Guest guest Report post Posted June 1, 2001 Dear Jndas; actually you seem to be very ingenious in politic affairs. One hand beats and the other caress. This is institutional's politic everywhere. Your Prabhupada is their chicken of golden eggs, they don't want to kill it. Donations are given to mathavasis and not to laymen. So, laymen can say things that mathavasis cannot. But they are following the same line. Sri Caitanya's divinity is the main pillar of Gaudiya-sampradaya. Tattva-vadis do not accept it not even in dreams, all the other considerations in the commentary made by the laymen weren't refuted by the mathavasis. 1. They are stating that we are going face hell due our worship of a man, as Sri Caitanya is to be considered as an ordinary jiva. We have no sastric evidence on His avatara. 2. None of Sri Caitanya's teachings are accepted by them, such as jiva-tattva, Sri Radha-tattva, rasa-tattva and so on. Tattvadis jiva-tattva states that are different categories of jivas, only brahmanas attain Visnu, not all people like us. According their viewpoint Laksmi is an ordinary jiva, and gopis are to be considered as apsaras from Svarga and they strongly reject the divine character of Sri Radha. Therefore, all of Sri Caitanya's teaching regarding bhavas between Sri Krsna and gopis are rejected by them as something worst than mayavada. Tattvavadis don't accept rasa-tattva, or any sort of dealings between Sri Hari and jivas, and their aim is mukti, not the prema attained by seva. 3. There are substantial differences between acintya-bheda-abheda and dvaita-vada that are very difficult to conciliate. Tattva-vadis will never accept the conception of Sri Guru being simultaneously equal and different from Sri Hari, for example. In the other thread you argued that we should at first learn tattva-vada and thereafter discuss. But we are not discussing tattva-vada, we are discussing some tattva taught by Sri Caitanya that for certain you disdain. Your only tattva seems to be 4 principles + 16 rounds = back to Goshead in this lifetime. Sri Caitanyadeva has never taught such a thing!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shvu 1 Report post Posted June 1, 2001 Donations are given to mathavasis and not to laymen. So, laymen can say things that mathavasis cannot. But they are following the same line. Quite possible. However, instead of speculating let us wait to see what the actual situation is. Hopefully things will become clear in a few days. The interesting part is that the subject of the letter of the Pejavara Swamiji is the paper issued by PPVP, but this paper hardly talks about Prabhupada. The subject of the letter and it's content do not tally. Anyway, it is waiting time. Cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jahnava Nitai Das 2 Report post Posted June 1, 2001 Satyaraja, you seemed to have missed my questions. Have you ever met any of these acharyas? You have a bad habit of talking without any first hand experience. You are willing to criticize these people, despite you never having met them, never having spoken to them, and never knowing a thing about them. I have met these people. They are sadhus, they are Vaishnavas. Simply because you disagree with their philosophy you like to denigrate them. Is this something your guru taught you, or did you learn this yourself? How many tattva-vadi acharya's have you met over there in Brazil? What is it that makes you criticize people you never met or can't even name? You are making blind accusations, and it would suit you well to acknowledge this. How is it that you like to criticize a philosophy you have never read or studied? Why should anyone take your statements against tattva-vada seriously if you never studied their teachings? I know what your answer will be, another long post about prema bhakti that has no connection with any of these questions. Just copy and past from your guru-deva's books and B.V. Tirtha Swamiji. Thats the new age internet scholar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
