Guruvani Posted June 29, 2003 Report Share Posted June 29, 2003 Actually, a rtvik representative is more powerful than a guru. An ISKCON guru of today accepts his own disciples and must take full responsibility and have full power to deliver them back to Godhead. In most cases they probably don't have that much power and ability. A ritvik representative of Srila Prabhupada or Srila Sridhar Maharaja has more power than an ISKCON type guru (including other gurus outside ISKCON functioning independently). They have been given more authority and power than a regular guru. They can accept someone on behalf of Srila Prabhupada or Srila Sridhar Maharaja. They have the power to connect you to them and help you become THEIR disciples. A regular guru who just comes forward to act as guru on his own volition and authority can only accept disciples on his own behalf. Since, such lower order gurus are not as powerful as the Uttama-adhikari paramahansas, their ability to deliver their disciples depends on when and if they ever attain perfection in svarupa-siddhi. When an acharya empowers a rtvik representative, he is in effect giving that rtvik more power and authority than his other disciples. He is giving his rtvik representatives full power of attorney on his behalf. This is the ultimate authority that an acharya can bestow upon a disciple. It surpasses the authority for them to be guru own their own. This idea that a rtvik is less than a guru is quite the mistaken notion. A rtvik is more powerful and authorized than any other disciple. Ritvik is the ultimate endorsement a spiritual master can give his disciple. When Sridhar Maharaja appointed Govinda Maharaja as his rtvik representative he gave him the ultimate power and authority that an acharya can give a disciple. To be rtvik is not something demeaning or belittling. It is the ultimate compliment and authority that the acharya can give a disciple. A disciple who gets rtvik authority on behalf of the acharya is the most favored disciple and is empowered beyond the other disciples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted June 29, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2003 A guru is like a light in the darkness, showing the direction we want to go to get back to Godhead. The real acharya is like a great lighthouse shining his powerful light to the lost mariners on the Ocean who cannot see in the fog of darkness. The imitation acharya is a like a red light bulb on the door of a brothel, showing the way to the house of ill-repute and illicit sects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted June 29, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2003 A disciple who takes over the institution of his guru and establishes himself as THE NEW ACHARYA is something like a pirate who steals the booty and the bounty for himself. Ahoy matey! Let me show you the way to Prabhupada! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gHari Posted June 29, 2003 Report Share Posted June 29, 2003 Even accepting the ritvik understanding, according to Srila Prabhupada there were eleven originals and more could be sanctioned by the GBC if necessary. No RITVIK gurus have been sanctioned by the GBC outside of ISKCON. How can they believe that they are authorized to create disciples. Is it not just ego? Are they not cheating the innocent who look for a link to Lord Caitanya and Lord Brahma? Where is the authorization from the parampara? Who says that Srila Prabhupada accepts these disciples? If they feel authorized to be guru, and if Krsna has ordered it, then they should start their own group if they cannot live within Prabhupada's ISKCON. Srila Prabhupada is still there as grand-master. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2003 Report Share Posted June 29, 2003 another theory dictated by maya that leads to the disintegration of the idea of spiritual master.... prabhupada wil be slowly a legend or a myth, but the ritvik initiator will have power and fame exactly like gurus but without the duty to be pure and honest.....: ritvik: "why i have to develope pure qualities? , is not me who's initiating!!!!!" so, if your party will prevail, let espect for us a very bad period for krsna consciousness.... more bad than IskCon 1980 supergurus and srila prabhupad is a complete guru, he can give complete devotion, and a complete devotee means that he can be another complete guru teaching with the example (or teaching the behaviour of a devotee).. or.. acharya in their way, ritviks are putting prabhupada in a lower position, not in the highest one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 PLEASE READ SOMETHING ON THE METER RITVIK AND THAN COME HERE...OK! /images/graemlins/frown.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guruvani Posted July 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 Please practice your English somewhere else. Trying to have a discussion with somebody that can't speak the language of this forum is too frustrating. You might be a bright mind in your own language, but you appear as retard trying to communicate in a language you can barely speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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