Characteristics of succesful societies

maadhav · September 17, 2005

This para is from a book COLLapse by Jared Diamond.

".. Complex (i think he means successful long living) societies are characterized by(

centralized decision making,

higher information flow,

great coordination of parts,

formal channel of command, and

pooling of respurces."

Let us look this in relation to the vedic society.

centralized decision making:

we had kings, but with a rajguru and an advisor assembly representing the citizens. thus it was not a dictatorship.

rajgurus had no worldy interests and avised to keep all on the path of dharma.

higher information flow:

king had his eyes and ears everywhere.

info spread with word of mouth.

now it spreads by hifh tech means in seconds.

great coordination of parts:

we need this now - unity and coordination within the Hindus.

formal channel of command:

hindu need a global hindu authority org.

pooling of respurces:

we need that too now.

note that even a small number of ant-hindus in bharat

also can succeed against us by folloing this process.

so, we have no choice but to strongly unite and act.

September 18, 2005

centralized decision making:

although we need a central decision maker, i think alot of social decicions sould be left to the regional leaders. states or even certain districts should have the freedom to make certain laws, even if the central goverment wants it differently. becuase that is not representative of the great population. it onyl represents those that back the central government. then the government can influence all the rest around to conform to their ways, which is unfair to those that feel differnetly on an issue.

great coordination of parts:

We need unity not just among the hindus, but also the muslims, christians and the rest. we need unity as INDIANS, above all else. By now, the muslims are entitled to india just as much as we hindus are. most mulsims are decendents of INDIANS that converted. they are stillsons of the soil. dont use pent up anger at the muslims to unfairly kick them off their own country.

If we can unite as Indians to make india better for everyone and prospoer together, only then will the fruits of karma come upon us.

formal channel of command:

Hinduism should NOT have a formal authority like the vatican and the pope. By doing that, it makes the religion more beuracratic or institutional. hinduism reflect the truth of life and nature, society and existance. One cannot have a formal authroity with chain of command in terms of understanding this or reaching this knowledge. A heirarchy would mean that people start ranking others but these rankings, if based on this divine knowledge, change constantly. perhaps the one on top remians on top for a while, but the ones in the middle change all the time. people learn more and act more sattvic sometimes while others act more tamasic and become more ignorant.

we cant categorize it into one perfect label. thats why the rishis have never done this in the past, having a pan-hindu authority. then what will we do with this authority? people will more often than not, defer to this person of religious authority and just listen to what they say. life is subjective and understanding brahman is subjective. each person should explore it for himself.

maadhav · September 18, 2005

great coordination of parts:

<< We need unity not just among the hindus, but also the muslims, christians and the rest. >>

agree, if the bible and koran says that hinduism is not

a false religion that must be wiped out of the world.

so far their efforts ar to wipe out hinduism.

do you like it?

<< we need unity as INDIANS, above all else. >>

above all we need to know dharma as it is in gita and practice it well, and know who ivaded ideologies are killers of the vedic culture.

<< By now, the muslims are entitled to india just as much as we hindus are. >>

india is vedic land, not the land of culture killler invaded ideologeis. understanding this, all need to give up that ideolgies.

<< most mulsims are decendents of INDIANS that converted. >>

yes, and so they need to give up and ideology that was enforced upon their ancestors.

<< they are stillsons of the soil. >>

so, then need to live per the local culture of the soil.

or, at least not live per a culture that is anti-vedic.

how you would like to live with a mad barbarian in your home?

<< dont use pent up anger at the muslims to unfairly kick them off their own country. >>

i am talking about the anti-vedic aggresive invaded ideology. it cannot gain acceptance in invaded land if the people really understand what is invaded. forgetting the past is dangerous for any civil society. your above line tells the barbarians that they could invade, convert, and hang in there till some like you think now that ideology has legal/god-given right to live here (and kill the local vedic culture.)