Practice chart

November 2, 2009

Analysis (Prac-nm/1) date 02.11.09.

Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55

Dear Group,

Let me attempt the marrige the affair part first.

I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs.

Marriage:

1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 17th Sept 2005

2. Ju delay : No Ju delay.

3. Blessings : No Blessings in the chart.I think lords of 1st and 9th of D-9 are not taken for blessings consideration. Yes, lords of 1st 9th if they make 5:9 in D-9 chart then it would be called a Blessed chart.

4. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts).

Then also out of Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life.

5. FK NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra.

6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both of high power for 7th house.

7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Mars 2nd sector in Moon MD (July 05 to Feb 06).

8. Now Mars has aspect on house B in both Natal and Navansh so it wonâ€™t give marriage in its marriage and will cause a delay instead.

And Mars has also not got high points (desired >20). It has only 12 points so inspite of it wanting to give the result, it is not capable enough to do so.

Yes, here Ma is SD of powerful LoE Moon and neither Ma nor Mo is afflicted by 6th lord. Both are NSD also.

Therefore Mo may like to depute Ma to give the result of 7th house as soon as the Sa delay was over. But Ma is not powerful enough to accomplish the event.

May be during its AD the lady could muster enough courage to speak to elders about her marriage but it did not eventually materialize or may be her parents set a match for her during that time, which she refused owing to being in love with someone at that time.

9. Rahu AD acts from Feb 06 to Aug 07.

Ra represents Ve more and Su lesser. Ve is aspected by Rahu and has low power for 7th house. Ve is weak for 7th house and would give unhappy marriage if it took place in the AD of Rahu.

One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. If unhappiness is seen in her chart then most probably she got marriage in Ra AD (Feb 06 to Aug 07). When marriage is unhappy then it is usually performed in the sub period of the significator planet which has low points. Here Ve is significator for marriage but has low points for 7th house.

10. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws.

Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are:

1. Aspect of Ra on Ve.

2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair .

Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju casues problems for Ve.

The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve.

Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa.

So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage.

Analysis of other questions, I would try later please.

Conclusion:

1. Marriage possibly during Ra AD (Feb 06 to Aug 07).

2. Should be a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above.

3. Marital relations : Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce.

Regards,

Nikhlesh Mathur

Ash's Corner [kas]

Monday October 26, 2009

12:18 AM

To:

' '

Practice Chart

Dear

Group,

This

lady has been posting charts in various lists for many years now.

Here is

the chart

24th

May 1979

4:10 AM

28N40

77E13

From

what I gather, she had an affair or liked some guy that she wanted to

marry. I am not clear from her posts

that if she married the same guy or not.

Her parents were looking out for some proposals for her.

If this

chart came blindly to you, can you predict the following.

1)

Marriage

2)

Child birth

3)

Marital Relations overall

4)

She has been complaining that relations are bad after marriage and

asked if she should go for divorce.

5)

Why she had affair or what are the yogs for that in this chart.

Planet

Degrees

As

15 Ar 55

Su

9 Ta 31

Mo

13 Ar 48

Ma

13 Ar 8

Me

2 Ta 15

Ju

11 Cn 16

Ve

14 Ar 30

Sa

14 Le 35

Ra

20 Le 59

Ke

20 Aq 59

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

November 2, 2009

Analysis (Prac-nm/1) date 02.11.09.

Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55

Dear Group,

Let me attempt the marrige the affair part first.

I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs.

Marriage:

1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 17th Sept 2005

2. Ju delay : No Ju delay.

3. Blessings : No Blessings in the chart.I think lords of 1st and 9th of D-9 are not taken for blessings consideration. Yes, lords of 1st 9th if they make 5:9 in D-9 chart then it would be called a Blessed chart.

4. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts).

Then also out of Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life.

5. FK NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra.

6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both of high power for 7th house.

7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Mars 2nd sector in Moon MD (July 05 to Feb 06).

8. Now Mars has aspect on house B in both Natal and Navansh so it wonâ€™t give marriage in its marriage and will cause a delay instead.

And Mars has also not got high points (desired >20). It has only 12 points so inspite of it wanting to give the result, it is not capable enough to do so.

Yes, here Ma is SD of powerful LoE Moon and neither Ma nor Mo is afflicted by 6th lord. Both are NSD also.

Therefore Mo may like to depute Ma to give the result of 7th house as soon as the Sa delay was over. But Ma is not powerful enough to accomplish the event.

May be during its AD the lady could muster enough courage to speak to elders about her marriage but it did not eventually materialize or may be her parents set a match for her during that time, which she refused owing to being in love with someone at that time.

9. Rahu AD acts from Feb 06 to Aug 07.

Ra represents Ve more and Su lesser. Ve is aspected by Rahu and has low power for 7th house. Ve is weak for 7th house and would give unhappy marriage if it took place in the AD of Rahu.

One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. If unhappiness is seen in her chart then most probably she got marriage in Ra AD (Feb 06 to Aug 07). When marriage is unhappy then it is usually performed in the sub period of the significator planet which has low points. Here Ve is significator for marriage but has low points for 7th house.

10. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws.

Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are:

1. Aspect of Ra on Ve.

2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair .

Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju casues problems for Ve.

The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve.

Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa.

So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage.

Analysis of other questions, I would try later please.

Conclusion:

1. Marriage possibly during Ra AD (Feb 06 to Aug 07).

2. Should be a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above.

3. Marital relations : Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce.

Regards,

Nikhlesh Mathur

Ash's Corner [kas]

Monday October 26, 2009

12:18 AM

To:

' '

Practice Chart

Dear

Group,

This

lady has been posting charts in various lists for many years now.

Here is

the chart

24th

Feb 1979

4:10 AM

28N40

77E13

From

what I gather, she had an affair or liked some guy that she wanted to

marry. I am not clear from her posts

that if she married the same guy or not.

Her parents were looking out for some proposals for her.

If this

chart came blindly to you, can you predict the following.

1)

Marriage

2)

Child birth

3)

Marital Relations overall

4)

She has been complaining that relations are bad after marriage and

asked if she should go for divorce.

5)

Why she had affair or what are the yogs for that in this chart.

Planet

Degrees

As

15 Ar 55

Su

9 Ta 31

Mo

13 Ar 48

Ma

13 Ar 8

Me

2 Ta 15

Ju

11 Cn 16

Ve

14 Ar 30

Sa

14 Le 35

Ra

20 Le 59

Ke

20 Aq 59

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

November 4, 2009

MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09.

Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55

Dear Group,

The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time in as many days.

In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period Sept 04 to Dec 04.

However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the Ge sign (Gemini).

Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves forward only and does not go back into Gemini.

Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005.

The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt.

The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005.

So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July 2005.

I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage date of this lady.

Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt.

Thanks to Ash ji ........

Regards,

Nikhlesh Mathur

Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the funda on Sa delay.

I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs.

Marriage:

1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign.

2. Ju delay : No Ju delay.

3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination.

3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts).

Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life.

5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra.

6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house.

7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end.

Soon after Mo â€“ Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th house (26 points).

Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high points here.

There are no zeroâ€™s in the chart.

So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04).

One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce.

The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and badly afflicted also.

Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak for her 7th house.

The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with her.

And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for unhappiness in marital life.

8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws.

Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are:

1. Aspect of Ra on Ve.

2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair .

Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower.

The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve.

Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa.

So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage.

Analysis of other questions, I would try later please.

Conclusion:

1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04).

2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above.

3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce.

Regards,

Nikhlesh Mathur

November 4, 2009

Dear Nikhlesh ji,

A technical correction:

Moon can never control any planet. That is why in WS we do not add power even

if Mo makes 4:10 with any planet.

Moon is a very gentle planet and can never boss around (4:10).

I am interested to see Bella ji's thoughts, this discussion in getting

excellent.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, " nikhlesh mathur "

<nikhleshmathur wrote:

>

> Analysis (Prac-nm/4) date 04.11.09.

>

> Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13,

Asc 15Ar55

>

> Dear Bella ji,

>

> I thank you for your prompt mails as they have really set the

ball rolling for positive discussions on the chart.

>

> Our seniors have already corrected us on few points which shall go a long way

in our education. I feel we are all in the same class and the Masters are

allowing us to discuss and and the same time keeping an eye on us (perhaps,

without a cane in their hands).

>

> I wish to further discuss, without the fear of our Masters, the points nicely

elucidated by you.

>

> 1. I feel that having poor marital relations does not necessarily lead to

divorce. For an event like divorce to happen it is important to study the

spouseâ€™s chart also which we do not have it here. It is difficult to judge the

same from chart of a single person until of course the indications are very

strong. This chart does not have strong indications for divorce.

>

> 2. In this chart there is no doubt that marital unhappiness is seen clearly

but again for the divorce to happen it would take 2 or more strong factors

(Lesson 12) to have their effects on the native.

>

> 3. The psychology of the native would also play a significant role in

stressing for a condition like divorce (more for Indian females). We see here

that this lady does not have high ashtakvarg points for her 1st house. So she

can never be rudely adamant. Next, the difference between points for 1st and 7th

houses is negligible. So she might not be in a strong position to put her foot

down on all matters concerning her spouse. Further we find that the points for

houses 3,6,10, 11 are not exactly in rising order. That does not make her a

person who goes hammer and tongs in all situations for all sorts of endeavors

(mostly of professional kinds).

>

> 4. So what I visualize about her is that she would complain, she would resist,

she would harp on minor issues, she would cry foul, she would want to have her

way BUT having said this she would never be able to sustain (or carry on) her so

called fight. Her 3rd lord is placed 12th from 3rd house reducing her courage

and will power. That is what I feel when I try to study her personality from her

chart.

>

> 5. Now see the points for her 7th houses. All planets except Venus are strong

for 7th house. That generally does not indicate separation.

>

> 6. Now let me come to your justification factors. You said Ve is 12th from its

own house (2nd house). So this will reduce the effects of the 2nd house

(relationships with other people, wealth accumulation, voicing the words etc).

That Ve is 12th from 2nd house does not, I think, spoil the marriage to the tune

of divorce. However Ve being Karak and spoilt would cause unhappiness in

marriage. There is a difference in these two facets.

>

> 7. The 6th lord in House A will tend to be a spoils-sport for matters related

to the 2nd house as said above. Had it been in the 7th house then of course we

would have said that it will hamper married life in some way. Me is not karak

for marriage here. By being in 2nd house (house A) it would rather facilitate

marriage, albeit in a problematic manner, owing to it being 6th lord.

>

> 8. You have somewhere mentioned that Sa has 8th aspect on Su in Navansh.

Saturn does not have 8th aspect at all. It has only 3rd, 7th and 10th aspects.

So it aspects Sun in the natal chart. Sa does not aspect Moon in this chart.

>

> 9. Ju, the root karak for marriage is very strong for 7th house and 12th

house. Her Ju is controlled by Moon (4:10 relationship where Ju is SD to Moon).

Moon represents mind and is strong for 7th house (26 points) and so she would

tend to think from her mind (not from heart). That is, the root karak for

marriage is controlled by mind (Moon) which is good for the 7th house (high

points). So that would not lead to divorce, I think.

>

> 10. This lady, according to me would have good chances of professional

development, higher income during the AD of Sa (Dec 08 to July 2010). She may

have opportunities to go abroad and that might be a reason for a temporary

separation. I feel a foreign trip might come her way in the AD of Me. But this

is not that separation for which we are discussing here.

>

> 11. So what I conclude is:

>

> i) This chart does not comply with 2 or more parameters which indicate divorce

/ breakage. So that is not seen as per me.

>

> ii) Yes, the chart shows disputes with spouse which is resulting in

unhappiness in married life. Professional reasons should be more prominent here

for creating the marital disputes.

>

> Regards,

> Nikhlesh Mathur

>

> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:58:50 +0530 wrote

> >

> Dear Nikhlesh ji,

>

> I will be glad to discuss this point with you from my

> viewpoint. Again please correct me if I am wrong.

>

> Why I see Separation or Divorce:

>

> First, marriage quality is very very poor from Asc, Su Mo

> Ve and Ma and 7th lord relationship which is zero. I think 1:1 relationship is

> similar to 2:12 She might always have disputes with spouse.

>

> Ve is NK and FK in 12th from it's own hs.

> Me 6th Lo is in Hs A. karak for marriage. Ve is lord of

> 2nd and 7thand 6th Lo being in this Hs spoils

> theoverallresult.

> Now this Ve is with Ma in Rasi and with Sa in navamsa

> which enhances the neagtive aspect of Ve. Sa also aspects the luminaries. Sa

> conjoins Mo and has the 8th aspect to Su in navamsa.

>

> Now with that said, Ve is not sopilt by Su/Ve distance or

> Ve is not in Su nakshatra, But Ve is spoilt due to the above given reasons

which

> will give it's negative effect to the result, enhancing

> the bad qualities.

>

> Ju is NRK and FRKin Li navamsa. This Ju is spoilt.

> Again it is with Ra and in 2nd Hs in navamsa.

>

> So from this I am concluding tha if the quality is poor

> and the karaks spoilt then even though the event will happen but will cause a

> break or separation.

>

> Here is a quote from one of the messages from dear Ash

> ji's email that I have saved with my reference notes. I am sorry I donot have

> the message number for this but here it is:

>

> "

> Now for divorce to happen, there must be some yogs in the chart for example as

> per KAS we check Ju in libra or say Ve is in krittika or Ve to Sun distance is

> more than 43deg20 and such a Venus is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects

> luminary or if Sun to Venus distance is less than 3deg20 and Ve is aspected by

> Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary, or Ve in nakshtra of Sun worst being in

> krittika, Venus being in aadra, mula, jayeshta, Ju being 6th lord and

> in lagna or even Ju with less than 4 bindus placed in 7th house, or

> Ju in lagna also plays a part in divorce and particularly it its 6th

> lord and aspects 2nd lord and 7th house or 7th

> lord in rasi or navamsa.

> Then

> for disputes we check lagna, su, mo, ve and ma and their 7th lords if

> they are in 6:8 or 2:12 then more chances of divorce.

> These

> are some of the laws. "

>

> This was my view point on Separation or break in this

> chart.

>

> Now Timing:

>

> I was seeing Sa antra because Ve being samdharmi to Sa and

> also Me being 6th Lo is in 4:10 with Sa.

> But,

>

> Thank you Nikhlesh ji, for bringing out to my attention

> that samdharmi planets act for better results.

> Therefore Sa antra cannot break the

> relationship.

>

> Now, keeping that in mind, I think break could still be

> possible during the antra after Sa which is Me because of Me being 6th Lo in

2nd

> Hs. which is Jun 2010 - Nov 2011.

>

> This is what I think. Nikhlesh ji please feel free to

> comment on my thoughts.

>

> Thank you,

> -Bella.

>

November 4, 2009

ï»¿

Dear Nikhlesh ji,

Thank you for the discussion on this chart.

I have a little hectic day at work today but, I will definately get back with you as SOON as I can:)

I do appreciate your inputs. They are very valuable for me to learn. There is vast knowledge hidden from our seniors and gurus in more than 20,000 plus emails. It is hard to grasp all at one time but discussion like this does help us to think more.

Thanks again,

-Bella.

-

nikhlesh mathur

chandni_99

Cc:

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:04 AM

Re: RE: Practice Chart

Analysis (Prac-nm/4) date 04.11.09.Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55Dear Bella ji,I thank you for your prompt mails as they have really set the ball rolling for positive discussions on the chart. Our seniors have already corrected us on few points which shall go a long way in our education. I feel we are all in the same class and the Masters are allowing us to discuss and and the same time keeping an eye on us (perhaps, without a cane in their hands).I wish to further discuss, without the fear of our Masters, the points nicely elucidated by you.1. I feel that having poor marital relations does not necessarily lead to divorce. For an event like divorce to happen it is important to study the spouseâ€™s chart also which we do not have it here. It is difficult to judge the same from chart of a single person until of course the indications are very strong. This chart does not have strong indications for divorce.2. In this chart there is no doubt that marital unhappiness is seen clearly but again for the divorce to happen it would take 2 or more strong factors (Lesson 12) to have their effects on the native.3. The psychology of the native would also play a significant role in stressing for a condition like divorce (more for Indian females). We see here that this lady does not have high ashtakvarg points for her 1st house. So she can never be rudely adamant. Next, the difference between points for 1st and 7th houses is negligible. So she might not be in a strong position to put her foot down on all matters concerning her spouse. Further we find that the points for houses 3,6,10, 11 are not exactly in rising order. That does not make her a person who goes hammer and tongs in all situations for all sorts of endeavors (mostly of professional kinds). 4. So what I visualize about her is that she would complain, she would resist, she would harp on minor issues, she would cry foul, she would want to have her way BUT having said this she would never be able to sustain (or carry on) her so called fight. Her 3rd lord is placed 12th from 3rd house reducing her courage and will power. That is what I feel when I try to study her personality from her chart.5. Now see the points for her 7th houses. All planets except Venus are strong for 7th house. That generally does not indicate separation.6. Now let me come to your justification factors. You said Ve is 12th from its own house (2nd house). So this will reduce the effects of the 2nd house (relationships with other people, wealth accumulation, voicing the words etc). That Ve is 12th from 2nd house does not, I think, spoil the marriage to the tune of divorce. However Ve being Karak and spoilt would cause unhappiness in marriage. There is a difference in these two facets.7. The 6th lord in House A will tend to be a spoils-sport for matters related to the 2nd house as said above. Had it been in the 7th house then of course we would have said that it will hamper married life in some way. Me is not karak for marriage here. By being in 2nd house (house A) it would rather facilitate marriage, albeit in a problematic manner, owing to it being 6th lord.8. You have somewhere mentioned that Sa has 8th aspect on Su in Navansh. Saturn does not have 8th aspect at all. It has only 3rd, 7th and 10th aspects. So it aspects Sun in the natal chart. Sa does not aspect Moon in this chart.9. Ju, the root karak for marriage is very strong for 7th house and 12th house. Her Ju is controlled by Moon (4:10 relationship where Ju is SD to Moon). Moon represents mind and is strong for 7th house (26 points) and so she would tend to think from her mind (not from heart). That is, the root karak for marriage is controlled by mind (Moon) which is good for the 7th house (high points). So that would not lead to divorce, I think.10. This lady, according to me would have good chances of professional development, higher income during the AD of Sa (Dec 08 to July 2010). She may have opportunities to go abroad and that might be a reason for a temporary separation. I feel a foreign trip might come her way in the AD of Me. But this is not that separation for which we are discussing here.11. So what I conclude is:i) This chart does not comply with 2 or more parameters which indicate divorce / breakage. So that is not seen as per me.ii) Yes, the chart shows disputes with spouse which is resulting in unhappiness in married life. Professional reasons should be more prominent here for creating the marital disputes.Regards,Nikhlesh MathurOn Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:58:50 +0530 wrote>Dear Nikhlesh ji,I will be glad to discuss this point with you from my viewpoint. Again please correct me if I am wrong.Why I see Separation or Divorce:First, marriage quality is very very poor from Asc, Su Mo Ve and Ma and 7th lord relationship which is zero. I think 1:1 relationship is similar to 2:12 She might always have disputes with spouse.Ve is NK and FK in 12th from it's own hs. Me 6th Lo is in Hs A. karak for marriage. Ve is lord of 2nd and 7thand 6th Lo being in this Hs spoils theoverallresult. Now this Ve is with Ma in Rasi and with Sa in navamsa which enhances the neagtive aspect of Ve. Sa also aspects the luminaries. Sa conjoins Mo and has the 8th aspect to Su in navamsa.Now with that said, Ve is not sopilt by Su/Ve distance or Ve is not in Su nakshatra, But Ve is spoilt due to the above given reasons which will give it's negative effect to the result, enhancing the bad qualities.Ju is NRK and FRKin Li navamsa. This Ju is spoilt. Again it is with Ra and in 2nd Hs in navamsa.So from this I am concluding tha if the quality is poor and the karaks spoilt then even though the event will happen but will cause a break or separation.Here is a quote from one of the messages from dear Ash ji's email that I have saved with my reference notes. I am sorry I donot have the message number for this but here it is:" Now for divorce to happen, there must be some yogs in the chart for example as per KAS we check Ju in libra or say Ve is in krittika or Ve to Sun distance is more than 43deg20 and such a Venus is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary or if Sun to Venus distance is less than 3deg20 and Ve is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary, or Ve in nakshtra of Sun worst being in krittika, Venus being in aadra, mula, jayeshta, Ju being 6th lord and in lagna or even Ju with less than 4 bindus placed in 7th house, or Ju in lagna also plays a part in divorce and particularly it its 6th lord and aspects 2nd lord and 7th house or 7th lord in rasi or navamsa.Then for disputes we check lagna, su, mo, ve and ma and their 7th lords if they are in 6:8 or 2:12 then more chances of divorce.These are some of the laws."This was my view point on Separation or break in this chart.Now Timing:I was seeing Sa antra because Ve being samdharmi to Sa and also Me being 6th Lo is in 4:10 with Sa.But,Thank you Nikhlesh ji, for bringing out to my attention that samdharmi planets act for better results.Therefore Sa antra cannot break the relationship.Now, keeping that in mind, I think break could still be possible during the antra after Sa which is Me because of Me being 6th Lo in 2nd Hs. which is Jun 2010 - Nov 2011.This is what I think. Nikhlesh ji please feel free to comment on my thoughts.Thank you,-Bella.

November 4, 2009

Dear Nikhlesh ji,

On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as you

need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to

channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the

various angles.

Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely benefit.

On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select differnt

antras as well.

If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u feel

comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as well

and give your chain of thought.

For example

Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does not

happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to

ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not happen,

then next comes .......

Summary

Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason then

xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz

reason...

On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up will

become more clear.

I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some help in

clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can note

down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and give

the reason.

So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra can /

cannot give.

I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than

focussing on the final date of marriage and other events.

I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after delay and

then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to why or

why not is the event possible.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, " nikhlesh mathur "

<nikhleshmathur wrote:

>

> MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09.

>

> Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13,

Asc 15Ar55

>

> Dear Group,

>

> The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the

retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time

in as many days.

>

> In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period

Sept 04 to Dec 04.

>

> However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the

Ge sign (Gemini).

>

> Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves

forward only and does not go back into Gemini.

>

> Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005.

>

> The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the

marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt.

>

> The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005.

>

> So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July

2005.

>

> I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage

date of this lady.

>

> Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt.

>

> Thanks to Ash ji ........

>

> Regards,

> Nikhlesh Mathur

>

> Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the

funda on Sa delay.

> I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs.

>

> Marriage:

>

> 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters.

The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign.

>

> 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay.

>

> 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord

of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination.

>

> 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae

(relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9

charts).

>

> Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more

than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life.

>

> 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra.

>

> 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house.

>

> 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end.

>

> Soon after Mo â€ " Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th

house (26 points).

>

> Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high

points here.

>

> There are no zeroâ€™s in the chart.

>

> So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector

itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04).

>

> One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even

asking if she could go for divorce.

>

> The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and

badly afflicted also.

>

> Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak

for her 7th house.

>

> The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got

married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in

high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with

her.

>

> And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for

unhappiness in marital life.

>

> 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness.

The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws.

>

> Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are:

>

> 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve.

>

> 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju

here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then

it promotes an affair .

>

> Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would

cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower.

>

> The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve.

> Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa.

>

> So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must

have had love marriage.

>

> Analysis of other questions, I would try later please.

>

> Conclusion:

>

> 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04).

> 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above.

> 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce.

>

> Regards,

> Nikhlesh Mathur

>

November 4, 2009

Dear Ash Ji,

The area I was seeking confirmation with was Saturn delay and when it is over.

The reason being because in the chart that was deemed quiz 1 recently by Hussein

Ji, in this chart some members were calculating Saturn delay when it first

enters the sign, however in the archives it is mentioned repeatedly that when

Saturn returns after retrograding is when Saturn delay is over. Since the member

was not corrected is only why I asked. I am a new student still learning from

the archives and the lessons therefore, if a senior member is not correcting

these kinds of things it could confuse a beginner. As it turned out you did

eventually have to clear this point in a recent post.

With Kind Regards,

Shalini

, " ashsam73 " <kas wrote:

>

> Dear Nikhlesh ji,

>

> On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as you

need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to

channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the

various angles.

>

> Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely benefit.

>

> On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select differnt

antras as well.

>

> If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u feel

comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as well

and give your chain of thought.

>

> For example

>

> Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does not

happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to

> ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not happen,

then next comes .......

>

> Summary

>

> Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason then

>

> xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz

reason...

>

> On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up will

become more clear.

>

> I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some help

in clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can note

down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and give

the reason.

>

> So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra can /

cannot give.

>

> I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than

focussing on the final date of marriage and other events.

>

> I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after delay

and then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to why

or why not is the event possible.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> , " nikhlesh mathur "

<nikhleshmathur@> wrote:

> >

> > MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09.

> >

> > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13,

Asc 15Ar55

> >

> > Dear Group,

> >

> > The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the

retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time

in as many days.

> >

> > In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period

Sept 04 to Dec 04.

> >

> > However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the

Ge sign (Gemini).

> >

> > Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves

forward only and does not go back into Gemini.

> >

> > Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005.

> >

> > The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the

marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt.

> >

> > The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005.

> >

> > So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th

July 2005.

> >

> > I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage

date of this lady.

> >

> > Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt.

> >

> > Thanks to Ash ji ........

> >

> > Regards,

> > Nikhlesh Mathur

> >

> > Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the

funda on Sa delay.

> > I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs.

> >

> > Marriage:

> >

> > 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house

matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign.

> >

> > 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay.

> >

> > 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord

of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination.

> >

> > 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae

(relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9

charts).

> >

> > Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more

than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life.

> >

> > 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra.

> >

> > 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house.

> >

> > 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end.

> >

> > Soon after Mo â€ " Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th

house (26 points).

> >

> > Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high

points here.

> >

> > There are no zeroâ€™s in the chart.

> >

> > So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector

itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04).

> >

> > One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even

asking if she could go for divorce.

> >

> > The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house

and badly afflicted also.

> >

> > Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is

weak for her 7th house.

> >

> > The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have

got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in

high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with

her.

> >

> > And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for

unhappiness in marital life.

> >

> > 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness.

The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws.

> >

> > Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are:

> >

> > 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve.

> >

> > 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th

(Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here)

then it promotes an affair .

> >

> > Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju

would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower.

> >

> > The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve.

> > Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa.

> >

> > So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady

must have had love marriage.

> >

> > Analysis of other questions, I would try later please.

> >

> > Conclusion:

> >

> > 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04).

> > 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above.

> > 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to

divorce.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Nikhlesh Mathur

> >

>

November 4, 2009

Dear Shalini ji,

Your facts are incorrect. I have written about this point and it must be in the

archives about taking the final entry of Saturn. You can search this point / my

mail in the archives.

Its just that the participants had overlooked this point and hence I pointed

this out specifically.

Your questions to me are more spoon feeding type questions. All these things

have been discussed and the reason for this Quiz is so that one can get a

concrete example to study and brush up the basics.

I mean its a given, that the participants will take the pains to hash out and

discuss amongths themselves and bring out posts like Bella ji did when

discussing with Nikhlesh ji and then hashing out the points.

Your questions are lacking the effort trying to do searches in the archives nor

trying to discuss with members who can help you. You are not taking any

practical examples either to demonstrate the point.

I would have appreciated it more if you had a chart and if Ju was 6th lord and

in star of LoA or LoB and it was causing some delay then u could discuss that

point to get the deeper understanding of the same. Otherwise Ju's delay has

been discussed at length and opinions have been given. The lesson is a

guideline but its also said that Ju's delay is very dicey to decipher. All the

senior members have been tasked with taking time to study this in several

charts.

You can see Ramesh ji's mails where how he is considering or not considering

ju's delay. It is not easy, a lot of judgement has to go into finding delay of

Ju. Saturn's delay is easier as its a natural delay causing planet and a

natural malefic. Ju is not so. Ju is also natural rook karak........... there

is so much.. but unfortunately i am out of time.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, " shalini " <shalini3004

wrote:

>

> Dear Ash Ji,

>

> The area I was seeking confirmation with was Saturn delay and when it is over.

The reason being because in the chart that was deemed quiz 1 recently by Hussein

Ji, in this chart some members were calculating Saturn delay when it first

enters the sign, however in the archives it is mentioned repeatedly that when

Saturn returns after retrograding is when Saturn delay is over. Since the member

was not corrected is only why I asked. I am a new student still learning from

the archives and the lessons therefore, if a senior member is not correcting

these kinds of things it could confuse a beginner. As it turned out you did

eventually have to clear this point in a recent post.

>

> With Kind Regards,

>

> Shalini

>

> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nikhlesh ji,

> >

> > On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as you

need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to

channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the

various angles.

> >

> > Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely

benefit.

> >

> > On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select differnt

antras as well.

> >

> > If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u feel

comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as well

and give your chain of thought.

> >

> > For example

> >

> > Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does not

happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to

> > ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not happen,

then next comes .......

> >

> > Summary

> >

> > Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason

then

> >

> > xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz

reason...

> >

> > On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up

will become more clear.

> >

> > I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some

help in clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can

note down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and

give the reason.

> >

> > So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra can

/ cannot give.

> >

> > I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than

focussing on the final date of marriage and other events.

> >

> > I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after delay

and then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to why

or why not is the event possible.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > , " nikhlesh mathur "

<nikhleshmathur@> wrote:

> > >

> > > MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09.

> > >

> > > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40;

77E13, Asc 15Ar55

> > >

> > > Dear Group,

> > >

> > > The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the

retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time

in as many days.

> > >

> > > In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the

period Sept 04 to Dec 04.

> > >

> > > However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into

the Ge sign (Gemini).

> > >

> > > Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves

forward only and does not go back into Gemini.

> > >

> > > Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005.

> > >

> > > The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the

marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt.

> > >

> > > The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005.

> > >

> > > So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th

July 2005.

> > >

> > > I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage

date of this lady.

> > >

> > > Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt.

> > >

> > > Thanks to Ash ji ........

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Nikhlesh Mathur

> > >

> > > Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the

funda on Sa delay.

> > > I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs.

> > >

> > > Marriage:

> > >

> > > 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house

matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign.

> > >

> > > 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay.

> > >

> > > 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the

lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination.

> > >

> > > 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae

(relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9

charts).

> > >

> > > Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more

than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life.

> > >

> > > 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra.

> > >

> > > 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house.

> > >

> > > 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end.

> > >

> > > Soon after Mo â€ " Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th

house (26 points).

> > >

> > > Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high

points here.

> > >

> > > There are no zeroâ€™s in the chart.

> > >

> > > So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector

itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04).

> > >

> > > One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even

asking if she could go for divorce.

> > >

> > > The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house

and badly afflicted also.

> > >

> > > Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is

weak for her 7th house.

> > >

> > > The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have

got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in

high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with

her.

> > >

> > > And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for

unhappiness in marital life.

> > >

> > > 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital

unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS

laws.

> > >

> > > Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are:

> > >

> > > 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve.

> > >

> > > 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th

(Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here)

then it promotes an affair .

> > >

> > > Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju

would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower.

> > >

> > > The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve.

> > > Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa.

> > >

> > > So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady

must have had love marriage.

> > >

> > > Analysis of other questions, I would try later please.

> > >

> > > Conclusion:

> > >

> > > 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04).

> > > 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above.

> > > 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to

divorce.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Nikhlesh Mathur

> > >

> >

>

November 4, 2009

Dear Shalini ji,

/message/15061

Here it has been clarified that Saturn's delay and about the retro and its final

entry.

This discussion happened on 5th May 2007.

Manu ji had written about this after Guru ji had guided us and Manu ji had

guided the list.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

, " ashsam73 " <kas wrote:

>

> Dear Shalini ji,

>

> Your facts are incorrect. I have written about this point and it must be in

the archives about taking the final entry of Saturn. You can search this point

/ my mail in the archives.

>

> Its just that the participants had overlooked this point and hence I pointed

this out specifically.

>

> Your questions to me are more spoon feeding type questions. All these things

have been discussed and the reason for this Quiz is so that one can get a

concrete example to study and brush up the basics.

>

> I mean its a given, that the participants will take the pains to hash out and

discuss amongths themselves and bring out posts like Bella ji did when

discussing with Nikhlesh ji and then hashing out the points.

>

> Your questions are lacking the effort trying to do searches in the archives

nor trying to discuss with members who can help you. You are not taking any

practical examples either to demonstrate the point.

>

> I would have appreciated it more if you had a chart and if Ju was 6th lord and

in star of LoA or LoB and it was causing some delay then u could discuss that

point to get the deeper understanding of the same. Otherwise Ju's delay has

been discussed at length and opinions have been given. The lesson is a

guideline but its also said that Ju's delay is very dicey to decipher. All the

senior members have been tasked with taking time to study this in several

charts.

>

> You can see Ramesh ji's mails where how he is considering or not considering

ju's delay. It is not easy, a lot of judgement has to go into finding delay of

Ju. Saturn's delay is easier as its a natural delay causing planet and a

natural malefic. Ju is not so. Ju is also natural rook karak........... there

is so much.. but unfortunately i am out of time.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> , " shalini " <shalini3004@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash Ji,

> >

> > The area I was seeking confirmation with was Saturn delay and when it is

over. The reason being because in the chart that was deemed quiz 1 recently by

Hussein Ji, in this chart some members were calculating Saturn delay when it

first enters the sign, however in the archives it is mentioned repeatedly that

when Saturn returns after retrograding is when Saturn delay is over. Since the

member was not corrected is only why I asked. I am a new student still learning

from the archives and the lessons therefore, if a senior member is not

correcting these kinds of things it could confuse a beginner. As it turned out

you did eventually have to clear this point in a recent post.

> >

> > With Kind Regards,

> >

> > Shalini

> >

> > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nikhlesh ji,

> > >

> > > On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as

you need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to

channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the

various angles.

> > >

> > > Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely

benefit.

> > >

> > > On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select

differnt antras as well.

> > >

> > > If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u

feel comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as

well and give your chain of thought.

> > >

> > > For example

> > >

> > > Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does

not happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to

> > > ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not

happen, then next comes .......

> > >

> > > Summary

> > >

> > > Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason

then

> > >

> > > xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz

reason...

> > >

> > > On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up

will become more clear.

> > >

> > > I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some

help in clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can

note down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and

give the reason.

> > >

> > > So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra

can / cannot give.

> > >

> > > I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than

focussing on the final date of marriage and other events.

> > >

> > > I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after

delay and then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to

why or why not is the event possible.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > >

> > > , " nikhlesh mathur "

<nikhleshmathur@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09.

> > > >

> > > > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40;

77E13, Asc 15Ar55

> > > >

> > > > Dear Group,

> > > >

> > > > The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the

retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time

in as many days.

> > > >

> > > > In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the

period Sept 04 to Dec 04.

> > > >

> > > > However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into

the Ge sign (Gemini).

> > > >

> > > > Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves

forward only and does not go back into Gemini.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005.

> > > >

> > > > The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the

marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt.

> > > >

> > > > The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005.

> > > >

> > > > So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to

4th July 2005.

> > > >

> > > > I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her

marriage date of this lady.

> > > >

> > > > Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks to Ash ji ........

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Nikhlesh Mathur

> > > >

> > > > Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing

the funda on Sa delay.

> > > > I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs.

> > > >

> > > > Marriage:

> > > >

> > > > 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house

matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay.

> > > >

> > > > 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the

lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination.

> > > >

> > > > 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae

(relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9

charts).

> > > >

> > > > Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has

more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life.

> > > >

> > > > 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra.

> > > >

> > > > 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house.

> > > >

> > > > 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end.

> > > >

> > > > Soon after Mo â€ " Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for

7th house (26 points).

> > > >

> > > > Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very

high points here.

> > > >

> > > > There are no zeroâ€™s in the chart.

> > > >

> > > > So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st

sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04).

> > > >

> > > > One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even

asking if she could go for divorce.

> > > >

> > > > The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th

house and badly afflicted also.

> > > >

> > > > Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which

is weak for her 7th house.

> > > >

> > > > The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might

have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she

married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness

associated with her.

> > > >

> > > > And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major

for unhappiness in marital life.

> > > >

> > > > 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital

unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS

laws.

> > > >

> > > > Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are:

> > > >

> > > > 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve.

> > > >

> > > > 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of

12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa

here) then it promotes an affair .

> > > >

> > > > Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju

would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower.

> > > >

> > > > The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve.

> > > > Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa.

> > > >

> > > > So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady

must have had love marriage.

> > > >

> > > > Analysis of other questions, I would try later please.

> > > >

> > > > Conclusion:

> > > >

> > > > 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04).

> > > > 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above.

> > > > 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to

divorce.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Nikhlesh Mathur

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 4, 2009

Dear Ash Ji,

I do not understand why your post is so harsh when I am not being so. I myself

have said that Saturn delay commences when saturn re-enters the sign after

retrograding I only wanted confirmation as it was not corrected when another

member had used a different date for satrun delay to be commenced for quiz 1. I

am here to learn and do not seek spoon feeding I do not believe my posts

indicate so. I am asking for clarifications only when what is in the archives is

not corrected when a members posts something different in present time.