why I beleive hindusim and budhism are false

[Guest guest]

refer this web site., please read the whole thing carefully

 

http://peace-of-mind.net/universe.htm

 

could any one respond to this persons article please, his email id is:

 

peace_of_mind55@hotmail.com

 

[Guest guest]

it is very difficult speakin with one who "BELIEVE", blind faith is not based on rationality so he is not so able to accept a discussion or a debate.

 

If his article (funny) gives you some doubts you surely can ask on specific things

 

(he doesn't have very strong arguments.. ordinary stuff, ignorant stuff)

[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna,

 

Frankly the article has too many mistakes and comes from incomplete understanding. People can find reasons for everything. It is aste if time reading and replying to such people.

 

Second the author has argued on the presumption that bible is true and every other scripture is false. He may be entitled to have that view, but personally I find that bible is too primitive.

 

This guy argues that based on the complexity of DNA and RNA in human beings it could not have been originated from nature and so GOD should have created life. Thia ia fallacious rationale as one can ask then who created GOD who is even more complex.

 

Next see his stupid argument against Hinduism or Buddhism being based on verses after verses from bible. One could similarly quote Vedas and Buddhist scriptures and prove that bible is wrong. As usual christians are always caught in circular logic based on bible.

[Guest guest]

As if we could care less what you think!

 

Hinduism and Buddhism have both stood the test of time, it is not just a belief system, but a spiritual path which has been repeatedly proven by many great holy men and women through the ages...thats the reason both these religions are still alive today considering all attempts to destroy them.

[Guest guest]

Whatever you may believe, belief does not prove anything, least of all that other religions are false and that yours is the only way. The whole "I believe..." argument is rather contrived, and is a poor way of convincing anyone about the validity of your statements.

 

By the way, Albert Einstein and many other quantum physicists often look towards Eastern religions such as Buddhism and Hinduism for their ideas. Einstein read the Bhagavad-Gita and praised it. Robert Oppenheimer, the inventor of the atomic bomb read the Bhagavad-Gita and quoted it as he saw the effects of the atomic bomb in the desert. There were many great thinkers who thought highly of Eastern religions. Yet, you apply your beliefs to the science that you only understand, and come away with Christianity being the only religion that is true.

 

Another problem with the article is the idea that the universe arose from a point and before that, there was nothing. This is NOT the current scientific view. In fact, there are new theories that suggest the universe's creation and destruction is indeed cyclical, just as Hinduism and Buddhism suggest.

 

That's not to say Hinduism and Buddhism are correct, but at the very least, I do think it's inappropriate for you to say they're completely false and that Christianity is the only truth.

[barney 0]

Causes" or "karanas" are divided into two categories: "nimitta" and "upadana". You need earth or clay as a material to make a pot. So earth is the upadana for the pot. But how does it become a pot? Does it become a pot by itself? It has to be shaped by a potter. So the potter is the cause- he is the nimitta. (The "nimitta" we spoke about in jyotisa is different. )

 

Nyaya and Vaisesika believe that Isvara created the universe with the ultimate particles called "anu-s". Here Isvara is the nimitta-karana and the "anu-s" are the upadana-karana. To shape the clay into a pot a potter is needed. Without him there is no earthen pot, or in other words, the pot without the potter is non-existent. So when he shapes it out of clay he is the cause and the pot the effect. This is called "arambha-vada" or "asat-karya-vada". "Sat" means that which exists (the real) and "asat" that which does not. There is no pot in mere clay. The non-existent pot is produced from the clay. It is in similar fashion that Isvara created the universe with the "anu-s" - what he created did not exist in the particles. This is the doctrine of Nyaya.

 

Adherents of Sankhya, as we know, do not believe in an Isvara. According to them Prakrti itself exfoliated into the universe. Such a belief is not to be mistaken for the contemporary athestic view. I say so because Sankhya also postulates a Purusa who is jnana, similar to the Nirguna-Brahman. According to it the inert Prakrti can function in such an orderly fashion only in the presence of Purusa. The presence of Purusa is the cause but he is not directly involved in creation. Crops grow on their own in the sunshine. Water dries up, clothes become dry and it is all because of the sun. Does the sun worry about which crop is to be grown or which pond is to be dried up? Your hand becomes numb when you hold a lump of ice in it. Is it right to reason that it is the intention of ice to benumb your hand? Similar is the case with Purusa for he is not attached to creation. But with the power received from him, Prakrti creates the world out of itself. There is no Isvara as a nimitta-karana. According to Sankhya, Prakrti has transformed itself as the created world. This is called "parinama-vada".

 

While asat-karya-vada is the principle on which the naiyayikas base their view of creation, supporters of Sankhya base their theory on sat-karya-vada. Adherents of the former believe that the clay is the upadana(material cause) for the making of the non-existent pot while the potter is the nimitta or efficient cause. The sat-karya-vadins belonging to Sankhya argue thus: "The pot was there in the clay in the beggining itself. The oil-monger presses the sesame seeds to extract the oil that is already present in them. Similarly, the pot concealed in the clay emerged as a result of the work of the potter. It is only by using the clay that you can make the pot. You cannot make a pot with sesame seeds nor do you get oil by pressing the clay. The pots are all anu-s of the clay; they came into existence by the anu-s being shaped. "

 

Our acarya says: "There is neither arambha-vada nor parinama-vada here. It is the Brahman, with its power of Maya, that appears in the disguise of creation. For the potter who is the Paramatman there is no other entity other than himself called clay. So the arambha-vada is not right. To say that Paramatman transformed himself into the cosmos is like saying that the milk turns into curd. The curd is not the same as the milk. Would it not be wrong to state that the Paramatman became non-existent after becoming the cosmos? So the parinama-vada is also not valid. On the one hand, the Paramatman remains pure jnana, as nothing but awareness, and, on the other, he shows himself through the power of his Maya as all this universe with its living-beings and its inert objects. It is all the appearence of the same Reality, the Reality in various disguises. If a man dons a disguise he does not become another man. Similar is the case with all these disguises, all this jugglary of the universe. with all the apparent diversity, the one Reality remains unchanged. " This argument is known as "vivarta-vada".

 

There is vivarta in the phenomenon of a rope appearing to be a snake. The upadana-karana(material cause) that is the rope does not change into a snake by nimitta-karana(efficient cause). So the arambha-vada does not apply here. The rope does not transform itself into a snake; but on account of our nescience (avidya) it seems to us to be a snake. Similarly, on account of our ajnana or avidya the Brahman too seems to us as this world and such a vast plurality of entities.

 

Nyaya lays the steps by which we may go further to realise the truth on which our Acarya has shed light.

 

Nyaya and Vaisesika teach us how we may become aware of padarthas (categories) through reasoning and become detatched from them to realise "apavarga" in which there is neither sorrow nor joy. But they do not take us to a higher realm. Dualism also has it's limitations thus. To grasp the One Reality that is non-dual and realise inwardly that we too are that Reality is to experience absolute liberation.

 

It must be said as one of the distinctive features of Nyaya that it inspires us to go in quest of apavarga by creating discontent in in our worldly existence. Another of its distinguishing features is that it employs all its resources of reasoning to contend against the doctrines of the Buddhists, the Sankhyas and Carvakas to establish the principle of Isvara as Karta(Creator).

 

 

[maadhav 0]

ok, so you belive they are false.

we are not hurt. becaue it is your freedom.

 

we are free to hev our won understanding.

is it a heart burn to you?

 

if not, then please do not give money in you church to convert the hindus.

 

could you agree?

 

[Guest guest]

It would be a very dark day in human consciousness if they do pull the conversion of India off dor there is the last stronghold of ancient enlightenment culture on the planet.

 

Buddha almost managed to propigate wide spread enlightenment but unfortunately it morphed into another religion with a whole bunch more of concepts beliefs and ideals to make use of and enslave man.

 

Oft times people consider Mother Theresa to be a Saint because of the humanitarian efforts in India. However few are aware that you have to give a good hunk of cash to buiding hospitals and orphanages or social programs to maintain non profit staus in India.

 

Sure if devottees for the pope could be scavenged without it so much effort would not have gone into it. Why the choice to build the Catholic strongholds so close to the Krihsna temples if the conversion of India is not the agenda.

 

There are plnty of people in the USA, Europe and Mexico that could use humanitarian aid.

 

 

 

[subroto 0]

Yes I agree, I don't hate chrisitans or look down on them in any way but they have to stop these conversions. The reason they convert is because they look down up on other religions. I don't blame some of the ministers either because they have been brainwashed..thats the way they have been brought up. The reason is that when christianity was formed they were sorrounded by people who wanted to presecute and torture them for their beliefs,thats why they needed a way to preserve their belief against these hostile forces. But hinduism never had this problem untill now. Another way to stop this conversion is to educate the so calle dhindus about real hinduism...once they know about the real hindusim they wouldn't want to convert to any other religion..but the problem is that a lot of indians don't know much about hinduism and can be easliy converted by certain ministries.

[maadhav 0]

<< Why the choice to build the Catholic strongholds so close to the Krihsna temples if the conversion of India is not the agenda. >>

 

it is xian agenda to convert the hindus.

it is - ought to be - india's agenda

to get the xianity and islam out of india, the vedic homeland.

 

BTW, please pick a user name.

here i do not know whom i am responding, cannot figure what posts are yours. that makes communiation difficult.

 

 

[Guest guest]

there's freedom, so much people all over the world is accepting the preaching of "hinduist" ways of life, so there should be freedom also for other religions in india

[Guest guest]

"there's freedom, so much people all over the world is accepting the preaching of "hinduist" ways of life, so there should be freedom also for other religions in india"

 

While I agree that everyone has the right to practice their religion, that doesn't mean everyone has the right to push their beliefs onto other people. Evangelism and prolesytizing is what should be banned, but if there are hindus who can't connect with hinduism and choose christianity as a religion, it should be their right to do so. But it isn't the christian's right to try to coerce them into abandoning their way of life for another.

[maadhav 0]

<< there's freedom, so much people all over the world is accepting the preaching of "hinduist" ways of life, >>

 

yes, and we do not enforce or go out to convert them and the whole world.

 

<< so there should be freedom also for other religions in india >>

 

no.

not the aggresive and forcibly invaded religions who in principle and practice want to totally destroy hinduism or any other religion than their own.