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the source of bondage in Advaita

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Let us bring up and discuss the topic of bondage within advaita.

 

If there is nothing other than the one nondual indivisible Brahman. Where is the question of jivas and illusion (bondage)? What is the root cause of bondage? Who perceives it? How did this perception come about?

 

Why would the completely nondual Brahman who is full of bliss and lacking nothing put itself within bondage (i.e. allow perception of avidya) in the form of jiva?

 

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Theist,

 

If you want to enjoy word jugglery, I can help you. Try the thread where the disciples attempted to defend Prabhupada's slander. I am sure, you will not be disappointed.

 

Cheers

 

 

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It is de ja vu, theist. I have answered all the above questions in the past and some of them, more than once. This time, someone else will have to take up the task.

 

Cheers

 

 

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If there is nothing other than the one nondual indivisible Brahman. Where is the question

of jivas and illusion (bondage)? What is the root cause of bondage? Who perceives it?

How did this perception

come about?

 

Why would the completely nondual Brahman

who is full of bliss and lacking nothing

put itself within bondage (i.e. allow perception of avidya) in the form of jiva?

 

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Let Shiva tread where angles dare!

 

This was a question that had troubled me

and one day i happened to come across

Sri Shankara's Viveka Chudamani.

 

Where Maya and Brahman [sat] Both exists

as we see Radha and Krishna or Shiva and

Shakti. This is a given and i am sure

not the question.

 

We must ask this question, however:

 

Is Maya, bondage?

 

Now, note, that as we have different

Paths to Truth, there is this subtle

feeling that our Truth is more True

that the other's truth.

 

Hence, the bondage. Bondage to the

concept of One truth for All or

several Truths for each.

 

Here is the separation. And, even in

the question of 'questions' we find

what you have asked: Who perceives?

 

Maya does.

 

Correct? smile.

 

Then, if Maya is the perceiver of that

which can not perceive then we ask

is Truth itself True or that which

perceives Truth, True?

 

Brahman is Truth because it is All. Thus,

by All standards it is true. As a Swamiji,

dear Indus, we may say, You are the vessel

of truth, but, this truth is not verified

until a devotee perceives this Truth in

you-the Devotee as jiva, is Maya.

 

Yet, to see we need a mirror. Thus we

then understand what we already know.

 

We may know we have a face, etc., but,

the mirror allows us to understand

it via the illusion of separation.

 

The root cause, by this reasoning, is so as

to Understand what we Know.

 

Knowing we can walk is nothing until we

take the steps. We fall and then we

continue to walk. Assuming we are

going somewhere, when, in truth, what

we need requires stationary methods-

but, until we walk, how will we know.

 

Look how this jiva speaks what the Swami

already knows. It is really quite lovely

this garden of life.

 

Bliss, as to the last question, is not

enough. We need more as humans, thus

we may note the creator. We need to

understand..this is the purpose, i believe,

of The Path-to understand all of the

aspects of Sat...the full glory, be it

Deva Krishna or Devi Kali.

 

We may ponder this urge to learn-in

all segments of all society-instinct

really is enough, but, we wanted to

expand and understand-the urge of

the Great One--a vast Parent to

observe the little ones develop into

segments of selfhood.

 

Why?

 

Past understanding, i know not. Possibly,

if you will stop ignoring me, you will

answer.

 

it was fun to try. And for all of the

cynics out there-some of us have to take

a swirl, too. Just consider yourselves the

pioneers.

 

much love!

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