Guest guest Report post Posted May 9, 2006 Dear Bala, Namaskar, In this chart date of child birth is not coming in line. As you said child birth took place in 1st sector of Sat antara. It means conception was in Jup antara which does not come in line. According to chart Ve is in 5th house with 7 powerful bindus. This has spoiled his 8th house . 8th house represents semens.Sat aspects Ve which is its house B. Saturn aspects house A and C also.That is why I chose 3rd sector of Sat antara and conception in Sat antara only. But here birth takes place in 1st antara and conception in Jup antara. For 12th house of conception LoD is Me and LoE is Ve. Jup is neither SD of Me nor of Ve. Jup is out of the picture for conception. Do you agree or something I am missing here ?. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra bala sosale <bsosale wrote: Dear Gita and Ramesh, Here is the answer Birth date of daughter is 24.06.1993. Native is a dentist and has his own clinic in Pune and diagnosed with Pancreatic Cancer and had last two unsuccessful attempts to remove the tumour as of last week. Regards Bala Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 9, 2006 Dear Pratap, Then it should be either in the month of Jan or Feb but not after March.Thanks for feed back.Regards. Ramesh Mishra Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria wrote: Dear Mr. Misra, Sorry. No. Wasn't in March. With Regards, Pratap aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Pratap, Namaskar, Was it first week of Mar 1968 ? Thanks and regards. Ramesh mISHRA , Pratap Kaneria wrote: > > Dear Mr. Mishra, > > Namaskar, > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in 1968. Please if you can pinpoint the month. > > With Regards, > > Pratap > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > Dear Pratap, Namaskar, > Did you marry in 1965 before November month. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > Pratap Kaneria > wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth time is rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My answers are below. > > ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Pratap, > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for us to > verify your birth time. > > Can you confirm the following. > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to do with > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or teaching or > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government and Shani > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the same. > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from India as well as US. > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 I worked as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high income and expenses. > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues / work > during > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues. > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes changed jobs > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do your own > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment ended in March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business. > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big > undertaking or started some big project. You also might have > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u might have > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless, this > period is very powerful. > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in getting a big drug manufacturing project started. > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996. > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father health wise > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon mahadasha. Mother still lives. > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > Thanks, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , Pratap Kaneria > > wrote: > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of the group. > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I volunteer my > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44. > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my marriage > date ? > > > > With Regards, > > > > Pratap > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your thoughts. > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u by sharing > > their understanding. > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can get > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support your > query, > > even better. > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many things will > > get cleared. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > --- In , " harjeet_bakshi " > > wrote: > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed approach and > > exercise, > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay caused by > zero > > is > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9 in 5:9... > but > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the following > about > > > saturn dealy: > > > e.g. > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and say its the > > lord > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be giving delay. > as i > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in rasi and > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then the delay > is > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after satrun > > reaches > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in lord of D > or E > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the time it > > reaches > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would occur in the > > 1st > > > sector itself. > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord of A, B > and C > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector after 0 degree > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring the age of > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1 and 9 are > > only > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition. > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are correct ? > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 positioning... > > does > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if jupiter is in > > libra in > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or nakshatra. > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having exactly 4 > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of rahu, venus > > etc > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen from the > > bhava or > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus of female > in > > 5th > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would be > aspecting > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > harjeet > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for picking the > > right > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more thorough ........ > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > --- In , " kaslearner " > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier and others, > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay is > nullified > > by > > > > lord > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is running > Moon > > > > antra > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could have given > > > > marriage > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered an > > additional > > > > 10% > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when the native > is > > in > > > > Sun > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy marriage in the > > chart, > > > > I > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house 7. So sun > is > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for marriage > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points in the > > > > worksheet. > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the second > > antra. > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for the wishes > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " ashsam73 " > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and List > Members, > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita it will be > > nice > > > > to > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the perfect > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many. > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > , bala > sosale > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter antra 2 > > PDF > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra and > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for getting the > > > > antra > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. Hope I > > did > > > > not > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn from > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart please > > > > analyse > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for this Native? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click > > on > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 9, 2006 Dear Ramesh and others, I think the time for conception may be inline. I dont have the chart or any details on hand. But when I recollect from my vague memory I think, Sat had 4:10 SD relationship with Su, Ma and Ju. Sat had 5 points, Su had 6 points, Ma had 4 points and Jupiter had 5 points (same as sat). Infact Bala even hinted beforehand to practice SD's for this chart. Regards Gita , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Bala, Namaskar, > In this chart date of child birth is not coming in line. As you said child birth took place in 1st sector of Sat antara. It means conception was in Jup antara which does not come in line. > According to chart Ve is in 5th house with 7 powerful bindus. This has spoiled his 8th house . 8th house represents semens.Sat aspects Ve which is its house B. Saturn aspects house A and C also.That is why I chose 3rd sector of Sat antara and conception in Sat antara only. But here birth takes place in 1st antara and conception in Jup antara. For 12th house of conception LoD is Me and LoE is Ve. Jup is neither SD of Me nor of Ve. Jup is out of the picture for conception. Do you agree or something I am missing here ?. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > bala sosale <bsosale wrote: > Dear Gita and Ramesh, > > Here is the answer > > Birth date of daughter is 24.06.1993. > > Native is a dentist and has his own clinic in Pune and diagnosed with Pancreatic > Cancer and had last two unsuccessful attempts to remove the tumour as of last > week. > > Regards > Bala > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 9, 2006 Dear Ramesh, I agree with you on all the points. if you look in the lessons .. page 162 Lesson 34 where Krushnaji says when the first and ninth lords are in 5:9 relationship, it is said that person will receive blessings for his father/Guru. Such a thing also helps in conceiving a child. Jupiter is FK and also NK for B=5 which might have given this. I also noticed during the conception time. Sun, Mer(LoD for B=12) and Jupiter was in Virgo ruled by Mercury.(October 1992) or we may have to rectfiy the chart based on the 2 events we know and the conditions of the native what he is going through.. Hope this helps Bala Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 9, 2006 Dear Ash, My marriage date is July 21, 1968. I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help. 1. I came to US in Jan 1967. 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969. 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976. 4. I bought my first home in June 1974. 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966. 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968. 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968. I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that can give accurate predictions and the principles would not change regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata and ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably thousands of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want to question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at my chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it seems to give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing that you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I should mention what I have found. Anyway thanks for your efforts, With Regards, Pratap ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pratap, With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park, however, the correct way would be to give many events of your life and in that way a person would be able to use the system. In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a happy marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your marriage might have happened after 24 years. Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th birthday i.e after nov 28th 1968. Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19 So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper between 18th nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves Ju/Ketu. So 16th Dec thru 19th Dec. Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first strong antra after delay period is over. Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07 You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, the difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months. Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range. Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the prior antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of one antra and start of the other. I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth time is in ball park. In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge the month but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will be very powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many events will start to happen when sun transits these signs and nakshtras. A good exercise. Cheers !!! Ash , Pratap Kaneria wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is approximately as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening. Then it was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have is about the time adjustment due to World War II during my birthdate. Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus ascendant than Gemini. > > With Regards, > > Pratap > > ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Pratap, > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you share that > with us please. > Thanks, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , Pratap Kaneria > > wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra, > > > > Namaskar, > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in 1968. > Please if you can pinpoint the month. > > > > With Regards, > > > > Pratap > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar, > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > Pratap Kaneria > > wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth time is > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My answers are > below. > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Pratap, > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for us to > > verify your birth time. > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to do with > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or teaching or > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government and > Shani > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the same. > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from India as > well as US. > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 I worked > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high income and > expenses. > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues / work > > during > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues. > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes changed > jobs > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do your own > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment ended in > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business. > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might have > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u might have > > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless, this > > period is very powerful. > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in getting > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996. > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father health wise > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon mahadasha. > Mother still lives. > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of the group. > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I volunteer my > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44. > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my marriage > > date ? > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your thoughts. > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u by > sharing > > > their understanding. > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can get > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support your > > query, > > > even better. > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many things > will > > > get cleared. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > --- In > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed approach > and > > > exercise, > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay caused by > > zero > > > is > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9 in > 5:9... > > but > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the following > > about > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > e.g. > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and say its > the > > > lord > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be giving delay. > > as i > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in rasi and > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then the > delay > > is > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after satrun > > > reaches > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in lord of D > > or E > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the time it > > > reaches > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would occur in > the > > > 1st > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord of A, B > > and C > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector after 0 > degree > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring the age of > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1 and 9 > are > > > only > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition. > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are correct ? > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 > positioning... > > > does > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if jupiter is in > > > libra in > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or nakshatra. > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having exactly > 4 > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of rahu, > venus > > > etc > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen from the > > > bhava or > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus of female > > in > > > 5th > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would be > > aspecting > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for picking > the > > > right > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " kaslearner " > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier and > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay is > > nullified > > > by > > > > > lord > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is running > > Moon > > > > > antra > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could have given > > > > > marriage > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered an > > > additional > > > > > 10% > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when the native > > is > > > in > > > > > Sun > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy marriage in > the > > > chart, > > > > > I > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house 7. So sun > > is > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points in the > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the second > > > antra. > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for the > wishes > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and List > > Members, > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita it will > be > > > nice > > > > > to > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the perfect > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many. > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle. > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > , bala > > sosale > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter antra 2 > > > PDF > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra and > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for getting the > > > > > antra > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. Hope I > > > did > > > > > not > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn from > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart please > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for this Native? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one > click > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 9, 2006 Dear Ash, Since, for Ju we are considering aspect of Ju on LoA of rasi in navamsa. Can we similarly consider aspect of Sa on LoA of rasi in navamsa. So, if Sa aspects LoA of rasi in navamsa and aspects LoB of rasi in navamsa and aspects House C in navamsa. Can we say there is full delay due to saturn? Here, I am not taking lords of A, B, C in navamsa, I am taking lords of A, B, C of rasi chart in navamsa, so maybe I am still obeying Krushnaji's rule. Kindly clarify. Thanks & Regards, Manu , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Harjeet, > > No. Gita answered correctly. > > We do not take lords in navamsa. Krushnaji had told me that. We > only take house. So Sa say in 5th house in navamsa will cause delay. > > For Rasi, say if Ju is aspecting 2nd lord and 7th house then its > delay. Restricted to Rasi. > > We can check the aspect of Ju on lords or 2nd or 7th OF RASI IN > NAVAMSA. > > Same thing like Sa. > > for delay due to Sa, how we take. Sa's aspect on House A,B and C or > their lords in Rasi or navmsa (means lords of Rasi's 2nd, 7th and > 11th). > > Then we check if Sa is delay causing in Navamsa. > > There we restrict it to only house. So sa in 5th house in Navamsa > will cause full delay as it will ASPECT HOUSE A, B AND C. > > In navamsa we do not take lords of the house, but only aspect on > house. > > Even if u carefully study the D-Charts WS, we only take the > Ashtakvarg power for A+B+C only. i.e .top part of the WS. The > bottom part i.e 4:10, aspects etc is not taken. > > So same thing with Ju. > > If Ju aspects LoA and LoB in Rasi or Navamsa but Both then there is > delay. > > If Ju is lord of 1 house means 7th or 2nd in Rasi and aspects the > other LORD in navamsa that is also delay. > > For Navamsa, I would think same principles apply, Ju is lord of 1 > house in navmsa and it aspects the other house (2nd or 7th house in > navamsa), but we dotn take lords of 2nd house in navasma or 7th > house. > > Atleast thats my understanding this far. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > Respected Ashji, > > Learnt something new again... could have never thought of it. > > Sir my repeated question again if you can answer please... > > I dont have any chart to give as an example. but giving a scenario. > > Jupiter in A in rasi and in navamsa its situated in B. > > would this also be a dealy of jupiter? > > sorry for being annoying. > > thanks/regards > > harjeet > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > Again my mails are not reaching the list. I have replied to > this > > > question. > > > > > > Let me try again. > > > > > > Mo is 2nd lord in Rasi and Ju itself is 7th lord. > > > > > > Ju is aspecting Moon in Navamsa and itself is 7th lord in Rasi. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > , " kaslearner " > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > I am not able to get Jupiter Delay.. Can you explain?? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > > > Did your father expire in Mo/Sa antra. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1979-Mar-20 1980-Oct-19 > > > > > > > > > > If you can confirm this it will be good. > > > > > > > > > > Ok, yes your birth time is slightly rectified. > > > > > > > > > > In any case, its in the ball park. > > > > > > > > > > I shall attempt to time your marriage. > > > > > > > > > > There is no delay due to Shani. There is delay due to > Guru. > > > > Venus > > > > > is in nak of Moola and aspected by Shani. There are no > zeroes. > > > > > > > > > > So marriage can be after 24 years. > > > > > > > > > > At the end of 24 years you were running Ve/Ke. The very end > of > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > Next powerful antra is that of Su/Mo. > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969- > > > Oct-07 > > > > > > > > > > So I feel Moon antra might give u marraige. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atleast in my opinion you should be married before Su/Ju > antra. > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1971-Jan-06 1971- > > > > Oct-26 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If antra is proper i.e Sun/Mo. Then i will try to narrow it > > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > Kaneria > > > > > <pkaneria@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth > time is > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My > answers > > > > are > > > > > below. > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for > us > > > to > > > > > > verify your birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to > do > > > > with > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or > teaching > > > or > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government > and > > > > > Shani > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from > India > > > as > > > > > well as US. > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 > I > > > > worked > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high > income > > > and > > > > > expenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues / > > > work > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes > > > changed > > > > > jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do > your > > > own > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment > ended > > > in > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business. > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might > have > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u > might > > > > have > > > > > > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless, > this > > > > > > period is very powerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in > > > > getting > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996. > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father > health > > > wise > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon > > > > mahadasha. > > > > > Mother still lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of > the > > > > group. > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I > > > volunteer > > > > my > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my > > > > marriage > > > > > > date ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u > by > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > their understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can > get > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support > your > > > > > > query, > > > > > > > even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many > things > > > > > will > > > > > > > get cleared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed > > > approach > > > > > and > > > > > > > exercise, > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay > caused > > > by > > > > > > zero > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9 > in > > > > > 5:9... > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the > > > > following > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > > > > > e.g. > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and > say > > > its > > > > > the > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be > giving > > > > delay. > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in > rasi > > > and > > > > > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then > the > > > > > delay > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after > > > > satrun > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in > lord > > > of > > > > D > > > > > > or E > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the > > > time > > > > it > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would > occur > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord > of > > > A, > > > > B > > > > > > and C > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector > after 0 > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring > the > > > age > > > > of > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1 > and > > > 9 > > > > > are > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are > correct ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 > > > > > positioning... > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if > jupiter is > > > > in > > > > > > > libra in > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having > > > > exactly > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of > rahu, > > > > > venus > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen > from > > > > the > > > > > > > bhava or > > > > > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus > of > > > > female > > > > > > in > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would > be > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for > > > picking > > > > > the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more > thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier > and > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay > is > > > > > > nullified > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is > > > > running > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could > have > > > > given > > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered > an > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > 10% > > > > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when > the > > > > native > > > > > > is > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy > marriage > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house > 7. So > > > > sun > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points > in > > > the > > > > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the > > > > second > > > > > > > antra. > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for > the > > > > > wishes > > > > > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and > List > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita > it > > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the > > > perfect > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many. > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > bala > > > > > > sosale > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter > antra 2 > > > > > > > PDF > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra > and > > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for > getting > > > the > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. > Hope > > > I > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn > from > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart > please > > > > > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 9, 2006 Dear Manu, Take Leo lagna. If Sa aspects Mercury in navamsa then there is full delay. We cannot mix house in navamsa. Meas say if Sa is in 2nd house in Rasi and placed in 7th house in navsmasa there cant be delay like that. Keep Navamsa house seperate. That is not to be mixed with Rasi. So Sa must aspect A,B,C of RASI or the lords of ABC in rasi or navamsa. i.e only Lords of ABC of Rasi in navamsa. Assume Sa is not aspecting House A,B,C in Rasi nor the lords of A,B,C of Rasi in Rasi or navamsa. Next we check if there is delay in navamsa. Means here we only take house. So now u keep aside Rasi. Focus on navamsa. We have already checked Rasi and found that there is no delay. Now in navamsa say Shani is in 5th house then there is full delay as it will ASPECT HOUSE A B AND C OF NAVAMSA. And in navamsa we cannot take lords of House A,B,C of navamsa. Only House. I hope its clear. Cheers !!! Ash , " Manu Batura " <manubatura wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Since, for Ju we are considering aspect of Ju on LoA of rasi in > navamsa. Can we similarly consider aspect of Sa on LoA of rasi in navamsa. > > So, if Sa aspects LoA of rasi in navamsa and aspects LoB of rasi in > navamsa and aspects House C in navamsa. Can we say there is full delay > due to saturn? > > Here, I am not taking lords of A, B, C in navamsa, I am taking lords > of A, B, C of rasi chart in navamsa, so maybe I am still obeying > Krushnaji's rule. > > Kindly clarify. > > Thanks & Regards, > Manu , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Harjeet, > > > > No. Gita answered correctly. > > > > We do not take lords in navamsa. Krushnaji had told me that. We > > only take house. So Sa say in 5th house in navamsa will cause delay. > > > > For Rasi, say if Ju is aspecting 2nd lord and 7th house then its > > delay. Restricted to Rasi. > > > > We can check the aspect of Ju on lords or 2nd or 7th OF RASI IN > > NAVAMSA. > > > > Same thing like Sa. > > > > for delay due to Sa, how we take. Sa's aspect on House A,B and C or > > their lords in Rasi or navmsa (means lords of Rasi's 2nd, 7th and > > 11th). > > > > Then we check if Sa is delay causing in Navamsa. > > > > There we restrict it to only house. So sa in 5th house in Navamsa > > will cause full delay as it will ASPECT HOUSE A, B AND C. > > > > In navamsa we do not take lords of the house, but only aspect on > > house. > > > > Even if u carefully study the D-Charts WS, we only take the > > Ashtakvarg power for A+B+C only. i.e .top part of the WS. The > > bottom part i.e 4:10, aspects etc is not taken. > > > > So same thing with Ju. > > > > If Ju aspects LoA and LoB in Rasi or Navamsa but Both then there is > > delay. > > > > If Ju is lord of 1 house means 7th or 2nd in Rasi and aspects the > > other LORD in navamsa that is also delay. > > > > For Navamsa, I would think same principles apply, Ju is lord of 1 > > house in navmsa and it aspects the other house (2nd or 7th house in > > navamsa), but we dotn take lords of 2nd house in navasma or 7th > > house. > > > > Atleast thats my understanding this far. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > --- In , " harjeet_bakshi " > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Ashji, > > > Learnt something new again... could have never thought of it. > > > Sir my repeated question again if you can answer please... > > > I dont have any chart to give as an example. but giving a scenario. > > > Jupiter in A in rasi and in navamsa its situated in B. > > > would this also be a dealy of jupiter? > > > sorry for being annoying. > > > thanks/regards > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > Again my mails are not reaching the list. I have replied to > > this > > > > question. > > > > > > > > Let me try again. > > > > > > > > Mo is 2nd lord in Rasi and Ju itself is 7th lord. > > > > > > > > Ju is aspecting Moon in Navamsa and itself is 7th lord in Rasi. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > --- In , " kaslearner " > > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > I am not able to get Jupiter Delay.. Can you explain?? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > > > > > Did your father expire in Mo/Sa antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1979-Mar-20 1980-Oct-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can confirm this it will be good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, yes your birth time is slightly rectified. > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, its in the ball park. > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall attempt to time your marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no delay due to Shani. There is delay due to > > Guru. > > > > > Venus > > > > > > is in nak of Moola and aspected by Shani. There are no > > zeroes. > > > > > > > > > > > > So marriage can be after 24 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end of 24 years you were running Ve/Ke. The very end > > of > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Next powerful antra is that of Su/Mo. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969- > > > > Oct-07 > > > > > > > > > > > > So I feel Moon antra might give u marraige. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atleast in my opinion you should be married before Su/Ju > > antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1971-Jan-06 1971- > > > > > Oct-26 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If antra is proper i.e Sun/Mo. Then i will try to narrow it > > > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > Kaneria > > > > > > <pkaneria@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth > > time is > > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My > > answers > > > > > are > > > > > > below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for > > us > > > > to > > > > > > > verify your birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to > > do > > > > > with > > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or > > teaching > > > > or > > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government > > and > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from > > India > > > > as > > > > > > well as US. > > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 > > I > > > > > worked > > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high > > income > > > > and > > > > > > expenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues / > > > > work > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes > > > > changed > > > > > > jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do > > your > > > > own > > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment > > ended > > > > in > > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big > > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might > > have > > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u > > might > > > > > have > > > > > > > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless, > > this > > > > > > > period is very powerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in > > > > > getting > > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative > > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father > > health > > > > wise > > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon > > > > > mahadasha. > > > > > > Mother still lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of > > the > > > > > group. > > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I > > > > volunteer > > > > > my > > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > date ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u > > by > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > their understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can > > get > > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support > > your > > > > > > > query, > > > > > > > > even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many > > things > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > get cleared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed > > > > approach > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > exercise, > > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay > > caused > > > > by > > > > > > > zero > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9 > > in > > > > > > 5:9... > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the > > > > > following > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > > > > > > e.g. > > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and > > say > > > > its > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be > > giving > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in > > rasi > > > > and > > > > > > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then > > the > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after > > > > > satrun > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in > > lord > > > > of > > > > > D > > > > > > > or E > > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the > > > > time > > > > > it > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would > > occur > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord > > of > > > > A, > > > > > B > > > > > > > and C > > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector > > after 0 > > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring > > the > > > > age > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1 > > and > > > > 9 > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are > > correct ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 > > > > > > positioning... > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if > > jupiter is > > > > > in > > > > > > > > libra in > > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having > > > > > exactly > > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of > > rahu, > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > > bhava or > > > > > > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus > > of > > > > > female > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would > > be > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for > > > > picking > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more > > thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier > > and > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay > > is > > > > > > > nullified > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is > > > > > running > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could > > have > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered > > an > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > 10% > > > > > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when > > the > > > > > native > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy > > marriage > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house > > 7. So > > > > > sun > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the > > > > > second > > > > > > > > antra. > > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for > > the > > > > > > wishes > > > > > > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and > > List > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita > > it > > > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the > > > > perfect > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many. > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , > > > > bala > > > > > > > sosale > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter > > antra 2 > > > > > > > > PDF > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra > > and > > > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for > > getting > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. > > Hope > > > > I > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn > > from > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart > > please > > > > > > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for this > > > > Native? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in > > one > > > > > > click > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 9, 2006 Dear Pratap, Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is comfortable with with his or her prefered ayanamsa. If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based on the ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study the rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume that those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart to unfold it in a systematic manner. Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I can read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of fixed rules? Please reply. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash , Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968. > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help. > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967. > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969. > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976. > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974. > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966. > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968. > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968. > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that can give accurate predictions and the principles would not change regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata and ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably thousands of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want to question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at my chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it seems to give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing that you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I should mention what I have found. > > Anyway thanks for your efforts, > > With Regards, > > Pratap > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Pratap, > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park, > however, the correct way would be to give many events of your life > and in that way a person would be able to use the system. > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a happy > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your marriage > might have happened after 24 years. > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th birthday i.e > after nov 28th 1968. > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19 > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper between 18th > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves Ju/Ketu. So > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec. > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first strong antra > after delay period is over. > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07 > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, the > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months. > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range. > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the prior > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of one antra > and start of the other. > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth time is > in ball park. > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge the month > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will be very > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many events > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and nakshtras. > > A good exercise. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is approximately > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening. Then it > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have is > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my birthdate. > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus ascendant > than Gemini. > > > > With Regards, > > > > Pratap > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Pratap, > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you share that > > with us please. > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra, > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in 1968. > > Please if you can pinpoint the month. > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar, > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria > > > wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth time is > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My answers > are > > below. > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Pratap, > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for us to > > > verify your birth time. > > > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to do > with > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or teaching or > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government and > > Shani > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the same. > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from India as > > well as US. > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 I worked > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high income and > > expenses. > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues / work > > > during > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues. > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes changed > > jobs > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do your own > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment ended in > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business. > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might have > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u might > have > > > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless, this > > > period is very powerful. > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in > getting > > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996. > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father health wise > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon > mahadasha. > > Mother still lives. > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of the > group. > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I volunteer > my > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44. > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my > marriage > > > date ? > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your thoughts. > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u by > > sharing > > > > their understanding. > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can get > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support your > > > query, > > > > even better. > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many things > > will > > > > get cleared. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed approach > > and > > > > exercise, > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay caused by > > > zero > > > > is > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9 in > > 5:9... > > > but > > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the > following > > > about > > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > > e.g. > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and say its > > the > > > > lord > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be giving > delay. > > > as i > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in rasi and > > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then the > > delay > > > is > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after > satrun > > > > reaches > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in lord of > D > > > or E > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the time > it > > > > reaches > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would occur in > > the > > > > 1st > > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord of A, > B > > > and C > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector after 0 > > degree > > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring the age > of > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1 and 9 > > are > > > > only > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition. > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are correct ? > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 > > positioning... > > > > does > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if jupiter is > in > > > > libra in > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having > exactly > > 4 > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of rahu, > > venus > > > > etc > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen from > the > > > > bhava or > > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus of > female > > > in > > > > 5th > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would be > > > aspecting > > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for picking > > the > > > > right > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier and > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay is > > > nullified > > > > by > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is > running > > > Moon > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could have > given > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered an > > > > additional > > > > > > 10% > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when the > native > > > is > > > > in > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy marriage in > > the > > > > chart, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house 7. So > sun > > > is > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points in the > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the > second > > > > antra. > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for the > > wishes > > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and List > > > Members, > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita it > will > > be > > > > nice > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the perfect > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many. > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > , bala > > > sosale > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter antra 2 > > > > PDF > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra and > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for getting the > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. Hope I > > > > did > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn from > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart please > > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > > 2. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 9, 2006 Dear Ash, It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I do not have any system or rules that I propose. All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles and rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when applied to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my chart is wrong. And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa. With Regards, Pratap ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pratap, Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is comfortable with with his or her prefered ayanamsa. If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based on the ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study the rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume that those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart to unfold it in a systematic manner. Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I can read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of fixed rules? Please reply. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash , Pratap Kaneria wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968. > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help. > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967. > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969. > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976. > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974. > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966. > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968. > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968. > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that can give accurate predictions and the principles would not change regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata and ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably thousands of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want to question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at my chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it seems to give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing that you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I should mention what I have found. > > Anyway thanks for your efforts, > > With Regards, > > Pratap > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Pratap, > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park, > however, the correct way would be to give many events of your life > and in that way a person would be able to use the system. > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a happy > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your marriage > might have happened after 24 years. > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th birthday i.e > after nov 28th 1968. > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19 > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper between 18th > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves Ju/Ketu. So > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec. > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first strong antra > after delay period is over. > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07 > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, the > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months. > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range. > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the prior > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of one antra > and start of the other. > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth time is > in ball park. > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge the month > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will be very > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many events > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and nakshtras. > > A good exercise. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is approximately > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening. Then it > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have is > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my birthdate. > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus ascendant > than Gemini. > > > > With Regards, > > > > Pratap > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Pratap, > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you share that > > with us please. > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra, > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in 1968. > > Please if you can pinpoint the month. > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar, > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria > > > wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth time is > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My answers > are > > below. > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Pratap, > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for us to > > > verify your birth time. > > > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to do > with > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or teaching or > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government and > > Shani > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the same. > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from India as > > well as US. > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 I worked > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high income and > > expenses. > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues / work > > > during > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues. > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes changed > > jobs > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do your own > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment ended in > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business. > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might have > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u might > have > > > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless, this > > > period is very powerful. > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in > getting > > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996. > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father health wise > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon > mahadasha. > > Mother still lives. > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of the > group. > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I volunteer > my > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44. > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my > marriage > > > date ? > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your thoughts. > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u by > > sharing > > > > their understanding. > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can get > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support your > > > query, > > > > even better. > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many things > > will > > > > get cleared. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed approach > > and > > > > exercise, > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay caused by > > > zero > > > > is > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9 in > > 5:9... > > > but > > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the > following > > > about > > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > > e.g. > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and say its > > the > > > > lord > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be giving > delay. > > > as i > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in rasi and > > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then the > > delay > > > is > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after > satrun > > > > reaches > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in lord of > D > > > or E > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the time > it > > > > reaches > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would occur in > > the > > > > 1st > > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord of A, > B > > > and C > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector after 0 > > degree > > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring the age > of > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1 and 9 > > are > > > > only > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition. > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are correct ? > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 > > positioning... > > > > does > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if jupiter is > in > > > > libra in > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having > exactly > > 4 > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of rahu, > > venus > > > > etc > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen from > the > > > > bhava or > > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus of > female > > > in > > > > 5th > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would be > > > aspecting > > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for picking > > the > > > > right > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier and > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay is > > > nullified > > > > by > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is > running > > > Moon > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could have > given > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered an > > > > additional > > > > > > 10% > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when the > native > > > is > > > > in > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy marriage in > > the > > > > chart, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house 7. So > sun > > > is > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points in the > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the > second > > > > antra. > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for the > > wishes > > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and List > > > Members, > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita it > will > > be > > > > nice > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the perfect > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many. > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > , bala > > > sosale > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter antra 2 > > > > PDF > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra and > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for getting the > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. Hope I > > > > did > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn from > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart please > > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > > 2. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 9, 2006 Dear Pratap, My answers in CAPS below. Cheers !!! Ash Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria wrote: Dear Ash, It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I do not have any system or rules that I propose. ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES ONE VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM U USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS GIVES MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER THAT RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO CONVEY IS THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A SCIENCE. OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE? All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles and rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when applied to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my chart is wrong. ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR SOME EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW SAY IF SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE SEEN A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT MATCH. I CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME EVENT THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL GET SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY IS TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA. WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH OR ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE WILL UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND PARCEL OF IT. And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa. ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA IS ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK AT THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U HAVE FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE IN KAS. AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE OVERLOOKED. I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN, AND MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL LEARN MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-) With Regards, Pratap ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pratap, Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is comfortable with with his or her prefered ayanamsa. If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based on the ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study the rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume that those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart to unfold it in a systematic manner. Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I can read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of fixed rules? Please reply. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash , Pratap Kaneria wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968. > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help. > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967. > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969. > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976. > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974. > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966. > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968. > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968. > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that can give accurate predictions and the principles would not change regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata and ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably thousands of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want to question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at my chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it seems to give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing that you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I should mention what I have found. > > Anyway thanks for your efforts, > > With Regards, > > Pratap > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Pratap, > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park, > however, the correct way would be to give many events of your life > and in that way a person would be able to use the system. > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a happy > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your marriage > might have happened after 24 years. > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th birthday i.e > after nov 28th 1968. > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19 > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper between 18th > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves Ju/Ketu. So > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec. > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first strong antra > after delay period is over. > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07 > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, the > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months. > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range. > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the prior > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of one antra > and start of the other. > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth time is > in ball park. > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge the month > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will be very > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many events > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and nakshtras. > > A good exercise. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is approximately > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening. Then it > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have is > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my birthdate. > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus ascendant > than Gemini. > > > > With Regards, > > > > Pratap > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Pratap, > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you share that > > with us please. > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra, > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in 1968. > > Please if you can pinpoint the month. > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar, > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria > > > wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth time is > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My answers > are > > below. > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Pratap, > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for us to > > > verify your birth time. > > > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to do > with > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or teaching or > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government and > > Shani > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the same. > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from India as > > well as US. > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 I worked > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high income and > > expenses. > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues / work > > > during > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues. > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes changed > > jobs > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do your own > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment ended in > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business. > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might have > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u might > have > > > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless, this > > > period is very powerful. > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in > getting > > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996. > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father health wise > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon > mahadasha. > > Mother still lives. > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of the > group. > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I volunteer > my > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44. > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my > marriage > > > date ? > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your thoughts. > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u by > > sharing > > > > their understanding. > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can get > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support your > > > query, > > > > even better. > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many things > > will > > > > get cleared. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed approach > > and > > > > exercise, > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay caused by > > > zero > > > > is > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9 in > > 5:9... > > > but > > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the > following > > > about > > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > > e.g. > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and say its > > the > > > > lord > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be giving > delay. > > > as i > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in rasi and > > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then the > > delay > > > is > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after > satrun > > > > reaches > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in lord of > D > > > or E > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the time > it > > > > reaches > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would occur in > > the > > > > 1st > > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord of A, > B > > > and C > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector after 0 > > degree > > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring the age > of > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1 and 9 > > are > > > > only > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition. > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are correct ? > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 > > positioning... > > > > does > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if jupiter is > in > > > > libra in > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having > exactly > > 4 > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of rahu, > > venus > > > > etc > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen from > the > > > > bhava or > > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus of > female > > > in > > > > 5th > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would be > > > aspecting > > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for picking > > the > > > > right > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier and > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay is > > > nullified > > > > by > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is > running > > > Moon > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could have > given > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered an > > > > additional > > > > > > 10% > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when the > native > > > is > > > > in > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy marriage in > > the > > > > chart, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house 7. So > sun > > > is > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points in the > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the > second > > > > antra. > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for the > > wishes > > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and List > > > Members, > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita it > will > > be > > > > nice > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the perfect > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many. > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > , bala > > > sosale > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter antra 2 > > > > PDF > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra and > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for getting the > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. Hope I > > > > did > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn from > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart please > > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for this Native? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one > > click > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 9, 2006 Dear Pratap, Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in order to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly based on the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of change of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some stress in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once u gave the correct Mahadasha. What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence. In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball park, and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 events 8 or 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is working and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS. So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is based on proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, can be used on ALL charts and same principals and technique. That to me is science. Cheers !!! Ash , Ash <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Pratap, > > My answers in CAPS below. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria wrote: > Dear Ash, > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I do not have any system or rules that I propose. > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES ONE VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM U USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS GIVES MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER THAT RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO CONVEY IS THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A SCIENCE. OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE? > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles and rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when applied to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my chart is wrong. > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR SOME EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW SAY IF SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE SEEN A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT MATCH. I CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME EVENT THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL GET SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY IS TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA. > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH OR ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE WILL UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND PARCEL OF IT. > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa. > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA IS ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK AT THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U HAVE FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE IN KAS. > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE OVERLOOKED. > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN, AND MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL LEARN MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-) > > > > With Regards, > > Pratap > > ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Pratap, > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is comfortable > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa. > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based on the > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study the > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume that > those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart to > unfold it in a systematic manner. > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I can > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of fixed > rules? > > Please reply. > > Thanks, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968. > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help. > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967. > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969. > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976. > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974. > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966. > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968. > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968. > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that can > give accurate predictions and the principles would not change > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata and > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably thousands > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want to > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at my > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it seems to > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing that > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I > should mention what I have found. > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts, > > > > With Regards, > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Pratap, > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park, > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of your life > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system. > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a happy > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your marriage > > might have happened after 24 years. > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th birthday > i.e > > after nov 28th 1968. > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19 > > > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper between > 18th > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves Ju/Ketu. So > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec. > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first strong > antra > > after delay period is over. > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07 > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, the > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months. > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range. > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the prior > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of one > antra > > and start of the other. > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth time > is > > in ball park. > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge the > month > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will be > very > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many events > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and nakshtras. > > > > A good exercise. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is approximately > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening. Then it > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have is > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my birthdate. > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my > > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus > ascendant > > than Gemini. > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Pratap, > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you share > that > > > with us please. > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra, > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in 1968. > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month. > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar, > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month. > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria > > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth time is > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My answers > > are > > > below. > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for us > to > > > > verify your birth time. > > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to do > > with > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or teaching > or > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government and > > > Shani > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the same. > > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from India as > > > well as US. > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 I > worked > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high income and > > > expenses. > > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues / > work > > > > during > > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues. > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes > changed > > > jobs > > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do your > own > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment ended > in > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business. > > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might have > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u might > > have > > > > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless, this > > > > period is very powerful. > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in > > getting > > > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996. > > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father health > wise > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon > > mahadasha. > > > Mother still lives. > > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > , Pratap > Kaneria > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of the > > group. > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I > volunteer > > my > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44. > > > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my > > marriage > > > > date ? > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u by > > > sharing > > > > > their understanding. > > > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can get > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support your > > > > query, > > > > > even better. > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many things > > > will > > > > > get cleared. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed > approach > > > and > > > > > exercise, > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay caused > by > > > > zero > > > > > is > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9 in > > > 5:9... > > > > but > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the > > following > > > > about > > > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > > > e.g. > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and say > its > > > the > > > > > lord > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be giving > > delay. > > > > as i > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in rasi > and > > > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then the > > > delay > > > > is > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after > > satrun > > > > > reaches > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in lord > of > > D > > > > or E > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the > time > > it > > > > > reaches > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would occur > in > > > the > > > > > 1st > > > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord of > A, > > B > > > > and C > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector after 0 > > > degree > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring the > age > > of > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1 and > 9 > > > are > > > > > only > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are correct ? > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 > > > positioning... > > > > > does > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if jupiter is > > in > > > > > libra in > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having > > exactly > > > 4 > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of rahu, > > > venus > > > > > etc > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen from > > the > > > > > bhava or > > > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus of > > female > > > > in > > > > > 5th > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would be > > > > aspecting > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for > picking > > > the > > > > > right > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier and > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay is > > > > nullified > > > > > by > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is > > running > > > > Moon > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could have > > given > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered an > > > > > additional > > > > > > > 10% > > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when the > > native > > > > is > > > > > in > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy marriage > in > > > the > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house 7. So > > sun > > > > is > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points in > the > > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the > > second > > > > > antra. > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for the > > > wishes > > > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and List > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita it > > will > > > be > > > > > nice > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the > perfect > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many. > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > , > bala > > > > sosale > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter antra 2 > > > > > PDF > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra and > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for getting > the > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. Hope > I > > > > > did > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn from > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart please > > > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > > > 2. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 9, 2006 {Om Namo Narayanaya} Dear Ash ji, Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can you please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its what I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very meticulous. 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and is on alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson for me if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required. Thanks and Regards Nalini {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Pratap, > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in order > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly based on > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of change > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some stress > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once u gave > the correct Mahadasha. > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence. > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball park, > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 events 8 or > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is working > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS. > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is based on > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, can be > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique. > > That to me is science. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , Ash <ashsam73@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > My answers in CAPS below. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria@> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I do > not have any system or rules that I propose. > > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES ONE > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM U > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS GIVES > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER THAT > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO CONVEY IS > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A SCIENCE. > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE? > > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles and > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when applied > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my chart > is wrong. > > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR SOME > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW SAY IF > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE SEEN > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT MATCH. I > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME EVENT > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL GET > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY IS > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA. > > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH OR > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE WILL > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND > PARCEL OF IT. > > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa. > > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA IS > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK AT > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U HAVE > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE IN > KAS. > > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE > OVERLOOKED. > > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN, AND > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL LEARN > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-) > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > Pratap > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Pratap, > > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is comfortable > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa. > > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based on > the > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study the > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume that > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart to > > unfold it in a systematic manner. > > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I can > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of fixed > > rules? > > > > Please reply. > > > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968. > > > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help. > > > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967. > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969. > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976. > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974. > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966. > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968. > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968. > > > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that can > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not change > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata and > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably > thousands > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want to > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at my > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it seems > to > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing > that > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I > > should mention what I have found. > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts, > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Pratap, > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park, > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of your > life > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system. > > > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a happy > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your > marriage > > > might have happened after 24 years. > > > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th birthday > > i.e > > > after nov 28th 1968. > > > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19 > > > > > > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper between > > 18th > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves Ju/Ketu. > So > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec. > > > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec > > > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first strong > > antra > > > after delay period is over. > > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07 > > > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, the > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months. > > > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range. > > > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the prior > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of one > > antra > > > and start of the other. > > > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth > time > > is > > > in ball park. > > > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge the > > month > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will be > > very > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many > events > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and nakshtras. > > > > > > A good exercise. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is > approximately > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening. Then > it > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have is > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my > birthdate. > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus > > ascendant > > > than Gemini. > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you share > > that > > > > with us please. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > , Pratap > Kaneria > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra, > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in > 1968. > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month. > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar, > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month. > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth time is > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My > answers > > > are > > > > below. > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for > us > > to > > > > > verify your birth time. > > > > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to do > > > with > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or teaching > > or > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government > and > > > > Shani > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the > same. > > > > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from India > as > > > > well as US. > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 I > > worked > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high income > and > > > > expenses. > > > > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues / > > work > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues. > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes > > changed > > > > jobs > > > > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do your > > own > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment > ended > > in > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business. > > > > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might have > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u > might > > > have > > > > > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless, > this > > > > > period is very powerful. > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in > > > getting > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996. > > > > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father health > > wise > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon > > > mahadasha. > > > > Mother still lives. > > > > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of the > > > group. > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I > > volunteer > > > my > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my > > > marriage > > > > > date ? > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u by > > > > sharing > > > > > > their understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can > get > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support > your > > > > > query, > > > > > > even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many > things > > > > will > > > > > > get cleared. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed > > approach > > > > and > > > > > > exercise, > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay > caused > > by > > > > > zero > > > > > > is > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9 in > > > > 5:9... > > > > > but > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the > > > following > > > > > about > > > > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > > > > e.g. > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and say > > its > > > > the > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be giving > > > delay. > > > > > as i > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in rasi > > and > > > > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then > the > > > > delay > > > > > is > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after > > > satrun > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in > lord > > of > > > D > > > > > or E > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the > > time > > > it > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would > occur > > in > > > > the > > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord of > > A, > > > B > > > > > and C > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector after > 0 > > > > degree > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring the > > age > > > of > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1 > and > > 9 > > > > are > > > > > > only > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are correct ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 > > > > positioning... > > > > > > does > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if jupiter > is > > > in > > > > > > libra in > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having > > > exactly > > > > 4 > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of > rahu, > > > > venus > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen > from > > > the > > > > > > bhava or > > > > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus of > > > female > > > > > in > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would > be > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for > > picking > > > > the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more > thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier and > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay is > > > > > nullified > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is > > > running > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could have > > > given > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered an > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > 10% > > > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when the > > > native > > > > > is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy marriage > > in > > > > the > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house 7. > So > > > sun > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points in > > the > > > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the > > > second > > > > > > antra. > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for the > > > > wishes > > > > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and > List > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita it > > > will > > > > be > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the > > perfect > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many. > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > , > > bala > > > > > sosale > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter antra > 2 > > > > > > PDF > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra > and > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for getting > > the > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. > Hope > > I > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn > from > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart > please > > > > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > > > > 2. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 9, 2006 Dear Nalini and List Members, If you are offering your chart for study the please direct the question to the list members. So many people are intersted in learning KAS and are making good progress. Your chart will help those. You can also join in and just try to follow the lessons. I do understand that its hard to learn from ones own chart and the laws can't be applied without bias. Can list members, take this chart for study purpose. Try to use KAS and try to time the marriage date, date of job changes, why are there problems in job or say health, any children, date of death of parents if so atleast if the time is known can be verfied. Purchase of some property or travles etc all can be tried and timed. It does not matter if its right or wrong, here Nalini has also indicated about transit of Sa over 0 points. She is also going through worries period. Try to see the antra and time when her problems might have started and also from what areas of life. Gita, Harjeet, Ramesh, Bala, Manu, Dadhi, NS and all others can try to attempt this chart, discuss and learn. I shall also pitch in as and when. Cheers !!! Ash , " auromirra19 " <nalini2818 wrote: > > {Om Namo Narayanaya} > > Dear Ash ji, > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can you > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its what > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very meticulous. > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and is on > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson for me > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required. > Thanks and Regards > Nalini > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In > , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Pratap, > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in > order > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly based on > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of > change > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some > stress > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once u > gave > > the correct Mahadasha. > > > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence. > > > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball > park, > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 events 8 > or > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is > working > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS. > > > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is based on > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, can > be > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique. > > > > That to me is science. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , Ash <ashsam73@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > My answers in CAPS below. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria@> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I do > > not have any system or rules that I propose. > > > > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES ONE > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM U > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS > GIVES > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER > THAT > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO CONVEY > IS > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A > SCIENCE. > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE? > > > > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles > and > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when > applied > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my > chart > > is wrong. > > > > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR > SOME > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW SAY > IF > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE > SEEN > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT MATCH. > I > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME > EVENT > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL > GET > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY IS > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA. > > > > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH OR > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE > WILL > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND > > PARCEL OF IT. > > > > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa. > > > > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA IS > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK > AT > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U HAVE > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE IN > > KAS. > > > > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE > > OVERLOOKED. > > > > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN, > AND > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL LEARN > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is > comfortable > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa. > > > > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based on > > the > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study > the > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume > that > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart to > > > unfold it in a systematic manner. > > > > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I > can > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of > fixed > > > rules? > > > > > > Please reply. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968. > > > > > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help. > > > > > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967. > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969. > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976. > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974. > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966. > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968. > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968. > > > > > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that can > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not change > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata > and > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably > > thousands > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want to > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at > my > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it > seems > > to > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing > > that > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I > > > should mention what I have found. > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts, > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park, > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of your > > life > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system. > > > > > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a > happy > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your > > marriage > > > > might have happened after 24 years. > > > > > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th > birthday > > > i.e > > > > after nov 28th 1968. > > > > > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper between > > > 18th > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves > Ju/Ketu. > > So > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec. > > > > > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec > > > > > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first strong > > > antra > > > > after delay period is over. > > > > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07 > > > > > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, the > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months. > > > > > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range. > > > > > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the > prior > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of one > > > antra > > > > and start of the other. > > > > > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth > > time > > > is > > > > in ball park. > > > > > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge the > > > month > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will be > > > very > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many > > events > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and > nakshtras. > > > > > > > > A good exercise. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > Kaneria > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is > > approximately > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening. > Then > > it > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have > is > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my > > birthdate. > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus > > > ascendant > > > > than Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you share > > > that > > > > > with us please. > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in > > 1968. > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar, > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month. > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth time > is > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My > > answers > > > > are > > > > > below. > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for > > us > > > to > > > > > > verify your birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to > do > > > > with > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or > teaching > > > or > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government > > and > > > > > Shani > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from > India > > as > > > > > well as US. > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 I > > > worked > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high income > > and > > > > > expenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues / > > > work > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes > > > changed > > > > > jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do > your > > > own > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment > > ended > > > in > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business. > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might > have > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u > > might > > > > have > > > > > > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless, > > this > > > > > > period is very powerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in > > > > getting > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996. > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father > health > > > wise > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon > > > > mahadasha. > > > > > Mother still lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of > the > > > > group. > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I > > > volunteer > > > > my > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my > > > > marriage > > > > > > date ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u > by > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > their understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can > > get > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support > > your > > > > > > query, > > > > > > > even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many > > things > > > > > will > > > > > > > get cleared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed > > > approach > > > > > and > > > > > > > exercise, > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay > > caused > > > by > > > > > > zero > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9 > in > > > > > 5:9... > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the > > > > following > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > > > > > e.g. > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and > say > > > its > > > > > the > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be > giving > > > > delay. > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in > rasi > > > and > > > > > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then > > the > > > > > delay > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after > > > > satrun > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in > > lord > > > of > > > > D > > > > > > or E > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the > > > time > > > > it > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would > > occur > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord > of > > > A, > > > > B > > > > > > and C > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector > after > > 0 > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring > the > > > age > > > > of > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1 > > and > > > 9 > > > > > are > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are > correct ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 > > > > > positioning... > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if > jupiter > > is > > > > in > > > > > > > libra in > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having > > > > exactly > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of > > rahu, > > > > > venus > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen > > from > > > > the > > > > > > > bhava or > > > > > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus > of > > > > female > > > > > > in > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would > > be > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for > > > picking > > > > > the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more > > thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier > and > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay > is > > > > > > nullified > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is > > > > running > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could > have > > > > given > > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered > an > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > 10% > > > > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when > the > > > > native > > > > > > is > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy > marriage > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house > 7. > > So > > > > sun > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points > in > > > the > > > > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the > > > > second > > > > > > > antra. > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for > the > > > > > wishes > > > > > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and > > List > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita > it > > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the > > > perfect > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many. > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , > > > bala > > > > > > sosale > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter > antra > > 2 > > > > > > > PDF > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra > > and > > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for > getting > > > the > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. > > Hope > > > I > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn > > from > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart > > please > > > > > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 9, 2006 Naliniji, I am learning KAS and want to attempt your chart regarding the problems you mentioned. Saturn is going through zero in cancer sign... so it would be troublesome on its own. This house also happens to be 2nd. so might give some mental worries too. Its lord moon is aspected by Rahu in the natal chart. Also antra of Rahu is going on from May 2005 till May 2008. Moon afflicted by Rahu gives problems specially to health and mental worries. Rahu is transiting over your natal moon in pisces too. Rahu is samdhari to Sun and Mercury. Sun has very low points 10(below 12)for house no 1. in the worksheet. So its giving health probles because of that. Sun is also karak of health too. Rahu also aspects mercury in the natal chart which again is the lord of lagna and 4th house. Rahu's 5 aspect afflicts venus and mars. Mars here is lord of 6th house (work) and 11th house (income). Rahu gives events regarding the houses for which it becomes stationed at house D and E... which happens to be 7th house and 11th house. I dont know your line of work ... but 7th house denotes business partnerships or work where you deal with people. its also house for accidents... besides the marriage life. 11th is dealing with income or trading etc. so events regarding to these houses might occur in the antra of rahu. I know i might have gone astray from KAS.. but would like to add on.. So when saturn and rahu both change the sign which would be pretty soon around october or november this year i guess.. it would be much relief... Next antra is of Jupiter which is the strongest significator for house 1 and 10 and second best for house 6th. so this antra should be favourable with respect to health and career. I am a learner and would be wrong so pardon me if for anything. Thanks/Regards Harjeet , " auromirra19 " <nalini2818 wrote: > > {Om Namo Narayanaya} > > Dear Ash ji, > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can you > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its what > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very meticulous. > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and is on > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson for me > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required. > Thanks and Regards > Nalini > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In > , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Pratap, > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in > order > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly based on > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of > change > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some > stress > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once u > gave > > the correct Mahadasha. > > > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence. > > > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball > park, > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 events 8 > or > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is > working > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS. > > > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is based on > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, can > be > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique. > > > > That to me is science. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , Ash <ashsam73@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > My answers in CAPS below. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria@> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I do > > not have any system or rules that I propose. > > > > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES ONE > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM U > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS > GIVES > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER > THAT > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO CONVEY > IS > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A > SCIENCE. > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE? > > > > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles > and > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when > applied > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my > chart > > is wrong. > > > > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR > SOME > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW SAY > IF > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE > SEEN > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT MATCH. > I > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME > EVENT > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL > GET > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY IS > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA. > > > > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH OR > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE > WILL > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND > > PARCEL OF IT. > > > > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa. > > > > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA IS > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK > AT > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U HAVE > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE IN > > KAS. > > > > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE > > OVERLOOKED. > > > > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN, > AND > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL LEARN > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is > comfortable > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa. > > > > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based on > > the > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study > the > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume > that > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart to > > > unfold it in a systematic manner. > > > > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I > can > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of > fixed > > > rules? > > > > > > Please reply. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968. > > > > > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help. > > > > > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967. > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969. > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976. > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974. > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966. > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968. > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968. > > > > > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that can > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not change > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata > and > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably > > thousands > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want to > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at > my > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it > seems > > to > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing > > that > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I > > > should mention what I have found. > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts, > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park, > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of your > > life > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system. > > > > > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a > happy > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your > > marriage > > > > might have happened after 24 years. > > > > > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th > birthday > > > i.e > > > > after nov 28th 1968. > > > > > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper between > > > 18th > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves > Ju/Ketu. > > So > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec. > > > > > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec > > > > > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first strong > > > antra > > > > after delay period is over. > > > > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07 > > > > > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, the > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months. > > > > > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range. > > > > > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the > prior > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of one > > > antra > > > > and start of the other. > > > > > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth > > time > > > is > > > > in ball park. > > > > > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge the > > > month > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will be > > > very > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many > > events > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and > nakshtras. > > > > > > > > A good exercise. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > Kaneria > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is > > approximately > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening. > Then > > it > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have > is > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my > > birthdate. > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus > > > ascendant > > > > than Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you share > > > that > > > > > with us please. > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in > > 1968. > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar, > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month. > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth time > is > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My > > answers > > > > are > > > > > below. > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for > > us > > > to > > > > > > verify your birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to > do > > > > with > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or > teaching > > > or > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government > > and > > > > > Shani > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from > India > > as > > > > > well as US. > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 I > > > worked > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high income > > and > > > > > expenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues / > > > work > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes > > > changed > > > > > jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do > your > > > own > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment > > ended > > > in > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business. > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might > have > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u > > might > > > > have > > > > > > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless, > > this > > > > > > period is very powerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in > > > > getting > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996. > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father > health > > > wise > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon > > > > mahadasha. > > > > > Mother still lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of > the > > > > group. > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I > > > volunteer > > > > my > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my > > > > marriage > > > > > > date ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u > by > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > their understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can > > get > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support > > your > > > > > > query, > > > > > > > even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many > > things > > > > > will > > > > > > > get cleared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed > > > approach > > > > > and > > > > > > > exercise, > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay > > caused > > > by > > > > > > zero > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9 > in > > > > > 5:9... > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the > > > > following > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > > > > > e.g. > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and > say > > > its > > > > > the > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be > giving > > > > delay. > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in > rasi > > > and > > > > > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then > > the > > > > > delay > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after > > > > satrun > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in > > lord > > > of > > > > D > > > > > > or E > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the > > > time > > > > it > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would > > occur > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord > of > > > A, > > > > B > > > > > > and C > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector > after > > 0 > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring > the > > > age > > > > of > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1 > > and > > > 9 > > > > > are > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are > correct ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 > > > > > positioning... > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if > jupiter > > is > > > > in > > > > > > > libra in > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having > > > > exactly > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of > > rahu, > > > > > venus > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen > > from > > > > the > > > > > > > bhava or > > > > > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus > of > > > > female > > > > > > in > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would > > be > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for > > > picking > > > > > the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more > > thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier > and > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay > is > > > > > > nullified > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is > > > > running > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could > have > > > > given > > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered > an > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > 10% > > > > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when > the > > > > native > > > > > > is > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy > marriage > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house > 7. > > So > > > > sun > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points > in > > > the > > > > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the > > > > second > > > > > > > antra. > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for > the > > > > > wishes > > > > > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and > > List > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita > it > > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the > > > perfect > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many. > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > bala > > > > > > sosale > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter > antra > > 2 > > > > > > > PDF > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra > > and > > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for > getting > > > the > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. > > Hope > > > I > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn > > from > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart > > please > > > > > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for this > > > Native? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in > > one > > > > > click > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 9, 2006 Got it! Thanks a lot Ash Thanks & Regards, Manu , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Manu, > Take Leo lagna. If Sa aspects Mercury in navamsa then there is full > delay. > > We cannot mix house in navamsa. Meas say if Sa is in 2nd house in > Rasi and placed in 7th house in navsmasa there cant be delay like > that. > > Keep Navamsa house seperate. That is not to be mixed with Rasi. > > So Sa must aspect A,B,C of RASI or the lords of ABC in rasi or > navamsa. i.e only Lords of ABC of Rasi in navamsa. > > Assume Sa is not aspecting House A,B,C in Rasi nor the lords of > A,B,C of Rasi in Rasi or navamsa. > > Next we check if there is delay in navamsa. Means here we only take > house. So now u keep aside Rasi. Focus on navamsa. We have > already checked Rasi and found that there is no delay. > > Now in navamsa say Shani is in 5th house then there is full delay as > it will ASPECT HOUSE A B AND C OF NAVAMSA. > > And in navamsa we cannot take lords of House A,B,C of navamsa. Only > House. > > I hope its clear. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " Manu Batura " > <manubatura@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Since, for Ju we are considering aspect of Ju on LoA of rasi in > > navamsa. Can we similarly consider aspect of Sa on LoA of rasi in > navamsa. > > > > So, if Sa aspects LoA of rasi in navamsa and aspects LoB of rasi in > > navamsa and aspects House C in navamsa. Can we say there is full > delay > > due to saturn? > > > > Here, I am not taking lords of A, B, C in navamsa, I am taking > lords > > of A, B, C of rasi chart in navamsa, so maybe I am still obeying > > Krushnaji's rule. > > > > Kindly clarify. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Manu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Harjeet, > > > > > > No. Gita answered correctly. > > > > > > We do not take lords in navamsa. Krushnaji had told me that. > We > > > only take house. So Sa say in 5th house in navamsa will cause > delay. > > > > > > For Rasi, say if Ju is aspecting 2nd lord and 7th house then its > > > delay. Restricted to Rasi. > > > > > > We can check the aspect of Ju on lords or 2nd or 7th OF RASI IN > > > NAVAMSA. > > > > > > Same thing like Sa. > > > > > > for delay due to Sa, how we take. Sa's aspect on House A,B and > C or > > > their lords in Rasi or navmsa (means lords of Rasi's 2nd, 7th > and > > > 11th). > > > > > > Then we check if Sa is delay causing in Navamsa. > > > > > > There we restrict it to only house. So sa in 5th house in > Navamsa > > > will cause full delay as it will ASPECT HOUSE A, B AND C. > > > > > > In navamsa we do not take lords of the house, but only aspect on > > > house. > > > > > > Even if u carefully study the D-Charts WS, we only take the > > > Ashtakvarg power for A+B+C only. i.e .top part of the WS. The > > > bottom part i.e 4:10, aspects etc is not taken. > > > > > > So same thing with Ju. > > > > > > If Ju aspects LoA and LoB in Rasi or Navamsa but Both then there > is > > > delay. > > > > > > If Ju is lord of 1 house means 7th or 2nd in Rasi and aspects > the > > > other LORD in navamsa that is also delay. > > > > > > For Navamsa, I would think same principles apply, Ju is lord of > 1 > > > house in navmsa and it aspects the other house (2nd or 7th house > in > > > navamsa), but we dotn take lords of 2nd house in navasma or 7th > > > house. > > > > > > Atleast thats my understanding this far. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Ashji, > > > > Learnt something new again... could have never thought of it. > > > > Sir my repeated question again if you can answer please... > > > > I dont have any chart to give as an example. but giving a > scenario. > > > > Jupiter in A in rasi and in navamsa its situated in B. > > > > would this also be a dealy of jupiter? > > > > sorry for being annoying. > > > > thanks/regards > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, > > > > > Again my mails are not reaching the list. I have replied to > > > this > > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > Let me try again. > > > > > > > > > > Mo is 2nd lord in Rasi and Ju itself is 7th lord. > > > > > > > > > > Ju is aspecting Moon in Navamsa and itself is 7th lord in > Rasi. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > --- In > , " kaslearner " > > > > > <kaslearner@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not able to get Jupiter Delay.. Can you explain?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did your father expire in Mo/Sa antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1979-Mar-20 1980-Oct-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can confirm this it will be good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, yes your birth time is slightly rectified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, its in the ball park. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall attempt to time your marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no delay due to Shani. There is delay due to > > > Guru. > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > is in nak of Moola and aspected by Shani. There are no > > > zeroes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So marriage can be after 24 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end of 24 years you were running Ve/Ke. The very > end > > > of > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next powerful antra is that of Su/Mo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 > 1969- > > > > > Oct-07 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I feel Moon antra might give u marraige. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atleast in my opinion you should be married before Su/Ju > > > antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1971-Jan-06 > 1971- > > > > > > Oct-26 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If antra is proper i.e Sun/Mo. Then i will try to > narrow it > > > > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > <pkaneria@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth > > > time is > > > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My > > > answers > > > > > > are > > > > > > > below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events > for > > > us > > > > > to > > > > > > > > verify your birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something > to > > > do > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or > > > teaching > > > > > or > > > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or > government > > > and > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to > the > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees > from > > > India > > > > > as > > > > > > > well as US. > > > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since > 1986 > > > I > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high > > > income > > > > > and > > > > > > > expenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from > collegues / > > > > > work > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. > Yes > > > > > changed > > > > > > > jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do > > > your > > > > > own > > > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting > assignment > > > ended > > > > > in > > > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own > business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some > big > > > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also > might > > > have > > > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if > u > > > might > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > started your own business during this time. > Nevertheless, > > > this > > > > > > > > period is very powerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental > in > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very > lucrative > > > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father > > > health > > > > > wise > > > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in > Moon > > > > > > mahadasha. > > > > > > > Mother still lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > Pratap > > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails > of > > > the > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I > > > > > volunteer > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, > 21N44. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out > my > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > date ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your > > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion > helping u > > > by > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > their understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things > can > > > get > > > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to > support > > > your > > > > > > > > query, > > > > > > > > > even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so > many > > > things > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > get cleared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for > detailed > > > > > approach > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > exercise, > > > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay > > > caused > > > > > by > > > > > > > > zero > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 > and 9 > > > in > > > > > > > 5:9... > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about > the > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > > > > > > > e.g. > > > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. > and > > > say > > > > > its > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be > > > giving > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined > in > > > rasi > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E > then > > > the > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector > after > > > > > > satrun > > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn > in > > > lord > > > > > of > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > or E > > > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till > the > > > > > time > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event > would > > > occur > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the > lord > > > of > > > > > A, > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > and C > > > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector > > > after 0 > > > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled > bring > > > the > > > > > age > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord > of 1 > > > and > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor > opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are > > > correct ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 > > > > > > > positioning... > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if > > > jupiter is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > libra in > > > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or > > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its > having > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects > of > > > rahu, > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are > seen > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > bhava or > > > > > > > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to > venus > > > of > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu > would > > > be > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV > for > > > > > picking > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more > > > thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in > line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, > Xavier > > > and > > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter > delay > > > is > > > > > > > > nullified > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he > is > > > > > > running > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and > could > > > have > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I > considered > > > an > > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > 10% > > > > > > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 > when > > > the > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy > > > marriage > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from > house > > > 7. So > > > > > > sun > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power > for > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good > points > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to > the > > > > > > second > > > > > > > > > antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks > for > > > the > > > > > > > wishes > > > > > > > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier > and > > > List > > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. > Gita > > > it > > > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to > the > > > > > perfect > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for > many. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this > puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > > > > > bala > > > > > > > > sosale > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter > > > antra 2 > > > > > > > > > PDF > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct > antra > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for > > > getting > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying > this. > > > Hope > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can > learn > > > from > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 10, 2006 Dear Nalini, You must be a brilliant person with a photographic memory and very knowledgeable. You must be very helpful and undertsanding by nature and also very adjustive. Your chart is setup in a peculiar way. From 2nd thru to 6th house the SAV points are all over 28 and from 7th thru to 10th they are less than 28. 11th = 12th = 28 points. So when transit planets travel from 2nd thru 6th continiously your daily points in transits will go up and then once they hit 7th hosue they would drop. Mostly Ve, Me and Su are close by. This is very generally speaking. Your profession will be linked to Mercury and Moon. Mercury and Moon i.e. profession giving planets are again in 10th house in Rasi and can indicated authority too. Your 6th house and 10th house planets are powerful except Venus and Saturn. So some problems can be expected in those antra. Otherwise your career is good. Also 9th and 10th lords are conjoining in 7th house and 10th lord is in 10th indicating good status and rise in life career wise. Only thing is that u are too nice so people might take advantage of your kindness. So Ve/Ve antra might have given u some problems in Career. Venus 1998-Mar-14 2001-Jul-14 Venus is karak for 10th house, 5th house, 1st house, 7th house and 12th house. So all the antras in Venus MD will be linked to the same, again Venus is SD to Mars who is also 6th lord and 11th lord. Venus is SD to Mars so some effect of that too. Venus is SD to Guru also so some effect of that also blending in. You also have the blessing of your father/guru. So that is good. About August 2004 the problems might have started to become more intensed. i.e when Shani comes to last degree in Gemini and about to transit into Cancer. That time u were running Mars antra in Venus MD. Mars has less power in 5th house, 7th house and 12th house. Here Venus is karak for 7th and it has less power in 7th house so it might show some kind of accident or operation, especially since Sa and Ju = 5 at the same time Sa is transitting over 0 points and problems coming to you are related to 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th house matters. Peace of mind is gone and lots of worries and unnecessary worries will be there. You have started Rahu antra now and Rahu is SD to Su and Me. Rahu will be more like Mercury. Mercury has good power and is very powerful for 4th house, 8th house, 11th house and 7th house by virtue of being LoD and LoE. Its weak for 5th house, 9th and 12th. So some problems in these areas of life or say stress, so it can related to speculations, children, father, and pleasures. 11th v/s 12th house is showing more points for 11th than 12th so no stress about income as such, however 12th house points are less so its showing less happiness and pleasures. Regarding Marriage. Sa is in 5th hosue in navamsa showing full delay, Guru is aspecting Shani so moderating it, u got 1 zero in SAV. Shani is at 23deg19 and Sa has 0 and Sa itself is giving u blessing here. Considering all factors I feel marriage willl happen after 23 years of age. So mars antra runs then and Mars is weak for 7th house in WS so it cant give marriage. Next antra is that of Rahu. Rahu is in House D so its very eager to give marriage. Rahu 1983-Sep-10 1986-Mar-30 I feel 2nd sector will give marriage. Sector 2 1984-Jul-17 1985-May-23 and strong date as per probable date finder is Sun and Venus 31-Aug 12-Sep So in 31st Aug thru 12th sept in 1984 would be my pick. Then after marriage, Rahu itself can give Conception. But here Venus is with Mars and aspected by Rahu so its showing some issues some miscarriage or cesearean child birth. Mars itslef is also 11th lord and aspected by Rahu. So again showing that. 5th house points for Me are weak (Rahu) but 11th is strong. So I am getting some question here. Next antra is that of Ju and that will give conception. Ok, I am out of time. Cheers !!! Ash , " auromirra19 " <nalini2818 wrote: > > {Om Namo Narayanaya} > > Dear Ash ji, > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can you > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its what > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very meticulous. > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and is on > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson for me > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required. > Thanks and Regards > Nalini > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In > , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Pratap, > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in > order > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly based on > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of > change > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some > stress > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once u > gave > > the correct Mahadasha. > > > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence. > > > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball > park, > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 events 8 > or > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is > working > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS. > > > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is based on > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, can > be > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique. > > > > That to me is science. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , Ash <ashsam73@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > My answers in CAPS below. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria@> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I do > > not have any system or rules that I propose. > > > > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES ONE > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM U > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS > GIVES > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER > THAT > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO CONVEY > IS > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A > SCIENCE. > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE? > > > > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles > and > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when > applied > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my > chart > > is wrong. > > > > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR > SOME > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW SAY > IF > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE > SEEN > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT MATCH. > I > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME > EVENT > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL > GET > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY IS > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA. > > > > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH OR > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE > WILL > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND > > PARCEL OF IT. > > > > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa. > > > > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA IS > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK > AT > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U HAVE > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE IN > > KAS. > > > > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE > > OVERLOOKED. > > > > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN, > AND > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL LEARN > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is > comfortable > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa. > > > > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based on > > the > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study > the > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume > that > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart to > > > unfold it in a systematic manner. > > > > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I > can > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of > fixed > > > rules? > > > > > > Please reply. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968. > > > > > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help. > > > > > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967. > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969. > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976. > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974. > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966. > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968. > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968. > > > > > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that can > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not change > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata > and > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably > > thousands > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want to > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at > my > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it > seems > > to > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing > > that > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I > > > should mention what I have found. > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts, > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park, > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of your > > life > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system. > > > > > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a > happy > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your > > marriage > > > > might have happened after 24 years. > > > > > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th > birthday > > > i.e > > > > after nov 28th 1968. > > > > > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper between > > > 18th > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves > Ju/Ketu. > > So > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec. > > > > > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec > > > > > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first strong > > > antra > > > > after delay period is over. > > > > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07 > > > > > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, the > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months. > > > > > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range. > > > > > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the > prior > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of one > > > antra > > > > and start of the other. > > > > > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth > > time > > > is > > > > in ball park. > > > > > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge the > > > month > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will be > > > very > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many > > events > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and > nakshtras. > > > > > > > > A good exercise. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > Kaneria > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is > > approximately > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening. > Then > > it > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have > is > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my > > birthdate. > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus > > > ascendant > > > > than Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you share > > > that > > > > > with us please. > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in > > 1968. > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar, > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month. > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth time > is > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My > > answers > > > > are > > > > > below. > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for > > us > > > to > > > > > > verify your birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to > do > > > > with > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or > teaching > > > or > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government > > and > > > > > Shani > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from > India > > as > > > > > well as US. > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 I > > > worked > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high income > > and > > > > > expenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues / > > > work > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes > > > changed > > > > > jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do > your > > > own > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment > > ended > > > in > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business. > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might > have > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u > > might > > > > have > > > > > > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless, > > this > > > > > > period is very powerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in > > > > getting > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996. > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father > health > > > wise > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon > > > > mahadasha. > > > > > Mother still lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of > the > > > > group. > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I > > > volunteer > > > > my > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my > > > > marriage > > > > > > date ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u > by > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > their understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can > > get > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support > > your > > > > > > query, > > > > > > > even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many > > things > > > > > will > > > > > > > get cleared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed > > > approach > > > > > and > > > > > > > exercise, > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay > > caused > > > by > > > > > > zero > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9 > in > > > > > 5:9... > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the > > > > following > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > > > > > e.g. > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and > say > > > its > > > > > the > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be > giving > > > > delay. > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in > rasi > > > and > > > > > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then > > the > > > > > delay > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after > > > > satrun > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in > > lord > > > of > > > > D > > > > > > or E > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the > > > time > > > > it > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would > > occur > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord > of > > > A, > > > > B > > > > > > and C > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector > after > > 0 > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring > the > > > age > > > > of > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1 > > and > > > 9 > > > > > are > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are > correct ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 > > > > > positioning... > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if > jupiter > > is > > > > in > > > > > > > libra in > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having > > > > exactly > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of > > rahu, > > > > > venus > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen > > from > > > > the > > > > > > > bhava or > > > > > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus > of > > > > female > > > > > > in > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would > > be > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for > > > picking > > > > > the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more > > thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier > and > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay > is > > > > > > nullified > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is > > > > running > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could > have > > > > given > > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered > an > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > 10% > > > > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when > the > > > > native > > > > > > is > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy > marriage > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house > 7. > > So > > > > sun > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points > in > > > the > > > > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the > > > > second > > > > > > > antra. > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for > the > > > > > wishes > > > > > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and > > List > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita > it > > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the > > > perfect > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many. > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , > > > bala > > > > > > sosale > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter > antra > > 2 > > > > > > > PDF > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra > > and > > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for > getting > > > the > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. > > Hope > > > I > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn > > from > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart > > please > > > > > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 10, 2006 Naliniji, The discussion of Sri.ashsam is great.May I also give my analysis.?Regarding job front, The tenth lord Jupiter is in own sign ie in his moola trikonam.he is strong and favourable.The lord of the nineth ie Saturn is with him.That too is good.?Rahu aspects both Jupiter and Saturn ie by " jaimini aspect " . Moon ,Mercury and Ketu are situated in the tenth house.Mercury is debilitated.(Of course his debilitation is not effective). Jupiter is the lord of the tenth from Moon sign also.So almost every planet is involved in promoting " DasamaBhavam " .Saturn is the " Karaka " for jobs.Heis strong. Therefore, you are sure to get employed .You wil secure a respectable and gentle job.The combination of Saturn who is the Karmakaraka and Jupiter the Dharma Karaka indicates that you are a gentle and respectable person of the first order. Ketu is with Moon and therefore your mother has the name of a goddess say " a goddess who alights on a Lotus " .or one who is adorned by the attribute of Music.?A watery one.That also indicates that there is a temple of Mother Goddess where you were born or your mother was born. saturn aspects Moon .hence your mother too is a source of income.There is semblence between your good name and the name of your mother.She too is educated.to an extent.At your age of thirty there was obstruction to your studies.this is because at that time Jupiter transited to Cancer. ketu and Saturn promote the feeling to give up any existing job.More over Saturn is the lord of the eigth house.All the more he denies job.Your grand mother had bad time during Mercurys dasa from 1975 to 1992.venus in the eigth house denies job. Please write to me whether my discussion is useful.? regards, jagannathan. On 5/10/06, ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Nalini, > You must be a brilliant person with a photographic memory and very > knowledgeable. > You must be very helpful and undertsanding by nature and also very > adjustive. > Your chart is setup in a peculiar way. From 2nd thru to 6th house > the SAV points are all over 28 and from 7th thru to 10th they are > less than 28. 11th = 12th = 28 points. > So when transit planets travel from 2nd thru 6th continiously your > daily points in transits will go up and then once they hit 7th hosue > they would drop. Mostly Ve, Me and Su are close by. This is very > generally speaking. > > Your profession will be linked to Mercury and Moon. Mercury and > Moon i.e. profession giving planets are again in 10th house in Rasi > and can indicated authority too. > > Your 6th house and 10th house planets are powerful except Venus and > Saturn. So some problems can be expected in those antra. Otherwise > your career is good. Also 9th and 10th lords are conjoining in 7th > house and 10th lord is in 10th indicating good status and rise in > life career wise. Only thing is that u are too nice so people might > take advantage of your kindness. > > So Ve/Ve antra might have given u some problems in Career. > > Venus 1998-Mar-14 2001-Jul-14 > > Venus is karak for 10th house, 5th house, 1st house, 7th house and > 12th house. So all the antras in Venus MD will be linked to the > same, again Venus is SD to Mars who is also 6th lord and 11th lord. > Venus is SD to Mars so some effect of that too. Venus is SD to Guru > also so some effect of that also blending in. > > You also have the blessing of your father/guru. So that is good. > > About August 2004 the problems might have started to become more > intensed. i.e when Shani comes to last degree in Gemini and about > to transit into Cancer. That time u were running Mars antra in > Venus MD. Mars has less power in 5th house, 7th house and 12th > house. Here Venus is karak for 7th and it has less power in 7th > house so it might show some kind of accident or operation, > especially since Sa and Ju = 5 at the same time Sa is transitting > over 0 points and problems coming to you are related to 1st, 2nd, > 3rd and 4th house matters. Peace of mind is gone and lots of > worries and unnecessary worries will be there. > > You have started Rahu antra now and Rahu is SD to Su and Me. Rahu > will be more like Mercury. Mercury has good power and is very > powerful for 4th house, 8th house, 11th house and 7th house by > virtue of being LoD and LoE. Its weak for 5th house, 9th and 12th. > So some problems in these areas of life or say stress, so it can > related to speculations, children, father, and pleasures. > > 11th v/s 12th house is showing more points for 11th than 12th so no > stress about income as such, however 12th house points are less so > its showing less happiness and pleasures. > > Regarding Marriage. > > Sa is in 5th hosue in navamsa showing full delay, Guru is aspecting > Shani so moderating it, u got 1 zero in SAV. Shani is at 23deg19 > and Sa has 0 and Sa itself is giving u blessing here. > > Considering all factors I feel marriage willl happen after 23 years > of age. So mars antra runs then and Mars is weak for 7th house in > WS so it cant give marriage. Next antra is that of Rahu. Rahu is > in House D so its very eager to give marriage. > > Rahu 1983-Sep-10 1986-Mar-30 > > I feel 2nd sector will give marriage. > > Sector 2 1984-Jul-17 1985-May-23 > > and strong date as per probable date finder is > > Sun and Venus 31-Aug 12-Sep > > So in 31st Aug thru 12th sept in 1984 would be my pick. > > Then after marriage, Rahu itself can give Conception. But here > Venus is with Mars and aspected by Rahu so its showing some issues > some miscarriage or cesearean child birth. Mars itslef is also 11th > lord and aspected by Rahu. So again showing that. 5th house points > for Me are weak (Rahu) but 11th is strong. So I am getting some > question here. > Next antra is that of Ju and that will give conception. > > Ok, I am out of time. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > > , " auromirra19 " > <nalini2818 wrote: > > > > {Om Namo Narayanaya} > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can you > > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its > what > > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very > meticulous. > > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute > > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and is on > > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson for > me > > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required. > > Thanks and Regards > > Nalini > > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In > > , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in > > order > > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly based > on > > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of > > change > > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some > > stress > > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once u > > gave > > > the correct Mahadasha. > > > > > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence. > > > > > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball > > park, > > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 events 8 > > or > > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is > > working > > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked > > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as > > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS. > > > > > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is based > on > > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or > > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, can > > be > > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique. > > > > > > That to me is science. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , Ash <ashsam73@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > My answers in CAPS below. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I > do > > > not have any system or rules that I propose. > > > > > > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A > > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES > ONE > > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM > U > > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS > > GIVES > > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER > > THAT > > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO > CONVEY > > IS > > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A > > SCIENCE. > > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE? > > > > > > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles > > and > > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when > > applied > > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my > > chart > > > is wrong. > > > > > > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT > > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR > > SOME > > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW > SAY > > IF > > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS > > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT > > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS > > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE > > SEEN > > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT > MATCH. > > I > > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME > > EVENT > > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE > > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL > > GET > > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY > IS > > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA. > > > > > > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH > OR > > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE > > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE > > WILL > > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING > > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND > > > PARCEL OF IT. > > > > > > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate > > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY > > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA > IS > > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK > > AT > > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U > HAVE > > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE > > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE > IN > > > KAS. > > > > > > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE > > > OVERLOOKED. > > > > > > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN, > > AND > > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT > > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL > LEARN > > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is > > comfortable > > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based > on > > > the > > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study > > the > > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume > > that > > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart > to > > > > unfold it in a systematic manner. > > > > > > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I > > can > > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer > > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of > > fixed > > > > rules? > > > > > > > > Please reply. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > Kaneria > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968. > > > > > > > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help. > > > > > > > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967. > > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969. > > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976. > > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974. > > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966. > > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968. > > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968. > > > > > > > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that > can > > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not change > > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a > > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata > > and > > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably > > > thousands > > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want > to > > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at > > my > > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it > > seems > > > to > > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing > > > that > > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I > > > > should mention what I have found. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts, > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park, > > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of > your > > > life > > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system. > > > > > > > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a > > happy > > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your > > > marriage > > > > > might have happened after 24 years. > > > > > > > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th > > birthday > > > > i.e > > > > > after nov 28th 1968. > > > > > > > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper > between > > > > 18th > > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves > > Ju/Ketu. > > > So > > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec. > > > > > > > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec > > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec > > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first > strong > > > > antra > > > > > after delay period is over. > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07 > > > > > > > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, > the > > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months. > > > > > > > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range. > > > > > > > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the > > prior > > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of > one > > > > antra > > > > > and start of the other. > > > > > > > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth > > > time > > > > is > > > > > in ball park. > > > > > > > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge > the > > > > month > > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will > be > > > > very > > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many > > > events > > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and > > nakshtras. > > > > > > > > > > A good exercise. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is > > > approximately > > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening. > > Then > > > it > > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have > > is > > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my > > > birthdate. > > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my > > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus > > > > ascendant > > > > > than Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you > share > > > > that > > > > > > with us please. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in > > > 1968. > > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar, > > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month. > > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth > time > > is > > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My > > > answers > > > > > are > > > > > > below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events > for > > > us > > > > to > > > > > > > verify your birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something > to > > do > > > > > with > > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or > > teaching > > > > or > > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or > government > > > and > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to > the > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from > > India > > > as > > > > > > well as US. > > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 > I > > > > worked > > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high > income > > > and > > > > > > expenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from > collegues / > > > > work > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes > > > > changed > > > > > > jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do > > your > > > > own > > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment > > > ended > > > > in > > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own > business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some > big > > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might > > have > > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u > > > might > > > > > have > > > > > > > started your own business during this time. > Nevertheless, > > > this > > > > > > > period is very powerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental > in > > > > > getting > > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very > lucrative > > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father > > health > > > > wise > > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon > > > > > mahadasha. > > > > > > Mother still lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of > > the > > > > > group. > > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I > > > > volunteer > > > > > my > > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out > my > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > date ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping > u > > by > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > their understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things > can > > > get > > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to > support > > > your > > > > > > > query, > > > > > > > > even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many > > > things > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > get cleared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed > > > > approach > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > exercise, > > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay > > > caused > > > > by > > > > > > > zero > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and > 9 > > in > > > > > > 5:9... > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the > > > > > following > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > > > > > > e.g. > > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and > > say > > > > its > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be > > giving > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in > > rasi > > > > and > > > > > > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E > then > > > the > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector > after > > > > > satrun > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in > > > lord > > > > of > > > > > D > > > > > > > or E > > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till > the > > > > time > > > > > it > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would > > > occur > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the > lord > > of > > > > A, > > > > > B > > > > > > > and C > > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector > > after > > > 0 > > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring > > the > > > > age > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of > 1 > > > and > > > > 9 > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor > opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are > > correct ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 > > > > > > positioning... > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if > > jupiter > > > is > > > > > in > > > > > > > > libra in > > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or > > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its > having > > > > > exactly > > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of > > > rahu, > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > > bhava or > > > > > > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus > > of > > > > > female > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu > would > > > be > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for > > > > picking > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more > > > thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier > > and > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay > > is > > > > > > > nullified > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he > is > > > > > running > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could > > have > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I > considered > > an > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > 10% > > > > > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when > > the > > > > > native > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy > > marriage > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house > > 7. > > > So > > > > > sun > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good > points > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to > the > > > > > second > > > > > > > > antra. > > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for > > the > > > > > > wishes > > > > > > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier > and > > > List > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. > Gita > > it > > > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the > > > > perfect > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many. > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > > > > bala > > > > > > > sosale > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter > > antra > > > 2 > > > > > > > > PDF > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct > antra > > > and > > > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for > > getting > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. > > > Hope > > > > I > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can > learn > > > from > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart > > > please > > > > > > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for this > > > > Native? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel > in > > > one > > > > > > click > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 10, 2006 , " Jagannathan Kapisthalam " <jagannathankr wrote: > > Naliniji, > The discussion of Sri.ashsam is great.May I also give my analysis.?Regarding > job front, > The tenth lord Jupiter is in own sign ie in his moola trikonam.he is strong > and favourable.The lord of the nineth ie Saturn is with him.That too is > good.?Rahu aspects both Jupiter and Saturn ie by " jaimini aspect " . Is that why there is so much of cheating, fraud etc? > Moon ,Mercury and Ketu are situated in the tenth house.Mercury is > debilitated.(Of course his debilitation is not effective). > Jupiter is the lord of the tenth from Moon sign also.So almost every planet > is involved in promoting " DasamaBhavam " .Saturn is the " Karaka " for > jobs.Heis strong. > Therefore, you are sure to get employed .You wil secure a respectable and > gentle job. I was working as a Manager of a Bank branch, quite successfully and gave up my job on 29th November 2004, paradoxically the same day I joined the bank on 29th Nov 1992, 22 years earlier. I was known to be a good banker, too scrupulous, ever helpful to my clients, almost a workaholic but immensely enjoying the work, more the non monetary kind. Known to be brutally frank when it comes to compromising my principles, hence nobody messed with me. But have been victim of fraud and deceit from my own co-workers, as Ash ji, brilliantly analysed-took utmost advantage of my open mindedness with regard to hierarchy. Though it involved huge sums of money, I have always been considered " clean " but that black spot lingers.That has been the main reason for my thinking of changing my profession to that of less of corruption, cheating- fiscal . The combination of Saturn who is the Karmakaraka and Jupiter the > Dharma Karaka indicates that you are a gentle and respectable person of the > first order. > Ketu is with Moon and therefore your mother has the name of a goddess say " a > goddess who alights on a Lotus " .or one who is adorned by the attribute of > Music.?A watery one. Yes, you are right , my mother's name is Lalitha and she is well versed in Music.She has been kind enough to give me property. She is a Ph.D in Psychology. That also indicates that there is a temple of Mother > Goddess where you were born or your mother was born. > saturn aspects Moon .hence your mother too is a source of income.There is > semblence between your good name and the name of your mother.She too is > educated.to an extent. My education was interrupted in 1979 and I could get my masters only in 1984. Since then all attempts for a higher learning have not materialised, I had to give them up mid way due to various reasons. At your age of thirty there was obstruction to your > studies.this is because at that time Jupiter transited to Cancer. > ketu and Saturn promote the feeling to give up any existing job.More over > Saturn is the lord of the eigth house.All the more he denies job.Your grand > mother had bad time during Mercurys dasa from 1975 to 1992. Yes, my grandmother started suffering from that period and expired during 1996 venus in the > eigth house denies job. As I am running venus MD/Rahu AD how are the job prospects? I am contemplating getting trained in SAP. kindly advise- with ketu and mercury-involving communications-computers would I be successful? Is it possible that I may get a job in the near future? I have relocated abroad and it seems I have to acquire some local qualification,(given my past record in education-( I was brilliant at school, a Gold medalist)the disruption, I am skeptical. I am also thinking of changing my profession. what would be the best alternate? > Please write to me whether my discussion is useful.? Thanks a lot for your inputs and they have been extremely helpful. Nalini > regards, > jagannathan. > > > On 5/10/06, ashsam73 ashsam73 wrote: > > > > Dear Nalini, > > You must be a brilliant person with a photographic memory and very > > knowledgeable. > > You must be very helpful and undertsanding by nature and also very > > adjustive. > > Your chart is setup in a peculiar way. From 2nd thru to 6th house > > the SAV points are all over 28 and from 7th thru to 10th they are > > less than 28. 11th = 12th = 28 points. > > So when transit planets travel from 2nd thru 6th continiously your > > daily points in transits will go up and then once they hit 7th hosue > > they would drop. Mostly Ve, Me and Su are close by. This is very > > generally speaking. > > > > Your profession will be linked to Mercury and Moon. Mercury and > > Moon i.e. profession giving planets are again in 10th house in Rasi > > and can indicated authority too. > > > > Your 6th house and 10th house planets are powerful except Venus and > > Saturn. So some problems can be expected in those antra. Otherwise > > your career is good. Also 9th and 10th lords are conjoining in 7th > > house and 10th lord is in 10th indicating good status and rise in > > life career wise. Only thing is that u are too nice so people might > > take advantage of your kindness. > > > > So Ve/Ve antra might have given u some problems in Career. > > > > Venus 1998-Mar-14 2001-Jul-14 > > > > Venus is karak for 10th house, 5th house, 1st house, 7th house and > > 12th house. So all the antras in Venus MD will be linked to the > > same, again Venus is SD to Mars who is also 6th lord and 11th lord. > > Venus is SD to Mars so some effect of that too. Venus is SD to Guru > > also so some effect of that also blending in. > > > > You also have the blessing of your father/guru. So that is good. > > > > About August 2004 the problems might have started to become more > > intensed. i.e when Shani comes to last degree in Gemini and about > > to transit into Cancer. That time u were running Mars antra in > > Venus MD. Mars has less power in 5th house, 7th house and 12th > > house. Here Venus is karak for 7th and it has less power in 7th > > house so it might show some kind of accident or operation, > > especially since Sa and Ju = 5 at the same time Sa is transitting > > over 0 points and problems coming to you are related to 1st, 2nd, > > 3rd and 4th house matters. Peace of mind is gone and lots of > > worries and unnecessary worries will be there. > > > > You have started Rahu antra now and Rahu is SD to Su and Me. Rahu > > will be more like Mercury. Mercury has good power and is very > > powerful for 4th house, 8th house, 11th house and 7th house by > > virtue of being LoD and LoE. Its weak for 5th house, 9th and 12th. > > So some problems in these areas of life or say stress, so it can > > related to speculations, children, father, and pleasures. > > > > 11th v/s 12th house is showing more points for 11th than 12th so no > > stress about income as such, however 12th house points are less so > > its showing less happiness and pleasures. > > > > Regarding Marriage. > > > > Sa is in 5th hosue in navamsa showing full delay, Guru is aspecting > > Shani so moderating it, u got 1 zero in SAV. Shani is at 23deg19 > > and Sa has 0 and Sa itself is giving u blessing here. > > > > Considering all factors I feel marriage willl happen after 23 years > > of age. So mars antra runs then and Mars is weak for 7th house in > > WS so it cant give marriage. Next antra is that of Rahu. Rahu is > > in House D so its very eager to give marriage. > > > > Rahu 1983-Sep-10 1986-Mar-30 > > > > I feel 2nd sector will give marriage. > > > > Sector 2 1984-Jul-17 1985-May-23 > > > > and strong date as per probable date finder is > > > > Sun and Venus 31-Aug 12-Sep > > > > So in 31st Aug thru 12th sept in 1984 would be my pick. > > > > Then after marriage, Rahu itself can give Conception. But here > > Venus is with Mars and aspected by Rahu so its showing some issues > > some miscarriage or cesearean child birth. Mars itslef is also 11th > > lord and aspected by Rahu. So again showing that. 5th house points > > for Me are weak (Rahu) but 11th is strong. So I am getting some > > question here. > > Next antra is that of Ju and that will give conception. > > > > Ok, I am out of time. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " auromirra19 " > > nalini2818@ wrote: > > > > > > {Om Namo Narayanaya} > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can you > > > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its > > what > > > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very > > meticulous. > > > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute > > > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and is on > > > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson for > > me > > > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required. > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Nalini > > > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In > > > , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in > > > order > > > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly based > > on > > > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of > > > change > > > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some > > > stress > > > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once u > > > gave > > > > the correct Mahadasha. > > > > > > > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence. > > > > > > > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball > > > park, > > > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 events 8 > > > or > > > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is > > > working > > > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked > > > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as > > > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS. > > > > > > > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is based > > on > > > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or > > > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, can > > > be > > > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique. > > > > > > > > That to me is science. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > , Ash <ashsam73@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > > > My answers in CAPS below. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I > > do > > > > not have any system or rules that I propose. > > > > > > > > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A > > > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES > > ONE > > > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM > > U > > > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS > > > GIVES > > > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER > > > THAT > > > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO > > CONVEY > > > IS > > > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A > > > SCIENCE. > > > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE? > > > > > > > > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles > > > and > > > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when > > > applied > > > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my > > > chart > > > > is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT > > > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR > > > SOME > > > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW > > SAY > > > IF > > > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS > > > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT > > > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS > > > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE > > > SEEN > > > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT > > MATCH. > > > I > > > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME > > > EVENT > > > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE > > > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL > > > GET > > > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY > > IS > > > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA. > > > > > > > > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH > > OR > > > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE > > > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE > > > WILL > > > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING > > > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND > > > > PARCEL OF IT. > > > > > > > > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate > > > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY > > > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA > > IS > > > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK > > > AT > > > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U > > HAVE > > > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE > > > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE > > IN > > > > KAS. > > > > > > > > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE > > > > OVERLOOKED. > > > > > > > > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN, > > > AND > > > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT > > > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL > > LEARN > > > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is > > > comfortable > > > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based > > on > > > > the > > > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study > > > the > > > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume > > > that > > > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart > > to > > > > > unfold it in a systematic manner. > > > > > > > > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I > > > can > > > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer > > > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of > > > fixed > > > > > rules? > > > > > > > > > > Please reply. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967. > > > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969. > > > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976. > > > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974. > > > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966. > > > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968. > > > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that > > can > > > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not change > > > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a > > > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata > > > and > > > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably > > > > thousands > > > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want > > to > > > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at > > > my > > > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it > > > seems > > > > to > > > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing > > > > that > > > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I > > > > > should mention what I have found. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts, > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park, > > > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of > > your > > > > life > > > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system. > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a > > > happy > > > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your > > > > marriage > > > > > > might have happened after 24 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th > > > birthday > > > > > i.e > > > > > > after nov 28th 1968. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper > > between > > > > > 18th > > > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves > > > Ju/Ketu. > > > > So > > > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec > > > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec > > > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first > > strong > > > > > antra > > > > > > after delay period is over. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07 > > > > > > > > > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, > > the > > > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range. > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the > > > prior > > > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of > > one > > > > > antra > > > > > > and start of the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth > > > > time > > > > > is > > > > > > in ball park. > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge > > the > > > > > month > > > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will > > be > > > > > very > > > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many > > > > events > > > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and > > > nakshtras. > > > > > > > > > > > > A good exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is > > > > approximately > > > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening. > > > Then > > > > it > > > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have > > > is > > > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my > > > > birthdate. > > > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my > > > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus > > > > > ascendant > > > > > > than Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you > > share > > > > > that > > > > > > > with us please. > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in > > > > 1968. > > > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar, > > > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month. > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth > > time > > > is > > > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My > > > > answers > > > > > > are > > > > > > > below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events > > for > > > > us > > > > > to > > > > > > > > verify your birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something > > to > > > do > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or > > > teaching > > > > > or > > > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or > > government > > > > and > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to > > the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from > > > India > > > > as > > > > > > > well as US. > > > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 > > I > > > > > worked > > > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high > > income > > > > and > > > > > > > expenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from > > collegues / > > > > > work > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes > > > > > changed > > > > > > > jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do > > > your > > > > > own > > > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment > > > > ended > > > > > in > > > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own > > business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some > > big > > > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might > > > have > > > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u > > > > might > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > started your own business during this time. > > Nevertheless, > > > > this > > > > > > > > period is very powerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental > > in > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very > > lucrative > > > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father > > > health > > > > > wise > > > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon > > > > > > mahadasha. > > > > > > > Mother still lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of > > > the > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I > > > > > volunteer > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out > > my > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > date ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your > > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping > > u > > > by > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > their understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things > > can > > > > get > > > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to > > support > > > > your > > > > > > > > query, > > > > > > > > > even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many > > > > things > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > get cleared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed > > > > > approach > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > exercise, > > > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay > > > > caused > > > > > by > > > > > > > > zero > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and > > 9 > > > in > > > > > > > 5:9... > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > > > > > > > e.g. > > > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and > > > say > > > > > its > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be > > > giving > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in > > > rasi > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E > > then > > > > the > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector > > after > > > > > > satrun > > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in > > > > lord > > > > > of > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > or E > > > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till > > the > > > > > time > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would > > > > occur > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the > > lord > > > of > > > > > A, > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > and C > > > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector > > > after > > > > 0 > > > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring > > > the > > > > > age > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of > > 1 > > > > and > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor > > opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are > > > correct ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 > > > > > > > positioning... > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if > > > jupiter > > > > is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > libra in > > > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or > > > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its > > having > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of > > > > rahu, > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > bhava or > > > > > > > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus > > > of > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu > > would > > > > be > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for > > > > > picking > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more > > > > thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier > > > and > > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay > > > is > > > > > > > > nullified > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he > > is > > > > > > running > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could > > > have > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I > > considered > > > an > > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > 10% > > > > > > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when > > > the > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy > > > marriage > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house > > > 7. > > > > So > > > > > > sun > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good > > points > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to > > the > > > > > > second > > > > > > > > > antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for > > > the > > > > > > > wishes > > > > > > > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier > > and > > > > List > > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. > > Gita > > > it > > > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the > > > > > perfect > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , > > > > > bala > > > > > > > > sosale > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter > > > antra > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > PDF > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct > > antra > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for > > > getting > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. > > > > Hope > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can > > learn > > > > from > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 10, 2006 Dear Ash ji, Kudos for a wonderful analysis. I have confirmed the events at the appropriate places. , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Nalini, > You must be a brilliant person with a photographic memory and very > knowledgeable. Ash ji, yes I was the top ranker at school, blessed with photographic memory, I used to visualise the pages I read before answering at the exams. > You must be very helpful and undertsanding by nature and also very > adjustive. True. known to be so and I think am easily adaptable. > Your chart is setup in a peculiar way. From 2nd thru to 6th house > the SAV points are all over 28 and from 7th thru to 10th they are > less than 28. 11th = 12th = 28 points. > So when transit planets travel from 2nd thru 6th continiously your > daily points in transits will go up and then once they hit 7th hosue > they would drop. Mostly Ve, Me and Su are close by. This is very > generally speaking. > > Your profession will be linked to Mercury and Moon. Mercury and > Moon i.e. profession giving planets are again in 10th house in Rasi > and can indicated authority too. It involved banking, head of a big branch, dealing with people and money. > > Your 6th house and 10th house planets are powerful except Venus and > Saturn. So some problems can be expected in those antra. Otherwise > your career is good. Also 9th and 10th lords are conjoining in 7th > house and 10th lord is in 10th indicating good status and rise in > life career wise. Only thing is that u are too nice so people might > take advantage of your kindness. Yes, this has been my bete noire. > > So Ve/Ve antra might have given u some problems in Career. > > Venus 1998-Mar-14 2001-Jul-14 No. It was not problematic. The real trouble started in October 2001 involving fraud- as the head of the branch I was in and out of courts, police stations. > > Venus is karak for 10th house, 5th house, 1st house, 7th house and > 12th house. So all the antras in Venus MD will be linked to the > same, again Venus is SD to Mars who is also 6th lord and 11th lord. > Venus is SD to Mars so some effect of that too. Venus is SD to Guru > also so some effect of that also blending in. > > You also have the blessing of your father/guru. So that is good. That has saved me from all the dire situations. > > About August 2004 the problems might have started to become more > intensed. i.e when Shani comes to last degree in Gemini and about > to transit into Cancer. My health turned worse in May 2004, and since then I was constantly being targeted by my boss. I was posted to a bigger branch full of bad debts, court cases etc for cleaning up.I had to give up my job , I resigned on 29th November 2004 exactly 22 years after joining the bank on 29th Nov 1982. That time u were running Mars antra in > Venus MD. Mars has less power in 5th house, 7th house and 12th > house. Here Venus is karak for 7th and it has less power in 7th > house so it might show some kind of accident or operation, > especially since Sa and Ju = 5 at the same time Sa is transitting > over 0 points and problems coming to you are related to 1st, 2nd, > 3rd and 4th house matters. Peace of mind is gone and lots of > worries and unnecessary worries will be there. I was involved in an accident, my own car dragged me 100 ft on the road after my pallu got into the door while getting down. It was peak hour traffic , at a junction in front of a bus stop- but strangely traffic came to a standstill. Only after my car came back, and I got into it everything moved- It is uncanny that nothing happened to me , not even scratches.It was 14th or 15th of may 2002. I have been prone to accidents, many, but never injured. > > You have started Rahu antra now and Rahu is SD to Su and Me. Rahu > will be more like Mercury. Mercury has good power and is very > powerful for 4th house, 8th house, 11th house and 7th house by > virtue of being LoD and LoE. Its weak for 5th house, 9th and 12th. > So some problems in these areas of life or say stress, so it can > related to speculations, children, father, and pleasures. Yes, my worry is my children's education- my elder son who has not been able to complete his graduation- due to relocation and here he is again switched his subjects to Food tech. > > 11th v/s 12th house is showing more points for 11th than 12th so no > stress about income as such, however 12th house points are less so > its showing less happiness and pleasures. True. > > Regarding Marriage. > > Sa is in 5th hosue in navamsa showing full delay, Guru is aspecting > Shani so moderating it, u got 1 zero in SAV. Shani is at 23deg19 > and Sa has 0 and Sa itself is giving u blessing here. > > Considering all factors I feel marriage willl happen after 23 years > of age. So mars antra runs then and Mars is weak for 7th house in > WS so it cant give marriage. Next antra is that of Rahu. Rahu is > in House D so its very eager to give marriage. > > Rahu 1983-Sep-10 1986-Mar-30 The antar is perfect. > > I feel 2nd sector will give marriage. > > Sector 2 1984-Jul-17 1985-May-23 > > and strong date as per probable date finder is > > Sun and Venus 31-Aug 12-Sep > > So in 31st Aug thru 12th sept in 1984 would be my pick. I got married on 9th May 1984 - 24 years > > Then after marriage, Rahu itself can give Conception. But here > Venus is with Mars and aspected by Rahu so its showing some issues > some miscarriage or cesearean child birth. I had my first son on 1st May 1985, a normal delivery but use of forceps was there.There were two miscarriages after wards. Mars itslef is also 11th > lord and aspected by Rahu. So again showing that. 5th house points > for Me are weak (Rahu) but 11th is strong. So I am getting some > question here. > Next antra is that of Ju and that will give conception. My second son was born on 29th June 1988. > > Ok, I am out of time. > Thank you, Ash ji for the detailed,brilliant analysis. I shall use it for study. Nalini > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > > , " auromirra19 " > nalini2818@ wrote: > > > > {Om Namo Narayanaya} > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can you > > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its > what > > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very > meticulous. > > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute > > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and is on > > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson for > me > > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required. > > Thanks and Regards > > Nalini > > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In > > , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in > > order > > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly based > on > > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of > > change > > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some > > stress > > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once u > > gave > > > the correct Mahadasha. > > > > > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence. > > > > > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball > > park, > > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 events 8 > > or > > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is > > working > > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked > > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as > > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS. > > > > > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is based > on > > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or > > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, can > > be > > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique. > > > > > > That to me is science. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , Ash <ashsam73@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > My answers in CAPS below. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I > do > > > not have any system or rules that I propose. > > > > > > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A > > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES > ONE > > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM > U > > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS > > GIVES > > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER > > THAT > > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO > CONVEY > > IS > > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A > > SCIENCE. > > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE? > > > > > > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles > > and > > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when > > applied > > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my > > chart > > > is wrong. > > > > > > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT > > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR > > SOME > > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW > SAY > > IF > > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS > > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT > > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS > > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE > > SEEN > > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT > MATCH. > > I > > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME > > EVENT > > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE > > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL > > GET > > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY > IS > > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA. > > > > > > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH > OR > > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE > > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE > > WILL > > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING > > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND > > > PARCEL OF IT. > > > > > > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate > > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY > > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA > IS > > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK > > AT > > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U > HAVE > > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE > > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE > IN > > > KAS. > > > > > > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE > > > OVERLOOKED. > > > > > > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN, > > AND > > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT > > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL > LEARN > > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is > > comfortable > > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based > on > > > the > > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study > > the > > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume > > that > > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart > to > > > > unfold it in a systematic manner. > > > > > > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I > > can > > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer > > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of > > fixed > > > > rules? > > > > > > > > Please reply. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > Kaneria > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968. > > > > > > > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help. > > > > > > > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967. > > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969. > > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976. > > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974. > > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966. > > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968. > > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968. > > > > > > > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that > can > > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not change > > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a > > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata > > and > > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably > > > thousands > > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want > to > > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at > > my > > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it > > seems > > > to > > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing > > > that > > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I > > > > should mention what I have found. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts, > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park, > > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of > your > > > life > > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system. > > > > > > > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a > > happy > > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your > > > marriage > > > > > might have happened after 24 years. > > > > > > > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th > > birthday > > > > i.e > > > > > after nov 28th 1968. > > > > > > > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper > between > > > > 18th > > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves > > Ju/Ketu. > > > So > > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec. > > > > > > > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec > > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec > > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first > strong > > > > antra > > > > > after delay period is over. > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07 > > > > > > > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, > the > > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months. > > > > > > > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range. > > > > > > > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the > > prior > > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of > one > > > > antra > > > > > and start of the other. > > > > > > > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth > > > time > > > > is > > > > > in ball park. > > > > > > > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge > the > > > > month > > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will > be > > > > very > > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many > > > events > > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and > > nakshtras. > > > > > > > > > > A good exercise. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is > > > approximately > > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening. > > Then > > > it > > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have > > is > > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my > > > birthdate. > > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my > > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus > > > > ascendant > > > > > than Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you > share > > > > that > > > > > > with us please. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in > > > 1968. > > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar, > > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month. > > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth > time > > is > > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My > > > answers > > > > > are > > > > > > below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events > for > > > us > > > > to > > > > > > > verify your birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something > to > > do > > > > > with > > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or > > teaching > > > > or > > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or > government > > > and > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to > the > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from > > India > > > as > > > > > > well as US. > > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 > I > > > > worked > > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high > income > > > and > > > > > > expenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from > collegues / > > > > work > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes > > > > changed > > > > > > jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do > > your > > > > own > > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment > > > ended > > > > in > > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own > business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some > big > > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might > > have > > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u > > > might > > > > > have > > > > > > > started your own business during this time. > Nevertheless, > > > this > > > > > > > period is very powerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental > in > > > > > getting > > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very > lucrative > > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father > > health > > > > wise > > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon > > > > > mahadasha. > > > > > > Mother still lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of > > the > > > > > group. > > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I > > > > volunteer > > > > > my > > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out > my > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > date ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping > u > > by > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > their understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things > can > > > get > > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to > support > > > your > > > > > > > query, > > > > > > > > even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many > > > things > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > get cleared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed > > > > approach > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > exercise, > > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay > > > caused > > > > by > > > > > > > zero > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and > 9 > > in > > > > > > 5:9... > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the > > > > > following > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > > > > > > e.g. > > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and > > say > > > > its > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be > > giving > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in > > rasi > > > > and > > > > > > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E > then > > > the > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector > after > > > > > satrun > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in > > > lord > > > > of > > > > > D > > > > > > > or E > > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till > the > > > > time > > > > > it > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would > > > occur > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the > lord > > of > > > > A, > > > > > B > > > > > > > and C > > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector > > after > > > 0 > > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring > > the > > > > age > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of > 1 > > > and > > > > 9 > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor > opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are > > correct ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 > > > > > > positioning... > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if > > jupiter > > > is > > > > > in > > > > > > > > libra in > > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or > > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its > having > > > > > exactly > > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of > > > rahu, > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > > bhava or > > > > > > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus > > of > > > > > female > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu > would > > > be > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for > > > > picking > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more > > > thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier > > and > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay > > is > > > > > > > nullified > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he > is > > > > > running > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could > > have > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I > considered > > an > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > 10% > > > > > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when > > the > > > > > native > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy > > marriage > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house > > 7. > > > So > > > > > sun > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good > points > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to > the > > > > > second > > > > > > > > antra. > > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for > > the > > > > > > wishes > > > > > > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier > and > > > List > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. > Gita > > it > > > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the > > > > perfect > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many. > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > > > > bala > > > > > > > sosale > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter > > antra > > > 2 > > > > > > > > PDF > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct > antra > > > and > > > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for > > getting > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. > > > Hope > > > > I > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can > learn > > > from > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart > > > please > > > > > > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for this > > > > Native? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel > in > > > one > > > > > > click > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 10, 2006 Dear Harjeet ji, my replies are below. , " harjeet_bakshi " <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > > Naliniji, > I am learning KAS and want to attempt your chart regarding the > problems you mentioned. > Saturn is going through zero in cancer sign... so it would be > troublesome on its own. This house also happens to be 2nd. so might > give some mental worries too. Its lord moon is aspected by Rahu in the > natal chart. Also antra of Rahu is going on from May 2005 till May > 2008. Moon afflicted by Rahu gives problems specially to health and > mental worries. True. I relocated abroad from India on 2 nd may 2005. My health has become worst, I was in and out of hospitals from July 2005 to Sept 2005. Now I have been inconclusively diagnosed to be suffering form pulmonary Sarcoidosis, a debilitating lung disease, it has affected almost all my organs. Now I have impaired glucose tolerance, hypo thyroidism, severe swelling in the feet starting from the knees, doctors feel could be side effects of the steroids I am taking for the disease. Will there be a respite after October 2006? Rahu is transiting over your natal moon in pisces too. > Rahu is samdhari to Sun and Mercury. Sun has very low points 10(below > 12)for house no 1. in the worksheet. So its giving health probles > because of that. Sun is also karak of health too. Rahu also aspects > mercury in the natal chart which again is the lord of lagna and 4th > house. Rahu's 5 aspect afflicts venus and mars. Mars here is lord of > 6th house (work) and 11th house (income). > Rahu gives events regarding the houses for which it becomes stationed > at house D and E... which happens to be 7th house and 11th house. > I dont know your line of work ...I worked for a Bank as branch Manager, dealing with people and money. but 7th house denotes business > partnerships or work where you deal with people. its also house for > accidents... Had several accidents including a near fatal one during may 2002 besides the marriage life. 11th is dealing with income or > trading etc. so events regarding to these houses might occur in the > antra of rahu. > I know i might have gone astray from KAS.. but would like to add on.. > So when saturn and rahu both change the sign which would be pretty > soon around october or november this year i guess.. it would be much > relief... > Next antra is of Jupiter which is the strongest significator for house > 1 and 10 and second best for house 6th. so this antra should be > favourable with respect to health and career. > I am a learner and would be wrong so pardon me if for anything. I am indebted to you for the suggestions/advice and please do not feel so. I would be glad to be a part of your learning process. Thanks & Regards Nalini > Thanks/Regards > Harjeet > > > , " auromirra19 " > nalini2818@ wrote: > > > > {Om Namo Narayanaya} > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can you > > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its what > > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very meticulous. > > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute > > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and is on > > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson for me > > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required. > > Thanks and Regards > > Nalini > > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In > > , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in > > order > > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly based on > > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of > > change > > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some > > stress > > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once u > > gave > > > the correct Mahadasha. > > > > > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence. > > > > > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball > > park, > > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 events 8 > > or > > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is > > working > > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked > > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as > > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS. > > > > > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is based on > > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or > > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, can > > be > > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique. > > > > > > That to me is science. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , Ash <ashsam73@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > My answers in CAPS below. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I do > > > not have any system or rules that I propose. > > > > > > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A > > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES ONE > > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM U > > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS > > GIVES > > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER > > THAT > > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO CONVEY > > IS > > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A > > SCIENCE. > > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE? > > > > > > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles > > and > > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when > > applied > > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my > > chart > > > is wrong. > > > > > > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT > > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR > > SOME > > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW SAY > > IF > > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS > > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT > > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS > > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE > > SEEN > > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT MATCH. > > I > > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME > > EVENT > > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE > > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL > > GET > > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY IS > > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA. > > > > > > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH OR > > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE > > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE > > WILL > > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING > > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND > > > PARCEL OF IT. > > > > > > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate > > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY > > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA IS > > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK > > AT > > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U HAVE > > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE > > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE IN > > > KAS. > > > > > > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE > > > OVERLOOKED. > > > > > > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN, > > AND > > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT > > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL LEARN > > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is > > comfortable > > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based on > > > the > > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study > > the > > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume > > that > > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart to > > > > unfold it in a systematic manner. > > > > > > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I > > can > > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer > > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of > > fixed > > > > rules? > > > > > > > > Please reply. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968. > > > > > > > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help. > > > > > > > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967. > > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969. > > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976. > > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974. > > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966. > > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968. > > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968. > > > > > > > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that can > > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not change > > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a > > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata > > and > > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably > > > thousands > > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want to > > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at > > my > > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it > > seems > > > to > > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing > > > that > > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I > > > > should mention what I have found. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts, > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park, > > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of your > > > life > > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system. > > > > > > > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a > > happy > > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your > > > marriage > > > > > might have happened after 24 years. > > > > > > > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th > > birthday > > > > i.e > > > > > after nov 28th 1968. > > > > > > > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper between > > > > 18th > > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves > > Ju/Ketu. > > > So > > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec. > > > > > > > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec > > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec > > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first strong > > > > antra > > > > > after delay period is over. > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07 > > > > > > > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, the > > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months. > > > > > > > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range. > > > > > > > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the > > prior > > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of one > > > > antra > > > > > and start of the other. > > > > > > > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth > > > time > > > > is > > > > > in ball park. > > > > > > > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge the > > > > month > > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will be > > > > very > > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many > > > events > > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and > > nakshtras. > > > > > > > > > > A good exercise. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is > > > approximately > > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening. > > Then > > > it > > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have > > is > > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my > > > birthdate. > > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my > > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus > > > > ascendant > > > > > than Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you share > > > > that > > > > > > with us please. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in > > > 1968. > > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar, > > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month. > > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth time > > is > > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My > > > answers > > > > > are > > > > > > below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for > > > us > > > > to > > > > > > > verify your birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to > > do > > > > > with > > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or > > teaching > > > > or > > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government > > > and > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from > > India > > > as > > > > > > well as US. > > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 I > > > > worked > > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high income > > > and > > > > > > expenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues / > > > > work > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes > > > > changed > > > > > > jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do > > your > > > > own > > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment > > > ended > > > > in > > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big > > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might > > have > > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u > > > might > > > > > have > > > > > > > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless, > > > this > > > > > > > period is very powerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in > > > > > getting > > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative > > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father > > health > > > > wise > > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon > > > > > mahadasha. > > > > > > Mother still lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of > > the > > > > > group. > > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I > > > > volunteer > > > > > my > > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > date ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u > > by > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > their understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can > > > get > > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support > > > your > > > > > > > query, > > > > > > > > even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many > > > things > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > get cleared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed > > > > approach > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > exercise, > > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay > > > caused > > > > by > > > > > > > zero > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9 > > in > > > > > > 5:9... > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the > > > > > following > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > > > > > > e.g. > > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and > > say > > > > its > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be > > giving > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in > > rasi > > > > and > > > > > > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then > > > the > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after > > > > > satrun > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in > > > lord > > > > of > > > > > D > > > > > > > or E > > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the > > > > time > > > > > it > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would > > > occur > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord > > of > > > > A, > > > > > B > > > > > > > and C > > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector > > after > > > 0 > > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring > > the > > > > age > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1 > > > and > > > > 9 > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are > > correct ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 > > > > > > positioning... > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if > > jupiter > > > is > > > > > in > > > > > > > > libra in > > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or > > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having > > > > > exactly > > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of > > > rahu, > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > > bhava or > > > > > > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus > > of > > > > > female > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would > > > be > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for > > > > picking > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more > > > thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier > > and > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay > > is > > > > > > > nullified > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is > > > > > running > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could > > have > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered > > an > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > 10% > > > > > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when > > the > > > > > native > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy > > marriage > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house > > 7. > > > So > > > > > sun > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the > > > > > second > > > > > > > > antra. > > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for > > the > > > > > > wishes > > > > > > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and > > > List > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita > > it > > > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the > > > > perfect > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many. > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > bala > > > > > > > sosale > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter > > antra > > > 2 > > > > > > > > PDF > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra > > > and > > > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for > > getting > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. > > > Hope > > > > I > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn > > > from > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart > > > please > > > > > > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 11, 2006 Dear Nalini, Thank you for your candid feedback. Yes, mostly all events are in line. I have made a typo, your career planets are Me and Ma and I had typed Me and Mo. Kindly read it as Me, Me and Ma (Me and Ma). You have said that your problems started after Venus antra ended in Ve MD. I shall look into that when I get a chance. I feel that some things might have happened in Ve/Ve that surfaced once Ve antra ended... however leave that with me, I shall study that antra in more detail. About Marriage, I had predicted 2nd sector and marriage happened in 1st sector towards the end. Total difference I was off was about a bit over 3 months. I think I have a good idea why it might have happened in the 1st sector itself. In any case, thanks for the feedback. I think the rest of the things are pretty much in the ball park. Ok, about your health, your problems have enhnaced since Sa came to Cancer. Its transitting over 0 points. Let Saturn leave Cancer so that will happen in October 2006. U can look forward also and see if it retros back into Cancer. If it does again be more careful. You must have a good immune system and in my opinion once Sa leaves cancer, things should get better for you. Your antra has good power for 6th house. Ra is SD to Me and Su. Sun is LoD for 6th. Please keep us informed how things shape up for u after october i.e when Sa crosses 1 deg into Leo. Right now your Sa and Ju points are only 5 with Shani contributing 0 points and Shani right now is over a house with 0 points which is your 2nd house. So you are feeling the brunt and things are not working in your favour at the moment. Yes, antra is powerful for u but the environment is not. Give it some time, let Shani change signs. Your points will jump to 11 i.e. Sa and Ju. That is not a small thing. U will feel the difference. Just wait and see. Keep us informed on your progress. Good Luck. Cheers !!! Ash , " auromirra19 " <nalini2818 wrote: > > > Dear Ash ji, > > Kudos for a wonderful analysis. I have confirmed the events at the > appropriate places. > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Nalini, > > You must be a brilliant person with a photographic memory and very > > knowledgeable. > > Ash ji, yes I was the top ranker at school, blessed with photographic > memory, I used to visualise the pages I read before answering at the > exams. > > You must be very helpful and undertsanding by nature and also very > > adjustive. > > True. known to be so and I think am easily adaptable. > > Your chart is setup in a peculiar way. From 2nd thru to 6th house > > the SAV points are all over 28 and from 7th thru to 10th they are > > less than 28. 11th = 12th = 28 points. > > So when transit planets travel from 2nd thru 6th continiously your > > daily points in transits will go up and then once they hit 7th hosue > > they would drop. Mostly Ve, Me and Su are close by. This is very > > generally speaking. > > > > Your profession will be linked to Mercury and Moon. Mercury and > > Moon i.e. profession giving planets are again in 10th house in Rasi > > and can indicated authority too. > > It involved banking, head of a big branch, dealing with people and > money. > > > > Your 6th house and 10th house planets are powerful except Venus and > > Saturn. So some problems can be expected in those antra. Otherwise > > your career is good. Also 9th and 10th lords are conjoining in 7th > > house and 10th lord is in 10th indicating good status and rise in > > life career wise. Only thing is that u are too nice so people might > > take advantage of your kindness. > > Yes, this has been my bete noire. > > > > So Ve/Ve antra might have given u some problems in Career. > > > > Venus 1998-Mar-14 2001-Jul-14 > > No. It was not problematic. The real trouble started in October 2001 > involving fraud- as the head of the branch I was in and out of courts, > police stations. > > > > Venus is karak for 10th house, 5th house, 1st house, 7th house and > > 12th house. So all the antras in Venus MD will be linked to the > > same, again Venus is SD to Mars who is also 6th lord and 11th lord. > > Venus is SD to Mars so some effect of that too. Venus is SD to Guru > > also so some effect of that also blending in. > > > > You also have the blessing of your father/guru. So that is good. > > That has saved me from all the dire situations. > > > > About August 2004 the problems might have started to become more > > intensed. i.e when Shani comes to last degree in Gemini and about > > to transit into Cancer. > > My health turned worse in May 2004, and since then I was constantly > being targeted by my boss. I was posted to a bigger branch full of bad > debts, court cases etc for cleaning up.I had to give up my job , I > resigned on 29th November 2004 exactly 22 years after joining the bank > on 29th Nov 1982. > > That time u were running Mars antra in > > Venus MD. Mars has less power in 5th house, 7th house and 12th > > house. Here Venus is karak for 7th and it has less power in 7th > > house so it might show some kind of accident or operation, > > especially since Sa and Ju = 5 at the same time Sa is transitting > > over 0 points and problems coming to you are related to 1st, 2nd, > > 3rd and 4th house matters. Peace of mind is gone and lots of > > worries and unnecessary worries will be there. > > I was involved in an accident, my own car dragged me 100 ft on the road > after my pallu got into the door while getting down. It was peak hour > traffic , at a junction in front of a bus stop- but strangely traffic > came to a standstill. Only after my car came back, and I got into it > everything moved- It is uncanny that nothing happened to me , not even > scratches.It was 14th or 15th of may 2002. I have been prone to > accidents, many, but never injured. > > > > > > You have started Rahu antra now and Rahu is SD to Su and Me. Rahu > > will be more like Mercury. Mercury has good power and is very > > powerful for 4th house, 8th house, 11th house and 7th house by > > virtue of being LoD and LoE. Its weak for 5th house, 9th and 12th. > > So some problems in these areas of life or say stress, so it can > > related to speculations, children, father, and pleasures. > > Yes, my worry is my children's education- my elder son who has not been > able to complete his graduation- due to relocation and here he is again > switched his subjects to Food tech. > > > > 11th v/s 12th house is showing more points for 11th than 12th so no > > stress about income as such, however 12th house points are less so > > its showing less happiness and pleasures. > > True. > > > > Regarding Marriage. > > > > Sa is in 5th hosue in navamsa showing full delay, Guru is aspecting > > Shani so moderating it, u got 1 zero in SAV. Shani is at 23deg19 > > and Sa has 0 and Sa itself is giving u blessing here. > > > > Considering all factors I feel marriage willl happen after 23 years > > of age. So mars antra runs then and Mars is weak for 7th house in > > WS so it cant give marriage. Next antra is that of Rahu. Rahu is > > in House D so its very eager to give marriage. > > > > Rahu 1983-Sep-10 1986-Mar-30 > > The antar is perfect. > > > > I feel 2nd sector will give marriage. > > > > Sector 2 1984-Jul-17 1985-May-23 > > > > and strong date as per probable date finder is > > > > Sun and Venus 31-Aug 12-Sep > > > > So in 31st Aug thru 12th sept in 1984 would be my pick. > > I got married on 9th May 1984 - 24 years > > > > Then after marriage, Rahu itself can give Conception. But here > > Venus is with Mars and aspected by Rahu so its showing some issues > > some miscarriage or cesearean child birth. > > I had my first son on 1st May 1985, a normal delivery but use of forceps > was there.There were two miscarriages after wards. > > Mars itslef is also 11th > > lord and aspected by Rahu. So again showing that. 5th house points > > for Me are weak (Rahu) but 11th is strong. So I am getting some > > question here. > > Next antra is that of Ju and that will give conception. > > My second son was born on 29th June 1988. > > > > Ok, I am out of time. > > Thank you, Ash ji for the detailed,brilliant analysis. I shall use it > for study. > > Nalini > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " auromirra19 " > > nalini2818@ wrote: > > > > > > {Om Namo Narayanaya} > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can you > > > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its > > what > > > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very > > meticulous. > > > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute > > > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and is on > > > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson for > > me > > > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required. > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Nalini > > > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In > > > , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in > > > order > > > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly based > > on > > > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of > > > change > > > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some > > > stress > > > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once u > > > gave > > > > the correct Mahadasha. > > > > > > > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence. > > > > > > > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball > > > park, > > > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 events 8 > > > or > > > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is > > > working > > > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked > > > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as > > > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS. > > > > > > > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is based > > on > > > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or > > > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, can > > > be > > > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique. > > > > > > > > That to me is science. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > , Ash <ashsam73@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > > > My answers in CAPS below. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I > > do > > > > not have any system or rules that I propose. > > > > > > > > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A > > > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES > > ONE > > > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM > > U > > > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS > > > GIVES > > > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER > > > THAT > > > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO > > CONVEY > > > IS > > > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A > > > SCIENCE. > > > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE? > > > > > > > > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles > > > and > > > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when > > > applied > > > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my > > > chart > > > > is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT > > > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR > > > SOME > > > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW > > SAY > > > IF > > > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS > > > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT > > > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS > > > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE > > > SEEN > > > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT > > MATCH. > > > I > > > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME > > > EVENT > > > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE > > > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL > > > GET > > > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY > > IS > > > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA. > > > > > > > > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH > > OR > > > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE > > > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE > > > WILL > > > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING > > > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND > > > > PARCEL OF IT. > > > > > > > > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate > > > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY > > > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA > > IS > > > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK > > > AT > > > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U > > HAVE > > > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE > > > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE > > IN > > > > KAS. > > > > > > > > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE > > > > OVERLOOKED. > > > > > > > > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN, > > > AND > > > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT > > > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL > > LEARN > > > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is > > > comfortable > > > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based > > on > > > > the > > > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study > > > the > > > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume > > > that > > > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart > > to > > > > > unfold it in a systematic manner. > > > > > > > > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I > > > can > > > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer > > > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of > > > fixed > > > > > rules? > > > > > > > > > > Please reply. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967. > > > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969. > > > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976. > > > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974. > > > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966. > > > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968. > > > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that > > can > > > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not change > > > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a > > > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata > > > and > > > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably > > > > thousands > > > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want > > to > > > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at > > > my > > > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it > > > seems > > > > to > > > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing > > > > that > > > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I > > > > > should mention what I have found. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts, > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park, > > > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of > > your > > > > life > > > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system. > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a > > > happy > > > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your > > > > marriage > > > > > > might have happened after 24 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th > > > birthday > > > > > i.e > > > > > > after nov 28th 1968. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper > > between > > > > > 18th > > > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves > > > Ju/Ketu. > > > > So > > > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec > > > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec > > > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first > > strong > > > > > antra > > > > > > after delay period is over. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07 > > > > > > > > > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, > > the > > > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range. > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the > > > prior > > > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of > > one > > > > > antra > > > > > > and start of the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth > > > > time > > > > > is > > > > > > in ball park. > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge > > the > > > > > month > > > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will > > be > > > > > very > > > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many > > > > events > > > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and > > > nakshtras. > > > > > > > > > > > > A good exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is > > > > approximately > > > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening. > > > Then > > > > it > > > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have > > > is > > > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my > > > > birthdate. > > > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my > > > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus > > > > > ascendant > > > > > > than Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you > > share > > > > > that > > > > > > > with us please. > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in > > > > 1968. > > > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar, > > > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month. > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth > > time > > > is > > > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My > > > > answers > > > > > > are > > > > > > > below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events > > for > > > > us > > > > > to > > > > > > > > verify your birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something > > to > > > do > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or > > > teaching > > > > > or > > > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or > > government > > > > and > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to > > the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from > > > India > > > > as > > > > > > > well as US. > > > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 > > I > > > > > worked > > > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high > > income > > > > and > > > > > > > expenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from > > collegues / > > > > > work > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes > > > > > changed > > > > > > > jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do > > > your > > > > > own > > > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment > > > > ended > > > > > in > > > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own > > business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some > > big > > > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might > > > have > > > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u > > > > might > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > started your own business during this time. > > Nevertheless, > > > > this > > > > > > > > period is very powerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental > > in > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very > > lucrative > > > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father > > > health > > > > > wise > > > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon > > > > > > mahadasha. > > > > > > > Mother still lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of > > > the > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I > > > > > volunteer > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out > > my > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > date ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your > > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping > > u > > > by > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > their understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things > > can > > > > get > > > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to > > support > > > > your > > > > > > > > query, > > > > > > > > > even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many > > > > things > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > get cleared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed > > > > > approach > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > exercise, > > > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay > > > > caused > > > > > by > > > > > > > > zero > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and > > 9 > > > in > > > > > > > 5:9... > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > > > > > > > e.g. > > > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and > > > say > > > > > its > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be > > > giving > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in > > > rasi > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E > > then > > > > the > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector > > after > > > > > > satrun > > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in > > > > lord > > > > > of > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > or E > > > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till > > the > > > > > time > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would > > > > occur > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the > > lord > > > of > > > > > A, > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > and C > > > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector > > > after > > > > 0 > > > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring > > > the > > > > > age > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of > > 1 > > > > and > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor > > opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are > > > correct ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 > > > > > > > positioning... > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if > > > jupiter > > > > is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > libra in > > > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or > > > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its > > having > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of > > > > rahu, > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > bhava or > > > > > > > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus > > > of > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu > > would > > > > be > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for > > > > > picking > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more > > > > thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier > > > and > > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay > > > is > > > > > > > > nullified > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he > > is > > > > > > running > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could > > > have > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I > > considered > > > an > > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > 10% > > > > > > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when > > > the > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy > > > marriage > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house > > > 7. > > > > So > > > > > > sun > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good > > points > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to > > the > > > > > > second > > > > > > > > > antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for > > > the > > > > > > > wishes > > > > > > > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier > > and > > > > List > > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. > > Gita > > > it > > > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the > > > > > perfect > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , > > > > > bala > > > > > > > > sosale > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter > > > antra > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > PDF > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct > > antra > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for > > > getting > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. > > > > Hope > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can > > learn > > > > from > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for this > > > > > Native? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel > > in > > > > one > > > > > > > click > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 11, 2006 Dear Ash, I was wondering if you had a chance to look at my chart after I provided some more events. Do you think it calls for a birthtime rectification? Can you also shed some light on when my current bleak financial situation is scheduled to improve? With Regards, Pratap ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Nalini, Thank you for your candid feedback. Yes, mostly all events are in line. I have made a typo, your career planets are Me and Ma and I had typed Me and Mo. Kindly read it as Me, Me and Ma (Me and Ma). You have said that your problems started after Venus antra ended in Ve MD. I shall look into that when I get a chance. I feel that some things might have happened in Ve/Ve that surfaced once Ve antra ended... however leave that with me, I shall study that antra in more detail. About Marriage, I had predicted 2nd sector and marriage happened in 1st sector towards the end. Total difference I was off was about a bit over 3 months. I think I have a good idea why it might have happened in the 1st sector itself. In any case, thanks for the feedback. I think the rest of the things are pretty much in the ball park. Ok, about your health, your problems have enhnaced since Sa came to Cancer. Its transitting over 0 points. Let Saturn leave Cancer so that will happen in October 2006. U can look forward also and see if it retros back into Cancer. If it does again be more careful. You must have a good immune system and in my opinion once Sa leaves cancer, things should get better for you. Your antra has good power for 6th house. Ra is SD to Me and Su. Sun is LoD for 6th. Please keep us informed how things shape up for u after october i.e when Sa crosses 1 deg into Leo. Right now your Sa and Ju points are only 5 with Shani contributing 0 points and Shani right now is over a house with 0 points which is your 2nd house. So you are feeling the brunt and things are not working in your favour at the moment. Yes, antra is powerful for u but the environment is not. Give it some time, let Shani change signs. Your points will jump to 11 i.e. Sa and Ju. That is not a small thing. U will feel the difference. Just wait and see. Keep us informed on your progress. Good Luck. Cheers !!! Ash , " auromirra19 " wrote: > > > Dear Ash ji, > > Kudos for a wonderful analysis. I have confirmed the events at the > appropriate places. > , " ashsam73 " > wrote: > > > > Dear Nalini, > > You must be a brilliant person with a photographic memory and very > > knowledgeable. > > Ash ji, yes I was the top ranker at school, blessed with photographic > memory, I used to visualise the pages I read before answering at the > exams. > > You must be very helpful and undertsanding by nature and also very > > adjustive. > > True. known to be so and I think am easily adaptable. > > Your chart is setup in a peculiar way. From 2nd thru to 6th house > > the SAV points are all over 28 and from 7th thru to 10th they are > > less than 28. 11th = 12th = 28 points. > > So when transit planets travel from 2nd thru 6th continiously your > > daily points in transits will go up and then once they hit 7th hosue > > they would drop. Mostly Ve, Me and Su are close by. This is very > > generally speaking. > > > > Your profession will be linked to Mercury and Moon. Mercury and > > Moon i.e. profession giving planets are again in 10th house in Rasi > > and can indicated authority too. > > It involved banking, head of a big branch, dealing with people and > money. > > > > Your 6th house and 10th house planets are powerful except Venus and > > Saturn. So some problems can be expected in those antra. Otherwise > > your career is good. Also 9th and 10th lords are conjoining in 7th > > house and 10th lord is in 10th indicating good status and rise in > > life career wise. Only thing is that u are too nice so people might > > take advantage of your kindness. > > Yes, this has been my bete noire. > > > > So Ve/Ve antra might have given u some problems in Career. > > > > Venus 1998-Mar-14 2001-Jul-14 > > No. It was not problematic. The real trouble started in October 2001 > involving fraud- as the head of the branch I was in and out of courts, > police stations. > > > > Venus is karak for 10th house, 5th house, 1st house, 7th house and > > 12th house. So all the antras in Venus MD will be linked to the > > same, again Venus is SD to Mars who is also 6th lord and 11th lord. > > Venus is SD to Mars so some effect of that too. Venus is SD to Guru > > also so some effect of that also blending in. > > > > You also have the blessing of your father/guru. So that is good. > > That has saved me from all the dire situations. > > > > About August 2004 the problems might have started to become more > > intensed. i.e when Shani comes to last degree in Gemini and about > > to transit into Cancer. > > My health turned worse in May 2004, and since then I was constantly > being targeted by my boss. I was posted to a bigger branch full of bad > debts, court cases etc for cleaning up.I had to give up my job , I > resigned on 29th November 2004 exactly 22 years after joining the bank > on 29th Nov 1982. > > That time u were running Mars antra in > > Venus MD. Mars has less power in 5th house, 7th house and 12th > > house. Here Venus is karak for 7th and it has less power in 7th > > house so it might show some kind of accident or operation, > > especially since Sa and Ju = 5 at the same time Sa is transitting > > over 0 points and problems coming to you are related to 1st, 2nd, > > 3rd and 4th house matters. Peace of mind is gone and lots of > > worries and unnecessary worries will be there. > > I was involved in an accident, my own car dragged me 100 ft on the road > after my pallu got into the door while getting down. It was peak hour > traffic , at a junction in front of a bus stop- but strangely traffic > came to a standstill. Only after my car came back, and I got into it > everything moved- It is uncanny that nothing happened to me , not even > scratches.It was 14th or 15th of may 2002. I have been prone to > accidents, many, but never injured. > > > > > > You have started Rahu antra now and Rahu is SD to Su and Me. Rahu > > will be more like Mercury. Mercury has good power and is very > > powerful for 4th house, 8th house, 11th house and 7th house by > > virtue of being LoD and LoE. Its weak for 5th house, 9th and 12th. > > So some problems in these areas of life or say stress, so it can > > related to speculations, children, father, and pleasures. > > Yes, my worry is my children's education- my elder son who has not been > able to complete his graduation- due to relocation and here he is again > switched his subjects to Food tech. > > > > 11th v/s 12th house is showing more points for 11th than 12th so no > > stress about income as such, however 12th house points are less so > > its showing less happiness and pleasures. > > True. > > > > Regarding Marriage. > > > > Sa is in 5th hosue in navamsa showing full delay, Guru is aspecting > > Shani so moderating it, u got 1 zero in SAV. Shani is at 23deg19 > > and Sa has 0 and Sa itself is giving u blessing here. > > > > Considering all factors I feel marriage willl happen after 23 years > > of age. So mars antra runs then and Mars is weak for 7th house in > > WS so it cant give marriage. Next antra is that of Rahu. Rahu is > > in House D so its very eager to give marriage. > > > > Rahu 1983-Sep-10 1986-Mar-30 > > The antar is perfect. > > > > I feel 2nd sector will give marriage. > > > > Sector 2 1984-Jul-17 1985-May-23 > > > > and strong date as per probable date finder is > > > > Sun and Venus 31-Aug 12-Sep > > > > So in 31st Aug thru 12th sept in 1984 would be my pick. > > I got married on 9th May 1984 - 24 years > > > > Then after marriage, Rahu itself can give Conception. But here > > Venus is with Mars and aspected by Rahu so its showing some issues > > some miscarriage or cesearean child birth. > > I had my first son on 1st May 1985, a normal delivery but use of forceps > was there.There were two miscarriages after wards. > > Mars itslef is also 11th > > lord and aspected by Rahu. So again showing that. 5th house points > > for Me are weak (Rahu) but 11th is strong. So I am getting some > > question here. > > Next antra is that of Ju and that will give conception. > > My second son was born on 29th June 1988. > > > > Ok, I am out of time. > > Thank you, Ash ji for the detailed,brilliant analysis. I shall use it > for study. > > Nalini > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " auromirra19 " > > nalini2818@ wrote: > > > > > > {Om Namo Narayanaya} > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can you > > > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its > > what > > > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very > > meticulous. > > > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute > > > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and is on > > > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson for > > me > > > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required. > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Nalini > > > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in > > > order > > > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly based > > on > > > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of > > > change > > > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some > > > stress > > > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once u > > > gave > > > > the correct Mahadasha. > > > > > > > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence. > > > > > > > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball > > > park, > > > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 events 8 > > > or > > > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is > > > working > > > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked > > > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as > > > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS. > > > > > > > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is based > > on > > > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or > > > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, can > > > be > > > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique. > > > > > > > > That to me is science. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > , Ash > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > > > My answers in CAPS below. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria wrote: > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I > > do > > > > not have any system or rules that I propose. > > > > > > > > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A > > > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES > > ONE > > > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM > > U > > > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS > > > GIVES > > > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER > > > THAT > > > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO > > CONVEY > > > IS > > > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A > > > SCIENCE. > > > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE? > > > > > > > > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles > > > and > > > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when > > > applied > > > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my > > > chart > > > > is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT > > > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR > > > SOME > > > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW > > SAY > > > IF > > > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS > > > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT > > > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS > > > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE > > > SEEN > > > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT > > MATCH. > > > I > > > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME > > > EVENT > > > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE > > > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL > > > GET > > > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY > > IS > > > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA. > > > > > > > > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH > > OR > > > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE > > > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE > > > WILL > > > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING > > > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND > > > > PARCEL OF IT. > > > > > > > > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate > > > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY > > > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA > > IS > > > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK > > > AT > > > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U > > HAVE > > > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE > > > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE > > IN > > > > KAS. > > > > > > > > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE > > > > OVERLOOKED. > > > > > > > > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN, > > > AND > > > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT > > > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL > > LEARN > > > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is > > > comfortable > > > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based > > on > > > > the > > > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study > > > the > > > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume > > > that > > > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart > > to > > > > > unfold it in a systematic manner. > > > > > > > > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I > > > can > > > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer > > > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of > > > fixed > > > > > rules? > > > > > > > > > > Please reply. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967. > > > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969. > > > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976. > > > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974. > > > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966. > > > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968. > > > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that > > can > > > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not change > > > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a > > > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata > > > and > > > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably > > > > thousands > > > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want > > to > > > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at > > > my > > > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it > > > seems > > > > to > > > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing > > > > that > > > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I > > > > > should mention what I have found. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts, > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park, > > > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of > > your > > > > life > > > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system. > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a > > > happy > > > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your > > > > marriage > > > > > > might have happened after 24 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th > > > birthday > > > > > i.e > > > > > > after nov 28th 1968. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper > > between > > > > > 18th > > > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves > > > Ju/Ketu. > > > > So > > > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec > > > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec > > > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first > > strong > > > > > antra > > > > > > after delay period is over. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07 > > > > > > > > > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, > > the > > > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range. > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the > > > prior > > > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of > > one > > > > > antra > > > > > > and start of the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth > > > > time > > > > > is > > > > > > in ball park. > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge > > the > > > > > month > > > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will > > be > > > > > very > > > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many > > > > events > > > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and > > > nakshtras. > > > > > > > > > > > > A good exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is > > > > approximately > > > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening. > > > Then > > > > it > > > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have > > > is > > > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my > > > > birthdate. > > > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my > > > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus > > > > > ascendant > > > > > > than Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you > > share > > > > > that > > > > > > > with us please. > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in > > > > 1968. > > > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar, > > > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month. > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth > > time > > > is > > > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My > > > > answers > > > > > > are > > > > > > > below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events > > for > > > > us > > > > > to > > > > > > > > verify your birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something > > to > > > do > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or > > > teaching > > > > > or > > > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or > > government > > > > and > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to > > the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from > > > India > > > > as > > > > > > > well as US. > > > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 > > I > > > > > worked > > > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high > > income > > > > and > > > > > > > expenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from > > collegues / > > > > > work > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes > > > > > changed > > > > > > > jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do > > > your > > > > > own > > > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment > > > > ended > > > > > in > > > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own > > business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some > > big > > > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might > > > have > > > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u > > > > might > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > started your own business during this time. > > Nevertheless, > > > > this > > > > > > > > period is very powerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental > > in > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very > > lucrative > > > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father > > > health > > > > > wise > > > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon > > > > > > mahadasha. > > > > > > > Mother still lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of > > > the > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I > > > > > volunteer > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out > > my > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > date ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your > > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping > > u > > > by > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > their understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things > > can > > > > get > > > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to > > support > > > > your > > > > > > > > query, > > > > > > > > > even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many > > > > things > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > get cleared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed > > > > > approach > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > exercise, > > > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay > > > > caused > > > > > by > > > > > > > > zero > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and > > 9 > > > in > > > > > > > 5:9... > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > > > > > > > e.g. > > > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and > > > say > > > > > its > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be > > > giving > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in > > > rasi > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E > > then > > > > the > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector > > after > > > > > > satrun > > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in > > > > lord > > > > > of > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > or E > > > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till > > the > > > > > time > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would > > > > occur > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the > > lord > > > of > > > > > A, > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > and C > > > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector > > > after > > > > 0 > > > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring > > > the > > > > > age > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of > > 1 > > > > and > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor > > opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are > > > correct ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 > > > > > > > positioning... > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if > > > jupiter > > > > is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > libra in > > > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or > > > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its > > having > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of > > > > rahu, > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > bhava or > > > > > > > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus > > > of > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu > > would > > > > be > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for > > > > > picking > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more > > > > thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier > > > and > > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay > > > is > > > > > > > > nullified > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he > > is > > > > > > running > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could > > > have > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I > > considered > > > an > > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > 10% > > > > > > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when > > > the > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy > > > marriage > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house > > > 7. > > > > So > > > > > > sun > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good > > points > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to > > the > > > > > > second > > > > > > > > > antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for > > > the > > > > > > > wishes > > > > > > > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier > > and > > > > List > > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. > > Gita > > > it > > > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the > > > > > perfect > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , > > > > > bala > > > > > > > > sosale > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter > > > antra > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > PDF > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct > > antra > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for > > > getting > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. > > > > Hope > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can > > learn > > > > from > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 11, 2006 Dear Pratap, I do not agree with the term bleak w.r.t your financial status. You chart by no means is of averge income. Yes, you can say that you are experiencing more expenses than income in Venus antra. Ve has 17 points in 11th and 19 points in 12th. So more expenses. Next antra is of Sun. That too is showing similar trend. More expenses than income. Then come moon antra. That is reverse. You will have more income than expense. In all cases you are also making investment and hence u might be feeling the pinch. There after MD changes. Some life changing events will happen. I am not narrowing it to particular time frame per say as there might be some diff in time.. but sticking to ball park. We can come to Guru MD when the time comes closer. In moon antra u will face some worries. Right now your sa and ju points are 7. Once they change signs your poitns go to 8. So my suggestion is to hang in there. You situation according to me is not critical. You have made good investments and decisions in your life so atleast with this birth chart I don't see any bleakness. Cheers !!! Ash , Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > I was wondering if you had a chance to look at my chart after I provided some more events. Do you think it calls for a birthtime rectification? Can you also shed some light on when my current bleak financial situation is scheduled to improve? > > With Regards, > > Pratap > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Nalini, > Thank you for your candid feedback. Yes, mostly all events are in > line. I have made a typo, your career planets are Me and Ma and I > had typed Me and Mo. Kindly read it as Me, Me and Ma (Me and Ma). > > You have said that your problems started after Venus antra ended in > Ve MD. I shall look into that when I get a chance. I feel that > some things might have happened in Ve/Ve that surfaced once Ve antra > ended... however leave that with me, I shall study that antra in > more detail. > > About Marriage, I had predicted 2nd sector and marriage happened in > 1st sector towards the end. Total difference I was off was about a > bit over 3 months. I think I have a good idea why it might have > happened in the 1st sector itself. In any case, thanks for the > feedback. > > I think the rest of the things are pretty much in the ball park. > > Ok, about your health, your problems have enhnaced since Sa came to > Cancer. Its transitting over 0 points. Let Saturn leave Cancer so > that will happen in October 2006. U can look forward also and see > if it retros back into Cancer. If it does again be more careful. > > You must have a good immune system and in my opinion once Sa leaves > cancer, things should get better for you. Your antra has good power > for 6th house. Ra is SD to Me and Su. Sun is LoD for 6th. > > Please keep us informed how things shape up for u after october i.e > when Sa crosses 1 deg into Leo. > > Right now your Sa and Ju points are only 5 with Shani contributing 0 > points and Shani right now is over a house with 0 points which is > your 2nd house. So you are feeling the brunt and things are not > working in your favour at the moment. Yes, antra is powerful for u > but the environment is not. > > Give it some time, let Shani change signs. Your points will jump to > 11 i.e. Sa and Ju. That is not a small thing. U will feel the > difference. Just wait and see. Keep us informed on your progress. > > Good Luck. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " auromirra19 " > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > Kudos for a wonderful analysis. I have confirmed the events at the > > appropriate places. > > , " ashsam73 " > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Nalini, > > > You must be a brilliant person with a photographic memory and > very > > > knowledgeable. > > > > Ash ji, yes I was the top ranker at school, blessed with > photographic > > memory, I used to visualise the pages I read before answering at > the > > exams. > > > You must be very helpful and undertsanding by nature and also > very > > > adjustive. > > > > True. known to be so and I think am easily adaptable. > > > Your chart is setup in a peculiar way. From 2nd thru to 6th house > > > the SAV points are all over 28 and from 7th thru to 10th they are > > > less than 28. 11th = 12th = 28 points. > > > So when transit planets travel from 2nd thru 6th continiously > your > > > daily points in transits will go up and then once they hit 7th > hosue > > > they would drop. Mostly Ve, Me and Su are close by. This is very > > > generally speaking. > > > > > > Your profession will be linked to Mercury and Moon. Mercury and > > > Moon i.e. profession giving planets are again in 10th house in > Rasi > > > and can indicated authority too. > > > > It involved banking, head of a big branch, dealing with people and > > money. > > > > > > Your 6th house and 10th house planets are powerful except Venus > and > > > Saturn. So some problems can be expected in those antra. > Otherwise > > > your career is good. Also 9th and 10th lords are conjoining in > 7th > > > house and 10th lord is in 10th indicating good status and rise in > > > life career wise. Only thing is that u are too nice so people > might > > > take advantage of your kindness. > > > > Yes, this has been my bete noire. > > > > > > So Ve/Ve antra might have given u some problems in Career. > > > > > > Venus 1998-Mar-14 2001-Jul-14 > > > > No. It was not problematic. The real trouble started in October > 2001 > > involving fraud- as the head of the branch I was in and out of > courts, > > police stations. > > > > > > Venus is karak for 10th house, 5th house, 1st house, 7th house > and > > > 12th house. So all the antras in Venus MD will be linked to the > > > same, again Venus is SD to Mars who is also 6th lord and 11th > lord. > > > Venus is SD to Mars so some effect of that too. Venus is SD to > Guru > > > also so some effect of that also blending in. > > > > > > You also have the blessing of your father/guru. So that is good. > > > > That has saved me from all the dire situations. > > > > > > About August 2004 the problems might have started to become more > > > intensed. i.e when Shani comes to last degree in Gemini and about > > > to transit into Cancer. > > > > My health turned worse in May 2004, and since then I was constantly > > being targeted by my boss. I was posted to a bigger branch full of > bad > > debts, court cases etc for cleaning up.I had to give up my job , I > > resigned on 29th November 2004 exactly 22 years after joining the > bank > > on 29th Nov 1982. > > > > That time u were running Mars antra in > > > Venus MD. Mars has less power in 5th house, 7th house and 12th > > > house. Here Venus is karak for 7th and it has less power in 7th > > > house so it might show some kind of accident or operation, > > > especially since Sa and Ju = 5 at the same time Sa is transitting > > > over 0 points and problems coming to you are related to 1st, 2nd, > > > 3rd and 4th house matters. Peace of mind is gone and lots of > > > worries and unnecessary worries will be there. > > > > I was involved in an accident, my own car dragged me 100 ft on the > road > > after my pallu got into the door while getting down. It was peak > hour > > traffic , at a junction in front of a bus stop- but strangely > traffic > > came to a standstill. Only after my car came back, and I got into > it > > everything moved- It is uncanny that nothing happened to me , not > even > > scratches.It was 14th or 15th of may 2002. I have been prone to > > accidents, many, but never injured. > > > > > > > > > > You have started Rahu antra now and Rahu is SD to Su and Me. Rahu > > > will be more like Mercury. Mercury has good power and is very > > > powerful for 4th house, 8th house, 11th house and 7th house by > > > virtue of being LoD and LoE. Its weak for 5th house, 9th and > 12th. > > > So some problems in these areas of life or say stress, so it can > > > related to speculations, children, father, and pleasures. > > > > Yes, my worry is my children's education- my elder son who has not > been > > able to complete his graduation- due to relocation and here he is > again > > switched his subjects to Food tech. > > > > > > 11th v/s 12th house is showing more points for 11th than 12th so > no > > > stress about income as such, however 12th house points are less > so > > > its showing less happiness and pleasures. > > > > True. > > > > > > Regarding Marriage. > > > > > > Sa is in 5th hosue in navamsa showing full delay, Guru is > aspecting > > > Shani so moderating it, u got 1 zero in SAV. Shani is at 23deg19 > > > and Sa has 0 and Sa itself is giving u blessing here. > > > > > > Considering all factors I feel marriage willl happen after 23 > years > > > of age. So mars antra runs then and Mars is weak for 7th house in > > > WS so it cant give marriage. Next antra is that of Rahu. Rahu is > > > in House D so its very eager to give marriage. > > > > > > Rahu 1983-Sep-10 1986-Mar-30 > > > > The antar is perfect. > > > > > > I feel 2nd sector will give marriage. > > > > > > Sector 2 1984-Jul-17 1985-May-23 > > > > > > and strong date as per probable date finder is > > > > > > Sun and Venus 31-Aug 12-Sep > > > > > > So in 31st Aug thru 12th sept in 1984 would be my pick. > > > > I got married on 9th May 1984 - 24 years > > > > > > Then after marriage, Rahu itself can give Conception. But here > > > Venus is with Mars and aspected by Rahu so its showing some > issues > > > some miscarriage or cesearean child birth. > > > > I had my first son on 1st May 1985, a normal delivery but use of > forceps > > was there.There were two miscarriages after wards. > > > > Mars itslef is also 11th > > > lord and aspected by Rahu. So again showing that. 5th house > points > > > for Me are weak (Rahu) but 11th is strong. So I am getting some > > > question here. > > > Next antra is that of Ju and that will give conception. > > > > My second son was born on 29th June 1988. > > > > > > Ok, I am out of time. > > > Thank you, Ash ji for the detailed,brilliant analysis. I shall > use it > > for study. > > > > Nalini > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " auromirra19 " > > > nalini2818@ wrote: > > > > > > > > {Om Namo Narayanaya} > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can > you > > > > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its > > > what > > > > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very > > > meticulous. > > > > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute > > > > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and > is on > > > > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson > for > > > me > > > > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Nalini > > > > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in > > > > order > > > > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly > based > > > on > > > > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of > > > > change > > > > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some > > > > stress > > > > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once > u > > > > gave > > > > > the correct Mahadasha. > > > > > > > > > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence. > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball > > > > park, > > > > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 > events 8 > > > > or > > > > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is > > > > working > > > > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked > > > > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as > > > > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS. > > > > > > > > > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is > based > > > on > > > > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or > > > > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, > can > > > > be > > > > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique. > > > > > > > > > > That to me is science. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > , Ash > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > > > > > My answers in CAPS below. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to > say. I > > > do > > > > > not have any system or rules that I propose. > > > > > > > > > > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A > > > > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES > > > ONE > > > > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE > SYSTEM > > > U > > > > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE > ALWYS > > > > GIVES > > > > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS > PER > > > > THAT > > > > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO > > > CONVEY > > > > IS > > > > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A > > > > SCIENCE. > > > > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE? > > > > > > > > > > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles > > > > and > > > > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when > > > > applied > > > > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my > > > > chart > > > > > is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT > > > > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW > OR > > > > SOME > > > > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW > > > SAY > > > > IF > > > > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS > > > > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE > NOT > > > > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS > > > > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY > EXPERIENCE > > > > SEEN > > > > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT > > > MATCH. > > > > I > > > > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME > > > > EVENT > > > > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT > ONE > > > > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH > WILL > > > > GET > > > > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK > BY > > > IS > > > > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA. > > > > > > > > > > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH > > > OR > > > > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY > WE > > > > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN > LIFE > > > > WILL > > > > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND > USING > > > > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND > > > > > PARCEL OF IT. > > > > > > > > > > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate > > > > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY > > > > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS > AYANAMSA > > > IS > > > > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A > LOOK > > > > AT > > > > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U > > > HAVE > > > > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN > JUDGE > > > > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET > CONFIDENCE > > > IN > > > > > KAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE > > > > > OVERLOOKED. > > > > > > > > > > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE > GIVEN, > > > > AND > > > > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED > THAT > > > > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL > > > LEARN > > > > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is > > > > comfortable > > > > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, > based > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to > study > > > > the > > > > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I > assume > > > > that > > > > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each > chart > > > to > > > > > > unfold it in a systematic manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so > that I > > > > can > > > > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer > > > > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of > > > > fixed > > > > > > rules? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will > help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967. > > > > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969. > > > > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976. > > > > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974. > > > > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June > 1966. > > > > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968. > > > > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that > > > can > > > > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not > change > > > > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends > on a > > > > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, > birthdata > > > > and > > > > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably > > > > > thousands > > > > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not > want > > > to > > > > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently > looked at > > > > my > > > > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it > > > > seems > > > > > to > > > > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not > proposing > > > > > that > > > > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I > thought I > > > > > > should mention what I have found. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball > park, > > > > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of > > > your > > > > > life > > > > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not > a > > > > happy > > > > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > might have happened after 24 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th > > > > birthday > > > > > > i.e > > > > > > > after nov 28th 1968. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper > > > between > > > > > > 18th > > > > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves > > > > Ju/Ketu. > > > > > So > > > > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec > > > > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec > > > > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first > > > strong > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > after delay period is over. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, > > > the > > > > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in > the > > > > prior > > > > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of > > > one > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > and start of the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your > birth > > > > > time > > > > > > is > > > > > > > in ball park. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge > > > the > > > > > > month > > > > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs > will > > > be > > > > > > very > > > > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , > many > > > > > events > > > > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and > > > > nakshtras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is > > > > > approximately > > > > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late > evening. > > > > Then > > > > > it > > > > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I > have > > > > is > > > > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my > > > > > birthdate. > > > > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add > that my > > > > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with > Taurus > > > > > > ascendant > > > > > > > than Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you > > > share > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > with us please. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married > in > > > > > 1968. > > > > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month. > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth > > > time > > > > is > > > > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My > > > > > answers > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some > events > > > for > > > > > us > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > verify your birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. > Something > > > to > > > > do > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or > > > > teaching > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or > > > government > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to > > > the > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from > > > > India > > > > > as > > > > > > > > well as US. > > > > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since > 1986 > > > I > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high > > > income > > > > > and > > > > > > > > expenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from > > > collegues / > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health > issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. > Yes > > > > > > changed > > > > > > > > jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also > do > > > > your > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting > assignment > > > > > ended > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own > > > business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken > some > > > big > > > > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also > might > > > > have > > > > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder > if u > > > > > might > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > started your own business during this time. > > > Nevertheless, > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > period is very powerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was > instrumental > > > in > > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very > > > lucrative > > > > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec > 1996. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father > > > > health > > > > > > wise > > > > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in > Moon > > > > > > > mahadasha. > > > > > > > > Mother still lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > Pratap > > > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails > of > > > > the > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I > > > > > > volunteer > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, > 21N44. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure > out > > > my > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > date ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of > your > > > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion > helping > > > u > > > > by > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > their understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many > things > > > can > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to > > > support > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > query, > > > > > > > > > > even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so > many > > > > > things > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > get cleared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for > detailed > > > > > > approach > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > exercise, > > > > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the > delay > > > > > caused > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > zero > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 > and > > > 9 > > > > in > > > > > > > > 5:9... > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about > the > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > > > > > > > > e.g. > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. > and > > > > say > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be > > > > giving > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined > in > > > > rasi > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E > > > then > > > > > the > > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector > > > after > > > > > > > satrun > > > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if > saturn in > > > > > lord > > > > > > of > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > or E > > > > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered > till > > > the > > > > > > time > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event > would > > > > > occur > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the > > > lord > > > > of > > > > > > A, > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > > and C > > > > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector > > > > after > > > > > 0 > > > > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled > bring > > > > the > > > > > > age > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord > of > > > 1 > > > > > and > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor > > > opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are > > > > correct ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 > > > > > > > > positioning... > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if > > > > jupiter > > > > > is > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > libra in > > > > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or > > > > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its > > > having > > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the > aspects of > > > > > rahu, > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are > seen > > > > > from > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > bhava or > > > > > > > > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to > venus > > > > of > > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu > > > would > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV > for > > > > > > picking > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more > > > > > thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in > line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, > Xavier > > > > and > > > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter > delay > > > > is > > > > > > > > > nullified > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when > he > > > is > > > > > > > running > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and > could > > > > have > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I > > > considered > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > > 10% > > > > > > > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 > when > > > > the > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy > > > > marriage > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from > house > > > > 7. > > > > > So > > > > > > > sun > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power > for > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good > > > points > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage > to > > > the > > > > > > > second > > > > > > > > > > antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks > for > > > > the > > > > > > > > wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier > > > and > > > > > List > > > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. > > > Gita > > > > it > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to > the > > > > > > perfect > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for > many. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this > puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , > > > > > > bala > > > > > > > > > sosale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter > > > > antra > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > > PDF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct > > > antra > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for > > > > getting > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying > this. > > > > > Hope > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can > > > learn > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this > chart > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 11, 2006 Dear Ash, Thanks. You are right about more expenses than income. Income is practically zero and expenses are same. So I have to wait till Rahu-Moon which will begin sometime in June next year. Yes. I am making investments in education. I am studying and collecting certificates at this time which does not seem to help right now. I am wondering if I ever will be able to retire? I am looking forward to time latter this year when Saturn, Guru and Rahu change signs. May be that will bring some better time for me. It is not that I am going without eating anyday but I constantly worry about financial situation in old age. One of my dream that never came true is to be able to return to India for ever. Can you elaborate little bit about 'life changing events' in Guru Mahadasha? With Warm Regards, Pratap ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Pratap, I do not agree with the term bleak w.r.t your financial status. You chart by no means is of averge income. Yes, you can say that you are experiencing more expenses than income in Venus antra. Ve has 17 points in 11th and 19 points in 12th. So more expenses. Next antra is of Sun. That too is showing similar trend. More expenses than income. Then come moon antra. That is reverse. You will have more income than expense. In all cases you are also making investment and hence u might be feeling the pinch. There after MD changes. Some life changing events will happen. I am not narrowing it to particular time frame per say as there might be some diff in time.. but sticking to ball park. We can come to Guru MD when the time comes closer. In moon antra u will face some worries. Right now your sa and ju points are 7. Once they change signs your poitns go to 8. So my suggestion is to hang in there. You situation according to me is not critical. You have made good investments and decisions in your life so atleast with this birth chart I don't see any bleakness. Cheers !!! Ash , Pratap Kaneria wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > I was wondering if you had a chance to look at my chart after I provided some more events. Do you think it calls for a birthtime rectification? Can you also shed some light on when my current bleak financial situation is scheduled to improve? > > With Regards, > > Pratap > > ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Nalini, > Thank you for your candid feedback. Yes, mostly all events are in > line. I have made a typo, your career planets are Me and Ma and I > had typed Me and Mo. Kindly read it as Me, Me and Ma (Me and Ma). > > You have said that your problems started after Venus antra ended in > Ve MD. I shall look into that when I get a chance. I feel that > some things might have happened in Ve/Ve that surfaced once Ve antra > ended... however leave that with me, I shall study that antra in > more detail. > > About Marriage, I had predicted 2nd sector and marriage happened in > 1st sector towards the end. Total difference I was off was about a > bit over 3 months. I think I have a good idea why it might have > happened in the 1st sector itself. In any case, thanks for the > feedback. > > I think the rest of the things are pretty much in the ball park. > > Ok, about your health, your problems have enhnaced since Sa came to > Cancer. Its transitting over 0 points. Let Saturn leave Cancer so > that will happen in October 2006. U can look forward also and see > if it retros back into Cancer. If it does again be more careful. > > You must have a good immune system and in my opinion once Sa leaves > cancer, things should get better for you. Your antra has good power > for 6th house. Ra is SD to Me and Su. Sun is LoD for 6th. > > Please keep us informed how things shape up for u after october i.e > when Sa crosses 1 deg into Leo. > > Right now your Sa and Ju points are only 5 with Shani contributing 0 > points and Shani right now is over a house with 0 points which is > your 2nd house. So you are feeling the brunt and things are not > working in your favour at the moment. Yes, antra is powerful for u > but the environment is not. > > Give it some time, let Shani change signs. Your points will jump to > 11 i.e. Sa and Ju. That is not a small thing. U will feel the > difference. Just wait and see. Keep us informed on your progress. > > Good Luck. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " auromirra19 " > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > Kudos for a wonderful analysis. I have confirmed the events at the > > appropriate places. > > , " ashsam73 " > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Nalini, > > > You must be a brilliant person with a photographic memory and > very > > > knowledgeable. > > > > Ash ji, yes I was the top ranker at school, blessed with > photographic > > memory, I used to visualise the pages I read before answering at > the > > exams. > > > You must be very helpful and undertsanding by nature and also > very > > > adjustive. > > > > True. known to be so and I think am easily adaptable. > > > Your chart is setup in a peculiar way. From 2nd thru to 6th house > > > the SAV points are all over 28 and from 7th thru to 10th they are > > > less than 28. 11th = 12th = 28 points. > > > So when transit planets travel from 2nd thru 6th continiously > your > > > daily points in transits will go up and then once they hit 7th > hosue > > > they would drop. Mostly Ve, Me and Su are close by. This is very > > > generally speaking. > > > > > > Your profession will be linked to Mercury and Moon. Mercury and > > > Moon i.e. profession giving planets are again in 10th house in > Rasi > > > and can indicated authority too. > > > > It involved banking, head of a big branch, dealing with people and > > money. > > > > > > Your 6th house and 10th house planets are powerful except Venus > and > > > Saturn. So some problems can be expected in those antra. > Otherwise > > > your career is good. Also 9th and 10th lords are conjoining in > 7th > > > house and 10th lord is in 10th indicating good status and rise in > > > life career wise. Only thing is that u are too nice so people > might > > > take advantage of your kindness. > > > > Yes, this has been my bete noire. > > > > > > So Ve/Ve antra might have given u some problems in Career. > > > > > > Venus 1998-Mar-14 2001-Jul-14 > > > > No. It was not problematic. The real trouble started in October > 2001 > > involving fraud- as the head of the branch I was in and out of > courts, > > police stations. > > > > > > Venus is karak for 10th house, 5th house, 1st house, 7th house > and > > > 12th house. So all the antras in Venus MD will be linked to the > > > same, again Venus is SD to Mars who is also 6th lord and 11th > lord. > > > Venus is SD to Mars so some effect of that too. Venus is SD to > Guru > > > also so some effect of that also blending in. > > > > > > You also have the blessing of your father/guru. So that is good. > > > > That has saved me from all the dire situations. > > > > > > About August 2004 the problems might have started to become more > > > intensed. i.e when Shani comes to last degree in Gemini and about > > > to transit into Cancer. > > > > My health turned worse in May 2004, and since then I was constantly > > being targeted by my boss. I was posted to a bigger branch full of > bad > > debts, court cases etc for cleaning up.I had to give up my job , I > > resigned on 29th November 2004 exactly 22 years after joining the > bank > > on 29th Nov 1982. > > > > That time u were running Mars antra in > > > Venus MD. Mars has less power in 5th house, 7th house and 12th > > > house. Here Venus is karak for 7th and it has less power in 7th > > > house so it might show some kind of accident or operation, > > > especially since Sa and Ju = 5 at the same time Sa is transitting > > > over 0 points and problems coming to you are related to 1st, 2nd, > > > 3rd and 4th house matters. Peace of mind is gone and lots of > > > worries and unnecessary worries will be there. > > > > I was involved in an accident, my own car dragged me 100 ft on the > road > > after my pallu got into the door while getting down. It was peak > hour > > traffic , at a junction in front of a bus stop- but strangely > traffic > > came to a standstill. Only after my car came back, and I got into > it > > everything moved- It is uncanny that nothing happened to me , not > even > > scratches.It was 14th or 15th of may 2002. I have been prone to > > accidents, many, but never injured. > > > > > > > > > > You have started Rahu antra now and Rahu is SD to Su and Me. Rahu > > > will be more like Mercury. Mercury has good power and is very > > > powerful for 4th house, 8th house, 11th house and 7th house by > > > virtue of being LoD and LoE. Its weak for 5th house, 9th and > 12th. > > > So some problems in these areas of life or say stress, so it can > > > related to speculations, children, father, and pleasures. > > > > Yes, my worry is my children's education- my elder son who has not > been > > able to complete his graduation- due to relocation and here he is > again > > switched his subjects to Food tech. > > > > > > 11th v/s 12th house is showing more points for 11th than 12th so > no > > > stress about income as such, however 12th house points are less > so > > > its showing less happiness and pleasures. > > > > True. > > > > > > Regarding Marriage. > > > > > > Sa is in 5th hosue in navamsa showing full delay, Guru is > aspecting > > > Shani so moderating it, u got 1 zero in SAV. Shani is at 23deg19 > > > and Sa has 0 and Sa itself is giving u blessing here. > > > > > > Considering all factors I feel marriage willl happen after 23 > years > > > of age. So mars antra runs then and Mars is weak for 7th house in > > > WS so it cant give marriage. Next antra is that of Rahu. Rahu is > > > in House D so its very eager to give marriage. > > > > > > Rahu 1983-Sep-10 1986-Mar-30 > > > > The antar is perfect. > > > > > > I feel 2nd sector will give marriage. > > > > > > Sector 2 1984-Jul-17 1985-May-23 > > > > > > and strong date as per probable date finder is > > > > > > Sun and Venus 31-Aug 12-Sep > > > > > > So in 31st Aug thru 12th sept in 1984 would be my pick. > > > > I got married on 9th May 1984 - 24 years > > > > > > Then after marriage, Rahu itself can give Conception. But here > > > Venus is with Mars and aspected by Rahu so its showing some > issues > > > some miscarriage or cesearean child birth. > > > > I had my first son on 1st May 1985, a normal delivery but use of > forceps > > was there.There were two miscarriages after wards. > > > > Mars itslef is also 11th > > > lord and aspected by Rahu. So again showing that. 5th house > points > > > for Me are weak (Rahu) but 11th is strong. So I am getting some > > > question here. > > > Next antra is that of Ju and that will give conception. > > > > My second son was born on 29th June 1988. > > > > > > Ok, I am out of time. > > > Thank you, Ash ji for the detailed,brilliant analysis. I shall > use it > > for study. > > > > Nalini > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " auromirra19 " > > > nalini2818@ wrote: > > > > > > > > {Om Namo Narayanaya} > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can > you > > > > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its > > > what > > > > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very > > > meticulous. > > > > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute > > > > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and > is on > > > > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson > for > > > me > > > > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Nalini > > > > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in > > > > order > > > > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly > based > > > on > > > > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of > > > > change > > > > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some > > > > stress > > > > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once > u > > > > gave > > > > > the correct Mahadasha. > > > > > > > > > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence. > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball > > > > park, > > > > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 > events 8 > > > > or > > > > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is > > > > working > > > > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked > > > > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as > > > > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS. > > > > > > > > > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is > based > > > on > > > > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or > > > > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, > can > > > > be > > > > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique. > > > > > > > > > > That to me is science. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > , Ash > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > > > > > My answers in CAPS below. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to > say. I > > > do > > > > > not have any system or rules that I propose. > > > > > > > > > > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A > > > > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES > > > ONE > > > > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE > SYSTEM > > > U > > > > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE > ALWYS > > > > GIVES > > > > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS > PER > > > > THAT > > > > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO > > > CONVEY > > > > IS > > > > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A > > > > SCIENCE. > > > > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE? > > > > > > > > > > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles > > > > and > > > > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when > > > > applied > > > > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my > > > > chart > > > > > is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT > > > > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW > OR > > > > SOME > > > > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW > > > SAY > > > > IF > > > > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS > > > > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE > NOT > > > > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS > > > > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY > EXPERIENCE > > > > SEEN > > > > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT > > > MATCH. > > > > I > > > > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME > > > > EVENT > > > > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT > ONE > > > > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH > WILL > > > > GET > > > > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK > BY > > > IS > > > > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA. > > > > > > > > > > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH > > > OR > > > > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY > WE > > > > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN > LIFE > > > > WILL > > > > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND > USING > > > > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND > > > > > PARCEL OF IT. > > > > > > > > > > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate > > > > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY > > > > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS > AYANAMSA > > > IS > > > > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A > LOOK > > > > AT > > > > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U > > > HAVE > > > > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN > JUDGE > > > > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET > CONFIDENCE > > > IN > > > > > KAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE > > > > > OVERLOOKED. > > > > > > > > > > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE > GIVEN, > > > > AND > > > > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED > THAT > > > > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL > > > LEARN > > > > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is > > > > comfortable > > > > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, > based > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to > study > > > > the > > > > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I > assume > > > > that > > > > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each > chart > > > to > > > > > > unfold it in a systematic manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so > that I > > > > can > > > > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer > > > > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of > > > > fixed > > > > > > rules? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will > help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967. > > > > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969. > > > > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976. > > > > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974. > > > > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June > 1966. > > > > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968. > > > > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that > > > can > > > > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not > change > > > > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends > on a > > > > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, > birthdata > > > > and > > > > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably > > > > > thousands > > > > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not > want > > > to > > > > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently > looked at > > > > my > > > > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it > > > > seems > > > > > to > > > > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not > proposing > > > > > that > > > > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I > thought I > > > > > > should mention what I have found. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball > park, > > > > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of > > > your > > > > > life > > > > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not > a > > > > happy > > > > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > might have happened after 24 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th > > > > birthday > > > > > > i.e > > > > > > > after nov 28th 1968. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper > > > between > > > > > > 18th > > > > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves > > > > Ju/Ketu. > > > > > So > > > > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec > > > > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec > > > > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first > > > strong > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > after delay period is over. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, > > > the > > > > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in > the > > > > prior > > > > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of > > > one > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > and start of the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your > birth > > > > > time > > > > > > is > > > > > > > in ball park. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge > > > the > > > > > > month > > > > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs > will > > > be > > > > > > very > > > > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , > many > > > > > events > > > > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and > > > > nakshtras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is > > > > > approximately > > > > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late > evening. > > > > Then > > > > > it > > > > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I > have > > > > is > > > > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my > > > > > birthdate. > > > > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add > that my > > > > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with > Taurus > > > > > > ascendant > > > > > > > than Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you > > > share > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > with us please. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married > in > > > > > 1968. > > > > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month. > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth > > > time > > > > is > > > > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My > > > > > answers > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some > events > > > for > > > > > us > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > verify your birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. > Something > > > to > > > > do > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or > > > > teaching > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or > > > government > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to > > > the > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from > > > > India > > > > > as > > > > > > > > well as US. > > > > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since > 1986 > > > I > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high > > > income > > > > > and > > > > > > > > expenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from > > > collegues / > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health > issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. > Yes > > > > > > changed > > > > > > > > jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also > do > > > > your > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting > assignment > > > > > ended > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own > > > business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken > some > > > big > > > > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also > might > > > > have > > > > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder > if u > > > > > might > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > started your own business during this time. > > > Nevertheless, > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > period is very powerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was > instrumental > > > in > > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very > > > lucrative > > > > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec > 1996. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father > > > > health > > > > > > wise > > > > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in > Moon > > > > > > > mahadasha. > > > > > > > > Mother still lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > Pratap > > > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails > of > > > > the > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I > > > > > > volunteer > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, > 21N44. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure > out > > > my > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > date ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of > your > > > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion > helping > > > u > > > > by > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > their understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many > things > > > can > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to > > > support > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > query, > > > > > > > > > > even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so > many > > > > > things > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > get cleared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for > detailed > > > > > > approach > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > exercise, > > > > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the > delay > > > > > caused > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > zero > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 > and > > > 9 > > > > in > > > > > > > > 5:9... > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about > the > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > > > > > > > > e.g. > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. > and > > > > say > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be > > > > giving > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined > in > > > > rasi > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E > > > then > > > > > the > > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector > > > after > > > > > > > satrun > > > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if > saturn in > > > > > lord > > > > > > of > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > or E > > > > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered > till > > > the > > > > > > time > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event > would > > > > > occur > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the > > > lord > > > > of > > > > > > A, > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > > and C > > > > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector > > > > after > > > > > 0 > > > > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled > bring > > > > the > > > > > > age > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord > of > > > 1 > > > > > and > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor > > > opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are > > > > correct ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11 > > > > > > > > positioning... > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if > > > > jupiter > > > > > is > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > libra in > > > > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or > > > > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its > > > having > > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the > aspects of > > > > > rahu, > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are > seen > > > > > from > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > bhava or > > > > > > > > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to > venus > > > > of > > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu > > > would > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV > for > > > > > > picking > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more > > > > > thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in > line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, > Xavier > > > > and > > > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter > delay > > > > is > > > > > > > > > nullified > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when > he > > > is > > > > > > > running > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and > could > > > > have > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I > > > considered > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > > 10% > > > > > > > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 > when > > > > the > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy > > > > marriage > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from > house > > > > 7. > > > > > So > > > > > > > sun > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power > for > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good > > > points > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage > to > > > the > > > > > > > second > > > > > > > > > > antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks > for > > > > the > > > > > > > > wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier > > > and > > > > > List > > > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. > > > Gita > > > > it > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to > the > > > > > > perfect > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for > many. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this > puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , > > > > > > bala > > > > > > > > > sosale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter > > > > antra > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > > PDF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct > > > antra > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for > > > > getting > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying > this. > > > > > Hope > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can > > > learn > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this > chart > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 11, 2006 Dear Pratap, Refer to the archives on the thread called " Turning Points " . That should give u some insight. Refer to Krushnajis mails and study then very closely. Hes given many hints if memory serves me right and that I am still in the process of understanding in depth. Each time I read the mails, it adds another layer of understanding. Cheers !!! Ash , Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Thanks. You are right about more expenses than income. Income is practically zero and expenses are same. So I have to wait till Rahu- Moon which will begin sometime in June next year. Yes. I am making investments in education. I am studying and collecting certificates at this time which does not seem to help right now. I am wondering if I ever will be able to retire? I am looking forward to time latter this year when Saturn, Guru and Rahu change signs. May be that will bring some better time for me. It is not that I am going without eating anyday but I constantly worry about financial situation in old age. One of my dream that never came true is to be able to return to India for ever. > > Can you elaborate little bit about 'life changing events' in Guru Mahadasha? > > With Warm Regards, > > Pratap > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Pratap, > I do not agree with the term bleak w.r.t your financial status. You > chart by no means is of averge income. > > Yes, you can say that you are experiencing more expenses than income > in Venus antra. > > Ve has 17 points in 11th and 19 points in 12th. So more expenses. > > Next antra is of Sun. > > That too is showing similar trend. More expenses than income. > > Then come moon antra. > > That is reverse. You will have more income than expense. > > In all cases you are also making investment and hence u might be > feeling the pinch. > > There after MD changes. Some life changing events will happen. I > am not narrowing it to particular time frame per say as there might > be some diff in time.. but sticking to ball park. > > We can come to Guru MD when the time comes closer. > > In moon antra u will face some worries. > > Right now your sa and ju points are 7. Once they change signs your > poitns go to 8. > > So my suggestion is to hang in there. You situation according to me > is not critical. You have made good investments and decisions in > your life so atleast with this birth chart I don't see any bleakness. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , Pratap Kaneria > > wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > I was wondering if you had a chance to look at my chart after I > provided some more events. Do you think it calls for a birthtime > rectification? Can you also shed some light on when my current > bleak financial situation is scheduled to improve? > > > > With Regards, > > > > Pratap > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Nalini, > > Thank you for your candid feedback. Yes, mostly all events are in > > line. I have made a typo, your career planets are Me and Ma and I > > had typed Me and Mo. Kindly read it as Me, Me and Ma (Me and Ma). > > > > You have said that your problems started after Venus antra ended > in > > Ve MD. I shall look into that when I get a chance. I feel that > > some things might have happened in Ve/Ve that surfaced once Ve > antra > > ended... however leave that with me, I shall study that antra in > > more detail. > > > > About Marriage, I had predicted 2nd sector and marriage happened > in > > 1st sector towards the end. Total difference I was off was about a > > bit over 3 months. I think I have a good idea why it might have > > happened in the 1st sector itself. In any case, thanks for the > > feedback. > > > > I think the rest of the things are pretty much in the ball park. > > > > Ok, about your health, your problems have enhnaced since Sa came > to > > Cancer. Its transitting over 0 points. Let Saturn leave Cancer so > > that will happen in October 2006. U can look forward also and see > > if it retros back into Cancer. If it does again be more careful. > > > > You must have a good immune system and in my opinion once Sa > leaves > > cancer, things should get better for you. Your antra has good > power > > for 6th house. Ra is SD to Me and Su. Sun is LoD for 6th. > > > > Please keep us informed how things shape up for u after october > i.e > > when Sa crosses 1 deg into Leo. > > > > Right now your Sa and Ju points are only 5 with Shani contributing > 0 > > points and Shani right now is over a house with 0 points which is > > your 2nd house. So you are feeling the brunt and things are not > > working in your favour at the moment. Yes, antra is powerful for u > > but the environment is not. > > > > Give it some time, let Shani change signs. Your points will jump > to > > 11 i.e. Sa and Ju. That is not a small thing. U will feel the > > difference. Just wait and see. Keep us informed on your progress. > > > > Good Luck. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " auromirra19 " > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > > > Kudos for a wonderful analysis. I have confirmed the events at > the > > > appropriate places. > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Nalini, > > > > You must be a brilliant person with a photographic memory and > > very > > > > knowledgeable. > > > > > > Ash ji, yes I was the top ranker at school, blessed with > > photographic > > > memory, I used to visualise the pages I read before answering at > > the > > > exams. > > > > You must be very helpful and undertsanding by nature and also > > very > > > > adjustive. > > > > > > True. known to be so and I think am easily adaptable. > > > > Your chart is setup in a peculiar way. From 2nd thru to 6th > house > > > > the SAV points are all over 28 and from 7th thru to 10th they > are > > > > less than 28. 11th = 12th = 28 points. > > > > So when transit planets travel from 2nd thru 6th continiously > > your > > > > daily points in transits will go up and then once they hit 7th > > hosue > > > > they would drop. Mostly Ve, Me and Su are close by. This is > very > > > > generally speaking. > > > > > > > > Your profession will be linked to Mercury and Moon. Mercury and > > > > Moon i.e. profession giving planets are again in 10th house in > > Rasi > > > > and can indicated authority too. > > > > > > It involved banking, head of a big branch, dealing with people > and > > > money. > > > > > > > > Your 6th house and 10th house planets are powerful except > Venus > > and > > > > Saturn. So some problems can be expected in those antra. > > Otherwise > > > > your career is good. Also 9th and 10th lords are conjoining in > > 7th > > > > house and 10th lord is in 10th indicating good status and rise > in > > > > life career wise. Only thing is that u are too nice so people > > might > > > > take advantage of your kindness. > > > > > > Yes, this has been my bete noire. > > > > > > > > So Ve/Ve antra might have given u some problems in Career. > > > > > > > > Venus 1998-Mar-14 2001-Jul-14 > > > > > > No. It was not problematic. The real trouble started in October > > 2001 > > > involving fraud- as the head of the branch I was in and out of > > courts, > > > police stations. > > > > > > > > Venus is karak for 10th house, 5th house, 1st house, 7th house > > and > > > > 12th house. So all the antras in Venus MD will be linked to the > > > > same, again Venus is SD to Mars who is also 6th lord and 11th > > lord. > > > > Venus is SD to Mars so some effect of that too. Venus is SD to > > Guru > > > > also so some effect of that also blending in. > > > > > > > > You also have the blessing of your father/guru. So that is > good. > > > > > > That has saved me from all the dire situations. > > > > > > > > About August 2004 the problems might have started to become > more > > > > intensed. i.e when Shani comes to last degree in Gemini and > about > > > > to transit into Cancer. > > > > > > My health turned worse in May 2004, and since then I was > constantly > > > being targeted by my boss. I was posted to a bigger branch full > of > > bad > > > debts, court cases etc for cleaning up.I had to give up my job , > I > > > resigned on 29th November 2004 exactly 22 years after joining > the > > bank > > > on 29th Nov 1982. > > > > > > That time u were running Mars antra in > > > > Venus MD. Mars has less power in 5th house, 7th house and 12th > > > > house. Here Venus is karak for 7th and it has less power in 7th > > > > house so it might show some kind of accident or operation, > > > > especially since Sa and Ju = 5 at the same time Sa is > transitting > > > > over 0 points and problems coming to you are related to 1st, > 2nd, > > > > 3rd and 4th house matters. Peace of mind is gone and lots of > > > > worries and unnecessary worries will be there. > > > > > > I was involved in an accident, my own car dragged me 100 ft on > the > > road > > > after my pallu got into the door while getting down. It was peak > > hour > > > traffic , at a junction in front of a bus stop- but strangely > > traffic > > > came to a standstill. Only after my car came back, and I got > into > > it > > > everything moved- It is uncanny that nothing happened to me , > not > > even > > > scratches.It was 14th or 15th of may 2002. I have been prone to > > > accidents, many, but never injured. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have started Rahu antra now and Rahu is SD to Su and Me. > Rahu > > > > will be more like Mercury. Mercury has good power and is very > > > > powerful for 4th house, 8th house, 11th house and 7th house by > > > > virtue of being LoD and LoE. Its weak for 5th house, 9th and > > 12th. > > > > So some problems in these areas of life or say stress, so it > can > > > > related to speculations, children, father, and pleasures. > > > > > > Yes, my worry is my children's education- my elder son who has > not > > been > > > able to complete his graduation- due to relocation and here he > is > > again > > > switched his subjects to Food tech. > > > > > > > > 11th v/s 12th house is showing more points for 11th than 12th > so > > no > > > > stress about income as such, however 12th house points are > less > > so > > > > its showing less happiness and pleasures. > > > > > > True. > > > > > > > > Regarding Marriage. > > > > > > > > Sa is in 5th hosue in navamsa showing full delay, Guru is > > aspecting > > > > Shani so moderating it, u got 1 zero in SAV. Shani is at > 23deg19 > > > > and Sa has 0 and Sa itself is giving u blessing here. > > > > > > > > Considering all factors I feel marriage willl happen after 23 > > years > > > > of age. So mars antra runs then and Mars is weak for 7th house > in > > > > WS so it cant give marriage. Next antra is that of Rahu. Rahu > is > > > > in House D so its very eager to give marriage. > > > > > > > > Rahu 1983-Sep-10 1986-Mar-30 > > > > > > The antar is perfect. > > > > > > > > I feel 2nd sector will give marriage. > > > > > > > > Sector 2 1984-Jul-17 1985-May-23 > > > > > > > > and strong date as per probable date finder is > > > > > > > > Sun and Venus 31-Aug 12-Sep > > > > > > > > So in 31st Aug thru 12th sept in 1984 would be my pick. > > > > > > I got married on 9th May 1984 - 24 years > > > > > > > > Then after marriage, Rahu itself can give Conception. But here > > > > Venus is with Mars and aspected by Rahu so its showing some > > issues > > > > some miscarriage or cesearean child birth. > > > > > > I had my first son on 1st May 1985, a normal delivery but use of > > forceps > > > was there.There were two miscarriages after wards. > > > > > > Mars itslef is also 11th > > > > lord and aspected by Rahu. So again showing that. 5th house > > points > > > > for Me are weak (Rahu) but 11th is strong. So I am getting some > > > > question here. > > > > Next antra is that of Ju and that will give conception. > > > > > > My second son was born on 29th June 1988. > > > > > > > > Ok, I am out of time. > > > > Thank you, Ash ji for the detailed,brilliant analysis. I shall > > use it > > > for study. > > > > > > Nalini > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " auromirra19 " > > > > nalini2818@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > {Om Namo Narayanaya} > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded > KAS2006.Can > > you > > > > > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if > rectified,its > > > > what > > > > > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very > > > > meticulous. > > > > > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing > acute > > > > > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and > > is on > > > > > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson > > for > > > > me > > > > > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details > required. > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Nalini > > > > > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that > in > > > > > order > > > > > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly > > based > > > > on > > > > > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time > of > > > > > change > > > > > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of > some > > > > > stress > > > > > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father > once > > u > > > > > gave > > > > > > the correct Mahadasha. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence. > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the > ball > > > > > park, > > > > > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 > > events 8 > > > > > or > > > > > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system > is > > > > > working > > > > > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked > > > > > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa > as > > > > > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is > > based > > > > on > > > > > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked > or > > > > > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in > line, > > can > > > > > be > > > > > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique. > > > > > > > > > > > > That to me is science. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ash > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My answers in CAPS below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to > > say. I > > > > do > > > > > > not have any system or rules that I propose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A > > > > > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW > DOES > > > > ONE > > > > > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE > > SYSTEM > > > > U > > > > > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE > > ALWYS > > > > > GIVES > > > > > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS > > PER > > > > > THAT > > > > > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO > > > > CONVEY > > > > > IS > > > > > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A > > > > > SCIENCE. > > > > > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, > principles > > > > > and > > > > > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when > > > > > applied > > > > > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then > my > > > > > chart > > > > > > is wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT > > > > > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME > LAW > > OR > > > > > SOME > > > > > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW > > > > SAY > > > > > IF > > > > > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS > > > > > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE > > NOT > > > > > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS > > > > > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY > > EXPERIENCE > > > > > SEEN > > > > > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT > > > > MATCH. > > > > > I > > > > > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE > SOME > > > > > EVENT > > > > > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING > THAT > > ONE > > > > > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH > > WILL > > > > > GET > > > > > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO > WORK > > BY > > > > IS > > > > > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS > MATCH > > > > OR > > > > > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND > PHILOSOPHY > > WE > > > > > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN > > LIFE > > > > > WILL > > > > > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND > > USING > > > > > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART > AND > > > > > > PARCEL OF IT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate > > > > > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY > > > > > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS > > AYANAMSA > > > > IS > > > > > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A > > LOOK > > > > > AT > > > > > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U > > > > HAVE > > > > > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN > > JUDGE > > > > > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET > > CONFIDENCE > > > > IN > > > > > > KAS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT > BE > > > > > > OVERLOOKED. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE > > GIVEN, > > > > > AND > > > > > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED > > THAT > > > > > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL > > > > LEARN > > > > > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is > > > > > comfortable > > > > > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, > > based > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to > > study > > > > > the > > > > > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I > > assume > > > > > that > > > > > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each > > chart > > > > to > > > > > > > unfold it in a systematic manner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so > > that I > > > > > can > > > > > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to > answer > > > > > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set > of > > > > > fixed > > > > > > > rules? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will > > help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967. > > > > > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969. > > > > > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976. > > > > > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974. > > > > > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June > > 1966. > > > > > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968. > > > > > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method > that > > > > can > > > > > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not > > change > > > > > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it > depends > > on a > > > > > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, > > birthdata > > > > > and > > > > > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed > probably > > > > > > thousands > > > > > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not > > want > > > > to > > > > > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently > > looked at > > > > > my > > > > > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far > it > > > > > seems > > > > > > to > > > > > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not > > proposing > > > > > > that > > > > > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I > > thought I > > > > > > > should mention what I have found. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball > > park, > > > > > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events > of > > > > your > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the > system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast > not > > a > > > > > happy > > > > > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data > your > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > might have happened after 24 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th > > > > > birthday > > > > > > > i.e > > > > > > > > after nov 28th 1968. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper > > > > between > > > > > > > 18th > > > > > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves > > > > > Ju/Ketu. > > > > > > So > > > > > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec > > > > > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec > > > > > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first > > > > strong > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > after delay period is over. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the > month, > > > > the > > > > > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in > > the > > > > > prior > > > > > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end > of > > > > one > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > and start of the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your > > birth > > > > > > time > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > in ball park. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally > judge > > > > the > > > > > > > month > > > > > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs > > will > > > > be > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , > > many > > > > > > events > > > > > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and > > > > > nakshtras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A good exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pratap > > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is > > > > > > approximately > > > > > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late > > evening. > > > > > Then > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt > I > > have > > > > > is > > > > > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my > > > > > > birthdate. > > > > > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add > > that my > > > > > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with > > Taurus > > > > > > > ascendant > > > > > > > > than Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can > you > > > > share > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > with us please. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > Pratap > > > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got > married > > in > > > > > > 1968. > > > > > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My > birth > > > > time > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. > My > > > > > > answers > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, > > > > > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some > > events > > > > for > > > > > > us > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > verify your birth time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. > > Something > > > > to > > > > > do > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or > > > > > teaching > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or > > > > government > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked > to > > > > the > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees > from > > > > > India > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > well as US. > > > > > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since > > 1986 > > > > I > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high > > > > income > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > expenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from > > > > collegues / > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health > > issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health > issues. > > Yes > > > > > > > changed > > > > > > > > > jobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might > also > > do > > > > > your > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting > > assignment > > > > > > ended > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own > > > > business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken > > some > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also > > might > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder > > if u > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > started your own business during this time. > > > > Nevertheless, > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > period is very powerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was > > instrumental > > > > in > > > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very > > > > lucrative > > > > > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec > > 1996. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your > father > > > > > health > > > > > > > wise > > > > > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in > > Moon > > > > > > > > mahadasha. > > > > > > > > > Mother still lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > Pratap > > > > > > > Kaneria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the > emails > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known > data, I > > > > > > > volunteer > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, > > 21N44. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure > > out > > > > my > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > date ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pratap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members, > > > > > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of > > your > > > > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion > > helping > > > > u > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > their understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many > > things > > > > can > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to > > > > support > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > query, > > > > > > > > > > > even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so > > many > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > get cleared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for > > detailed > > > > > > > approach > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > exercise, > > > > > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the > > delay > > > > > > caused > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > zero > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of > 1 > > and > > > > 9 > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 5:9... > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused > about > > the > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn dealy: > > > > > > > > > > > > e.g. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting > C. > > and > > > > > say > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn > be > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn > combined > > in > > > > > rasi > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D > or E > > > > then > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > delay > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st > sector > > > > after > > > > > > > > satrun > > > > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if > > saturn in > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > D > > > > > > > > > > or E > > > > > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered > > till > > > > the > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > reaches > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event > > would > > > > > > occur > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > 1st > > > > > > > > > > > > sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects > the > > > > lord > > > > > of > > > > > > > A, > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > > > and C > > > > > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st > sector > > > > > after > > > > > > 0 > > > > > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled > > bring > > > > > the > > > > > > > age > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if > lord > > of > > > > 1 > > > > > > and > > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor > > > > opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are > > > > > correct ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in > 3:11 > > > > > > > > > positioning... > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if > > > > > jupiter > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > libra in > > > > > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign > or > > > > > > nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its > > > > having > > > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the > > aspects of > > > > > > rahu, > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons > are > > seen > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > bhava or > > > > > > > > > > > > rashis or both? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to > > venus > > > > > of > > > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here > rahu > > > > would > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in > SAV > > for > > > > > > > picking > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more > > > > > > thorough ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly > in > > line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > , " kaslearner " > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, > > Xavier > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter > > delay > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > nullified > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 > when > > he > > > > is > > > > > > > > running > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and > > could > > > > > have > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I > > > > considered > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10% > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 > > when > > > > > the > > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from > > house > > > > > 7. > > > > > > So > > > > > > > > sun > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough > power > > for > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good > > > > points > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the > marriage > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > > second > > > > > > > > > > > antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. > Thanks > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and > Xavier > > > > and > > > > > > List > > > > > > > > > > Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect > analysis. > > > > Gita > > > > > it > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > nice > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came > to > > the > > > > > > > perfect > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience > for > > many. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this > > puzzle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , > > > > > > > bala > > > > > > > > > > sosale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in > Ra/Jupiter > > > > > antra > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > > > PDF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the > correct > > > > antra > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet > for > > > > > getting > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > antra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying > > this. > > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > participated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can > > > > learn > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this > > chart > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > analyse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. 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