PN Prasad 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2003 "Being a servant is not being a slave, but being a servant is living the dignity of the Master, dissolving into the Master." Are we really servants of Vaishnavas? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theist 1 Report post Posted July 3, 2003 Prabhu, what do you mean by "dissolving into the Master?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I_love_krishna_ 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2003 Sorry, I am not really good at figuring out the words of wisdom, but I think this is what it means. The two entities that you see as a master and a servant are really not entities, but the personalities in one entity. You see, there is a personality of the servant in you as well as the personality of the master. However, the personality of the master has come up only through the personality of the servant dissolving into the personality of the master. In other words, the servant's humility and also the knowledge will dissolve and become the master's true personality. It is important, because a master who is egotistical is not a master at all. Because, how can we have the ego when we are always servants. No spiritual master is really a master, but he/she is a servant of krishna. So , dissolving servant's mentality into the master's mentality (this is all in one living entity) creates a true servant of krishna. I think that's what it said... but i could be wrong. Please correct me /images/graemlins/grin.gif Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2003 if i dissolve, the master remains without servant!! (it seems like some mafia movie with people dissolved in acid!!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I_love_krishna_ 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2003 but they are seperate personalities in one being/soul. You first adopt the personality of the servant, then dissolve such a personality in to a master's personality, however, you do remain a servant because you have no ego. I think..... /images/graemlins/crazy.gif Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theist 1 Report post Posted July 3, 2003 I'm confused again. Is somebody reading Huston Smith? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I_love_krishna_ 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2003 forget what I said /images/graemlins/smile.gif I didn't mean to confuse you /images/graemlins/crazy.gif Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theist 1 Report post Posted July 3, 2003 No problem. Basically I'm used to it. It almost seems like a natural state. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PN Prasad 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2003 Living upto the dignity of the Master and Dissolving into the Master indicates that the disciple should follow the teachings of the Master perfectly. It can be taken in this spirit...."Dissolving into the teachings of the Master in such a way that our whole lifestyle (which includes character and social conduct) is based on the words of the spiritual master. It is to follow the words of the Master exactly and perfectly." With such sincere efforts I'm sure the love and devotion for God and Master can be awakened within our hearts. This is just a small thought. It might be incorrect too....and anyone can correct me incase it is wrong. I just wanted all of us to evaluate ourselves whether we are dissolving ourselves into the teachings of the Master. Self-examination and self-evaluation helps us progress on this path. Theist, I'm sorry if I confused you again. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theist 1 Report post Posted July 3, 2003 No, that's ok Prasad. Everyday I wake up confused and bewildered and then I spend the whole day trying to fight through it. I thought you might be saying that we must dissolve our sense of individuality into the guru. I see now you are saying something else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Govindaram 1 Report post Posted July 3, 2003 HK That is such a nice way to look at-following the teachings of a spiritual master....immerse ourselves in his vani /images/graemlins/smile.gif, very nice prabhuji......Haribol! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PN Prasad 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2003 The relationship between the Master and the disciple is very beautiful. The best that I think about the relationship can be summarized in this nice thought: "A student comes to a master, a teacher, a guru, with tears in his eyes, there is so much problems. And when he leaves he carries the same tears, but the quality of the tear is different; it’s of gratitude. Still tears flow, but they are of gratitude, of love." I'm waiting to feel and show this gratitude towards the great masters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 5, 2003 a vaishnava always remains an individual. he is a bhakta of abhagavan. so he is not bhagavan. similarly he is a disciple of a guru, he is not the guru. he may be a guru of others. a vaishanva knows the checks and balance system of guru-sadhu-shastras. a vaishnava is a very good follower of his guru, but he is not a blind follower. he retains the freedom to ask his guru if guru's words or actions or direction does not seem right or proper. a good guru never expects blind following. jai srikrishna! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
