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Understood, and thank you for the heads up. It's sad to hear there is so

much anger in peoples hearts.

lisa

 

chrism wrote:

>

> I have used fake internet identifications in my early experience

> with the internet. I wasnt sure I could trust the internet and didnt

> want unecessary privacy issues coming my way.

>

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" I was one of the first two employees of one of Toronto's first ISPs

(you remember Tucows?) ... and worked for the CEO of that company when

he and two other independent ISPs started the Canadian Association of

Internet Providers. I remember when 14.4 was a BIG modem (laugh) . "

 

Hi Brandi, yup sure do know Tucows, chatted with Elliot any number of

times. We still resell some of their products.

 

Peace

 

Don

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understanding to her if she shows up, she was part of you

> once..

> and for me to share energy is unconditional , unrevokable,

> we are one..

 

Of course Paula, you are correct, but it also gets very tedious when people come

on to the list to bombard it with bulls*it. I would love to see a rule for our

group where any disagreements should be discussed off list and not as a part of

the forum.

I am all for unconditional loving but we do not need to be doormats and allow

people to ruin our groups learning with their own selfishness. This is a

sanctuary. Even sanctuarys have rules to be abided by.

If a child is having a tantrum to get attention sometimes the best thing to do

is ignore it or give it some tough loving, doesnt mean you have stopped loving

it.

 

My opinion,

love elektra x x x

 

 

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I recently got rid of a bunch of 14.4 modems and even a few CGA

cards! Anybody remember Bernoulli Boxes? Yes, some of us have been

playing with computers for a long time....

 

David

 

, Brandi Jasmine

<jazztalk wrote:

>

> At 09:23 PM 7/8/2008, you wrote:

> >Ok I should not be surprised by this even after being here a short

time

> >but the synchronisities are quite amazing. I built the first ISP

here in

> >this part of Maine in 1993, dialup accounts at that point were $75

a month

> >and you got a login on a Unix box. Along the way as tech improved

we were

> >always replacing equipment, 14.4 modems for 28.8 ones etc. Bigger

faster

>

> Modems hanging like bats tied from racks mounted on the wall?

>

> >computers. We had tied up with someone ,who became a great friend,

at a

> >tech conference, just happen to be seated at the same table. Now,

imagine

> >where he was from and where we shipped all of our old but still

useful

> >equipment. Yup. Belize. Shaking head.

>

> I was one of the first two employees of one of Toronto's first

ISPs (you remember Tucows?) ... and worked for the CEO of that

company when he and two other independent ISPs started the Canadian

Association of Internet Providers. I remember when 14.4 was a BIG

modem (laugh) ... a 3 Gig hard drive was " The Mother of All Hard

Drives " ... and a little thing called " Mosaic " was a really big deal,

heh heh ... we never charged that much for a login though ;-) ... I

don't know where all those modems ended up - probably the Ukraine.

>

> Brandi

>

>

>

>

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I have read some of these posts, and frankly I don't understand what is going

on.

But what I can understand is that this seems to be like a battlefield against

someone that cannot deffend for herself or himself. (and that is not being

straight) (Shame on you! )

 

All people are criticizing someone that no one knows, and as far as I know this

path is sacred, full of love, and I have been taught (in this path) not to judge

anyone, by any means. That's a *real* K attitude.

 

I have studied a lot this path, and this has nothing to do with revenge, like

this :

 

Kundalini is very strong! " Kali " the Warrior Goddess aspect is very

terrible and is only unleashed if needs or requirements are met for

her to be unleashed and woe unto the person or animal or thing she

expresses upon! Remember this is a violent world and we as Kundalini

people have every right to survive and if that survival is

threatened? Good bye " threat. " Most of the time Kundalini guides us

around these issues so it isnt a common experience. -  chrism

 

In my opinion this is a very negative point, mostly for the beginners, cause you

are fomenting revenge on someone instead of confronting the person with love.

What you are doing is pouring all your hate, instead of praying for the person

to reach the light.

You are not in the K Path, sorry if you don't like it, but this is true, this is

very manipulative for the beginners.

 

I have never been in a group that hate and revenge are fomented on someone, to

get some points. This is not the K Path. (or a battlefield)

 

Sorry to tell the truth, but Kundalini is a path of Love not of Hate, of

Forgiveness not  of Revenge.

 

It seems to be that you are very hurt by this person, it can be good for you to

talk to her or him.

 

If you have something against me, just let me know. I know how to deffend

myself, with love, not with hate.

 

 

What I mean is that Kundalini or Shakti or Kali, or whatever, is a Path of love

not Hate as you are focusing it on it.

 

Well is just my opinion. As I was reading all this negative stuff, and everyone

applauding the negative side of something that they also don't know.

 

This is not the Inquisition.

 

This is a path of Love. Divinity. Light. Forgiveness. (not Hate, Revenge,

Threat, Resentment as you want to depict it)

 

I don't know what that person did to you, but I don't think she or he or anyone

deserves to be treated like Jesus was, (everyone stonned him) you are like that

people, sorry to tell the truth.

 

And I'm sorry for you Chrism, cause I think you are full of Resentment

and Revenge not Love, I think this is a test of Shakti for you.

 

And I am trying not to judge. I'm just trying to give some light in this kind of

war, everyone against an " invisible " person. And your " Ego " being bigger than

ever. I don't know you, but I know very well this Path.

 

 

Jesus was attacked by his own people, stonned to death, by people like you,

without love, without reason, just with the mere delight to destroy him. Are you

Happy? people tought at that time that he was " darkness " instead of light, and

were very happy to kill him and destroy him in many ways, Are you still happy ?

Is that your light ?

 

I'm sorry if I am the only one that will not applaude you, I don't applaude the

injustices of anyone.

 

This is a violent world, but Kundalini is not a violent Path, you are

manipulating the Path to your benefit.

 

I'm being honest and straight. I'm not your flock.

 

I was invited to this group by you. Do you remember?

 

Be the light upon you Chrism, forgiveness is not from the mouth but from the

heart.

 

God bless and Heal your hurt. I wish you the Best. Hope your hurt will be healed

soon.

 

Kind regards

Neli

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Neli,

 

Thanks for your loving message and your concern with the newsgroup.

If I may reassure you, I wouldn't be too worried about the list

becoming a " battlefield " . While a group conversation should always be

open to disagreement and multiple viewpoints, we (and I think I can

speak for the other moderators as well) don't want anyone in this

group to feel hurt or offended or intimidated by anybody else.

 

I know a little (just a little) about the context of Chrism's

message, and I can guarantee that he was not trying to intimidate

anyone. He received a threat from somebody, and is concerned that

this person may try and disrupt the harmony of the group. (By the

way: and many of us older folks would happily welcome back

this member as the sweet, loving person she used to be.)

 

I agree with you, Neli: love is always the best way to heal a rift. I

feel this is the consensus here, too. Basically, it's in our hands as

fellow group members to go the extra mile and make sure that

everybody here feels safe and comfortable.

 

Best,

 

Sel

 

, neli neilim

<neli_nelis wrote:

>

>  

> I have read some of these posts, and frankly I don't understand

what is going on.

> But what I can understand is that this seems to be like a

battlefield against someone that cannot deffend for herself or

himself. (and that is not being straight) (Shame on you! )

>  

> All people are criticizing someone that no one knows, and as far as

I know this path is sacred, full of love, and I have been taught (in

this path) not to judge anyone, by any means. That's a *real* K

attitude.

>  

> I have studied a lot this path, and this has nothing to do with

revenge, like this :

>  

> Kundalini is very strong! " Kali " the Warrior Goddess aspect is very

> terrible and is only unleashed if needs or requirements are met for

> her to be unleashed and woe unto the person or animal or thing she

> expresses upon! Remember this is a violent world and we as

Kundalini

> people have every right to survive and if that survival is

> threatened? Good bye " threat. " Most of the time Kundalini guides us

> around these issues so it isnt a common experience. -  chrism

>  

> In my opinion this is a very negative point, mostly for the

beginners, cause you are fomenting revenge on someone instead of

confronting the person with love. What you are doing is pouring all

your hate, instead of praying for the person to reach the light.

> You are not in the K Path, sorry if you don't like it, but this is

true, this is very manipulative for the beginners.

>  

> I have never been in a group that hate and revenge are fomented on

someone, to get some points. This is not the K Path. (or a

battlefield)

>  

> Sorry to tell the truth, but Kundalini is a path of Love not of

Hate, of Forgiveness not  of Revenge.

>  

> It seems to be that you are very hurt by this person, it can be

good for you to talk to her or him.

>  

> If you have something against me, just let me know. I know how to

deffend myself, with love, not with hate.

>  

>  

> What I mean is that Kundalini or Shakti or Kali, or whatever, is a

Path of love not Hate as you are focusing it on it.

>  

> Well is just my opinion. As I was reading all this negative stuff,

and everyone applauding the negative side of something that they also

don't know.

>  

> This is not the Inquisition.

>  

> This is a path of Love. Divinity. Light. Forgiveness. (not Hate,

Revenge, Threat, Resentment as you want to depict it)

>  

> I don't know what that person did to you, but I don't think she or

he or anyone deserves to be treated like Jesus was, (everyone stonned

him) you are like that people, sorry to tell the truth.

>  

> And I'm sorry for you Chrism, cause I think you are full

of Resentment and Revenge not Love, I think this is a test of Shakti

for you.

>  

> And I am trying not to judge. I'm just trying to give some light in

this kind of war, everyone against an " invisible " person. And

your " Ego " being bigger than ever. I don't know you, but I know very

well this Path.

>  

>  

> Jesus was attacked by his own people, stonned to death, by people

like you, without love, without reason, just with the mere delight to

destroy him. Are you Happy? people tought at that time that he

was " darkness " instead of light, and were very happy to kill him and

destroy him in many ways, Are you still happy ? Is that your light ?

>  

> I'm sorry if I am the only one that will not applaude you, I don't

applaude the injustices of anyone.

>  

> This is a violent world, but Kundalini is not a violent Path, you

are manipulating the Path to your benefit.

>  

> I'm being honest and straight. I'm not your flock.

>  

> I was invited to this group by you. Do you remember?

>  

> Be the light upon you Chrism, forgiveness is not from the mouth but

from the heart.

>  

> God bless and Heal your hurt. I wish you the Best. Hope your hurt

will be healed soon.

>  

> Kind regards

> Neli

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hmmmm...interesting. The energy coming from you post speaks

differently from your words. Its more negative than any perceived

negativity here.

 

Peace,

dhyana

 

 

, neli neilim

<neli_nelis wrote:

>

>

> I have read some of these posts, and frankly I don't understand what

is going on.

> But what I can understand is that this seems to be like a

battlefield against someone that cannot deffend for herself or

himself. (and that is not being straight) (Shame on you! )

>

> All people are criticizing someone that no one knows, and as far as

I know this path is sacred, full of love, and I have been taught (in

this path) not to judge anyone, by any means. That's a *real* K attitude.

>

> I have studied a lot this path, and this has nothing to do with

revenge, like this :

>

> Kundalini is very strong! " Kali " the Warrior Goddess aspect is very

> terrible and is only unleashed if needs or requirements are met for

> her to be unleashed and woe unto the person or animal or thing she

> expresses upon! Remember this is a violent world and we as Kundalini

> people have every right to survive and if that survival is

> threatened? Good bye " threat. " Most of the time Kundalini guides us

> around these issues so it isnt a common experience. - chrism

>

> In my opinion this is a very negative point, mostly for the

beginners, cause you are fomenting revenge on someone instead of

confronting the person with love. What you are doing is pouring all

your hate, instead of praying for the person to reach the light.

> You are not in the K Path, sorry if you don't like it, but this is

true, this is very manipulative for the beginners.

>

> I have never been in a group that hate and revenge are fomented on

someone, to get some points. This is not the K Path. (or a battlefield)

>

> Sorry to tell the truth, but Kundalini is a path of Love not of

Hate, of Forgiveness not of Revenge.

>

> It seems to be that you are very hurt by this person, it can be good

for you to talk to her or him.

>

> If you have something against me, just let me know. I know how to

deffend myself, with love, not with hate.

>

>

> What I mean is that Kundalini or Shakti or Kali, or whatever, is a

Path of love not Hate as you are focusing it on it.

>

> Well is just my opinion. As I was reading all this negative stuff,

and everyone applauding the negative side of something that they also

don't know.

>

> This is not the Inquisition.

>

> This is a path of Love. Divinity. Light. Forgiveness. (not Hate,

Revenge, Threat, Resentment as you want to depict it)

>

> I don't know what that person did to you, but I don't think she or

he or anyone deserves to be treated like Jesus was, (everyone stonned

him) you are like that people, sorry to tell the truth.

>

> And I'm sorry for you Chrism, cause I think you are full

of Resentment and Revenge not Love, I think this is a test of Shakti

for you.

>

> And I am trying not to judge. I'm just trying to give some light in

this kind of war, everyone against an " invisible " person. And your

" Ego " being bigger than ever. I don't know you, but I know very well

this Path.

>

>

> Jesus was attacked by his own people, stonned to death, by people

like you, without love, without reason, just with the mere delight to

destroy him. Are you Happy? people tought at that time that he was

" darkness " instead of light, and were very happy to kill him and

destroy him in many ways, Are you still happy ? Is that your light ?

>

> I'm sorry if I am the only one that will not applaude you, I don't

applaude the injustices of anyone.

>

> This is a violent world, but Kundalini is not a violent Path, you

are manipulating the Path to your benefit.

>

> I'm being honest and straight. I'm not your flock.

>

> I was invited to this group by you. Do you remember?

>

> Be the light upon you Chrism, forgiveness is not from the mouth but

from the heart.

>

> God bless and Heal your hurt. I wish you the Best. Hope your hurt

will be healed soon.

>

> Kind regards

> Neli

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Could not agree more.  I got such a bad terrible feeling reading in my soul

reading this.  Almost a hurtful feeling, because I really have not seen anyone

being malicious. But I don't read every single post due to time restraints.  I

have never heard say one thing that would imply ill intent either.  And I

am a beginner, so it is not impacting me in any negative way whatsoever.  Just

my .02 cents. 

 

Sharon

 

And since we are just being honest, I am sorry but I do feel you are being

judgemental. I am not trying to hurt your feelings in any way, just had to

express that. And like Jesus said, any man who is without sin cast the first

stone, and all the men put down their stones and walked away.

 

--- On Thu, 7/10/08, novalees <dhyana wrote:

 

novalees <dhyana

Re: To whom it may concern:

 

Thursday, July 10, 2008, 10:06 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmmm...interesting . The energy coming from you post speaks

differently from your words. Its more negative than any perceived

negativity here.

 

Peace,

dhyana

 

Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , neli neilim

<neli_nelis@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> I have read some of these posts, and frankly I don't understand what

is going on.

> But what I can understand is that this seems to be like a

battlefield against someone that cannot deffend for herself or

himself. (and that is not being straight) (Shame on you! )

>

> All people are criticizing someone that no one knows, and as far as

I know this path is sacred, full of love, and I have been taught (in

this path) not to judge anyone, by any means. That's a *real* K attitude.

>

> I have studied a lot this path, and this has nothing to do with

revenge, like this :

>

> Kundalini is very strong! " Kali " the Warrior Goddess aspect is very

> terrible and is only unleashed if needs or requirements are met for

> her to be unleashed and woe unto the person or animal or thing she

> expresses upon! Remember this is a violent world and we as Kundalini

> people have every right to survive and if that survival is

> threatened? Good bye " threat. " Most of the time Kundalini guides us

> around these issues so it isnt a common experience. - chrism

>

> In my opinion this is a very negative point, mostly for the

beginners, cause you are fomenting revenge on someone instead of

confronting the person with love. What you are doing is pouring all

your hate, instead of praying for the person to reach the light.

> You are not in the K Path, sorry if you don't like it, but this is

true, this is very manipulative for the beginners.

>

> I have never been in a group that hate and revenge are fomented on

someone, to get some points. This is not the K Path. (or a battlefield)

>

> Sorry to tell the truth, but Kundalini is a path of Love not of

Hate, of Forgiveness not of Revenge.

>

> It seems to be that you are very hurt by this person, it can be good

for you to talk to her or him.

>

> If you have something against me, just let me know. I know how to

deffend myself, with love, not with hate.

>

>

> What I mean is that Kundalini or Shakti or Kali, or whatever, is a

Path of love not Hate as you are focusing it on it.

>

> Well is just my opinion. As I was reading all this negative stuff,

and everyone applauding the negative side of something that they also

don't know.

>

> This is not the Inquisition.

>

> This is a path of Love. Divinity. Light. Forgiveness. (not Hate,

Revenge, Threat, Resentment as you want to depict it)

>

> I don't know what that person did to you, but I don't think she or

he or anyone deserves to be treated like Jesus was, (everyone stonned

him) you are like that people, sorry to tell the truth.

>

> And I'm sorry for you Chrism, cause I think you are full

of Resentment and Revenge not Love, I think this is a test of Shakti

for you.

>

> And I am trying not to judge. I'm just trying to give some light in

this kind of war, everyone against an " invisible " person. And your

" Ego " being bigger than ever. I don't know you, but I know very well

this Path.

>

>

> Jesus was attacked by his own people, stonned to death, by people

like you, without love, without reason, just with the mere delight to

destroy him. Are you Happy? people tought at that time that he was

" darkness " instead of light, and were very happy to kill him and

destroy him in many ways, Are you still happy ? Is that your light ?

>

> I'm sorry if I am the only one that will not applaude you, I don't

applaude the injustices of anyone.

>

> This is a violent world, but Kundalini is not a violent Path, you

are manipulating the Path to your benefit.

>

> I'm being honest and straight. I'm not your flock.

>

> I was invited to this group by you. Do you remember?

>

> Be the light upon you Chrism, forgiveness is not from the mouth but

from the heart.

>

> God bless and Heal your hurt. I wish you the Best. Hope your hurt

will be healed soon.

>

> Kind regards

> Neli

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Paula,

 

I think we need to deal with someone from a standpoint of love but

also detachment. It might not be for us to pull someone out of the

abyss. We can be here for them, welcome them if they choose to come,

but trying to interfere may be stomping all over a life lesson they

are in the midst of. There is a fine line between love and

interference imho. And I don't mean to sound like a know it all

about this, I have had problems with this very issue most of my

life! I am just coming into a place that I realize I should not

interfere in another's personal power or karma.

 

Sarita

 

, <ari.reza

wrote:

>

>

> > hi all

> i think we get lessons from all of it, warts and all , i learn

more about my self from watching the negative that surfaces inside of

me, then i can examine why i reacted in that way..if we are protected

from everything negative what will we learn...?

> madame x .. is going through a big negativity bubble, we all get

them right? are we there for her when it bloops or are we just going

to let her drop to the abyss?...

> if it was you e.. or any of ya.. i'd be there trying to catch

ya..no matter how much ya kick ,cuss or squeal...

>

> paula...

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I think when we get a lesson to work with and we see others working

contrary to it, we tend to ego think they're doing it wrong. Maybe

we're alright when we do what we must do to grow and allow others to

do the same even when it seems to contradict our path.

 

Peter

 

 

, " novalees "

<dhyana wrote:

>

> Hmmmm...interesting. The energy coming from you post speaks

> differently from your words. Its more negative than any perceived

> negativity here.

>

> Peace,

> dhyana

>

>

> , neli neilim

> <neli_nelis@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I have read some of these posts, and frankly I don't understand what

> is going on.

> > But what I can understand is that this seems to be like a

> battlefield against someone that cannot deffend for herself or

> himself. (and that is not being straight) (Shame on you! )

> >

> > All people are criticizing someone that no one knows, and as far as

> I know this path is sacred, full of love, and I have been taught (in

> this path) not to judge anyone, by any means. That's a *real* K

attitude.

> >

> > I have studied a lot this path, and this has nothing to do with

> revenge, like this :

> >

> > Kundalini is very strong! " Kali " the Warrior Goddess aspect is very

> > terrible and is only unleashed if needs or requirements are met for

> > her to be unleashed and woe unto the person or animal or thing she

> > expresses upon! Remember this is a violent world and we as Kundalini

> > people have every right to survive and if that survival is

> > threatened? Good bye " threat. " Most of the time Kundalini guides us

> > around these issues so it isnt a common experience. - chrism

> >

> > In my opinion this is a very negative point, mostly for the

> beginners, cause you are fomenting revenge on someone instead of

> confronting the person with love. What you are doing is pouring all

> your hate, instead of praying for the person to reach the light.

> > You are not in the K Path, sorry if you don't like it, but this is

> true, this is very manipulative for the beginners.

> >

> > I have never been in a group that hate and revenge are fomented on

> someone, to get some points. This is not the K Path. (or a battlefield)

> >

> > Sorry to tell the truth, but Kundalini is a path of Love not of

> Hate, of Forgiveness not of Revenge.

> >

> > It seems to be that you are very hurt by this person, it can be good

> for you to talk to her or him.

> >

> > If you have something against me, just let me know. I know how to

> deffend myself, with love, not with hate.

> >

> >

> > What I mean is that Kundalini or Shakti or Kali, or whatever, is a

> Path of love not Hate as you are focusing it on it.

> >

> > Well is just my opinion. As I was reading all this negative stuff,

> and everyone applauding the negative side of something that they also

> don't know.

> >

> > This is not the Inquisition.

> >

> > This is a path of Love. Divinity. Light. Forgiveness. (not Hate,

> Revenge, Threat, Resentment as you want to depict it)

> >

> > I don't know what that person did to you, but I don't think she or

> he or anyone deserves to be treated like Jesus was, (everyone stonned

> him) you are like that people, sorry to tell the truth.

> >

> > And I'm sorry for you Chrism, cause I think you are full

> of Resentment and Revenge not Love, I think this is a test of Shakti

> for you.

> >

> > And I am trying not to judge. I'm just trying to give some light in

> this kind of war, everyone against an " invisible " person. And your

> " Ego " being bigger than ever. I don't know you, but I know very well

> this Path.

> >

> >

> > Jesus was attacked by his own people, stonned to death, by people

> like you, without love, without reason, just with the mere delight to

> destroy him. Are you Happy? people tought at that time that he was

> " darkness " instead of light, and were very happy to kill him and

> destroy him in many ways, Are you still happy ? Is that your light ?

> >

> > I'm sorry if I am the only one that will not applaude you, I don't

> applaude the injustices of anyone.

> >

> > This is a violent world, but Kundalini is not a violent Path, you

> are manipulating the Path to your benefit.

> >

> > I'm being honest and straight. I'm not your flock.

> >

> > I was invited to this group by you. Do you remember?

> >

> > Be the light upon you Chrism, forgiveness is not from the mouth but

> from the heart.

> >

> > God bless and Heal your hurt. I wish you the Best. Hope your hurt

> will be healed soon.

> >

> > Kind regards

> > Neli

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Peter,

 

I love your post.  Really giving me something to ponder.  Thank You

 

Sharon

 

--- On Thu, 7/10/08, peter.nichols <peter wrote:

 

peter.nichols <peter

Re: To whom it may concern:

 

Thursday, July 10, 2008, 11:40 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think when we get a lesson to work with and we see others working

contrary to it, we tend to ego think they're doing it wrong. Maybe

we're alright when we do what we must do to grow and allow others to

do the same even when it seems to contradict our path.

 

Peter

 

Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " novalees "

<dhyana wrote:

>

> Hmmmm...interesting . The energy coming from you post speaks

> differently from your words. Its more negative than any perceived

> negativity here.

>

> Peace,

> dhyana

>

>

> Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , neli neilim

> <neli_nelis@ > wrote:

> >

> >

> > I have read some of these posts, and frankly I don't understand what

> is going on.

> > But what I can understand is that this seems to be like a

> battlefield against someone that cannot deffend for herself or

> himself. (and that is not being straight) (Shame on you! )

> >

> > All people are criticizing someone that no one knows, and as far as

> I know this path is sacred, full of love, and I have been taught (in

> this path) not to judge anyone, by any means. That's a *real* K

attitude.

> >

> > I have studied a lot this path, and this has nothing to do with

> revenge, like this :

> >

> > Kundalini is very strong! " Kali " the Warrior Goddess aspect is very

> > terrible and is only unleashed if needs or requirements are met for

> > her to be unleashed and woe unto the person or animal or thing she

> > expresses upon! Remember this is a violent world and we as Kundalini

> > people have every right to survive and if that survival is

> > threatened? Good bye " threat. " Most of the time Kundalini guides us

> > around these issues so it isnt a common experience. - chrism

> >

> > In my opinion this is a very negative point, mostly for the

> beginners, cause you are fomenting revenge on someone instead of

> confronting the person with love. What you are doing is pouring all

> your hate, instead of praying for the person to reach the light.

> > You are not in the K Path, sorry if you don't like it, but this is

> true, this is very manipulative for the beginners.

> >

> > I have never been in a group that hate and revenge are fomented on

> someone, to get some points. This is not the K Path. (or a battlefield)

> >

> > Sorry to tell the truth, but Kundalini is a path of Love not of

> Hate, of Forgiveness not of Revenge.

> >

> > It seems to be that you are very hurt by this person, it can be good

> for you to talk to her or him.

> >

> > If you have something against me, just let me know. I know how to

> deffend myself, with love, not with hate.

> >

> >

> > What I mean is that Kundalini or Shakti or Kali, or whatever, is a

> Path of love not Hate as you are focusing it on it.

> >

> > Well is just my opinion. As I was reading all this negative stuff,

> and everyone applauding the negative side of something that they also

> don't know.

> >

> > This is not the Inquisition.

> >

> > This is a path of Love. Divinity. Light. Forgiveness. (not Hate,

> Revenge, Threat, Resentment as you want to depict it)

> >

> > I don't know what that person did to you, but I don't think she or

> he or anyone deserves to be treated like Jesus was, (everyone stonned

> him) you are like that people, sorry to tell the truth.

> >

> > And I'm sorry for you Chrism, cause I think you are full

> of Resentment and Revenge not Love, I think this is a test of Shakti

> for you.

> >

> > And I am trying not to judge. I'm just trying to give some light in

> this kind of war, everyone against an " invisible " person. And your

> " Ego " being bigger than ever. I don't know you, but I know very well

> this Path.

> >

> >

> > Jesus was attacked by his own people, stonned to death, by people

> like you, without love, without reason, just with the mere delight to

> destroy him. Are you Happy? people tought at that time that he was

> " darkness " instead of light, and were very happy to kill him and

> destroy him in many ways, Are you still happy ? Is that your light ?

> >

> > I'm sorry if I am the only one that will not applaude you, I don't

> applaude the injustices of anyone.

> >

> > This is a violent world, but Kundalini is not a violent Path, you

> are manipulating the Path to your benefit.

> >

> > I'm being honest and straight. I'm not your flock.

> >

> > I was invited to this group by you. Do you remember?

> >

> > Be the light upon you Chrism, forgiveness is not from the mouth but

> from the heart.

> >

> > God bless and Heal your hurt. I wish you the Best. Hope your hurt

> will be healed soon.

> >

> > Kind regards

> > Neli

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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That's what is so great about a loving forum like this one. This is a

group that is willing to listen to different points of view and learn

from one another. It fills my heart with joy! Out of everything,

something positive can be found if we dig deep.

 

Sarita

 

 

, " alayafire "

<ari.reza wrote:

>

> true Sarita,very true..

> thanks for reminding me of this,noticed if you save a person from

> one thing ,it just gets them with another...until they get what they

> should learn, been a good discusion i think...thanks for helping me

> get this :)

> paula....

>

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Gosh Neli, I have to agree with Dhyana and Sharon, your post felt

very negative. To me it seemed you took something chrism had to say

out of context and changed it to mean something totally different.

 

People do that with the bible as well. Such as you saying Jesus was

stoned to death, which did not happen, at least not in the bible. It

does say in John 10:31, that the Jews picked up stones to stone him,

but the stonning never took place. It was not time for Jesus to give

up his life at that point and that was not the way it was prophesied

that he would die even.

 

One of Jesus disciples, Stephen was stoned to death. Did you get the

stonning confused with that incidence?

 

Linda

 

, Sharon Grubb

<sharongrbb2000 wrote:

>

> Could not agree more.  I got such a bad terrible feeling reading in

my soul reading this.  Almost a hurtful feeling, because I really

have not seen anyone being malicious. But I don't read every single

post due to time restraints.  I have never heard say one thing

that would imply ill intent either.  And I am a beginner, so it is

not impacting me in any negative way whatsoever.  Just my .02 cents. 

>  

> Sharon

>  

> And since we are just being honest, I am sorry but I do feel you

are being judgemental. I am not trying to hurt your feelings in any

way, just had to express that. And like Jesus said, any man who is

without sin cast the first stone, and all the men put down their

stones and walked away.

>

> --- On Thu, 7/10/08, novalees <dhyana wrote:

>

> novalees <dhyana

> Re: To whom it may concern:

>

> Thursday, July 10, 2008, 10:06 AM

Hmmmm...interesting . The energy coming from you post speaks

> differently from your words. Its more negative than any perceived

> negativity here.

>

> Peace,

> dhyana

>

> Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , neli neilim

> <neli_nelis@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I have read some of these posts, and frankly I don't understand

what

> is going on.

> > But what I can understand is that this seems to be like a

> battlefield against someone that cannot deffend for herself or

> himself. (and that is not being straight) (Shame on you! )

> >

> > All people are criticizing someone that no one knows, and as far

as

> I know this path is sacred, full of love, and I have been taught (in

> this path) not to judge anyone, by any means. That's a *real* K

attitude.

> >

> > I have studied a lot this path, and this has nothing to do with

> revenge, like this :

> >

> > Kundalini is very strong! " Kali " the Warrior Goddess aspect is

very

> > terrible and is only unleashed if needs or requirements are met

for

> > her to be unleashed and woe unto the person or animal or thing

she

> > expresses upon! Remember this is a violent world and we as

Kundalini

> > people have every right to survive and if that survival is

> > threatened? Good bye " threat. " Most of the time Kundalini guides

us

> > around these issues so it isnt a common experience. - chrism

> >

> > In my opinion this is a very negative point, mostly for the

> beginners, cause you are fomenting revenge on someone instead of

> confronting the person with love. What you are doing is pouring all

> your hate, instead of praying for the person to reach the light.

> > You are not in the K Path, sorry if you don't like it, but this is

> true, this is very manipulative for the beginners.

> >

> > I have never been in a group that hate and revenge are fomented on

> someone, to get some points. This is not the K Path. (or a

battlefield)

> >

> > Sorry to tell the truth, but Kundalini is a path of Love not of

> Hate, of Forgiveness not of Revenge.

> >

> > It seems to be that you are very hurt by this person, it can be

good

> for you to talk to her or him.

> >

> > If you have something against me, just let me know. I know how to

> deffend myself, with love, not with hate.

> >

> >

> > What I mean is that Kundalini or Shakti or Kali, or whatever, is a

> Path of love not Hate as you are focusing it on it.

> >

> > Well is just my opinion. As I was reading all this negative stuff,

> and everyone applauding the negative side of something that they

also

> don't know.

> >

> > This is not the Inquisition.

> >

> > This is a path of Love. Divinity. Light. Forgiveness. (not Hate,

> Revenge, Threat, Resentment as you want to depict it)

> >

> > I don't know what that person did to you, but I don't think she or

> he or anyone deserves to be treated like Jesus was, (everyone

stonned

> him) you are like that people, sorry to tell the truth.

> >

> > And I'm sorry for you Chrism, cause I think you are full

> of Resentment and Revenge not Love, I think this is a test of Shakti

> for you.

> >

> > And I am trying not to judge. I'm just trying to give some light

in

> this kind of war, everyone against an " invisible " person. And your

> " Ego " being bigger than ever. I don't know you, but I know very well

> this Path.

> >

> >

> > Jesus was attacked by his own people, stonned to death, by people

> like you, without love, without reason, just with the mere delight

to

> destroy him. Are you Happy? people tought at that time that he was

> " darkness " instead of light, and were very happy to kill him and

> destroy him in many ways, Are you still happy ? Is that your light ?

> >

> > I'm sorry if I am the only one that will not applaude you, I don't

> applaude the injustices of anyone.

> >

> > This is a violent world, but Kundalini is not a violent Path, you

> are manipulating the Path to your benefit.

> >

> > I'm being honest and straight. I'm not your flock.

> >

> > I was invited to this group by you. Do you remember?

> >

> > Be the light upon you Chrism, forgiveness is not from the mouth

but

> from the heart.

> >

> > God bless and Heal your hurt. I wish you the Best. Hope your hurt

> will be healed soon.

> >

> > Kind regards

> > Neli

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Gosh Neli, I have to agree with

Dhyana and Sharon, your post felt

very negative. To me it seemed you took something chrism had to say

out of context and changed it to mean something totally different.

 

It's called

transference or

 

projection. Everyone does it to some degree. We see in others that

which is most troubling about ourselves at some level. I imagine nearly

everyone can see it in this thread somewhere ... not for *us* for course,

but for someone else, right? (heh heh). What I find most interesting

though is what our responses say about us. There have been so many times

I just wanted to jump in and fix that contradiction or correct that

assumption ... but I knew no matter what I said, the other person

wouldn't see it - and those who would see it, already " get " it

(laugh) ... there's my " mother " complex going off

again.

What I got out of this was an idea about disagreement, confrontation and

criticism that will help me deal with it better. I decided that despite

the apparent hostility, both sides were truly coming from what they

understood to be loving intention. " I want to correct you, you are

heading down the wrong path " must have love at the heart of it, even

when the language surrounding that intention seems hostile, even when

that person appears to be wrong in their judgment. That's going to help

me deal with criticism better, so I thank you all for this thread, from

the bottom of my heart.

Brandi

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Neli,

Don't let them get you down, a lot of people on this list refuse to see the

truth of their actions. I can be one of them at times. There are people on

this list that, if I were on trial, I would shudder to have them on my jury!

They just do not see. That is their path. You stay on your path. In my life

the absolute best, most important lessons I learned in how to love were

taught to me by the most negative of people and situations! So thank you

all, I do love all of you! Carol

 

 

 

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Hi Brandi,

 

It's not just our troubling side that gets projected, it's also our

good side. Such as when young lovers meet and fall madly and

passionately in love and feel like they have always know the other

person. Well, they have always know the other person, because it's

themselves projected. <g>

 

Peter

 

 

 

, Brandi Jasmine

<jazztalk wrote:

>

> It's called <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transference>transference

or <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection>projection.

Everyone does it to some degree. We see in others that which is most

troubling about ourselves at some level. I imagine nearly everyone can

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At 08:18 PM 7/10/2008, you wrote:

>It's not just our troubling side that gets projected, it's also our

>good side. Such as when young lovers meet and fall madly and

>passionately in love and feel like they have always know the other

>person. Well, they have always know the other person, because it's

>themselves projected. <g>

 

That's absolutely true, good point.

 

Brandi

 

 

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Carol

 

Thanks for your reply, I was only trying to be honest, but this people is very

fan, and sided with Chrism, they cannot see something different, much less

respect someone that is different. Its not easy to put me down, I'm just

observing the reactions of hate of everyone upon me, and I am seeing the Shakti

light in each one of them, I was not negative, when I wrote the letter, but

honest, I was in Shakti at that moment, and also with Kali.

I call Kali to the K energy instead of Shakti, she is my protector Goddess. But

for me and for many is the same.

 

Regards

Neli

 

 

 

 

 

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Sel,

 

I also agree with you, *Love* is the only way to heal a rift. But many people

confuse Hate or Resentment with Love.

 

Regards

Neli

 

 

 

 

 

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Dhyana

 

Who are you to judge what is neg. or pos. Are you God ??? just a thought.

You are doing the devil's work, let him judge by himself, and look at yourself

in the mirror more frequently. I don't judge your toughts. And if you felt what

you felt maybe is what you have inside.

 

Be the light upon darkness, for all of us.

Neli

 

 

 

 

 

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echo echo echo, are you reading my mind?dhyana.....my thoughts when i read this

post was of the power of the tongue (pen, keyboard) and how they can be a

two-edged sword..........also kept going through my mind " love really needs no

apologies " i'm sorry are two words that are overused..........and

underrated.........

 

light and love to ALL.........i'm fixated on the spot between my shoulders

today, and the possibility of sprouting wings.....hehehe

 

--- On Fri, 7/11/08, neli neilim <neli_nelis wrote:

 

neli neilim <neli_nelis

Re: To whom it may concern:

 

Friday, July 11, 2008, 6:44 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dhyana

 

Who are you to judge what is neg. or pos. Are you God ??? just a thought.

You are doing the devil's work, let him judge by himself, and look at yourself

in the mirror more frequently. I don't judge your toughts. And if you felt what

you felt maybe is what you have inside.

 

Be the light upon darkness, for all of us.

Neli

 

 

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Neli,I don't think that we as a whole are negative or sided with

Chrism.It is you that must accept other people's views and must be

positive.Blessings.

 

love,nicole

, neli neilim

<neli_nelis wrote:

>

> Carol

>  

> Thanks for your reply, I was only trying to be honest, but this

people is very fan, and sided with Chrism, they cannot see something

different, much less respect someone that is different. Its not easy

to put me down, I'm just observing the reactions of hate of everyone

upon me, and I am seeing the Shakti light in each one of them, I was

not negative, when I wrote the letter, but honest, I was in Shakti at

that moment, and also with Kali.

> I call Kali to the K energy instead of Shakti, she is my protector

Goddess. But for me and for many is the same.

>  

> Regards

> Neli

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Neli,

 

I hope you did not feel hate coming from me, as that was not my intention.  If

you did, let me apologize for any hurt or ill feelings that I may have caused

you.   I respect your right to your opinion.  I just did not agree with it. 

That does not make either one of us right or wrong in my opinion, but rather we

just agree to disagree.  I think everyone on this board is very loving and

passionate, and compassionate. And with all of those qualities, like any family

there will be times that everyone does not see things the same way. But

hopefully everyone will treat each other with respect, and listen with an open

heart and respectfully express themselves honestly without fear of any sort of

malicious retribution. Honest to goodness, I have searched my soul, and I did

not see anything that was maliciously directed at this person, but I may have

missed a post or two. You feel very strongly, so I am sure you have your

reasons. You must have

read a post and interpreted it in one way, and I may have read the same post

and interpreted it another. My soon to be ex husband and I had this happen ALL

the time, and we would argue until the cows came home, over who was right or

wrong. Looking back, how silly to waste all that energy. I guess we live and

learn.

 

Much Respect,

 

Sharon

--- On Fri, 7/11/08, neli neilim <neli_nelis wrote:

 

neli neilim <neli_nelis

Re: To whom it may concern:

 

Friday, July 11, 2008, 6:47 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Carol

 

Thanks for your reply, I was only trying to be honest, but this people is very

fan, and sided with Chrism, they cannot see something different, much less

respect someone that is different. Its not easy to put me down, I'm just

observing the reactions of hate of everyone upon me, and I am seeing the Shakti

light in each one of them, I was not negative, when I wrote the letter, but

honest, I was in Shakti at that moment, and also with Kali.

I call Kali to the K energy instead of Shakti, she is my protector Goddess. But

for me and for many is the same.

 

Regards

Neli

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Hello sweet echo,

 

Not reading your mind =]

 

The power of the tongue, pen, keyboard, only has the power that you

give it. Of itself it has none...just letters put together on a page.

We color everything with our own minds. Like coloring in a coloring

book. We choose the colors and the intentions.

 

Sprout your wings, sweet Julie Butterfly

 

Love,

dhyana

 

, Julie

<jewelport wrote:

>

>

>

>

> echo echo echo, are you reading my mind?dhyana.....my thoughts when

i read this post was of the power of the tongue (pen, keyboard) and

how they can be a two-edged sword..........also kept going through my

mind " love really needs no apologies " i'm sorry are two words that are

overused..........and underrated.........

>

> light and love to ALL.........i'm fixated on the spot between my

shoulders today, and the possibility of sprouting wings.....hehehe

>

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I agree. I couldn't find any negative posts either Sharon. I think

it is important that we all be able to express our opinions to one

another respectfully. We don't have to agree, but we can still do it

with finesse, yes?

 

Hugs,

 

Sarita

 

, Sharon Grubb

<sharongrbb2000 wrote:

>

> Dear Neli,

>  

> I hope you did not feel hate coming from me, as that was not my

intention.  If you did, let me apologize for any hurt or ill feelings

that I may have caused you.   I respect your right to your opinion. 

I just did not agree with it.  That does not make either one of us

right or wrong in my opinion, but rather we just agree to disagree. 

I think everyone on this board is very loving and passionate, and

compassionate. And with all of those qualities, like any family

there will be times that everyone does not see things the same way.

But hopefully everyone will treat each other with respect, and listen

with an open heart and respectfully express themselves honestly

without fear of any sort of malicious retribution. Honest to

goodness, I have searched my soul, and I did not see anything that

was maliciously directed at this person, but I may have missed a post

or two. You feel very strongly, so I am sure you have your reasons.

You must have

> read a post and interpreted it in one way, and I may have read the

same post and interpreted it another. My soon to be ex husband and I

had this happen ALL the time, and we would argue until the cows came

home, over who was right or wrong. Looking back, how silly to waste

all that energy. I guess we live and learn.

>

> Much Respect,

>

> Sharon

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