Tarun 6 Report post Posted December 17, 2001 [APFN] DICK EASTMAN: OBL VIDEO TRANSLATORS CAUGHT IN DECEPTION -- LET ME POINT OUT WHERE. OSSAMA IS INNOCENT-- VICTIM OF A FRAME-UP AFTER ALL > "WHAT THE TRANSLATORS HAVE > DONE IS TAKEN A CONVERSATION OF BIN LADEN ON THE > SUBJECT OF WHAT HE WAS THINKING AND GUESSING AS > HE WATCHED THE NEWS ON SEPTEMBER 11 AS EVENTS WERE > UNFOLDING -- AND MAKING IT SEEM THAT HE WAS > DOING THIS THINKING AND GUESSING AT SOME EARLIER TIME > BEFORE THE EVENTS." > ========= > > All over the world people are shaking their heads in dismay that the U.S. Government would expect us to not see through this forced and twisted interpretation of this interview. > > Here is my analysis -- I am sure similar ones will soon be flooding every forum. > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > " The tape is transcribed below according to the proper sequence of events. > " > ======= > EASTMAN ANALYSIS: First note that the tape as found has been revised for translation. Before even the first word we see editing based on interpretation -- we see interpretive reporting rather than faithful translation of the subject matter as it was discovered. > ======== > "Due to the quality of the original tape, it is NOT a verbatim transcript of every word spoken during the meeting, but does convey the messages and information flow." > > ======= > EASTMAN ANALYSIS: Note that the translators have been selective and that they tell us that they did not understand/discriminate ever word spoken on the tape: > ====== > <><><><><><><><><><> > ALLEGED TRANSLATION TEXT: > > > Shaykh: (... inaudible...) You have given us weapons, you have given us hope and we thank Allah for you. We don't want to take much of your time, but this is the arrangement of the brothers. People now are supporting us more, even those ones who did not support us in the past, support us more now. I did not want to take that much of your time. We praise Allah, we praise Allah. We came from Kabul. We were very pleased to visit. May Allah bless you both at home and the camp. We asked the driver to take us, it was a night with a full moon, thanks be to Allah. Believe me it is not in the country side. The elderly... everybody praises what you did, the great action you did, which was first and foremost by the grace of Allah. This is the guidance of Allah and the blessed fruit of jihad. > =========== > EASTMAN ANALYSIS: I don't believe this. They soi-disant translators start in the middle of the tape instead of the begining of the recording and they begin with a passage in which someone is telling Osama bin Laden that "everyone praises what you did" -- no context -- leaving the average unguarded reader to presumtuously assume it is a reference events in New York CIty on September 11. > ============ > > UBL: Thanks to Allah. What is the stand of the Mosques there (in Saudi Arabia)? > > Shaykh: Honestly, they are very positive. Shaykh Al-Bahrani (phonetic) gave a good sermon in his class after the sunset prayers. It was videotaped and I was supposed to carry it with me, but unfortunately, I had to leave immediately. > UBL: The day of the events? > > Shaykh: At the exact time of the attack on America, precisely at the time. He (Bahrani) gave a very impressive sermon. Thanks be to Allah for his blessings. He (Bahrani) was the first one to write at war time. I visited him twice in Al-Qasim. > > ====== > EASTMAN ANALYSIS: > Notice OBL refers to the day of "the events" -- a passive expression -- not of "the victory" or "our victory" or even of "the deeds." This is consistent with remoteness from what happened. > > Notice also that Shaykh feels it necessary to specify "at the exact time of the attack on America" which he would not need to do if the context were understood or centrally concerned with the theme of the conversation. > ========== > > UBL: Thanks be to Allah. Shaykh: This is what I asked from Allah. He (Bahrani) told the youth: "You are asking for martyrdom and wonder where you should go (for martyrdom)?" Allah was inciting them to go. I asked Allah to grant me to witness the truth in front of the unjust ruler. We ask Allah to protect him and give him the martyrdom, after he issued the first fatwa. He was detained for interrogation, as you know. When he was called in and asked to sign, he told them, "don't waste my time, I have another fatwa. If you want me, I can sign both at the same time." > > UBL: Thanks be to Allah. > > Shaykh: His position is really very encouraging. When I paid him the first visit about a year and half ago, he asked me, "How is Shaykh Bin-Ladin?" He sends you his special regards. As far as Shaykh Sulayman 'Ulwan is concerned, he gave a beautiful fatwa, may Allah bless him. Miraculously, I heard it on the Quran radio station. It was strange because he (' Ulwan) sacrificed his position, which is equivalent to a director. It was transcribed word-by-word. The brothers listened to it in detail. I briefly heard it before the noon prayers. He (' Ulwan) said this was jihad and those people were not innocent people (World Trade Center and Pentagon victims). > He swore to Allah. This was transmitted to Shaykh Sulayman Al ((' Umar)) > Allah bless him. > =============== > > EASTMAN ANALYSIS: > First we see that there is indeed the assumption that Moslems were responsible for the September 911 crashbombings -- an assumption that OBL has already told us in to other video interviews that he first learned from American media sources. This conversation is consistent with that claim throughout. > > It is also clear that those in Saudi Arabia who are spoken of here naturally assumed that bin Laden was responsible for Sept 11 -- but so did Ariel Sharon and Laura Bush -- but that does not make them necessarily people who "know for sure" of complicity -- they merely assumed -- as did this man addressing students in Saudi Arabia. > > Also, here they are talking about bin Laden's general support in Saudi Arabia; they are talking about attitudes toward the concept of jihad and of martyrdom-- common subjects for revolutionaries -- obviously they are please to have people willing to follow and die in their cause -- but this is the same kind of talk we would expect anyway, with or without the events of September 11. And we already knew that OBL wants to overthrow the Saudi government and do violent things in support of his goals for Palestine -- but, again, nothing yet suggests they are merely assuming that it was someone with similar convictions who, without their knowledge, planned and executed the attack (as bin Laden claims in his other interviews). > =============== > > UBL: What about Shaykh Al-(( Rayan))? > > Shaykh: Honestly, I did not meet with him. My movements were truly limited. > > UBL: Allah bless you. You are welcome. > > Shaykh: (Describing the trip to the meeting) They smuggled us and then I thought that we would be in different caves inside the mountains so I was surprised at the guest house and that it is very clean and comfortable. > Thanks be to Allah, we also learned that this location is safe, by Allah's blessings. The place is clean and we are very comfortable. > > UBL: (... Inaudible...) when people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse. This is only one goal; those who want people to worship the lord of the people, without following that doctrine, will be following the doctrine of Muhammad, peace be upon him. > > (UBL quotes several short and incomplete Hadith verses, as follows): > > "I was ordered to fight the people until they say there is no god but Allah, and his prophet Muhammad." > > "Some people may ask: why do you want to fight us?" > > "There is an association between those who say: I believe in one god and Muhammad is his prophet, and those who don't (... inaudible...) > > "Those who do not follow the true fiqh. The fiqh of Muhammad, the real fiqh. > They are just accepting what is being said at face value." > > ===== > EASTMAN ANALYSIS: > Note the translators are interpreting here, and they omit translating the word "faith" using the Arabic "fiqh" which in appearance resembles the English word "fight" -- an obvious effort to alienate the reader -- these are not honest translators. > ====== > > UBL: Those youth who conducted the operations did not accept any fiqh in the popular terms, but they accepted the fiqh that the prophet Muhammad brought. > Those young men (... inaudible...) said in deeds, in New York and Washington, speeches that overshadowed all other speeches made everywhere else in the world. The speeches are understood by both Arabs and non-Arabs even by Chinese. It is above all the media said. Some of them said that in Holland, at one of the centers, the number of people who accepted Islam during the days that followed the operations were more than the people who accepted Islam in the last eleven years. I heard someone on Islamic radio who owns a school in America say: "We don't have time to keep up with the demands of those who are asking about Islamic books to learn about Islam." This event > > ========= > EASTMAN ANALYSIS: > > Here OBL refers to "the young men" -- again based on the identifications that were in the media as likely as not. He talks about the effect of the destruction of the towers on the minds of people with respect to their support of Islam and presumably of its oppostion to Israeli policy and globalization and cultural deterioration from westernization -- all of these are remarks we would expect if OBL were innocent of the plotting as much as if he were guilty. > ============== > > Shaykh: Hundreds of people used to doubt you and few only would follow you until this huge event happened. Now hundreds of people are coming out to join you. I remember a vision by Shaykh Salih Al-(( Shuaybi)). He said: "There will be a great hit and people will go out by hundreds to Afghanistan." I asked him (Salih): "To Afghanistan?" He replied, "Yes." > According to him, the only ones who stay behind will be the mentally impotent and the liars (hypocrites). I remembered his saying that hundreds of people will go out to Afghanistan. He had this vision a year ago. This event discriminated between the different types of followers. > ========= > EASTMAN ANALSIS: > Here is a man who knows nothing of the details, talking about how the events of September 11 will energize their cause -- yes, certainly they are aware that those so energized assume that the crashbombing was the work of their hidden ero -- but this assumption is not of OBLs doing -- it is just an assumption that almost everyone was then making around the world, Saudi, American, Afgan, Jew and Eskimo. > > NOW GET READY FOR THE BIG ONE: > =============== > > UBL: (... Inaudible...) we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. (... Inaudible...) due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for. > > Shaykh: Allah be praised. > > ==== > EASTMAN ANALYSIS: > > This is an amazing piece of deceit on the part of the translators. > > First their is a giant jump of context -- an entirely different topic and tone -- and only the word "inaudible" is given to bridge the gap. > > But we know from above that the conversation had been about the > effects of the television reports. WHAT THE TRANSLATORS HAVE > DONE IS TAKEN A CONVERSATION OF BIN LADEN ON THE > SUBJECT OF WHAT HE WAS THINKING AND GUESSING AS > HE WATCHED THE NEWS ON SEPTEMBER 11 AS EVENTS WERE > UNFOLDING -- AND MAKING IT SEEM THAT HE WAS > DOING THIS THINKING AND GUESSING AT SOME EARLIER TIME > BEFORE THE EVENTS. > > THIS IS THE WHOLE OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATIONS PROOF? > ======== > > UBL: We were at (... inaudible...) when the event took place. We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day. We had finished our work that day and had the radio on. It was 5:30 p. m. our time. I was sitting with Dr. Ahmad Abu-al-(( Khair)). > Immediately, we heard the news that a plane had hit the World Trade Center. We turned the radio station to the news from Washington. The news continued and no mention of the attack until the end. At the end of the newscast, they reported that a plane just hit the World Trade Center. > > ====== > EASTMAN ANALYSIS: > > Here again there is resort to the fudge word "inaudible" -- again we find OBL discussing "the event" -- possibly just as well translated "it," I suspect -- without context -- the context all hidden in that fudge-box "inaudible." > > Yet even this passage as mangled still reveals consistency with bin Laden's claim of innocense. This clearly indicates that bin Laden was NOT listening to the radio before he heard the news of the attack from regular sources. The whole government base is shot to pieces by this one statement. Bin Laden wanted news and he was frustrated that the news program was not telling him of the event -- he was not prepared to get information on the event. > > In short he had nothing to do with it. Q.E.D. and finis > ==================== > > Shaykh: Allah be praised. > > UBL: After a little while, they announced that another plane had hit the World Trade Center. The brothers who heard the news were overjoyed by it. > > Shaykh: I listened to the news and I was sitting. We didn't... we were not thinking about anything, and all of a sudden, Allah willing, we were talking about how come we didn't have anything, and all of a sudden the news came and everyone was overjoyed and everyone until the next day, in the morning, was talking about what was happening and we stayed until four o'clock, listening to the news every time a little bit different, everyone was very joyous and saying "Allah is great,Allah is great,We are thankful to Allah,Praise Allah." And I was happy for the happiness of my brothers. > ========= > EASTMAN ANALYSIS: > > Here OBL is merely commenting on the joy that the news on the radio elicited -- yes it is callous to show joy over the misery, but it is not crime -- it is nothing that resentful and fgrustrated people do when they hear of their enemies misfortune -- but that is a far cry from commiting the act -- at least in the eyes of the law and of justice. > ================= > > That day the congratulations were coming on the phone non-stop. The mother was receiving phone calls continuously. Thank Allah. Allah is great, praise be to Allah. > > ====== > EASTMAN'S ANALYSIS: One wonders about the real word translated "congratulations" -- it may merely mean shared joy -- but even if people were calling in congratulations, it is of course natural that they would assume that bin Laden was responsible -- certainly the thought of a frame-up would not occur to any of these people, not even bin Laden. > ============== > > (Quoting the verse from the Quran) > > Shaykh: "Fight them, Allah will torture them, with your hands, he will torture them. He will deceive them and he will give you victory. Allah will forgive the believers, he is knowledgeable about everything." Shaykh: No doubt it is a clear victory. Allah has bestowed on us... honor on us... and he will give us blessing and more victory during this holy month of Ramadan. And this is what everyone is hoping for. Thank Allah America came out of its caves. We hit her the first hit and the next one will hit her with the hands of the believers, the good believers, the strong believers. By Allah it is a great work. Allah prepares for you a great reward for this work. I'm sorry to speak in your presence, but it is just thoughts, just thoughts. By Allah, who there is no god but him. I live in happiness, happiness... I have not experienced, or felt, in a long time. I remember, the words of Al-Rabbani, he said they made a coalition against us in the winter with the infidels like the Turks, and others, and some other Arabs. And they surrounded us like the days... in the days of the prophet Muhammad. Exactly like what's happening right now. But he comforted his followers and said, "This is going to turn and hit them back." And it is a mercy for us. And a blessing to us. And it will bring people back. Look how wise he was. And Allah will give him blessing. And the day will come when the symbols of Islam will rise up and it will be similar to the early days of Al-Mujahedeen and Al-Ansar (similar to the early years of Islam). And victory to those who follow Allah. Finally said, if it is the same, like the old days, such as Abu Bakr and Othman and Ali and others. In these days, in our times, that it will be the greatest jihad in the history of Islam and the resistance of the wicked people. > > Shaykh: By Allah my Shaykh. We congratulate you for the great work. Thank > Allah. > > Tape ends here > ============== > EASTMAN's ANALYSIS: > > The joy of men who hate at the disaster of others. The feeling of vindication when those who offend your faith come to ruin -- but no evidence of cooperation in this tragedy. > > SUMMARY: > > THE GOVERNMENT HAS FAILED TO SHOW REASON FOR SUSPECTING > BIN LADEN -- BUT THEY HAVE EXPOSED THEMSELVES AS WILLING > TO ENGAGE IN DECEIT TO YIELD A DESIRED INTERPRETATION. 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mahak 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2001 i say it was a piece of absurd and orwellian brainwashing against the amerikan people, not by ben laden, but by our administration. shameless. When all the fuss about releasing this was being made prior to actual release, I was thinking (as a govt man), they cannot do this if it is legitimate, for if he was the enemy he is stated to being, then the message he deliveres by code and gestures thru the video would heavily weigh against our "legitimate" military interests. When it was released, I gave up, and am now convinced that a big deception of biblical proportions is taking place. How many sixes do we need to see that the goal is really to absorb personal freedoms and exercize total control. Next up? The amerikan taliban will be made into a big world terrorist, a fully capable mastermind of discord, when he is actually just a poor ignorant rich white boy from Marin County who got the whole message of Malcolm X messed up in his crackerjack drunken binge. mad mahax Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gHari 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2001 How can anyone use the word 'innocent' in the same sentence as Bingo. Whether he did this or not - this whole life of his in creating the suicide psycho cult is insane. Were he and his followers in America they would be on thorazine in a mental hospital; for the rest of their unnatural lives. Thousands and thousands of psychotics training to cleanse Jews and Hindus? They make Mohammad look like the biggest demon since Hyranikashipu. [This message has been edited by gHari (edited 12-17-2001).] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gHari 0 Report post Posted December 17, 2001 The writer of that article is also a cheater in at least one place. He has omitted the words "Be patient", which imply that Bingo knew that more murders were about to happen. He clearly admits knowing about the attack beforehand, making him an accessory before the fact, whether or not he actually planned the disaster. I have no problem with him being dead. I have no problem with anyone being dead who is planning and training and plotting to kill innocents. They're all just a waste of flesh anyway. I will take great pleasure in the deaths of those plotting to cleanse India of Hindus. They're all destined to become asexual microbes where they will find unlimited virgins to enjoy. Praise be to Allah. [This message has been edited by gHari (edited 12-17-2001).] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted December 18, 2001 gHariji: According to our magnanimous FBI, 15 of 19 hijackers were Saudis. So why we're not bombing Saudi Arabia? ex-Presidents Bush & Carter stayed at Bin Laden Family's Saudi Arabian home last year. This Afghan War was planned years ago as was Pentagon & WTC attack. To condemn Bin Laden's as the Big Cheese/Main Demon/Scapegoat is like condemning Noriega as the biggest cocaine importer 11 yrs ago. He was taking orders from... His guiltier boss walked/walks free while Manuel sits in jail. CIA - Cocaine Importers of Amerika. Tonight on Politically Incorrect, Jeff Bridges, Ted Danson, Bill Maher, Michael Moore (filmmaker?) pointed out how Amerika must be weaned off imported oil by setting a timely focussed goal/plan, say 10 yrs, to solve our overseas petroleum dependency once & for all. Dropping bombs on Afghanistan can only bring future devastation. My maternal grandfather was a mason. Bush & his masonic friends think they have it all figured out. What a joke. What a shame. They forgot one thing. karmanA daiva-netreNa... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gHari 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2001 Tarunji, then who is pulling the strings of the jihad terrorists in India and Israel and all over the world? Is that also the CIA/Presidents/Jews. It all seems just a little too complicated for me. Who is getting rich on all this cocaine? It all sounds too much to me like white supremacy, KKK, bomb the clinics what's-his-name psycho Krishna boy skiing in the mountains. Who staged Pearl Harbour, Nazis, Kashmir, a thousand years of India torment, the Mongols? I would suggest that if your theories are correct it would be wise to keep it quiet before such criminals decide to eradicate you. If you are wrong, then you do a great disservice to Lord Caitanya by being just another crazy cult nut. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul108 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2001 Maybe I'm a cult nut too, because I still can't shake the feeling that even if bin Laden's people did it, the whole road was purposefully paved by some excessively affluent Americans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mahak 0 Report post Posted December 18, 2001 Haribol, tarun and gHari. I find it unfathomable that WTC may have been an "inside job". I also have a strong agreement on the need to eliminate such idealogues and demagogues as binLadin from the face of the earth. That said, I still have reason for not surrendering to those who are fashionably opposed to my enemies and granting them any credibility whatsoever. The story about Noriega is sad but true. The CIA exploitation of the black community of Southcentral LA is beyond true, and has become quite believable. In 1980, if I wanted to purchace a glock or a mac10, it would set me back about $500. Yet they were sold as cookies to 14 year old kids on the big cat corner of Jefferson and Figueroa back then for $50. If I wanted one ounce of pure rock cocaine, my hippie friends would oblige for about $18,000, yet literally tons of the stuff was literally given to Crips and Crips (Hoovahs and Sissies) free to turn into cr5ack, which causes chemical addiction upon the first hit (while the rockin hipsters of Malibu could walk away from their tootskis with only a few days sleep). Uneducated gangbangers dont make high-end military weaponry, not are they chemists. This was dumped on an area that was in a state of economic terrorism since Watts of '65. The white kids went to the gangbangers for their high back then because the war on drugs focussed on the pot growers of Northern California, large packages of very scented materials is so easy to bust. Meanwhile, suitcase after suitcase of killer chem was allowed into LA to feed the coffers of the anti-sandinista fascists and their butchery in Nicaragua, El Salvidore, Guatamala, etc. Yeah, the white supremists jump on these facts to support their fanatical anti-amerikanism, and also jump on the oil war of desert storm. But tell me this. Was Sadaam punished? Was his terrorism exporting enterprize deterred? Hell, we killed no soldier from his republican guard, we killed only 50 year old conscripted soldiers, leveled one of the most modern and non-fanatic Islamic nations, we actually just helped Sadaam to kill his own people. Now we get the sad news that the cave creep has escaped. I dont buy it for a minute. He has to be kept "on-the-run" to placate the amerikans who naturally have no taste for war otherwise. A valid point is made by tarun, if we declare war on those who support terrorism, why are not there 5,000# bombs falling of Riyadh or Cairo as we speak. I agree that international terrorism is far reaching, and that all will be caught up in it. Muslims will use the chaos of 9-11 to attack their eternal enemies, the Hindus. The Phillippeans and Indonesia will have devastating civil war between christians and muslims, all hell will break loose everywhere. But my contention is that the actions of the US and its criminal leaders, who are accustomed to taking all and leaving none for their honest but easily controlled (brainwashed)subjects, these actions ar4e not now nor have ever been a solution, rather an exercize of throwing gasoline on the fire. Im not in favor of giving a platform to Osama to speak of his motivations for WTC, unless he stands on the platform blindfolded and his audience is hartless black ops assassins locked and loaded for applause. We know he is pissed off about americas merciless murder of 250,000 Iraqis and leaving the proclaimed Hitler in power as a hedge against the ayatollahs of Iran. So are many americans, but we dont destroy occupied buildings in our righteous indignation. We voted Noriegas drug cartel partner out of office in favor of a known pervert. But our vote does not count anymore, not because of missing chads, but because of the fact that the most useless of personalities are paraded in front of us so we can decide which fool will create a hell-on-earth for us. As far as nazis and other old stuff, there is plenty of conspiracy to go around there as well. We know that the prez knew about Pearl Harbor prior to the strike. We became friends and allies with the leader Stalin who was the most vicious person of the twentieth century. We love the Shah and his goonsquad, DeVallier and his SS was financed to keep the haitian thing quiet. There is also strong evidence that we helped Pol Pot create the Cambodian Killing Fields, because he was an enemy of our enemy, Uncle Ho. No, the conspiracy freaks are not my cup-o-tea, but, if they happen to be right on many issues, I cant reject facts just because fanatics also believe. I feel bad, I work for the military, and they are basically righteous folks, but black ops are outside of their control as well, and also outside constitutional mandate. Ive seen both kind. My son just decided to become navy officer and sign on for 10 years, and I congratulate his decision, but If he were to get a commanding officer like the criminal who acts like he commands the base I work for, my son is ill served in such a decision. And ya know what? every unscrupulous XO, CO, Big-wig Civilian Executive, etc that make this base evil personified for the 15 years Ive been here have one blatant thing in common. They are all f---in' ringknockers, 33rd degree freemasons, and they worship Raksasas who reside under the pyramids, and are the most dangerous cultists on the face of the earth, and they pull all these strings for their own nefarious reasons, all of which are green. The symbol of this place is a f---in' pitchfork, forchrissake. mad mahax (and gettin madder, so I stop now). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gHari 0 Report post Posted December 19, 2001 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=1418897549 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted December 29, 2001 Mahakji: Inside job, outside job. We know there were additional bombs placed in WTC which exploded long after both planes were wedged in 92nd floor & ?? floor. We know the whole operation was controlled from Venice, Florida by J-ckson St-vens. We have eyewitnesses including Florida Police who saw Fed C130 plane land in Venice airport, motorcade into Venice police precincts, remove all files on Mohmmd Ata, return to plane, at which time Jeb Prabhu was easily visible to all standing on airfield. JebdAs was overlooking his very own nectarean scheme. Much a slip betwixt the cup & the lip. JebdAs flew all documents (2 Ryder Trucks full) to Wash DC where NSA proceeds to destroy or hide them. I'm not clear whether JebdAs' 2 Ryder Trucks were carried in plane or simply unloaded files at Venice airbase? Ask Bhukta Jeb. Anyone know how large a C130 plane is? = = = = = = = = = Maxwell flight school, Alabama; Bro___flight school, Texas We both/all know you & I could never get into these flight schools, no matter how hard we tried. Somehow these foreign students did. By whose arrangement? Why their peculiar learning requests & deviations were not taken seriously after FBI was informed? After 27 yrs of CIA service, 1963-90, Sadam was set up as, in NSA's own choice words a 'boogyman'. Now it's Usama's turn. On 12Sep2001, one CIA agent Beerden (check spelling) told Dan Rather: "If we didn't have an Usama we'd invent one." By the way, in Arabic there's actually no vowels e or o. As in SanskRt, a, i, u are transformed to achieve e & o sound. If you want more details, before they bump him off, connect with Ralph Shoenman?, who has enough irrefutable detailed documented info to put Bushwick, Chainygang + everyone else involved behind bars for thousands if not millions of years, according to present Federal laws. They're all treasonous b-stards. It's hard to believe Amerikans would set up ther own people to be killed. That's easy enough. These are not Amerikans. asurya-varya. I lived in Houston. I can testify to it. Before arranging for JFK's assassination, Dulles called out: "Remember the Maine!" SP explained this political principle: when they cannot or refuse to alleviate domestic problems, they create some distraction. Maine was sunk in Havana Bay 1898, by US which immediately blamed Spain, our/their excuse to mobilize US citizens to fight to gain control of Cuba. Their only concern is their own wealth increment & popularity. Mao Tse Tung's wife used to laugh: "These foolish paupers think of sex as pleasure; What FOOLS! They don't know the pleasure of Absolute POWER! There's so much extremely obvious 'inside job' evidence. If you recall, early 11Sep2001, only 6 rescue teams were on hand. Dan Rather interviewed FEMA's Tom Kennedy who said: "Yes, we're one of the first on hand. Actually we arrived ready to help yesterday (10Sep)." The "Serpico" story reinforces/gives further creedence to all this. Fellow friendly officers warned Serpico: "They won't have to shoot you; instead they'll set you up to be shot by others. They won't offer you back up when you need it most." Precisely what occurred 9/11. For more details email: veritas9@pacbell.net ps - 'Smoking Gun Video may be as much as 4 yrs old. Bin Laden's child's marriage to famous man's child is being discussed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted June 4, 2002 As Michael Moore pointed out in his new book "Stupid White Men": Giaccomo Jackasses would have us believe kidney-crippled Bin Laden is running from cave, though dependent on at least weekly treatments. IOW, there's a kidney dialysis machine set up in every 5th cave. And we're supposed to believe our gov't & media. Whatta crock of.. They just want that ever-increasing paycheck. The more they lie, the more they get paid. Pinocchio Principle. Bin Laden's next Video coming soon to an Outlet near you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
