Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2007 My 21-year-old nephew (Kenny) and his roommate/best friend (Thomas) were murdered in a robbery attempt in their home 5 years ago July 26. Another friend (John) was staying at the house at the time, and he narrowly escaped being shot. The three of them had walked to a nearby convenience store to get some beer; in the convenience store, a friendly conversation had started up with some other boys there. The five young men left the store together, and Kenny and Thomas invited the strangers to their house, where they sat on the porch and drank a beer. The strangers left, and eventually Kenny, Thomas & John went to sleep. Around 2 a.m., the strangers came back, broke into their house, and ordered then to sit on the porch while they helped themselves to their belongings. They took $20 from one of the boys, which was all the cash the three of them had. They came upon Kenny's DVD player and Kenny heard them talking about it from the porch. He walked into the house and asked them not to take his DVD player. One of the strangers lost it and shot Kenny. Thomas ran in to check on his best friend when he heard the shots and the strangers shot him. John dove behind the sofa as more shots were fired while the strangers were running out of the house. John went to Kenny and Thomas; Kenny was already dead and Thomas died shortly thereafter. The strangers were caught and identified by John; they are now in prison for life...one was 21 and the other, the shooter, was 17. They killed two young men for $20. Kenny was an absolute angel. He was easy going and friendly and loved to laugh. He made friends easily and always had a smile on his face. He was the kind of kid who would hug his parents and aunts and tell them that he loved them. He is missed so much! Kenny had been talking a lot to his mother before his death about God and had started to go to church with her. The day before Kenny died, his mother prayed that God would give Kenny some sort of confirmation that He is real. Kenny appeared to his mother the day after he died and told her 'There IS a God! This place is awesome!' He told her that he was fine and that he had forgiven the killer. His mother had some terrifying thoughts right after he was killed that she had somehow invited God to take Kenny in order to answer her prayer, but of course, that is not the case. She accepts his death and tells me that she speaks with him often. My brother, Kenny's father, had a terribly hard time with Kenny's death...he was their youngest. But he told the judge in the murder trial that he was not in favor of the shooter getting the death sentence. Forgiveness can be an excruiciating challenge. But it is absolutely necessary if we are to be spiritually free, IMHO. For me, the fact that Kenny was able immediately to forgive the person who so thoughtlessly took his young life speaks volumes about ascendance. God bless you, Ron. Blessings & love, Claudia --- Katherine Miller <katsam19 wrote: > Rod, I know where you are coming from. My son was > hit when he was 4 years old and although it was not > intentional, what upset me the most is that the guy > used his past position as a police officer to excuse > his driving. He was going 45 in a 15 mph speed zone. > After hitting my child he stopped the vehicle and go > out screaming, I wasn't speeding I am an ex-police > officer and I wouldn't speed over and over again. He > was more concerned with letting people know that > rather than worrying about my 4 year old laying in > the road. Then a couple of weeks later I was out in > the yard and I saw this same guy speeding down the > road once again, clearly not going the speed limit. > Anyway, it is hard to forgive and especially if you > know that person did something on purpose to hurt > someone you love, but you are strong and better than > that person. Look deep within you and allow yourself > to let it go so that you can forgive him. May peace > be with you and your wife! > > Love, > Katherine > > > > rodneyderbyshire > <rodneyderbyshire > > Monday, May 28, 2007 7:37:17 PM > forgiveness > > Hi group > I am struggling with forgiving,I have gone back > through my life > and forgiven everything that needs forgiving. > My problem is that I can forgive now this minute and > really mean > it.Tomorrow I will think of one particular incident, > and I will get > angry and want revenge or justice.Briefly, my wife > was run down by two > car thieves as they were getting away.These things > happen aqnd I can > forgive them.What I struggle with is, the owner of > the car was on his > car phone when they dragged him out,and his boss > taped their > conversation as they drove away.The thief who was > driving laughingly > admitted to his partner that he ran her down on > purpose.This is > difficult to forgive.I ask myself what will my > reactions be if I EVER > FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE.I would like to think that I > would tell them > that we forgive them,genuinly. > When I see her limping,I think bad thoughts. > > Love > Rod > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____Building > a website is a piece of cake. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2007 Good Lord! So, that is what happened to Kenny? What a shame for all of them. Sarita , Claudia Lambright <newtfoodbowl wrote: > > My 21-year-old nephew (Kenny) and his roommate/best > friend (Thomas) were murdered in a robbery attempt in > their home 5 years ago July 26. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2007 Oh, dear Claudia, that story is so sad yet so inspiring! I read it to Sam and told him to use it as a lesson that there is a God. Although he believes there is, I told him sometimes in life things happen to make you question His existence so it is left up to him to build his faith in God and know that no matter what never forget God exists. Thank you so much, many lessons to be learned from this! Love, Katherine Claudia Lambright <newtfoodbowl Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:21:28 AM Re: forgiveness/ascendance My 21-year-old nephew (Kenny) and his roommate/best friend (Thomas) were murdered in a robbery attempt in their home 5 years ago July 26. Another friend (John) was staying at the house at the time, and he narrowly escaped being shot. The three of them had walked to a nearby convenience store to get some beer; in the convenience store, a friendly conversation had started up with some other boys there. The five young men left the store together, and Kenny and Thomas invited the strangers to their house, where they sat on the porch and drank a beer. The strangers left, and eventually Kenny, Thomas & John went to sleep. Around 2 a.m., the strangers came back, broke into their house, and ordered then to sit on the porch while they helped themselves to their belongings. They took $20 from one of the boys, which was all the cash the three of them had. They came upon Kenny's DVD player and Kenny heard them talking about it from the porch. He walked into the house and asked them not to take his DVD player. One of the strangers lost it and shot Kenny. Thomas ran in to check on his best friend when he heard the shots and the strangers shot him. John dove behind the sofa as more shots were fired while the strangers were running out of the house. John went to Kenny and Thomas; Kenny was already dead and Thomas died shortly thereafter. The strangers were caught and identified by John; they are now in prison for life...one was 21 and the other, the shooter, was 17. They killed two young men for $20. Kenny was an absolute angel. He was easy going and friendly and loved to laugh. He made friends easily and always had a smile on his face. He was the kind of kid who would hug his parents and aunts and tell them that he loved them. He is missed so much! Kenny had been talking a lot to his mother before his death about God and had started to go to church with her. The day before Kenny died, his mother prayed that God would give Kenny some sort of confirmation that He is real. Kenny appeared to his mother the day after he died and told her 'There IS a God! This place is awesome!' He told her that he was fine and that he had forgiven the killer. His mother had some terrifying thoughts right after he was killed that she had somehow invited God to take Kenny in order to answer her prayer, but of course, that is not the case. She accepts his death and tells me that she speaks with him often. My brother, Kenny's father, had a terribly hard time with Kenny's death...he was their youngest. But he told the judge in the murder trial that he was not in favor of the shooter getting the death sentence. Forgiveness can be an excruiciating challenge. But it is absolutely necessary if we are to be spiritually free, IMHO. For me, the fact that Kenny was able immediately to forgive the person who so thoughtlessly took his young life speaks volumes about ascendance. God bless you, Ron. Blessings & love, Claudia --- Katherine Miller <katsam19 > wrote: > Rod, I know where you are coming from. My son was > hit when he was 4 years old and although it was not > intentional, what upset me the most is that the guy > used his past position as a police officer to excuse > his driving. He was going 45 in a 15 mph speed zone. > After hitting my child he stopped the vehicle and go > out screaming, I wasn't speeding I am an ex-police > officer and I wouldn't speed over and over again. He > was more concerned with letting people know that > rather than worrying about my 4 year old laying in > the road. Then a couple of weeks later I was out in > the yard and I saw this same guy speeding down the > road once again, clearly not going the speed limit. > Anyway, it is hard to forgive and especially if you > know that person did something on purpose to hurt > someone you love, but you are strong and better than > that person. Look deep within you and allow yourself > to let it go so that you can forgive him. May peace > be with you and your wife! > > Love, > Katherine > > > > rodneyderbyshire > <rodneyderbyshire@ .co. uk> > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 > Monday, May 28, 2007 7:37:17 PM > [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] forgiveness > > Hi group > I am struggling with forgiving,I have gone back > through my life > and forgiven everything that needs forgiving. > My problem is that I can forgive now this minute and > really mean > it.Tomorrow I will think of one particular incident, > and I will get > angry and want revenge or justice.Briefly, my wife > was run down by two > car thieves as they were getting away.These things > happen aqnd I can > forgive them.What I struggle with is, the owner of > the car was on his > car phone when they dragged him out,and his boss > taped their > conversation as they drove away.The thief who was > driving laughingly > admitted to his partner that he ran her down on > purpose.This is > difficult to forgive.I ask myself what will my > reactions be if I EVER > FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE.I would like to think that I > would tell them > that we forgive them,genuinly. > When I see her limping,I think bad thoughts. > > Love > Rod > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Building > a website is a piece of cake. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2007 Yes, and essentially, four lives were lost that day...those of Kenny and Thomas AND the two killers. Claudia --- Sarita <sarita1969 wrote: > Good Lord! So, that is what happened to Kenny? > What a shame for all > of them. > > Sarita > > --- In > , > Claudia Lambright > <newtfoodbowl wrote: > > > > My 21-year-old nephew (Kenny) and his > roommate/best > > friend (Thomas) were murdered in a robbery attempt > in > > their home 5 years ago July 26. > > ______________________________\ ____You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/newmail_html.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2007 Wow, Kat, I'm so glad that you were able to use that sad story for something positive. Love, Claudia --- Katherine Miller <katsam19 wrote: > Oh, dear Claudia, that story is so sad yet so > inspiring! I read it to Sam and told him to use it > as a lesson that there is a God. Although he > believes there is, I told him sometimes in life > things happen to make you question His existence so > it is left up to him to build his faith in God and > know that no matter what never forget God exists. > Thank you so much, many lessons to be learned from > this! > > Love, > Katherine > > > > Claudia Lambright <newtfoodbowl > > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:21:28 AM > Re: > forgiveness/ascendance > > My 21-year-old nephew (Kenny) and his roommate/best > friend (Thomas) were murdered in a robbery attempt > in > their home 5 years ago July 26. Another friend > (John) > was staying at the house at the time, and he > narrowly > escaped being shot. The three of them had walked to > a > nearby convenience store to get some beer; in the > convenience store, a friendly conversation had > started > up with some other boys there. The five young men > left the store together, and Kenny and Thomas > invited > the strangers to their house, where they sat on the > porch and drank a beer. The strangers left, and > eventually Kenny, Thomas & John went to sleep. > Around > 2 a.m., the strangers came back, broke into their > house, and ordered then to sit on the porch while > they > helped themselves to their belongings. They took $20 > from one of the boys, which was all the cash the > three > of them had. They came upon Kenny's DVD player and > Kenny heard them talking about it from the porch. He > walked into the house and asked them not to take his > DVD player. One of the strangers lost it and shot > Kenny. Thomas ran in to check on his best friend > when > he heard the shots and the strangers shot him. John > dove behind the sofa as more shots were fired while > the strangers were running out of the house. John > went to Kenny and Thomas; Kenny was already dead and > Thomas died shortly thereafter. > > The strangers were caught and identified by John; > they > are now in prison for life...one was 21 and the > other, > the shooter, was 17. They killed two young men for > $20. > > Kenny was an absolute angel. He was easy going and > friendly and loved to laugh. He made friends easily > and always had a smile on his face. He was the kind > of kid who would hug his parents and aunts and tell > them that he loved them. He is missed so much! > > Kenny had been talking a lot to his mother before > his > death about God and had started to go to church with > her. The day before Kenny died, his mother prayed > that God would give Kenny some sort of confirmation > that He is real. Kenny appeared to his mother the > day > after he died and told her 'There IS a God! This > place is awesome!' He told her that he was fine and > that he had forgiven the killer. His mother had some > terrifying thoughts right after he was killed that > she > had somehow invited God to take Kenny in order to > answer her prayer, but of course, that is not the > case. She accepts his death and tells me that she > speaks with him often. My brother, Kenny's father, > had a terribly hard time with Kenny's death...he was > their youngest. But he told the judge in the murder > trial that he was not in favor of the shooter > getting > the death sentence. > > Forgiveness can be an excruiciating challenge. But > it > is absolutely necessary if we are to be spiritually > free, IMHO. For me, the fact that Kenny was able > immediately to forgive the person who so > thoughtlessly > took his young life speaks volumes about ascendance. > > > God bless you, Ron. > > Blessings & love, > Claudia > > --- Katherine Miller <katsam19 > wrote: > > > Rod, I know where you are coming from. My son was > > hit when he was 4 years old and although it was > not > > intentional, what upset me the most is that the > guy > > used his past position as a police officer to > excuse > > his driving. He was going 45 in a 15 mph speed > zone. > > After hitting my child he stopped the vehicle and > go > > out screaming, I wasn't speeding I am an ex-police > > officer and I wouldn't speed over and over again. > He > > was more concerned with letting people know that > > rather than worrying about my 4 year old laying in > > the road. Then a couple of weeks later I was out > in > > the yard and I saw this same guy speeding down the > > road once again, clearly not going the speed > limit. > > Anyway, it is hard to forgive and especially if > you > > know that person did something on purpose to hurt > > someone you love, but you are strong and better > than > > that person. Look deep within you and allow > yourself > > to let it go so that you can forgive him. May > peace > > be with you and your wife! > > > > Love, > > Katherine > > > > > > > > rodneyderbyshire > > <rodneyderbyshire@ .co. uk> > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 (AT) (DOT) > com > > Monday, May 28, 2007 7:37:17 PM > > [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] > forgiveness > > > > Hi group > > I am struggling with forgiving,I have gone back > > through my life > > and forgiven everything that needs forgiving. > > My problem is that I can forgive now this minute > and > > really mean > > it.Tomorrow I will think of one particular > incident, > > and I will get > > angry and want revenge or justice.Briefly, my wife > > was run down by two > > car thieves as they were getting away.These things > > happen aqnd I can > > forgive them.What I struggle with is, the owner of > > the car was on his > > car phone when they dragged him out,and his boss > > taped their > > conversation as they drove away.The thief who was > > driving laughingly > > admitted to his partner that he ran her down on > > purpose.This is > > difficult to forgive.I ask myself what will my > > reactions be if I EVER > > FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE.I would like to think that I > > would tell them > > that we forgive them,genuinly. > > When I see her limping,I think bad thoughts. > > > > Love > > Rod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > _________ _Building > > a website is a piece of cake. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2007 What a touching story, seems like many of us here have been touched by murder, death and accidents. Kenny sounds like a wondeful boy, but then again, it's always the good ones it seems. The three people I've lost in sad circumstances were all amazing people, young and vibrant, full of joy. I think that heaven sometimes needs some extra angels and so takes the best ones!!! My heart is with you and his family, you are very brave and so is his mother it seems. What a blessing that his mum was able to speak with him, this must bring a great deal of comfort to her. Thankyou for sharing your story about Kenny with us, when we forgive we bring peace to those who have passed over also I believe. Big hug Elektra x x x --- Claudia Lambright <newtfoodbowl wrote: > My 21-year-old nephew (Kenny) and his roommate/best > friend (Thomas) were murdered in a robbery attempt > in > their home 5 years ago July 26. Another friend > (John) > was staying at the house at the time, and he > narrowly > escaped being shot. The three of them had walked to > a > nearby convenience store to get some beer; in the > convenience store, a friendly conversation had > started > up with some other boys there. The five young men > left the store together, and Kenny and Thomas > invited > the strangers to their house, where they sat on the > porch and drank a beer. The strangers left, and > eventually Kenny, Thomas & John went to sleep. > Around > 2 a.m., the strangers came back, broke into their > house, and ordered then to sit on the porch while > they > helped themselves to their belongings. They took > $20 > from one of the boys, which was all the cash the > three > of them had. They came upon Kenny's DVD player and > Kenny heard them talking about it from the porch. > He > walked into the house and asked them not to take his > DVD player. One of the strangers lost it and shot > Kenny. Thomas ran in to check on his best friend > when > he heard the shots and the strangers shot him. John > dove behind the sofa as more shots were fired while > the strangers were running out of the house. John > went to Kenny and Thomas; Kenny was already dead and > Thomas died shortly thereafter. > > The strangers were caught and identified by John; > they > are now in prison for life...one was 21 and the > other, > the shooter, was 17. They killed two young men for > $20. > > Kenny was an absolute angel. He was easy going and > friendly and loved to laugh. He made friends easily > and always had a smile on his face. He was the kind > of kid who would hug his parents and aunts and tell > them that he loved them. He is missed so much! > > Kenny had been talking a lot to his mother before > his > death about God and had started to go to church with > her. The day before Kenny died, his mother prayed > that God would give Kenny some sort of confirmation > that He is real. Kenny appeared to his mother the > day > after he died and told her 'There IS a God! This > place is awesome!' He told her that he was fine and > that he had forgiven the killer. His mother had > some > terrifying thoughts right after he was killed that > she > had somehow invited God to take Kenny in order to > answer her prayer, but of course, that is not the > case. She accepts his death and tells me that she > speaks with him often. My brother, Kenny's father, > had a terribly hard time with Kenny's death...he was > their youngest. But he told the judge in the murder > trial that he was not in favor of the shooter > getting > the death sentence. > > Forgiveness can be an excruiciating challenge. But > it > is absolutely necessary if we are to be spiritually > free, IMHO. For me, the fact that Kenny was able > immediately to forgive the person who so > thoughtlessly > took his young life speaks volumes about ascendance. > > > God bless you, Ron. > > Blessings & love, > Claudia > > --- Katherine Miller <katsam19 wrote: > > > Rod, I know where you are coming from. My son was > > hit when he was 4 years old and although it was > not > > intentional, what upset me the most is that the > guy > > used his past position as a police officer to > excuse > > his driving. He was going 45 in a 15 mph speed > zone. > > After hitting my child he stopped the vehicle and > go > > out screaming, I wasn't speeding I am an ex-police > > officer and I wouldn't speed over and over again. > He > > was more concerned with letting people know that > > rather than worrying about my 4 year old laying in > > the road. Then a couple of weeks later I was out > in > > the yard and I saw this same guy speeding down the > > road once again, clearly not going the speed > limit. > > Anyway, it is hard to forgive and especially if > you > > know that person did something on purpose to hurt > > someone you love, but you are strong and better > than > > that person. Look deep within you and allow > yourself > > to let it go so that you can forgive him. May > peace > > be with you and your wife! > > > > Love, > > Katherine > > > > > > > > rodneyderbyshire > > <rodneyderbyshire > > > > Monday, May 28, 2007 7:37:17 PM > > > forgiveness > > > > Hi group > > I am struggling with forgiving,I have gone back > > through my life > > and forgiven everything that needs forgiving. > > My problem is that I can forgive now this minute > and > > really mean > > it.Tomorrow I will think of one particular > incident, > > and I will get > > angry and want revenge or justice.Briefly, my wife > > was run down by two > > car thieves as they were getting away.These things > > happen aqnd I can > > forgive them.What I struggle with is, the owner of > > the car was on his > > car phone when they dragged him out,and his boss > > taped their > > conversation as they drove away.The thief who was > > driving laughingly > > admitted to his partner that he ran her down on > > purpose.This is > > difficult to forgive.I ask myself what will my > > reactions be if I EVER > > FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE.I would like to think that I > > would tell them > > that we forgive them,genuinly. > > When I see her limping,I think bad thoughts. > > > > Love > > Rod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____Building > > a website is a piece of cake. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2007 " when we forgive we bring peace to those who have > passed over also I believe. " I agree with you, Elektra. And I know you have also suffered the loss of your sister, and I know that was difficult to forgive, too. I'm so glad that my ex-sister-in-law is open to communication from Kenny, because it has brought her peace...I only wish my brother would get some communication from Kenny, because he still misses him so. I was lucky to have Kenny come to me in a dream a couple of months after he died, and it meant a lot to me to know that he is fine and happy. Thank you for your kind words and the big hug, Love, Claudia --- Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote: > What a touching story, seems like many of us here > have > been touched by murder, death and accidents. > Kenny sounds like a wondeful boy, but then again, > it's > always the good ones it seems. > The three people I've lost in sad circumstances were > all amazing people, young and vibrant, full of joy. > I think that heaven sometimes needs some extra > angels > and so takes the best ones!!! > My heart is with you and his family, you are very > brave and so is his mother it seems. > What a blessing that his mum was able to speak with > him, this must bring a great deal of comfort to her. > Thankyou for sharing your story about Kenny with us, > when we forgive we bring peace to those who have > passed over also I believe. > > Big hug Elektra x x x > > --- Claudia Lambright <newtfoodbowl > wrote: > > > My 21-year-old nephew (Kenny) and his > roommate/best > > friend (Thomas) were murdered in a robbery attempt > > in > > their home 5 years ago July 26. Another friend > > (John) > > was staying at the house at the time, and he > > narrowly > > escaped being shot. The three of them had walked > to > > a > > nearby convenience store to get some beer; in the > > convenience store, a friendly conversation had > > started > > up with some other boys there. The five young men > > left the store together, and Kenny and Thomas > > invited > > the strangers to their house, where they sat on > the > > porch and drank a beer. The strangers left, and > > eventually Kenny, Thomas & John went to sleep. > > Around > > 2 a.m., the strangers came back, broke into their > > house, and ordered then to sit on the porch while > > they > > helped themselves to their belongings. They took > > $20 > > from one of the boys, which was all the cash the > > three > > of them had. They came upon Kenny's DVD player > and > > Kenny heard them talking about it from the porch. > > He > > walked into the house and asked them not to take > his > > DVD player. One of the strangers lost it and shot > > Kenny. Thomas ran in to check on his best friend > > when > > he heard the shots and the strangers shot him. > John > > dove behind the sofa as more shots were fired > while > > the strangers were running out of the house. John > > went to Kenny and Thomas; Kenny was already dead > and > > Thomas died shortly thereafter. > > > > The strangers were caught and identified by John; > > they > > are now in prison for life...one was 21 and the > > other, > > the shooter, was 17. They killed two young men > for > > $20. > > > > Kenny was an absolute angel. He was easy going > and > > friendly and loved to laugh. He made friends > easily > > and always had a smile on his face. He was the > kind > > of kid who would hug his parents and aunts and > tell > > them that he loved them. He is missed so much! > > > > Kenny had been talking a lot to his mother before > > his > > death about God and had started to go to church > with > > her. The day before Kenny died, his mother prayed > > that God would give Kenny some sort of > confirmation > > that He is real. Kenny appeared to his mother the > > day > > after he died and told her 'There IS a God! This > > place is awesome!' He told her that he was fine > and > > that he had forgiven the killer. His mother had > > some > > terrifying thoughts right after he was killed that > > she > > had somehow invited God to take Kenny in order to > > answer her prayer, but of course, that is not the > > case. She accepts his death and tells me that she > > speaks with him often. My brother, Kenny's > father, > > had a terribly hard time with Kenny's death...he > was > > their youngest. But he told the judge in the > murder > > trial that he was not in favor of the shooter > > getting > > the death sentence. > > > > Forgiveness can be an excruiciating challenge. > But > > it > > is absolutely necessary if we are to be > spiritually > > free, IMHO. For me, the fact that Kenny was able > > immediately to forgive the person who so > > thoughtlessly > > took his young life speaks volumes about > ascendance. > > > > > > God bless you, Ron. > > > > Blessings & love, > > Claudia > > > > --- Katherine Miller <katsam19 wrote: > > > > > Rod, I know where you are coming from. My son > was > > > hit when he was 4 years old and although it was > > not > > > intentional, what upset me the most is that the > > guy > > > used his past position as a police officer to > > excuse > > > his driving. He was going 45 in a 15 mph speed > > zone. > > > After hitting my child he stopped the vehicle > and > > go > > > out screaming, I wasn't speeding I am an > ex-police > > > officer and I wouldn't speed over and over > again. > > He > > > was more concerned with letting people know that > > > rather than worrying about my 4 year old laying > in > > > the road. Then a couple of weeks later I was out > > in > > > the yard and I saw this same guy speeding down > the > > > road once again, clearly not going the speed > > limit. > > > Anyway, it is hard to forgive and especially if > > you > > > know that person did something on purpose to > hurt > > > someone you love, but you are strong and better > > than > > > that person. Look deep within you and allow > > yourself > > > to let it go so that you can forgive him. May > > peace > > > be with you and your wife! > > > > > > Love, > > > Katherine > > > > > > > > > > > > rodneyderbyshire > > > <rodneyderbyshire > > > To: > > > > Monday, May 28, 2007 7:37:17 PM > > > > > forgiveness > > > > > > Hi group > > > I am struggling with forgiving,I have gone back > > > through my life > > > and forgiven everything that needs forgiving. > > > My problem is that I can forgive now this minute > > and > > > really mean > > > it.Tomorrow I will think of one particular > > incident, > > > and I will get > > > angry and want revenge or justice.Briefly, my > wife > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search http://search./search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=graduation+gifts & cs=bz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2007 I guess I can tell about mine, too. I have had two of my siblings murdered. My sister was only 16 years old. She was raped and killed, but the constable of the little town in which we lived reported it as a suicide, but of course we all new better and so did he. The killer and rapist was left free and almost did the same to another sister, but she was smart and took no chances and had pistol with her at the time. It scared the man so bad he had a heart attack, right there in front of her. She went to get help, but he was dead by the time the time they got there. My youngest brother and the sister that was mudered, were very close. He blame himself for what happened (that he wasn't there to protect her) and had mental problems after that. About 20 years ago he walked away from all family and became a homeless person. He was found dead/murdered in a parking lot in Fort Worth. His killer got away free, as well. I would say it effected that youngest sister very much too, to be carrying a gun around with her. They both could have used some counciling for sure, but my parents were not so well off to afford that. That youngest sister died when she when she was only about 22, I think it was. She died of chicken pox going to her lungs. That's another sad story in itself. She left behind a two year old daughter. Right now, I am the only one in the family that this daughter stays in contact with. It's a sad situation. My family has a lot of problems. I have had dream visits from all three of them. I know they are all doing well and are OK now. That does helps in being able to forgive all that were involved in what took place. Blessings CC , Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote: > > What a touching story, seems like many of us here have > been touched by murder, death and accidents. > Kenny sounds like a wondeful boy, but then again, it's > always the good ones it seems. > The three people I've lost in sad circumstances were > all amazing people, young and vibrant, full of joy. > I think that heaven sometimes needs some extra angels > and so takes the best ones!!! > My heart is with you and his family, you are very > brave and so is his mother it seems. > What a blessing that his mum was able to speak with > him, this must bring a great deal of comfort to her. > Thankyou for sharing your story about Kenny with us, > when we forgive we bring peace to those who have > passed over also I believe. > > Big hug Elektra x x x > > --- Claudia Lambright <newtfoodbowl wrote: > > > My 21-year-old nephew (Kenny) and his roommate/best > > friend (Thomas) were murdered in a robbery attempt > > in > > their home 5 years ago July 26. Another friend > > (John) > > was staying at the house at the time, and he > > narrowly > > escaped being shot. The three of them had walked to > > a > > nearby convenience store to get some beer; in the > > convenience store, a friendly conversation had > > started > > up with some other boys there. The five young men > > left the store together, and Kenny and Thomas > > invited > > the strangers to their house, where they sat on the > > porch and drank a beer. The strangers left, and > > eventually Kenny, Thomas & John went to sleep. > > Around > > 2 a.m., the strangers came back, broke into their > > house, and ordered then to sit on the porch while > > they > > helped themselves to their belongings. They took > > $20 > > from one of the boys, which was all the cash the > > three > > of them had. They came upon Kenny's DVD player and > > Kenny heard them talking about it from the porch. > > He > > walked into the house and asked them not to take his > > DVD player. One of the strangers lost it and shot > > Kenny. Thomas ran in to check on his best friend > > when > > he heard the shots and the strangers shot him. John > > dove behind the sofa as more shots were fired while > > the strangers were running out of the house. John > > went to Kenny and Thomas; Kenny was already dead and > > Thomas died shortly thereafter. > > > > The strangers were caught and identified by John; > > they > > are now in prison for life...one was 21 and the > > other, > > the shooter, was 17. They killed two young men for > > $20. > > > > Kenny was an absolute angel. He was easy going and > > friendly and loved to laugh. He made friends easily > > and always had a smile on his face. He was the kind > > of kid who would hug his parents and aunts and tell > > them that he loved them. He is missed so much! > > > > Kenny had been talking a lot to his mother before > > his > > death about God and had started to go to church with > > her. The day before Kenny died, his mother prayed > > that God would give Kenny some sort of confirmation > > that He is real. Kenny appeared to his mother the > > day > > after he died and told her 'There IS a God! This > > place is awesome!' He told her that he was fine and > > that he had forgiven the killer. His mother had > > some > > terrifying thoughts right after he was killed that > > she > > had somehow invited God to take Kenny in order to > > answer her prayer, but of course, that is not the > > case. She accepts his death and tells me that she > > speaks with him often. My brother, Kenny's father, > > had a terribly hard time with Kenny's death...he was > > their youngest. But he told the judge in the murder > > trial that he was not in favor of the shooter > > getting > > the death sentence. > > > > Forgiveness can be an excruiciating challenge. But > > it > > is absolutely necessary if we are to be spiritually > > free, IMHO. For me, the fact that Kenny was able > > immediately to forgive the person who so > > thoughtlessly > > took his young life speaks volumes about ascendance. > > > > > > God bless you, Ron. > > > > Blessings & love, > > Claudia > > > > --- Katherine Miller <katsam19 wrote: > > > > > Rod, I know where you are coming from. My son was > > > hit when he was 4 years old and although it was > > not > > > intentional, what upset me the most is that the > > guy > > > used his past position as a police officer to > > excuse > > > his driving. He was going 45 in a 15 mph speed > > zone. > > > After hitting my child he stopped the vehicle and > > go > > > out screaming, I wasn't speeding I am an ex-police > > > officer and I wouldn't speed over and over again. > > He > > > was more concerned with letting people know that > > > rather than worrying about my 4 year old laying in > > > the road. Then a couple of weeks later I was out > > in > > > the yard and I saw this same guy speeding down the > > > road once again, clearly not going the speed > > limit. > > > Anyway, it is hard to forgive and especially if > > you > > > know that person did something on purpose to hurt > > > someone you love, but you are strong and better > > than > > > that person. Look deep within you and allow > > yourself > > > to let it go so that you can forgive him. May > > peace > > > be with you and your wife! > > > > > > Love, > > > Katherine > > > > > > > > > > > > rodneyderbyshire > > > <rodneyderbyshire > > > > > > Monday, May 28, 2007 7:37:17 PM > > > > > forgiveness > > > > > > Hi group > > > I am struggling with forgiving,I have gone back > > > through my life > > > and forgiven everything that needs forgiving. > > > My problem is that I can forgive now this minute > > and > > > really mean > > > it.Tomorrow I will think of one particular > > incident, > > > and I will get > > > angry and want revenge or justice.Briefly, my wife > > > was run down by two > > > car thieves as they were getting away.These things > > > happen aqnd I can > > > forgive them.What I struggle with is, the owner of > > > the car was on his > > > car phone when they dragged him out,and his boss > > > taped their > > > conversation as they drove away.The thief who was > > > driving laughingly > > > admitted to his partner that he ran her down on > > > purpose.This is > > > difficult to forgive.I ask myself what will my > > > reactions be if I EVER > > > FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE.I would like to think that I > > > would tell them > > > that we forgive them,genuinly. > > > When I see her limping,I think bad thoughts. > > > > > > Love > > > Rod > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2007 CC, I am so so sorry to hear about your family! That has to be really rough loosing 3 siblings. Loosing one person is so hard, but 3 within a short period is terrible and especially to murder. I am shocked at how many of the members here have been struck by tragic. My heart goes out to all of you CC and to the members of the list and their families. May God give each of you peace! Love, katherine crazycats711 <crazycats711 Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:38:01 PM Re: forgiveness/ascendance I guess I can tell about mine, too. I have had two of my siblings murdered. My sister was only 16 years old. She was raped and killed, but the constable of the little town in which we lived reported it as a suicide, but of course we all new better and so did he. The killer and rapist was left free and almost did the same to another sister, but she was smart and took no chances and had pistol with her at the time. It scared the man so bad he had a heart attack, right there in front of her. She went to get help, but he was dead by the time the time they got there. My youngest brother and the sister that was mudered, were very close. He blame himself for what happened (that he wasn't there to protect her) and had mental problems after that. About 20 years ago he walked away from all family and became a homeless person. He was found dead/murdered in a parking lot in Fort Worth. His killer got away free, as well. I would say it effected that youngest sister very much too, to be carrying a gun around with her. They both could have used some counciling for sure, but my parents were not so well off to afford that. That youngest sister died when she when she was only about 22, I think it was. She died of chicken pox going to her lungs. That's another sad story in itself. She left behind a two year old daughter. Right now, I am the only one in the family that this daughter stays in contact with. It's a sad situation. My family has a lot of problems. I have had dream visits from all three of them. I know they are all doing well and are OK now. That does helps in being able to forgive all that were involved in what took place. Blessings CC Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , Elektra Fire <elektra.fire@ ...> wrote: > > What a touching story, seems like many of us here have > been touched by murder, death and accidents. > Kenny sounds like a wondeful boy, but then again, it's > always the good ones it seems. > The three people I've lost in sad circumstances were > all amazing people, young and vibrant, full of joy. > I think that heaven sometimes needs some extra angels > and so takes the best ones!!! > My heart is with you and his family, you are very > brave and so is his mother it seems. > What a blessing that his mum was able to speak with > him, this must bring a great deal of comfort to her. > Thankyou for sharing your story about Kenny with us, > when we forgive we bring peace to those who have > passed over also I believe. > > Big hug Elektra x x x > > --- Claudia Lambright <newtfoodbowl@ ...> wrote: > > > My 21-year-old nephew (Kenny) and his roommate/best > > friend (Thomas) were murdered in a robbery attempt > > in > > their home 5 years ago July 26. Another friend > > (John) > > was staying at the house at the time, and he > > narrowly > > escaped being shot. The three of them had walked to > > a > > nearby convenience store to get some beer; in the > > convenience store, a friendly conversation had > > started > > up with some other boys there. The five young men > > left the store together, and Kenny and Thomas > > invited > > the strangers to their house, where they sat on the > > porch and drank a beer. The strangers left, and > > eventually Kenny, Thomas & John went to sleep. > > Around > > 2 a.m., the strangers came back, broke into their > > house, and ordered then to sit on the porch while > > they > > helped themselves to their belongings. They took > > $20 > > from one of the boys, which was all the cash the > > three > > of them had. They came upon Kenny's DVD player and > > Kenny heard them talking about it from the porch. > > He > > walked into the house and asked them not to take his > > DVD player. One of the strangers lost it and shot > > Kenny. Thomas ran in to check on his best friend > > when > > he heard the shots and the strangers shot him. John > > dove behind the sofa as more shots were fired while > > the strangers were running out of the house. John > > went to Kenny and Thomas; Kenny was already dead and > > Thomas died shortly thereafter. > > > > The strangers were caught and identified by John; > > they > > are now in prison for life...one was 21 and the > > other, > > the shooter, was 17. They killed two young men for > > $20. > > > > Kenny was an absolute angel. He was easy going and > > friendly and loved to laugh. He made friends easily > > and always had a smile on his face. He was the kind > > of kid who would hug his parents and aunts and tell > > them that he loved them. He is missed so much! > > > > Kenny had been talking a lot to his mother before > > his > > death about God and had started to go to church with > > her. The day before Kenny died, his mother prayed > > that God would give Kenny some sort of confirmation > > that He is real. Kenny appeared to his mother the > > day > > after he died and told her 'There IS a God! This > > place is awesome!' He told her that he was fine and > > that he had forgiven the killer. His mother had > > some > > terrifying thoughts right after he was killed that > > she > > had somehow invited God to take Kenny in order to > > answer her prayer, but of course, that is not the > > case. She accepts his death and tells me that she > > speaks with him often. My brother, Kenny's father, > > had a terribly hard time with Kenny's death...he was > > their youngest. But he told the judge in the murder > > trial that he was not in favor of the shooter > > getting > > the death sentence. > > > > Forgiveness can be an excruiciating challenge. But > > it > > is absolutely necessary if we are to be spiritually > > free, IMHO. For me, the fact that Kenny was able > > immediately to forgive the person who so > > thoughtlessly > > took his young life speaks volumes about ascendance. > > > > > > God bless you, Ron. > > > > Blessings & love, > > Claudia > > > > --- Katherine Miller <katsam19@.. .> wrote: > > > > > Rod, I know where you are coming from. My son was > > > hit when he was 4 years old and although it was > > not > > > intentional, what upset me the most is that the > > guy > > > used his past position as a police officer to > > excuse > > > his driving. He was going 45 in a 15 mph speed > > zone. > > > After hitting my child he stopped the vehicle and > > go > > > out screaming, I wasn't speeding I am an ex-police > > > officer and I wouldn't speed over and over again. > > He > > > was more concerned with letting people know that > > > rather than worrying about my 4 year old laying in > > > the road. Then a couple of weeks later I was out > > in > > > the yard and I saw this same guy speeding down the > > > road once again, clearly not going the speed > > limit. > > > Anyway, it is hard to forgive and especially if > > you > > > know that person did something on purpose to hurt > > > someone you love, but you are strong and better > > than > > > that person. Look deep within you and allow > > yourself > > > to let it go so that you can forgive him. May > > peace > > > be with you and your wife! > > > > > > Love, > > > Katherine > > > > > > > > > > > > rodneyderbyshire > > > <rodneyderbyshire@ ...> > > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 > > > Monday, May 28, 2007 7:37:17 PM > > > [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] > > forgiveness > > > > > > Hi group > > > I am struggling with forgiving,I have gone back > > > through my life > > > and forgiven everything that needs forgiving. > > > My problem is that I can forgive now this minute > > and > > > really mean > > > it.Tomorrow I will think of one particular > > incident, > > > and I will get > > > angry and want revenge or justice.Briefly, my wife > > > was run down by two > > > car thieves as they were getting away.These things > > > happen aqnd I can > > > forgive them.What I struggle with is, the owner of > > > the car was on his > > > car phone when they dragged him out,and his boss > > > taped their > > > conversation as they drove away.The thief who was > > > driving laughingly > > > admitted to his partner that he ran her down on > > > purpose.This is > > > difficult to forgive.I ask myself what will my > > > reactions be if I EVER > > > FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE.I would like to think that I > > > would tell them > > > that we forgive them,genuinly. > > > When I see her limping,I think bad thoughts. > > > > > > Love > > > Rod > > > ______________________________\ ____Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 29, 2007 Awww...Katherine, It was bad, but it's sad and tragic when any family member is taken away, no matter what the cause. These events did not happen close together. Probably a good 10 years or more between each one. I am from a very large family, 10 of us kids all together. Of all my siblings, I have had the easiest life of all of them. It seems something is alway taking place with them all. I feel bad somethings that my life hasn't been so bad as theirs. My life has been a bed of roses compared to theirs. There are still 6 of us left, my mom and an aunt or two and some cousins and lots of nieces and newphew. LOL! We are still a large family with lots of happy times to be grateful for, not to say I am not grateful for those bad times we experience and learned and went through together. You should have seen us at the family reunion last year! Phew! And only about half showed up. Blessings CC , Katherine Miller <katsam19 wrote: > > CC, I am so so sorry to hear about your family! That has to be really rough loosing 3 siblings. Loosing one person is so hard, but 3 within a short period is terrible and especially to murder. I am shocked at how many of the members here have been struck by tragic. My heart goes out to all of you CC and to the members of the list and their families. May God give each of you peace! > > Love, > katherine > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 30, 2007 An easy way to help yourself to forgive is to simply go one step further and have compassion for the person instead. This will allow a genuine forgiveness to flow from you more naturally. Allow me to explain… <snip> " The thief who was driving laughingly admitted to his partner that he ran her down on purpose. This is difficult to forgive. " </snip> The implications of what this man did are going to hit him like a ton of bricks. Put yourself in his position and now let it dawn on you what you have caused through choices you made. How awful what awaits this man. The agonizing he will endure to learn his lessons. Very probably such crucial lessons to this persons evolution that they are unlikely to occur in this life. It could be the entire purpose behind a complete different incarnation to work through the implications of this one choice. My heart goes out to this poor soul and all that awaits him. No doubt the dharma and karma are already beginning to manifest. It is always this way. There is no good and bad, no right or wrong – only the implications of ones choice. Of course there are more correct choices as we move closer to realization. And I have always been of the opinion that awareness limits choice. To be aware of the correct choice yet choose an alternative is to exponentially generate negative energies connected to the consequences of that decision. I choose love and the choices manifested thereof… Love to you all, glen o. , " crazycats711 " <crazycats711 wrote: > > I guess I can tell about mine, too. I have had two of my siblings > murdered. My sister was only 16 years old. She was raped and killed, > but the constable of the little town in which we lived reported it as > a suicide, but of course we all new better and so did he. The killer > and rapist was left free and almost did the same to another sister, > but she was smart and took no chances and had pistol with her at the > time. It scared the man so bad he had a heart attack, right there in > front of her. She went to get help, but he was dead by the time the > time they got there. My youngest brother and the sister that was > mudered, were very close. He blame himself for what happened (that he > wasn't there to protect her) and had mental problems after that. > About 20 years ago he walked away from all family and became a > homeless person. He was found dead/murdered in a parking lot in Fort > Worth. His killer got away free, as well. I would say it effected > that youngest sister very much too, to be carrying a gun around with > her. They both could have used some counciling for sure, but my > parents were not so well off to afford that. That youngest sister > died when she when she was only about 22, I think it was. She died of > chicken pox going to her lungs. That's another sad story in itself. > She left behind a two year old daughter. Right now, I am the only one > in the family that this daughter stays in contact with. It's a sad > situation. My family has a lot of problems. > > I have had dream visits from all three of them. I know they are all > doing well and are OK now. That does helps in being able to forgive > all that were involved in what took place. > > Blessings > > CC > > > > , Elektra Fire > <elektra.fire@> wrote: > > > > What a touching story, seems like many of us here have > > been touched by murder, death and accidents. > > Kenny sounds like a wondeful boy, but then again, it's > > always the good ones it seems. > > The three people I've lost in sad circumstances were > > all amazing people, young and vibrant, full of joy. > > I think that heaven sometimes needs some extra angels > > and so takes the best ones!!! > > My heart is with you and his family, you are very > > brave and so is his mother it seems. > > What a blessing that his mum was able to speak with > > him, this must bring a great deal of comfort to her. > > Thankyou for sharing your story about Kenny with us, > > when we forgive we bring peace to those who have > > passed over also I believe. > > > > Big hug Elektra x x x > > > > --- Claudia Lambright <newtfoodbowl@> wrote: > > > > > My 21-year-old nephew (Kenny) and his roommate/best > > > friend (Thomas) were murdered in a robbery attempt > > > in > > > their home 5 years ago July 26. Another friend > > > (John) > > > was staying at the house at the time, and he > > > narrowly > > > escaped being shot. The three of them had walked to > > > a > > > nearby convenience store to get some beer; in the > > > convenience store, a friendly conversation had > > > started > > > up with some other boys there. The five young men > > > left the store together, and Kenny and Thomas > > > invited > > > the strangers to their house, where they sat on the > > > porch and drank a beer. The strangers left, and > > > eventually Kenny, Thomas & John went to sleep. > > > Around > > > 2 a.m., the strangers came back, broke into their > > > house, and ordered then to sit on the porch while > > > they > > > helped themselves to their belongings. They took > > > $20 > > > from one of the boys, which was all the cash the > > > three > > > of them had. They came upon Kenny's DVD player and > > > Kenny heard them talking about it from the porch. > > > He > > > walked into the house and asked them not to take his > > > DVD player. One of the strangers lost it and shot > > > Kenny. Thomas ran in to check on his best friend > > > when > > > he heard the shots and the strangers shot him. John > > > dove behind the sofa as more shots were fired while > > > the strangers were running out of the house. John > > > went to Kenny and Thomas; Kenny was already dead and > > > Thomas died shortly thereafter. > > > > > > The strangers were caught and identified by John; > > > they > > > are now in prison for life...one was 21 and the > > > other, > > > the shooter, was 17. They killed two young men for > > > $20. > > > > > > Kenny was an absolute angel. He was easy going and > > > friendly and loved to laugh. He made friends easily > > > and always had a smile on his face. He was the kind > > > of kid who would hug his parents and aunts and tell > > > them that he loved them. He is missed so much! > > > > > > Kenny had been talking a lot to his mother before > > > his > > > death about God and had started to go to church with > > > her. The day before Kenny died, his mother prayed > > > that God would give Kenny some sort of confirmation > > > that He is real. Kenny appeared to his mother the > > > day > > > after he died and told her 'There IS a God! This > > > place is awesome!' He told her that he was fine and > > > that he had forgiven the killer. His mother had > > > some > > > terrifying thoughts right after he was killed that > > > she > > > had somehow invited God to take Kenny in order to > > > answer her prayer, but of course, that is not the > > > case. She accepts his death and tells me that she > > > speaks with him often. My brother, Kenny's father, > > > had a terribly hard time with Kenny's death...he was > > > their youngest. But he told the judge in the murder > > > trial that he was not in favor of the shooter > > > getting > > > the death sentence. > > > > > > Forgiveness can be an excruiciating challenge. But > > > it > > > is absolutely necessary if we are to be spiritually > > > free, IMHO. For me, the fact that Kenny was able > > > immediately to forgive the person who so > > > thoughtlessly > > > took his young life speaks volumes about ascendance. > > > > > > > > > God bless you, Ron. > > > > > > Blessings & love, > > > Claudia > > > > > > --- Katherine Miller <katsam19@> wrote: > > > > > > > Rod, I know where you are coming from. My son was > > > > hit when he was 4 years old and although it was > > > not > > > > intentional, what upset me the most is that the > > > guy > > > > used his past position as a police officer to > > > excuse > > > > his driving. He was going 45 in a 15 mph speed > > > zone. > > > > After hitting my child he stopped the vehicle and > > > go > > > > out screaming, I wasn't speeding I am an ex-police > > > > officer and I wouldn't speed over and over again. > > > He > > > > was more concerned with letting people know that > > > > rather than worrying about my 4 year old laying in > > > > the road. Then a couple of weeks later I was out > > > in > > > > the yard and I saw this same guy speeding down the > > > > road once again, clearly not going the speed > > > limit. > > > > Anyway, it is hard to forgive and especially if > > > you > > > > know that person did something on purpose to hurt > > > > someone you love, but you are strong and better > > > than > > > > that person. Look deep within you and allow > > > yourself > > > > to let it go so that you can forgive him. May > > > peace > > > > be with you and your wife! > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Katherine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rodneyderbyshire > > > > <rodneyderbyshire@> > > > > > > > > Monday, May 28, 2007 7:37:17 PM > > > > > > > forgiveness > > > > > > > > Hi group > > > > I am struggling with forgiving,I have gone back > > > > through my life > > > > and forgiven everything that needs forgiving. > > > > My problem is that I can forgive now this minute > > > and > > > > really mean > > > > it.Tomorrow I will think of one particular > > > incident, > > > > and I will get > > > > angry and want revenge or justice.Briefly, my wife > > > > was run down by two > > > > car thieves as they were getting away.These things > > > > happen aqnd I can > > > > forgive them.What I struggle with is, the owner of > > > > the car was on his > > > > car phone when they dragged him out,and his boss > > > > taped their > > > > conversation as they drove away.The thief who was > > > > driving laughingly > > > > admitted to his partner that he ran her down on > > > > purpose.This is > > > > difficult to forgive.I ask myself what will my > > > > reactions be if I EVER > > > > FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE.I would like to think that I > > > > would tell them > > > > that we forgive them,genuinly. > > > > When I see her limping,I think bad thoughts. > > > > > > > > Love > > > > Rod > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 30, 2007 I'm speechless. It's so tragic. 2 deaths for 20$. Everyday i try to forget that we live in a barbaric world, even though we tell to ourselves that we live in a civilised society. Very civilised... hehe! Not that it is linked, but it reminds my something from my childhood. I remember when i was something around 4 years old, playing with legos, and i thought to myself that i couldn't wait to die. For what reason, i don't know. I got the best parents, my life was easy. Now i try to remember why i thought something like that. Maybe someday i'll find out. Even now, I tell myself that i won't be coming back to earth after my death. This place is too weird for me. Danny , Claudia Lambright <newtfoodbowl wrote: > > My 21-year-old nephew (Kenny) and his roommate/best > friend (Thomas) were murdered in a robbery attempt in > their home 5 years ago July 26. Another friend (John) > was staying at the house at the time, and he narrowly > escaped being shot. The three of them had walked to a > nearby convenience store to get some beer; in the > convenience store, a friendly conversation had started > up with some other boys there. The five young men > left the store together, and Kenny and Thomas invited > the strangers to their house, where they sat on the > porch and drank a beer. The strangers left, and > eventually Kenny, Thomas & John went to sleep. Around > 2 a.m., the strangers came back, broke into their > house, and ordered then to sit on the porch while they > helped themselves to their belongings. They took $20 > from one of the boys, which was all the cash the three > of them had. They came upon Kenny's DVD player and > Kenny heard them talking about it from the porch. He > walked into the house and asked them not to take his > DVD player. One of the strangers lost it and shot > Kenny. Thomas ran in to check on his best friend when > he heard the shots and the strangers shot him. John > dove behind the sofa as more shots were fired while > the strangers were running out of the house. John > went to Kenny and Thomas; Kenny was already dead and > Thomas died shortly thereafter. > > The strangers were caught and identified by John; they > are now in prison for life...one was 21 and the other, > the shooter, was 17. They killed two young men for > $20. > > Kenny was an absolute angel. He was easy going and > friendly and loved to laugh. He made friends easily > and always had a smile on his face. He was the kind > of kid who would hug his parents and aunts and tell > them that he loved them. He is missed so much! > > Kenny had been talking a lot to his mother before his > death about God and had started to go to church with > her. The day before Kenny died, his mother prayed > that God would give Kenny some sort of confirmation > that He is real. Kenny appeared to his mother the day > after he died and told her 'There IS a God! This > place is awesome!' He told her that he was fine and > that he had forgiven the killer. His mother had some > terrifying thoughts right after he was killed that she > had somehow invited God to take Kenny in order to > answer her prayer, but of course, that is not the > case. She accepts his death and tells me that she > speaks with him often. My brother, Kenny's father, > had a terribly hard time with Kenny's death...he was > their youngest. But he told the judge in the murder > trial that he was not in favor of the shooter getting > the death sentence. > > Forgiveness can be an excruiciating challenge. But it > is absolutely necessary if we are to be spiritually > free, IMHO. For me, the fact that Kenny was able > immediately to forgive the person who so thoughtlessly > took his young life speaks volumes about ascendance. > > God bless you, Ron. > > Blessings & love, > Claudia > > --- Katherine Miller <katsam19 wrote: > > > Rod, I know where you are coming from. My son was > > hit when he was 4 years old and although it was not > > intentional, what upset me the most is that the guy > > used his past position as a police officer to excuse > > his driving. He was going 45 in a 15 mph speed zone. > > After hitting my child he stopped the vehicle and go > > out screaming, I wasn't speeding I am an ex-police > > officer and I wouldn't speed over and over again. He > > was more concerned with letting people know that > > rather than worrying about my 4 year old laying in > > the road. Then a couple of weeks later I was out in > > the yard and I saw this same guy speeding down the > > road once again, clearly not going the speed limit. > > Anyway, it is hard to forgive and especially if you > > know that person did something on purpose to hurt > > someone you love, but you are strong and better than > > that person. Look deep within you and allow yourself > > to let it go so that you can forgive him. May peace > > be with you and your wife! > > > > Love, > > Katherine > > > > > > > > rodneyderbyshire > > <rodneyderbyshire > > > > Monday, May 28, 2007 7:37:17 PM > > forgiveness > > > > Hi group > > I am struggling with forgiving,I have gone back > > through my life > > and forgiven everything that needs forgiving. > > My problem is that I can forgive now this minute and > > really mean > > it.Tomorrow I will think of one particular incident, > > and I will get > > angry and want revenge or justice.Briefly, my wife > > was run down by two > > car thieves as they were getting away.These things > > happen aqnd I can > > forgive them.What I struggle with is, the owner of > > the car was on his > > car phone when they dragged him out,and his boss > > taped their > > conversation as they drove away.The thief who was > > driving laughingly > > admitted to his partner that he ran her down on > > purpose.This is > > difficult to forgive.I ask myself what will my > > reactions be if I EVER > > FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE.I would like to think that I > > would tell them > > that we forgive them,genuinly. > > When I see her limping,I think bad thoughts. > > > > Love > > Rod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____Building > > a website is a piece of cake. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 30, 2007 Glen, You sound just like my mother (no offense). lol All my life, she's been telling me to forgive by feeling empathy for what the person will go through. It has always made me angry, because it always made me feel like I didn't matter, and as if she was defending the wrong person. Hearing it come from someone else, and in the pretense of this particular chain of conversation, it sounds different, and I get it now. Everyone seems to have a story on forgiveness, and each story is so very sad. What's amazing is how they all come together, so that we can learn others' techniques for forgiveness..and truly appreciate them since we now understand exactly where one another is coming from. On that note, I will also share mine with all of you: I was living in a condo, which my mom and I were splitting the cost of. She and I, and my youngest brother were living there. It was about 10 years ago. I had a wonderful rabbit named Ashley, whom I loved like my own daughter. She was different from any other animal. She would get on top of the couch, and put her bunny arms around my neck like a hug. At night if I missed her or if I became lonesome or sad or anything, she would jump up on my bed, and crawl under my arms and fall asleep in my hug. I only bought her the best vegetables, I picked fresh grass for her and chopped it up, each day.She would let me hold her and kiss her head and paws like a precious baby, she was so special to me. My youngest brother was a teenager at the time, and had become a bit disturbed ever since my parents divorce when (he was 5). He and I got into an argument one night just before my mother and I went out to the laundromat. As we were driving to the store to buy detergent, I felt a sudden pain in my chest. It wasn't like it was coming from within me..it was like a terrible heartache, along with someone else's pain. I began to panic and cry, when I somehow knew that something was terribly wrong with Ashley. To make a long story short, we went home to check, and she was dead in her cage. He was so angry at me, that he grabbed her and threw her into a wall....over and over and over- until her body was crushed. I saw her flat and lifeless body on the cage floor. She was big and muscular, blond-furred rabbit with big blue-green eyes. She was strong and could protect herself from anything. She had big teeth, and wasn't afraid to use them. I don't know how he was able to do that to her. My mouth opened up at the horror, and this terrible scream came out. I didn't believe it was me. I called the police, because my mother wouldn't. She wanted to protect him. She said something like " It's your brother, Tara. Do you really want to have your own brother arrested? He's my son, too, and I love him. " I called, and he was put away for three months. I never stopped crying, yet my mother never stopped trying to make me feel guilty for what he was going through. When she told me he was coming home, and we would just have to get along, I decided to move out. I moved in with a friend, and got my own place several months later. I didn't speak to my mom for a year after that. I didn't ever want to see my brother again. I didn't speak to him for at least two years. When I moved into my apartment, I became very spiritual, because I decided I had to make sure I went to heaven when I died, so that I could be with Ashley again. I spent my free time in prayer and meditation. I went to church several times a week, and read the bible and meditated on its meaning. I had lists of intentions for which to pray. That's when I had my first out-of-body-experience. When I came back, I felt like I wasn't able to go any farther in my spiritual quest. It was driving me crazy, because I knew there was something more, but I couldn't find it. Somehow forgiveness came to me through meditation. I made a big list of all the people whose faces still haunted me, for any reason. I am very sensitive, and words and things can hurt me easily, so it was a big list. I was also on the list, because I could never seem to forgive myself, and I would feel so stupid over the littlest mistakes, and mortified- like I couldn't stand to live with myself if I did anything wrong to another, or even if I made simple embarrassing mistakes. Each night and each day I would pray for everyone on the list, and pray that they will know I've forgiven them and pray that they would also forgive me. Still, I couldn't get any farther. Then I began reflecting on that out-of-body-experience. That's the one which some have named a near-death-experience. I must have been reflecting on seeing my life flash before my eyes, and thinking what do I need to repair before I go. Suddenly, my brother's face came to mind. I invited my brother and my mother to join me at the weekly charismatic prayer group. I forgave them both, and we began praying together. It was not easy, but I knew that Ashley would want me to make the right decision for my soul. That was exactly what I needed, and I became more and more spiritual, and felt like I was on a higher level that ever before. It's been about 6 years since I forgave them. I remember a 'conversation' I had with her once, in which I said, " Ashley, if anything ever takes you away from me- promise me you'll come back as my real human child, so that I can hold and cherish you forever. " That always brings a smile to my face. Her same soul was in my late rabbit Mischief, and I await her return to me in another form. Love and peace to all of you, Tara Glen Olah <gleno wrote: An easy way to help yourself to forgive is to simply go one step further and have compassion for the person instead. This will allow a genuine forgiveness to flow from you more naturally. Allow me to explain… <snip> " The thief who was driving laughingly admitted to his partner that he ran her down on purpose. This is difficult to forgive. " </snip> The implications of what this man did are going to hit him like a ton of bricks. Put yourself in his position and now let it dawn on you what you have caused through choices you made. How awful what awaits this man. The agonizing he will endure to learn his lessons. Very probably such crucial lessons to this persons evolution that they are unlikely to occur in this life. It could be the entire purpose behind a complete different incarnation to work through the implications of this one choice. My heart goes out to this poor soul and all that awaits him. No doubt the dharma and karma are already beginning to manifest. It is always this way. There is no good and bad, no right or wrong – only the implications of ones choice. Of course there are more correct choices as we move closer to realization. And I have always been of the opinion that awareness limits choice. To be aware of the correct choice yet choose an alternative is to exponentially generate negative energies connected to the consequences of that decision. I choose love and the choices manifested thereof… Love to you all, glen o. , " crazycats711 " <crazycats711 wrote: > > I guess I can tell about mine, too. I have had two of my siblings > murdered. My sister was only 16 years old. She was raped and killed, > but the constable of the little town in which we lived reported it as > a suicide, but of course we all new better and so did he. The killer > and rapist was left free and almost did the same to another sister, > but she was smart and took no chances and had pistol with her at the > time. It scared the man so bad he had a heart attack, right there in > front of her. She went to get help, but he was dead by the time the > time they got there. My youngest brother and the sister that was > mudered, were very close. He blame himself for what happened (that he > wasn't there to protect her) and had mental problems after that. > About 20 years ago he walked away from all family and became a > homeless person. He was found dead/murdered in a parking lot in Fort > Worth. His killer got away free, as well. I would say it effected > that youngest sister very much too, to be carrying a gun around with > her. They both could have used some counciling for sure, but my > parents were not so well off to afford that. That youngest sister > died when she when she was only about 22, I think it was. She died of > chicken pox going to her lungs. That's another sad story in itself. > She left behind a two year old daughter. Right now, I am the only one > in the family that this daughter stays in contact with. It's a sad > situation. My family has a lot of problems. > > I have had dream visits from all three of them. I know they are all > doing well and are OK now. That does helps in being able to forgive > all that were involved in what took place. > > Blessings > > CC > > > > , Elektra Fire > <elektra.fire@> wrote: > > > > What a touching story, seems like many of us here have > > been touched by murder, death and accidents. > > Kenny sounds like a wondeful boy, but then again, it's > > always the good ones it seems. > > The three people I've lost in sad circumstances were > > all amazing people, young and vibrant, full of joy. > > I think that heaven sometimes needs some extra angels > > and so takes the best ones!!! > > My heart is with you and his family, you are very > > brave and so is his mother it seems. > > What a blessing that his mum was able to speak with > > him, this must bring a great deal of comfort to her. > > Thankyou for sharing your story about Kenny with us, > > when we forgive we bring peace to those who have > > passed over also I believe. > > > > Big hug Elektra x x x > > > > --- Claudia Lambright <newtfoodbowl@> wrote: > > > > > My 21-year-old nephew (Kenny) and his roommate/best > > > friend (Thomas) were murdered in a robbery attempt > > > in > > > their home 5 years ago July 26. Another friend > > > (John) > > > was staying at the house at the time, and he > > > narrowly > > > escaped being shot. The three of them had walked to > > > a > > > nearby convenience store to get some beer; in the > > > convenience store, a friendly conversation had > > > started > > > up with some other boys there. The five young men > > > left the store together, and Kenny and Thomas > > > invited > > > the strangers to their house, where they sat on the > > > porch and drank a beer. The strangers left, and > > > eventually Kenny, Thomas & John went to sleep. > > > Around > > > 2 a.m., the strangers came back, broke into their > > > house, and ordered then to sit on the porch while > > > they > > > helped themselves to their belongings. They took > > > $20 > > > from one of the boys, which was all the cash the > > > three > > > of them had. They came upon Kenny's DVD player and > > > Kenny heard them talking about it from the porch. > > > He > > > walked into the house and asked them not to take his > > > DVD player. One of the strangers lost it and shot > > > Kenny. Thomas ran in to check on his best friend > > > when > > > he heard the shots and the strangers shot him. John > > > dove behind the sofa as more shots were fired while > > > the strangers were running out of the house. John > > > went to Kenny and Thomas; Kenny was already dead and > > > Thomas died shortly thereafter. > > > > > > The strangers were caught and identified by John; > > > they > > > are now in prison for life...one was 21 and the > > > other, > > > the shooter, was 17. They killed two young men for > > > $20. > > > > > > Kenny was an absolute angel. He was easy going and > > > friendly and loved to laugh. He made friends easily > > > and always had a smile on his face. He was the kind > > > of kid who would hug his parents and aunts and tell > > > them that he loved them. He is missed so much! > > > > > > Kenny had been talking a lot to his mother before > > > his > > > death about God and had started to go to church with > > > her. The day before Kenny died, his mother prayed > > > that God would give Kenny some sort of confirmation > > > that He is real. Kenny appeared to his mother the > > > day > > > after he died and told her 'There IS a God! This > > > place is awesome!' He told her that he was fine and > > > that he had forgiven the killer. His mother had > > > some > > > terrifying thoughts right after he was killed that > > > she > > > had somehow invited God to take Kenny in order to > > > answer her prayer, but of course, that is not the > > > case. She accepts his death and tells me that she > > > speaks with him often. My brother, Kenny's father, > > > had a terribly hard time with Kenny's death...he was > > > their youngest. But he told the judge in the murder > > > trial that he was not in favor of the shooter > > > getting > > > the death sentence. > > > > > > Forgiveness can be an excruiciating challenge. But > > > it > > > is absolutely necessary if we are to be spiritually > > > free, IMHO. For me, the fact that Kenny was able > > > immediately to forgive the person who so > > > thoughtlessly > > > took his young life speaks volumes about ascendance. > > > > > > > > > God bless you, Ron. > > > > > > Blessings & love, > > > Claudia > > > > > > --- Katherine Miller <katsam19@> wrote: > > > > > > > Rod, I know where you are coming from. My son was > > > > hit when he was 4 years old and although it was > > > not > > > > intentional, what upset me the most is that the > > > guy > > > > used his past position as a police officer to > > > excuse > > > > his driving. He was going 45 in a 15 mph speed > > > zone. > > > > After hitting my child he stopped the vehicle and > > > go > > > > out screaming, I wasn't speeding I am an ex-police > > > > officer and I wouldn't speed over and over again. > > > He > > > > was more concerned with letting people know that > > > > rather than worrying about my 4 year old laying in > > > > the road. Then a couple of weeks later I was out > > > in > > > > the yard and I saw this same guy speeding down the > > > > road once again, clearly not going the speed > > > limit. > > > > Anyway, it is hard to forgive and especially if > > > you > > > > know that person did something on purpose to hurt > > > > someone you love, but you are strong and better > > > than > > > > that person. Look deep within you and allow > > > yourself > > > > to let it go so that you can forgive him. May > > > peace > > > > be with you and your wife! > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Katherine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rodneyderbyshire > > > > <rodneyderbyshire@> > > > > > > > > Monday, May 28, 2007 7:37:17 PM > > > > > > > forgiveness > > > > > > > > Hi group > > > > I am struggling with forgiving,I have gone back > > > > through my life > > > > and forgiven everything that needs forgiving. > > > > My problem is that I can forgive now this minute > > > and > > > > really mean > > > > it.Tomorrow I will think of one particular > > > incident, > > > > and I will get > > > > angry and want revenge or justice.Briefly, my wife > > > > was run down by two > > > > car thieves as they were getting away.These things > > > > happen aqnd I can > > > > forgive them.What I struggle with is, the owner of > > > > the car was on his > > > > car phone when they dragged him out,and his boss > > > > taped their > > > > conversation as they drove away.The thief who was > > > > driving laughingly > > > > admitted to his partner that he ran her down on > > > > purpose.This is > > > > difficult to forgive.I ask myself what will my > > > > reactions be if I EVER > > > > FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE.I would like to think that I > > > > would tell them > > > > that we forgive them,genuinly. > > > > When I see her limping,I think bad thoughts. > > > > > > > > Love > > > > Rod > > > > > Got a little couch potato? 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 30, 2007 Wow Tara, that made me cry. Ashley was obviously a very special soul to teach you so many lessons, what a blessing! Thanks for sharing that with us. Sarita , tara jacoby <tjmassage7777 wrote: > > Glen, > You sound just like my mother (no offense). lol > All my life, she's been telling me to forgive by feeling empathy for what > the person will go through. It has always made me angry, because it always made me feel like I didn't matter, and as if she was defending the wrong person. Hearing it come from someone else, and in the pretense of this particular chain of conversation, it sounds different, and I get it now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 30, 2007 Forgiving isn't my specialties. I wouldn't be able to be so kind. I spent my whole life pretending nothing happened and only now i'm able to accept that what did happen happened and i can't change that. Forgiving seems impossable right now. How do people handle these things, let go... Have the strength to do that? I try and somedays I can but other days not so good. Like with friends the little things i can get over and accept happened but then trust becomes the issue. How can you trust or is it okay not to trust those who have hurt you? But then how can you forgive them? And then if you forgive it becomes denial sometimes. Sorry! I didn't mean to toss my self out there in the middle of the converstations. It's just so hard to forgive some people. I admire those who can, but feel some people shouldn't be forgiven at least by me. Tiffany , Claudia Lambright <newtfoodbowl wrote: > > Wow, Kat, I'm so glad that you were able to use that > sad story for something positive. > > Love, Claudia > > --- Katherine Miller <katsam19 wrote: > > > Oh, dear Claudia, that story is so sad yet so > > inspiring! I read it to Sam and told him to use it > > as a lesson that there is a God. Although he > > believes there is, I told him sometimes in life > > things happen to make you question His existence so > > it is left up to him to build his faith in God and > > know that no matter what never forget God exists. > > Thank you so much, many lessons to be learned from > > this! > > > > Love, > > Katherine > > > > > > > > Claudia Lambright <newtfoodbowl > > > > Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:21:28 AM > > Re: > > forgiveness/ascendance > > > > My 21-year-old nephew (Kenny) and his roommate/best > > friend (Thomas) were murdered in a robbery attempt > > in > > their home 5 years ago July 26. Another friend > > (John) > > was staying at the house at the time, and he > > narrowly > > escaped being shot. The three of them had walked to > > a > > nearby convenience store to get some beer; in the > > convenience store, a friendly conversation had > > started > > up with some other boys there. The five young men > > left the store together, and Kenny and Thomas > > invited > > the strangers to their house, where they sat on the > > porch and drank a beer. The strangers left, and > > eventually Kenny, Thomas & John went to sleep. > > Around > > 2 a.m., the strangers came back, broke into their > > house, and ordered then to sit on the porch while > > they > > helped themselves to their belongings. They took $20 > > from one of the boys, which was all the cash the > > three > > of them had. They came upon Kenny's DVD player and > > Kenny heard them talking about it from the porch. He > > walked into the house and asked them not to take his > > DVD player. One of the strangers lost it and shot > > Kenny. Thomas ran in to check on his best friend > > when > > he heard the shots and the strangers shot him. John > > dove behind the sofa as more shots were fired while > > the strangers were running out of the house. John > > went to Kenny and Thomas; Kenny was already dead and > > Thomas died shortly thereafter. > > > > The strangers were caught and identified by John; > > they > > are now in prison for life...one was 21 and the > > other, > > the shooter, was 17. They killed two young men for > > $20. > > > > Kenny was an absolute angel. He was easy going and > > friendly and loved to laugh. He made friends easily > > and always had a smile on his face. He was the kind > > of kid who would hug his parents and aunts and tell > > them that he loved them. He is missed so much! > > > > Kenny had been talking a lot to his mother before > > his > > death about God and had started to go to church with > > her. The day before Kenny died, his mother prayed > > that God would give Kenny some sort of confirmation > > that He is real. Kenny appeared to his mother the > > day > > after he died and told her 'There IS a God! This > > place is awesome!' He told her that he was fine and > > that he had forgiven the killer. His mother had some > > terrifying thoughts right after he was killed that > > she > > had somehow invited God to take Kenny in order to > > answer her prayer, but of course, that is not the > > case. She accepts his death and tells me that she > > speaks with him often. My brother, Kenny's father, > > had a terribly hard time with Kenny's death...he was > > their youngest. But he told the judge in the murder > > trial that he was not in favor of the shooter > > getting > > the death sentence. > > > > Forgiveness can be an excruiciating challenge. But > > it > > is absolutely necessary if we are to be spiritually > > free, IMHO. For me, the fact that Kenny was able > > immediately to forgive the person who so > > thoughtlessly > > took his young life speaks volumes about ascendance. > > > > > > God bless you, Ron. > > > > Blessings & love, > > Claudia > > > > --- Katherine Miller <katsam19 > wrote: > > > > > Rod, I know where you are coming from. My son was > > > hit when he was 4 years old and although it was > > not > > > intentional, what upset me the most is that the > > guy > > > used his past position as a police officer to > > excuse > > > his driving. He was going 45 in a 15 mph speed > > zone. > > > After hitting my child he stopped the vehicle and > > go > > > out screaming, I wasn't speeding I am an ex-police > > > officer and I wouldn't speed over and over again. > > He > > > was more concerned with letting people know that > > > rather than worrying about my 4 year old laying in > > > the road. Then a couple of weeks later I was out > > in > > > the yard and I saw this same guy speeding down the > > > road once again, clearly not going the speed > > limit. > > > Anyway, it is hard to forgive and especially if > > you > > > know that person did something on purpose to hurt > > > someone you love, but you are strong and better > > than > > > that person. Look deep within you and allow > > yourself > > > to let it go so that you can forgive him. May > > peace > > > be with you and your wife! > > > > > > Love, > > > Katherine > > > > > > > > > > > > rodneyderbyshire > > > <rodneyderbyshire@ .co. uk> > > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 (AT) (DOT) > > com > > > Monday, May 28, 2007 7:37:17 PM > > > [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] > > forgiveness > > > > > > Hi group > > > I am struggling with forgiving,I have gone back > > > through my life > > > and forgiven everything that needs forgiving. > > > My problem is that I can forgive now this minute > > and > > > really mean > > > it.Tomorrow I will think of one particular > > incident, > > > and I will get > > > angry and want revenge or justice.Briefly, my wife > > > was run down by two > > > car thieves as they were getting away.These things > > > happen aqnd I can > > > forgive them.What I struggle with is, the owner of > > > the car was on his > > > car phone when they dragged him out,and his boss > > > taped their > > > conversation as they drove away.The thief who was > > > driving laughingly > > > admitted to his partner that he ran her down on > > > purpose.This is > > > difficult to forgive.I ask myself what will my > > > reactions be if I EVER > > > FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE.I would like to think that I > > > would tell them > > > that we forgive them,genuinly. > > > When I see her limping,I think bad thoughts. > > > > > > Love > > > Rod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > > _________ _Building > > > a website is a piece of cake. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 30, 2007 Tiffany, You start with one thing at a time learning to trust yourself. I asked my daughter...and she said her healing began when I started to trust myself...and forgive myself. forgiving myself for not being more aware....for not understandning what was happening, for not having enough courage to tell someone...for not looking at my own truths. The trust all had to begin with me...and then my children all began to be able to do the same...and heal within themselves...and forgive each other. This was a huge thing in our family...as many horrendous things happened...and that is why I asked my daughter...because she was a victim...as I was....and I needed to know from her just what it was that began the healing process and brought it into fruition into our whole families lives. Adina Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 30, 2007 Tiffany, your post made my heart ache for you. I know exactly how/ what your are feeling. It hasn't been not so long ago that I was hurt very deeply by family members, too the point I did not want to live any longer. The pain their actions caused for me was the most horrific thing I have ever gone through. For almost a year I went through feeling nothing but pain, to the point my physical heart hurt constantly. The one thing I learnt through all that was detachment. Letting go of the anger and forgiving them wasn't an easy thing, and I am still working on the trust aspect of it two years after the fact. Gradually the trust has been returning, but I don't know if I can ever get back to the point I was with them. I am hoping I can. Years ago, I think I hear it in a sermon, maybe. I wrote it down in my bible. These are the words I wrote: Pray for understanding. When you have " understanding " you aren't standing " over " a person with criticism or judgement or unforgiveness. We need to " stand under " to hear/see what is being said/done. That is what I did. I prayed for understanding and it was given to me. I also meditated everyday, visualizings my family being whole again and us loving each other in a even more powerful way. It has and is happening! Blessings to you and yours CC Kundalini-Awakening-Systems- 1 , " tiffmidngtwilo " <tiffmidngtwilo wrote: > > Forgiving isn't my specialties. I wouldn't be able to be so kind. I > spent my whole life pretending nothing happened and only now i'm able > to accept that what did happen happened and i can't change that. > Forgiving seems impossable right now. How do people handle these > things, let go... Have the strength to do that? I try and somedays I > can but other days not so good. Like with friends the little things i > can get over and accept happened but then trust becomes the issue. > How can you trust or is it okay not to trust those who have hurt you? > But then how can you forgive them? And then if you forgive it becomes > denial sometimes. Sorry! I didn't mean to toss my self out there in > the middle of the converstations. It's just so hard to forgive some > people. I admire those who can, but feel some people shouldn't be > forgiven at least by me. > Tiffany > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 30, 2007 Thank you you gave me a great idea for tomarrow night...I appreciate that a lot. And yes that is exactly how i felt physical pain...and sometimes it still hurts when i let it get to me but i don't much anymore. I just kinda snub it like a snob.... Makes me feel above them. Like my father he calls my house to talk to my husband about cars not to say hi to me. He just isn't capable of relating to me never was. SO i do what i must and love him for who he is but i wont hang on his words and i wont pretend he is or ever was a loving father. HE was never there for me and never around unless my mother kicked me out then he'd do it for spite to her. It was cruel to grow up like that. Now i know not to look to much into it or care too much for that matter. he is my father i love him but he chose to live his life the way he does drugs and whatever. Then he preaches to me about God and going to church as if he does... I just smile and hug him and that is that.... And i have tried to talk to him but he only heres himself so i stopped. Tiffany , " crazycats711 " <crazycats711 wrote: > > Tiffany, your post made my heart ache for you. I know exactly how/ > what your are feeling. It hasn't been not so long ago that I was hurt > very deeply by family members, too the point I did not want to live > any longer. The pain their actions caused for me was the most > horrific thing I have ever gone through. For almost a year I went > through feeling nothing but pain, to the point my physical heart hurt > constantly. The one thing I learnt through all that was detachment. > Letting go of the anger and forgiving them wasn't an easy thing, and > I am still working on the trust aspect of it two years after the > fact. Gradually the trust has been returning, but I don't know if I > can ever get back to the point I was with them. I am hoping I can. > > Years ago, I think I hear it in a sermon, maybe. I wrote it down in > my bible. These are the words I wrote: Pray for understanding. When > you have " understanding " you aren't standing " over " a person with > criticism or judgement or unforgiveness. We need to " stand under " to > hear/see what is being said/done. > That is what I did. I prayed for understanding and it was given to > me. I also meditated everyday, visualizings my family being whole > again and us loving each other in a even more powerful way. It has > and is happening! > > Blessings to you and yours > CC > > > > Kundalini-Awakening-Systems- > 1 , " tiffmidngtwilo " <tiffmidngtwilo@> wrote: > > > > Forgiving isn't my specialties. I wouldn't be able to be so kind. I > > spent my whole life pretending nothing happened and only now i'm > able > > to accept that what did happen happened and i can't change that. > > Forgiving seems impossable right now. How do people handle these > > things, let go... Have the strength to do that? I try and somedays > I > > can but other days not so good. Like with friends the little things > i > > can get over and accept happened but then trust becomes the issue. > > How can you trust or is it okay not to trust those who have hurt > you? > > But then how can you forgive them? And then if you forgive it > becomes > > denial sometimes. Sorry! I didn't mean to toss my self out there in > > the middle of the converstations. It's just so hard to forgive some > > people. I admire those who can, but feel some people shouldn't be > > forgiven at least by me. > > Tiffany > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
