That means less intelligent class of men, they want to see some miracles.

[Pankaja_Dasa 1]

 

Lectures & Classes (folio infobase)

 

Philosophy Discussions

Henri Bergson

(excerpt)

Syamasundara: But the modern interpretation of the word mystic is something different. People take mystic to mean someone who is very mysterious and magic.

 

Prabhupada: Yes. It has come to that. God consciousness... Just like at the present moment if a guru can show some miracles, just like that Sai Baba, so they accept. That's a mystic.

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The Evolutionists:

Thomas Huxley, Henri Bergson, and Samuel Alexander

(excerpt)

 

Syamasundara: But the modern interpretation of the word mystic is something different. People take "mystic" to mean someone who is very mysterious and magic.

 

Prabhupada: Yes. It has come to that. God consciousness... Just like at the present moment, if a guru can show some miracles, just like that Sai Baba, (laughter) so they accept that he's mystic. Yes.

 

Syamasundara: Yes. That's the modern meaning of mystic.

 

Prabhupada: Yes. Although it may be rascaldom, false, still, he's received like that. Miracles. That means less intelligent class of men, they want to see some miracles. That is mysticism.

[maadhav 0]

the world has top class magicians.

they are honest in that they say they create an illusion to entertain you.

 

if however, any of them poses as god -showing the magic -

some less intelligent will accept him as god.

 

now, the important question is:

 

what does one do after he/she is accepted as god by some?

 

if his followers are led by him towards god, then i see no problem. else he is a cheater and robs people or misleads them or exploits them, and is an adharmi.

 

most gurus cannot elevate a follower more towards god than their own closeness to god. very very few can, though.

mostly it is a blind leading the blind situation.

all suffer. but they find it out after a long time.

 

[Pankaja_Dasa 1]

 

if his followers are led by him towards god, then i see no problem

 

 

 

Ok for now, but in the long run, they still will have to go the 'right path'.

 

Consider Prabhu, the class of these devotees, in spiritual life there is defined who is the Top most devotee, who is non-devotee, who is a neophyte devotee, etc, this is indeed no secret, in is stated in the Vedas, Sastra is our guide if we indeed neglect then I can see no position, any fool therefore in this Age can become God. Is it not?

[Guest guest]

what does one do after he/she is accepted as god by some?

...anything he say is a cheat... and if he say something good, he leads the follower to hell

 

most gurus cannot elevate a follower more towards god than their own closeness to god

...guru is one who knows god and he can give god to everyone... other's are not gurus

[Guest guest]

we are in agreement.

 

<<.. any fool therefore in this Age can become God. Is it not? >>

 

fool yes, but still smart enough to delude some other fools.

 

so, the duty of spiritually smart ones

is to make more nd more people spiritually smart

so that no one can fool them, or very less people can fool them.

 

 

[Guest guest]

<< ...guru is one who knows god and he can give god to everyone... other's are not gurus >>

 

cannot disagree, but you already know my position;

so i will not repeat.

 

kindly share this:

 

- how did you know your guru knows god please?

 

- did you receive god from him? if so, how you know you really received god and not some thing else please?

 

- what changed in your life, what difficult problems you could slove in life after you "received god" from your guru that you were not able to sole before please?

 

i am not questioning to shake you off from your faith in guru and god, but the true answers you share could make ohters smart in finding some one "who knows god" and "can give god".

 

BTW, how many people are there around who "know god and can give god" please?

 

again, pick a good user name please.

 

[Guest guest]

i am not questioning to shake you off from your faith in guru and god, but the true answers you share could make ohters smart in finding some one "who knows god" and "can give god".

 

----you are simply attempting to demonstrate that because it is difficult to see if one's is pure, we can accept anyone without discrimination

 

BTW, how many people are there around who "know god and can give god" please?

 

------many... if we pray krsna sincerely he will send to us people like that. If we are saisfied with cheaters, krsna will send cheaters

 

again, pick a good user name please

 

-------i have the same of yours: "guest.. unregistered"

[Guest guest]

1) scripture: highest authority scriptures (has accurate info about Astronomy, Medicine, Time etc) - the Vedas...they say in Kali, we are all so unintelligent, that Vyasa made Puranas especially for us...Puranas say Bhagavat purana is the 'cream of Vedic literature'....Bhagavat Purana says Krishna is Supreme...Krishna says follow bona fide guru...

 

2) What is parampara from Krsna? Answer: Brahma, Madhva, Caitanya all the way down to Prabhupada...that is true guru to follow...Prabhupada created GBC to appoint future gurus...we judge for ourselves which ones are the purest spiritual masters by testing them with questions before accepting any one...if their answers go against Prabhupada or scripture, he is not true guru...

[Guest guest]

gbc are not meant to create gurus but to decide if them can preach within iskcon

 

gaudya vaishnava sampradaya is not only iskcon

 

to understand if a devotee if fit to represent a pure devotee we must be pure devotee