Guest guest Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Dear Ash ji, Namaskar Sincere thanks for your words attitude intension and time. I am trying my all time what i can collect to study this system. I guess this can takes time may be 3year (less points till that time also indicate hardwork and busy for me) Will continue my attempt/doubts hope for comments from moderators for same. I am enjoying achieves thanks to Krushna,sanjay,Donna,Peter,Magritta and all very nice considering old time and situation. hope that will helps me to understand and utilize system and finally to absorb root or essence of system so other all system and vedic text can be clarified with same so better results can be obtained related to timing of events. Everybody is trying/pushing here only to help others using there own approach It is really appreciated GOD WILL HELP THEM WHO HELPED OTHERS Please find below is thought process/approach: I am taking acceptance that person is not mentally retired and birth details are correct no rectification required Quality of 7th house: checking Ju in Libra in rashi/navamsa....navamsa has that...it is RK,NRK and LoE..seems not good for marriage. checking Ve nakshatra in rashi...bharni...ok checking Su and Ve distance in rashi...less then 43...ok checking Ve is with Ra,St or aspect in rashi/navamsa.....Ve is with St in navamsa....spoils Ve more checking LoA,LoB,LoC,LoD,LoE in rashi.....Ve,St..Mo,Ju checking planets with Ra in rashi/navamsa...Sa and Ju.....St is LoC and Ju is loE for 7th house and LoA for 5th house. checking Ra aspects on house in rashi/navamsa...9,12,2..7,9,11..12th is HoE,2nd is HoA,9th is karak for HoA and HoC for child..7th is HB,11th is HC checking Ra aspects on planets in rashi and navamsa...Me,Su......Me 6th lord become more malefic and Su LoB for child case checking for planets with 6th/12th lord in rashi/navamsa..... Ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord.....me is with ve in navamsa spoils ve. checking for aspects on house in rashi/navamsa by 6th/12th lord..... ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord..... checking for aspects on planets in rashi/navamsa by 6th/12th lord..... ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord..... cheking malefic aspects on ABCDE in rashi.....Ju with 5 points aspects to HoE,Ve with 6 points aspects to HB cheking benific aspects on ABCDE in rashi.....St with 2 points also LoC aspects to HB,HA and Mo aspects to HB Blessings,compatibility,DBCE,strong house,strong planets: as usual to be looked will look another time Finding significator: checking for 2nd lord in rashi......Ve is 2nd lord...Ve antra will bring more pain looking at 2,7,11 lords...ve and st....ve is with 6 points and st is with 2 points ....left st less points and left ve 2nd lord looking at 2,7,11 occupents ...me and su...me is with 7 points and su is with 4 points ...left su less points and left me 6th lord looking at 4,12 occupents...ju and ke(ju/ju)...so ju....ju is with 5 points ....considering ju ...left as in Libra and aspect malefic to HOE consider Reperesnter for Ra/Ke...Su,Ve/Ju,Ju......left Ra as alresdy left su and ve,left ke as already left ju looking at 4,12 lords....Mo,ju....considering moon as already left ju....mo may act.........still requires more time for me to finalise ------------------ Regards, Devisingh Ash's Corner wrote: Dear Devisingh ji, Very nice attempt. Please continue your chain of thought. Try to find the antra that you think might give marriage. Just go upto antra. So first compute the delay and there after start to think over the best possible period that u think can give the event. However, do write your thinking process. That will help one figure out where you are going away or your confusion. Well Done. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of devisigh Thursday November 5, 2009 6:42 AM To: Re: Re: Practice Chart Dear All; My first attempt using KAS rules/techniques only 7th house marriage: selecting Mo main Dasha which is with FK Ve for 7th house Su and Ju seems significator from ws points for 7th house other planets aspects 7th house i left them Su is with Me which is 6th load makes Su samdharmi to 6th lord i left that Ju having highest points and also LoE now considering Ju only as strong significator which in RK and NRK and natural samdharmi to Mo which is LoD. Ju does not have sight on A/B/C and is LoE can gives results Thinking for samdharmi of Ju in navamsa Ju is with Ra ...makes Ju and Ra samdharmi Ra can be thought to facilitate results for 7th house matters ........still this takes time for me to finalize ------------------ Regards, Devisingh ashsam73 wrote: Dear Nikhlesh ji, You are correct. It was a typo. It was good that I gave the degree of all planets so this mistake could be checked right in the begining. Thanks Nikhlesh ji. The date should be May 24th. 24th May 1979 4:10 AM 28N40 77E13 Sorry about that. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , "nikhlesh mathur" <nikhleshmathur wrote: > > > > Sub: 24th Feb 1979, 4.10 am, 28.N.40, 77.E.13 > Dear Ash ji, > > You said that Su is 9Ta31 for the above native. But a person born on the month of Feb cannot have his Sun in Taurus sign. It should be in Aquarius at this time. > > If other things are okay then I think the birth date is 24th May. > > Please confirm. > > Regards, > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:47:29 +0530 wrote > > > > Add to > this. > > > 6) When > can the native face health problems? > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > Ash's Corner [kas] > Monday October 26, 2009 > 12:18 AM > To: > ' ' > Practice Chart > > > Dear > Group, > > > > This > lady has been posting charts in various lists for many years now. > > > > Here is > the chart > > > > 24th > Feb 1979 > > 4:10 AM > > 28N40 > > 77E13 > > > > From > what I gather, she had an affair or liked some guy that she wanted to > marry. I am not clear from her posts > that if she married the same guy or not. > Her parents were looking out for some proposals for her. > > > > If this > chart came blindly to you, can you predict the following. > > > > 1) > Marriage > > 2) > Child birth > > 3) > Marital Relations overall > > 4) > She has been complaining that relations are bad after marriage and > asked if she should go for divorce. > > 5) > Why she had affair or what are the yogs for that in this chart. > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > Degrees > > > > > As > > > 15 Ar 55 > > > > > Su > > > 9 Ta 31 > > > > > Mo > > > 13 Ar 48 > > > > > Ma > > > 13 Ar 8 > > > > > Me > > > 2 Ta 15 > > > > > Ju > > > 11 Cn 16 > > > > > Ve > > > 14 Ar 30 > > > > > Sa > > > 14 Le 35 > > > > > Ra > > > 20 Le 59 > > > > > Ke > > > 20 Aq 59 > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009  Dear Nikhlesh ji, Thank you for the detail explanation however, I think I need to rephrase this question: Say for example two people approach you a man and a woman both with exact same charts same birth dates, same rural urban place marrying to two different individuals. If we have to pick the antra for marriage when they are around 17 years of age, say they both are 17 now, than with full Sa delay will the delay end for both at the same time after they turn 27 and half. OR even though the charts are exact same will there be any difference because one is a male and other female. I do appreciate your time Nikhlesh ji for replying me. Thank you, -Bella. - nikhlesh mathur chandni_99 Cc: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:43 AM Re: Re: Practice chart Subject : Bella ji's question 1) "Keeping Desh Kaal Patra in mind we have to make the judgement but say for example there is a boy and a girl from urban rural area in India, same place where the legal age is 18 and 21. They both are uneducated and both are under same delay than with this 3 years difference how do we pick the antra for each one."Dear Bellaji,I am rather still trying to understand your question-1.You asked that there is a boy of 21 years and there is a girl of 18 years and if both are under same delay then how do we pick the antra for marriage.However, I would try to answer your question considering what I understood from it is right.When there is a 3 year difference in the age of these two candidates for marriage then it is obvious that the Saturn sign of the girl is atleast one sign (or many be two signs also) before the Saturn sign of the boy. You say that the same delay equations hold good for both. If this is the case then the delay of Boy would tend be over atleast 2.5 years before the girl’s Sa delay. They can get married to separate persons in different years and this is very much feasible.If suppose they get married to each other then obviously the Sa delay of the boy would be 'Extending' until the delay of the girl is also over or it may be that the girl’s Sa delay is geting neutralized due to Blessings. For this we need to examine the individual charts. There could be many other reasons as well.The reasons for such extension in delay could be any of the following:1. That there is also Ju delay for the boy, not for the girl.2. That there are other delaying factors such as Sa getting retrograde when boy’s delay tend to ends but not so when girl’s Sa delay tends to ends.3. That the right antra for the boy did not come immediately after the delay.4. I am not counting on reasons due to personality, thinking, attitude etc as you have mentioned that both to be rather uneducated.Did I understand your question in its right perspective? If I have not then do let me know, I would like to understand it more and then try replying it from some other angle.Regards,Nikhlesh MathurOn Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:08:48 +0530 wroteDear Nikhlesh ji,Sorry, got little tied up.Like Ash ji has recommended to attempt again and again to strengthen the basic, can we please put this separation questionnaire towards the end.I would love to surely discuss little later, but if you don't mind can we please again review our basics about Sa delay.Here is my view:Sa Delay:Sa is at 15’35. I am going to attempt the delay of Sa for an Indian lady where legal age is 18 years.27.5 – 15.35 = 25.5 + 15 months 17 days.= 26 yrs 9 months 17 days. (approx)Therefore her delay should be over on Mar 13 2006. Of course, we have to keep Desh Kaap Patra in mind and judge the antra accordingly.Her delay period was over as soon as Ra antra started which is Feb 2006 but I would predict 3rd sector because of full Sa delay which is Jan 17 2007 – Jul 10 2007.Also Sa is in 5th Hs and will not nullify the delay.Please comment on this antra.Nikhlesh ji, I have a question.1) Keeping Desh Kaal Patra in mind we have to make the judgement but say for example there is a boy and a girl from urban rural area in India, same place where the legal age is 18 and 21. They both are uneducated and both are under same delay than with this 3 years difference how do we pick the antra for each one.2) Now,I see that you have picked Mo antra. This could be a very basic question but I am lost so I am going to ask. How do you see Sa retrogation in previous sign or how do you use the transit chart to find the retrogation planet during certain period.Thank you,-Bella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009  Dear Nikhlesh ji, THanks again as usual for detailed info. I am going to slowly go over and again if I get stuck or I have question I will get back. Thank you, -Bella. - nikhlesh mathur chandni_99 Cc: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:23 AM Re: Re: Practice chart Dear Bella ji,I am trying to answer your 2nd question first.It would be easier to understand the computation of delay if you consider that if Sa is of more degrees then comparatively it will take lesser time to arrive at the door step of its previous sign. It is like a head-start available for a race to a candidate. It reaches the finishing point in lesser time theoretically.If Sa is at zero degree in a sign then it will take full 27.5 years to arrive at the door step of the previous sign.That is, higher the degrees of Sa (say 29 degrees) lesser would be the time it will take to go around the chart and enter the previous sign and so lesser would be the delay. The Sa delay factor is included here in degrees.So the theorem is clear. For Sa delay observe the date on which it just enters the previous sign.Now this is not sufficient.Sa might retrograde and return back to the previous sign.This would mean that it has yet not completed the delay. It sort of teased the native about completion of delay but went back and in this process continued to cause the delay.Let me spare a few words about a planet being retrograde.We all know that Sun is stationary and all planets including our Earth are moving. In astrology we assume that Sun is also moving and that yes all planets are moving around Sun.In the subject Physics we learnt about relative motion. Often in a stationary train we feel it is moving if we see another train moving in backward direction. This is relative motion.Retrograde is also relative motion. It is relative to Sun.Please check out various charts you have. Observe that when any planet (apart from Moon) is in houses 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th from Sun then generally you would find them retrograde.This is just a rough idea. There are other conditions also. The degrees are very-very important here. Particular angular distance of a planet (apart from Rahu, Ketu, Moon) from Sun makes it either retrograde or in direct motion.It is like you are standing on a moving Sun and when you see a moving planet just opposite to it you feel it is going in the reverse direction. Rahu Ketu are always retrograde. So planets keep becoming retrograde in transit because of their placement with respect to Sun (relative to Sun).This is just to give a scientific insight on the topic which I believe all must already be knowing.Now coming back to the method of how you check for retrograde Sa (or any other planet).First remember that in our KAS program a planet gets suffixed by capital R when it goes retrograde.Now when you detect the date on which Sa enters the previous sign (for computing delay), observe the position of Sun in transit. Is it likely to arrive at a position such that it is 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th from the transit house of Saturn during the next 30 months?If yes, simply keep putting different dates in the transit chart and keep observing the Sa degrees. Are these degrees increasing or decreasing?If they are decreasing then observe when the alphabet R gets suffixed to Sa.That is the date when Sa gets retrograde. Beware! it might still be in the same sign.Keep putting more dates one by one (or week by week) further. Keep observing Sa degrees. When it is retrograde it must be decreasing day by day. Soon you will find Sa jumping in the previous sign one fine day.In the chart in question Sa entered Cancer sign for the 1st time on 29th Aug 2004 from Gemini. Then it turned retrograde on 8th Nov 2004 when Sa had already travelled 4 degrees in Cancer. Observe the position of Sun at that time (23Li37). It is 251 degrees away from Sa.Then on 24th Jan 2005 it skips back in Gemini sign. Observe the relative position of Sun then. The Saturn was 6th from it.On 22nd March 2005 Sa stops being retrograde but continues to remain in the Gemini sign. This means the delay is still continued. Sun was 9Pi9 at that time. Proceed further. Keep an eye on the degrees of Sa. Check what happened on 16th May 2005.On 16th May 2005 it jumps forward into the Cancer sign. Observe the position of Sun at that time. It was in Taurus sign which was 11th from the Saturn new house. So Saturn can then never turn retrograde again while in Cancer sign during its remaining period there.Now the delay is technically over on 16th May 2005.Check for the antra on that date and proceed with your analysis.Regards,Nikhlesh MathurOn Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:08:48 +0530 wroteDear Nikhlesh ji,Sorry, got little tied up.Like Ash ji has recommended to attempt again and again to strengthen the basic, can we please put this separation questionnaire towards the end.I would love to surely discuss little later, but if you don't mind can we please again review our basics about Sa delay.Here is my view:Sa Delay:Sa is at 15’35. I am going to attempt the delay of Sa for an Indian lady where legal age is 18 years.27.5 – 15.35 = 25.5 + 15 months 17 days.= 26 yrs 9 months 17 days. (approx)Therefore her delay should be over on Mar 13 2006. Of course, we have to keep Desh Kaap Patra in mind and judge the antra accordingly.Her delay period was over as soon as Ra antra started which is Feb 2006 but I would predict 3rd sector because of full Sa delay which is Jan 17 2007 – Jul 10 2007.Also Sa is in 5th Hs and will not nullify the delay.Please comment on this antra.Nikhlesh ji, I have a question.1) Keeping Desh Kaal Patra in mind we have to make the judgement but say for example there is a boy and a girl from urban rural area in India, same place where the legal age is 18 and 21. They both are uneducated and both are under same delay than with this 3 years difference how do we pick the antra for each one.2) Now,I see that you have picked Mo antra. This could be a very basic question but I am lost so I am going to ask. How do you see Sa retrogation in previous sign or how do you use the transit chart to find the retrogation planet during certain period.Thank you,-Bella. 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Guest guest Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Dear Nikhlesh ji and group, Yes the delay is technically over in may 2005. so following antras are Mars,Rahu,Ju and Sa antra. What do you think about these antras? Mars aspect 7th house now next possible antras for 1] Marriage 2] Conception 3] Health issues etc ???? Regards Anup --- On Sat, 7/11/09, nikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathur wrote: nikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathurRe: Re: Practice chartchandni_99Cc: Date: Saturday, 7 November, 2009, 11:53 AM Dear Bella ji,I am trying to answer your 2nd question first.It would be easier to understand the computation of delay if you consider that if Sa is of more degrees then comparatively it will take lesser time to arrive at the door step of its previous sign. It is like a head-start available for a race to a candidate. It reaches the finishing point in lesser time theoretically.If Sa is at zero degree in a sign then it will take full 27.5 years to arrive at the door step of the previous sign.That is, higher the degrees of Sa (say 29 degrees) lesser would be the time it will take to go around the chart and enter the previous sign and so lesser would be the delay. The Sa delay factor is included here in degrees.So the theorem is clear. For Sa delay observe the date on which it just enters the previous sign.Now this is not sufficient.Sa might retrograde and return back to the previous sign.This would mean that it has yet not completed the delay. It sort of teased the native about completion of delay but went back and in this process continued to cause the delay.Let me spare a few words about a planet being retrograde.We all know that Sun is stationary and all planets including our Earth are moving. In astrology we assume that Sun is also moving and that yes all planets are moving around Sun.In the subject Physics we learnt about relative motion. Often in a stationary train we feel it is moving if we see another train moving in backward direction. This is relative motion.Retrograde is also relative motion. It is relative to Sun.Please check out various charts you have. Observe that when any planet (apart from Moon) is in houses 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th from Sun then generally you would find them retrograde.This is just a rough idea. There are other conditions also. The degrees are very-very important here. Particular angular distance of a planet (apart from Rahu, Ketu, Moon) from Sun makes it either retrograde or in direct motion.It is like you are standing on a moving Sun and when you see a moving planet just opposite to it you feel it is going in the reverse direction. Rahu Ketu are always retrograde. So planets keep becoming retrograde in transit because of their placement with respect to Sun (relative to Sun).This is just to give a scientific insight on the topic which I believe all must already be knowing.Now coming back to the method of how you check for retrograde Sa (or any other planet).First remember that in our KAS program a planet gets suffixed by capital R when it goes retrograde.Now when you detect the date on which Sa enters the previous sign (for computing delay), observe the position of Sun in transit. Is it likely to arrive at a position such that it is 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th from the transit house of Saturn during the next 30 months?If yes, simply keep putting different dates in the transit chart and keep observing the Sa degrees. Are these degrees increasing or decreasing?If they are decreasing then observe when the alphabet R gets suffixed to Sa.That is the date when Sa gets retrograde. Beware! it might still be in the same sign.Keep putting more dates one by one (or week by week) further. Keep observing Sa degrees. When it is retrograde it must be decreasing day by day. Soon you will find Sa jumping in the previous sign one fine day.In the chart in question Sa entered Cancer sign for the 1st time on 29th Aug 2004 from Gemini. Then it turned retrograde on 8th Nov 2004 when Sa had already travelled 4 degrees in Cancer. Observe the position of Sun at that time (23Li37). It is 251 degrees away from Sa.Then on 24th Jan 2005 it skips back in Gemini sign. Observe the relative position of Sun then. The Saturn was 6th from it.On 22nd March 2005 Sa stops being retrograde but continues to remain in the Gemini sign. This means the delay is still continued. Sun was 9Pi9 at that time. Proceed further. Keep an eye on the degrees of Sa. Check what happened on 16th May 2005.On 16th May 2005 it jumps forward into the Cancer sign. Observe the position of Sun at that time. It was in Taurus sign which was 11th from the Saturn new house. So Saturn can then never turn retrograde again while in Cancer sign during its remaining period there.Now the delay is technically over on 16th May 2005.Check for the antra on that date and proceed with your analysis.Regards,Nikhlesh MathurOn Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:08:48 +0530 wroteDear Nikhlesh ji,Sorry, got little tied up.Like Ash ji has recommended to attempt again and again to strengthen the basic, can we please put this separation questionnaire towards the end.I would love to surely discuss little later, but if you don't mind can we please again review our basics about Sa delay.Here is my view:Sa Delay:Sa is at 15’35. I am going to attempt the delay of Sa for an Indian lady where legal age is 18 years.27.5 – 15.35 = 25.5 + 15 months 17 days.= 26 yrs 9 months 17 days. (approx)Therefore her delay should be over on Mar 13 2006. Of course, we have to keep Desh Kaap Patra in mind and judge the antra accordingly.Her delay period was over as soon as Ra antra started which is Feb 2006 but I would predict 3rd sector because of full Sa delay which is Jan 17 2007 – Jul 10 2007.Also Sa is in 5th Hs and will not nullify the delay.Please comment on this antra.Nikhlesh ji, I have a question.1) Keeping Desh Kaal Patra in mind we have to make the judgement but say for example there is a boy and a girl from urban rural area in India, same place where the legal age is 18 and 21. They both are uneducated and both are under same delay than with this 3 years difference how do we pick the antra for each one.2) Now,I see that you have picked Mo antra. This could be a very basic question but I am lost so I am going to ask. How do you see Sa retrogation in previous sign or how do you use the transit chart to find the retrogation planet during certain period.Thank you,-Bella. Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. 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Guest guest Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009  Dear Nikhlesh ji, very nice explanation on retrogation. Now to calculate the degrees I agree with you and I am following your link. So even if Sa is not retro in Rasi chart (like the example of our current chart), but still to compute proper delay of Sa we have to see the transit of Su and also SaR in previous sign that is if the degrees are decreasing. Now from this I gather that if the degrees are increasing than Sa is moving further normally and the delay will be according to the calculation. Am I following you correctly? Thank you, -Bella. - nikhlesh mathur chandni_99 Cc: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:23 AM Re: Re: Practice chart Dear Bella ji,I am trying to answer your 2nd question first.It would be easier to understand the computation of delay if you consider that if Sa is of more degrees then comparatively it will take lesser time to arrive at the door step of its previous sign. It is like a head-start available for a race to a candidate. It reaches the finishing point in lesser time theoretically.If Sa is at zero degree in a sign then it will take full 27.5 years to arrive at the door step of the previous sign.That is, higher the degrees of Sa (say 29 degrees) lesser would be the time it will take to go around the chart and enter the previous sign and so lesser would be the delay. The Sa delay factor is included here in degrees.So the theorem is clear. For Sa delay observe the date on which it just enters the previous sign.Now this is not sufficient.Sa might retrograde and return back to the previous sign.This would mean that it has yet not completed the delay. It sort of teased the native about completion of delay but went back and in this process continued to cause the delay.Let me spare a few words about a planet being retrograde.We all know that Sun is stationary and all planets including our Earth are moving. In astrology we assume that Sun is also moving and that yes all planets are moving around Sun.In the subject Physics we learnt about relative motion. Often in a stationary train we feel it is moving if we see another train moving in backward direction. This is relative motion.Retrograde is also relative motion. It is relative to Sun.Please check out various charts you have. Observe that when any planet (apart from Moon) is in houses 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th from Sun then generally you would find them retrograde.This is just a rough idea. There are other conditions also. The degrees are very-very important here. Particular angular distance of a planet (apart from Rahu, Ketu, Moon) from Sun makes it either retrograde or in direct motion.It is like you are standing on a moving Sun and when you see a moving planet just opposite to it you feel it is going in the reverse direction. Rahu Ketu are always retrograde. So planets keep becoming retrograde in transit because of their placement with respect to Sun (relative to Sun).This is just to give a scientific insight on the topic which I believe all must already be knowing.Now coming back to the method of how you check for retrograde Sa (or any other planet).First remember that in our KAS program a planet gets suffixed by capital R when it goes retrograde.Now when you detect the date on which Sa enters the previous sign (for computing delay), observe the position of Sun in transit. Is it likely to arrive at a position such that it is 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th from the transit house of Saturn during the next 30 months?If yes, simply keep putting different dates in the transit chart and keep observing the Sa degrees. Are these degrees increasing or decreasing?If they are decreasing then observe when the alphabet R gets suffixed to Sa.That is the date when Sa gets retrograde. Beware! it might still be in the same sign.Keep putting more dates one by one (or week by week) further. Keep observing Sa degrees. When it is retrograde it must be decreasing day by day. Soon you will find Sa jumping in the previous sign one fine day.In the chart in question Sa entered Cancer sign for the 1st time on 29th Aug 2004 from Gemini. Then it turned retrograde on 8th Nov 2004 when Sa had already travelled 4 degrees in Cancer. Observe the position of Sun at that time (23Li37). It is 251 degrees away from Sa.Then on 24th Jan 2005 it skips back in Gemini sign. Observe the relative position of Sun then. The Saturn was 6th from it.On 22nd March 2005 Sa stops being retrograde but continues to remain in the Gemini sign. This means the delay is still continued. Sun was 9Pi9 at that time. Proceed further. Keep an eye on the degrees of Sa. Check what happened on 16th May 2005.On 16th May 2005 it jumps forward into the Cancer sign. Observe the position of Sun at that time. It was in Taurus sign which was 11th from the Saturn new house. So Saturn can then never turn retrograde again while in Cancer sign during its remaining period there.Now the delay is technically over on 16th May 2005.Check for the antra on that date and proceed with your analysis.Regards,Nikhlesh MathurOn Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:08:48 +0530 wroteDear Nikhlesh ji,Sorry, got little tied up.Like Ash ji has recommended to attempt again and again to strengthen the basic, can we please put this separation questionnaire towards the end.I would love to surely discuss little later, but if you don't mind can we please again review our basics about Sa delay.Here is my view:Sa Delay:Sa is at 15’35. I am going to attempt the delay of Sa for an Indian lady where legal age is 18 years.27.5 – 15.35 = 25.5 + 15 months 17 days.= 26 yrs 9 months 17 days. (approx)Therefore her delay should be over on Mar 13 2006. Of course, we have to keep Desh Kaap Patra in mind and judge the antra accordingly.Her delay period was over as soon as Ra antra started which is Feb 2006 but I would predict 3rd sector because of full Sa delay which is Jan 17 2007 – Jul 10 2007.Also Sa is in 5th Hs and will not nullify the delay.Please comment on this antra.Nikhlesh ji, I have a question.1) Keeping Desh Kaal Patra in mind we have to make the judgement but say for example there is a boy and a girl from urban rural area in India, same place where the legal age is 18 and 21. They both are uneducated and both are under same delay than with this 3 years difference how do we pick the antra for each one.2) Now,I see that you have picked Mo antra. This could be a very basic question but I am lost so I am going to ask. How do you see Sa retrogation in previous sign or how do you use the transit chart to find the retrogation planet during certain period.Thank you,-Bella. 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Guest guest Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 08.11.09 Hello Bella ji, If these two candidates in your example have the same chart then the full Sa delay would technically end after both of them complete 25.5 years of age (not 27.5 years of age). Now I assume that the two charts are identical. With this consideration it becomes quite a theoretical case because even in case of twins there is difference in their Navansh charts. A gap of couple of minutes in birth changes the degrees of atleast the fast moving planets in such a way that their Navansh get changed (Navansh change with change in 3 degree 20 minutes gap and this if integrated backwardly might indicate a negligible birth time difference). Yes, I believe that there would be difference in marriage delay period because of the sex of the persons. You can refer to chapter 30 of KAS. Mars and Moon are more important in case of females for marriage. Mars rules the sex life of a female. So if such a mars is acting malefically in the charts of both boy and the girl then it is bound to delay the marriage of girl more than that of the boy. Then the effect of Jupiter applies only for female charts (for male charts Jupiter is the karak for child births). Now, I would like to mention one more thing here. If at all we come across such a case with identical charts then it becomes even more important, rather mandatory to go for birth time rectifications. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:07:51 +0530 wrote Dear Nikhlesh ji, Thank you for the detailexplanation however, I think I need to rephrase this question: Say for example two people approach you a man and a woman both with exact same charts same birth dates, same rural urban placemarrying to two different individuals. If we have to pick the antra for marriage when they are around 17 years of age, say they both are 17 now, than with full Sa delay will the delay end for both at the same time after they turn 27 and half. OR even though the charts are exact same will there be any difference because one is a male and other female. I do appreciate your time Nikhlesh jifor replying me. Thank you, -Bella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 08.11.09 Sub: Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55 Dear Group, Proceeding further on the same chart for real practice, I wish to express the following; The Sa delay ends in May 2005 and at that time the Moon antra was in operation which is strong enough to give the marriage event. What if Moon antra do not give the event? The next antra is that of Mars. Mars aspects house B (and is weak) so it should not give the result on its own. Moon is SD to Mars. So Moon might depute Mars for the job which it somehow could not accomplish. Mars would be eager to work for Moon but it does not have strength to accomplish this mission. Mars has only 12 points for 7th house and so is not strong (it is a boundary-line case). Mars also has affliction of Rahu and so it would not give the marriage event. The Mars antra completes in Feb 2006. Next is Rahu antra. Ra antra: Rahu represent Ve Su. It is more like Ve. Rahu is LoE for 12th house. It would be eager to give the results of the 12th house (this house is also considered for marriage). Rahu represents Su also which is LoE for 12th. Ve is aspected by Rahu and has low power for 7th house. One of the events told is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. If this is the case then she might have got married in a planet of lower strength. Ve is weak for 7th house and also for 12th house and Rahu represents Ve. Most probably she got marriage in Ra AD (Feb 06 to Aug 07). When marriage is unhappy then it is usually performed in the sub period of the significator planet which has low points. Here Ve is significator for marriage but has low points for 7th house. So marriage in the antra of Rahu is possible if the Moon antra earlier is missed. Ju antra : If suppose marriage could not take place in Rahu antra as well then the next antra is of Ju. Here Ju is LoE and very strong for 7th house. But it is said and also understood from the chart that there is marriage unhappiness. Here Ju is of 30 points for 7th house so it will give the timing but it also has mf of 1.4 which makes it extremely good for the quality of the event happened in its AD. Marriage happiness is not seen. So Ju antra must not have given marriage. Sa antra : Next is Sa antra. Sa had been the delay causing planet and therefore if the native is still unmarried when this antra came then it will give marriage in the 1st sector itself ( Dec 08 to June 09). But again here Sa is strong for 7th house and even after taking mf into account it indicates to give marital happiness which practically speaking is not the case with this native. INERENCE INDICATED: Considering that this lady had a love marriage and taking into account the unhappiness in her married life, the stronger indications are that she got married in the antra of Ra (representing Ve) which means marrying in low power planet and when the antra of Ju arrived next, some problems started cropping in the married life. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:33:18 +0530 wrote Dear Nikhlesh ji and group, Yes the delay is technically over in may 2005. sofollowing antras are Mars,Rahu,Ju and Sa antra. What do you think about these antras? Mars aspect 7th house now next possible antras for 1] Marriage 2] Conception 3] Health issues etc ???? Regards Anup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2009 Report Share Posted November 8, 2009 Dear Group, Let me correct here which is understood wrongly somewhere in the mail below. Here Moon is not SD to Mars but Mars is SD to Moon. So Mars should act in Moon antra replacing Moon. Regards Anup --- On Sun, 8/11/09, nikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathur wrote: nikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathurRe: Practice chart Date: Sunday, 8 November, 2009, 2:30 PM 08.11.09Sub: Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55Dear Group,Proceeding further on the same chart for real practice, I wish to express the following;The Sa delay ends in May 2005 and at that time the Moon antra was in operation which is strong enough to give the marriage event.What if Moon antra do not give the event?The next antra is that of Mars.Mars aspects house B (and is weak) so it should not give the result on its own.Moon is SD to Mars. So Moon might depute Mars for the job which it somehow could not accomplish.Mars would be eager to work for Moon but it does not have strength to accomplish this mission. Mars has only 12 points for 7th house and so is not strong (it is a boundary-line case).Mars also has affliction of Rahu and so it would not give the marriage event.The Mars antra completes in Feb 2006. Next is Rahu antra.Ra antra: Rahu represent Ve Su. It is more like Ve.Rahu is LoE for 12th house. It would be eager to give the results of the 12th house (this house is also considered for marriage).Rahu represents Su also which is LoE for 12th.Ve is aspected by Rahu and has low power for 7th house. One of the events told is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. If this is the case then she might have got married in a planet of lower strength. Ve is weak for 7th house and also for 12th house and Rahu represents Ve. Most probably she got marriage in Ra AD (Feb 06 to Aug 07). When marriage is unhappy then it is usually performed in the sub period of the significator planet which has low points. Here Ve is significator for marriage but has low points for 7th house.So marriage in the antra of Rahu is possible if the Moon antra earlier is missed.Ju antra : If suppose marriage could not take place in Rahu antra as well then the next antra is of Ju.Here Ju is LoE and very strong for 7th house.But it is said and also understood from the chart that there is marriage unhappiness.Here Ju is of 30 points for 7th house so it will give the timing but it also has mf of 1.4 which makes it extremely good for the quality of the event happened in its AD.Marriage happiness is not seen. So Ju antra must not have given marriage.Sa antra : Next is Sa antra. Sa had been the delay causing planet and therefore if the native is still unmarried when this antra came then it will give marriage in the 1st sector itself ( Dec 08 to June 09). But again here Sa is strong for 7th house and even after taking mf into account it indicates to give marital happiness which practically speaking is not the case with this native.INERENCE INDICATED:Considering that this lady had a love marriage and taking into account the unhappiness in her married life, the stronger indications are that she got married in the antra of Ra (representing Ve) which means marrying in low power planet and when the antra of Ju arrived next, some problems started cropping in the married life.Regards,Nikhlesh MathurOn Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:33:18 +0530 wrote Dear Nikhlesh ji and group,Yes the delay is technically over in may 2005.sofollowing antras are Mars,Rahu,Ju and Sa antra.What do you think about these antras?Mars aspect 7th house now next possible antras for 1] Marriage 2] Conception3] Health issues etc ????RegardsAnup The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Dear Ash ji,Anup ji and all membersVery happy that see an active group.I am busy these days and also tired because of work,but try to give a short analysis .For marriage it's clear that we have just full Sa's delay.But we should notice that here Sa is in the Nakshtra of Ve which is NK and FK for marriage.It will moderate the delay of Sa.He may has got married in the age of 25/26 in Mo MD and Mo antra.The moderation of the delay is not because of the blessing.(we have a good blessing relative to Su as Ve and Sa are in Nav-Pancham but Sa is delay causing planet and the blessing is not able to give an early marriage,just nullify bad effects.Let me say this too, there is possibility of child birth in Mo and Ma antras after marraige.I see the possibilty of heart attack in her chart as Su is 5th lord and Ma is with Mo as 4th lord.She should be take care in Mo-Ve,it may be a bad accident(because of heart attach etc).You can see this in the WS clearly.If you snslyze the chart blindly,you can see both Mo and Ve show 7th house matters9in addition othe houses which are related to other matters).We can see 8th house is related to 7th house too in D1.We can see that 6th lord is with 5th lord(12th from 6) in 2nd house.It may shows some problems in the health matters related to 2nd.Because the shortage of time I couldn't study the chart more accurate.Will do it when I am free.Best WishesHussein , "ashsam73" <kas wrote:>> Dear Shalini ji,> > Good.> > I can see now why you are having problems in understanding this concept. Still the basics have to be stronger.> > For Q1 -> You have not answered Why Ju creates delay? What that planet Ju?> > You are addressing, under what conditions will Ju cause delay. What I am asking you the very basic question and that is why the planet Ju is considered as the planet that can cause delay?> > Q2 -> Ok, so in reference to your initial question regarding Ju, I think your reference to Ju with less bindus and more bindus should get clear or atleast the understanding of the same should start to get clear. We have to apply the very basics. That is why i keep insisting, that clear the basics and the rest will fall in place. If u start to build on shakey ground then everything will collapse.> Time is well invested if spent in firming the basics of KAS. As u go into detail of the system, you will realise that the same laws are used and understanding the essense of it will help one grasp the detail portion. > > Q3) -> No to happy with your reply. You have said few things, but some things are not clear or added. Please write more on it. Explain what you mean by the terms Obstruct, Delay, Spoil? What is the meaning of all this? > > Q4) -> Not complete or incorrect understanding. Maybe you might have missed something. As per what you have written, Planet A at 29 deg Sag and Planet B at 1 deg Cap will be considered conjunct as they will be in the same nakshatra? Is that your understanding? > > Therefore in your question that you asked initially regarding ju conjoing planet etc etc the basic itself is incorrect therefore you are having difficulty in understanding that law.> > Q5) -> Status and Quality is ok, but I am not clear regarding what you mean by Length of marriage? Please clarify?> > Q6) -> ok.> > Q7) -> Again, you havent answered the question, why is Ju spoilt in Libra? What is special about the sign libra w.r.t Ju? Here itself the basic is not clear? > > Q8) Incorrect answer or not what I was looking for.> > Q9) So if 6th lord is at 1 deg in a sign and other planet is at 28 deg in the sign then? The theory that you have applied is ok. Then, this should answer some portion of your initial query to me regarding what is 6th lord joins other planets.> > Q10) -> Not happy with the answer and not what i was looking for at all. Refer to the archives and lessons. This is a very important point. > > What you have answered is applicable to Ju owning any house. Here I have specifically asked u about Ju as 6th lord aspecting ..... > > Q11) -> Again conjunction, you should clarify, what if LoA and LoB are at 29 deg in the sign and Ju as 6th lord is in 1st deg of the same house? is the it same as say if both were in same nak as well and or say if they were in same sign, same nak and same nav i.e. < 3deg20 apart? Again, your basics about conjunction is not clear and therefore u are not able to get these points cleared. In any case, just read up on all this from the archives.> > Q12) -> Incorrect answer. If Ju is 6th lord then there is a possiblity that Ju can also be 12th lord too i.e. for Cancer lagna. Then for 12th house, Ju will become LoE then how it can spoil 12th house????> > The very basic answer to that is in the lessons and this has been discussed at length in the archives about 6th lord in 4th house and then what if Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house.> > After that you add the angle of their SAV bindus .... then u can gauge ..... (these are hints for you).> > This basic is weak i.e. Q12. You must get this 100% cleared otherwise u will keep getting stuck in future.> > > Please take your time, take a paper and pen, and draw out the different scenarios and try to grasp all this.> > > Your attempt is sincere and good Shalini ji, but still I expect a lot of parisharm from you, because I can see u doing well, but then all good students have to be pushed and have to put in far more effort to strife for perfection. > > Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > , "shalini" shalini3004@ wrote:> >> > Dear Ash Ji,> > > > Yes,Ash Ji I am here to learn sincerely. Please find my answers below. > > > > 1) Why does Ju cause delay?> > > > Jupiter only causes delay when it has more than 4 bindus for it's position when it's aspect becomes malefic. When a malefic Guru aspects LoA, B or HA, HB it then obstruct and delays the results for HB. > > > > 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean?> > > > When a planet has more than 4 bindus it means they are benefic planet for the house they sit in but become malefic for the house/houses they aspect. > > > > 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect?> > > > A malefic planet's aspect obstructs or delays, spoils the house/houses it aspects. > > > > 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction?> > > > When two or more planets are in conjunction they influence one another. If the conjunction is with a planet that is in the same star they become SD. > > > > 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage?> > > > Jupiter is Natural Root Karak (9L) for marriage. Thus, Guru's health becomes very important to understand the status, quality and length of marriage. > > > > 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions?> > > > I believe this would be the same answer as given above. > > > > 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance> > of that?> > > > Jupiter in Libra loses its karaktva and gives opposite results if it has> > less than 12 points. > > > > 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus?> > > > 6L is considered the most malefic planet in KAS and Guru with more than 4 bindus it's aspect would be considered even more harsh as Guru has become 6L. > > > > 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet?> > > > When 6L conjoins any planet it afflicts, delays, obstructs the results of the house that planet is Karak for.> > > > 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but> > both?> > > > There will be full Guru Delay and Guru afflicts Houses A and B and their lords thus compromising the results as 6L Guru harms the karak lord and house B two important houses for HB affects to materialize. > > > > 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB?> > > > In such a case it afflicting both significators with it's influence by conjunction. > > > > 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus?> > > > When a planet is with more bindus it is a benefic for this house. 4H is HD for marriage. Normally planets with 6 bindus in HD become eager to furnish results as I believe Guru as 6L would do here as well, however the result of HB may not be good also in 4h with more points Guru malefically aspects 12H which HE for 7H as HB. Guru as 6L with less than 4 bindus is debilitated in HD thus spoils HD, though casting benefic aspect to 12H 6L's aspect cannot completely be considered benefic.> > > > Thank You.> > > > With Kind Regards,> > > > Shalini> > > > > > , "ashsam73" <kas@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shalini ji,> > > > > > Ok lets get the learning on the way regarding your questions, shall we.> > > > > > 1) Why does Ju cause delay?> > > 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean?> > > 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect?> > > 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction?> > > > > > 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage? > > > 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions? > > > > > > 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance of that?> > > 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus?> > > 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet?> > > 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but both?> > > 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB?> > > 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus?> > > > > > Lets focus on the very basics and hopefully, you will start to get your answers regarding Ju's delay.> > > > > > Lets start the learning.> > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > > > ps: Replace the word "Harsh" with "Blunt". > > > , "shalini" <shalini3004@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Ash Ji,> > > > > > > > I do not understand why your post is so harsh when I am not being so. I myself have said that Saturn delay commences when saturn re-enters the sign after retrograding I only wanted confirmation as it was not corrected when another member had used a different date for satrun delay to be commenced for quiz 1. I am here to learn and do not seek spoon feeding I do not believe my posts indicate so. I am asking for clarifications only when what is in the archives is not corrected when a members posts something different in present time. > > > > > > > > With Kind Regards,> > > > > > > > Shalini> > > > > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" <kas@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shalini ji,> > > > > > > > > > Your facts are incorrect. I have written about this point and it must be in the archives about taking the final entry of Saturn. You can search this point / my mail in the archives. > > > > > > > > > > Its just that the participants had overlooked this point and hence I pointed this out specifically.> > > > > > > > > > Your questions to me are more spoon feeding type questions. All these things have been discussed and the reason for this Quiz is so that one can get a concrete example to study and brush up the basics. > > > > > > > > > > I mean its a given, that the participants will take the pains to hash out and discuss amongths themselves and bring out posts like Bella ji did when discussing with Nikhlesh ji and then hashing out the points.> > > > > > > > > > Your questions are lacking the effort trying to do searches in the archives nor trying to discuss with members who can help you. You are not taking any practical examples either to demonstrate the point.> > > > > > > > > > I would have appreciated it more if you had a chart and if Ju was 6th lord and in star of LoA or LoB and it was causing some delay then u could discuss that point to get the deeper understanding of the same. Otherwise Ju's delay has been discussed at length and opinions have been given. The lesson is a guideline but its also said that Ju's delay is very dicey to decipher. All the senior members have been tasked with taking time to study this in several charts.> > > > > > > > > > You can see Ramesh ji's mails where how he is considering or not considering ju's delay. It is not easy, a lot of judgement has to go into finding delay of Ju. Saturn's delay is easier as its a natural delay causing planet and a natural malefic. Ju is not so. Ju is also natural rook karak........... there is so much.. but unfortunately i am out of time.> > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > > > > > > > , "shalini" <shalini3004@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Ash Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > The area I was seeking confirmation with was Saturn delay and when it is over. The reason being because in the chart that was deemed quiz 1 recently by Hussein Ji, in this chart some members were calculating Saturn delay when it first enters the sign, however in the archives it is mentioned repeatedly that when Saturn returns after retrograding is when Saturn delay is over. Since the member was not corrected is only why I asked. I am a new student still learning from the archives and the lessons therefore, if a senior member is not correcting these kinds of things it could confuse a beginner. As it turned out you did eventually have to clear this point in a recent post. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Kind Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Shalini> > > > > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" <kas@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as you need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the various angles.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely benefit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select differnt antras as well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u feel comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as well and give your chain of thought.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does not happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to> > > > > > > ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not happen, then next comes .......> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Summary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz reason...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up will become more clear.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some help in clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can note down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and give the reason.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra can / cannot give.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than focussing on the final date of marriage and other events.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after delay and then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to why or why not is the event possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "nikhlesh mathur" <nikhleshmathur@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time in as many days.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period Sept 04 to Dec 04.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the Ge sign (Gemini).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves forward only and does not go back into Gemini.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July 2005.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage date of this lady.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Ash ji ........> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the funda on Sa delay.> > > > > > > > I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marriage:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soon after Mo â€" Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th house (26 points). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high points here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zero’s in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and badly afflicted also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak for her 7th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with her.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for unhappiness in marital life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. > > > > > > > > Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Analysis of other questions, I would try later please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conclusion:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04).> > > > > > > > 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above.> > > > > > > > 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Dear Hussein ji, You have mentioned that Sa would moderate the delay as it is in the Nks of Ve (FK and NK for 7th house). Please let us know how Sa could moderate the delay here. I was rather thinking otherwise that Sa would somehow further cause problems for the FK and NK (Ve) of 7th house as it is in the Nks of Ve. Now regarding heart attack issue, I thought that the aspect of Rahu on Sun or Sun under the influence / effect of Rahu due to any other reason is a pre-requisite for heart related medical problems. This is not there in this chart and besides, Sun is strong for this native (from all 3 charts Asc, Moon, Sun) Your mail has given us good food for thoughts and brainstorming. Thank you, Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:39:26 +0530 wrote > Dear Ash ji,Anup ji and all members Very happy that see an active group.I am busy these days and also tired because of work,but try to give a short analysis . For marriage it's clear that we have just full Sa's delay. But we should notice that here Sa is in the Nakshtra of Ve which is NK and FK for marriage.It will moderate the delay of Sa. He may has got married in the age of 25/26 in Mo MD and Mo antra.The moderation of the delay is not because of the blessing.(we have a good blessing relative to Su as Ve and Sa are in Nav-Pancham but Sa is delay causing planet and the blessing is not able to give an early marriage,just nullify bad effects. Let me say this too, there is possibility of child birth in Mo and Ma antras after marraige.I see the possibilty of heart attack in her chart as Su is 5th lord and Ma is with Mo as 4th lord.She should be take care in Mo-Ve,it may be a bad accident(because of heart attach etc).You can see this in the WS clearly. If you snslyze the chart blindly,you can see both Mo and Ve show 7th house matters(in addition to the houses which are related to other matters).We can see 8th house is related to 7th house too in D1. We can see that 6th lord is with 5th lord(12th from 6) in 2nd house. It may shows some problems in the health matters related to 2nd.Because the shortage of time I couldn't study the chart more accurate.Will do it when I am free. Best Wishes Hussein--- In , "ashsam73" wrote:>> Dear Shalini ji,> > Good.> > I can see now why you are having problems in understanding this concept. Still the basics have to be stronger.> > For Q1 -> You have not answered Why Ju creates delay? What that planet Ju?> > You are addressing, under what conditions will Ju cause delay. What I am asking you the very basic question and that is why the planet Ju is considered as the planet that can cause delay?> > Q2 -> Ok, so in reference to your initial question regarding Ju, I think your reference to Ju with less bindus and more bindus should get clear or atleast the understanding of the same should start to get clear. We have to apply the very basics. That is why i keep insisting, that clear the basics and the rest will fall in place. If u start to build on shakey ground then everything will collapse.> Time is well invested if spent in firming the basics of KAS. As u go into detail of the system, you will realise that the same laws are used and understanding the essense of it will help one grasp the detail portion. > > Q3) -> No to happy with your reply. You have said few things, but some things are not clear or added. Please write more on it. Explain what you mean by the terms Obstruct, Delay, Spoil? What is the meaning of all this? > > Q4) -> Not complete or incorrect understanding. Maybe you might have missed something. As per what you have written, Planet A at 29 deg Sag and Planet B at 1 deg Cap will be considered conjunct as they will be in the same nakshatra? Is that your understanding? > > Therefore in your question that you asked initially regarding ju conjoing planet etc etc the basic itself is incorrect therefore you are having difficulty in understanding that law.> > Q5) -> Status and Quality is ok, but I am not clear regarding what you mean by Length of marriage? Please clarify?> > Q6) -> ok.> > Q7) -> Again, you havent answered the question, why is Ju spoilt in Libra? What is special about the sign libra w.r.t Ju? Here itself the basic is not clear? > > Q8) Incorrect answer or not what I was looking for.> > Q9) So if 6th lord is at 1 deg in a sign and other planet is at 28 deg in the sign then? The theory that you have applied is ok. Then, this should answer some portion of your initial query to me regarding what is 6th lord joins other planets.> > Q10) -> Not happy with the answer and not what i was looking for at all. Refer to the archives and lessons. This is a very important point. > > What you have answered is applicable to Ju owning any house. Here I have specifically asked u about Ju as 6th lord aspecting ..... > > Q11) -> Again conjunction, you should clarify, what if LoA and LoB are at 29 deg in the sign and Ju as 6th lord is in 1st deg of the same house? is the it same as say if both were in same nak as well and or say if they were in same sign, same nak and same nav i.e. 3deg20 apart? Again, your basics about conjunction is not clear and therefore u are not able to get these points cleared. In any case, just read up on all this from the archives.> > Q12) -> Incorrect answer. If Ju is 6th lord then there is a possiblity that Ju can also be 12th lord too i.e. for Cancer lagna. Then for 12th house, Ju will become LoE then how it can spoil 12th house????> > The very basic answer to that is in the lessons and this has been discussed at length in the archives about 6th lord in 4th house and then what if Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house.> > After that you add the angle of their SAV bindus .... then u can gauge ..... (these are hints for you).> > This basic is weak i.e. Q12. You must get this 100% cleared otherwise u will keep getting stuck in future.> > > Please take your time, take a paper and pen, and draw out the different scenarios and try to grasp all this.> > > Your attempt is sincere and good Shalini ji, but still I expect a lot of parisharm from you, because I can see u doing well, but then all good students have to be pushed and have to put in far more effort to strife for perfection. > > Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > , "shalini" shalini3004@ wrote:> >> > Dear Ash Ji,> > > > Yes,Ash Ji I am here to learn sincerely. Please find my answers below. > > > > 1) Why does Ju cause delay?> > > > Jupiter only causes delay when it has more than 4 bindus for it's position when it's aspect becomes malefic. When a malefic Guru aspects LoA, B or HA, HB it then obstruct and delays the results for HB. > > > > 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean?> > > > When a planet has more than 4 bindus it means they are benefic planet for the house they sit in but become malefic for the house/houses they aspect. > > > > 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect?> > > > A malefic planet's aspect obstructs or delays, spoils the house/houses it aspects. > > > > 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction?> > > > When two or more planets are in conjunction they influence one another. If the conjunction is with a planet that is in the same star they become SD. > > > > 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage?> > > > Jupiter is Natural Root Karak (9L) for marriage. Thus, Guru's health becomes very important to understand the status, quality and length of marriage. > > > > 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions?> > > > I believe this would be the same answer as given above. > > > > 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance> > of that?> > > > Jupiter in Libra loses its karaktva and gives opposite results if it has> > less than 12 points. > > > > 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus?> > > > 6L is considered the most malefic planet in KAS and Guru with more than 4 bindus it's aspect would be considered even more harsh as Guru has become 6L. > > > > 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet?> > > > When 6L conjoins any planet it afflicts, delays, obstructs the results of the house that planet is Karak for.> > > > 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but> > both?> > > > There will be full Guru Delay and Guru afflicts Houses A and B and their lords thus compromising the results as 6L Guru harms the karak lord and house B two important houses for HB affects to materialize. > > > > 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB?> > > > In such a case it afflicting both significators with it's influence by conjunction. > > > > 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus?> > > > When a planet is with more bindus it is a benefic for this house. 4H is HD for marriage. Normally planets with 6 bindus in HD become eager to furnish results as I believe Guru as 6L would do here as well, however the result of HB may not be good also in 4h with more points Guru malefically aspects 12H which HE for 7H as HB. Guru as 6L with less than 4 bindus is debilitated in HD thus spoils HD, though casting benefic aspect to 12H 6L's aspect cannot completely be considered benefic.> > > > Thank You.> > > > With Kind Regards,> > > > Shalini> > > > > > , "ashsam73" wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shalini ji,> > > > > > Ok lets get the learning on the way regarding your questions, shall we.> > > > > > 1) Why does Ju cause delay?> > > 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean?> > > 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect?> > > 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction?> > > > > > 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage? > > > 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions? > > > > > > 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance of that?> > > 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus?> > > 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet?> > > 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but both?> > > 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB?> > > 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus?> > > > > > Lets focus on the very basics and hopefully, you will start to get your answers regarding Ju's delay.> > > > > > Lets start the learning.> > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > > > ps: Replace the word "Harsh" with "Blunt". > > > , "shalini" wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Ash Ji,> > > > > > > > I do not understand why your post is so harsh when I am not being so. I myself have said that Saturn delay commences when saturn re-enters the sign after retrograding I only wanted confirmation as it was not corrected when another member had used a different date for satrun delay to be commenced for quiz 1. I am here to learn and do not seek spoon feeding I do not believe my posts indicate so. I am asking for clarifications only when what is in the archives is not corrected when a members posts something different in present time. > > > > > > > > With Kind Regards,> > > > > > > > Shalini> > > > > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shalini ji,> > > > > > > > > > Your facts are incorrect. I have written about this point and it must be in the archives about taking the final entry of Saturn. You can search this point / my mail in the archives. > > > > > > > > > > Its just that the participants had overlooked this point and hence I pointed this out specifically.> > > > > > > > > > Your questions to me are more spoon feeding type questions. All these things have been discussed and the reason for this Quiz is so that one can get a concrete example to study and brush up the basics. > > > > > > > > > > I mean its a given, that the participants will take the pains to hash out and discuss amongths themselves and bring out posts like Bella ji did when discussing with Nikhlesh ji and then hashing out the points.> > > > > > > > > > Your questions are lacking the effort trying to do searches in the archives nor trying to discuss with members who can help you. You are not taking any practical examples either to demonstrate the point.> > > > > > > > > > I would have appreciated it more if you had a chart and if Ju was 6th lord and in star of LoA or LoB and it was causing some delay then u could discuss that point to get the deeper understanding of the same. Otherwise Ju's delay has been discussed at length and opinions have been given. The lesson is a guideline but its also said that Ju's delay is very dicey to decipher. All the senior members have been tasked with taking time to study this in several charts.> > > > > > > > > > You can see Ramesh ji's mails where how he is considering or not considering ju's delay. It is not easy, a lot of judgement has to go into finding delay of Ju. Saturn's delay is easier as its a natural delay causing planet and a natural malefic. Ju is not so. Ju is also natural rook karak........... there is so much.. but unfortunately i am out of time.> > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > > > > > > > , "shalini" wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Ash Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > The area I was seeking confirmation with was Saturn delay and when it is over. The reason being because in the chart that was deemed quiz 1 recently by Hussein Ji, in this chart some members were calculating Saturn delay when it first enters the sign, however in the archives it is mentioned repeatedly that when Saturn returns after retrograding is when Saturn delay is over. Since the member was not corrected is only why I asked. I am a new student still learning from the archives and the lessons therefore, if a senior member is not correcting these kinds of things it could confuse a beginner. As it turned out you did eventually have to clear this point in a recent post. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Kind Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Shalini> > > > > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as you need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the various angles.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely benefit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select differnt antras as well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u feel comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as well and give your chain of thought.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does not happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to> > > > > > > ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not happen, then next comes .......> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Summary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz reason...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up will become more clear.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some help in clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can note down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and give the reason.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra can / cannot give.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than focussing on the final date of marriage and other events.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after delay and then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to why or why not is the event possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "nikhlesh mathur" wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time in as many days.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period Sept 04 to Dec 04.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the Ge sign (Gemini).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves forward only and does not go back into Gemini.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July 2005.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage date of this lady.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Ash ji ........> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the funda on Sa delay.> > > > > > > > I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marriage:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soon after Mo â€" Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th house (26 points). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high points here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zero’s in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and badly afflicted also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak for her 7th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with her.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for unhappiness in marital life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. > > > > > > > > Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Analysis of other questions, I would try later please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conclusion:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04).> > > > > > > > 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above.> > > > > > > > 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Dear Hussein ji and group, You are absolutely right that there is Sa delay. Sa is in nakshatra of Ve which is NK as well Fk here.This can moderate the delay but its a kind of conditional part. Here you can see Me is 6th lord with 7 bindus and it is placed in karaksthan for 7th house. Me is also in Sa navamsa so the things can be assessed from here why the delay moderation could not be justified. Regards Anup --- On Tue, 10/11/09, Hussein <ahahosien wrote: Hussein <ahahosien Re: Practice chart Date: Tuesday, 10 November, 2009, 3:31 PM Dear Ash ji,Anup ji and all membersVery happy that see an active group.I am busy these days and also tired because of work,but try to give a short analysis .For marriage it's clear that we have just full Sa's delay.But we should notice that here Sa is in the Nakshtra of Ve which is NK and FK for marriage.It will moderate the delay of Sa.He may has got married in the age of 25/26 in Mo MD and Mo antra.The moderation of the delay is not because of the blessing.(we have a good blessing relative to Su as Ve and Sa are in Nav-Pancham but Sa is delay causing planet and the blessing is not able to give an early marriage,just nullify bad effects.Let me say this too, there is possibility of child birth in Mo and Ma antras after marraige.I see the possibilty of heart attack in her chart as Su is 5th lord and Ma is with Mo as 4th lord.She should be take care in Mo-Ve,it may be a bad accident(because of heart attach etc).You can see this in the WS clearly.If you snslyze the chart blindly,you can see both Mo and Ve show 7th house matters9in addition othe houses which are related to other matters).We can see 8th house is related to 7th house too in D1.We can see that 6th lord is with 5th lord(12th from 6) in 2nd house.It may shows some problems in the health matters related to 2nd.Because the shortage of time I couldn't study the chart more accurate.Will do it when I am free.Best WishesHusseinastrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "ashsam73" <kas wrote:>> Dear Shalini ji,> > Good.> > I can see now why you are having problems in understanding this concept. Still the basics have to be stronger.> > For Q1 -> You have not answered Why Ju creates delay? What that planet Ju?> > You are addressing, under what conditions will Ju cause delay. What I am asking you the very basic question and that is why the planet Ju is considered as the planet that can cause delay?> > Q2 -> Ok, so in reference to your initial question regarding Ju, I think your reference to Ju with less bindus and more bindus should get clear or atleast the understanding of the same should start to get clear. We have to apply the very basics. That is why i keep insisting, that clear the basics and the rest will fall in place. If u start to build on shakey ground then everything will collapse.> Time is well invested if spent in firming the basics of KAS. As u go into detail of the system, you will realise that the same laws are used and understanding the essense of it will help one grasp the detail portion. > > Q3) -> No to happy with your reply. You have said few things, but some things are not clear or added. Please write more on it. Explain what you mean by the terms Obstruct, Delay, Spoil? What is the meaning of all this? > > Q4) -> Not complete or incorrect understanding. Maybe you might have missed something. As per what you have written, Planet A at 29 deg Sag and Planet B at 1 deg Cap will be considered conjunct as they will be in the same nakshatra? Is that your understanding? > > Therefore in your question that you asked initially regarding ju conjoing planet etc etc the basic itself is incorrect therefore you are having difficulty in understanding that law.> > Q5) -> Status and Quality is ok, but I am not clear regarding what you mean by Length of marriage? Please clarify?> > Q6) -> ok.> > Q7) -> Again, you havent answered the question, why is Ju spoilt in Libra? What is special about the sign libra w.r.t Ju? Here itself the basic is not clear? > > Q8) Incorrect answer or not what I was looking for.> > Q9) So if 6th lord is at 1 deg in a sign and other planet is at 28 deg in the sign then? The theory that you have applied is ok. Then, this should answer some portion of your initial query to me regarding what is 6th lord joins other planets.> > Q10) -> Not happy with the answer and not what i was looking for at all. Refer to the archives and lessons. This is a very important point. > > What you have answered is applicable to Ju owning any house. Here I have specifically asked u about Ju as 6th lord aspecting ..... > > Q11) -> Again conjunction, you should clarify, what if LoA and LoB are at 29 deg in the sign and Ju as 6th lord is in 1st deg of the same house? is the it same as say if both were in same nak as well and or say if they were in same sign, same nak and same nav i.e. < 3deg20 apart? Again, your basics about conjunction is not clear and therefore u are not able to get these points cleared. In any case, just read up on all this from the archives.> > Q12) -> Incorrect answer. If Ju is 6th lord then there is a possiblity that Ju can also be 12th lord too i.e. for Cancer lagna. Then for 12th house, Ju will become LoE then how it can spoil 12th house????> > The very basic answer to that is in the lessons and this has been discussed at length in the archives about 6th lord in 4th house and then what if Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house.> > After that you add the angle of their SAV bindus .... then u can gauge ..... (these are hints for you).> > This basic is weak i.e. Q12. You must get this 100% cleared otherwise u will keep getting stuck in future.> > > Please take your time, take a paper and pen, and draw out the different scenarios and try to grasp all this.> > > Your attempt is sincere and good Shalini ji, but still I expect a lot of parisharm from you, because I can see u doing well, but then all good students have to be pushed and have to put in far more effort to strife for perfection. > > Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "shalini" shalini3004@ wrote:> >> > Dear Ash Ji,> > > > Yes,Ash Ji I am here to learn sincerely. Please find my answers below. > > > > 1) Why does Ju cause delay?> > > > Jupiter only causes delay when it has more than 4 bindus for it's position when it's aspect becomes malefic. When a malefic Guru aspects LoA, B or HA, HB it then obstruct and delays the results for HB. > > > > 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean?> > > > When a planet has more than 4 bindus it means they are benefic planet for the house they sit in but become malefic for the house/houses they aspect. > > > > 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect?> > > > A malefic planet's aspect obstructs or delays, spoils the house/houses it aspects. > > > > 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction?> > > > When two or more planets are in conjunction they influence one another. If the conjunction is with a planet that is in the same star they become SD. > > > > 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage?> > > > Jupiter is Natural Root Karak (9L) for marriage. Thus, Guru's health becomes very important to understand the status, quality and length of marriage. > > > > 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions?> > > > I believe this would be the same answer as given above. > > > > 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance> > of that?> > > > Jupiter in Libra loses its karaktva and gives opposite results if it has> > less than 12 points. > > > > 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus?> > > > 6L is considered the most malefic planet in KAS and Guru with more than 4 bindus it's aspect would be considered even more harsh as Guru has become 6L. > > > > 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet?> > > > When 6L conjoins any planet it afflicts, delays, obstructs the results of the house that planet is Karak for.> > > > 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but> > both?> > > > There will be full Guru Delay and Guru afflicts Houses A and B and their lords thus compromising the results as 6L Guru harms the karak lord and house B two important houses for HB affects to materialize. > > > > 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB?> > > > In such a case it afflicting both significators with it's influence by conjunction. > > > > 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus?> > > > When a planet is with more bindus it is a benefic for this house. 4H is HD for marriage. Normally planets with 6 bindus in HD become eager to furnish results as I believe Guru as 6L would do here as well, however the result of HB may not be good also in 4h with more points Guru malefically aspects 12H which HE for 7H as HB. Guru as 6L with less than 4 bindus is debilitated in HD thus spoils HD, though casting benefic aspect to 12H 6L's aspect cannot completely be considered benefic.> > > > Thank You.> > > > With Kind Regards,> > > > Shalini> > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "ashsam73" <kas@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shalini ji,> > > > > > Ok lets get the learning on the way regarding your questions, shall we.> > > > > > 1) Why does Ju cause delay?> > > 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean?> > > 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect?> > > 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction?> > > > > > 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage? > > > 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions? > > > > > > 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance of that?> > > 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus?> > > 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet?> > > 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but both?> > > 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB?> > > 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus?> > > > > > Lets focus on the very basics and hopefully, you will start to get your answers regarding Ju's delay.> > > > > > Lets start the learning.> > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > > > ps: Replace the word "Harsh" with "Blunt". > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "shalini" <shalini3004@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Ash Ji,> > > > > > > > I do not understand why your post is so harsh when I am not being so. I myself have said that Saturn delay commences when saturn re-enters the sign after retrograding I only wanted confirmation as it was not corrected when another member had used a different date for satrun delay to be commenced for quiz 1. I am here to learn and do not seek spoon feeding I do not believe my posts indicate so. I am asking for clarifications only when what is in the archives is not corrected when a members posts something different in present time. > > > > > > > > With Kind Regards,> > > > > > > > Shalini> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "ashsam73" <kas@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shalini ji,> > > > > > > > > > Your facts are incorrect. I have written about this point and it must be in the archives about taking the final entry of Saturn. You can search this point / my mail in the archives. > > > > > > > > > > Its just that the participants had overlooked this point and hence I pointed this out specifically.> > > > > > > > > > Your questions to me are more spoon feeding type questions. All these things have been discussed and the reason for this Quiz is so that one can get a concrete example to study and brush up the basics. > > > > > > > > > > I mean its a given, that the participants will take the pains to hash out and discuss amongths themselves and bring out posts like Bella ji did when discussing with Nikhlesh ji and then hashing out the points.> > > > > > > > > > Your questions are lacking the effort trying to do searches in the archives nor trying to discuss with members who can help you. You are not taking any practical examples either to demonstrate the point.> > > > > > > > > > I would have appreciated it more if you had a chart and if Ju was 6th lord and in star of LoA or LoB and it was causing some delay then u could discuss that point to get the deeper understanding of the same. Otherwise Ju's delay has been discussed at length and opinions have been given. The lesson is a guideline but its also said that Ju's delay is very dicey to decipher. All the senior members have been tasked with taking time to study this in several charts.> > > > > > > > > > You can see Ramesh ji's mails where how he is considering or not considering ju's delay. It is not easy, a lot of judgement has to go into finding delay of Ju. Saturn's delay is easier as its a natural delay causing planet and a natural malefic. Ju is not so. Ju is also natural rook karak....... .... there is so much.. but unfortunately i am out of time.> > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "shalini" <shalini3004@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Ash Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > The area I was seeking confirmation with was Saturn delay and when it is over. The reason being because in the chart that was deemed quiz 1 recently by Hussein Ji, in this chart some members were calculating Saturn delay when it first enters the sign, however in the archives it is mentioned repeatedly that when Saturn returns after retrograding is when Saturn delay is over. Since the member was not corrected is only why I asked. I am a new student still learning from the archives and the lessons therefore, if a senior member is not correcting these kinds of things it could confuse a beginner. As it turned out you did eventually have to clear this point in a recent post. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Kind Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Shalini> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "ashsam73" <kas@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as you need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the various angles.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely benefit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select differnt antras as well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u feel comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as well and give your chain of thought.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does not happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to> > > > > > > ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not happen, then next comes .......> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Summary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz reason...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up will become more clear.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some help in clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can note down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and give the reason.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra can / cannot give.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than focussing on the final date of marriage and other events.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after delay and then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to why or why not is the event possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "nikhlesh mathur" <nikhleshmathur@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time in as many days.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period Sept 04 to Dec 04.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the Ge sign (Gemini).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves forward only and does not go back into Gemini.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July 2005.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage date of this lady.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Ash ji ........> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the funda on Sa delay.> > > > > > > > I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marriage:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soon after Mo â€" Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th house (26 points). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high points here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zero’s in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and badly afflicted also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak for her 7th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with her.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for unhappiness in marital life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. > > > > > > > > Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Analysis of other questions, I would try later please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conclusion:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04).> > > > > > > > 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above.> > > > > > > > 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. 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Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Dear All; Some more thoughts to fix antra St full delay but st have moved 15 degree so considering 27.5-1.3=26.3 year initial value Ju aspects Hb in navamsa but is is in libra with rahu in navamsa and in nakshtra of St so it can not check to saturn so full delay no help from Ju to reduce delay as staus of Ju is not good no zero in SAV so no addition in delay Blessing in navamsa but can not help to reduce delay St is with Ra in rashi so more affilicted add delay Mo aspected by Ra in rashi and St cojoin in navamsa ,As lumanaries are aspected so that will add delay Main dasha lord Mo is OK as karka to give 7th house events Mo-Mo Mo LoD and Natural Samdharmi to Ju can give event But I think this would not be case as some what delay have to be added Mo-Ma Ju and Ma both in cancer one in rasi and another in navamsa makes them samdharmi Ju and Ma both are natural samdharmi Ju and Ma 4:10 in rashi/navamsa Ju LoE and high point So Event can be in 3rd sector of it. Mo-Ra Ra represnts Su/Ve....considering more like Ve NK FK.... and cojoin Ju in navamsa so samdahrmi to Ju so Event can be in 3rd sector of it.......seems not wise choice still to me Mo-Ju Ju Can give Event in 3rd Sector on it will come up with more thought as gets educated to this system ------------------ Regards, Devisingh devisigh wrote: Dear Ash ji, Namaskar Sincere thanks for your words attitude intension and time. I am trying my all time what i can collect to study this system. I guess this can takes time may be 3year (less points till that time also indicate hardwork and busy for me) Will continue my attempt/doubts hope for comments from moderators for same. I am enjoying achieves thanks to Krushna,sanjay,Donna,Peter,Magritta and all very nice considering old time and situation. hope that will helps me to understand and utilize system and finally to absorb root or essence of system so other all system and vedic text can be clarified with same so better results can be obtained related to timing of events. Everybody is trying/pushing here only to help others using there own approach It is really appreciated GOD WILL HELP THEM WHO HELPED OTHERS Please find below is thought process/approach: I am taking acceptance that person is not mentally retired and birth details are correct no rectification required Quality of 7th house: checking Ju in Libra in rashi/navamsa....navamsa has that...it is RK,NRK and LoE..seems not good for marriage. checking Ve nakshatra in rashi...bharni...ok checking Su and Ve distance in rashi...less then 43...ok checking Ve is with Ra,St or aspect in rashi/navamsa.....Ve is with St in navamsa....spoils Ve more checking LoA,LoB,LoC,LoD,LoE in rashi.....Ve,St..Mo,Ju checking planets with Ra in rashi/navamsa...Sa and Ju.....St is LoC and Ju is loE for 7th house and LoA for 5th house. checking Ra aspects on house in rashi/navamsa...9,12,2..7,9,11..12th is HoE,2nd is HoA,9th is karak for HoA and HoC for child..7th is HB,11th is HC checking Ra aspects on planets in rashi and navamsa...Me,Su......Me 6th lord become more malefic and Su LoB for child case checking for planets with 6th/12th lord in rashi/navamsa..... Ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord.....me is with ve in navamsa spoils ve. checking for aspects on house in rashi/navamsa by 6th/12th lord..... ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord..... checking for aspects on planets in rashi/navamsa by 6th/12th lord..... ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord..... cheking malefic aspects on ABCDE in rashi.....Ju with 5 points aspects to HoE,Ve with 6 points aspects to HB cheking benific aspects on ABCDE in rashi.....St with 2 points also LoC aspects to HB,HA and Mo aspects to HB Blessings,compatibility,DBCE,strong house,strong planets: as usual to be looked will look another time Finding significator: checking for 2nd lord in rashi......Ve is 2nd lord...Ve antra will bring more pain looking at 2,7,11 lords...ve and st....ve is with 6 points and st is with 2 points ....left st less points and left ve 2nd lord looking at 2,7,11 occupents ...me and su...me is with 7 points and su is with 4 points ...left su less points and left me 6th lord looking at 4,12 occupents...ju and ke(ju/ju)...so ju....ju is with 5 points ....considering ju ...left as in Libra and aspect malefic to HOE consider Reperesnter for Ra/Ke...Su,Ve/Ju,Ju......left Ra as alresdy left su and ve,left ke as already left ju looking at 4,12 lords....Mo,ju....considering moon as already left ju....mo may act.........still requires more time for me to finalise ------------------ Regards, Devisingh Ash's Corner wrote: Dear Devisingh ji, Very nice attempt. Please continue your chain of thought. Try to find the antra that you think might give marriage. Just go upto antra. So first compute the delay and there after start to think over the best possible period that u think can give the event. However, do write your thinking process. That will help one figure out where you are going away or your confusion. Well Done. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of devisigh Thursday November 5, 2009 6:42 AM To: Re: Re: Practice Chart Dear All; My first attempt using KAS rules/techniques only 7th house marriage: selecting Mo main Dasha which is with FK Ve for 7th house Su and Ju seems significator from ws points for 7th house other planets aspects 7th house i left them Su is with Me which is 6th load makes Su samdharmi to 6th lord i left that Ju having highest points and also LoE now considering Ju only as strong significator which in RK and NRK and natural samdharmi to Mo which is LoD. Ju does not have sight on A/B/C and is LoE can gives results Thinking for samdharmi of Ju in navamsa Ju is with Ra ...makes Ju and Ra samdharmi Ra can be thought to facilitate results for 7th house matters ........still this takes time for me to finalize ------------------ Regards, Devisingh ashsam73 wrote: Dear Nikhlesh ji, You are correct. It was a typo. It was good that I gave the degree of all planets so this mistake could be checked right in the begining. Thanks Nikhlesh ji. The date should be May 24th. 24th May 1979 4:10 AM 28N40 77E13 Sorry about that. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , "nikhlesh mathur" <nikhleshmathur wrote: > > > > Sub: 24th Feb 1979, 4.10 am, 28.N.40, 77.E.13 > Dear Ash ji, > > You said that Su is 9Ta31 for the above native. But a person born on the month of Feb cannot have his Sun in Taurus sign. It should be in Aquarius at this time. > > If other things are okay then I think the birth date is 24th May. > > Please confirm. > > Regards, > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:47:29 +0530 wrote > > > > Add to > this. > > > 6) When > can the native face health problems? > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > Ash's Corner [kas] > Monday October 26, 2009 > 12:18 AM > To: > ' ' > Practice Chart > > > Dear > Group, > > > > This > lady has been posting charts in various lists for many years now. > > > > Here is > the chart > > > > 24th > Feb 1979 > > 4:10 AM > > 28N40 > > 77E13 > > > > From > what I gather, she had an affair or liked some guy that she wanted to > marry. I am not clear from her posts > that if she married the same guy or not. > Her parents were looking out for some proposals for her. > > > > If this > chart came blindly to you, can you predict the following. > > > > 1) > Marriage > > 2) > Child birth > > 3) > Marital Relations overall > > 4) > She has been complaining that relations are bad after marriage and > asked if she should go for divorce. > > 5) > Why she had affair or what are the yogs for that in this chart. > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > Degrees > > > > > As > > > 15 Ar 55 > > > > > Su > > > 9 Ta 31 > > > > > Mo > > > 13 Ar 48 > > > > > Ma > > > 13 Ar 8 > > > > > Me > > > 2 Ta 15 > > > > > Ju > > > 11 Cn 16 > > > > > Ve > > > 14 Ar 30 > > > > > Sa > > > 14 Le 35 > > > > > Ra > > > 20 Le 59 > > > > > Ke > > > 20 Aq 59 > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Dear Hussein ji an dgroup, One thing i forget to add/elaborate one factor in my previous mail in connection with Sa delay and its placement in Ve nakshatra. Ve and Mars are conjucted in lagna and Ju is in libra. These both combination can not help any native to marry in normal age. What does Ve and Mars togetherness reflect besides Ju in libra ? Its very important to know the "total effect" first before processing antra. Both these factors might push the enviroment for further delay where as Me in karaksthan as 6th lord can boost this delayed enviroment. Please go ahead with wonderful discussion. This will really help all members to learn more and more. Regards Anup --- On Tue, 10/11/09, Hussein <ahahosien wrote: Hussein <ahahosien Re: Practice chart Date: Tuesday, 10 November, 2009, 3:31 PM Dear Ash ji,Anup ji and all membersVery happy that see an active group.I am busy these days and also tired because of work,but try to give a short analysis .For marriage it's clear that we have just full Sa's delay.But we should notice that here Sa is in the Nakshtra of Ve which is NK and FK for marriage.It will moderate the delay of Sa.He may has got married in the age of 25/26 in Mo MD and Mo antra.The moderation of the delay is not because of the blessing.(we have a good blessing relative to Su as Ve and Sa are in Nav-Pancham but Sa is delay causing planet and the blessing is not able to give an early marriage,just nullify bad effects.Let me say this too, there is possibility of child birth in Mo and Ma antras after marraige.I see the possibilty of heart attack in her chart as Su is 5th lord and Ma is with Mo as 4th lord.She should be take care in Mo-Ve,it may be a bad accident(because of heart attach etc).You can see this in the WS clearly.If you snslyze the chart blindly,you can see both Mo and Ve show 7th house matters9in addition othe houses which are related to other matters).We can see 8th house is related to 7th house too in D1.We can see that 6th lord is with 5th lord(12th from 6) in 2nd house.It may shows some problems in the health matters related to 2nd.Because the shortage of time I couldn't study the chart more accurate.Will do it when I am free.Best WishesHusseinastrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "ashsam73" <kas wrote:>> Dear Shalini ji,> > Good.> > I can see now why you are having problems in understanding this concept. Still the basics have to be stronger.> > For Q1 -> You have not answered Why Ju creates delay? What that planet Ju?> > You are addressing, under what conditions will Ju cause delay. What I am asking you the very basic question and that is why the planet Ju is considered as the planet that can cause delay?> > Q2 -> Ok, so in reference to your initial question regarding Ju, I think your reference to Ju with less bindus and more bindus should get clear or atleast the understanding of the same should start to get clear. We have to apply the very basics. That is why i keep insisting, that clear the basics and the rest will fall in place. If u start to build on shakey ground then everything will collapse.> Time is well invested if spent in firming the basics of KAS. As u go into detail of the system, you will realise that the same laws are used and understanding the essense of it will help one grasp the detail portion. > > Q3) -> No to happy with your reply. You have said few things, but some things are not clear or added. Please write more on it. Explain what you mean by the terms Obstruct, Delay, Spoil? What is the meaning of all this? > > Q4) -> Not complete or incorrect understanding. Maybe you might have missed something. As per what you have written, Planet A at 29 deg Sag and Planet B at 1 deg Cap will be considered conjunct as they will be in the same nakshatra? Is that your understanding? > > Therefore in your question that you asked initially regarding ju conjoing planet etc etc the basic itself is incorrect therefore you are having difficulty in understanding that law.> > Q5) -> Status and Quality is ok, but I am not clear regarding what you mean by Length of marriage? Please clarify?> > Q6) -> ok.> > Q7) -> Again, you havent answered the question, why is Ju spoilt in Libra? What is special about the sign libra w.r.t Ju? Here itself the basic is not clear? > > Q8) Incorrect answer or not what I was looking for.> > Q9) So if 6th lord is at 1 deg in a sign and other planet is at 28 deg in the sign then? The theory that you have applied is ok. Then, this should answer some portion of your initial query to me regarding what is 6th lord joins other planets.> > Q10) -> Not happy with the answer and not what i was looking for at all. Refer to the archives and lessons. This is a very important point. > > What you have answered is applicable to Ju owning any house. Here I have specifically asked u about Ju as 6th lord aspecting ..... > > Q11) -> Again conjunction, you should clarify, what if LoA and LoB are at 29 deg in the sign and Ju as 6th lord is in 1st deg of the same house? is the it same as say if both were in same nak as well and or say if they were in same sign, same nak and same nav i.e. < 3deg20 apart? Again, your basics about conjunction is not clear and therefore u are not able to get these points cleared. In any case, just read up on all this from the archives.> > Q12) -> Incorrect answer. If Ju is 6th lord then there is a possiblity that Ju can also be 12th lord too i.e. for Cancer lagna. Then for 12th house, Ju will become LoE then how it can spoil 12th house????> > The very basic answer to that is in the lessons and this has been discussed at length in the archives about 6th lord in 4th house and then what if Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house.> > After that you add the angle of their SAV bindus .... then u can gauge ..... (these are hints for you).> > This basic is weak i.e. Q12. You must get this 100% cleared otherwise u will keep getting stuck in future.> > > Please take your time, take a paper and pen, and draw out the different scenarios and try to grasp all this.> > > Your attempt is sincere and good Shalini ji, but still I expect a lot of parisharm from you, because I can see u doing well, but then all good students have to be pushed and have to put in far more effort to strife for perfection. > > Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "shalini" shalini3004@ wrote:> >> > Dear Ash Ji,> > > > Yes,Ash Ji I am here to learn sincerely. Please find my answers below. > > > > 1) Why does Ju cause delay?> > > > Jupiter only causes delay when it has more than 4 bindus for it's position when it's aspect becomes malefic. When a malefic Guru aspects LoA, B or HA, HB it then obstruct and delays the results for HB. > > > > 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean?> > > > When a planet has more than 4 bindus it means they are benefic planet for the house they sit in but become malefic for the house/houses they aspect. > > > > 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect?> > > > A malefic planet's aspect obstructs or delays, spoils the house/houses it aspects. > > > > 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction?> > > > When two or more planets are in conjunction they influence one another. If the conjunction is with a planet that is in the same star they become SD. > > > > 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage?> > > > Jupiter is Natural Root Karak (9L) for marriage. Thus, Guru's health becomes very important to understand the status, quality and length of marriage. > > > > 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions?> > > > I believe this would be the same answer as given above. > > > > 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance> > of that?> > > > Jupiter in Libra loses its karaktva and gives opposite results if it has> > less than 12 points. > > > > 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus?> > > > 6L is considered the most malefic planet in KAS and Guru with more than 4 bindus it's aspect would be considered even more harsh as Guru has become 6L. > > > > 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet?> > > > When 6L conjoins any planet it afflicts, delays, obstructs the results of the house that planet is Karak for.> > > > 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but> > both?> > > > There will be full Guru Delay and Guru afflicts Houses A and B and their lords thus compromising the results as 6L Guru harms the karak lord and house B two important houses for HB affects to materialize. > > > > 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB?> > > > In such a case it afflicting both significators with it's influence by conjunction. > > > > 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus?> > > > When a planet is with more bindus it is a benefic for this house. 4H is HD for marriage. Normally planets with 6 bindus in HD become eager to furnish results as I believe Guru as 6L would do here as well, however the result of HB may not be good also in 4h with more points Guru malefically aspects 12H which HE for 7H as HB. Guru as 6L with less than 4 bindus is debilitated in HD thus spoils HD, though casting benefic aspect to 12H 6L's aspect cannot completely be considered benefic.> > > > Thank You.> > > > With Kind Regards,> > > > Shalini> > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "ashsam73" <kas@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shalini ji,> > > > > > Ok lets get the learning on the way regarding your questions, shall we.> > > > > > 1) Why does Ju cause delay?> > > 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean?> > > 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect?> > > 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction?> > > > > > 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage? > > > 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions? > > > > > > 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance of that?> > > 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus?> > > 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet?> > > 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but both?> > > 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB?> > > 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus?> > > > > > Lets focus on the very basics and hopefully, you will start to get your answers regarding Ju's delay.> > > > > > Lets start the learning.> > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > > > ps: Replace the word "Harsh" with "Blunt". > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "shalini" <shalini3004@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Ash Ji,> > > > > > > > I do not understand why your post is so harsh when I am not being so. I myself have said that Saturn delay commences when saturn re-enters the sign after retrograding I only wanted confirmation as it was not corrected when another member had used a different date for satrun delay to be commenced for quiz 1. I am here to learn and do not seek spoon feeding I do not believe my posts indicate so. I am asking for clarifications only when what is in the archives is not corrected when a members posts something different in present time. > > > > > > > > With Kind Regards,> > > > > > > > Shalini> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "ashsam73" <kas@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shalini ji,> > > > > > > > > > Your facts are incorrect. I have written about this point and it must be in the archives about taking the final entry of Saturn. You can search this point / my mail in the archives. > > > > > > > > > > Its just that the participants had overlooked this point and hence I pointed this out specifically.> > > > > > > > > > Your questions to me are more spoon feeding type questions. All these things have been discussed and the reason for this Quiz is so that one can get a concrete example to study and brush up the basics. > > > > > > > > > > I mean its a given, that the participants will take the pains to hash out and discuss amongths themselves and bring out posts like Bella ji did when discussing with Nikhlesh ji and then hashing out the points.> > > > > > > > > > Your questions are lacking the effort trying to do searches in the archives nor trying to discuss with members who can help you. You are not taking any practical examples either to demonstrate the point.> > > > > > > > > > I would have appreciated it more if you had a chart and if Ju was 6th lord and in star of LoA or LoB and it was causing some delay then u could discuss that point to get the deeper understanding of the same. Otherwise Ju's delay has been discussed at length and opinions have been given. The lesson is a guideline but its also said that Ju's delay is very dicey to decipher. All the senior members have been tasked with taking time to study this in several charts.> > > > > > > > > > You can see Ramesh ji's mails where how he is considering or not considering ju's delay. It is not easy, a lot of judgement has to go into finding delay of Ju. Saturn's delay is easier as its a natural delay causing planet and a natural malefic. Ju is not so. Ju is also natural rook karak....... .... there is so much.. but unfortunately i am out of time.> > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "shalini" <shalini3004@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Ash Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > The area I was seeking confirmation with was Saturn delay and when it is over. The reason being because in the chart that was deemed quiz 1 recently by Hussein Ji, in this chart some members were calculating Saturn delay when it first enters the sign, however in the archives it is mentioned repeatedly that when Saturn returns after retrograding is when Saturn delay is over. Since the member was not corrected is only why I asked. I am a new student still learning from the archives and the lessons therefore, if a senior member is not correcting these kinds of things it could confuse a beginner. As it turned out you did eventually have to clear this point in a recent post. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Kind Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Shalini> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "ashsam73" <kas@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as you need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the various angles.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely benefit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select differnt antras as well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u feel comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as well and give your chain of thought.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does not happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to> > > > > > > ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not happen, then next comes .......> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Summary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz reason...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up will become more clear.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some help in clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can note down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and give the reason.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra can / cannot give.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than focussing on the final date of marriage and other events.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after delay and then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to why or why not is the event possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "nikhlesh mathur" <nikhleshmathur@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time in as many days.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period Sept 04 to Dec 04.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the Ge sign (Gemini).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves forward only and does not go back into Gemini.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July 2005.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage date of this lady.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Ash ji ........> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the funda on Sa delay.> > > > > > > > I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marriage:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soon after Mo â€" Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th house (26 points). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high points here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zero’s in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and badly afflicted also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak for her 7th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with her.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for unhappiness in marital life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. > > > > > > > > Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Analysis of other questions, I would try later please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conclusion:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04).> > > > > > > > 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above.> > > > > > > > 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Now, send attachments up to 25MB with India Mail. Learn how. 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Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Dear Devi singh ji, I think samdharmi concept is not clear somewhere in your mail Pleae note that .. MOON AND JU ARE NOT NATURAL SAMDHARMI JU AND MARS ARE NOT NATURAL SAMDHARMI. Also we do not consider 4:10 relation in navamsa. Regards Anup --- On Tue, 10/11/09, devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote: devisigh <devisingh.rajputRe: Re: Practice Chart Date: Tuesday, 10 November, 2009, 6:56 PM Dear All;Some more thoughts to fix antraSt full delay but st have moved 15 degree so considering 27.5-1.3=26. 3 year initial valueJu aspects Hb in navamsa but is is in libra with rahu in navamsa and in nakshtra of St so it can not check to saturn so full delay no help from Ju to reduce delay as staus of Ju is not goodno zero in SAV so no addition in delayBlessing in navamsa but can not help to reduce delaySt is with Ra in rashi so more affilicted add delayMo aspected by Ra in rashi and St cojoin in navamsa ,As lumanaries are aspected so that will add delay Main dasha lord Mo is OK as karka to give 7th house eventsMo-MoMo LoD and Natural Samdharmi to Ju can give eventBut I think this would not be case as some what delay have to be addedMo-MaJu and Ma both in cancer one in rasi and another in navamsa makes them samdharmiJu and Ma both are natural samdharmiJu and Ma 4:10 in rashi/navamsaJu LoE and high point So Event can be in 3rd sector of it.Mo-RaRa represnts Su/Ve....considerin g more like Ve NK FK.... and cojoin Ju in navamsa so samdahrmi to Ju so Event can be in 3rd sector of it.......seems not wise choice still to meMo-JuJu Can give Event in 3rd Sector on itwill come up with more thought as gets educated to this system------------ ------ Regards, Devisinghdevisigh wrote: Dear Ash ji,NamaskarSincere thanks for your words attitude intension and time. I am trying my all time what i can collect to study this system. I guess this can takes time may be 3year (less points till that time also indicate hardwork and busy for me) Will continue my attempt/doubts hope for comments from moderators for same.I am enjoying achieves thanks to Krushna,sanjay, Donna,Peter, Magritta and all very nice considering old time and situation.hope that will helps me to understand and utilize system and finally to absorb root or essence of system so other all system and vedic text can be clarified with same so better results can be obtained related to timing of events.Everybody is trying/pushing here only to help others using there own approach It is really appreciated GOD WILL HELP THEM WHO HELPED OTHERSPlease find below is thought process/approach:I am taking acceptance that person is not mentally retired and birth details are correct no rectification requiredQuality of 7th house: checking Ju in Libra in rashi/navamsa. ...navamsa has that...it is RK,NRK and LoE..seems not good for marriage. checking Ve nakshatra in rashi...bharni. ..ok checking Su and Ve distance in rashi...less then 43...ok checking Ve is with Ra,St or aspect in rashi/navamsa. ....Ve is with St in navamsa....spoils Ve more checking LoA,LoB,LoC, LoD,LoE in rashi.....Ve, St..Mo,Ju checking planets with Ra in rashi/navamsa. ..Sa and Ju.....St is LoC and Ju is loE for 7th house and LoA for 5th house. checking Ra aspects on house in rashi/navamsa. ..9,12,2. .7,9,11.. 12th is HoE,2nd is HoA,9th is karak for HoA and HoC for child..7th is HB,11th is HC checking Ra aspects on planets in rashi and navamsa...Me, Su......Me 6th lord become more malefic and Su LoB for child case checking for planets with 6th/12th lord in rashi/navamsa. .... Ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord.....me is with ve in navamsa spoils ve. checking for aspects on house in rashi/navamsa by 6th/12th lord..... ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord..... checking for aspects on planets in rashi/navamsa by 6th/12th lord..... ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord..... cheking malefic aspects on ABCDE in rashi.....Ju with 5 points aspects to HoE,Ve with 6 points aspects to HB cheking benific aspects on ABCDE in rashi.....St with 2 points also LoC aspects to HB,HA and Mo aspects to HBBlessings,compatibi lity,DBCE, strong house,strong planets: as usual to be looked will look another timeFinding significator: checking for 2nd lord in rashi......Ve is 2nd lord...Ve antra will bring more pain looking at 2,7,11 lords...ve and st....ve is with 6 points and st is with 2 points ....left st less points and left ve 2nd lord looking at 2,7,11 occupents ...me and su...me is with 7 points and su is with 4 points ...left su less points and left me 6th lord looking at 4,12 occupents... ju and ke(ju/ju)... so ju....ju is with 5 points ....considering ju ...left as in Libra and aspect malefic to HOE consider Reperesnter for Ra/Ke...Su,Ve/ Ju,Ju.... ..left Ra as alresdy left su and ve,left ke as already left ju looking at 4,12 lords....Mo, ju....considerin g moon as already left ju....mo may act......... still requires more time for me to finalise------------ ------ Regards, DevisinghAsh's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca wrote: Dear Devisingh ji, Very nice attempt. Please continue your chain of thought. Try to find the antra that you think might give marriage. Just go upto antra. So first compute the delay and there after start to think over the best possible period that u think can give the event. However, do write your thinking process. That will help one figure out where you are going away or your confusion. Well Done. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of devisighThursday November 5, 2009 6:42 AMastrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comRe: [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Practice Chart Dear All;My first attempt using KAS rules/techniques only7th house marriage:selecting Mo main Dasha which is with FK Ve for 7th houseSu and Ju seems significator from ws points for 7th houseother planets aspects 7th house i left themSu is with Me which is 6th load makes Su samdharmi to 6th lord i left thatJu having highest points and also LoEnow considering Ju only as strong significator which in RK and NRK and natural samdharmi to Mo which is LoD.Ju does not have sight on A/B/C and is LoE can gives resultsThinking for samdharmi of Juin navamsa Ju is with Ra ...makes Ju and Ra samdharmi Ra can be thought to facilitate results for 7th house matters .......still this takes time for me to finalize------------ ------ Regards, Devisinghashsam73 wrote: Dear Nikhlesh ji,You are correct. It was a typo. It was good that I gave the degree of all planets so this mistake could be checked right in the begining.Thanks Nikhlesh ji.The date should be May 24th.24th May 19794:10 AM28N4077E13Sorry about that.Cheers !!!Ash -> http://www.ashtro. caastrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "nikhlesh mathur" <nikhleshmathur@ ...> wrote:>> > > Sub: 24th Feb 1979, 4.10 am, 28.N.40, 77.E.13> Dear Ash ji,> > You said that Su is 9Ta31 for the above native. But a person born on the month of Feb cannot have his Sun in Taurus sign. It should be in Aquarius at this time.> > If other things are okay then I think the birth date is 24th May.> > Please confirm.> > Regards,> Nikhlesh Mathur> > > On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:47:29 +0530 wrote> >> > Add to> this.> > > 6) When> can the native face health problems?> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > > > Ash's Corner [kas] > Monday October 26, 2009> 12:18 AM> To:> 'astrologyandtiming events@grou ps.com'> Practice Chart> > > Dear> Group,> > > > This> lady has been posting charts in various lists for many years now. > > > > Here is> the chart > > > > 24th> Feb 1979> > 4:10 AM> > 28N40> > 77E13> > > > From> what I gather, she had an affair or liked some guy that she wanted to> marry. I am not clear from her posts> that if she married the same guy or not.> Her parents were looking out for some proposals for her.> > > > If this> chart came blindly to you, can you predict the following.> > > > 1)> Marriage> > 2)> Child birth> > 3)> Marital Relations overall> > 4)> She has been complaining that relations are bad after marriage and> asked if she should go for divorce.> > 5)> Why she had affair or what are the yogs for that in this chart. > > > > > > > > > Planet> > > Degrees> > > > > As> > > 15 Ar 55> > > > > Su> > > 9 Ta 31> > > > > Mo> > > 13 Ar 48> > > > > Ma> > > 13 Ar 8> > > > > Me> > > 2 Ta 15> > > > > Ju> > > 11 Cn 16> > > > > Ve> > > 14 Ar 30> > > > > Sa> > > 14 Le 35> > > > > Ra> > > 20 Le 59> > > > > Ke> > > 20 Aq 59> > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Dear Ash ji ,Anup ji and membersLet at first thanks Ash ji and Anup ji for their good guides and kind words which encourages us for learning more and more.Thanks Anup ji for his correction.Yes,we should consider the spoiling of Karaks.I didn't consider it in my analysis.Me as 6L is in 2nd house,Means in Karaksthan.I think we should add another point that Ve as FK is placed in 12th from 2nd,means 1st house.All these show that even with being Sa in Ve nakshtra ,the delay will not be moderated. The general status of chart is unhappy(I think it has discussed ).Sa delay will be ended in 21-22 May 2005.Aftre Mo antra we have Ma antra.Ma has 12 pts ,but I think it can't give marriage as it is not SD for 6L or even is not the lowest point Planet for 7H in WS.After that we have Ra antra which more represents Ve,which is lowest point planet for 7H inWS.I think 3rd sector of Ra antra will give the results.Maybe between 7-Jun-2007 to 19-Jun-2007.One member had asked about that why I told heart attach.When Su and Ma are related to 4th and 5th house by lordship or placement or being with their lords,It will be the possibility of heart attack.Also I think this native will have a bad accident in Mo MD and Ve AD .I explained it in my previous message.It may be some problems for childbirth because two malefics(Ra and Ma ) are there ,Its FK(8th lord from 5th which is Ju) is in 4th(12th from 5th), and also 5th lord is with 6th lord.As Ash ji has told,it is not bad if our answer is wrong,we should not fear that if we give a wrong answer,it showes us a weak student.We should give our thoughts,our ideas.Jus by that means we can learn.My answer my be wrong.It is not important for me if anyone think I am strong or weak after seeing my answer.THE ONLY IMPORTANT THING IS LEARNING COMPLETELY.Best WishesHussein , "Anup. M" <dalh_1 wrote:>> Dear Devi singh ji, >  >  > I think samdharmi concept is not clear somewhere in your mail>  > Pleae note that ..> MOON AND JU ARE NOT NATURAL SAMDHARMI > JU AND MARS ARE NOT NATURAL SAMDHARMI.>  > Also we do not consider 4:10 relation in navamsa.>  >  > Regards> Anup >  > > > --- On Tue, 10/11/09, devisigh devisingh.rajput wrote:> > > devisigh devisingh.rajput Re: Re: Practice Chart> > Tuesday, 10 November, 2009, 6:56 PM> > >  > > > > Dear All;> > Some more thoughts to fix antra> > St full delay but st have moved 15 degree so considering 27.5-1.3=26. 3 year initial value> Ju aspects Hb in navamsa but is is in libra with rahu in navamsa and in nakshtra of St so it can not check to saturn so full delay no help from Ju to reduce delay as staus of Ju is not good> > no zero in SAV so no addition in delay> Blessing in navamsa but can not help to reduce delay> St is with Ra in rashi so more affilicted add delay> Mo aspected by Ra in rashi and St cojoin in navamsa ,As lumanaries are aspected so that will add delay > > Main dasha lord Mo is OK as karka to give 7th house events> > Mo-Mo> Mo LoD and Natural Samdharmi to Ju can give event> > But I think this would not be case as some what delay have to be added> > Mo-Ma> Ju and Ma both in cancer one in rasi and another in navamsa makes them samdharmi> Ju and Ma both are natural samdharmi> Ju and Ma 4:10 in rashi/navamsa> Ju LoE and high point So Event can be in 3rd sector of it.> > > Mo-Ra> Ra represnts Su/Ve....considerin g more like Ve NK FK.... and cojoin Ju in navamsa so samdahrmi to Ju > > so Event can be in 3rd sector of it.......seems not wise choice still to me> > Mo-Ju> Ju Can give Event in 3rd Sector on it> > will come up with more thought as gets educated to this system> ------------ ------ > Regards, > Devisingh> > devisigh wrote: > Dear Ash ji,> > Namaskar> > Sincere thanks for your words attitude intension and time. > > I am trying my all time what i can collect to study this system. > I guess this can takes time may be 3year (less points till that time also indicate hardwork and busy for me) Will continue my attempt/doubts hope for comments from moderators for same.> I am enjoying achieves thanks to Krushna,sanjay, Donna,Peter, Magritta and all very nice considering old time and situation.> hope that will helps me to understand and utilize system and finally to absorb root or essence of system so other all system and vedic text can be clarified with same so better results can be obtained related to timing of events.> Everybody is trying/pushing here only to help others using there own approach It is really appreciated GOD WILL HELP THEM WHO HELPED OTHERS> > Please find below is thought process/approach:> I am taking acceptance that person is not mentally retired and birth details are correct no rectification required> > Quality of 7th house:> > > checking Ju in Libra in rashi/navamsa. ...navamsa has that...it is RK,NRK and LoE..seems not good for marriage.> checking Ve nakshatra in rashi...bharni. ..ok> checking Su and Ve distance in rashi...less then 43...ok> checking Ve is with Ra,St or aspect in rashi/navamsa. ....Ve is with St in navamsa....spoils Ve more> checking LoA,LoB,LoC, LoD,LoE in rashi.....Ve, St..Mo,Ju> checking planets with Ra in rashi/navamsa. ..Sa and Ju.....St is LoC and Ju is loE for 7th house and LoA for 5th house.> checking Ra aspects on house in rashi/navamsa. ..9,12,2. .7,9,11.. 12th is HoE,2nd is HoA,9th is karak for HoA and HoC for child..7th is HB,11th is HC> checking Ra aspects on planets in rashi and navamsa...Me, Su......Me 6th lord become more malefic and Su LoB for child case> checking for planets with 6th/12th lord in rashi/navamsa. .... Ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord.....me is with ve in navamsa spoils ve.> checking for aspects on house in rashi/navamsa by 6th/12th lord..... ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord.....> checking for aspects on planets in rashi/navamsa by 6th/12th lord..... ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord.....> cheking malefic aspects on ABCDE in rashi.....Ju with 5 points aspects to HoE,Ve with 6 points aspects to HB> cheking benific aspects on ABCDE in rashi.....St with 2 points also LoC aspects to HB,HA and Mo aspects to HBBlessings,compatibi lity,DBCE, strong house,strong planets:> > > as usual to be looked will look another timeFinding significator:> > > checking for 2nd lord in rashi......Ve is 2nd lord...Ve antra will bring more pain> looking at 2,7,11 lords...ve and st....ve is with 6 points and st is with 2 points ....left st less points and left ve 2nd lord> looking at 2,7,11 occupents ...me and su...me is with 7 points and su is with 4 points ...left su less points and left me 6th lord> looking at 4,12 occupents... ju and ke(ju/ju)... so ju....ju is with 5 points ....considering ju ...left as in Libra and aspect malefic to HOE> consider Reperesnter for Ra/Ke...Su,Ve/ Ju,Ju.... ..left Ra as alresdy left su and ve,left ke as already left ju> looking at 4,12 lords....Mo, ju....considerin g moon as already left ju....mo may act......... still requires more time for me to finalise> > ------------ ------ > Regards, > Devisingh> > Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca wrote: >  > > > Dear Devisingh ji,>  > Very nice attempt. Please continue your chain of thought.>  > Try to find the antra that you think might give marriage. Just go upto antra.>  > So first compute the delay and there after start to think over the best possible period that u think can give the event.>  > However, do write your thinking process. That will help one figure out where you are going away or your confusion.>  > Well Done.>  > > Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca>  > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of devisigh> Thursday November 5, 2009 6:42 AM> astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com> Re: [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Practice Chart>  >  > > > > Dear All;> > My first attempt using KAS rules/techniques only> > 7th house marriage:> selecting Mo main Dasha which is with FK Ve for 7th house> Su and Ju seems significator from ws points for 7th house> other planets aspects 7th house i left them> Su is with Me which is 6th load makes Su samdharmi to 6th lord i left that> Ju having highest points and also LoE> now considering Ju only as strong significator which in RK and NRK and natural samdharmi to Mo which is LoD.> Ju does not have sight on A/B/C and is LoE can gives results> > Thinking for samdharmi of Ju> in navamsa Ju is with Ra ...makes Ju and Ra samdharmi > Ra can be thought to facilitate results for 7th house matters .......still this takes time for me to finalize> > ------------ ------ > Regards, > Devisingh> > > ashsam73 wrote: > >  > > Dear Nikhlesh ji,> > You are correct. It was a typo. It was good that I gave the degree of all planets so this mistake could be checked right in the begining.> > Thanks Nikhlesh ji.> > The date should be May 24th.> > 24th May 1979> 4:10 AM> 28N40> 77E13> > Sorry about that.> > Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "nikhlesh mathur" <nikhleshmathur@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > > > Sub: 24th Feb 1979, 4.10 am, 28.N.40, 77.E.13> > Dear Ash ji,> > > > You said that Su is 9Ta31 for the above native. But a person born on the month of Feb cannot have his Sun in Taurus sign. It should be in Aquarius at this time.> > > > If other things are okay then I think the birth date is 24th May.> > > > Please confirm.> > > > Regards,> > Nikhlesh Mathur> > > > > > On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:47:29 +0530 wrote> > >> > > > Add to> > this.> > > > > > 6) When> > can the native face health problems?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > > > > > > > > > Ash's Corner@ [kas@] > > Monday October 26, 2009> > 12:18 AM> > To:> > 'astrologyandtiming events@grou ps.com'> > Practice Chart> > > > > > Dear> > Group,> > > > > > > > This> > lady has been posting charts in various lists for many years now. > > > > > > > > Here is> > the chart > > > > > > > > 24th> > Feb 1979> > > > 4:10 AM> > > > 28N40> > > > 77E13> > > > > > > > From> > what I gather, she had an affair or liked some guy that she wanted to> > marry. I am not clear from her posts> > that if she married the same guy or not.> > Her parents were looking out for some proposals for her.> > > > > > > > If this> > chart came blindly to you, can you predict the following.> > > > > > > > 1)> > Marriage> > > > 2)> > Child birth> > > > 3)> > Marital Relations overall> > > > 4)> > She has been complaining that relations are bad after marriage and> > asked if she should go for divorce.> > > > 5)> > Why she had affair or what are the yogs for that in this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet> > > > > > Degrees> > > > > > > > > > As> > > > > > 15 Ar 55> > > > > > > > > > Su> > > > > > 9 Ta 31> > > > > > > > > > Mo> > > > > > 13 Ar 48> > > > > > > > > > Ma> > > > > > 13 Ar 8> > > > > > > > > > Me> > > > > > 2 Ta 15> > > > > > > > > > Ju> > > > > > 11 Cn 16> > > > > > > > > > Ve> > > > > > 14 Ar 30> > > > > > > > > > Sa> > > > > > 14 Le 35> > > > > > > > > > Ra> > > > > > 20 Le 59> > > > > > > > > > Ke> > > > > > 20 Aq 59> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Dear Hussein ji and group, Very near and you are following the the rules very deeply. Everyone is seeing your appreciation so well done. The conclusion is not so far as we all think every member is having a definite and precise approach. Regards Anup --- On Tue, 10/11/09, Hussein <ahahosien wrote: Hussein <ahahosien Re: Practice Chart Date: Tuesday, 10 November, 2009, 11:02 PM Dear Ash ji ,Anup ji and membersLet at first thanks Ash ji and Anup ji for their good guides and kind words which encourages us for learning more and more.Thanks Anup ji for his correction.Yes, we should consider the spoiling of Karaks.I didn't consider it in my analysis.Me as 6L is in 2nd house,Means in Karaksthan.I think we should add another point that Ve as FK is placed in 12th from 2nd,means 1st house.All these show that even with being Sa in Ve nakshtra ,the delay will not be moderated. The general status of chart is unhappy(I think it has discussed ).Sa delay will be ended in 21-22 May 2005.Aftre Mo antra we have Ma antra.Ma has 12 pts ,but I think it can't give marriage as it is not SD for 6L or even is not the lowest point Planet for 7H in WS.After that we have Ra antra which more represents Ve,which is lowest point planet for 7H inWS.I think 3rd sector of Ra antra will give the results.Maybe between 7-Jun-2007 to 19-Jun-2007.One member had asked about that why I told heart attach.When Su and Ma are related to 4th and 5th house by lordship or placement or being with their lords,It will be the possibility of heart attack.Also I think this native will have a bad accident in Mo MD and Ve AD .I explained it in my previous message.It may be some problems for childbirth because two malefics(Ra and Ma ) are there ,Its FK(8th lord from 5th which is Ju) is in 4th(12th from 5th), and also 5th lord is with 6th lord.As Ash ji has told,it is not bad if our answer is wrong,we should not fear that if we give a wrong answer,it showes us a weak student.We should give our thoughts,our ideas.Jus by that means we can learn.My answer my be wrong.It is not important for me if anyone think I am strong or weak after seeing my answer.THE ONLY IMPORTANT THING IS LEARNING COMPLETELY.Best WishesHusseinastrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "Anup. M" <dalh_1 wrote:>> Dear Devi singh ji, >  >  > I think samdharmi concept is not clear somewhere in your mail>  > Pleae note that ..> MOON AND JU ARE NOT NATURAL SAMDHARMI > JU AND MARS ARE NOT NATURAL SAMDHARMI.>  > Also we do not consider 4:10 relation in navamsa.>  >  > Regards> Anup >  > > > --- On Tue, 10/11/09, devisigh devisingh.rajput@ ... wrote:> > > devisigh devisingh.rajput@ ...> Re: [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Practice Chart> astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com> Tuesday, 10 November, 2009, 6:56 PM> > >  > > > > Dear All;> > Some more thoughts to fix antra> > St full delay but st have moved 15 degree so considering 27.5-1.3=26. 3 year initial value> Ju aspects Hb in navamsa but is is in libra with rahu in navamsa and in nakshtra of St so it can not check to saturn so full delay no help from Ju to reduce delay as staus of Ju is not good> > no zero in SAV so no addition in delay> Blessing in navamsa but can not help to reduce delay> St is with Ra in rashi so more affilicted add delay> Mo aspected by Ra in rashi and St cojoin in navamsa ,As lumanaries are aspected so that will add delay > > Main dasha lord Mo is OK as karka to give 7th house events> > Mo-Mo> Mo LoD and Natural Samdharmi to Ju can give event> > But I think this would not be case as some what delay have to be added> > Mo-Ma> Ju and Ma both in cancer one in rasi and another in navamsa makes them samdharmi> Ju and Ma both are natural samdharmi> Ju and Ma 4:10 in rashi/navamsa> Ju LoE and high point So Event can be in 3rd sector of it.> > > Mo-Ra> Ra represnts Su/Ve....considerin g more like Ve NK FK.... and cojoin Ju in navamsa so samdahrmi to Ju > > so Event can be in 3rd sector of it.......seems not wise choice still to me> > Mo-Ju> Ju Can give Event in 3rd Sector on it> > will come up with more thought as gets educated to this system> ------------ ------ > Regards, > Devisingh> > devisigh wrote: > Dear Ash ji,> > Namaskar> > Sincere thanks for your words attitude intension and time. > > I am trying my all time what i can collect to study this system. > I guess this can takes time may be 3year (less points till that time also indicate hardwork and busy for me) Will continue my attempt/doubts hope for comments from moderators for same.> I am enjoying achieves thanks to Krushna,sanjay, Donna,Peter, Magritta and all very nice considering old time and situation.> hope that will helps me to understand and utilize system and finally to absorb root or essence of system so other all system and vedic text can be clarified with same so better results can be obtained related to timing of events.> Everybody is trying/pushing here only to help others using there own approach It is really appreciated GOD WILL HELP THEM WHO HELPED OTHERS> > Please find below is thought process/approach:> I am taking acceptance that person is not mentally retired and birth details are correct no rectification required> > Quality of 7th house:> > > checking Ju in Libra in rashi/navamsa. ....navamsa has that...it is RK,NRK and LoE..seems not good for marriage.> checking Ve nakshatra in rashi...bharni. ..ok> checking Su and Ve distance in rashi...less then 43...ok> checking Ve is with Ra,St or aspect in rashi/navamsa. ....Ve is with St in navamsa....spoils Ve more> checking LoA,LoB,LoC, LoD,LoE in rashi.....Ve, St..Mo,Ju> checking planets with Ra in rashi/navamsa. ..Sa and Ju.....St is LoC and Ju is loE for 7th house and LoA for 5th house.> checking Ra aspects on house in rashi/navamsa. ..9,12,2. .7,9,11.. 12th is HoE,2nd is HoA,9th is karak for HoA and HoC for child..7th is HB,11th is HC> checking Ra aspects on planets in rashi and navamsa...Me, Su......Me 6th lord become more malefic and Su LoB for child case> checking for planets with 6th/12th lord in rashi/navamsa. .... Ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord.....me is with ve in navamsa spoils ve.> checking for aspects on house in rashi/navamsa by 6th/12th lord..... ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord.....> checking for aspects on planets in rashi/navamsa by 6th/12th lord..... ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord.....> cheking malefic aspects on ABCDE in rashi.....Ju with 5 points aspects to HoE,Ve with 6 points aspects to HB> cheking benific aspects on ABCDE in rashi.....St with 2 points also LoC aspects to HB,HA and Mo aspects to HBBlessings, compatibi lity,DBCE, strong house,strong planets:> > > as usual to be looked will look another timeFinding significator:> > > checking for 2nd lord in rashi......Ve is 2nd lord...Ve antra will bring more pain> looking at 2,7,11 lords...ve and st....ve is with 6 points and st is with 2 points ....left st less points and left ve 2nd lord> looking at 2,7,11 occupents ...me and su...me is with 7 points and su is with 4 points ...left su less points and left me 6th lord> looking at 4,12 occupents... ju and ke(ju/ju)... so ju....ju is with 5 points ....considering ju ...left as in Libra and aspect malefic to HOE> consider Reperesnter for Ra/Ke...Su,Ve/ Ju,Ju.... ..left Ra as alresdy left su and ve,left ke as already left ju> looking at 4,12 lords....Mo, ju....considerin g moon as already left ju....mo may act......... still requires more time for me to finalise> > ------------ ------ > Regards, > Devisingh> > Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca wrote: >  > > > Dear Devisingh ji,>  > Very nice attempt. Please continue your chain of thought.>  > Try to find the antra that you think might give marriage. Just go upto antra.>  > So first compute the delay and there after start to think over the best possible period that u think can give the event.>  > However, do write your thinking process. That will help one figure out where you are going away or your confusion.>  > Well Done.>  > > Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca>  > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of devisigh> Thursday November 5, 2009 6:42 AM> astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com> Re: [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Practice Chart>  >  > > > > Dear All;> > My first attempt using KAS rules/techniques only> > 7th house marriage:> selecting Mo main Dasha which is with FK Ve for 7th house> Su and Ju seems significator from ws points for 7th house> other planets aspects 7th house i left them> Su is with Me which is 6th load makes Su samdharmi to 6th lord i left that> Ju having highest points and also LoE> now considering Ju only as strong significator which in RK and NRK and natural samdharmi to Mo which is LoD.> Ju does not have sight on A/B/C and is LoE can gives results> > Thinking for samdharmi of Ju> in navamsa Ju is with Ra ...makes Ju and Ra samdharmi > Ra can be thought to facilitate results for 7th house matters .......still this takes time for me to finalize> > ------------ ------ > Regards, > Devisingh> > > ashsam73 wrote: > >  > > Dear Nikhlesh ji,> > You are correct. It was a typo. It was good that I gave the degree of all planets so this mistake could be checked right in the begining.> > Thanks Nikhlesh ji.> > The date should be May 24th.> > 24th May 1979> 4:10 AM> 28N40> 77E13> > Sorry about that.> > Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "nikhlesh mathur" <nikhleshmathur@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > > > Sub: 24th Feb 1979, 4.10 am, 28.N.40, 77.E.13> > Dear Ash ji,> > > > You said that Su is 9Ta31 for the above native. But a person born on the month of Feb cannot have his Sun in Taurus sign. It should be in Aquarius at this time.> > > > If other things are okay then I think the birth date is 24th May.> > > > Please confirm.> > > > Regards,> > Nikhlesh Mathur> > > > > > On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:47:29 +0530 wrote> > >> > > > Add to> > this.> > > > > > 6) When> > can the native face health problems?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > > > > > > > > > Ash's Corner@ [kas@ ] > > Monday October 26, 2009> > 12:18 AM> > To:> > 'astrologyandtiming events@grou ps.com'> > Practice Chart> > > > > > Dear> > Group,> > > > > > > > This> > lady has been posting charts in various lists for many years now. > > > > > > > > Here is> > the chart > > > > > > > > 24th> > Feb 1979> > > > 4:10 AM> > > > 28N40> > > > 77E13> > > > > > > > From> > what I gather, she had an affair or liked some guy that she wanted to> > marry. I am not clear from her posts> > that if she married the same guy or not.> > Her parents were looking out for some proposals for her.> > > > > > > > If this> > chart came blindly to you, can you predict the following.> > > > > > > > 1)> > Marriage> > > > 2)> > Child birth> > > > 3)> > Marital Relations overall> > > > 4)> > She has been complaining that relations are bad after marriage and> > asked if she should go for divorce.> > > > 5)> > Why she had affair or what are the yogs for that in this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet> > > > > > Degrees> > > > > > > > > > As> > > > > > 15 Ar 55> > > > > > > > > > Su> > > > > > 9 Ta 31> > > > > > > > > > Mo> > > > > > 13 Ar 48> > > > > > > > > > Ma> > > > > > 13 Ar 8> > > > > > > > > > Me> > > > > > 2 Ta 15> > > > > > > > > > Ju> > > > > > 11 Cn 16> > > > > > > > > > Ve> > > > > > 14 Ar 30> > > > > > > > > > Sa> > > > > > 14 Le 35> > > > > > > > > > Ra> > > > > > 20 Le 59> > > > > > > > > > Ke> > > > > > 20 Aq 59> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> >>  > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Dear Hussein ji and Group, I picked this chart up from one of the lists, therefore if the motive was just to find the answer then that would defeat the purpose. Anyone can find that if they really want to find the answer. But that is not the intent and that is why I made it clear right in the first mail. On the contrary, I am more interested in giving this exercise to work on the Technique to find the Timing of Event using our system. Those who really just want to find the answer can easily dig up this data from the lists, that will not be difficult. Yes, I have heard this comment many times, that after an event is known its easy to justify, and that is true, but only in those cases when the parameters can change. It is not so with KAS. Once we cast the chart the Worksheet is fixed and that cannot be changed. Therefore the rules of the system are fixed. This particular thing is not in any system that I have known. Our WS is fixed, now what’s left is the interpretation of the same. Anyone using KAS is using the WS which is fixed for all 12 house of the chart and for all 12 house in all the 16 vargas, which I repeat IS FIXED and CANNOT CHANGE. So there is a big difference. Anyone with a scientific mind or a man/woman of science will know the power of the above and the gravity of the above statement. Here is a quote from Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science “Science (from the Latin scientia, meaning " knowledge " ) is, in its broadest sense, any systematic knowledge-base or prescriptive practice that is capable of resulting in a prediction or predictable type of outcome. In this sense, science may refer to a highly skilled technique or practice.” Yes, the events match as per our system, and we are using repeatable laws that so many Jyotish who have a scientific approach and are looking for studying Jyotish as a Science as Guru ji has written in the Preface. So Hussein ji and group members, we are trying to focus on the technique rather than the answer. If the technique is right then answers will come that is a given. Even if members are coming close to the answer, in my opinion are doing very well. This knowledge cannot be rushed. You cannot do PhD portion by doing a crash course. A lot of research has to be done to work on the theory that you work on in your Bachelors and then in the Masters you apply the same and then you can get your Doctorate. Yes, the portion given by Guru ji is very powerful knowledge. The value of it, one can realize after spending years in solving many many charts. So, I repeat again, the aim of this exercise is to work and practice the technique. If the technique is right the answers will come, using fixed rules and a WS and WS of all vargas which will not change and are fixed which implies that the rules of the game are fixed and not a variable. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Hussein Tuesday November 10, 2009 12:33 PM To: Subject: Re: Practice Chart Dear Ash ji ,Anup ji and members Let at first thanks Ash ji and Anup ji for their good guides and kind words which encourages us for learning more and more. Thanks Anup ji for his correction.Yes,we should consider the spoiling of Karaks.I didn't consider it in my analysis.Me as 6L is in 2nd house,Means in Karaksthan.I think we should add another point that Ve as FK is placed in 12th from 2nd,means 1st house.All these show that even with being Sa in Ve nakshtra ,the delay will not be moderated. The general status of chart is unhappy(I think it has discussed ).Sa delay will be ended in 21-22 May 2005.Aftre Mo antra we have Ma antra.Ma has 12 pts ,but I think it can't give marriage as it is not SD for 6L or even is not the lowest point Planet for 7H in WS.After that we have Ra antra which more represents Ve,which is lowest point planet for 7H inWS.I think 3rd sector of Ra antra will give the results.Maybe between 7-Jun-2007 to 19-Jun-2007. One member had asked about that why I told heart attach.When Su and Ma are related to 4th and 5th house by lordship or placement or being with their lords,It will be the possibility of heart attack.Also I think this native will have a bad accident in Mo MD and Ve AD .I explained it in my previous message. It may be some problems for childbirth because two malefics(Ra and Ma ) are there ,Its FK(8th lord from 5th which is Ju) is in 4th(12th from 5th), and also 5th lord is with 6th lord. As Ash ji has told,it is not bad if our answer is wrong,we should not fear that if we give a wrong answer,it showes us a weak student.We should give our thoughts,our ideas.Jus by that means we can learn.My answer my be wrong.It is not important for me if anyone think I am strong or weak after seeing my answer.THE ONLY IMPORTANT THING IS LEARNING COMPLETELY. Best Wishes Hussein , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Devi singh ji, >  >  > I think samdharmi concept is not clear somewhere in your mail >  > Pleae note that .. > MOON AND JU ARE NOT NATURAL SAMDHARMI > JU AND MARS ARE NOT NATURAL SAMDHARMI. >  > Also we do not consider 4:10 relation in navamsa. >  >  > Regards > Anup >  > > > --- On Tue, 10/11/09, devisigh devisingh.rajput wrote: > > > devisigh devisingh.rajput > Re: Re: Practice Chart > > Tuesday, 10 November, 2009, 6:56 PM > > >  > > > > Dear All; > > Some more thoughts to fix antra > > St full delay but st have moved 15 degree so considering 27.5-1.3=26. 3 year initial value > Ju aspects Hb in navamsa but is is in libra with rahu in navamsa and in nakshtra of St so it can not check to saturn so full delay no help from Ju to reduce delay as staus of Ju is not good > > no zero in SAV so no addition in delay > Blessing in navamsa but can not help to reduce delay > St is with Ra in rashi so more affilicted add delay > Mo aspected by Ra in rashi and St cojoin in navamsa ,As lumanaries are aspected so that will add delay > > Main dasha lord Mo is OK as karka to give 7th house events > > Mo-Mo > Mo LoD and Natural Samdharmi to Ju can give event > > But I think this would not be case as some what delay have to be added > > Mo-Ma > Ju and Ma both in cancer one in rasi and another in navamsa makes them samdharmi > Ju and Ma both are natural samdharmi > Ju and Ma 4:10 in rashi/navamsa > Ju LoE and high point So Event can be in 3rd sector of it. > > > Mo-Ra > Ra represnts Su/Ve....considerin g more like Ve NK FK.... and cojoin Ju in navamsa so samdahrmi to Ju > > so Event can be in 3rd sector of it.......seems not wise choice still to me > > Mo-Ju > Ju Can give Event in 3rd Sector on it > > will come up with more thought as gets educated to this system > ------------ ------ > Regards, > Devisingh > > devisigh wrote: > Dear Ash ji, > > Namaskar > > Sincere thanks for your words attitude intension and time. > > I am trying my all time what i can collect to study this system. > I guess this can takes time may be 3year (less points till that time also indicate hardwork and busy for me) Will continue my attempt/doubts hope for comments from moderators for same. > I am enjoying achieves thanks to Krushna,sanjay, Donna,Peter, Magritta and all very nice considering old time and situation. > hope that will helps me to understand and utilize system and finally to absorb root or essence of system so other all system and vedic text can be clarified with same so better results can be obtained related to timing of events. > Everybody is trying/pushing here only to help others using there own approach It is really appreciated GOD WILL HELP THEM WHO HELPED OTHERS > > Please find below is thought process/approach: > I am taking acceptance that person is not mentally retired and birth details are correct no rectification required > > Quality of 7th house: > > > checking Ju in Libra in rashi/navamsa. ...navamsa has that...it is RK,NRK and LoE..seems not good for marriage. > checking Ve nakshatra in rashi...bharni. ..ok > checking Su and Ve distance in rashi...less then 43...ok > checking Ve is with Ra,St or aspect in rashi/navamsa. ....Ve is with St in navamsa....spoils Ve more > checking LoA,LoB,LoC, LoD,LoE in rashi.....Ve, St..Mo,Ju > checking planets with Ra in rashi/navamsa. ..Sa and Ju.....St is LoC and Ju is loE for 7th house and LoA for 5th house. > checking Ra aspects on house in rashi/navamsa. ..9,12,2. .7,9,11.. 12th is HoE,2nd is HoA,9th is karak for HoA and HoC for child..7th is HB,11th is HC > checking Ra aspects on planets in rashi and navamsa...Me, Su......Me 6th lord become more malefic and Su LoB for child case > checking for planets with 6th/12th lord in rashi/navamsa. .... Ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord.....me is with ve in navamsa spoils ve. > checking for aspects on house in rashi/navamsa by 6th/12th lord..... ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord..... > checking for aspects on planets in rashi/navamsa by 6th/12th lord..... ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord..... > cheking malefic aspects on ABCDE in rashi.....Ju with 5 points aspects to HoE,Ve with 6 points aspects to HB > cheking benific aspects on ABCDE in rashi.....St with 2 points also LoC aspects to HB,HA and Mo aspects to HBBlessings,compatibi lity,DBCE, strong house,strong planets: > > > as usual to be looked will look another timeFinding significator: > > > checking for 2nd lord in rashi......Ve is 2nd lord...Ve antra will bring more pain > looking at 2,7,11 lords...ve and st....ve is with 6 points and st is with 2 points ....left st less points and left ve 2nd lord > looking at 2,7,11 occupents ...me and su...me is with 7 points and su is with 4 points ...left su less points and left me 6th lord > looking at 4,12 occupents... ju and ke(ju/ju)... so ju....ju is with 5 points ....considering ju ...left as in Libra and aspect malefic to HOE > consider Reperesnter for Ra/Ke...Su,Ve/ Ju,Ju.... ..left Ra as alresdy left su and ve,left ke as already left ju > looking at 4,12 lords....Mo, ju....considerin g moon as already left ju....mo may act......... still requires more time for me to finalise > > ------------ ------ > Regards, > Devisingh > > Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca wrote: >  > > > Dear Devisingh ji, >  > Very nice attempt. Please continue your chain of thought. >  > Try to find the antra that you think might give marriage. Just go upto antra. >  > So first compute the delay and there after start to think over the best possible period that u think can give the event. >  > However, do write your thinking process. That will help one figure out where you are going away or your confusion. >  > Well Done. >  > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca >  > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of devisigh > Thursday November 5, 2009 6:42 AM > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com > Re: [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Practice Chart >  >  > > > > Dear All; > > My first attempt using KAS rules/techniques only > > 7th house marriage: > selecting Mo main Dasha which is with FK Ve for 7th house > Su and Ju seems significator from ws points for 7th house > other planets aspects 7th house i left them > Su is with Me which is 6th load makes Su samdharmi to 6th lord i left that > Ju having highest points and also LoE > now considering Ju only as strong significator which in RK and NRK and natural samdharmi to Mo which is LoD. > Ju does not have sight on A/B/C and is LoE can gives results > > Thinking for samdharmi of Ju > in navamsa Ju is with Ra ...makes Ju and Ra samdharmi > Ra can be thought to facilitate results for 7th house matters .......still this takes time for me to finalize > > ------------ ------ > Regards, > Devisingh > > > ashsam73 wrote: > >  > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > You are correct. It was a typo. It was good that I gave the degree of all planets so this mistake could be checked right in the begining. > > Thanks Nikhlesh ji. > > The date should be May 24th. > > 24th May 1979 > 4:10 AM > 28N40 > 77E13 > > Sorry about that. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sub: 24th Feb 1979, 4.10 am, 28.N.40, 77.E.13 > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > You said that Su is 9Ta31 for the above native. But a person born on the month of Feb cannot have his Sun in Taurus sign. It should be in Aquarius at this time. > > > > If other things are okay then I think the birth date is 24th May. > > > > Please confirm. > > > > Regards, > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:47:29 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > Add to > > this. > > > > > > 6) When > > can the native face health problems? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash's Corner@ [kas@] > > Monday October 26, 2009 > > 12:18 AM > > To: > > 'astrologyandtiming events@grou ps.com' > > Practice Chart > > > > > > Dear > > Group, > > > > > > > > This > > lady has been posting charts in various lists for many years now. > > > > > > > > Here is > > the chart > > > > > > > > 24th > > Feb 1979 > > > > 4:10 AM > > > > 28N40 > > > > 77E13 > > > > > > > > From > > what I gather, she had an affair or liked some guy that she wanted to > > marry. I am not clear from her posts > > that if she married the same guy or not. > > Her parents were looking out for some proposals for her. > > > > > > > > If this > > chart came blindly to you, can you predict the following. > > > > > > > > 1) > > Marriage > > > > 2) > > Child birth > > > > 3) > > Marital Relations overall > > > > 4) > > She has been complaining that relations are bad after marriage and > > asked if she should go for divorce. > > > > 5) > > Why she had affair or what are the yogs for that in this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > > > > Degrees > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > 15 Ar 55 > > > > > > > > > > Su > > > > > > 9 Ta 31 > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > 13 Ar 48 > > > > > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > 13 Ar 8 > > > > > > > > > > Me > > > > > > 2 Ta 15 > > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > 11 Cn 16 > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > 14 Ar 30 > > > > > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > 14 Le 35 > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > 20 Le 59 > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > 20 Aq 59 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Dear Hussein ji, Please take your time to sit down with a pen and a paper and peace and quiet around you and then you can clear you mind of all worries and then focus on the Chart and with concentration. Do not try to rush and do the chart quickly. There is no rush from my side. Now that you are back, go though the emails of other members and ask questions if u don’t understand a particular approach or thinking and discuss each issue. I do not expect everyone to agree either, so that will generate more discussion. The answer is one, but I am hoping that in doing discussions, all of you collectively will move closer to the actual facts. This quiz or whatever you might want to call it, quest of knowledge, is given to discuss. Put down all the possible scenarios even if you are confused. Just go though the mails, and I have written about that too. So not to worry, if u are uncertain if a particular chain of thought will lead to the event and if there are more than 2 logically approach then put all 3 scenarios down with giving the dates or probable dates clearly at the end so its easy to read. Most important of all, discuss each scenarios and brain storm with each other. Bella ji, Ramesh ji, Nikhlesh ji, Prabha ji all have given their comments. I was waiting for u to get back so that u can catch up as well and start to discuss these scenarios. If anyone has the time, can categorize each ones mails and group the different scenarios with the probable dates for the events asked that way, it will become a comprehensive study. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Hussein Tuesday November 10, 2009 12:33 PM To: Subject: Re: Practice Chart Dear Ash ji ,Anup ji and members Let at first thanks Ash ji and Anup ji for their good guides and kind words which encourages us for learning more and more. Thanks Anup ji for his correction.Yes,we should consider the spoiling of Karaks.I didn't consider it in my analysis.Me as 6L is in 2nd house,Means in Karaksthan.I think we should add another point that Ve as FK is placed in 12th from 2nd,means 1st house.All these show that even with being Sa in Ve nakshtra ,the delay will not be moderated. The general status of chart is unhappy(I think it has discussed ).Sa delay will be ended in 21-22 May 2005.Aftre Mo antra we have Ma antra.Ma has 12 pts ,but I think it can't give marriage as it is not SD for 6L or even is not the lowest point Planet for 7H in WS.After that we have Ra antra which more represents Ve,which is lowest point planet for 7H inWS.I think 3rd sector of Ra antra will give the results.Maybe between 7-Jun-2007 to 19-Jun-2007. One member had asked about that why I told heart attach.When Su and Ma are related to 4th and 5th house by lordship or placement or being with their lords,It will be the possibility of heart attack.Also I think this native will have a bad accident in Mo MD and Ve AD .I explained it in my previous message. It may be some problems for childbirth because two malefics(Ra and Ma ) are there ,Its FK(8th lord from 5th which is Ju) is in 4th(12th from 5th), and also 5th lord is with 6th lord. As Ash ji has told,it is not bad if our answer is wrong,we should not fear that if we give a wrong answer,it showes us a weak student.We should give our thoughts,our ideas.Jus by that means we can learn.My answer my be wrong.It is not important for me if anyone think I am strong or weak after seeing my answer.THE ONLY IMPORTANT THING IS LEARNING COMPLETELY. Best Wishes Hussein , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Devi singh ji, >  >  > I think samdharmi concept is not clear somewhere in your mail >  > Pleae note that .. > MOON AND JU ARE NOT NATURAL SAMDHARMI > JU AND MARS ARE NOT NATURAL SAMDHARMI. >  > Also we do not consider 4:10 relation in navamsa. >  >  > Regards > Anup >  > > > --- On Tue, 10/11/09, devisigh devisingh.rajput wrote: > > > devisigh devisingh.rajput > Re: Re: Practice Chart > > Tuesday, 10 November, 2009, 6:56 PM > > >  > > > > Dear All; > > Some more thoughts to fix antra > > St full delay but st have moved 15 degree so considering 27.5-1.3=26. 3 year initial value > Ju aspects Hb in navamsa but is is in libra with rahu in navamsa and in nakshtra of St so it can not check to saturn so full delay no help from Ju to reduce delay as staus of Ju is not good > > no zero in SAV so no addition in delay > Blessing in navamsa but can not help to reduce delay > St is with Ra in rashi so more affilicted add delay > Mo aspected by Ra in rashi and St cojoin in navamsa ,As lumanaries are aspected so that will add delay > > Main dasha lord Mo is OK as karka to give 7th house events > > Mo-Mo > Mo LoD and Natural Samdharmi to Ju can give event > > But I think this would not be case as some what delay have to be added > > Mo-Ma > Ju and Ma both in cancer one in rasi and another in navamsa makes them samdharmi > Ju and Ma both are natural samdharmi > Ju and Ma 4:10 in rashi/navamsa > Ju LoE and high point So Event can be in 3rd sector of it. > > > Mo-Ra > Ra represnts Su/Ve....considerin g more like Ve NK FK.... and cojoin Ju in navamsa so samdahrmi to Ju > > so Event can be in 3rd sector of it.......seems not wise choice still to me > > Mo-Ju > Ju Can give Event in 3rd Sector on it > > will come up with more thought as gets educated to this system > ------------ ------ > Regards, > Devisingh > > devisigh wrote: > Dear Ash ji, > > Namaskar > > Sincere thanks for your words attitude intension and time. > > I am trying my all time what i can collect to study this system. > I guess this can takes time may be 3year (less points till that time also indicate hardwork and busy for me) Will continue my attempt/doubts hope for comments from moderators for same. > I am enjoying achieves thanks to Krushna,sanjay, Donna,Peter, Magritta and all very nice considering old time and situation. > hope that will helps me to understand and utilize system and finally to absorb root or essence of system so other all system and vedic text can be clarified with same so better results can be obtained related to timing of events. > Everybody is trying/pushing here only to help others using there own approach It is really appreciated GOD WILL HELP THEM WHO HELPED OTHERS > > Please find below is thought process/approach: > I am taking acceptance that person is not mentally retired and birth details are correct no rectification required > > Quality of 7th house: > > > checking Ju in Libra in rashi/navamsa. ...navamsa has that...it is RK,NRK and LoE..seems not good for marriage. > checking Ve nakshatra in rashi...bharni. ..ok > checking Su and Ve distance in rashi...less then 43...ok > checking Ve is with Ra,St or aspect in rashi/navamsa. ....Ve is with St in navamsa....spoils Ve more > checking LoA,LoB,LoC, LoD,LoE in rashi.....Ve, St..Mo,Ju > checking planets with Ra in rashi/navamsa. ..Sa and Ju.....St is LoC and Ju is loE for 7th house and LoA for 5th house. > checking Ra aspects on house in rashi/navamsa. ..9,12,2. .7,9,11.. 12th is HoE,2nd is HoA,9th is karak for HoA and HoC for child..7th is HB,11th is HC > checking Ra aspects on planets in rashi and navamsa...Me, Su......Me 6th lord become more malefic and Su LoB for child case > checking for planets with 6th/12th lord in rashi/navamsa. .... Ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord.....me is with ve in navamsa spoils ve. > checking for aspects on house in rashi/navamsa by 6th/12th lord..... ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord..... > checking for aspects on planets in rashi/navamsa by 6th/12th lord..... ju is 6th lord and me is 12th lord..... > cheking malefic aspects on ABCDE in rashi.....Ju with 5 points aspects to HoE,Ve with 6 points aspects to HB > cheking benific aspects on ABCDE in rashi.....St with 2 points also LoC aspects to HB,HA and Mo aspects to HBBlessings,compatibi lity,DBCE, strong house,strong planets: > > > as usual to be looked will look another timeFinding significator: > > > checking for 2nd lord in rashi......Ve is 2nd lord...Ve antra will bring more pain > looking at 2,7,11 lords...ve and st....ve is with 6 points and st is with 2 points ....left st less points and left ve 2nd lord > looking at 2,7,11 occupents ...me and su...me is with 7 points and su is with 4 points ...left su less points and left me 6th lord > looking at 4,12 occupents... ju and ke(ju/ju)... so ju....ju is with 5 points ....considering ju ...left as in Libra and aspect malefic to HOE > consider Reperesnter for Ra/Ke...Su,Ve/ Ju,Ju.... ..left Ra as alresdy left su and ve,left ke as already left ju > looking at 4,12 lords....Mo, ju....considerin g moon as already left ju....mo may act......... still requires more time for me to finalise > > ------------ ------ > Regards, > Devisingh > > Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca wrote: >  > > > Dear Devisingh ji, >  > Very nice attempt. Please continue your chain of thought. >  > Try to find the antra that you think might give marriage. Just go upto antra. >  > So first compute the delay and there after start to think over the best possible period that u think can give the event. >  > However, do write your thinking process. That will help one figure out where you are going away or your confusion. >  > Well Done. >  > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca >  > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of devisigh > Thursday November 5, 2009 6:42 AM > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com > Re: [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Practice Chart >  >  > > > > Dear All; > > My first attempt using KAS rules/techniques only > > 7th house marriage: > selecting Mo main Dasha which is with FK Ve for 7th house > Su and Ju seems significator from ws points for 7th house > other planets aspects 7th house i left them > Su is with Me which is 6th load makes Su samdharmi to 6th lord i left that > Ju having highest points and also LoE > now considering Ju only as strong significator which in RK and NRK and natural samdharmi to Mo which is LoD. > Ju does not have sight on A/B/C and is LoE can gives results > > Thinking for samdharmi of Ju > in navamsa Ju is with Ra ...makes Ju and Ra samdharmi > Ra can be thought to facilitate results for 7th house matters .......still this takes time for me to finalize > > ------------ ------ > Regards, > Devisingh > > > ashsam73 wrote: > >  > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > You are correct. It was a typo. It was good that I gave the degree of all planets so this mistake could be checked right in the begining. > > Thanks Nikhlesh ji. > > The date should be May 24th. > > 24th May 1979 > 4:10 AM > 28N40 > 77E13 > > Sorry about that. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sub: 24th Feb 1979, 4.10 am, 28.N.40, 77.E.13 > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > You said that Su is 9Ta31 for the above native. But a person born on the month of Feb cannot have his Sun in Taurus sign. It should be in Aquarius at this time. > > > > If other things are okay then I think the birth date is 24th May. > > > > Please confirm. > > > > Regards, > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:47:29 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > Add to > > this. > > > > > > 6) When > > can the native face health problems? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash's Corner@ [kas@] > > Monday October 26, 2009 > > 12:18 AM > > To: > > 'astrologyandtiming events@grou ps.com' > > Practice Chart > > > > > > Dear > > Group, > > > > > > > > This > > lady has been posting charts in various lists for many years now. > > > > > > > > Here is > > the chart > > > > > > > > 24th > > Feb 1979 > > > > 4:10 AM > > > > 28N40 > > > > 77E13 > > > > > > > > From > > what I gather, she had an affair or liked some guy that she wanted to > > marry. I am not clear from her posts > > that if she married the same guy or not. > > Her parents were looking out for some proposals for her. > > > > > > > > If this > > chart came blindly to you, can you predict the following. > > > > > > > > 1) > > Marriage > > > > 2) > > Child birth > > > > 3) > > Marital Relations overall > > > > 4) > > She has been complaining that relations are bad after marriage and > > asked if she should go for divorce. > > > > 5) > > Why she had affair or what are the yogs for that in this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > > > > Degrees > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > 15 Ar 55 > > > > > > > > > > Su > > > > > > 9 Ta 31 > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > 13 Ar 48 > > > > > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > 13 Ar 8 > > > > > > > > > > Me > > > > > > 2 Ta 15 > > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > 11 Cn 16 > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > 14 Ar 30 > > > > > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > 14 Le 35 > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > 20 Le 59 > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > 20 Aq 59 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Dear Nikhlesh Ji, This is very interesting! Thank you for this insight! With Kind Regards, Shalini , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur wrote: > > > > Dear Bella ji, > > I am trying to answer your 2nd question first. > > It would be easier to understand the computation of delay if you consider that if Sa is of more degrees then comparatively it will take lesser time to arrive at the door step of its previous sign. It is like a head-start available for a race to a candidate. It reaches the finishing point in lesser time theoretically. > > If Sa is at zero degree in a sign then it will take full 27.5 years to arrive at the door step of the previous sign. > > That is, higher the degrees of Sa (say 29 degrees) lesser would be the time it will take to go around the chart and enter the previous sign and so lesser would be the delay. > > The Sa delay factor is included here in degrees. > > So the theorem is clear. > For Sa delay observe the date on which it just enters the previous sign. > > Now this is not sufficient. > > Sa might retrograde and return back to the previous sign. > This would mean that it has yet not completed the delay. It sort of teased the native about completion of delay but went back and in this process continued to cause the delay. > > > Let me spare a few words about a planet being retrograde. > > We all know that Sun is stationary and all planets including our Earth are moving. In astrology we assume that Sun is also moving and that yes all planets are moving around Sun. > > In the subject Physics we learnt about relative motion. Often in a stationary train we feel it is moving if we see another train moving in backward direction. This is relative motion. > > Retrograde is also relative motion. It is relative to Sun. > > Please check out various charts you have. > Observe that when any planet (apart from Moon) is in houses 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th from Sun then generally you would find them retrograde. > > This is just a rough idea. There are other conditions also. The degrees are very-very important here. Particular angular distance of a planet (apart from Rahu, Ketu, Moon) from Sun makes it either retrograde or in direct motion. > > It is like you are standing on a moving Sun and when you see a moving planet just opposite to it you feel it is going in the reverse direction. > Rahu & Ketu are always retrograde. > > So planets keep becoming retrograde in transit because of their placement with respect to Sun (relative to Sun). > > This is just to give a scientific insight on the topic which I believe all must already be knowing. > > Now coming back to the method of how you check for retrograde Sa (or any other planet). > > First remember that in our KAS program a planet gets suffixed by capital R when it goes retrograde. > > Now when you detect the date on which Sa enters the previous sign (for computing delay), observe the position of Sun in transit. > > Is it likely to arrive at a position such that it is 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th from the transit house of Saturn during the next 30 months? > > If yes, simply keep putting different dates in the transit chart and keep observing the Sa degrees. > > Are these degrees increasing or decreasing? > > If they are decreasing then observe when the alphabet R gets suffixed to Sa. > That is the date when Sa gets retrograde. Beware! it might still be in the same sign. > > Keep putting more dates one by one (or week by week) further. Keep observing Sa degrees. > > When it is retrograde it must be decreasing day by day. Soon you will find Sa jumping in the previous sign one fine day. > > In the chart in question Sa entered Cancer sign for the 1st time on 29th Aug 2004 from Gemini. Then it turned retrograde on 8th Nov 2004 when Sa had already travelled 4 degrees in Cancer. Observe the position of Sun at that time (23Li37). It is 251 degrees away from Sa. > > Then on 24th Jan 2005 it skips back in Gemini sign. Observe the relative position of Sun then. The Saturn was 6th from it. > > On 22nd March 2005 Sa stops being retrograde but continues to remain in the Gemini sign. This means the delay is still continued. Sun was 9Pi9 at that time. > > Proceed further. Keep an eye on the degrees of Sa. Check what happened on 16th May 2005. > > On 16th May 2005 it jumps forward into the Cancer sign. Observe the position of Sun at that time. It was in Taurus sign which was 11th from the Saturn new house. So Saturn can then never turn retrograde again while in Cancer sign during its remaining period there. > > Now the delay is technically over on 16th May 2005. > > Check for the antra on that date and proceed with your analysis. > > > Regards, > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:08:48 +0530 wrote > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > Sorry, got little tied up. > > Like Ash ji > has recommended to attempt again and again to strengthen the basic, can we > please put this separation questionnaire towards the end.I would love to > surely discuss little later, but if you don't mind can we please again review > our basics about Sa delay. > Here is my view: > Sa > Delay: > Sa is at > 15’35. I am going to attempt the delay of Sa for an Indian lady where legal age > is 18 years. > 27.5 †" 15.35 > = 25.5 + 15 months 17 days. > = 26 yrs 9 > months 17 days. (approx) > Therefore her > delay should be over on Mar 13 2006. Of course, we have to keep Desh Kaap Patra > in mind and judge the antra accordingly. > Her delay > period was over as soon as Ra antra started which is Feb 2006 but I would > predict 3rd sector because of full Sa delay which is Jan 17 2007 †" Jul 10 > 2007.Also Sa is in 5th Hs and will not > nullify the delay. > Please > comment on this antra. > > Nikhlesh ji, > I have a question. > 1) Keeping Desh Kaal Patra in mind we have to make the judgement but say > for example there is a boy and a girl from urban rural area in India, same place > where the legal age is 18 and 21. They both are uneducated and both are under > same delay than with this 3 years difference how do we pick the antra for each > one. > > 2) Now, > I see that you have picked Mo antra. This could be a very basic question > but I am lost so I am going to ask. How do you see Sa retrogation in previous > sign or how do you use the transit chart to find the retrogation planet during > certain period. > > Thank you, > -Bella. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Dear Nikhlesh Ji and Respected group Members, You are right that Rahu is a great contender for marriage as it acts more like Venus who has low power for 7H and 12h, but high for 5h. Then when could her affair have began? For 5h as HB Jupiter is LoA, LoC in 12h from HB with 5 bindus. I believe when an antra is in 12h from HB with more bindus it cannot give results for HB. Then there is Saturn who is LoE in HB and has good/high points for 5h,12h,7h. We are also thinking that her health problems begin from this antra due to conception/childbirth. Look forward to your thoughts. With Kind Regards, Shalini , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur wrote: > > > > 08.11.09 > Sub: Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55 > > Dear Group, > > Proceeding further on the same chart for real practice, I wish to express the following; > > The Sa delay ends in May 2005 and at that time the Moon antra was in operation which is strong enough to give the marriage event. > > What if Moon antra do not give the event? > > The next antra is that of Mars. > > Mars aspects house B (and is weak) so it should not give the result on its own. > > Moon is SD to Mars. So Moon might depute Mars for the job which it somehow could not accomplish. > > Mars would be eager to work for Moon but it does not have strength to accomplish this mission. Mars has only 12 points for 7th house and so is not strong (it is a boundary-line case). > > Mars also has affliction of Rahu and so it would not give the marriage event. > > The Mars antra completes in Feb 2006. Next is Rahu antra. > > > Ra antra: > > Rahu represent Ve & Su. It is more like Ve. > Rahu is LoE for 12th house. It would be eager to give the results of the 12th house (this house is also considered for marriage). > Rahu represents Su also which is LoE for 12th. > > Ve is aspected by Rahu and has low power for 7th house. > > One of the events told is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. If this is the case then she might have got married in a planet of lower strength. > > Ve is weak for 7th house and also for 12th house and Rahu represents Ve. > > Most probably she got marriage in Ra AD (Feb 06 to Aug 07). When marriage is unhappy then it is usually performed in the sub period of the significator planet which has low points. Here Ve is significator for marriage but has low points for 7th house. > > So marriage in the antra of Rahu is possible if the Moon antra earlier is missed. > > Ju antra : If suppose marriage could not take place in Rahu antra as well then the next antra is of Ju. > > Here Ju is LoE and very strong for 7th house. > But it is said and also understood from the chart that there is marriage unhappiness. > > Here Ju is of 30 points for 7th house so it will give the timing but it also has mf of 1.4 which makes it extremely good for the quality of the event happened in its AD. > > Marriage happiness is not seen. So Ju antra must not have given marriage. > > Sa antra : Next is Sa antra. Sa had been the delay causing planet and therefore if the native is still unmarried when this antra came then it will give marriage in the 1st sector itself ( Dec 08 to June 09). > > But again here Sa is strong for 7th house and even after taking mf into account it indicates to give marital happiness which practically speaking is not the case with this native. > > INERENCE INDICATED: > > Considering that this lady had a love marriage and taking into account the unhappiness in her married life, the stronger indications are that she got married in the antra of Ra (representing Ve) which means marrying in low power planet and when the antra of Ju arrived next, some problems started cropping in the married life. > > Regards, > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:33:18 +0530 wrote > > Dear Nikhlesh ji and group, > > Yes the delay is technically over in may 2005. > sofollowing antras are Mars,Rahu,Ju and Sa antra. > > What do you think about these antras? > Mars aspect 7th house now next possible antras for > > 1] Marriage > 2] Conception > 3] Health issues etc ???? > > > Regards > Anup > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Dear Ash ji and Anup jiThanks for your guides.As Ash ji has told,I try to study the chart from other aspects and also give every possibility.One thing which is not clear for me are blessings here.As I see in your analysis of charts,some times you just consider the blessings from Lagna lord and 9th lord in Rasi,and don't consider it in both rasi and navamsha.Is it true that when there is a strong blessing in rasi ,it doesn't need to check for blessing in navamsa or even related to Su and Mo?I saw in your previous message which solved the chart for marriage,you just considered blessing in Rasi.I think we it should be clear for us.Waiting your guides and after that more discusions.Best WishesHussein , "Ash's Corner" <kas wrote:>> Dear Hussein ji,> > Please take your time to sit down with a pen and a paper and peace and quiet> around you and then you can clear you mind of all worries and then focus on> the Chart and with concentration. > > Do not try to rush and do the chart quickly. There is no rush from my side.> Now that you are back, go though the emails of other members and ask> questions if u don't understand a particular approach or thinking and> discuss each issue. I do not expect everyone to agree either, so that will> generate more discussion.> > The answer is one, but I am hoping that in doing discussions, all of you> collectively will move closer to the actual facts. > > This quiz or whatever you might want to call it, quest of knowledge, is> given to discuss. Put down all the possible scenarios even if you are> confused. Just go though the mails, and I have written about that too. So> not to worry, if u are uncertain if a particular chain of thought will lead> to the event and if there are more than 2 logically approach then put all 3> scenarios down with giving the dates or probable dates clearly at the end so> its easy to read.> > Most important of all, discuss each scenarios and brain storm with each> other. Bella ji, Ramesh ji, Nikhlesh ji, Prabha ji all have given their> comments. I was waiting for u to get back so that u can catch up as well> and start to discuss these scenarios.> > If anyone has the time, can categorize each ones mails and group the> different scenarios with the probable dates for the events asked that way,> it will become a comprehensive study.> > Cheers !!!> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > On Behalf Of Hussein> Tuesday November 10, 2009 12:33 PM> > Re: Practice Chart> > > Dear Ash ji ,Anup ji and members> Let at first thanks Ash ji and Anup ji for their good guides and kind words> which encourages us for learning more and more.> Thanks Anup ji for his correction.Yes,we should consider the spoiling of> Karaks.I didn't consider it in my analysis.Me as 6L is in 2nd house,Means in> Karaksthan.I think we should add another point that Ve as FK is placed in> 12th from 2nd,means 1st house.All these show that even with being Sa in Ve> nakshtra ,the delay will not be moderated. > The general status of chart is unhappy(I think it has discussed ).Sa delay> will be ended in 21-22 May 2005.Aftre Mo antra we have Ma antra.Ma has 12> pts ,but I think it can't give marriage as it is not SD for 6L or even is> not the lowest point Planet for 7H in WS.After that we have Ra antra which> more represents Ve,which is lowest point planet for 7H inWS.I think 3rd> sector of Ra antra will give the results.Maybe between 7-Jun-2007 to> 19-Jun-2007.> One member had asked about that why I told heart attach.When Su and Ma are> related to 4th and 5th house by lordship or placement or being with their> lords,It will be the possibility of heart attack.Also I think this native> will have a bad accident in Mo MD and Ve AD .I explained it in my previous> message.> It may be some problems for childbirth because two malefics(Ra and Ma ) are> there ,Its FK(8th lord from 5th which is Ju) is in 4th(12th from 5th), and> also 5th lord is with 6th lord.> As Ash ji has told,it is not bad if our answer is wrong,we should not fear> that if we give a wrong answer,it showes us a weak student.We should give> our thoughts,our ideas.Jus by that means we can learn.My answer my be> wrong.It is not important for me if anyone think I am strong or weak after> seeing my answer.THE ONLY IMPORTANT THING IS LEARNING COMPLETELY.> Best Wishes> Hussein> > > > > > > > > > > , "Anup. M" dalh_1@> wrote:> >> > Dear Devi singh ji, > >  > >  > > I think samdharmi concept is not clear somewhere in your mail> >  > > Pleae note that ..> > MOON AND JU ARE NOT NATURAL SAMDHARMI > > JU AND MARS ARE NOT NATURAL SAMDHARMI.> >  > > Also we do not consider 4:10 relation in navamsa.> >  > >  > > Regards> > Anup > >  > > > > > > --- On Tue, 10/11/09, devisigh devisingh.rajput@ wrote:> > > > > > devisigh devisingh.rajput@> > Re: Re: Practice Chart> > > > Tuesday, 10 November, 2009, 6:56 PM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear All;> > > > Some more thoughts to fix antra> > > > St full delay but st have moved 15 degree so considering 27.5-1.3=26. 3> year initial value> > Ju aspects Hb in navamsa but is is in libra with rahu in navamsa and in> nakshtra of St so it can not check to saturn so full delay no help from Ju> to reduce delay as staus of Ju is not good> > > > no zero in SAV so no addition in delay> > Blessing in navamsa but can not help to reduce delay> > St is with Ra in rashi so more affilicted add delay> > Mo aspected by Ra in rashi and St cojoin in navamsa ,As lumanaries are> aspected so that will add delay > > > > Main dasha lord Mo is OK as karka to give 7th house events> > > > Mo-Mo> > Mo LoD and Natural Samdharmi to Ju can give event> > > > But I think this would not be case as some what delay have to be added> > > > Mo-Ma> > Ju and Ma both in cancer one in rasi and another in navamsa makes them> samdharmi> > Ju and Ma both are natural samdharmi> > Ju and Ma 4:10 in rashi/navamsa> > Ju LoE and high point So Event can be in 3rd sector of it.> > > > > > Mo-Ra> > Ra represnts Su/Ve....considerin g more like Ve NK FK.... and cojoin Ju in> navamsa so samdahrmi to Ju > > > > so Event can be in 3rd sector of it.......seems not wise choice still to> me> > > > Mo-Ju> > Ju Can give Event in 3rd Sector on it> > > > will come up with more thought as gets educated to this system> > ------------ ------ > > Regards, > > Devisingh> > > > devisigh wrote: > > Dear Ash ji,> > > > Namaskar> > > > Sincere thanks for your words attitude intension and time. > > > > I am trying my all time what i can collect to study this system. > > I guess this can takes time may be 3year (less points till that time also> indicate hardwork and busy for me) Will continue my attempt/doubts hope for> comments from moderators for same.> > I am enjoying achieves thanks to Krushna,sanjay, Donna,Peter, Magritta and> all very nice considering old time and situation.> > hope that will helps me to understand and utilize system and finally to> absorb root or essence of system so other all system and vedic text can be> clarified with same so better results can be obtained related to timing of> events.> > Everybody is trying/pushing here only to help others using there own> approach It is really appreciated GOD WILL HELP THEM WHO HELPED OTHERS> > > > Please find below is thought process/approach:> > I am taking acceptance that person is not mentally retired and birth> details are correct no rectification required> > > > Quality of 7th house:> > > > > > checking Ju in Libra in rashi/navamsa. ...navamsa has that...it is RK,NRK> and LoE..seems not good for marriage.> > checking Ve nakshatra in rashi...bharni. ..ok> > checking Su and Ve distance in rashi...less then 43...ok> > checking Ve is with Ra,St or aspect in rashi/navamsa. ....Ve is with St in> navamsa....spoils Ve more> > checking LoA,LoB,LoC, LoD,LoE in rashi.....Ve, St..Mo,Ju> > checking planets with Ra in rashi/navamsa. ..Sa and Ju.....St is LoC and> Ju is loE for 7th house and LoA for 5th house.> > checking Ra aspects on house in rashi/navamsa. ..9,12,2. .7,9,11.. 12th is> HoE,2nd is HoA,9th is karak for HoA and HoC for child..7th is HB,11th is HC> > checking Ra aspects on planets in rashi and navamsa...Me, Su......Me 6th> lord become more malefic and Su LoB for child case> > checking for planets with 6th/12th lord in rashi/navamsa. .... Ju is 6th> lord and me is 12th lord.....me is with ve in navamsa spoils ve.> > checking for aspects on house in rashi/navamsa by 6th/12th lord..... ju is> 6th lord and me is 12th lord.....> > checking for aspects on planets in rashi/navamsa by 6th/12th lord..... ju> is 6th lord and me is 12th lord.....> > cheking malefic aspects on ABCDE in rashi.....Ju with 5 points aspects to> HoE,Ve with 6 points aspects to HB> > cheking benific aspects on ABCDE in rashi.....St with 2 points also LoC> aspects to HB,HA and Mo aspects to HBBlessings,compatibi lity,DBCE, strong> house,strong planets:> > > > > > as usual to be looked will look another timeFinding significator:> > > > > > checking for 2nd lord in rashi......Ve is 2nd lord...Ve antra will bring> more pain> > looking at 2,7,11 lords...ve and st....ve is with 6 points and st is with> 2 points ....left st less points and left ve 2nd lord> > looking at 2,7,11 occupents ...me and su...me is with 7 points and su is> with 4 points ...left su less points and left me 6th lord> > looking at 4,12 occupents... ju and ke(ju/ju)... so ju....ju is with 5> points ....considering ju ...left as in Libra and aspect malefic to HOE> > consider Reperesnter for Ra/Ke...Su,Ve/ Ju,Ju.... ..left Ra as alresdy> left su and ve,left ke as already left ju> > looking at 4,12 lords....Mo, ju....considerin g moon as already left> ju....mo may act......... still requires more time for me to finalise> > > > ------------ ------ > > Regards, > > Devisingh> > > > Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca wrote: > >  > > > > > > Dear Devisingh ji,> >  > > Very nice attempt. Please continue your chain of thought.> >  > > Try to find the antra that you think might give marriage. Just go upto> antra.> >  > > So first compute the delay and there after start to think over the best> possible period that u think can give the event.> >  > > However, do write your thinking process. That will help one figure out> where you are going away or your confusion.> >  > > Well Done.> >  > > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> >  > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan> dtimingevents] On Behalf Of devisigh> > Thursday November 5, 2009 6:42 AM> > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com> > Re: [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Practice Chart> >  > >  > > > > > > > > Dear All;> > > > My first attempt using KAS rules/techniques only> > > > 7th house marriage:> > selecting Mo main Dasha which is with FK Ve for 7th house> > Su and Ju seems significator from ws points for 7th house> > other planets aspects 7th house i left them> > Su is with Me which is 6th load makes Su samdharmi to 6th lord i left that> > Ju having highest points and also LoE> > now considering Ju only as strong significator which in RK and NRK and> natural samdharmi to Mo which is LoD.> > Ju does not have sight on A/B/C and is LoE can gives results> > > > Thinking for samdharmi of Ju> > in navamsa Ju is with Ra ...makes Ju and Ra samdharmi > > Ra can be thought to facilitate results for 7th house matters .......still> this takes time for me to finalize> > > > ------------ ------ > > Regards, > > Devisingh> > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > >  > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji,> > > > You are correct. It was a typo. It was good that I gave the degree of all> planets so this mistake could be checked right in the begining.> > > > Thanks Nikhlesh ji.> > > > The date should be May 24th.> > > > 24th May 1979> > 4:10 AM> > 28N40> > 77E13> > > > Sorry about that.> > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "nikhlesh mathur"> <nikhleshmathur@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > Sub: 24th Feb 1979, 4.10 am, 28.N.40, 77.E.13> > > Dear Ash ji,> > > > > > You said that Su is 9Ta31 for the above native. But a person born on the> month of Feb cannot have his Sun in Taurus sign. It should be in Aquarius at> this time.> > > > > > If other things are okay then I think the birth date is 24th May.> > > > > > Please confirm.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Nikhlesh Mathur> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:47:29 +0530 wrote> > > >> > > > > > Add to> > > this.> > > > > > > > > 6) When> > > can the native face health problems?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash's Corner@ [kas@] > > > Monday October 26, 2009> > > 12:18 AM> > > To:> > > 'astrologyandtiming events@grou ps.com'> > > Practice Chart> > > > > > > > > Dear> > > Group,> > > > > > > > > > > > This> > > lady has been posting charts in various lists for many years now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is> > > the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > 24th> > > Feb 1979> > > > > > 4:10 AM> > > > > > 28N40> > > > > > 77E13> > > > > > > > > > > > From> > > what I gather, she had an affair or liked some guy that she wanted to> > > marry. I am not clear from her posts> > > that if she married the same guy or not.> > > Her parents were looking out for some proposals for her.> > > > > > > > > > > > If this> > > chart came blindly to you, can you predict the following.> > > > > > > > > > > > 1)> > > Marriage> > > > > > 2)> > > Child birth> > > > > > 3)> > > Marital Relations overall> > > > > > 4)> > > She has been complaining that relations are bad after marriage and> > > asked if she should go for divorce.> > > > > > 5)> > > Why she had affair or what are the yogs for that in this chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet> > > > > > > > > Degrees> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As> > > > > > > > > 15 Ar 55> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Su> > > > > > > > > 9 Ta 31> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo> > > > > > > > > 13 Ar 48> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma> > > > > > > > > 13 Ar 8> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me> > > > > > > > > 2 Ta 15> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju> > > > > > > > > 11 Cn 16> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve> > > > > > > > > 14 Ar 30> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa> > > > > > > > > 14 Le 35> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra> > > > > > > > > 20 Le 59> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke> > > > > > > > > 20 Aq 59> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > >> >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 11.11.09 Sub: Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55 Dear Shalini ji, The word ‘Affair’ usually means having a love affair before marriage. When it is after marriage it is normally called ‘Extra-marital affair’. So we are clear in this lady’s chart that she had an affair BEFORE marriage, which is also quite obvious from her chart. Please refer to KAS chapter no. 14 for a detailed study of such matter. 1. When Venus is aspected by Saturn or by Rahu or is placed with them then a person gets opportunities to be acquainted with people of opposite sex as a result of attraction. 2. When the lords of 4th 12th get linked to the lords of 2nd and 10th either by association or by sight, there definitely becomes a chance for love affair. Now observe her chart and see how the placements there comply with the above mentioned KAS laws. Then read further in this chapter............ A little below it says that if Mars were to have association or sight of Saturn then such a love affair would result in heart-break. Reading further it also gives us some more principles about the reasons for discontinuance of relationships (zero points of Mars in certain houses). Now when affairs are indicated in a chart it does not necessarily mean having a love marriage. Sure, there is no breakage obvious in this chart. But of all things affairs can be one-sided also. If it is strongly one sided it might not result in marriage and neither at that time it will be technically called a ‘Breakage of affair’. So then we will have to look whether this native had a ‘Love marriage or not. This is really difficult according to me because in these days, mostly in very traditional families in India the ‘Love marriages’ are promoted and conducted as ‘Arranged’ marriages (even with other caste’s persons also). Advertisements for matrimonial is a testimony to this. So, one would not really know unless one hears straight from the horses’ mouth. However, there are permutations and combinations in a chart which show marriages being actually ‘love marriages’ . Coming back to this chart I am unable to see breakage of affairs in her chart and at the same time it shows love affairs, so I thought that she must have had love marriage. Here frankly speaking I am not clear about the Blessings part. Incase of blessings the Father would agree for the marriage instantly and in absence of blessings may be the mission gets accomplished only during the antra of a very strong plus conducive planet. The information here is that her parents were searching for a groom for her. So may be some clue lies here. I am not being able to pick it up cleanly, but I am trying. My comments against her Rahu antra also said, as were your comments, that Rahu being Venus (i.e. representing it more) and Venus being weaker for 7th plus information to analyzers about her marital happiness......all these point’s marriage in Rahu antra. Can we theoretically focus on the opposite of it now, i.e. why Rahu antra cannot give marriage? Shalini ji, can you give us some clues to keep our minds ringing on this study? Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:00:36 +0530 wrote Dear Nikhlesh Ji and Respected group Members, Did I misunderstand "affairs"? I have taken it to mean affairs after marriage. Re-reading Ash Ji's original post: From what I gather, she had an affair or liked some guy that she wanted to marry. I am not clear from her posts that if she married the same guy or not. Her parents were looking out for some proposals for her.5) Why she had affair or what are the yogs for that in this chart. If the affair meaning affair before marriage then Rahu can give her marriage and I believe Rahu is positioned to give her a love marriage. However, then on point 4)She has been complaining that relations are bad after marriage and asked if she should go for divorce. If Rahu gave her marriage then she has been married for two years +/- considering marriage took place in third sector of Rahu antra. Then it would seem that right after then she would have had to feel the marriage is not working out for her. I look forward to your/group thoughts and insight. With Kind Regards, Shalini , "shalini" wrote: > > Dear Nikhlesh Ji and Respected group Members, > > You are right that Rahu is a great contender for marriage as it acts more like Venus who has low power for 7H and 12h, but high for 5h. > > Then when could her affair have began? > For 5h as HB Jupiter is LoA, LoC in 12h from HB with 5 bindus. I believe when an antra is in 12h from HB with more bindus it cannot give results for HB. Then there is Saturn who is LoE in HB and has good/high points for 5h,12h,7h. We are also thinking that her health problems begin from this antra due to conception/childbirth. Look forward to your thoughts. With Kind Regards, Shalini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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