Theist without spirituality..does the world need it

[Guest guest]

Some of our minority communicties in india while admiting freedom enjoyed, have alleged that they feel that they are living among atheist majority in india. And therefore cannot be trusted. (Musilms also have called sufis as athiests, in their own country)

 

Sanathan dharma has not reacted to these allegations, to make with the appearances required for being theists.

 

The theists are fighting and killing themselves as terrorists in the name of god amidst streets and children. The world will soon get to know that appearance of theists or atheists is not a measure of capability to trust.

 

[krishnadasa 0]

Well,

 

we never say YOU as asthiest , rather we say a theist in the mode of ignorance- (who kills at the place of worship)- there may be such people even in the majority u have mentioned, wherever they are theyx are ignorant- for this there is no doubt

 

[The theists are fighting and killing themselves as terrorists in the name of god amidst streets and children. The world will soon get to know that appearance of theists or atheists is not a measure of capability to trust.]

 

These are again mere ignorant who dont know the difference b/w the religion and irreligion. Or rather they think irreligion is religion -Krishna said it .

 

[some of our minority communicties in india while admiting freedom enjoyed, have alleged that they feel that they are living among atheist majority in india. And therefore cannot be trusted. (Musilms also have called sufis as athiests, in their own country]

 

Yatha Karma Tatha Phalam, meaning as you sow so do you reap, infact we should also add to it as your anscetors sow so the descendents reap. The anscestorss by wrongly intepreting the holy Koran , killed and destroyed our place of worship, they forcefull converted the right ones, so now its the time for enjoin/suffereing for what has been done in the past for their descendents. But still since the majority are more tolearant the minorities are able to live with all the faciltities ( inafact more- with reservations) which no other country gives for the minority community . And still the minority is not satisfied , then better find those desert and go and live ther where thier anscestors soul still might be dwelling. /images/graemlins/ooo.gif

 

Chant hari nama and praise those who chant...........your life will be successfull

 

[maadhav 0]

The answer to the subject question:

A true theist is also a spiritualist.

One without spirituality is not a theist.

 

Please give exact definition of who is a spiritualist.

Is the definituon different for xians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.

 

When world could be better without them,

but the world always will have them in or or less number.

we the vedic people need to deal with them according to teh messge of krishna in gita.

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<< Some of our minority communicties >>

 

who exactly?

 

<< in india while admiting freedom enjoyed, have alleged that they feel that they are living among atheist majority in india. >>

 

when, where, who spoke, or published an article?

Please post their exact resposnes, and sources of the material.

 

<< And therefore cannot be trusted. >>

 

Buddhist and Jains are atheists.

They are more trustworthy then many others.

They didn nto invade other counries to convert forcibley.

Nor did they destroy others temples.

 

<< (Musilms also have called sufis as athiests, in their own country) >>

 

Per wahabis who are stounch muslims, may other muslims are really not muslims. Pakistan is discrimating khojas and ahamadias who are not that bitter to Hindus than the mainstream muslims.

 

<< Sanathan dharma has not reacted to these allegations, to make with the appearances required for being theists. >>

 

dharma does not react, dharmis do.

present the issue clearly. if it is factuial, we will respond.

 

<< The theists are fighting and killing themselves as terrorists in the name of god amidst streets and children. >>

 

Yes, muslims; not hindus.

 

<< The world will soon get to know that appearance of theists or atheists is not a measure of capability to trust. >>

 

the world already knows it since milleniums.

 

[Guest guest]

So we recognize that athiest or thiest is no longer a measure of trust or once progress towards spirituality.

 

Let the ignorant (noteably the vaishnavas in the forums) use this as a measure of their closeness to god and feel proud that they are theist and differentiate the rest as athiest. We don't care to qualify/validate their assumptions or allegations. Niether would we ever.

 

Personnaly I feel theism or atheism is not a measure of closeness to god. Theism has had a public perception of trust & values in society towards

-women

-children

-deprived ones

-old people

-god-fearing things

 

Today these perceived values of theism is not exclusive to religion. Today this values earlier perceived exclusive with theism is the values asked by several respectable enterprises and NGOs from their workers, as one is asked to assume more responsiveness than a mere job description.

 

So "Theism without spirituality...does the world need it", the answer is Yes we need those perceived values, whether as an attribute of a religious faith or as a worker of a respectable enterprise.

 

Ideally these public perception of values of atheism should be seeded at an individual level, without the attributes of a religion, enterprise or country. Let's remember that in times of the past things like education, health-care, basic food & shelter, law-&-order etc. were all religious attributes.

[maadhav 0]

<< Ideally these public perception of values of atheism should be seeded at an individual level, without the attributes of a religion, enterprise or country. >>

 

there is no should about it.

for you, an atheist, you will do it.

for a theist, he will nto do it.

that is krishna given freedom to all.

 

one who lives seriously per atheistic view will not teach theism to any one; and same for a theist.

krishna says in gita (daivasurasampad vibhag yoga) that the demoniac people are atheists.

(and such people in the garb of theists are more dnagerous that the honest atheists.) so, you sure not want to saw seeds of atheism in any one.

 

now, you you the word religion to mean all the religions.

and all are different, islam being the worst - clsoe to demons' religion. hinduism (sanatan dharma is dharma, not "religion" in the sense of english. it, as given in gita is good for all teh people of all the times and places.

so, prabhupad saw the seeds of this dharma in all who came in contact with him, or who caerd to listen him.

 

<< Let's remember that in times of the past things like education, health-care, basic food & shelter, law-&-order etc. were all religious attributes. >>

 

that was good for the vedic people,

was not good for the anti-vedic people.

 

let me give an analogy:

once all lived in very pure air.

then they have poluted it very bad gradually and expontially. now they think of ways to not ploute an clean air. they know it was not good to polute.

 

[Guest guest]

Your comments whatsoever to the statement below may be invalid, as it had a typo.

 

"<< Ideally these public perception of values of atheism ...>> "

 

'Atheism' should be read as 'theism'. It's o.k. if you don't want to bother to respond with a revision.

 

Your second comment has mention of what's good for vedic & non-vedic people, and your analogies. You sure should know what's good for you. Great

 

[maadhav 0]

thanks.

 

i know what you are saying by the above subject line.

but no one would take "atheism" as "theism".

 

we have no disagreement about your quote after your corretion.