Are Hindus are too tolerent?

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from: http://www.atributetohinduism.com/Glimpses_XII.htm

 

Is UPA Government anti-Hindu?

A Muslim President, A Catholic Super PM and a Sikh PM

 

At a time, when the term secular in India seems largely to be equated with Hindu-baiting, much disquiet is being generated by some events that appear in the nature of an assault on the Sanatan Dharma. Whether by design or coincidence, after the ascent to power of the Congress-led UPA Government at the Centre, and the party in states like Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka, there has been an increase in Christian missionary activities in the south.

 

Synchronous with this development is the offensive against the Kanchi peeth and its custodians, the senior and junior Shankaracharyas and their aides. These events, along with the revival of the Ayodhya demolition case against BJP President L K Advani and the UC Banerjee report on the Godhra disaster, fosters the impression that the present regime is anti-Hindu.

 

If its predecessor was seen by many to be selectively pursuing a communal agenda for political ends, the UPA Government has recoursed to the old game of majority bashing. Much to the dismay of their detractors, Hindus still comprise 80.5 per cent of the population, as per the 2001 census. Their numbers then totaled 827.5 million. Muslims, at 138.2 million, comprised 13.4 per cent, the second largest group but minuscule when compared to the majority community. The 24 million Christians were placed third, at 2.3 per cent. Sikhs, at 1.9 per cent, numbered 19 million. In view of this data, the civilisational ethos of the country remains overwhelmingly Hindu, despite most of the northeast and many tribals becoming Christian.

 

Yet, there is good reason to believe that there is no one at the helm to take care of the interests of Hindus, or feel their pain when their beliefs or gurus are assailed. The two top positions in the Indian state - those of President and Prime Minister - are currently occupied by non-Hindus.

 

The UPA chairperson's religious affiliation remains ambiguous, since Ms Sonia Gandhi was born a Roman Catholic and presumably nurtures sentiments for her natal faith. Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister YS Rajasekhara Reddy being Christian, he could not have been expected to rush to the Shankaracharya, Sri Jayendra Saraswati's aid when the Tamil Nadu police arrested him in his state.

 

(From Filipe Neri Rodrigues in Goa to Stephan Marandi in Jharkhand -loyally assisted in the holy crusade against the satanic BJP by Margaret Alva, Ajit Jogi, Oscar Fernandes, Rajashekhar Reddy, Ahmed Patel, Jamir and Razi - Sonia was all set to turn the hand into a clenched fist, to muzzle democracy and attain absolute authority.

 

(source: Holy Roman Empire in Delhi - indiacause.com - newsletter). Refer to Of Course She Needs the Left to Christianize India and Coercive Religious Conversion: A Crime against Humanity - By Dr. Babu Suseelan).

 

Sonia Gandhi (the Congress President), attending Ramakrishna Mission function, propounded that "India remained secular because Hinduism, both as a religion and a way of life, respected other religions and people. Truth is one, the wise pursue it variously."

 

If truth is one, what is the justification for conversion? Does not conversion by external means constitute violence? Surely Ms. Sonia Gandhi realizes that people need freedom to pursue the truth variously; that attempts at conversion deny this basic freedom; and proselytization, however subtle or coarse (as in the Dangs), is ultimately an assault on the integrity and dignity of other faiths."

 

(source: Conversion to Christianity: Aggression in India - By Dr. M S Srinivasan p. 96).

 

The Centre's Communist allies have made a career out of zealously guarding minority interests, however recondite, while its Bihari socialist component, the RJD, survives on Muslim-OBC support. They both thrive on populism, that challenges the status quo. The disturbing conclusion is that the ruling coalition's policies are subversive in the context of the dominant ethos.

 

Two events, in particular, fuel suspicion of a hidden design to alter India's religious and cultural identity. The first is the rapid descent of Christian missionaries in tsunami-hit areas in the south, and their shameful attempts to trade charity for conversions among the victims of the natural disaster. A January 24 report of Rediff on the Net is edifying. The writer, at the site of temporary shelters, built for tsunami victims in Pattancherry village in Nagapattinam, witnessed "a minor scuffle in a corner" between some inmates and a Christian priest and two nuns. The former were resisting the missionaries' attempts to convert them. Eventually, the three were forced to leave the place.

 

Elsewhere, said the reporter, the locals complained to the police that a missionary group had taken away their belongings and the relief they had got from NGOs and the Government, which they had kept inside the temple. There was immense anger over the effort to capitalise on their misfortune. At Karakkalmedu village in Karaikkal, for instance, the fact that they had survived the disaster had led to a resurgence of faith in local Hindus. Their faith in their goddess was stronger than before.

 

The second such episode concerns the American evangelist Benny Hinn's healing mission in Bangalore, that saw Chief Minister Dharam Singh gracing the event with his presence. Either the Chief Minister was in need of the preacher's intercession himself, or had been instructed to attend the jamboree. There could be no other reason for Karnataka's political supremo to take time out of his busy schedule to give his seal of approval to an exercise, aimed against Hindu idolatry. Why the evangelist was allowed the freedom to launch such an attack begs an answer. It was left to the media to highlight his excesses and force his hasty exit from the country.

 

As its indifference, if not hostility, to the majority community's feelings becomes evident, the Congress and its allies may soon have to brave Hindu anger.

 

(source: Is UPA Government anti-Hindu? by Anuradha Dutt - dailypioneer.com - January 26 2005).

 

We need a Nationalist Front – says Subramanian Swamy

 

Swamy calls for nationalist front against Congress. The Janata Party President, Subramanian Swamy, on Thursday called for the formation of a nationalist front, which would include political parties and organisations such as the RSS and the VHP, to oppose and defeat the Congress. Dr. Swamy, a former Union Minister, said here that the fundamental danger today is "to the Hindus in the Indian nation."

 

"There is a need to trounce the Congress and its allies. For this I am trying to assist in the formation of a nationalist front which will include the RSS and the VHP," he told presspersons.

 

(source: We need a Nationalist Front – says Subramanian Swamy - hindu.com).

 

Refer to VINDICATED BY TIME: The Niyogi Committee Report On Christian Missionary Activities - Christianity Missionary Activities Enquiry Committee 1956 and The Sunshine of Secularism.

 

I think it's great that Hindus are so tolerent, but it seems to be at there own detriment. It's important to remember non-hindus don't have your best interest at mind. No western country has had a non-christian president, no matter how secular they are. It's well known that India has imbraced secularism to the core. What do you think that means for Hindustan's future? Also is Hindutva a potential solution?

 

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Definition of Hindutva: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindutva

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we are suffering of our past mistake of

not understanding gita as it is,

and not following hinduism as it is given in gita.

 

- make hindus and hindu gurus and leaders to agree that we have serious problem in bharat from the ant-hindus.

 

- request all hindu gurus to unite to solve this problem.

 

- make efforts to stop any malpractice of hinduism if it is malpracticed any where.

 

- spread the message of gita among the hindus. gita unites all the vedic people religiously.

 

- may all the hindu volunteer lawyers unite and work under a hindu body of gurus to prepare a draft constitution that is pro-hindu and free from anti-hindu paragraphs.

 

- educate all hindus how to make democracy work for them. currently the nimority anti-hindu are making democracy work for them, not for us.

 

- kill corruption. make nervous for all to give or take bribes. one proven ways is by e-government.

 

- make people praise and love krishna, not gandhi.

 

- rememer that ahimsa is not an absolute principle in hinduism per krishna's word in gita. no hindu should follow any fascist.

 

- etc.

 

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we are suffering of our past mistake of not understanding gita as it is, and not following hinduism as it is given in gita.

 

Hmm ... Agreed.

 

make hindus and hindu gurus and leaders to agree that we have serious problem in bharat from the ant-hindus.

 

request all hindu gurus to unite to solve this problem.

 

Gurus will not unite, matter a fact, the so-called gurus are one of the main reasons why India are in such situation. One guru says this, another says that, and another says another thing. Devotees are confused on what to believe. No one can bring them together long enough to agree that we have problem (and they are part of it), much less asking THEM to solve it.

 

Remember, gurus are not enlightened beings, they are just like you also, except they have studied the Vedas and have understanding of it. But no one says that their understanding is correct one.

 

My suggestion - Leave the issues of Religion to hands of Brahmins. Strenght them and support them. Put them in the same pedestial they were when Colonials came. Have them study the Vedas and the Gita and push the needs for educating the youngsters today about God and religion.

 

A council of Brahmins and gurus should be created, like the Council of the 12 Wise Men (Jewish traditions) who discuss the laws and edict according to Jewish traditions and religions.

 

may all the hindu volunteer lawyers unite and work under a hindu body of gurus to prepare a draft constitution that is pro-hindu and free from anti-hindu paragraphs.

 

This can only be done according to guidance of Council of wise Brahmins and gurus (above suggestions). This will prevent further corruptions by hands of any single individuals or a caste, since the Councils (consists of Brahmins and gurus) themselves have to agree which is proper and which is not.

 

Once this is done, the suggestions could be given to the Lawyers who drafts them according to the Common Laws and hand them to the Politicians who address the issues in the Parlimen. Once it is done and the Laws is past, half the battle is won.

 

educate all hindus how to make democracy work for them. currently the nimority anti-hindu are making democracy work for them, not for us.

 

kill corruption. make nervous for all to give or take bribes. one proven ways is by e-government.

 

Don't blame the minority alone. Many Hindus themselves simply do not care about Hindusm, as what I have seen in Bombay flood and in Katrina. Many Hindus, when seeing their own brethens suffering, don't seems to care at all, some even says casually that if something like this could happen in Singapore and UK, the same result (death) could have occurred. Makes my skin crawl.

 

BUT when Katrina hit New Orleans ... India donated water purifiers and such WITHIN one week of the event. Where did their genorosity go when their own people were suffering.

 

Normal people must be educated and corruption and careless attitude toward the society MUST be dealt with. Death sentences should be given to those who corrupt the government for the same of their own pockets.

 

rememer that ahimsa is not an absolute principle in hinduism per krishna's word in gita. no hindu should follow any fascist.

 

Agreed. Fight corruptions internally by awarding death sentences and eternally by military mights. Peace cannot achieve if we give and give without others giving the same amount. If others only know how to take, then it is useless.

 

And economic must be in top condition if all this to be successful. I believe India can do it - it CAN support itself in agriculture and it can become a superpower. No one can starve if everyone shares. Those who do not share, TAKE and GIVE to those who needs it.

[maadhav 0]

very good post. Thanks.

 

yes, not easy, but it is possible.

 

<< Gurus will not unite, >>

gurus need follower. if the followers make a request,

gurus will listen. the approach has to be bottom up, grass root.

 

in uniting with other gurus, they are not sacrificing anything, but strenghthening the vedic bond, and act in concert to get the invaded idology out. all gurus have a common problem from the anti-hindus.

 

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gurus need follower. if the followers make a request,

gurus will listen. the approach has to be bottom up, grass root.

 

in uniting with other gurus, they are not sacrificing anything, but strenghthening the vedic bond, and act in concert to get the invaded idology out. all gurus have a common problem from the anti-hindus.

 

 

We have two problems here.

 

Problem 1 - Gurus do need followers. But what do the followers need Gurus for? So they can know about God? Nope, so the followers could be happy in leading their own lives. They can live in any way possible (even secular ways) as long as they are happy.

 

You ask them to contribute to the development of Spiritual India, some of them wouldn't be bothered. In such situations, what can the Gurus do? If they force the followers to care what happens to Hindusm (and India in general), the followers will give half-hearted effects, or some of them could simply walk away and find another guru to fullfill their needs. If they don't force them, they will not care.

 

You should remember, many followers are finding gurus to fullfill their own self-delusion. I myself have meet a young Hindu woman who goes to Spiritual centre, does Yoga and attend Spiritual classes from Gurus, but her mentality is that of a woman who seeks materialistic needs, pride of her Degree, career-minded and enjoys to control others (like her husband).

 

Problem 2 - Many gurus couldn't care about what happens to India in general. They could follow "All is Maya" concept and sees the world as temporary one, and the afterlife to be more permanent one.

 

Hell, you yourself (I believe it was you) had shown me once verse (in another thread) that this world is temporary and full of suffering. So why should anyone bother what happens to it? Why should anyone bother to do something non-related to saving their own souls?

 

If you yourself think this world is full of suffering, how could you ask others (especially Gurus) to jump into it?

 

Like what Buddhist Holy person (forgot the name) once said - "If I don't go to Hell, who will?"

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<< Hell, you yourself (I believe it was you) had shown me once verse (in another thread) that this world is temporary and full of suffering. So why should anyone bother what happens to it? Why should anyone bother to do something non-related to saving their own souls? >>

 

some one else, not me.

 

when all gurus or their followers see a common problem,

then they could unite to solve it, because it is easy to solve that way then by one alone. i hope and proy it happens.

 

 

[Sephiroth 0]

some one else, not me.

 

I could swear it was you.

 

when all gurus or their followers see a common problem,

then they could unite to solve it, because it is easy to solve that way then by one alone. i hope and proy it happens.

 

Like I said before, most gurus and spiritual people goes around with "Everything is Maya" concept in their head. They do not bother about the World and concentrate in the afterlife alone. So I don't think this gurus will be bothered.

 

Furthermore, IF a guru come forward and teach his followers how to live a proper life, the students themselves could leave him, thinking he is a materialistic person, simply because many people believe living is materialistic approach and path of dying and going to heaven is a spiritual one (influence of Abrahamic religions, I believe).

 

 

But all is not lost. I have another suggestion, you can say it is courtesy of Maharaja Pralathan. I was reading about about him and Avatar Narasimha when something hits me.

 

Pralathan himself born in an Asuric environment. Everyone around him was Asurans and not many people knows about spiritual practise and those who do, didn't teach him. So HOW did he maintain his worship toward Lord Vishnu?

 

Answer I believe is - his early childhood was blessed by "indirect" education by hands of Sage Narada and later, among his own friends at Ashram.

 

Pralathan took the seed taught to him by Sage Narada, did his own meditation and developed his own understanding of Lord Vishnu and Absolute Truth which become source of strength for him in later life.

 

So, my suggestion ... instead of finding gurus which could (or couldn't) come together, go and find Ashrams who teach this sort of educations - like Varma Kalai, Yoga and Ayurveda. Gather them together under one banner as a School of Hindusm or something and ask those who are teaching to teach Spiritualism as well (Bhavagad Gita and the Puranas).

 

Instead of changing the attitude of the people today (you and me), gather the children under one banner and teach them about their heritage. Let them choose which path they wish to take.

 

Yes, some will not come. It doesn't matter, because sooner or later, the number of people who are learned will increase and become majority in a society, and society itself will change, just as Pralathan did toward his own society after death of his Asura father.

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Hari OM

 

"I think it's great that Hindus are so tolerent, but it seems to be at there own detriment"

 

Gita concludes as "Where there is Krishna and Where there is Arjuna with his BOW, there will be justice, there will be victory"

 

so it clearly states that in addition to Krishna (or his words) we also require a Powerful ruler (who follows Krishna's Word) for victory, justice and peace to prevail in that place.

 

however many hindus, including those who accept Gita, do not seem to understand or acknowledge this fact.