Japan threw the culture killer out, Hindus failed to do so.

maadhav · September 15, 2005

Source Book: COLLAPSE by Jared Diamond, page 294:

" ..Portuguese navigators bent on trade and conquest, having rounded Africa to reach India in 1498, advanced to the Moluccas in 1512, China in 1514, and Japan in 1543. Those first Europeans visitors to Japan were just a pair of shipwrecked sailors, but they caused unsettling challenges by introducing guns, and even bigger changes when they were followed by Catholic missionaries six year later. Hundreds of thousands of Japanese, including some daimyo, became converted to Christianity. Unfortunately, rival Jesuit and Franciscan missionaries began competing with each other, and stories spread that friars were trying to Christianize Japan as a prelude to European takeover.

In 1597 Toyotomi Hideyoshi crucified Japan's first group of 26 Christian martyrs. When Christian daimyo then tried to bribe or assassinate government officials, the shogun Tokugava Ieyasu concluded that Europeans and Christianity posed a threat to the stability of the shogunate and Japan. (In retrospect, when one considers how European military intervention followed the arrival of apparently innocent traders and missionaries in China, India and many other countries, the threat foreseen by Ieyasu was real.) In 1635 a later shogun went even further by forbidding Japanese to travel overseas and forbidding Japanese ships to leave coastal waters. Four years later, he expelled all the remaining Portuguese from Japan."

Sephiroth · September 15, 2005

In many way, Japan's History and India's history is so much alike, that one can say India and Japan are sisters.

Shintosm in Japan is like Shavitism in South (except there is no central God like Lord Shiva in Shintosm). Shinto believers simply believe that we live side by sides with beings we cannot see and they influence our lives as well (similar to the Panchoboothams in Shavitism).

Japan had been in constant war with Korea and China since 3rd Century - just like India had been in war with Muslims. Only difference was, Japan didn't lose.

Both the Samurais of Japan and Kyastrias of India had similar roles to play in their countries - both were required to be responsible in administrative and upholding Law and Order in their society.

Kyastrias had their responsiblity toward God, as described by the Gita while Samurais have their responsiblities according to Bushido - Code of the Warrior.

Only different is, Kyastrias cease to exist in India now (in groups) and any tom, dick and harry can proclaim to be such without fully taking responsibility for their actions.

In Japan, even today, the politicians are required to take oath that they WILL leave the post IF they failed to perform well - just as the Samurais in the past were taken oath that if they failed in their duties, they will commit Seppuku.

Not only Politicians, but also Public servants (top ranking or lower ones), government administrators, teachers, lawyers and such. Everyone taken oath to do their best responsibly.

Finally, Japan held its culture and heritage above everything else. They took pride in them, and they gave it up for NOTHING. Indians, probably due to the influence of false history from Christians had comes to hate their own culture which they do not follow.

I see Indian youths (even in Malaysia) act as if they were born in US/UK, priding themselves in English and use words which is not suitable to be heard, muchless spoken.

Seen today's Indian movies ... some of them are SO irratating, I wanted to slap some of the directors of the movies.

krishnadasa · September 15, 2005

Read the following lines from one of the articles

“Until Vasco da Gama discovered the sea route to the East in 1497-1499, the "West knew little about India let alone the countries further east. It is not that there was no awareness of India in the West, meaning thereby mainly Europe. Marco Polo had come visiting India and there certainly was a lively trade between north India and central Asia. Indian silk, among other commodities, was justly famous. So were Indian spices. It was India's misfortune that it should have been 'discovered' by a Portuguese sailor with criminal intentions.

India's first major contact began when Vasco da Gama landed with gunboat and priests. The newcomers were not only merchants but also devout Christians. They had the pope's mandate to convert heathens in the lands they conquered. They found that the natives had a flourishing religion of their own. They destroyed their temples

well guess english just followed the footsteps

Hari hari bol

krishnadasa · September 15, 2005

Might be u shud ask those so called indians in malaysia to come around and join this forum. Hopefully then we wud be able to revive (if its existing) the orignal values of thier original cultures

And then the movie directors, i guess there is no seggregation , all must be burnt in their asses. These are no 1 responsible for the degradation of indian chaste women.

Hari hari bol

Sephiroth · September 16, 2005

Vasco Da Gama is not to be blamed alone. Muslims had known about India for a long time and controlled the spice from India, and even before Portugis set foot in India, they already knew about India through Muslim traders.

Might be u shud ask those so called indians in malaysia to come around and join this forum.

They will ... when time is right.

These are no 1 responsible for the degradation of indian chaste women.

Except for the women themselves who allowed themselves to be potrated in such shameless ways. They think being traditional means being ignorant.

They think wearing modern revealing clothes means they are modern and intelligent. They don't know that the clothes they wear was design to be short so MEN can easily get their hands under them. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Women who thinks they are modern because they can read modern books and follow modern culture. They think old traditional ways are ignorant. Such people do not know their own culture and history.

Sephiroth · September 16, 2005

Why did Japan managed to kick Christianity out?

Except for a small community still exists, about 80% of Japanese are Buddhist-Shinto followers. Many young Japanese guys and ladies ask first whether you are a Christian before they actually go out with you (happened to me ).

Answer - because of Indians themselves. They are the cause of their own downfalls.

Misinterpretation verse such as "God is One but called in different names", Indians allowed Muslims and Christians to enter, trade, convert and conquer India.

They have FAILED to learn from their Puranas about nature of Demons and their followers. The story like Hirankyasipu who potray himself as God and openly attacked believers is very similar to Christians and Muslims (only different is, the followers (Muslims) do not openly admit Muhammad is their god and Christians do).

And when attacked, Indians were disunited among themselves. Many Hindus didn't want to fight for their think it was useless to fight over land. Many Hindus wanted to co-exist with Christians and Muslims. And many, when seeing their fellow Hindus in trouble, do not help because the other fellow maybe worshipping a different diety.

In the end, they have become traitor to their own belief that "God is one but called in different names".

IF you truly believe such verse, then it shouldn't matter what is the name of the diety another Hindu worship, does it? If he is in trouble, you should have helped because you believe in such verse as above.

In Japan, when the Shogun saw that Christians were corrupting his land with guns and new teachings, he quickly did all he could (despite of disapproval by many who called him, even today as inhuman) to preserve what he could. And in the long run, Japan's heritage and culture withstand the test of time.