Guest guest Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 Jiva{soul} is a person or some energy ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 the real person with transcendental name, form, personality when, rebellious to god, jiva comes in the material world he's covered by many material dead bodies.. like dresses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maadhav Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 a soul or aatma is qualitatively same as supersoul -paramatma - god. quantitatively it is very small just as a spark of fire is very small compared to an inferno. when this soul has desires to enjoy independent of god, then the soul, bundeleld with these disires, is called jiva. jiva thus take takes births among diffferet species. (bodies are described of four kinds: shtoola, sukshma, kara, and mahakaram. at death, generally a jiva quits the material body, but not the other three bodies. that then causes it to take up another body.) when the jiva take a human body, then only it has chance to realize god, and become a pure aatma, free from materialistic desires. hope it helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 it helps very much... thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 A soul is identity with a spiritual body, or not ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 soul means complete personality... svarupa (form) too and in the transcendence there's no difference from soul and body, everything it is soul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 Maadhav perception more accurate. Jiva or Jivatma is a spark form the Supreme Bhraman. Without this Jivatma the body becomes a zombie. Jivatma is imortal and has the power to even leave this body and return at will. But as we are all entangled with family bonds and love for material wealth the Jivatma has lost it's power to act at will. One we learn to control the five senses and focus our mind towards the Supereme Being tha it wil be regenerated and can even comunicate with the Lord directly like telepathy. Now that is another subject we wil have to deal with later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 "Maadhav perception more accurate" very accurate but not incompatible.. being him a vasihnava soul is a spark of god's energy but god is a person and his sparks are also persons person means form, name, actions, personality, world where to live, companions etc.. so this is soul, jiva the difference between jivatma and paramatma is that the first get and mantains the existence thanks to the second so, your preference for madhaav messages lies on the fact that you believe that he has given an impersonalist interpretation of the matter... but it is not true jiva is complete, full of features.. form, name, activities.. the spirit is more complete and various than the matter, if we have a body in this world, we have also a body (transcendental.. sat, cit, ananda) in the absolute one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 "One we learn to control the five senses and focus our mind towards the Supereme Being " through sadhana practices showing in this way the desire to receive god's mercy "and can even comunicate with the Lord directly like telepathy" not only telepathy... direct communication, association, love....we are speaking of persons (even if transcendental ones) , god is not handicapped, he has a mouth, he can speak, relationate..... love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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