Psychiatry, or the Art of Pushing Drugs Legally

[Guest guest]

I have always been fairly cautions in undermining the work of

behavioral care professionals (and had quite a few disagreements with

Chrism on this issue, LOL!). However, after today's experience I am

afraid I need to revise my position on this matter.

 

My husband is severely depressed, and has been caught in a downward

spiral for quite a while now. Finally he got prescribed Effexor. After

crying his eyes out for the last two days, he was sent to a

psychiatrist. The guy didn't even bother talking to him. His student

had a cursory interview with him, then the big fat doc barged in and

said " you have bipolar disease and will have to be on drugs for the

rest of your life. " I would not have a problem with that, except that

my husband has none of the symptoms of bipolar disease. I cautiously

questioned the diagnosis, only to get patronized by the big fat doc:

" I know it's a difficult diagnosis to accept, but your physician

wouldn't have referred you to me if he didn't know how good I am. " He

didn't even try to make a rational argument to persuade me--of course,

how dare the worried wifey of a tearful patient question Scientific

Authority?

 

From now on, may I be damned if I say a word to defend the work of

legal drug pushers.

 

Sel

[Guest guest]

YIKES! Well we both know thats a screwed up Dx. Hope your not

following it. Please do not send your K to " help " the MD Selena! lol -

 

 

, " selena255 "

<selena wrote:

>

> I have always been fairly cautions in undermining the work of

> behavioral care professionals (and had quite a few disagreements with

> on this issue, LOL

[Guest guest]

I could help him lose some weight, and save some of his patients in

the process, too...

 

Sometimes kicking some butt is service, too--isn't it?

 

Sel

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> YIKES! Well we both know thats a screwed up Dx. Hope your not

> following it. Please do not send your K to " help " the MD Selena! lol -

>

>

> , " selena255 "

> <selena@> wrote:

> >

> > I have always been fairly cautions in undermining the work of

> > behavioral care professionals (and had quite a few disagreements with

> > on this issue, LOL

>

[Guest guest]

One part of depression is to do with food............70% of Seratonin is made in

the gut from what you eat. So its nutrition and DIGESTION.

 

I realize there is a lot to depression but thats where to ''start with

digestion''........then work from there.

Dont ask the DR tho as he has ''no clue and sadly no training either''.

 

I'm not really one for products at all........but we do have a great one here

for this problem and it works,so well in fact the Gov tried to shut it all down

and got defeated in Court later. Its called TRUEHOPE.

Blessings to you Both. Igor.

 

 

 

:

selena: Tue, 20 May 2008 20:15:54 +0000Subject:

Psychiatry, or the Art of Pushing Drugs Legally

 

 

 

 

I have always been fairly cautions in undermining the work ofbehavioral care

professionals (and had quite a few disagreements withChrism on this issue,

LOL!). However, after today's experience I amafraid I need to revise my position

on this matter.My husband is severely depressed, and has been caught in a

downwardspiral for quite a while now. Finally he got prescribed Effexor.

Aftercrying his eyes out for the last two days, he was sent to apsychiatrist.

The guy didn't even bother talking to him. His studenthad a cursory interview

with him, then the big fat doc barged in andsaid " you have bipolar disease and

will have to be on drugs for therest of your life. " I would not have a problem

with that, except thatmy husband has none of the symptoms of bipolar disease. I

cautiouslyquestioned the diagnosis, only to get patronized by the big fat doc: " I

know it's a difficult diagnosis to accept, but your physicianwouldn't have

referred you to me if he didn't know how good I am. " Hedidn't even try to make a

rational argument to persuade me--of course,how dare the worried wifey of a

tearful patient question ScientificAuthority? From now on, may I be damned if I

say a word to defend the work oflegal drug pushers.Sel

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Off in the distacne they heard a piercing scream and all at once they

knew......KALI was coming to get them! Their trowsers were never the

same....c

 

, " selena255 "

<selena wrote:

Sometimes kicking some butt is service, too--isn't it?

>

> Sel

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good Lord! If that isn't a prime example of ego based doctoring!

 

One thing I would like to mention about Effexor is that getting off

it is difficult for many people. I was going through the most

horrific symptoms (which nobody warned me of) trying to stop it. I

was moody, had electrical sensations running throughout my head and

body, headaches, throwing up... etc. There is tons of info on

Effexor Withdrawal on the net. I ended up diagnosing myself and when

I went to the doctor to inform him I needed to go back on it and wean

off slower, he just waved his hand and said " Oh yeah, Effexor

withdrawal, no big deal. " No big deal? It was a horrible experience

and I think it is sad that nobody warned me about it. I ended up

designing my own weaning schedule based on my symptoms and it took me

3-4 months to be completely free of it.

 

Please Sel, find another doctor for your hubby! He deserves to have

a solid evaluation by someone who is going to listen and welcomes

questions.

 

Sarita

 

, " selena255 "

<selena wrote:

>

> I have always been fairly cautions in undermining the work of

> behavioral care professionals (and had quite a few disagreements

with

> on this issue, LOL!). However, after today's experience I am

> afraid I need to revise my position on this matter.

>

> My husband is severely depressed, and has been caught in a downward

> spiral for quite a while now. Finally he got prescribed Effexor.

After

> crying his eyes out for the last two days, he was sent to a

> psychiatrist. The guy didn't even bother talking to him. His student

> had a cursory interview with him, then the big fat doc barged in and

> said " you have bipolar disease and will have to be on drugs for the

> rest of your life. " I would not have a problem with that, except

that

> my husband has none of the symptoms of bipolar disease. I cautiously

> questioned the diagnosis, only to get patronized by the big fat doc:

> " I know it's a difficult diagnosis to accept, but your physician

> wouldn't have referred you to me if he didn't know how good I am. "

He

> didn't even try to make a rational argument to persuade me--of

course,

> how dare the worried wifey of a tearful patient question Scientific

> Authority?

>

> From now on, may I be damned if I say a word to defend the work of

> legal drug pushers.

>

> Sel

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Sarita. I can really see how this stuff messes with people's

minds. My husband has taken Effexor for two days, and as of today he's

off it. He is still crying, but hopefully he's not addicted to it--not

yet.

 

BTW: that doctor is out!

 

Sel

 

, " Sarita "

<sarita1969 wrote:

>

> Good Lord! If that isn't a prime example of ego based doctoring!

>

> One thing I would like to mention about Effexor is that getting off

> it is difficult for many people. I was going through the most

> horrific symptoms (which nobody warned me of) trying to stop it. I

> was moody, had electrical sensations running throughout my head and

> body, headaches, throwing up... etc. There is tons of info on

> Effexor Withdrawal on the net. I ended up diagnosing myself and when

> I went to the doctor to inform him I needed to go back on it and wean

> off slower, he just waved his hand and said " Oh yeah, Effexor

> withdrawal, no big deal. " No big deal? It was a horrible experience

> and I think it is sad that nobody warned me about it. I ended up

> designing my own weaning schedule based on my symptoms and it took me

> 3-4 months to be completely free of it.

>

> Please Sel, find another doctor for your hubby! He deserves to have

> a solid evaluation by someone who is going to listen and welcomes

> questions.

>

> Sarita

>

> , " selena255 "

> <selena@> wrote:

> >

> > I have always been fairly cautions in undermining the work of

> > behavioral care professionals (and had quite a few disagreements

> with

> > on this issue, LOL!). However, after today's experience I am

> > afraid I need to revise my position on this matter.

> >

> > My husband is severely depressed, and has been caught in a downward

> > spiral for quite a while now. Finally he got prescribed Effexor.

> After

> > crying his eyes out for the last two days, he was sent to a

> > psychiatrist. The guy didn't even bother talking to him. His student

> > had a cursory interview with him, then the big fat doc barged in and

> > said " you have bipolar disease and will have to be on drugs for the

> > rest of your life. " I would not have a problem with that, except

> that

> > my husband has none of the symptoms of bipolar disease. I cautiously

> > questioned the diagnosis, only to get patronized by the big fat doc:

> > " I know it's a difficult diagnosis to accept, but your physician

> > wouldn't have referred you to me if he didn't know how good I am. "

> He

> > didn't even try to make a rational argument to persuade me--of

> course,

> > how dare the worried wifey of a tearful patient question Scientific

> > Authority?

> >

> > From now on, may I be damned if I say a word to defend the work of

> > legal drug pushers.

> >

> > Sel

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'll look into it, Igor. Thanks for your advice!

 

Sel

[Guest guest]

He better be afraid... V E R Y afraid!!!

 

LOL!

 

Sel

 

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> Off in the distacne they heard a piercing scream and all at once they

> knew......KALI was coming to get them! Their trowsers were never the

> same....c

>

> , " selena255 "

> <selena@> wrote:

> Sometimes kicking some butt is service, too--isn't it?

> >

> > Sel

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Selena, a week or so ago Dr. John Gray was on C2C and spoke about the

cause of depression in men and women. He said for men they are low

in dopamine and for women it is a lack of Seritonin. For men they

need to take Velvet Bean to help balance the dopamine level and for

women they need parfonia bean (sp). Dr. John Gray is the guy who

wrote men are from Mars and women from Venus. Check it out here, if

it is of interest.

 

http://www.marsvenus.com/xcart/product.php?

productid=147 & xid=04f9c07d07ccfdc1e016888f31eeb55a

 

Linda

 

, " selena255 "

<selena wrote:

>

> I have always been fairly cautions in undermining the work of

> behavioral care professionals (and had quite a few disagreements

with

> on this issue, LOL!). However, after today's experience I am

> afraid I need to revise my position on this matter.

>

> My husband is severely depressed, and has been caught in a downward

> spiral for quite a while now. Finally he got prescribed Effexor.

After

> crying his eyes out for the last two days, he was sent to a

> psychiatrist. The guy didn't even bother talking to him. His student

> had a cursory interview with him, then the big fat doc barged in and

> said " you have bipolar disease and will have to be on drugs for the

> rest of your life. " I would not have a problem with that, except

that

> my husband has none of the symptoms of bipolar disease. I cautiously

> questioned the diagnosis, only to get patronized by the big fat doc:

> " I know it's a difficult diagnosis to accept, but your physician

> wouldn't have referred you to me if he didn't know how good I am. "

He

> didn't even try to make a rational argument to persuade me--of

course,

> how dare the worried wifey of a tearful patient question Scientific

> Authority?

>

> From now on, may I be damned if I say a word to defend the work of

> legal drug pushers.

>

> Sel

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the club Selena. When all you have is a hammer, a lot of

problems look like nails.

 

Peter

 

 

, " selena255 "

<selena wrote:

>

> I have always been fairly cautions in undermining the work of

> behavioral care professionals (and had quite a few disagreements with

> on this issue, LOL!). However, after today's experience I am

> afraid I need to revise my position on this matter.

>

> My husband is severely depressed, and has been caught in a downward

> spiral for quite a while now. Finally he got prescribed Effexor. After

> crying his eyes out for the last two days, he was sent to a

> psychiatrist. The guy didn't even bother talking to him. His student

> had a cursory interview with him, then the big fat doc barged in and

> said " you have bipolar disease and will have to be on drugs for the

> rest of your life. " I would not have a problem with that, except that

> my husband has none of the symptoms of bipolar disease. I cautiously

> questioned the diagnosis, only to get patronized by the big fat doc:

> " I know it's a difficult diagnosis to accept, but your physician

> wouldn't have referred you to me if he didn't know how good I am. " He

> didn't even try to make a rational argument to persuade me--of course,

> how dare the worried wifey of a tearful patient question Scientific

> Authority?

>

> From now on, may I be damned if I say a word to defend the work of

> legal drug pushers.

>

> Sel

>

[Guest guest]

Sounds like a real gas! - oops - SORRY! - c

 

, " Linda "

<crazycats711 wrote:

>

For men they

> need to take Velvet Bean to help balance the dopamine level and for

> women they need parfonia bean (sp).

[Guest guest]

Peter,

 

thanks for saying that. It's so true! I'll frame it and hang it up in

my office!

 

Sel

 

,

" peter.nichols " <peter wrote:

>

> Welcome to the club Selena. When all you have is a hammer, a lot of

> problems look like nails.

>

> Peter

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sel,

 

LOL! Glad I could help!

 

But it's true. In my younger days I thought I wanted to be an MD and

took premed and thought very scientifically. When I started taking

acupuncture and herbal classes, I explained it to myself as nerve

blocking and yet to be discovered alkaloids. After about a year and a

half suddenly it all made beautiful sense. Of course you can have an

invasion of cold wind that brings low fever, chills, and a desire to

drink hot liquids, slow pulse, a white tongue, and a desire to hide

under the covers. I can't go back now, and the fact that MDs want to

prescribe the same medications for roughly the same symptoms just

blows my mind. Then one day I realized, my western MD as good as she

is, is not treating me, but a statistical sample that I may or may not

resemble. Madness.

 

Peter

 

 

 

, " selena255 "

<selena wrote:

> thanks for saying that. It's so true! I'll frame it and hang it up in

> my office!

[Guest guest]

I would echo what everyone else has said and add my own 2 cents ... I was

clinically depressed from grade school though the age of 40 (more or less). Up

until about 4-5 years ago I used to buy the so-called " scientific " idea that

chemicals cause depression. I decided to stop taking the meds though because the

side effects (and the cost) were worse than my emotional turmoil. Finally I

reached rock bottom and a friend recommended I take a personal growth class. I

was desperate, but I didn't really believe taking a class would make much

difference.

 

A couple weeks after that class, one of the team leaders (grads who volunteer to

help new students) said to me " Oh my god Brandi you are actually smiling! " ...

as miserable as I was, I thought I smiled during the class at some point, but he

said " It never reached your eyes " .

 

People now ask me how it can be I'm so happy. It makes me laugh, because

" miserable " was such an ingrained part of my self-image I never thought the day

would come when I would be able to say " I'm happy " .

 

I experienced a miracle overcoming depression from this class, and nothing else

I tried helped. By all means try the diets and supplements and see another

doctor. Don't rule out the cognitive approach, get into some kind of

experiential class if you can - books and ideas I got from people online only

took me so far. I needed mentoring to get these concepts to " stick " . The class I

took is sort of going through a transformative process right now, I don't know

what the future holds for it in Toronto, but there is a class in Rochester NY

based on the same process: http://www.lifestreamrochester.com/ ... I got a lot

out of Caroline Myss's Book " Why People Don't Heal " and one called " Feeling

Good " by David Burns.

 

Brandi

 

 

[Guest guest]

LOL! Chrism! Gosh dang! I don't think they use the whole bean to make

those pills, if they do surely they removed the gas producing

part.

 

Anyways, I guess I should have done more research before posting

about that. Here is a website where you can read about the benefits

of the velvet bean. It looks like it has more benefits than the

balance of hormones to help with depression.

http://rain-tree.com/velvetbean.htm

What was said about it on C2C sounded like a good thing to me.

 

I have mostly been my own doctor for many years now. When I went

through menopause I refuse to take the horse piss pills prescribed by

my doctor. I did try the patch for that about a week, which was

enough for me to know it was not for me.

I found my own alternative for that and one of the thing I took was

5HTP for a while which was a big help for me. It is one of the

ingredient in the pill for women, that Dr. Gray spoke of. I looked up

the name and it is Griffonia simplicifolia. Sorry I should have

looked that up before posting.

 

http://www.affordablesupplements.com/5-htp_natures_way.asp

 

The other thing I took was DIM.

http://www.energeticnutrition.com/vitalzym/dim.html

This is what helped me more than anything. I just wish I had known

about it in my 40's. My daughter is taking DIM now at my advice for

some problems she has been experiencing and it is helping her. She

will be 40 this year.

 

This is something that men can take for hormonal imbalances as well.

 

Blessings,

Linda

 

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> Sounds like a real gas! - oops - SORRY! - c

>

> , " Linda "

> <crazycats711@> wrote:

> >

> For men they

> > need to take Velvet Bean to help balance the dopamine level and

for

> > women they need parfonia bean (sp).

>

[Guest guest]

I agree.

 

I have worked as a psychiatric RN (mostly in that area) since 1976.

 

We all all 'Legal Drug Pushers " .

The whole " medical system " is in a mess.

 

You got a problem?

The system looks at you for a few seconds and says " take this dope " .

 

You are dying?

The system takes you in...looks at you for a few days (seconds at a

time each day) and says " take more dope until you die or get better " .

 

Periodically the system malfunctions and helps people.

 

Or perhaps the people survive despite the system?

 

The Human Body is an amazing self regulating machine.

The less we " mess with it " the better it seems to do.

 

Feed it correctly.

Exercise it correctly.

Let it rest correctly.

It will heal itself!

 

Looking foward to retirement from the " Medical Machine " !

 

:)

Stephen

 

 

 

, " selena255 "

<selena wrote:

>

> I have always been fairly cautions in undermining the work of

> behavioral care professionals (and had quite a few disagreements

with

> on this issue, LOL!). However, after today's experience I am

> afraid I need to revise my position on this matter.

>

> My husband is severely depressed, and has been caught in a downward

> spiral for quite a while now. Finally he got prescribed Effexor.

After

> crying his eyes out for the last two days, he was sent to a

> psychiatrist. The guy didn't even bother talking to him. His student

> had a cursory interview with him, then the big fat doc barged in and

> said " you have bipolar disease and will have to be on drugs for the

> rest of your life. " I would not have a problem with that, except

that

> my husband has none of the symptoms of bipolar disease. I cautiously

> questioned the diagnosis, only to get patronized by the big fat doc:

> " I know it's a difficult diagnosis to accept, but your physician

> wouldn't have referred you to me if he didn't know how good I am. "

He

> didn't even try to make a rational argument to persuade me--of

course,

> how dare the worried wifey of a tearful patient question Scientific

> Authority?

>

> From now on, may I be damned if I say a word to defend the work of

> legal drug pushers.

>

> Sel

>