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Dear Bala, Namaskar,

In this chart date of child birth is not coming in line. As you said child

birth took place in 1st sector of Sat antara. It means conception was in Jup

antara which does not come in line.

According to chart Ve is in 5th house with 7 powerful bindus. This has spoiled

his 8th house . 8th house represents semens.Sat aspects Ve which is its house B.

Saturn aspects house A and C also.That is why I chose 3rd sector of Sat antara

and conception in Sat antara only. But here birth takes place in 1st antara and

conception in Jup antara. For 12th house of conception LoD is Me and LoE is Ve.

Jup is neither SD of Me nor of Ve. Jup is out of the picture for conception. Do

you agree or something I am missing here ?.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

 

bala sosale <bsosale wrote:

Dear Gita and Ramesh,

 

Here is the answer

 

Birth date of daughter is 24.06.1993.

 

Native is a dentist and has his own clinic in Pune and diagnosed with

Pancreatic

Cancer and had last two unsuccessful attempts to remove the tumour as of

last

week.

 

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Dear Pratap,

Then it should be either in the month of Jan or Feb but not after March.Thanks

for feed back.Regards.

Ramesh Mishra

 

Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria wrote:

Dear Mr. Misra,

 

Sorry. No. Wasn't in March.

 

With Regards,

 

Pratap

 

aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002 wrote:

Dear Pratap, Namaskar,

Was it first week of Mar 1968 ?

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh mISHRA

, Pratap Kaneria

 

wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Mishra,

>

> Namaskar,

>

> May be I should make it little easier. I got married in 1968.

Please if you can pinpoint the month.

>

> With Regards,

>

> Pratap

>

>

> ramesh mishra wrote:

> Dear Pratap, Namaskar,

> Did you marry in 1965 before November month.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> Pratap Kaneria

> wrote:

> Dear Ash,

>

> Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth time is

rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My answers are

below.

>

> ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Pratap,

> Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for us to

> verify your birth time.

>

> Can you confirm the following.

>

> 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to do with

> soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or teaching or

> advisory role, and sun could mean management or government and

Shani

> can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the same.

>

> Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from India as

well as US.

> Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 I worked

as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

>

> 2) Did u face more expenses during

>

> Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high income and

expenses.

>

> 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues / work

> during

>

> Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

>

> 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues.

>

> Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes changed

jobs

>

> 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do your own

> undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment ended in

March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business.

>

> 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big

> undertaking or started some big project. You also might have

> travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u might have

> started your own business during this time. Nevertheless, this

> period is very powerful.

>

> Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in getting

a big drug manufacturing project started.

>

> Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative

consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996.

>

> 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father health wise

> also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon mahadasha.

Mother still lives.

>

> If you can comment on the same it will be good.

>

> Thanks,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Astrologers,

> >

> > I am a new member and following most of the emails of the group.

> If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I volunteer my

> birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> >

> > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44.

> >

> > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my marriage

> date ?

> >

> > With Regards,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> > ashsam73 wrote:

> > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your thoughts.

> >

> > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u by

sharing

> > their understanding.

> >

> > If there are more discussion like these, many things can get

> > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support your

> query,

> > even better.

> >

> > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many things

will

> > get cleared.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > --- In

, " harjeet_bakshi "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed approach

and

> > exercise,

> > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay caused by

> zero

> > is

> > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9 in

5:9...

> but

> > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > >

> > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the following

> about

> > > saturn dealy:

> > > e.g.

> > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and say its

the

> > lord

> > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be giving delay.

> as i

> > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in rasi and

> > navamsa. ?

> > >

> > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then the

delay

> is

> > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after satrun

> > reaches

> > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in lord of D

> or E

> > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the time it

> > reaches

> > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would occur in

the

> > 1st

> > > sector itself.

> > >

> > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord of A, B

> and C

> > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector after 0

degree

> > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > >

> > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring the age of

> > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1 and 9

are

> > only

> > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition.

> > >

> > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are correct ?

> > >

> > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11

positioning...

> > does

> > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > >

> > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if jupiter is in

> > libra in

> > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or nakshatra.

> > >

> > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having exactly

4

> > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > >

> > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of rahu,

venus

> > etc

> > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen from the

> > bhava or

> > > rashis or both?

> > >

> > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus of female

> in

> > 5th

> > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would be

> aspecting

> > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > >

> > > thanks/regards

> > > harjeet

> > >

> > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > >

> > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for picking

the

> > right

> > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more thorough ........

> > > >

> > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > --- In

, " kaslearner "

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier and

others,

> > > > >

> > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > >

> > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay is

> nullified

> > by

> > > > lord

> > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > >

> > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is running

> Moon

> > > > antra

> > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could have given

> > > > marriage

> > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered an

> > additional

> > > > 10%

> > > > > delay.

> > > > >

> > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when the native

> is

> > in

> > > > Sun

> > > > > Antra.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy marriage in

the

> > chart,

> > > > I

> > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh

> > > > >

> > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house 7. So sun

> is

> > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for marriage

> > > > >

> > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points in the

> > > > worksheet.

> > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > >

> > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the second

> > antra.

> > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for the

wishes

> > > > everyone!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Gita

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

, " ashsam73 "

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and List

> Members,

> > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita it will

be

> > nice

> > > > to

> > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the perfect

> > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many.

> > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle.

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > , bala

> sosale

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter antra 2

> > PDF

> > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra and

> > > > sector.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for getting the

> > > > antra

> > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. Hope I

> > did

> > > > not

> > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn from

> > this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart please

> > > > analyse

> > > > > > the following.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. Child birth

> > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for this Native?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Bala

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one

click

> > on

> > > > >

> > > > > > FareChase

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Dear Ramesh and others,

 

I think the time for conception may be inline. I dont have the chart

or any details on hand. But when I recollect from my vague memory I

think, Sat had 4:10 SD relationship with Su, Ma and Ju. Sat had 5

points, Su had 6 points, Ma had 4 points and Jupiter had 5 points

(same as sat). Infact Bala even hinted beforehand to practice SD's

for this chart.

 

Regards

Gita

 

, ramesh mishra

<aarceemastro2002 wrote:

>

> Dear Bala, Namaskar,

> In this chart date of child birth is not coming in line. As you

said child birth took place in 1st sector of Sat antara. It means

conception was in Jup antara which does not come in line.

> According to chart Ve is in 5th house with 7 powerful bindus.

This has spoiled his 8th house . 8th house represents semens.Sat

aspects Ve which is its house B. Saturn aspects house A and C

also.That is why I chose 3rd sector of Sat antara and conception in

Sat antara only. But here birth takes place in 1st antara and

conception in Jup antara. For 12th house of conception LoD is Me and

LoE is Ve. Jup is neither SD of Me nor of Ve. Jup is out of the

picture for conception. Do you agree or something I am missing here ?.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> bala sosale <bsosale wrote:

> Dear Gita and Ramesh,

>

> Here is the answer

>

> Birth date of daughter is 24.06.1993.

>

> Native is a dentist and has his own clinic in Pune and

diagnosed with Pancreatic

> Cancer and had last two unsuccessful attempts to remove the

tumour as of last

> week.

>

> Regards

> Bala

>

>

>

> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.

Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min.

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Dear Ramesh,

 

I agree with you on all the points.

 

if you look in the lessons .. page 162 Lesson 34 where Krushnaji says

 

when the first and ninth lords are in 5:9 relationship, it is said that

person will receive blessings for his father/Guru. Such a thing also helps in

conceiving a child.

 

Jupiter is FK and also NK for B=5 which might have given this.

 

I also noticed during the conception time. Sun, Mer(LoD for B=12) and Jupiter

was in Virgo ruled by Mercury.(October 1992)

 

or we may have to rectfiy the chart based on the 2 events we know and the

conditions of the native what he is going through..

 

Hope this helps

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Dear Ash,

 

My marriage date is July 21, 1968.

 

I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help.

 

1. I came to US in Jan 1967.

2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969.

3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976.

4. I bought my first home in June 1974.

5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966.

6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968.

7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968.

 

I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that can give accurate

predictions and the principles would not change regardless of what ayanamsa one

uses. But then it depends on a perfect chart which in turn depends on two

factors, birthdata and ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed

probably thousands of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want

to question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at my chart and

dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it seems to give the best fit to

the events of my life. I am not proposing that you look at my chart using any

other ayanamsa, but I thought I should mention what I have found.

 

Anyway thanks for your efforts,

 

With Regards,

 

Pratap

 

 

 

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Pratap,

With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park,

however, the correct way would be to give many events of your life

and in that way a person would be able to use the system.

 

In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a happy

marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your marriage

might have happened after 24 years.

 

Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th birthday i.e

after nov 28th 1968.

 

Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19

 

 

So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper between 18th

nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves Ju/Ketu. So

16th Dec thru 19th Dec.

 

Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec

Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec

Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec

 

In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first strong antra

after delay period is over.

 

Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07

 

You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, the

difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months.

 

Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range.

 

Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the prior

antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of one antra

and start of the other.

 

I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth time is

in ball park.

 

In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge the month

but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will be very

powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many events

will start to happen when sun transits these signs and nakshtras.

 

A good exercise.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

, Pratap Kaneria

 

wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> There is no official record of my birthtime. It is approximately

as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening. Then it

was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have is

about the time adjustment due to World War II during my birthdate.

Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my

physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus ascendant

than Gemini.

>

> With Regards,

>

> Pratap

>

> ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Pratap,

> What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you share that

> with us please.

> Thanks,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Mishra,

> >

> > Namaskar,

> >

> > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in 1968.

> Please if you can pinpoint the month.

> >

> > With Regards,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> >

> > ramesh mishra wrote:

> > Dear Pratap, Namaskar,

> > Did you marry in 1965 before November month.

> > Thanks and regards.

> > Ramesh Mishra

> >

> > Pratap Kaneria

> > wrote:

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth time is

> rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My answers

are

> below.

> >

> > ashsam73 wrote:

> > Dear Pratap,

> > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for us to

> > verify your birth time.

> >

> > Can you confirm the following.

> >

> > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to do

with

> > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or teaching or

> > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government and

> Shani

> > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the same.

> >

> > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from India as

> well as US.

> > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 I worked

> as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> >

> > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> >

> > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high income and

> expenses.

> >

> > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues / work

> > during

> >

> > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> >

> > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues.

> >

> > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes changed

> jobs

> >

> > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do your own

> > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment ended in

> March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business.

> >

> > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big

> > undertaking or started some big project. You also might have

> > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u might

have

> > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless, this

> > period is very powerful.

> >

> > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in

getting

> a big drug manufacturing project started.

> >

> > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative

> consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996.

> >

> > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father health wise

> > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon

mahadasha.

> Mother still lives.

> >

> > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , Pratap Kaneria

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Astrologers,

> > >

> > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of the

group.

> > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I volunteer

my

> > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > >

> > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44.

> > >

> > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my

marriage

> > date ?

> > >

> > > With Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your thoughts.

> > >

> > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u by

> sharing

> > > their understanding.

> > >

> > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can get

> > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support your

> > query,

> > > even better.

> > >

> > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many things

> will

> > > get cleared.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > --- In

> , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed approach

> and

> > > exercise,

> > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay caused by

> > zero

> > > is

> > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9 in

> 5:9...

> > but

> > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > >

> > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the

following

> > about

> > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > e.g.

> > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and say its

> the

> > > lord

> > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be giving

delay.

> > as i

> > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in rasi and

> > > navamsa. ?

> > > >

> > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then the

> delay

> > is

> > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after

satrun

> > > reaches

> > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in lord of

D

> > or E

> > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the time

it

> > > reaches

> > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would occur in

> the

> > > 1st

> > > > sector itself.

> > > >

> > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord of A,

B

> > and C

> > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector after 0

> degree

> > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > >

> > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring the age

of

> > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1 and 9

> are

> > > only

> > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition.

> > > >

> > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are correct ?

> > > >

> > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11

> positioning...

> > > does

> > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > >

> > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if jupiter is

in

> > > libra in

> > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or nakshatra.

> > > >

> > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having

exactly

> 4

> > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > >

> > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of rahu,

> venus

> > > etc

> > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen from

the

> > > bhava or

> > > > rashis or both?

> > > >

> > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus of

female

> > in

> > > 5th

> > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would be

> > aspecting

> > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > >

> > > > thanks/regards

> > > > harjeet

> > > >

> > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > >

> > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for picking

> the

> > > right

> > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more thorough ........

> > > > >

> > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line.

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> , " kaslearner "

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier and

> others,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay is

> > nullified

> > > by

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is

running

> > Moon

> > > > > antra

> > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could have

given

> > > > > marriage

> > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered an

> > > additional

> > > > > 10%

> > > > > > delay.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when the

native

> > is

> > > in

> > > > > Sun

> > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy marriage in

> the

> > > chart,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house 7. So

sun

> > is

> > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for marriage

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points in the

> > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the

second

> > > antra.

> > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for the

> wishes

> > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Gita

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and List

> > Members,

> > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita it

will

> be

> > > nice

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the perfect

> > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many.

> > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle.

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > , bala

> > sosale

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter antra 2

> > > PDF

> > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra and

> > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for getting the

> > > > > antra

> > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. Hope I

> > > did

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn from

> > > this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart please

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> > > > > > > the following.

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Bala

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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Dear Ash,

 

Since, for Ju we are considering aspect of Ju on LoA of rasi in

navamsa. Can we similarly consider aspect of Sa on LoA of rasi in navamsa.

 

So, if Sa aspects LoA of rasi in navamsa and aspects LoB of rasi in

navamsa and aspects House C in navamsa. Can we say there is full delay

due to saturn?

 

Here, I am not taking lords of A, B, C in navamsa, I am taking lords

of A, B, C of rasi chart in navamsa, so maybe I am still obeying

Krushnaji's rule.

 

Kindly clarify.

 

Thanks & Regards,

Manu

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73 wrote:

>

> Dear Harjeet,

>

> No. Gita answered correctly.

>

> We do not take lords in navamsa. Krushnaji had told me that. We

> only take house. So Sa say in 5th house in navamsa will cause delay.

>

> For Rasi, say if Ju is aspecting 2nd lord and 7th house then its

> delay. Restricted to Rasi.

>

> We can check the aspect of Ju on lords or 2nd or 7th OF RASI IN

> NAVAMSA.

>

> Same thing like Sa.

>

> for delay due to Sa, how we take. Sa's aspect on House A,B and C or

> their lords in Rasi or navmsa (means lords of Rasi's 2nd, 7th and

> 11th).

>

> Then we check if Sa is delay causing in Navamsa.

>

> There we restrict it to only house. So sa in 5th house in Navamsa

> will cause full delay as it will ASPECT HOUSE A, B AND C.

>

> In navamsa we do not take lords of the house, but only aspect on

> house.

>

> Even if u carefully study the D-Charts WS, we only take the

> Ashtakvarg power for A+B+C only. i.e .top part of the WS. The

> bottom part i.e 4:10, aspects etc is not taken.

>

> So same thing with Ju.

>

> If Ju aspects LoA and LoB in Rasi or Navamsa but Both then there is

> delay.

>

> If Ju is lord of 1 house means 7th or 2nd in Rasi and aspects the

> other LORD in navamsa that is also delay.

>

> For Navamsa, I would think same principles apply, Ju is lord of 1

> house in navmsa and it aspects the other house (2nd or 7th house in

> navamsa), but we dotn take lords of 2nd house in navasma or 7th

> house.

>

> Atleast thats my understanding this far.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

> , " harjeet_bakshi "

> <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Ashji,

> > Learnt something new again... could have never thought of it.

> > Sir my repeated question again if you can answer please...

> > I dont have any chart to give as an example. but giving a scenario.

> > Jupiter in A in rasi and in navamsa its situated in B.

> > would this also be a dealy of jupiter?

> > sorry for being annoying.

> > thanks/regards

> > harjeet

> >

> >

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gita,

> > > Again my mails are not reaching the list. I have replied to

> this

> > > question.

> > >

> > > Let me try again.

> > >

> > > Mo is 2nd lord in Rasi and Ju itself is 7th lord.

> > >

> > > Ju is aspecting Moon in Navamsa and itself is 7th lord in Rasi.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > > , " kaslearner "

> > > <kaslearner@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > >

> > > > I am not able to get Jupiter Delay.. Can you explain??

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Gita

> > > >

> > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > >

> > > > > Did your father expire in Mo/Sa antra.

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturn 1979-Mar-20 1980-Oct-19

> > > > >

> > > > > If you can confirm this it will be good.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ok, yes your birth time is slightly rectified.

> > > > >

> > > > > In any case, its in the ball park.

> > > > >

> > > > > I shall attempt to time your marriage.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no delay due to Shani. There is delay due to

> Guru.

> > > > Venus

> > > > > is in nak of Moola and aspected by Shani. There are no

> zeroes.

> > > > >

> > > > > So marriage can be after 24 years.

> > > > >

> > > > > At the end of 24 years you were running Ve/Ke. The very end

> of

> > > > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Next powerful antra is that of Su/Mo.

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-

> > > Oct-07

> > > > >

> > > > > So I feel Moon antra might give u marraige.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Atleast in my opinion you should be married before Su/Ju

> antra.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter 1971-Jan-06 1971-

> > > > Oct-26

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > If antra is proper i.e Sun/Mo. Then i will try to narrow it

> > > > further.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanking you,

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Pratap

> Kaneria

> > > > > <pkaneria@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth

> time is

> > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My

> answers

> > > > are

> > > > > below.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for

> us

> > > to

> > > > > > verify your birth time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you confirm the following.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to

> do

> > > > with

> > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or

> teaching

> > > or

> > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government

> and

> > > > > Shani

> > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the

> same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from

> India

> > > as

> > > > > well as US.

> > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986

> I

> > > > worked

> > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high

> income

> > > and

> > > > > expenses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues /

> > > work

> > > > > > during

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes

> > > changed

> > > > > jobs

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do

> your

> > > own

> > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment

> ended

> > > in

> > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big

> > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might

> have

> > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u

> might

> > > > have

> > > > > > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless,

> this

> > > > > > period is very powerful.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in

> > > > getting

> > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative

> > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father

> health

> > > wise

> > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon

> > > > mahadasha.

> > > > > Mother still lives.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Pratap

> > > Kaneria

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of

> the

> > > > group.

> > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I

> > > volunteer

> > > > my

> > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my

> > > > marriage

> > > > > > date ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your

> > > thoughts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u

> by

> > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > their understanding.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can

> get

> > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support

> your

> > > > > > query,

> > > > > > > even better.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many

> things

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > get cleared.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed

> > > approach

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > exercise,

> > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay

> caused

> > > by

> > > > > > zero

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9

> in

> > > > > 5:9...

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the

> > > > following

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > > > > > e.g.

> > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and

> say

> > > its

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be

> giving

> > > > delay.

> > > > > > as i

> > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in

> rasi

> > > and

> > > > > > > navamsa. ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then

> the

> > > > > delay

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after

> > > > satrun

> > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in

> lord

> > > of

> > > > D

> > > > > > or E

> > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the

> > > time

> > > > it

> > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would

> occur

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 1st

> > > > > > > > sector itself.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord

> of

> > > A,

> > > > B

> > > > > > and C

> > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector

> after 0

> > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring

> the

> > > age

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1

> and

> > > 9

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are

> correct ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11

> > > > > positioning...

> > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if

> jupiter is

> > > > in

> > > > > > > libra in

> > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or

> nakshatra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having

> > > > exactly

> > > > > 4

> > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of

> rahu,

> > > > > venus

> > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen

> from

> > > > the

> > > > > > > bhava or

> > > > > > > > rashis or both?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus

> of

> > > > female

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would

> be

> > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for

> > > picking

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more

> thorough ........

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " kaslearner "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier

> and

> > > > > others,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay

> is

> > > > > > nullified

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is

> > > > running

> > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could

> have

> > > > given

> > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered

> an

> > > > > > > additional

> > > > > > > > > 10%

> > > > > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when

> the

> > > > native

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy

> marriage

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house

> 7. So

> > > > sun

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for

> > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the

> > > > second

> > > > > > > antra.

> > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for

> the

> > > > > wishes

> > > > > > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Gita

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and

> List

> > > > > > Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita

> it

> > > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the

> > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many.

> > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > bala

> > > > > > sosale

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter

> antra 2

> > > > > > > PDF

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra

> and

> > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for

> getting

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this.

> Hope

> > > I

> > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn

> from

> > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart

> please

> > > > > > > > > analyse

> > > > > > > > > > > the following.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for this

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Dear Manu,

Take Leo lagna. If Sa aspects Mercury in navamsa then there is full

delay.

 

We cannot mix house in navamsa. Meas say if Sa is in 2nd house in

Rasi and placed in 7th house in navsmasa there cant be delay like

that.

 

Keep Navamsa house seperate. That is not to be mixed with Rasi.

 

So Sa must aspect A,B,C of RASI or the lords of ABC in rasi or

navamsa. i.e only Lords of ABC of Rasi in navamsa.

 

Assume Sa is not aspecting House A,B,C in Rasi nor the lords of

A,B,C of Rasi in Rasi or navamsa.

 

Next we check if there is delay in navamsa. Means here we only take

house. So now u keep aside Rasi. Focus on navamsa. We have

already checked Rasi and found that there is no delay.

 

Now in navamsa say Shani is in 5th house then there is full delay as

it will ASPECT HOUSE A B AND C OF NAVAMSA.

 

And in navamsa we cannot take lords of House A,B,C of navamsa. Only

House.

 

I hope its clear.

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, " Manu Batura "

<manubatura wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Since, for Ju we are considering aspect of Ju on LoA of rasi in

> navamsa. Can we similarly consider aspect of Sa on LoA of rasi in

navamsa.

>

> So, if Sa aspects LoA of rasi in navamsa and aspects LoB of rasi in

> navamsa and aspects House C in navamsa. Can we say there is full

delay

> due to saturn?

>

> Here, I am not taking lords of A, B, C in navamsa, I am taking

lords

> of A, B, C of rasi chart in navamsa, so maybe I am still obeying

> Krushnaji's rule.

>

> Kindly clarify.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

> Manu

, " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Harjeet,

> >

> > No. Gita answered correctly.

> >

> > We do not take lords in navamsa. Krushnaji had told me that.

We

> > only take house. So Sa say in 5th house in navamsa will cause

delay.

> >

> > For Rasi, say if Ju is aspecting 2nd lord and 7th house then its

> > delay. Restricted to Rasi.

> >

> > We can check the aspect of Ju on lords or 2nd or 7th OF RASI IN

> > NAVAMSA.

> >

> > Same thing like Sa.

> >

> > for delay due to Sa, how we take. Sa's aspect on House A,B and

C or

> > their lords in Rasi or navmsa (means lords of Rasi's 2nd, 7th

and

> > 11th).

> >

> > Then we check if Sa is delay causing in Navamsa.

> >

> > There we restrict it to only house. So sa in 5th house in

Navamsa

> > will cause full delay as it will ASPECT HOUSE A, B AND C.

> >

> > In navamsa we do not take lords of the house, but only aspect on

> > house.

> >

> > Even if u carefully study the D-Charts WS, we only take the

> > Ashtakvarg power for A+B+C only. i.e .top part of the WS. The

> > bottom part i.e 4:10, aspects etc is not taken.

> >

> > So same thing with Ju.

> >

> > If Ju aspects LoA and LoB in Rasi or Navamsa but Both then there

is

> > delay.

> >

> > If Ju is lord of 1 house means 7th or 2nd in Rasi and aspects

the

> > other LORD in navamsa that is also delay.

> >

> > For Navamsa, I would think same principles apply, Ju is lord of

1

> > house in navmsa and it aspects the other house (2nd or 7th house

in

> > navamsa), but we dotn take lords of 2nd house in navasma or 7th

> > house.

> >

> > Atleast thats my understanding this far.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> > --- In

, " harjeet_bakshi "

> > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Ashji,

> > > Learnt something new again... could have never thought of it.

> > > Sir my repeated question again if you can answer please...

> > > I dont have any chart to give as an example. but giving a

scenario.

> > > Jupiter in A in rasi and in navamsa its situated in B.

> > > would this also be a dealy of jupiter?

> > > sorry for being annoying.

> > > thanks/regards

> > > harjeet

> > >

> > >

> > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gita,

> > > > Again my mails are not reaching the list. I have replied to

> > this

> > > > question.

> > > >

> > > > Let me try again.

> > > >

> > > > Mo is 2nd lord in Rasi and Ju itself is 7th lord.

> > > >

> > > > Ju is aspecting Moon in Navamsa and itself is 7th lord in

Rasi.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > > --- In

, " kaslearner "

> > > > <kaslearner@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am not able to get Jupiter Delay.. Can you explain??

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Gita

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

, " ashsam73 "

> > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Did your father expire in Mo/Sa antra.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturn 1979-Mar-20 1980-Oct-19

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you can confirm this it will be good.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ok, yes your birth time is slightly rectified.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In any case, its in the ball park.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I shall attempt to time your marriage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no delay due to Shani. There is delay due to

> > Guru.

> > > > > Venus

> > > > > > is in nak of Moola and aspected by Shani. There are no

> > zeroes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So marriage can be after 24 years.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At the end of 24 years you were running Ve/Ke. The very

end

> > of

> > > > > it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Next powerful antra is that of Su/Mo.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07

1969-

> > > > Oct-07

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So I feel Moon antra might give u marraige.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Atleast in my opinion you should be married before Su/Ju

> > antra.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter 1971-Jan-06

1971-

> > > > > Oct-26

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If antra is proper i.e Sun/Mo. Then i will try to

narrow it

> > > > > further.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanking you,

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Pratap

> > Kaneria

> > > > > > <pkaneria@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth

> > time is

> > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My

> > answers

> > > > > are

> > > > > > below.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events

for

> > us

> > > > to

> > > > > > > verify your birth time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you confirm the following.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something

to

> > do

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or

> > teaching

> > > > or

> > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or

government

> > and

> > > > > > Shani

> > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to

the

> > same.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees

from

> > India

> > > > as

> > > > > > well as US.

> > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since

1986

> > I

> > > > > worked

> > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high

> > income

> > > > and

> > > > > > expenses.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from

collegues /

> > > > work

> > > > > > > during

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues.

Yes

> > > > changed

> > > > > > jobs

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do

> > your

> > > > own

> > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting

assignment

> > ended

> > > > in

> > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own

business.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some

big

> > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also

might

> > have

> > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if

u

> > might

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > started your own business during this time.

Nevertheless,

> > this

> > > > > > > period is very powerful.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental

in

> > > > > getting

> > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very

lucrative

> > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father

> > health

> > > > wise

> > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in

Moon

> > > > > mahadasha.

> > > > > > Mother still lives.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,

Pratap

> > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails

of

> > the

> > > > > group.

> > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I

> > > > volunteer

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27,

21N44.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out

my

> > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > date ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your

> > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion

helping u

> > by

> > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > their understanding.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things

can

> > get

> > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to

support

> > your

> > > > > > > query,

> > > > > > > > even better.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so

many

> > things

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > get cleared.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > >

, " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for

detailed

> > > > approach

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > exercise,

> > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay

> > caused

> > > > by

> > > > > > > zero

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1

and 9

> > in

> > > > > > 5:9...

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about

the

> > > > > following

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > > > > > > e.g.

> > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C.

and

> > say

> > > > its

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be

> > giving

> > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > as i

> > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined

in

> > rasi

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > navamsa. ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E

then

> > the

> > > > > > delay

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector

after

> > > > > satrun

> > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn

in

> > lord

> > > > of

> > > > > D

> > > > > > > or E

> > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till

the

> > > > time

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event

would

> > occur

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 1st

> > > > > > > > > sector itself.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the

lord

> > of

> > > > A,

> > > > > B

> > > > > > > and C

> > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector

> > after 0

> > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled

bring

> > the

> > > > age

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord

of 1

> > and

> > > > 9

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor

opposition.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are

> > correct ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11

> > > > > > positioning...

> > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if

> > jupiter is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > libra in

> > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or

> > nakshatra.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its

having

> > > > > exactly

> > > > > > 4

> > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects

of

> > rahu,

> > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are

seen

> > from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > bhava or

> > > > > > > > > rashis or both?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to

venus

> > of

> > > > > female

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu

would

> > be

> > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV

for

> > > > picking

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more

> > thorough ........

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in

line.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " kaslearner "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet,

Xavier

> > and

> > > > > > others,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter

delay

> > is

> > > > > > > nullified

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he

is

> > > > > running

> > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and

could

> > have

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I

considered

> > an

> > > > > > > > additional

> > > > > > > > > > 10%

> > > > > > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989

when

> > the

> > > > > native

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy

> > marriage

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by

Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from

house

> > 7. So

> > > > > sun

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power

for

> > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good

points

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to

the

> > > > > second

> > > > > > > > antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks

for

> > the

> > > > > > wishes

> > > > > > > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Gita

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier

and

> > List

> > > > > > > Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis.

Gita

> > it

> > > > > will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to

the

> > > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for

many.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this

puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

,

> > > > bala

> > > > > > > sosale

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter

> > antra 2

> > > > > > > > PDF

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct

antra

> > and

> > > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for

> > getting

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying

this.

> > Hope

> > > > I

> > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can

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> > from

> > > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart

> > please

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Dear Pratap,

 

Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is comfortable

with with his or her prefered ayanamsa.

 

If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based on the

ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study the

rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume that

those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart to

unfold it in a systematic manner.

 

Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I can

read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer

questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of fixed

rules?

 

Please reply.

 

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

, Pratap Kaneria

<pkaneria wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> My marriage date is July 21, 1968.

>

> I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help.

>

> 1. I came to US in Jan 1967.

> 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969.

> 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976.

> 4. I bought my first home in June 1974.

> 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966.

> 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968.

> 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968.

>

> I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that can

give accurate predictions and the principles would not change

regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a

perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata and

ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably thousands

of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want to

question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at my

chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it seems to

give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing that

you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I

should mention what I have found.

>

> Anyway thanks for your efforts,

>

> With Regards,

>

> Pratap

>

>

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Pratap,

> With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park,

> however, the correct way would be to give many events of your life

> and in that way a person would be able to use the system.

>

> In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a happy

> marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your marriage

> might have happened after 24 years.

>

> Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th birthday

i.e

> after nov 28th 1968.

>

> Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19

>

>

> So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper between

18th

> nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves Ju/Ketu. So

> 16th Dec thru 19th Dec.

>

> Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec

> Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec

> Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec

>

> In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first strong

antra

> after delay period is over.

>

> Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07

>

> You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, the

> difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months.

>

> Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range.

>

> Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the prior

> antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of one

antra

> and start of the other.

>

> I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth time

is

> in ball park.

>

> In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge the

month

> but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will be

very

> powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many events

> will start to happen when sun transits these signs and nakshtras.

>

> A good exercise.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is approximately

> as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening. Then it

> was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have is

> about the time adjustment due to World War II during my birthdate.

> Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my

> physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus

ascendant

> than Gemini.

> >

> > With Regards,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> > ashsam73 wrote:

> > Dear Pratap,

> > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you share

that

> > with us please.

> > Thanks,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , Pratap Kaneria

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Mishra,

> > >

> > > Namaskar,

> > >

> > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in 1968.

> > Please if you can pinpoint the month.

> > >

> > > With Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > >

> > > ramesh mishra wrote:

> > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar,

> > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month.

> > > Thanks and regards.

> > > Ramesh Mishra

> > >

> > > Pratap Kaneria

> > > wrote:

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth time is

> > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My answers

> are

> > below.

> > >

> > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > Dear Pratap,

> > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for us

to

> > > verify your birth time.

> > >

> > > Can you confirm the following.

> > >

> > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to do

> with

> > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or teaching

or

> > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government and

> > Shani

> > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the same.

> > >

> > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from India as

> > well as US.

> > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 I

worked

> > as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> > >

> > > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> > >

> > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high income and

> > expenses.

> > >

> > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues /

work

> > > during

> > >

> > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> > >

> > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues.

> > >

> > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes

changed

> > jobs

> > >

> > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do your

own

> > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment ended

in

> > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business.

> > >

> > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big

> > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might have

> > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u might

> have

> > > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless, this

> > > period is very powerful.

> > >

> > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in

> getting

> > a big drug manufacturing project started.

> > >

> > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative

> > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996.

> > >

> > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father health

wise

> > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon

> mahadasha.

> > Mother still lives.

> > >

> > > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , Pratap

Kaneria

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > >

> > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of the

> group.

> > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I

volunteer

> my

> > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > > >

> > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44.

> > > >

> > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my

> marriage

> > > date ?

> > > >

> > > > With Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Pratap

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your

thoughts.

> > > >

> > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u by

> > sharing

> > > > their understanding.

> > > >

> > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can get

> > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support your

> > > query,

> > > > even better.

> > > >

> > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many things

> > will

> > > > get cleared.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed

approach

> > and

> > > > exercise,

> > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay caused

by

> > > zero

> > > > is

> > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9 in

> > 5:9...

> > > but

> > > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > > >

> > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the

> following

> > > about

> > > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > > e.g.

> > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and say

its

> > the

> > > > lord

> > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be giving

> delay.

> > > as i

> > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in rasi

and

> > > > navamsa. ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then the

> > delay

> > > is

> > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after

> satrun

> > > > reaches

> > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in lord

of

> D

> > > or E

> > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the

time

> it

> > > > reaches

> > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would occur

in

> > the

> > > > 1st

> > > > > sector itself.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord of

A,

> B

> > > and C

> > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector after 0

> > degree

> > > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring the

age

> of

> > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1 and

9

> > are

> > > > only

> > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition.

> > > > >

> > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are correct ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11

> > positioning...

> > > > does

> > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if jupiter is

> in

> > > > libra in

> > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or nakshatra.

> > > > >

> > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having

> exactly

> > 4

> > > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > > >

> > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of rahu,

> > venus

> > > > etc

> > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen from

> the

> > > > bhava or

> > > > > rashis or both?

> > > > >

> > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus of

> female

> > > in

> > > > 5th

> > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would be

> > > aspecting

> > > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > harjeet

> > > > >

> > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for

picking

> > the

> > > > right

> > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more thorough ........

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > , " kaslearner "

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier and

> > others,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay is

> > > nullified

> > > > by

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is

> running

> > > Moon

> > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could have

> given

> > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered an

> > > > additional

> > > > > > 10%

> > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when the

> native

> > > is

> > > > in

> > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy marriage

in

> > the

> > > > chart,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house 7. So

> sun

> > > is

> > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for

marriage

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points in

the

> > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the

> second

> > > > antra.

> > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for the

> > wishes

> > > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Gita

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and List

> > > Members,

> > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita it

> will

> > be

> > > > nice

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the

perfect

> > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many.

> > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > ,

bala

> > > sosale

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter antra 2

> > > > PDF

> > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra and

> > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for getting

the

> > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. Hope

I

> > > > did

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn from

> > > > this.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart please

> > > > > > analyse

> > > > > > > > the following.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth

> > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for this

Native?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Bala

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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Dear Ash,

 

It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I do not have any

system or rules that I propose. All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching,

principles and rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when

applied to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my chart is

wrong. And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate birthtime 2.

Incorrect ayanamsa.

 

With Regards,

 

Pratap

 

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Pratap,

 

Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is comfortable

with with his or her prefered ayanamsa.

 

If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based on the

ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study the

rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume that

those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart to

unfold it in a systematic manner.

 

Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I can

read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer

questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of fixed

rules?

 

Please reply.

 

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

, Pratap Kaneria

 

wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> My marriage date is July 21, 1968.

>

> I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help.

>

> 1. I came to US in Jan 1967.

> 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969.

> 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976.

> 4. I bought my first home in June 1974.

> 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966.

> 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968.

> 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968.

>

> I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that can

give accurate predictions and the principles would not change

regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a

perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata and

ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably thousands

of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want to

question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at my

chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it seems to

give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing that

you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I

should mention what I have found.

>

> Anyway thanks for your efforts,

>

> With Regards,

>

> Pratap

>

>

>

> ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Pratap,

> With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park,

> however, the correct way would be to give many events of your life

> and in that way a person would be able to use the system.

>

> In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a happy

> marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your marriage

> might have happened after 24 years.

>

> Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th birthday

i.e

> after nov 28th 1968.

>

> Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19

>

>

> So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper between

18th

> nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves Ju/Ketu. So

> 16th Dec thru 19th Dec.

>

> Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec

> Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec

> Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec

>

> In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first strong

antra

> after delay period is over.

>

> Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07

>

> You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, the

> difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months.

>

> Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range.

>

> Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the prior

> antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of one

antra

> and start of the other.

>

> I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth time

is

> in ball park.

>

> In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge the

month

> but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will be

very

> powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many events

> will start to happen when sun transits these signs and nakshtras.

>

> A good exercise.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is approximately

> as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening. Then it

> was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have is

> about the time adjustment due to World War II during my birthdate.

> Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my

> physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus

ascendant

> than Gemini.

> >

> > With Regards,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> > ashsam73 wrote:

> > Dear Pratap,

> > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you share

that

> > with us please.

> > Thanks,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , Pratap Kaneria

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Mishra,

> > >

> > > Namaskar,

> > >

> > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in 1968.

> > Please if you can pinpoint the month.

> > >

> > > With Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > >

> > > ramesh mishra wrote:

> > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar,

> > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month.

> > > Thanks and regards.

> > > Ramesh Mishra

> > >

> > > Pratap Kaneria

> > > wrote:

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth time is

> > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My answers

> are

> > below.

> > >

> > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > Dear Pratap,

> > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for us

to

> > > verify your birth time.

> > >

> > > Can you confirm the following.

> > >

> > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to do

> with

> > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or teaching

or

> > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government and

> > Shani

> > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the same.

> > >

> > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from India as

> > well as US.

> > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 I

worked

> > as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> > >

> > > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> > >

> > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high income and

> > expenses.

> > >

> > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues /

work

> > > during

> > >

> > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> > >

> > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues.

> > >

> > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes

changed

> > jobs

> > >

> > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do your

own

> > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment ended

in

> > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business.

> > >

> > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big

> > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might have

> > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u might

> have

> > > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless, this

> > > period is very powerful.

> > >

> > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in

> getting

> > a big drug manufacturing project started.

> > >

> > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative

> > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996.

> > >

> > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father health

wise

> > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon

> mahadasha.

> > Mother still lives.

> > >

> > > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , Pratap

Kaneria

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > >

> > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of the

> group.

> > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I

volunteer

> my

> > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > > >

> > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44.

> > > >

> > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my

> marriage

> > > date ?

> > > >

> > > > With Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Pratap

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your

thoughts.

> > > >

> > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u by

> > sharing

> > > > their understanding.

> > > >

> > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can get

> > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support your

> > > query,

> > > > even better.

> > > >

> > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many things

> > will

> > > > get cleared.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed

approach

> > and

> > > > exercise,

> > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay caused

by

> > > zero

> > > > is

> > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9 in

> > 5:9...

> > > but

> > > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > > >

> > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the

> following

> > > about

> > > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > > e.g.

> > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and say

its

> > the

> > > > lord

> > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be giving

> delay.

> > > as i

> > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in rasi

and

> > > > navamsa. ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then the

> > delay

> > > is

> > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after

> satrun

> > > > reaches

> > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in lord

of

> D

> > > or E

> > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the

time

> it

> > > > reaches

> > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would occur

in

> > the

> > > > 1st

> > > > > sector itself.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord of

A,

> B

> > > and C

> > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector after 0

> > degree

> > > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring the

age

> of

> > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1 and

9

> > are

> > > > only

> > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition.

> > > > >

> > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are correct ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11

> > positioning...

> > > > does

> > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if jupiter is

> in

> > > > libra in

> > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or nakshatra.

> > > > >

> > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having

> exactly

> > 4

> > > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > > >

> > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of rahu,

> > venus

> > > > etc

> > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen from

> the

> > > > bhava or

> > > > > rashis or both?

> > > > >

> > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus of

> female

> > > in

> > > > 5th

> > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would be

> > > aspecting

> > > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > harjeet

> > > > >

> > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for

picking

> > the

> > > > right

> > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more thorough ........

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > , " kaslearner "

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier and

> > others,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay is

> > > nullified

> > > > by

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is

> running

> > > Moon

> > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could have

> given

> > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered an

> > > > additional

> > > > > > 10%

> > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when the

> native

> > > is

> > > > in

> > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy marriage

in

> > the

> > > > chart,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house 7. So

> sun

> > > is

> > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for

marriage

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points in

the

> > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the

> second

> > > > antra.

> > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for the

> > wishes

> > > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Gita

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and List

> > > Members,

> > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita it

> will

> > be

> > > > nice

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the

perfect

> > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many.

> > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > ,

bala

> > > sosale

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter antra 2

> > > > PDF

> > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra and

> > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for getting

the

> > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. Hope

I

> > > > did

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn from

> > > > this.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart please

> > > > > > analyse

> > > > > > > > the following.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth

> > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for this

Native?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Bala

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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Dear Pratap,

 

My answers in CAPS below.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria wrote:

Dear Ash,

 

It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I do not have any

system or rules that I propose.

 

ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A PARTICULAR AYANAMSA

WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES ONE VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS?

DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM U USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE

AYANASMA U USE ALWYS GIVES MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF

CHARTS AS PER THAT RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO

CONVEY IS THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A SCIENCE.

OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE?

 

All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles and rules as

explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when applied to a correct chart.

If they do not apply to my chart, then my chart is wrong.

 

ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT PERFECT. ITS QUITE

POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR SOME EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM

THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW SAY IF SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS

THAT THE TIME IS CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT

MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS DEFINITELY

OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE SEEN A CASE WHERE IF THE

BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT MATCH. I CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS

MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME EVENT THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE

TO SOME THING THAT ONE OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION.

WHICH WILL GET SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY

IS TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA.

 

WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH OR ARE IN LINE ?

IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE

BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE WILL UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN

PREDICT IT AND USING KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART

AND PARCEL OF IT.

 

And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate birthtime 2.

Incorrect ayanamsa.

 

ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY REMOVE THE SECOND

POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA IS ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE

PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK AT THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1,

ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U HAVE FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE

THEN YOU CAN JUDGE POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET

CONFIDENCE IN KAS.

 

AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE OVERLOOKED.

 

I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN, AND MAKE A

SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT GAVE U MARRIAGE, I

WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL LEARN MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR

SHARING YOUR CHART. :-)

 

 

 

With Regards,

 

Pratap

 

ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Pratap,

 

Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is comfortable

with with his or her prefered ayanamsa.

 

If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based on the

ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study the

rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume that

those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart to

unfold it in a systematic manner.

 

Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I can

read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer

questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of fixed

rules?

 

Please reply.

 

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

, Pratap Kaneria

 

wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> My marriage date is July 21, 1968.

>

> I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help.

>

> 1. I came to US in Jan 1967.

> 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969.

> 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976.

> 4. I bought my first home in June 1974.

> 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966.

> 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968.

> 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968.

>

> I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that can

give accurate predictions and the principles would not change

regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a

perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata and

ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably thousands

of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want to

question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at my

chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it seems to

give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing that

you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I

should mention what I have found.

>

> Anyway thanks for your efforts,

>

> With Regards,

>

> Pratap

>

>

>

> ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Pratap,

> With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park,

> however, the correct way would be to give many events of your life

> and in that way a person would be able to use the system.

>

> In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a happy

> marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your marriage

> might have happened after 24 years.

>

> Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th birthday

i.e

> after nov 28th 1968.

>

> Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19

>

>

> So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper between

18th

> nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves Ju/Ketu. So

> 16th Dec thru 19th Dec.

>

> Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec

> Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec

> Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec

>

> In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first strong

antra

> after delay period is over.

>

> Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07

>

> You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, the

> difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months.

>

> Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range.

>

> Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the prior

> antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of one

antra

> and start of the other.

>

> I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth time

is

> in ball park.

>

> In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge the

month

> but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will be

very

> powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many events

> will start to happen when sun transits these signs and nakshtras.

>

> A good exercise.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is approximately

> as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening. Then it

> was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have is

> about the time adjustment due to World War II during my birthdate.

> Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my

> physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus

ascendant

> than Gemini.

> >

> > With Regards,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> > ashsam73 wrote:

> > Dear Pratap,

> > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you share

that

> > with us please.

> > Thanks,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , Pratap Kaneria

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Mishra,

> > >

> > > Namaskar,

> > >

> > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in 1968.

> > Please if you can pinpoint the month.

> > >

> > > With Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > >

> > > ramesh mishra wrote:

> > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar,

> > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month.

> > > Thanks and regards.

> > > Ramesh Mishra

> > >

> > > Pratap Kaneria

> > > wrote:

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth time is

> > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My answers

> are

> > below.

> > >

> > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > Dear Pratap,

> > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for us

to

> > > verify your birth time.

> > >

> > > Can you confirm the following.

> > >

> > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to do

> with

> > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or teaching

or

> > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government and

> > Shani

> > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the same.

> > >

> > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from India as

> > well as US.

> > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 I

worked

> > as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> > >

> > > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> > >

> > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high income and

> > expenses.

> > >

> > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues /

work

> > > during

> > >

> > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> > >

> > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues.

> > >

> > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes

changed

> > jobs

> > >

> > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do your

own

> > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment ended

in

> > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business.

> > >

> > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big

> > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might have

> > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u might

> have

> > > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless, this

> > > period is very powerful.

> > >

> > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in

> getting

> > a big drug manufacturing project started.

> > >

> > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative

> > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996.

> > >

> > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father health

wise

> > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon

> mahadasha.

> > Mother still lives.

> > >

> > > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , Pratap

Kaneria

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > >

> > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of the

> group.

> > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I

volunteer

> my

> > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > > >

> > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44.

> > > >

> > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my

> marriage

> > > date ?

> > > >

> > > > With Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Pratap

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your

thoughts.

> > > >

> > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u by

> > sharing

> > > > their understanding.

> > > >

> > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can get

> > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support your

> > > query,

> > > > even better.

> > > >

> > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many things

> > will

> > > > get cleared.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed

approach

> > and

> > > > exercise,

> > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay caused

by

> > > zero

> > > > is

> > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9 in

> > 5:9...

> > > but

> > > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > > >

> > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the

> following

> > > about

> > > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > > e.g.

> > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and say

its

> > the

> > > > lord

> > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be giving

> delay.

> > > as i

> > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in rasi

and

> > > > navamsa. ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then the

> > delay

> > > is

> > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after

> satrun

> > > > reaches

> > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in lord

of

> D

> > > or E

> > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the

time

> it

> > > > reaches

> > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would occur

in

> > the

> > > > 1st

> > > > > sector itself.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord of

A,

> B

> > > and C

> > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector after 0

> > degree

> > > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring the

age

> of

> > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1 and

9

> > are

> > > > only

> > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition.

> > > > >

> > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are correct ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11

> > positioning...

> > > > does

> > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > > >

> > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if jupiter is

> in

> > > > libra in

> > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or nakshatra.

> > > > >

> > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having

> exactly

> > 4

> > > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > > >

> > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of rahu,

> > venus

> > > > etc

> > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen from

> the

> > > > bhava or

> > > > > rashis or both?

> > > > >

> > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus of

> female

> > > in

> > > > 5th

> > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would be

> > > aspecting

> > > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > harjeet

> > > > >

> > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for

picking

> > the

> > > > right

> > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more thorough ........

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > , " kaslearner "

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier and

> > others,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay is

> > > nullified

> > > > by

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is

> running

> > > Moon

> > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could have

> given

> > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered an

> > > > additional

> > > > > > 10%

> > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when the

> native

> > > is

> > > > in

> > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy marriage

in

> > the

> > > > chart,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house 7. So

> sun

> > > is

> > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for

marriage

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points in

the

> > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the

> second

> > > > antra.

> > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for the

> > wishes

> > > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Gita

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and List

> > > Members,

> > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita it

> will

> > be

> > > > nice

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the

perfect

> > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many.

> > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > ,

bala

> > > sosale

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter antra 2

> > > > PDF

> > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra and

> > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for getting

the

> > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this. Hope

I

> > > > did

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn from

> > > > this.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart please

> > > > > > analyse

> > > > > > > > the following.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth

> > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for this

Native?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Bala

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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Dear Pratap,

Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in order

to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly based on

the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of change

of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some stress

in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once u gave

the correct Mahadasha.

 

What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence.

 

In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball park,

and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 events 8 or

9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is working

and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked

something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as

Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS.

 

So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is based on

proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or

validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, can be

used on ALL charts and same principals and technique.

 

That to me is science.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, Ash <ashsam73

wrote:

>

> Dear Pratap,

>

> My answers in CAPS below.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria wrote:

> Dear Ash,

>

> It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I do

not have any system or rules that I propose.

>

> ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A

PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES ONE

VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM U

USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS GIVES

MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER THAT

RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO CONVEY IS

THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A SCIENCE.

OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE?

>

> All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles and

rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when applied

to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my chart

is wrong.

>

> ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT

PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR SOME

EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW SAY IF

SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS

CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT

MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS

DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE SEEN

A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT MATCH. I

CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME EVENT

THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE

OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL GET

SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY IS

TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA.

>

> WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH OR

ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE

FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE WILL

UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING

KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND

PARCEL OF IT.

>

> And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate

birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa.

>

> ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY

REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA IS

ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK AT

THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U HAVE

FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE

POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE IN

KAS.

>

> AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE

OVERLOOKED.

>

> I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN, AND

MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT

GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL LEARN

MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-)

>

>

>

> With Regards,

>

> Pratap

>

> ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Pratap,

>

> Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is comfortable

> with with his or her prefered ayanamsa.

>

> If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based on

the

> ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study the

> rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume that

> those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart to

> unfold it in a systematic manner.

>

> Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I can

> read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer

> questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of fixed

> rules?

>

> Please reply.

>

> Thanks,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > My marriage date is July 21, 1968.

> >

> > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help.

> >

> > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967.

> > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969.

> > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976.

> > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974.

> > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966.

> > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968.

> > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968.

> >

> > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that can

> give accurate predictions and the principles would not change

> regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a

> perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata and

> ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably

thousands

> of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want to

> question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at my

> chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it seems

to

> give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing

that

> you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I

> should mention what I have found.

> >

> > Anyway thanks for your efforts,

> >

> > With Regards,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> >

> >

> > ashsam73 wrote:

> > Dear Pratap,

> > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park,

> > however, the correct way would be to give many events of your

life

> > and in that way a person would be able to use the system.

> >

> > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a happy

> > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your

marriage

> > might have happened after 24 years.

> >

> > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th birthday

> i.e

> > after nov 28th 1968.

> >

> > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19

> >

> >

> > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper between

> 18th

> > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves Ju/Ketu.

So

> > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec.

> >

> > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec

> > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec

> > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec

> >

> > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first strong

> antra

> > after delay period is over.

> >

> > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07

> >

> > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, the

> > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months.

> >

> > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range.

> >

> > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the prior

> > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of one

> antra

> > and start of the other.

> >

> > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth

time

> is

> > in ball park.

> >

> > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge the

> month

> > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will be

> very

> > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many

events

> > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and nakshtras.

> >

> > A good exercise.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> >

> > , Pratap Kaneria

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is

approximately

> > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening. Then

it

> > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have is

> > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my

birthdate.

> > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my

> > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus

> ascendant

> > than Gemini.

> > >

> > > With Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > Dear Pratap,

> > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you share

> that

> > > with us please.

> > > Thanks,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , Pratap

Kaneria

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Mishra,

> > > >

> > > > Namaskar,

> > > >

> > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in

1968.

> > > Please if you can pinpoint the month.

> > > >

> > > > With Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Pratap

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ramesh mishra wrote:

> > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar,

> > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month.

> > > > Thanks and regards.

> > > > Ramesh Mishra

> > > >

> > > > Pratap Kaneria

> > > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > >

> > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth time is

> > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My

answers

> > are

> > > below.

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for

us

> to

> > > > verify your birth time.

> > > >

> > > > Can you confirm the following.

> > > >

> > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to do

> > with

> > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or teaching

> or

> > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government

and

> > > Shani

> > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the

same.

> > > >

> > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from India

as

> > > well as US.

> > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 I

> worked

> > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> > > >

> > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high income

and

> > > expenses.

> > > >

> > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues /

> work

> > > > during

> > > >

> > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> > > >

> > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues.

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes

> changed

> > > jobs

> > > >

> > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do your

> own

> > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment

ended

> in

> > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business.

> > > >

> > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big

> > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might have

> > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u

might

> > have

> > > > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless,

this

> > > > period is very powerful.

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in

> > getting

> > > a big drug manufacturing project started.

> > > >

> > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative

> > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996.

> > > >

> > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father health

> wise

> > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon

> > mahadasha.

> > > Mother still lives.

> > > >

> > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > , Pratap

> Kaneria

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of the

> > group.

> > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I

> volunteer

> > my

> > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > > > >

> > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my

> > marriage

> > > > date ?

> > > > >

> > > > > With Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pratap

> > > > >

> > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your

> thoughts.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u by

> > > sharing

> > > > > their understanding.

> > > > >

> > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can

get

> > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support

your

> > > > query,

> > > > > even better.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many

things

> > > will

> > > > > get cleared.

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed

> approach

> > > and

> > > > > exercise,

> > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay

caused

> by

> > > > zero

> > > > > is

> > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9 in

> > > 5:9...

> > > > but

> > > > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the

> > following

> > > > about

> > > > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > > > e.g.

> > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and say

> its

> > > the

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be giving

> > delay.

> > > > as i

> > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in rasi

> and

> > > > > navamsa. ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then

the

> > > delay

> > > > is

> > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after

> > satrun

> > > > > reaches

> > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in

lord

> of

> > D

> > > > or E

> > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the

> time

> > it

> > > > > reaches

> > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would

occur

> in

> > > the

> > > > > 1st

> > > > > > sector itself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord of

> A,

> > B

> > > > and C

> > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector after

0

> > > degree

> > > > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring the

> age

> > of

> > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1

and

> 9

> > > are

> > > > > only

> > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are correct ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11

> > > positioning...

> > > > > does

> > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if jupiter

is

> > in

> > > > > libra in

> > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or

nakshatra.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having

> > exactly

> > > 4

> > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of

rahu,

> > > venus

> > > > > etc

> > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen

from

> > the

> > > > > bhava or

> > > > > > rashis or both?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus of

> > female

> > > > in

> > > > > 5th

> > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would

be

> > > > aspecting

> > > > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

, " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for

> picking

> > > the

> > > > > right

> > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more

thorough ........

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " kaslearner "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier and

> > > others,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay is

> > > > nullified

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is

> > running

> > > > Moon

> > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could have

> > given

> > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered an

> > > > > additional

> > > > > > > 10%

> > > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when the

> > native

> > > > is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy marriage

> in

> > > the

> > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house 7.

So

> > sun

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for

> marriage

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points in

> the

> > > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the

> > second

> > > > > antra.

> > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for the

> > > wishes

> > > > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Gita

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and

List

> > > > Members,

> > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita it

> > will

> > > be

> > > > > nice

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the

> perfect

> > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many.

> > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > ,

> bala

> > > > sosale

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter antra

2

> > > > > PDF

> > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra

and

> > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for getting

> the

> > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this.

Hope

> I

> > > > > did

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn

from

> > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart

please

> > > > > > > analyse

> > > > > > > > > the following.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth

> > > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for this

> Native?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Bala

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

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{Om Namo Narayanaya}

 

Dear Ash ji,

Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can you

please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its what

I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very meticulous.

28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute

health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and is on

alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson for me

if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required.

Thanks and Regards

Nalini

{Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In

, " ashsam73 " <ashsam73

wrote:

>

> Dear Pratap,

> Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in

order

> to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly based on

> the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of

change

> of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some

stress

> in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once u

gave

> the correct Mahadasha.

>

> What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence.

>

> In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball

park,

> and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 events 8

or

> 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is

working

> and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked

> something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as

> Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS.

>

> So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is based on

> proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or

> validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, can

be

> used on ALL charts and same principals and technique.

>

> That to me is science.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , Ash <ashsam73@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pratap,

> >

> > My answers in CAPS below.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria@> wrote:

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I do

> not have any system or rules that I propose.

> >

> > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A

> PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES ONE

> VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM U

> USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS

GIVES

> MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER

THAT

> RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO CONVEY

IS

> THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A

SCIENCE.

> OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE?

> >

> > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles

and

> rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when

applied

> to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my

chart

> is wrong.

> >

> > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT

> PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR

SOME

> EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW SAY

IF

> SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS

> CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT

> MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS

> DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE

SEEN

> A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT MATCH.

I

> CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME

EVENT

> THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE

> OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL

GET

> SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY IS

> TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA.

> >

> > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH OR

> ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE

> FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE

WILL

> UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING

> KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND

> PARCEL OF IT.

> >

> > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate

> birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa.

> >

> > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY

> REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA IS

> ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK

AT

> THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U HAVE

> FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE

> POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE IN

> KAS.

> >

> > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE

> OVERLOOKED.

> >

> > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN,

AND

> MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT

> GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL LEARN

> MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-)

> >

> >

> >

> > With Regards,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> > ashsam73 wrote:

> > Dear Pratap,

> >

> > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is

comfortable

> > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa.

> >

> > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based on

> the

> > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study

the

> > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume

that

> > those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart to

> > unfold it in a systematic manner.

> >

> > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I

can

> > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer

> > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of

fixed

> > rules?

> >

> > Please reply.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> > , Pratap Kaneria

> >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968.

> > >

> > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help.

> > >

> > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967.

> > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969.

> > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976.

> > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974.

> > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966.

> > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968.

> > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968.

> > >

> > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that can

> > give accurate predictions and the principles would not change

> > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a

> > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata

and

> > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably

> thousands

> > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want to

> > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at

my

> > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it

seems

> to

> > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing

> that

> > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I

> > should mention what I have found.

> > >

> > > Anyway thanks for your efforts,

> > >

> > > With Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > Dear Pratap,

> > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park,

> > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of your

> life

> > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system.

> > >

> > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a

happy

> > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your

> marriage

> > > might have happened after 24 years.

> > >

> > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th

birthday

> > i.e

> > > after nov 28th 1968.

> > >

> > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19

> > >

> > >

> > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper between

> > 18th

> > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves

Ju/Ketu.

> So

> > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec.

> > >

> > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec

> > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec

> > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec

> > >

> > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first strong

> > antra

> > > after delay period is over.

> > >

> > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07

> > >

> > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, the

> > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months.

> > >

> > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range.

> > >

> > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the

prior

> > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of one

> > antra

> > > and start of the other.

> > >

> > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth

> time

> > is

> > > in ball park.

> > >

> > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge the

> > month

> > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will be

> > very

> > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many

> events

> > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and

nakshtras.

> > >

> > > A good exercise.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Pratap

Kaneria

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > >

> > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is

> approximately

> > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening.

Then

> it

> > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have

is

> > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my

> birthdate.

> > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my

> > > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus

> > ascendant

> > > than Gemini.

> > > >

> > > > With Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Pratap

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you share

> > that

> > > > with us please.

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > , Pratap

> Kaneria

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in

> 1968.

> > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month.

> > > > >

> > > > > With Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pratap

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ramesh mishra wrote:

> > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar,

> > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month.

> > > > > Thanks and regards.

> > > > > Ramesh Mishra

> > > > >

> > > > > Pratap Kaneria

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth time

is

> > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My

> answers

> > > are

> > > > below.

> > > > >

> > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for

> us

> > to

> > > > > verify your birth time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you confirm the following.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to

do

> > > with

> > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or

teaching

> > or

> > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government

> and

> > > > Shani

> > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the

> same.

> > > > >

> > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from

India

> as

> > > > well as US.

> > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 I

> > worked

> > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high income

> and

> > > > expenses.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues /

> > work

> > > > > during

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> > > > >

> > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes

> > changed

> > > > jobs

> > > > >

> > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do

your

> > own

> > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment

> ended

> > in

> > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business.

> > > > >

> > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big

> > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might

have

> > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u

> might

> > > have

> > > > > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless,

> this

> > > > > period is very powerful.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in

> > > getting

> > > > a big drug manufacturing project started.

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative

> > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996.

> > > > >

> > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father

health

> > wise

> > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon

> > > mahadasha.

> > > > Mother still lives.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > , Pratap

> > Kaneria

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of

the

> > > group.

> > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I

> > volunteer

> > > my

> > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my

> > > marriage

> > > > > date ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your

> > thoughts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u

by

> > > > sharing

> > > > > > their understanding.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can

> get

> > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support

> your

> > > > > query,

> > > > > > even better.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many

> things

> > > > will

> > > > > > get cleared.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed

> > approach

> > > > and

> > > > > > exercise,

> > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay

> caused

> > by

> > > > > zero

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9

in

> > > > 5:9...

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the

> > > following

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > > > > e.g.

> > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and

say

> > its

> > > > the

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be

giving

> > > delay.

> > > > > as i

> > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in

rasi

> > and

> > > > > > navamsa. ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then

> the

> > > > delay

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after

> > > satrun

> > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in

> lord

> > of

> > > D

> > > > > or E

> > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the

> > time

> > > it

> > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would

> occur

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > 1st

> > > > > > > sector itself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord

of

> > A,

> > > B

> > > > > and C

> > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector

after

> 0

> > > > degree

> > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring

the

> > age

> > > of

> > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1

> and

> > 9

> > > > are

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are

correct ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11

> > > > positioning...

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if

jupiter

> is

> > > in

> > > > > > libra in

> > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or

> nakshatra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having

> > > exactly

> > > > 4

> > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of

> rahu,

> > > > venus

> > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen

> from

> > > the

> > > > > > bhava or

> > > > > > > rashis or both?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus

of

> > > female

> > > > > in

> > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would

> be

> > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for

> > picking

> > > > the

> > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more

> thorough ........

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " kaslearner "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier

and

> > > > others,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay

is

> > > > > nullified

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is

> > > running

> > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could

have

> > > given

> > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered

an

> > > > > > additional

> > > > > > > > 10%

> > > > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when

the

> > > native

> > > > > is

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy

marriage

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house

7.

> So

> > > sun

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for

> > marriage

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points

in

> > the

> > > > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the

> > > second

> > > > > > antra.

> > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for

the

> > > > wishes

> > > > > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Gita

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and

> List

> > > > > Members,

> > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita

it

> > > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the

> > perfect

> > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many.

> > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> > bala

> > > > > sosale

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter

antra

> 2

> > > > > > PDF

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra

> and

> > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for

getting

> > the

> > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this.

> Hope

> > I

> > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn

> from

> > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart

> please

> > > > > > > > analyse

> > > > > > > > > > the following.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth

> > > > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for this

> > Native?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > Bala

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in

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> > > > click

> > > > > > on

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> > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Nalini and List Members,

If you are offering your chart for study the please direct the

question to the list members. So many people are intersted in

learning KAS and are making good progress. Your chart will help

those.

You can also join in and just try to follow the lessons. I do

understand that its hard to learn from ones own chart and the laws

can't be applied without bias.

 

Can list members, take this chart for study purpose. Try to use KAS

and try to time the marriage date, date of job changes, why are

there problems in job or say health, any children, date of death of

parents if so atleast if the time is known can be verfied. Purchase

of some property or travles etc all can be tried and timed.

 

It does not matter if its right or wrong, here Nalini has also

indicated about transit of Sa over 0 points. She is also going

through worries period. Try to see the antra and time when her

problems might have started and also from what areas of life.

 

Gita, Harjeet, Ramesh, Bala, Manu, Dadhi, NS and all others can try

to attempt this chart, discuss and learn. I shall also pitch in as

and when.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

, " auromirra19 "

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> {Om Namo Narayanaya}

>

> Dear Ash ji,

> Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can you

> please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its

what

> I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very

meticulous.

> 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute

> health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and is on

> alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson for

me

> if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required.

> Thanks and Regards

> Nalini

> {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In

> , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pratap,

> > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in

> order

> > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly based

on

> > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of

> change

> > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some

> stress

> > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once u

> gave

> > the correct Mahadasha.

> >

> > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence.

> >

> > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball

> park,

> > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 events 8

> or

> > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is

> working

> > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked

> > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as

> > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS.

> >

> > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is based

on

> > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or

> > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, can

> be

> > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique.

> >

> > That to me is science.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , Ash <ashsam73@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pratap,

> > >

> > > My answers in CAPS below.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria@> wrote:

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I

do

> > not have any system or rules that I propose.

> > >

> > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A

> > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES

ONE

> > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM

U

> > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS

> GIVES

> > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER

> THAT

> > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO

CONVEY

> IS

> > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A

> SCIENCE.

> > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE?

> > >

> > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles

> and

> > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when

> applied

> > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my

> chart

> > is wrong.

> > >

> > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT

> > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR

> SOME

> > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW

SAY

> IF

> > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS

> > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT

> > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS

> > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE

> SEEN

> > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT

MATCH.

> I

> > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME

> EVENT

> > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE

> > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL

> GET

> > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY

IS

> > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA.

> > >

> > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH

OR

> > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE

> > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE

> WILL

> > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING

> > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND

> > PARCEL OF IT.

> > >

> > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate

> > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa.

> > >

> > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY

> > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA

IS

> > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK

> AT

> > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U

HAVE

> > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE

> > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE

IN

> > KAS.

> > >

> > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE

> > OVERLOOKED.

> > >

> > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN,

> AND

> > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT

> > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL

LEARN

> > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > With Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > Dear Pratap,

> > >

> > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is

> comfortable

> > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa.

> > >

> > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based

on

> > the

> > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study

> the

> > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume

> that

> > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart

to

> > > unfold it in a systematic manner.

> > >

> > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I

> can

> > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer

> > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of

> fixed

> > > rules?

> > >

> > > Please reply.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > >

> > > , Pratap

Kaneria

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > >

> > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968.

> > > >

> > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help.

> > > >

> > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967.

> > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969.

> > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976.

> > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974.

> > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966.

> > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968.

> > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968.

> > > >

> > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that

can

> > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not change

> > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a

> > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata

> and

> > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably

> > thousands

> > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want

to

> > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at

> my

> > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it

> seems

> > to

> > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing

> > that

> > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I

> > > should mention what I have found.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts,

> > > >

> > > > With Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Pratap

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park,

> > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of

your

> > life

> > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system.

> > > >

> > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a

> happy

> > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your

> > marriage

> > > > might have happened after 24 years.

> > > >

> > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th

> birthday

> > > i.e

> > > > after nov 28th 1968.

> > > >

> > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper

between

> > > 18th

> > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves

> Ju/Ketu.

> > So

> > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec.

> > > >

> > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec

> > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec

> > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec

> > > >

> > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first

strong

> > > antra

> > > > after delay period is over.

> > > >

> > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07

> > > >

> > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month,

the

> > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months.

> > > >

> > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range.

> > > >

> > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the

> prior

> > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of

one

> > > antra

> > > > and start of the other.

> > > >

> > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth

> > time

> > > is

> > > > in ball park.

> > > >

> > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge

the

> > > month

> > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will

be

> > > very

> > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many

> > events

> > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and

> nakshtras.

> > > >

> > > > A good exercise.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Pratap

> Kaneria

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is

> > approximately

> > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening.

> Then

> > it

> > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have

> is

> > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my

> > birthdate.

> > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my

> > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus

> > > ascendant

> > > > than Gemini.

> > > > >

> > > > > With Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pratap

> > > > >

> > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you

share

> > > that

> > > > > with us please.

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > , Pratap

> > Kaneria

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in

> > 1968.

> > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar,

> > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month.

> > > > > > Thanks and regards.

> > > > > > Ramesh Mishra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pratap Kaneria

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth

time

> is

> > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My

> > answers

> > > > are

> > > > > below.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events

for

> > us

> > > to

> > > > > > verify your birth time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you confirm the following.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something

to

> do

> > > > with

> > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or

> teaching

> > > or

> > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or

government

> > and

> > > > > Shani

> > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to

the

> > same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from

> India

> > as

> > > > > well as US.

> > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986

I

> > > worked

> > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high

income

> > and

> > > > > expenses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from

collegues /

> > > work

> > > > > > during

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes

> > > changed

> > > > > jobs

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do

> your

> > > own

> > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment

> > ended

> > > in

> > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own

business.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some

big

> > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might

> have

> > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u

> > might

> > > > have

> > > > > > started your own business during this time.

Nevertheless,

> > this

> > > > > > period is very powerful.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental

in

> > > > getting

> > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very

lucrative

> > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father

> health

> > > wise

> > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon

> > > > mahadasha.

> > > > > Mother still lives.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Pratap

> > > Kaneria

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of

> the

> > > > group.

> > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I

> > > volunteer

> > > > my

> > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out

my

> > > > marriage

> > > > > > date ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your

> > > thoughts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping

u

> by

> > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > their understanding.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things

can

> > get

> > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to

support

> > your

> > > > > > query,

> > > > > > > even better.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many

> > things

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > get cleared.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed

> > > approach

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > exercise,

> > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay

> > caused

> > > by

> > > > > > zero

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and

9

> in

> > > > > 5:9...

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the

> > > > following

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > > > > > e.g.

> > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and

> say

> > > its

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be

> giving

> > > > delay.

> > > > > > as i

> > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in

> rasi

> > > and

> > > > > > > navamsa. ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E

then

> > the

> > > > > delay

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector

after

> > > > satrun

> > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in

> > lord

> > > of

> > > > D

> > > > > > or E

> > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till

the

> > > time

> > > > it

> > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would

> > occur

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 1st

> > > > > > > > sector itself.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the

lord

> of

> > > A,

> > > > B

> > > > > > and C

> > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector

> after

> > 0

> > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring

> the

> > > age

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of

1

> > and

> > > 9

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor

opposition.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are

> correct ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11

> > > > > positioning...

> > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if

> jupiter

> > is

> > > > in

> > > > > > > libra in

> > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or

> > nakshatra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its

having

> > > > exactly

> > > > > 4

> > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of

> > rahu,

> > > > > venus

> > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > > bhava or

> > > > > > > > rashis or both?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus

> of

> > > > female

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu

would

> > be

> > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for

> > > picking

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more

> > thorough ........

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " kaslearner "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier

> and

> > > > > others,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay

> is

> > > > > > nullified

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he

is

> > > > running

> > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could

> have

> > > > given

> > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I

considered

> an

> > > > > > > additional

> > > > > > > > > 10%

> > > > > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when

> the

> > > > native

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy

> marriage

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house

> 7.

> > So

> > > > sun

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for

> > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good

points

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to

the

> > > > second

> > > > > > > antra.

> > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for

> the

> > > > > wishes

> > > > > > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Gita

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier

and

> > List

> > > > > > Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis.

Gita

> it

> > > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the

> > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many.

> > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

,

> > > bala

> > > > > > sosale

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter

> antra

> > 2

> > > > > > > PDF

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct

antra

> > and

> > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for

> getting

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this.

> > Hope

> > > I

> > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can

learn

> > from

> > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart

> > please

> > > > > > > > > analyse

> > > > > > > > > > > the following.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for this

> > > Native?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bala

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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Naliniji,

I am learning KAS and want to attempt your chart regarding the

problems you mentioned.

Saturn is going through zero in cancer sign... so it would be

troublesome on its own. This house also happens to be 2nd. so might

give some mental worries too. Its lord moon is aspected by Rahu in the

natal chart. Also antra of Rahu is going on from May 2005 till May

2008. Moon afflicted by Rahu gives problems specially to health and

mental worries. Rahu is transiting over your natal moon in pisces too.

Rahu is samdhari to Sun and Mercury. Sun has very low points 10(below

12)for house no 1. in the worksheet. So its giving health probles

because of that. Sun is also karak of health too. Rahu also aspects

mercury in the natal chart which again is the lord of lagna and 4th

house. Rahu's 5 aspect afflicts venus and mars. Mars here is lord of

6th house (work) and 11th house (income).

Rahu gives events regarding the houses for which it becomes stationed

at house D and E... which happens to be 7th house and 11th house.

I dont know your line of work ... but 7th house denotes business

partnerships or work where you deal with people. its also house for

accidents... besides the marriage life. 11th is dealing with income or

trading etc. so events regarding to these houses might occur in the

antra of rahu.

I know i might have gone astray from KAS.. but would like to add on..

So when saturn and rahu both change the sign which would be pretty

soon around october or november this year i guess.. it would be much

relief...

Next antra is of Jupiter which is the strongest significator for house

1 and 10 and second best for house 6th. so this antra should be

favourable with respect to health and career.

I am a learner and would be wrong so pardon me if for anything.

Thanks/Regards

Harjeet

 

 

, " auromirra19 "

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> {Om Namo Narayanaya}

>

> Dear Ash ji,

> Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can you

> please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its what

> I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very meticulous.

> 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute

> health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and is on

> alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson for me

> if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required.

> Thanks and Regards

> Nalini

> {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In

> , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pratap,

> > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in

> order

> > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly based on

> > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of

> change

> > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some

> stress

> > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once u

> gave

> > the correct Mahadasha.

> >

> > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence.

> >

> > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball

> park,

> > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 events 8

> or

> > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is

> working

> > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked

> > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as

> > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS.

> >

> > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is based on

> > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or

> > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, can

> be

> > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique.

> >

> > That to me is science.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , Ash <ashsam73@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pratap,

> > >

> > > My answers in CAPS below.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria@> wrote:

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I do

> > not have any system or rules that I propose.

> > >

> > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A

> > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES ONE

> > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM U

> > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS

> GIVES

> > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER

> THAT

> > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO CONVEY

> IS

> > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A

> SCIENCE.

> > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE?

> > >

> > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles

> and

> > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when

> applied

> > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my

> chart

> > is wrong.

> > >

> > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT

> > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR

> SOME

> > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW SAY

> IF

> > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS

> > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT

> > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS

> > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE

> SEEN

> > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT MATCH.

> I

> > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME

> EVENT

> > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE

> > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL

> GET

> > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY IS

> > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA.

> > >

> > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH OR

> > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE

> > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE

> WILL

> > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING

> > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND

> > PARCEL OF IT.

> > >

> > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate

> > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa.

> > >

> > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY

> > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA IS

> > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK

> AT

> > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U HAVE

> > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE

> > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE IN

> > KAS.

> > >

> > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE

> > OVERLOOKED.

> > >

> > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN,

> AND

> > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT

> > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL LEARN

> > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > With Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > Dear Pratap,

> > >

> > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is

> comfortable

> > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa.

> > >

> > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based on

> > the

> > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study

> the

> > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume

> that

> > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart to

> > > unfold it in a systematic manner.

> > >

> > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I

> can

> > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer

> > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of

> fixed

> > > rules?

> > >

> > > Please reply.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > >

> > > , Pratap Kaneria

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > >

> > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968.

> > > >

> > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help.

> > > >

> > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967.

> > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969.

> > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976.

> > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974.

> > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966.

> > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968.

> > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968.

> > > >

> > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that can

> > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not change

> > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a

> > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata

> and

> > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably

> > thousands

> > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want to

> > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at

> my

> > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it

> seems

> > to

> > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing

> > that

> > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I

> > > should mention what I have found.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts,

> > > >

> > > > With Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Pratap

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park,

> > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of your

> > life

> > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system.

> > > >

> > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a

> happy

> > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your

> > marriage

> > > > might have happened after 24 years.

> > > >

> > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th

> birthday

> > > i.e

> > > > after nov 28th 1968.

> > > >

> > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper between

> > > 18th

> > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves

> Ju/Ketu.

> > So

> > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec.

> > > >

> > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec

> > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec

> > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec

> > > >

> > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first strong

> > > antra

> > > > after delay period is over.

> > > >

> > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07

> > > >

> > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, the

> > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months.

> > > >

> > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range.

> > > >

> > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the

> prior

> > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of one

> > > antra

> > > > and start of the other.

> > > >

> > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth

> > time

> > > is

> > > > in ball park.

> > > >

> > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge the

> > > month

> > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will be

> > > very

> > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many

> > events

> > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and

> nakshtras.

> > > >

> > > > A good exercise.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Pratap

> Kaneria

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is

> > approximately

> > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening.

> Then

> > it

> > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have

> is

> > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my

> > birthdate.

> > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my

> > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus

> > > ascendant

> > > > than Gemini.

> > > > >

> > > > > With Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pratap

> > > > >

> > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you share

> > > that

> > > > > with us please.

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > , Pratap

> > Kaneria

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in

> > 1968.

> > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar,

> > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month.

> > > > > > Thanks and regards.

> > > > > > Ramesh Mishra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pratap Kaneria

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth time

> is

> > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My

> > answers

> > > > are

> > > > > below.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for

> > us

> > > to

> > > > > > verify your birth time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you confirm the following.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to

> do

> > > > with

> > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or

> teaching

> > > or

> > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government

> > and

> > > > > Shani

> > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the

> > same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from

> India

> > as

> > > > > well as US.

> > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 I

> > > worked

> > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high income

> > and

> > > > > expenses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues /

> > > work

> > > > > > during

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes

> > > changed

> > > > > jobs

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do

> your

> > > own

> > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment

> > ended

> > > in

> > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own business.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big

> > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might

> have

> > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u

> > might

> > > > have

> > > > > > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless,

> > this

> > > > > > period is very powerful.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in

> > > > getting

> > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative

> > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father

> health

> > > wise

> > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon

> > > > mahadasha.

> > > > > Mother still lives.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Pratap

> > > Kaneria

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of

> the

> > > > group.

> > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I

> > > volunteer

> > > > my

> > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my

> > > > marriage

> > > > > > date ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your

> > > thoughts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u

> by

> > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > their understanding.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can

> > get

> > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support

> > your

> > > > > > query,

> > > > > > > even better.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many

> > things

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > get cleared.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed

> > > approach

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > exercise,

> > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay

> > caused

> > > by

> > > > > > zero

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9

> in

> > > > > 5:9...

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the

> > > > following

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > > > > > e.g.

> > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and

> say

> > > its

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be

> giving

> > > > delay.

> > > > > > as i

> > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in

> rasi

> > > and

> > > > > > > navamsa. ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then

> > the

> > > > > delay

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after

> > > > satrun

> > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in

> > lord

> > > of

> > > > D

> > > > > > or E

> > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the

> > > time

> > > > it

> > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would

> > occur

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 1st

> > > > > > > > sector itself.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord

> of

> > > A,

> > > > B

> > > > > > and C

> > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector

> after

> > 0

> > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring

> the

> > > age

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1

> > and

> > > 9

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are

> correct ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11

> > > > > positioning...

> > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if

> jupiter

> > is

> > > > in

> > > > > > > libra in

> > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or

> > nakshatra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having

> > > > exactly

> > > > > 4

> > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of

> > rahu,

> > > > > venus

> > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > > bhava or

> > > > > > > > rashis or both?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus

> of

> > > > female

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would

> > be

> > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for

> > > picking

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more

> > thorough ........

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " kaslearner "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier

> and

> > > > > others,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay

> is

> > > > > > nullified

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is

> > > > running

> > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could

> have

> > > > given

> > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered

> an

> > > > > > > additional

> > > > > > > > > 10%

> > > > > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when

> the

> > > > native

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy

> marriage

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house

> 7.

> > So

> > > > sun

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for

> > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the

> > > > second

> > > > > > > antra.

> > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for

> the

> > > > > wishes

> > > > > > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Gita

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and

> > List

> > > > > > Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita

> it

> > > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the

> > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many.

> > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > bala

> > > > > > sosale

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter

> antra

> > 2

> > > > > > > PDF

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra

> > and

> > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for

> getting

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this.

> > Hope

> > > I

> > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn

> > from

> > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart

> > please

> > > > > > > > > analyse

> > > > > > > > > > > the following.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for this

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Got it! Thanks a lot Ash

 

Thanks & Regards,

Manu

 

 

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73 wrote:

>

> Dear Manu,

> Take Leo lagna. If Sa aspects Mercury in navamsa then there is full

> delay.

>

> We cannot mix house in navamsa. Meas say if Sa is in 2nd house in

> Rasi and placed in 7th house in navsmasa there cant be delay like

> that.

>

> Keep Navamsa house seperate. That is not to be mixed with Rasi.

>

> So Sa must aspect A,B,C of RASI or the lords of ABC in rasi or

> navamsa. i.e only Lords of ABC of Rasi in navamsa.

>

> Assume Sa is not aspecting House A,B,C in Rasi nor the lords of

> A,B,C of Rasi in Rasi or navamsa.

>

> Next we check if there is delay in navamsa. Means here we only take

> house. So now u keep aside Rasi. Focus on navamsa. We have

> already checked Rasi and found that there is no delay.

>

> Now in navamsa say Shani is in 5th house then there is full delay as

> it will ASPECT HOUSE A B AND C OF NAVAMSA.

>

> And in navamsa we cannot take lords of House A,B,C of navamsa. Only

> House.

>

> I hope its clear.

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " Manu Batura "

> <manubatura@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > Since, for Ju we are considering aspect of Ju on LoA of rasi in

> > navamsa. Can we similarly consider aspect of Sa on LoA of rasi in

> navamsa.

> >

> > So, if Sa aspects LoA of rasi in navamsa and aspects LoB of rasi in

> > navamsa and aspects House C in navamsa. Can we say there is full

> delay

> > due to saturn?

> >

> > Here, I am not taking lords of A, B, C in navamsa, I am taking

> lords

> > of A, B, C of rasi chart in navamsa, so maybe I am still obeying

> > Krushnaji's rule.

> >

> > Kindly clarify.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> > Manu

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Harjeet,

> > >

> > > No. Gita answered correctly.

> > >

> > > We do not take lords in navamsa. Krushnaji had told me that.

> We

> > > only take house. So Sa say in 5th house in navamsa will cause

> delay.

> > >

> > > For Rasi, say if Ju is aspecting 2nd lord and 7th house then its

> > > delay. Restricted to Rasi.

> > >

> > > We can check the aspect of Ju on lords or 2nd or 7th OF RASI IN

> > > NAVAMSA.

> > >

> > > Same thing like Sa.

> > >

> > > for delay due to Sa, how we take. Sa's aspect on House A,B and

> C or

> > > their lords in Rasi or navmsa (means lords of Rasi's 2nd, 7th

> and

> > > 11th).

> > >

> > > Then we check if Sa is delay causing in Navamsa.

> > >

> > > There we restrict it to only house. So sa in 5th house in

> Navamsa

> > > will cause full delay as it will ASPECT HOUSE A, B AND C.

> > >

> > > In navamsa we do not take lords of the house, but only aspect on

> > > house.

> > >

> > > Even if u carefully study the D-Charts WS, we only take the

> > > Ashtakvarg power for A+B+C only. i.e .top part of the WS. The

> > > bottom part i.e 4:10, aspects etc is not taken.

> > >

> > > So same thing with Ju.

> > >

> > > If Ju aspects LoA and LoB in Rasi or Navamsa but Both then there

> is

> > > delay.

> > >

> > > If Ju is lord of 1 house means 7th or 2nd in Rasi and aspects

> the

> > > other LORD in navamsa that is also delay.

> > >

> > > For Navamsa, I would think same principles apply, Ju is lord of

> 1

> > > house in navmsa and it aspects the other house (2nd or 7th house

> in

> > > navamsa), but we dotn take lords of 2nd house in navasma or 7th

> > > house.

> > >

> > > Atleast thats my understanding this far.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

> , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Ashji,

> > > > Learnt something new again... could have never thought of it.

> > > > Sir my repeated question again if you can answer please...

> > > > I dont have any chart to give as an example. but giving a

> scenario.

> > > > Jupiter in A in rasi and in navamsa its situated in B.

> > > > would this also be a dealy of jupiter?

> > > > sorry for being annoying.

> > > > thanks/regards

> > > > harjeet

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Gita,

> > > > > Again my mails are not reaching the list. I have replied to

> > > this

> > > > > question.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let me try again.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mo is 2nd lord in Rasi and Ju itself is 7th lord.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ju is aspecting Moon in Navamsa and itself is 7th lord in

> Rasi.

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > > --- In

> , " kaslearner "

> > > > > <kaslearner@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am not able to get Jupiter Delay.. Can you explain??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Gita

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Did your father expire in Mo/Sa antra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saturn 1979-Mar-20 1980-Oct-19

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you can confirm this it will be good.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ok, yes your birth time is slightly rectified.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In any case, its in the ball park.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I shall attempt to time your marriage.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no delay due to Shani. There is delay due to

> > > Guru.

> > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > is in nak of Moola and aspected by Shani. There are no

> > > zeroes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So marriage can be after 24 years.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > At the end of 24 years you were running Ve/Ke. The very

> end

> > > of

> > > > > > it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Next powerful antra is that of Su/Mo.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07

> 1969-

> > > > > Oct-07

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So I feel Moon antra might give u marraige.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Atleast in my opinion you should be married before Su/Ju

> > > antra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter 1971-Jan-06

> 1971-

> > > > > > Oct-26

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If antra is proper i.e Sun/Mo. Then i will try to

> narrow it

> > > > > > further.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanking you,

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Pratap

> > > Kaneria

> > > > > > > <pkaneria@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth

> > > time is

> > > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My

> > > answers

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > below.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events

> for

> > > us

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > verify your birth time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something

> to

> > > do

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or

> > > teaching

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or

> government

> > > and

> > > > > > > Shani

> > > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to

> the

> > > same.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees

> from

> > > India

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > well as US.

> > > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since

> 1986

> > > I

> > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high

> > > income

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > expenses.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from

> collegues /

> > > > > work

> > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues.

> Yes

> > > > > changed

> > > > > > > jobs

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do

> > > your

> > > > > own

> > > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting

> assignment

> > > ended

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own

> business.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some

> big

> > > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also

> might

> > > have

> > > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if

> u

> > > might

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > started your own business during this time.

> Nevertheless,

> > > this

> > > > > > > > period is very powerful.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental

> in

> > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very

> lucrative

> > > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father

> > > health

> > > > > wise

> > > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in

> Moon

> > > > > > mahadasha.

> > > > > > > Mother still lives.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

> Pratap

> > > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > group.

> > > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I

> > > > > volunteer

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27,

> 21N44.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out

> my

> > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > date ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your

> > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion

> helping u

> > > by

> > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > their understanding.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things

> can

> > > get

> > > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to

> support

> > > your

> > > > > > > > query,

> > > > > > > > > even better.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so

> many

> > > things

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > get cleared.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > >

> , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for

> detailed

> > > > > approach

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > exercise,

> > > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay

> > > caused

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > zero

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1

> and 9

> > > in

> > > > > > > 5:9...

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about

> the

> > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > > > > > > > e.g.

> > > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C.

> and

> > > say

> > > > > its

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be

> > > giving

> > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > as i

> > > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined

> in

> > > rasi

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > navamsa. ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E

> then

> > > the

> > > > > > > delay

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector

> after

> > > > > > satrun

> > > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn

> in

> > > lord

> > > > > of

> > > > > > D

> > > > > > > > or E

> > > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till

> the

> > > > > time

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event

> would

> > > occur

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 1st

> > > > > > > > > > sector itself.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the

> lord

> > > of

> > > > > A,

> > > > > > B

> > > > > > > > and C

> > > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector

> > > after 0

> > > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled

> bring

> > > the

> > > > > age

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord

> of 1

> > > and

> > > > > 9

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor

> opposition.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are

> > > correct ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11

> > > > > > > positioning...

> > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if

> > > jupiter is

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > libra in

> > > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or

> > > nakshatra.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its

> having

> > > > > > exactly

> > > > > > > 4

> > > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects

> of

> > > rahu,

> > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are

> seen

> > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > bhava or

> > > > > > > > > > rashis or both?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to

> venus

> > > of

> > > > > > female

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu

> would

> > > be

> > > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV

> for

> > > > > picking

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more

> > > thorough ........

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in

> line.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " kaslearner "

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet,

> Xavier

> > > and

> > > > > > > others,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter

> delay

> > > is

> > > > > > > > nullified

> > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he

> is

> > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and

> could

> > > have

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I

> considered

> > > an

> > > > > > > > > additional

> > > > > > > > > > > 10%

> > > > > > > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989

> when

> > > the

> > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy

> > > marriage

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by

> Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from

> house

> > > 7. So

> > > > > > sun

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power

> for

> > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good

> points

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to

> the

> > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks

> for

> > > the

> > > > > > > wishes

> > > > > > > > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Gita

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier

> and

> > > List

> > > > > > > > Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis.

> Gita

> > > it

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to

> the

> > > > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for

> many.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this

> puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> ,

> > > > > bala

> > > > > > > > sosale

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter

> > > antra 2

> > > > > > > > > PDF

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct

> antra

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for

> > > getting

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying

> this.

> > > Hope

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can

> learn

> > > from

> > > > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart

> > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > analyse

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the following.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for

> this

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Dear Nalini,

You must be a brilliant person with a photographic memory and very

knowledgeable.

You must be very helpful and undertsanding by nature and also very

adjustive.

Your chart is setup in a peculiar way. From 2nd thru to 6th house

the SAV points are all over 28 and from 7th thru to 10th they are

less than 28. 11th = 12th = 28 points.

So when transit planets travel from 2nd thru 6th continiously your

daily points in transits will go up and then once they hit 7th hosue

they would drop. Mostly Ve, Me and Su are close by. This is very

generally speaking.

 

Your profession will be linked to Mercury and Moon. Mercury and

Moon i.e. profession giving planets are again in 10th house in Rasi

and can indicated authority too.

 

Your 6th house and 10th house planets are powerful except Venus and

Saturn. So some problems can be expected in those antra. Otherwise

your career is good. Also 9th and 10th lords are conjoining in 7th

house and 10th lord is in 10th indicating good status and rise in

life career wise. Only thing is that u are too nice so people might

take advantage of your kindness.

 

So Ve/Ve antra might have given u some problems in Career.

 

Venus 1998-Mar-14 2001-Jul-14

 

Venus is karak for 10th house, 5th house, 1st house, 7th house and

12th house. So all the antras in Venus MD will be linked to the

same, again Venus is SD to Mars who is also 6th lord and 11th lord.

Venus is SD to Mars so some effect of that too. Venus is SD to Guru

also so some effect of that also blending in.

 

You also have the blessing of your father/guru. So that is good.

 

About August 2004 the problems might have started to become more

intensed. i.e when Shani comes to last degree in Gemini and about

to transit into Cancer. That time u were running Mars antra in

Venus MD. Mars has less power in 5th house, 7th house and 12th

house. Here Venus is karak for 7th and it has less power in 7th

house so it might show some kind of accident or operation,

especially since Sa and Ju = 5 at the same time Sa is transitting

over 0 points and problems coming to you are related to 1st, 2nd,

3rd and 4th house matters. Peace of mind is gone and lots of

worries and unnecessary worries will be there.

 

You have started Rahu antra now and Rahu is SD to Su and Me. Rahu

will be more like Mercury. Mercury has good power and is very

powerful for 4th house, 8th house, 11th house and 7th house by

virtue of being LoD and LoE. Its weak for 5th house, 9th and 12th.

So some problems in these areas of life or say stress, so it can

related to speculations, children, father, and pleasures.

 

11th v/s 12th house is showing more points for 11th than 12th so no

stress about income as such, however 12th house points are less so

its showing less happiness and pleasures.

 

Regarding Marriage.

 

Sa is in 5th hosue in navamsa showing full delay, Guru is aspecting

Shani so moderating it, u got 1 zero in SAV. Shani is at 23deg19

and Sa has 0 and Sa itself is giving u blessing here.

 

Considering all factors I feel marriage willl happen after 23 years

of age. So mars antra runs then and Mars is weak for 7th house in

WS so it cant give marriage. Next antra is that of Rahu. Rahu is

in House D so its very eager to give marriage.

 

Rahu 1983-Sep-10 1986-Mar-30

 

I feel 2nd sector will give marriage.

 

Sector 2 1984-Jul-17 1985-May-23

 

and strong date as per probable date finder is

 

Sun and Venus 31-Aug 12-Sep

 

So in 31st Aug thru 12th sept in 1984 would be my pick.

 

Then after marriage, Rahu itself can give Conception. But here

Venus is with Mars and aspected by Rahu so its showing some issues

some miscarriage or cesearean child birth. Mars itslef is also 11th

lord and aspected by Rahu. So again showing that. 5th house points

for Me are weak (Rahu) but 11th is strong. So I am getting some

question here.

Next antra is that of Ju and that will give conception.

 

Ok, I am out of time.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " auromirra19 "

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

> {Om Namo Narayanaya}

>

> Dear Ash ji,

> Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can you

> please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its

what

> I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very

meticulous.

> 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute

> health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and is on

> alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson for

me

> if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required.

> Thanks and Regards

> Nalini

> {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In

> , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pratap,

> > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in

> order

> > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly based

on

> > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of

> change

> > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some

> stress

> > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once u

> gave

> > the correct Mahadasha.

> >

> > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence.

> >

> > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball

> park,

> > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 events 8

> or

> > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is

> working

> > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked

> > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as

> > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS.

> >

> > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is based

on

> > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or

> > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, can

> be

> > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique.

> >

> > That to me is science.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , Ash <ashsam73@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pratap,

> > >

> > > My answers in CAPS below.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria@> wrote:

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I

do

> > not have any system or rules that I propose.

> > >

> > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A

> > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES

ONE

> > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM

U

> > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS

> GIVES

> > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER

> THAT

> > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO

CONVEY

> IS

> > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A

> SCIENCE.

> > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE?

> > >

> > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles

> and

> > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when

> applied

> > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my

> chart

> > is wrong.

> > >

> > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT

> > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR

> SOME

> > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW

SAY

> IF

> > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS

> > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT

> > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS

> > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE

> SEEN

> > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT

MATCH.

> I

> > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME

> EVENT

> > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE

> > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL

> GET

> > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY

IS

> > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA.

> > >

> > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH

OR

> > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE

> > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE

> WILL

> > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING

> > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND

> > PARCEL OF IT.

> > >

> > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate

> > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa.

> > >

> > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY

> > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA

IS

> > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK

> AT

> > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U

HAVE

> > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE

> > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE

IN

> > KAS.

> > >

> > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE

> > OVERLOOKED.

> > >

> > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN,

> AND

> > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT

> > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL

LEARN

> > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > With Regards,

> > >

> > > Pratap

> > >

> > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > Dear Pratap,

> > >

> > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is

> comfortable

> > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa.

> > >

> > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based

on

> > the

> > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study

> the

> > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume

> that

> > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart

to

> > > unfold it in a systematic manner.

> > >

> > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I

> can

> > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer

> > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of

> fixed

> > > rules?

> > >

> > > Please reply.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > >

> > > , Pratap

Kaneria

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > >

> > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968.

> > > >

> > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help.

> > > >

> > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967.

> > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969.

> > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976.

> > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974.

> > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966.

> > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968.

> > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968.

> > > >

> > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that

can

> > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not change

> > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a

> > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata

> and

> > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably

> > thousands

> > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want

to

> > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at

> my

> > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it

> seems

> > to

> > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing

> > that

> > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I

> > > should mention what I have found.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts,

> > > >

> > > > With Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Pratap

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park,

> > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of

your

> > life

> > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system.

> > > >

> > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a

> happy

> > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your

> > marriage

> > > > might have happened after 24 years.

> > > >

> > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th

> birthday

> > > i.e

> > > > after nov 28th 1968.

> > > >

> > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper

between

> > > 18th

> > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves

> Ju/Ketu.

> > So

> > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec.

> > > >

> > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec

> > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec

> > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec

> > > >

> > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first

strong

> > > antra

> > > > after delay period is over.

> > > >

> > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07

> > > >

> > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month,

the

> > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months.

> > > >

> > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range.

> > > >

> > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the

> prior

> > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of

one

> > > antra

> > > > and start of the other.

> > > >

> > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth

> > time

> > > is

> > > > in ball park.

> > > >

> > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge

the

> > > month

> > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will

be

> > > very

> > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many

> > events

> > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and

> nakshtras.

> > > >

> > > > A good exercise.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Pratap

> Kaneria

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is

> > approximately

> > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening.

> Then

> > it

> > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have

> is

> > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my

> > birthdate.

> > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my

> > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus

> > > ascendant

> > > > than Gemini.

> > > > >

> > > > > With Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pratap

> > > > >

> > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you

share

> > > that

> > > > > with us please.

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > , Pratap

> > Kaneria

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in

> > 1968.

> > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar,

> > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month.

> > > > > > Thanks and regards.

> > > > > > Ramesh Mishra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pratap Kaneria

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth

time

> is

> > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My

> > answers

> > > > are

> > > > > below.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events

for

> > us

> > > to

> > > > > > verify your birth time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you confirm the following.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something

to

> do

> > > > with

> > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or

> teaching

> > > or

> > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or

government

> > and

> > > > > Shani

> > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to

the

> > same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from

> India

> > as

> > > > > well as US.

> > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986

I

> > > worked

> > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high

income

> > and

> > > > > expenses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from

collegues /

> > > work

> > > > > > during

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes

> > > changed

> > > > > jobs

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do

> your

> > > own

> > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment

> > ended

> > > in

> > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own

business.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some

big

> > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might

> have

> > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u

> > might

> > > > have

> > > > > > started your own business during this time.

Nevertheless,

> > this

> > > > > > period is very powerful.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental

in

> > > > getting

> > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very

lucrative

> > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father

> health

> > > wise

> > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon

> > > > mahadasha.

> > > > > Mother still lives.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Pratap

> > > Kaneria

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of

> the

> > > > group.

> > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I

> > > volunteer

> > > > my

> > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out

my

> > > > marriage

> > > > > > date ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your

> > > thoughts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping

u

> by

> > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > their understanding.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things

can

> > get

> > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to

support

> > your

> > > > > > query,

> > > > > > > even better.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many

> > things

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > get cleared.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed

> > > approach

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > exercise,

> > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay

> > caused

> > > by

> > > > > > zero

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and

9

> in

> > > > > 5:9...

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the

> > > > following

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > > > > > e.g.

> > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and

> say

> > > its

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be

> giving

> > > > delay.

> > > > > > as i

> > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in

> rasi

> > > and

> > > > > > > navamsa. ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E

then

> > the

> > > > > delay

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector

after

> > > > satrun

> > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in

> > lord

> > > of

> > > > D

> > > > > > or E

> > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till

the

> > > time

> > > > it

> > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would

> > occur

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 1st

> > > > > > > > sector itself.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the

lord

> of

> > > A,

> > > > B

> > > > > > and C

> > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector

> after

> > 0

> > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring

> the

> > > age

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of

1

> > and

> > > 9

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor

opposition.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are

> correct ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11

> > > > > positioning...

> > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if

> jupiter

> > is

> > > > in

> > > > > > > libra in

> > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or

> > nakshatra.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its

having

> > > > exactly

> > > > > 4

> > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of

> > rahu,

> > > > > venus

> > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > > bhava or

> > > > > > > > rashis or both?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus

> of

> > > > female

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu

would

> > be

> > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for

> > > picking

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more

> > thorough ........

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " kaslearner "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier

> and

> > > > > others,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay

> is

> > > > > > nullified

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he

is

> > > > running

> > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could

> have

> > > > given

> > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I

considered

> an

> > > > > > > additional

> > > > > > > > > 10%

> > > > > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when

> the

> > > > native

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy

> marriage

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house

> 7.

> > So

> > > > sun

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for

> > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good

points

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to

the

> > > > second

> > > > > > > antra.

> > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for

> the

> > > > > wishes

> > > > > > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Gita

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier

and

> > List

> > > > > > Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis.

Gita

> it

> > > > will

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the

> > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many.

> > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

,

> > > bala

> > > > > > sosale

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter

> antra

> > 2

> > > > > > > PDF

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct

antra

> > and

> > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for

> getting

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this.

> > Hope

> > > I

> > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can

learn

> > from

> > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart

> > please

> > > > > > > > > analyse

> > > > > > > > > > > the following.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > Native?

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Naliniji,

The discussion of Sri.ashsam is great.May I also give my analysis.?Regarding

job front,

The tenth lord Jupiter is in own sign ie in his moola trikonam.he is strong

and favourable.The lord of the nineth ie Saturn is with him.That too is

good.?Rahu aspects both Jupiter and Saturn ie by " jaimini aspect " .

Moon ,Mercury and Ketu are situated in the tenth house.Mercury is

debilitated.(Of course his debilitation is not effective).

Jupiter is the lord of the tenth from Moon sign also.So almost every planet

is involved in promoting " DasamaBhavam " .Saturn is the " Karaka " for

jobs.Heis strong.

Therefore, you are sure to get employed .You wil secure a respectable and

gentle job.The combination of Saturn who is the Karmakaraka and Jupiter the

Dharma Karaka indicates that you are a gentle and respectable person of the

first order.

Ketu is with Moon and therefore your mother has the name of a goddess say " a

goddess who alights on a Lotus " .or one who is adorned by the attribute of

Music.?A watery one.That also indicates that there is a temple of Mother

Goddess where you were born or your mother was born.

saturn aspects Moon .hence your mother too is a source of income.There is

semblence between your good name and the name of your mother.She too is

educated.to an extent.At your age of thirty there was obstruction to your

studies.this is because at that time Jupiter transited to Cancer.

ketu and Saturn promote the feeling to give up any existing job.More over

Saturn is the lord of the eigth house.All the more he denies job.Your grand

mother had bad time during Mercurys dasa from 1975 to 1992.venus in the

eigth house denies job.

Please write to me whether my discussion is useful.?

regards,

jagannathan.

 

 

On 5/10/06, ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

>

> Dear Nalini,

> You must be a brilliant person with a photographic memory and very

> knowledgeable.

> You must be very helpful and undertsanding by nature and also very

> adjustive.

> Your chart is setup in a peculiar way. From 2nd thru to 6th house

> the SAV points are all over 28 and from 7th thru to 10th they are

> less than 28. 11th = 12th = 28 points.

> So when transit planets travel from 2nd thru 6th continiously your

> daily points in transits will go up and then once they hit 7th hosue

> they would drop. Mostly Ve, Me and Su are close by. This is very

> generally speaking.

>

> Your profession will be linked to Mercury and Moon. Mercury and

> Moon i.e. profession giving planets are again in 10th house in Rasi

> and can indicated authority too.

>

> Your 6th house and 10th house planets are powerful except Venus and

> Saturn. So some problems can be expected in those antra. Otherwise

> your career is good. Also 9th and 10th lords are conjoining in 7th

> house and 10th lord is in 10th indicating good status and rise in

> life career wise. Only thing is that u are too nice so people might

> take advantage of your kindness.

>

> So Ve/Ve antra might have given u some problems in Career.

>

> Venus 1998-Mar-14 2001-Jul-14

>

> Venus is karak for 10th house, 5th house, 1st house, 7th house and

> 12th house. So all the antras in Venus MD will be linked to the

> same, again Venus is SD to Mars who is also 6th lord and 11th lord.

> Venus is SD to Mars so some effect of that too. Venus is SD to Guru

> also so some effect of that also blending in.

>

> You also have the blessing of your father/guru. So that is good.

>

> About August 2004 the problems might have started to become more

> intensed. i.e when Shani comes to last degree in Gemini and about

> to transit into Cancer. That time u were running Mars antra in

> Venus MD. Mars has less power in 5th house, 7th house and 12th

> house. Here Venus is karak for 7th and it has less power in 7th

> house so it might show some kind of accident or operation,

> especially since Sa and Ju = 5 at the same time Sa is transitting

> over 0 points and problems coming to you are related to 1st, 2nd,

> 3rd and 4th house matters. Peace of mind is gone and lots of

> worries and unnecessary worries will be there.

>

> You have started Rahu antra now and Rahu is SD to Su and Me. Rahu

> will be more like Mercury. Mercury has good power and is very

> powerful for 4th house, 8th house, 11th house and 7th house by

> virtue of being LoD and LoE. Its weak for 5th house, 9th and 12th.

> So some problems in these areas of life or say stress, so it can

> related to speculations, children, father, and pleasures.

>

> 11th v/s 12th house is showing more points for 11th than 12th so no

> stress about income as such, however 12th house points are less so

> its showing less happiness and pleasures.

>

> Regarding Marriage.

>

> Sa is in 5th hosue in navamsa showing full delay, Guru is aspecting

> Shani so moderating it, u got 1 zero in SAV. Shani is at 23deg19

> and Sa has 0 and Sa itself is giving u blessing here.

>

> Considering all factors I feel marriage willl happen after 23 years

> of age. So mars antra runs then and Mars is weak for 7th house in

> WS so it cant give marriage. Next antra is that of Rahu. Rahu is

> in House D so its very eager to give marriage.

>

> Rahu 1983-Sep-10 1986-Mar-30

>

> I feel 2nd sector will give marriage.

>

> Sector 2 1984-Jul-17 1985-May-23

>

> and strong date as per probable date finder is

>

> Sun and Venus 31-Aug 12-Sep

>

> So in 31st Aug thru 12th sept in 1984 would be my pick.

>

> Then after marriage, Rahu itself can give Conception. But here

> Venus is with Mars and aspected by Rahu so its showing some issues

> some miscarriage or cesearean child birth. Mars itslef is also 11th

> lord and aspected by Rahu. So again showing that. 5th house points

> for Me are weak (Rahu) but 11th is strong. So I am getting some

> question here.

> Next antra is that of Ju and that will give conception.

>

> Ok, I am out of time.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " auromirra19 "

> <nalini2818 wrote:

> >

> > {Om Namo Narayanaya}

> >

> > Dear Ash ji,

> > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can you

> > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its

> what

> > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very

> meticulous.

> > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute

> > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and is on

> > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson for

> me

> > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required.

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Nalini

> > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In

> > , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pratap,

> > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in

> > order

> > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly based

> on

> > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of

> > change

> > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some

> > stress

> > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once u

> > gave

> > > the correct Mahadasha.

> > >

> > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence.

> > >

> > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball

> > park,

> > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 events 8

> > or

> > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is

> > working

> > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked

> > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as

> > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS.

> > >

> > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is based

> on

> > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or

> > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, can

> > be

> > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique.

> > >

> > > That to me is science.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , Ash <ashsam73@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > >

> > > > My answers in CAPS below.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria@> wrote:

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > >

> > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I

> do

> > > not have any system or rules that I propose.

> > > >

> > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A

> > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES

> ONE

> > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM

> U

> > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS

> > GIVES

> > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER

> > THAT

> > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO

> CONVEY

> > IS

> > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A

> > SCIENCE.

> > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE?

> > > >

> > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles

> > and

> > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when

> > applied

> > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my

> > chart

> > > is wrong.

> > > >

> > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT

> > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR

> > SOME

> > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW

> SAY

> > IF

> > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS

> > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT

> > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS

> > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE

> > SEEN

> > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT

> MATCH.

> > I

> > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME

> > EVENT

> > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE

> > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL

> > GET

> > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY

> IS

> > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA.

> > > >

> > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH

> OR

> > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE

> > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE

> > WILL

> > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING

> > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND

> > > PARCEL OF IT.

> > > >

> > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate

> > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa.

> > > >

> > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY

> > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA

> IS

> > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK

> > AT

> > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U

> HAVE

> > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE

> > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE

> IN

> > > KAS.

> > > >

> > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE

> > > OVERLOOKED.

> > > >

> > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN,

> > AND

> > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT

> > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL

> LEARN

> > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > With Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Pratap

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > >

> > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is

> > comfortable

> > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa.

> > > >

> > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based

> on

> > > the

> > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study

> > the

> > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume

> > that

> > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart

> to

> > > > unfold it in a systematic manner.

> > > >

> > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I

> > can

> > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer

> > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of

> > fixed

> > > > rules?

> > > >

> > > > Please reply.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Pratap

> Kaneria

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > >

> > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968.

> > > > >

> > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967.

> > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969.

> > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976.

> > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974.

> > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966.

> > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968.

> > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that

> can

> > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not change

> > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a

> > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata

> > and

> > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably

> > > thousands

> > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want

> to

> > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at

> > my

> > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it

> > seems

> > > to

> > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing

> > > that

> > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I

> > > > should mention what I have found.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts,

> > > > >

> > > > > With Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pratap

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park,

> > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of

> your

> > > life

> > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system.

> > > > >

> > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a

> > happy

> > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your

> > > marriage

> > > > > might have happened after 24 years.

> > > > >

> > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th

> > birthday

> > > > i.e

> > > > > after nov 28th 1968.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper

> between

> > > > 18th

> > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves

> > Ju/Ketu.

> > > So

> > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec

> > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec

> > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec

> > > > >

> > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first

> strong

> > > > antra

> > > > > after delay period is over.

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07

> > > > >

> > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month,

> the

> > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the

> > prior

> > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of

> one

> > > > antra

> > > > > and start of the other.

> > > > >

> > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth

> > > time

> > > > is

> > > > > in ball park.

> > > > >

> > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge

> the

> > > > month

> > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will

> be

> > > > very

> > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many

> > > events

> > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and

> > nakshtras.

> > > > >

> > > > > A good exercise.

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Pratap

> > Kaneria

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is

> > > approximately

> > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening.

> > Then

> > > it

> > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have

> > is

> > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my

> > > birthdate.

> > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my

> > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus

> > > > ascendant

> > > > > than Gemini.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you

> share

> > > > that

> > > > > > with us please.

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Pratap

> > > Kaneria

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in

> > > 1968.

> > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar,

> > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month.

> > > > > > > Thanks and regards.

> > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth

> time

> > is

> > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My

> > > answers

> > > > > are

> > > > > > below.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events

> for

> > > us

> > > > to

> > > > > > > verify your birth time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you confirm the following.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something

> to

> > do

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or

> > teaching

> > > > or

> > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or

> government

> > > and

> > > > > > Shani

> > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to

> the

> > > same.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from

> > India

> > > as

> > > > > > well as US.

> > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986

> I

> > > > worked

> > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high

> income

> > > and

> > > > > > expenses.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from

> collegues /

> > > > work

> > > > > > > during

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes

> > > > changed

> > > > > > jobs

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do

> > your

> > > > own

> > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment

> > > ended

> > > > in

> > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own

> business.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some

> big

> > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might

> > have

> > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u

> > > might

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > started your own business during this time.

> Nevertheless,

> > > this

> > > > > > > period is very powerful.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental

> in

> > > > > getting

> > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very

> lucrative

> > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father

> > health

> > > > wise

> > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon

> > > > > mahadasha.

> > > > > > Mother still lives.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Pratap

> > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of

> > the

> > > > > group.

> > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I

> > > > volunteer

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out

> my

> > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > date ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your

> > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping

> u

> > by

> > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > their understanding.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things

> can

> > > get

> > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to

> support

> > > your

> > > > > > > query,

> > > > > > > > even better.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many

> > > things

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > get cleared.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed

> > > > approach

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > exercise,

> > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay

> > > caused

> > > > by

> > > > > > > zero

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and

> 9

> > in

> > > > > > 5:9...

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the

> > > > > following

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > > > > > > e.g.

> > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and

> > say

> > > > its

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be

> > giving

> > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > as i

> > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in

> > rasi

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > navamsa. ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E

> then

> > > the

> > > > > > delay

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector

> after

> > > > > satrun

> > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in

> > > lord

> > > > of

> > > > > D

> > > > > > > or E

> > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till

> the

> > > > time

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would

> > > occur

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 1st

> > > > > > > > > sector itself.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the

> lord

> > of

> > > > A,

> > > > > B

> > > > > > > and C

> > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector

> > after

> > > 0

> > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring

> > the

> > > > age

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of

> 1

> > > and

> > > > 9

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor

> opposition.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are

> > correct ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11

> > > > > > positioning...

> > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if

> > jupiter

> > > is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > libra in

> > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or

> > > nakshatra.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its

> having

> > > > > exactly

> > > > > > 4

> > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of

> > > rahu,

> > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen

> > > from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > bhava or

> > > > > > > > > rashis or both?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus

> > of

> > > > > female

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu

> would

> > > be

> > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for

> > > > picking

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more

> > > thorough ........

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " kaslearner "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier

> > and

> > > > > > others,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay

> > is

> > > > > > > nullified

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he

> is

> > > > > running

> > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could

> > have

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I

> considered

> > an

> > > > > > > > additional

> > > > > > > > > > 10%

> > > > > > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when

> > the

> > > > > native

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy

> > marriage

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house

> > 7.

> > > So

> > > > > sun

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for

> > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good

> points

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to

> the

> > > > > second

> > > > > > > > antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for

> > the

> > > > > > wishes

> > > > > > > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Gita

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier

> and

> > > List

> > > > > > > Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis.

> Gita

> > it

> > > > > will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the

> > > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> ,

> > > > bala

> > > > > > > sosale

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter

> > antra

> > > 2

> > > > > > > > PDF

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct

> antra

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for

> > getting

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this.

> > > Hope

> > > > I

> > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can

> learn

> > > from

> > > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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, " Jagannathan

Kapisthalam " <jagannathankr wrote:

>

> Naliniji,

> The discussion of Sri.ashsam is great.May I also give my

analysis.?Regarding

> job front,

> The tenth lord Jupiter is in own sign ie in his moola trikonam.he is

strong

> and favourable.The lord of the nineth ie Saturn is with him.That too

is

> good.?Rahu aspects both Jupiter and Saturn ie by " jaimini aspect " .

 

Is that why there is so much of cheating, fraud etc?

> Moon ,Mercury and Ketu are situated in the tenth house.Mercury is

> debilitated.(Of course his debilitation is not effective).

> Jupiter is the lord of the tenth from Moon sign also.So almost every

planet

> is involved in promoting " DasamaBhavam " .Saturn is the " Karaka " for

> jobs.Heis strong.

> Therefore, you are sure to get employed .You wil secure a respectable

and

> gentle job.

 

I was working as a Manager of a Bank branch, quite successfully and gave

up my job on 29th November 2004, paradoxically the same day I joined the

bank on 29th Nov 1992, 22 years earlier. I was known to be a good

banker, too scrupulous, ever helpful to my clients, almost a workaholic

but immensely enjoying the work, more the non monetary kind. Known to be

brutally frank when it comes to compromising my principles, hence nobody

messed with me. But have been victim of fraud and deceit from my own

co-workers, as Ash ji, brilliantly analysed-took utmost advantage of my

open mindedness with regard to hierarchy. Though it involved huge sums

of money, I have always been considered " clean " but that black spot

lingers.That has been the main reason for my thinking of changing my

profession to that of less of corruption, cheating- fiscal .

 

The combination of Saturn who is the Karmakaraka and Jupiter the

> Dharma Karaka indicates that you are a gentle and respectable person

of the

> first order.

> Ketu is with Moon and therefore your mother has the name of a goddess

say " a

> goddess who alights on a Lotus " .or one who is adorned by the attribute

of

> Music.?A watery one.

 

Yes, you are right , my mother's name is Lalitha and she is well versed

in Music.She has been kind enough to give me property. She is a Ph.D in

Psychology.

 

That also indicates that there is a temple of Mother

> Goddess where you were born or your mother was born.

> saturn aspects Moon .hence your mother too is a source of income.There

is

> semblence between your good name and the name of your mother.She too

is

> educated.to an extent.

 

My education was interrupted in 1979 and I could get my masters only in

1984. Since then all attempts for a higher learning have not

materialised, I had to give them up mid way due to various reasons.

 

At your age of thirty there was obstruction to your

> studies.this is because at that time Jupiter transited to Cancer.

> ketu and Saturn promote the feeling to give up any existing job.More

over

> Saturn is the lord of the eigth house.All the more he denies job.Your

grand

> mother had bad time during Mercurys dasa from 1975 to 1992.

 

Yes, my grandmother started suffering from that period and expired

during 1996

 

venus in the

> eigth house denies job.

 

As I am running venus MD/Rahu AD how are the job prospects? I am

contemplating getting trained in SAP. kindly advise- with ketu and

mercury-involving communications-computers would I be successful?

 

Is it possible that I may get a job in the near future? I have

relocated abroad and it seems I have to acquire some local

qualification,(given my past record in education-( I was brilliant at

school, a Gold medalist)the disruption, I am skeptical. I am also

thinking of changing my profession. what would be the best alternate?

> Please write to me whether my discussion is useful.?

 

Thanks a lot for your inputs and they have been extremely helpful.

 

Nalini

> regards,

> jagannathan.

>

>

> On 5/10/06, ashsam73 ashsam73 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nalini,

> > You must be a brilliant person with a photographic memory and very

> > knowledgeable.

> > You must be very helpful and undertsanding by nature and also very

> > adjustive.

> > Your chart is setup in a peculiar way. From 2nd thru to 6th house

> > the SAV points are all over 28 and from 7th thru to 10th they are

> > less than 28. 11th = 12th = 28 points.

> > So when transit planets travel from 2nd thru 6th continiously your

> > daily points in transits will go up and then once they hit 7th hosue

> > they would drop. Mostly Ve, Me and Su are close by. This is very

> > generally speaking.

> >

> > Your profession will be linked to Mercury and Moon. Mercury and

> > Moon i.e. profession giving planets are again in 10th house in Rasi

> > and can indicated authority too.

> >

> > Your 6th house and 10th house planets are powerful except Venus and

> > Saturn. So some problems can be expected in those antra. Otherwise

> > your career is good. Also 9th and 10th lords are conjoining in 7th

> > house and 10th lord is in 10th indicating good status and rise in

> > life career wise. Only thing is that u are too nice so people might

> > take advantage of your kindness.

> >

> > So Ve/Ve antra might have given u some problems in Career.

> >

> > Venus 1998-Mar-14 2001-Jul-14

> >

> > Venus is karak for 10th house, 5th house, 1st house, 7th house and

> > 12th house. So all the antras in Venus MD will be linked to the

> > same, again Venus is SD to Mars who is also 6th lord and 11th lord.

> > Venus is SD to Mars so some effect of that too. Venus is SD to Guru

> > also so some effect of that also blending in.

> >

> > You also have the blessing of your father/guru. So that is good.

> >

> > About August 2004 the problems might have started to become more

> > intensed. i.e when Shani comes to last degree in Gemini and about

> > to transit into Cancer. That time u were running Mars antra in

> > Venus MD. Mars has less power in 5th house, 7th house and 12th

> > house. Here Venus is karak for 7th and it has less power in 7th

> > house so it might show some kind of accident or operation,

> > especially since Sa and Ju = 5 at the same time Sa is transitting

> > over 0 points and problems coming to you are related to 1st, 2nd,

> > 3rd and 4th house matters. Peace of mind is gone and lots of

> > worries and unnecessary worries will be there.

> >

> > You have started Rahu antra now and Rahu is SD to Su and Me. Rahu

> > will be more like Mercury. Mercury has good power and is very

> > powerful for 4th house, 8th house, 11th house and 7th house by

> > virtue of being LoD and LoE. Its weak for 5th house, 9th and 12th.

> > So some problems in these areas of life or say stress, so it can

> > related to speculations, children, father, and pleasures.

> >

> > 11th v/s 12th house is showing more points for 11th than 12th so no

> > stress about income as such, however 12th house points are less so

> > its showing less happiness and pleasures.

> >

> > Regarding Marriage.

> >

> > Sa is in 5th hosue in navamsa showing full delay, Guru is aspecting

> > Shani so moderating it, u got 1 zero in SAV. Shani is at 23deg19

> > and Sa has 0 and Sa itself is giving u blessing here.

> >

> > Considering all factors I feel marriage willl happen after 23 years

> > of age. So mars antra runs then and Mars is weak for 7th house in

> > WS so it cant give marriage. Next antra is that of Rahu. Rahu is

> > in House D so its very eager to give marriage.

> >

> > Rahu 1983-Sep-10 1986-Mar-30

> >

> > I feel 2nd sector will give marriage.

> >

> > Sector 2 1984-Jul-17 1985-May-23

> >

> > and strong date as per probable date finder is

> >

> > Sun and Venus 31-Aug 12-Sep

> >

> > So in 31st Aug thru 12th sept in 1984 would be my pick.

> >

> > Then after marriage, Rahu itself can give Conception. But here

> > Venus is with Mars and aspected by Rahu so its showing some issues

> > some miscarriage or cesearean child birth. Mars itslef is also 11th

> > lord and aspected by Rahu. So again showing that. 5th house points

> > for Me are weak (Rahu) but 11th is strong. So I am getting some

> > question here.

> > Next antra is that of Ju and that will give conception.

> >

> > Ok, I am out of time.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " auromirra19 "

> > nalini2818@ wrote:

> > >

> > > {Om Namo Narayanaya}

> > >

> > > Dear Ash ji,

> > > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can you

> > > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its

> > what

> > > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very

> > meticulous.

> > > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute

> > > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and is on

> > > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson for

> > me

> > > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required.

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Nalini

> > > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In

> > > , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in

> > > order

> > > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly based

> > on

> > > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of

> > > change

> > > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some

> > > stress

> > > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once u

> > > gave

> > > > the correct Mahadasha.

> > > >

> > > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence.

> > > >

> > > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball

> > > park,

> > > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 events 8

> > > or

> > > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is

> > > working

> > > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked

> > > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as

> > > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS.

> > > >

> > > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is based

> > on

> > > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or

> > > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, can

> > > be

> > > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique.

> > > >

> > > > That to me is science.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > , Ash <ashsam73@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > >

> > > > > My answers in CAPS below.

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I

> > do

> > > > not have any system or rules that I propose.

> > > > >

> > > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A

> > > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES

> > ONE

> > > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM

> > U

> > > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS

> > > GIVES

> > > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER

> > > THAT

> > > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO

> > CONVEY

> > > IS

> > > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A

> > > SCIENCE.

> > > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE?

> > > > >

> > > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles

> > > and

> > > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when

> > > applied

> > > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my

> > > chart

> > > > is wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT

> > > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR

> > > SOME

> > > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW

> > SAY

> > > IF

> > > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS

> > > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT

> > > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS

> > > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE

> > > SEEN

> > > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT

> > MATCH.

> > > I

> > > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME

> > > EVENT

> > > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE

> > > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL

> > > GET

> > > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY

> > IS

> > > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA.

> > > > >

> > > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH

> > OR

> > > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE

> > > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE

> > > WILL

> > > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING

> > > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND

> > > > PARCEL OF IT.

> > > > >

> > > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate

> > > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY

> > > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA

> > IS

> > > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK

> > > AT

> > > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U

> > HAVE

> > > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE

> > > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE

> > IN

> > > > KAS.

> > > > >

> > > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE

> > > > OVERLOOKED.

> > > > >

> > > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN,

> > > AND

> > > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT

> > > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL

> > LEARN

> > > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > With Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pratap

> > > > >

> > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is

> > > comfortable

> > > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study

> > > the

> > > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume

> > > that

> > > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart

> > to

> > > > > unfold it in a systematic manner.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I

> > > can

> > > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer

> > > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of

> > > fixed

> > > > > rules?

> > > > >

> > > > > Please reply.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Pratap

> > Kaneria

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967.

> > > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969.

> > > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976.

> > > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974.

> > > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966.

> > > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968.

> > > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that

> > can

> > > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not change

> > > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a

> > > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata

> > > and

> > > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably

> > > > thousands

> > > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want

> > to

> > > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at

> > > my

> > > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it

> > > seems

> > > > to

> > > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing

> > > > that

> > > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I

> > > > > should mention what I have found.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park,

> > > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of

> > your

> > > > life

> > > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a

> > > happy

> > > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your

> > > > marriage

> > > > > > might have happened after 24 years.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th

> > > birthday

> > > > > i.e

> > > > > > after nov 28th 1968.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper

> > between

> > > > > 18th

> > > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves

> > > Ju/Ketu.

> > > > So

> > > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec

> > > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec

> > > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first

> > strong

> > > > > antra

> > > > > > after delay period is over.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month,

> > the

> > > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the

> > > prior

> > > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of

> > one

> > > > > antra

> > > > > > and start of the other.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth

> > > > time

> > > > > is

> > > > > > in ball park.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge

> > the

> > > > > month

> > > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will

> > be

> > > > > very

> > > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many

> > > > events

> > > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and

> > > nakshtras.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A good exercise.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Pratap

> > > Kaneria

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is

> > > > approximately

> > > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening.

> > > Then

> > > > it

> > > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have

> > > is

> > > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my

> > > > birthdate.

> > > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my

> > > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus

> > > > > ascendant

> > > > > > than Gemini.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you

> > share

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > with us please.

> > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Pratap

> > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in

> > > > 1968.

> > > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar,

> > > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month.

> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards.

> > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth

> > time

> > > is

> > > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My

> > > > answers

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > below.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events

> > for

> > > > us

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > verify your birth time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something

> > to

> > > do

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or

> > > teaching

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or

> > government

> > > > and

> > > > > > > Shani

> > > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to

> > the

> > > > same.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from

> > > India

> > > > as

> > > > > > > well as US.

> > > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986

> > I

> > > > > worked

> > > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high

> > income

> > > > and

> > > > > > > expenses.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from

> > collegues /

> > > > > work

> > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes

> > > > > changed

> > > > > > > jobs

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do

> > > your

> > > > > own

> > > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment

> > > > ended

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own

> > business.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some

> > big

> > > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might

> > > have

> > > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u

> > > > might

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > started your own business during this time.

> > Nevertheless,

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > period is very powerful.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental

> > in

> > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very

> > lucrative

> > > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father

> > > health

> > > > > wise

> > > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon

> > > > > > mahadasha.

> > > > > > > Mother still lives.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Pratap

> > > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of

> > > the

> > > > > > group.

> > > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I

> > > > > volunteer

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out

> > my

> > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > date ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your

> > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping

> > u

> > > by

> > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > their understanding.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things

> > can

> > > > get

> > > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to

> > support

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > query,

> > > > > > > > > even better.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many

> > > > things

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > get cleared.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed

> > > > > approach

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > exercise,

> > > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay

> > > > caused

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > zero

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and

> > 9

> > > in

> > > > > > > 5:9...

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the

> > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > > > > > > > e.g.

> > > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and

> > > say

> > > > > its

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be

> > > giving

> > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > as i

> > > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in

> > > rasi

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > navamsa. ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E

> > then

> > > > the

> > > > > > > delay

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector

> > after

> > > > > > satrun

> > > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in

> > > > lord

> > > > > of

> > > > > > D

> > > > > > > > or E

> > > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till

> > the

> > > > > time

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would

> > > > occur

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 1st

> > > > > > > > > > sector itself.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the

> > lord

> > > of

> > > > > A,

> > > > > > B

> > > > > > > > and C

> > > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector

> > > after

> > > > 0

> > > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring

> > > the

> > > > > age

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of

> > 1

> > > > and

> > > > > 9

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor

> > opposition.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are

> > > correct ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11

> > > > > > > positioning...

> > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if

> > > jupiter

> > > > is

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > libra in

> > > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or

> > > > nakshatra.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its

> > having

> > > > > > exactly

> > > > > > > 4

> > > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of

> > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen

> > > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > bhava or

> > > > > > > > > > rashis or both?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus

> > > of

> > > > > > female

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu

> > would

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for

> > > > > picking

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more

> > > > thorough ........

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in

line.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " kaslearner "

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier

> > > and

> > > > > > > others,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay

> > > is

> > > > > > > > nullified

> > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he

> > is

> > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could

> > > have

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I

> > considered

> > > an

> > > > > > > > > additional

> > > > > > > > > > > 10%

> > > > > > > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when

> > > the

> > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy

> > > marriage

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by

Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house

> > > 7.

> > > > So

> > > > > > sun

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for

> > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good

> > points

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to

> > the

> > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for

> > > the

> > > > > > > wishes

> > > > > > > > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Gita

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier

> > and

> > > > List

> > > > > > > > Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis.

> > Gita

> > > it

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the

> > > > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for

many.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this

puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > ,

> > > > > bala

> > > > > > > > sosale

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter

> > > antra

> > > > 2

> > > > > > > > > PDF

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct

> > antra

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for

> > > getting

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this.

> > > > Hope

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can

> > learn

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart

> > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > analyse

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the following.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for this

> > > > > Native?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel

> > in

> > > > one

> > > > > > > click

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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Dear Ash ji,

 

Kudos for a wonderful analysis. I have confirmed the events at the

appropriate places.

, " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73 wrote:

>

> Dear Nalini,

> You must be a brilliant person with a photographic memory and very

> knowledgeable.

 

Ash ji, yes I was the top ranker at school, blessed with photographic

memory, I used to visualise the pages I read before answering at the

exams.

> You must be very helpful and undertsanding by nature and also very

> adjustive.

 

True. known to be so and I think am easily adaptable.

> Your chart is setup in a peculiar way. From 2nd thru to 6th house

> the SAV points are all over 28 and from 7th thru to 10th they are

> less than 28. 11th = 12th = 28 points.

> So when transit planets travel from 2nd thru 6th continiously your

> daily points in transits will go up and then once they hit 7th hosue

> they would drop. Mostly Ve, Me and Su are close by. This is very

> generally speaking.

>

> Your profession will be linked to Mercury and Moon. Mercury and

> Moon i.e. profession giving planets are again in 10th house in Rasi

> and can indicated authority too.

 

It involved banking, head of a big branch, dealing with people and

money.

>

> Your 6th house and 10th house planets are powerful except Venus and

> Saturn. So some problems can be expected in those antra. Otherwise

> your career is good. Also 9th and 10th lords are conjoining in 7th

> house and 10th lord is in 10th indicating good status and rise in

> life career wise. Only thing is that u are too nice so people might

> take advantage of your kindness.

 

Yes, this has been my bete noire.

>

> So Ve/Ve antra might have given u some problems in Career.

>

> Venus 1998-Mar-14 2001-Jul-14

 

No. It was not problematic. The real trouble started in October 2001

involving fraud- as the head of the branch I was in and out of courts,

police stations.

>

> Venus is karak for 10th house, 5th house, 1st house, 7th house and

> 12th house. So all the antras in Venus MD will be linked to the

> same, again Venus is SD to Mars who is also 6th lord and 11th lord.

> Venus is SD to Mars so some effect of that too. Venus is SD to Guru

> also so some effect of that also blending in.

>

> You also have the blessing of your father/guru. So that is good.

 

That has saved me from all the dire situations.

>

> About August 2004 the problems might have started to become more

> intensed. i.e when Shani comes to last degree in Gemini and about

> to transit into Cancer.

 

My health turned worse in May 2004, and since then I was constantly

being targeted by my boss. I was posted to a bigger branch full of bad

debts, court cases etc for cleaning up.I had to give up my job , I

resigned on 29th November 2004 exactly 22 years after joining the bank

on 29th Nov 1982.

 

That time u were running Mars antra in

> Venus MD. Mars has less power in 5th house, 7th house and 12th

> house. Here Venus is karak for 7th and it has less power in 7th

> house so it might show some kind of accident or operation,

> especially since Sa and Ju = 5 at the same time Sa is transitting

> over 0 points and problems coming to you are related to 1st, 2nd,

> 3rd and 4th house matters. Peace of mind is gone and lots of

> worries and unnecessary worries will be there.

 

I was involved in an accident, my own car dragged me 100 ft on the road

after my pallu got into the door while getting down. It was peak hour

traffic , at a junction in front of a bus stop- but strangely traffic

came to a standstill. Only after my car came back, and I got into it

everything moved- It is uncanny that nothing happened to me , not even

scratches.It was 14th or 15th of may 2002. I have been prone to

accidents, many, but never injured.

 

 

>

> You have started Rahu antra now and Rahu is SD to Su and Me. Rahu

> will be more like Mercury. Mercury has good power and is very

> powerful for 4th house, 8th house, 11th house and 7th house by

> virtue of being LoD and LoE. Its weak for 5th house, 9th and 12th.

> So some problems in these areas of life or say stress, so it can

> related to speculations, children, father, and pleasures.

 

Yes, my worry is my children's education- my elder son who has not been

able to complete his graduation- due to relocation and here he is again

switched his subjects to Food tech.

>

> 11th v/s 12th house is showing more points for 11th than 12th so no

> stress about income as such, however 12th house points are less so

> its showing less happiness and pleasures.

 

True.

>

> Regarding Marriage.

>

> Sa is in 5th hosue in navamsa showing full delay, Guru is aspecting

> Shani so moderating it, u got 1 zero in SAV. Shani is at 23deg19

> and Sa has 0 and Sa itself is giving u blessing here.

>

> Considering all factors I feel marriage willl happen after 23 years

> of age. So mars antra runs then and Mars is weak for 7th house in

> WS so it cant give marriage. Next antra is that of Rahu. Rahu is

> in House D so its very eager to give marriage.

>

> Rahu 1983-Sep-10 1986-Mar-30

 

The antar is perfect.

>

> I feel 2nd sector will give marriage.

>

> Sector 2 1984-Jul-17 1985-May-23

>

> and strong date as per probable date finder is

>

> Sun and Venus 31-Aug 12-Sep

>

> So in 31st Aug thru 12th sept in 1984 would be my pick.

 

I got married on 9th May 1984 - 24 years

>

> Then after marriage, Rahu itself can give Conception. But here

> Venus is with Mars and aspected by Rahu so its showing some issues

> some miscarriage or cesearean child birth.

 

I had my first son on 1st May 1985, a normal delivery but use of forceps

was there.There were two miscarriages after wards.

 

Mars itslef is also 11th

> lord and aspected by Rahu. So again showing that. 5th house points

> for Me are weak (Rahu) but 11th is strong. So I am getting some

> question here.

> Next antra is that of Ju and that will give conception.

 

My second son was born on 29th June 1988.

>

> Ok, I am out of time.

> Thank you, Ash ji for the detailed,brilliant analysis. I shall use it

for study.

 

Nalini

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " auromirra19 "

> nalini2818@ wrote:

> >

> > {Om Namo Narayanaya}

> >

> > Dear Ash ji,

> > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can you

> > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its

> what

> > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very

> meticulous.

> > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute

> > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and is on

> > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson for

> me

> > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required.

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Nalini

> > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In

> > , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pratap,

> > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in

> > order

> > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly based

> on

> > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of

> > change

> > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some

> > stress

> > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once u

> > gave

> > > the correct Mahadasha.

> > >

> > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence.

> > >

> > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball

> > park,

> > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 events 8

> > or

> > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is

> > working

> > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked

> > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as

> > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS.

> > >

> > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is based

> on

> > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or

> > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, can

> > be

> > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique.

> > >

> > > That to me is science.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , Ash <ashsam73@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > >

> > > > My answers in CAPS below.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria@> wrote:

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > >

> > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I

> do

> > > not have any system or rules that I propose.

> > > >

> > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A

> > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES

> ONE

> > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM

> U

> > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS

> > GIVES

> > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER

> > THAT

> > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO

> CONVEY

> > IS

> > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A

> > SCIENCE.

> > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE?

> > > >

> > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles

> > and

> > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when

> > applied

> > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my

> > chart

> > > is wrong.

> > > >

> > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT

> > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR

> > SOME

> > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW

> SAY

> > IF

> > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS

> > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT

> > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS

> > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE

> > SEEN

> > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT

> MATCH.

> > I

> > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME

> > EVENT

> > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE

> > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL

> > GET

> > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY

> IS

> > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA.

> > > >

> > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH

> OR

> > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE

> > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE

> > WILL

> > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING

> > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND

> > > PARCEL OF IT.

> > > >

> > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate

> > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa.

> > > >

> > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY

> > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA

> IS

> > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK

> > AT

> > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U

> HAVE

> > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE

> > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE

> IN

> > > KAS.

> > > >

> > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE

> > > OVERLOOKED.

> > > >

> > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN,

> > AND

> > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT

> > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL

> LEARN

> > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > With Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Pratap

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > >

> > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is

> > comfortable

> > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa.

> > > >

> > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based

> on

> > > the

> > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study

> > the

> > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume

> > that

> > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart

> to

> > > > unfold it in a systematic manner.

> > > >

> > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I

> > can

> > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer

> > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of

> > fixed

> > > > rules?

> > > >

> > > > Please reply.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Pratap

> Kaneria

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > >

> > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968.

> > > > >

> > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967.

> > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969.

> > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976.

> > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974.

> > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966.

> > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968.

> > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that

> can

> > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not change

> > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a

> > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata

> > and

> > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably

> > > thousands

> > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want

> to

> > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at

> > my

> > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it

> > seems

> > > to

> > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing

> > > that

> > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I

> > > > should mention what I have found.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts,

> > > > >

> > > > > With Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pratap

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park,

> > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of

> your

> > > life

> > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system.

> > > > >

> > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a

> > happy

> > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your

> > > marriage

> > > > > might have happened after 24 years.

> > > > >

> > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th

> > birthday

> > > > i.e

> > > > > after nov 28th 1968.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper

> between

> > > > 18th

> > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves

> > Ju/Ketu.

> > > So

> > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec

> > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec

> > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec

> > > > >

> > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first

> strong

> > > > antra

> > > > > after delay period is over.

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07

> > > > >

> > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month,

> the

> > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the

> > prior

> > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of

> one

> > > > antra

> > > > > and start of the other.

> > > > >

> > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth

> > > time

> > > > is

> > > > > in ball park.

> > > > >

> > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge

> the

> > > > month

> > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will

> be

> > > > very

> > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many

> > > events

> > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and

> > nakshtras.

> > > > >

> > > > > A good exercise.

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Pratap

> > Kaneria

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is

> > > approximately

> > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening.

> > Then

> > > it

> > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have

> > is

> > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my

> > > birthdate.

> > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my

> > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus

> > > > ascendant

> > > > > than Gemini.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you

> share

> > > > that

> > > > > > with us please.

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Pratap

> > > Kaneria

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in

> > > 1968.

> > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar,

> > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month.

> > > > > > > Thanks and regards.

> > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth

> time

> > is

> > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My

> > > answers

> > > > > are

> > > > > > below.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events

> for

> > > us

> > > > to

> > > > > > > verify your birth time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you confirm the following.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something

> to

> > do

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or

> > teaching

> > > > or

> > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or

> government

> > > and

> > > > > > Shani

> > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to

> the

> > > same.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from

> > India

> > > as

> > > > > > well as US.

> > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986

> I

> > > > worked

> > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high

> income

> > > and

> > > > > > expenses.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from

> collegues /

> > > > work

> > > > > > > during

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes

> > > > changed

> > > > > > jobs

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do

> > your

> > > > own

> > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment

> > > ended

> > > > in

> > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own

> business.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some

> big

> > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might

> > have

> > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u

> > > might

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > started your own business during this time.

> Nevertheless,

> > > this

> > > > > > > period is very powerful.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental

> in

> > > > > getting

> > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very

> lucrative

> > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father

> > health

> > > > wise

> > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon

> > > > > mahadasha.

> > > > > > Mother still lives.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Pratap

> > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of

> > the

> > > > > group.

> > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I

> > > > volunteer

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out

> my

> > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > date ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your

> > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping

> u

> > by

> > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > their understanding.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things

> can

> > > get

> > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to

> support

> > > your

> > > > > > > query,

> > > > > > > > even better.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many

> > > things

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > get cleared.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed

> > > > approach

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > exercise,

> > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay

> > > caused

> > > > by

> > > > > > > zero

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and

> 9

> > in

> > > > > > 5:9...

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the

> > > > > following

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > > > > > > e.g.

> > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and

> > say

> > > > its

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be

> > giving

> > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > as i

> > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in

> > rasi

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > navamsa. ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E

> then

> > > the

> > > > > > delay

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector

> after

> > > > > satrun

> > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in

> > > lord

> > > > of

> > > > > D

> > > > > > > or E

> > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till

> the

> > > > time

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would

> > > occur

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 1st

> > > > > > > > > sector itself.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the

> lord

> > of

> > > > A,

> > > > > B

> > > > > > > and C

> > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector

> > after

> > > 0

> > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring

> > the

> > > > age

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of

> 1

> > > and

> > > > 9

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor

> opposition.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are

> > correct ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11

> > > > > > positioning...

> > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if

> > jupiter

> > > is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > libra in

> > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or

> > > nakshatra.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its

> having

> > > > > exactly

> > > > > > 4

> > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of

> > > rahu,

> > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen

> > > from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > bhava or

> > > > > > > > > rashis or both?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus

> > of

> > > > > female

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu

> would

> > > be

> > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for

> > > > picking

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more

> > > thorough ........

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " kaslearner "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier

> > and

> > > > > > others,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay

> > is

> > > > > > > nullified

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he

> is

> > > > > running

> > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could

> > have

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I

> considered

> > an

> > > > > > > > additional

> > > > > > > > > > 10%

> > > > > > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when

> > the

> > > > > native

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy

> > marriage

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house

> > 7.

> > > So

> > > > > sun

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for

> > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good

> points

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to

> the

> > > > > second

> > > > > > > > antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for

> > the

> > > > > > wishes

> > > > > > > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Gita

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier

> and

> > > List

> > > > > > > Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis.

> Gita

> > it

> > > > > will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the

> > > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> ,

> > > > bala

> > > > > > > sosale

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter

> > antra

> > > 2

> > > > > > > > PDF

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct

> antra

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for

> > getting

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this.

> > > Hope

> > > > I

> > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can

> learn

> > > from

> > > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart

> > > please

> > > > > > > > > > analyse

> > > > > > > > > > > > the following.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for this

> > > > Native?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Harjeet ji, my replies are below.

, " harjeet_bakshi "

<harjeet_bakshi wrote:

>

> Naliniji,

> I am learning KAS and want to attempt your chart regarding the

> problems you mentioned.

> Saturn is going through zero in cancer sign... so it would be

> troublesome on its own. This house also happens to be 2nd. so might

> give some mental worries too. Its lord moon is aspected by Rahu in the

> natal chart. Also antra of Rahu is going on from May 2005 till May

> 2008. Moon afflicted by Rahu gives problems specially to health and

> mental worries.

 

True. I relocated abroad from India on 2 nd may 2005. My health has

become worst, I was in and out of hospitals from July 2005 to Sept 2005.

Now I have been inconclusively diagnosed to be suffering form pulmonary

Sarcoidosis, a debilitating lung disease, it has affected almost all my

organs. Now I have impaired glucose tolerance, hypo thyroidism, severe

swelling in the feet starting from the knees, doctors feel could be side

effects of the steroids I am taking for the disease. Will there be a

respite after October 2006?

 

Rahu is transiting over your natal moon in pisces too.

> Rahu is samdhari to Sun and Mercury. Sun has very low points 10(below

> 12)for house no 1. in the worksheet. So its giving health probles

> because of that. Sun is also karak of health too. Rahu also aspects

> mercury in the natal chart which again is the lord of lagna and 4th

> house. Rahu's 5 aspect afflicts venus and mars. Mars here is lord of

> 6th house (work) and 11th house (income).

> Rahu gives events regarding the houses for which it becomes stationed

> at house D and E... which happens to be 7th house and 11th house.

> I dont know your line of work ...I worked for a Bank as branch

Manager, dealing with people and money.

 

but 7th house denotes business

> partnerships or work where you deal with people. its also house for

> accidents...

 

Had several accidents including a near fatal one during may 2002

 

besides the marriage life. 11th is dealing with income or

> trading etc. so events regarding to these houses might occur in the

> antra of rahu.

> I know i might have gone astray from KAS.. but would like to add on..

> So when saturn and rahu both change the sign which would be pretty

> soon around october or november this year i guess.. it would be much

> relief...

> Next antra is of Jupiter which is the strongest significator for house

> 1 and 10 and second best for house 6th. so this antra should be

> favourable with respect to health and career.

> I am a learner and would be wrong so pardon me if for anything.

 

I am indebted to you for the suggestions/advice and please do not feel

so. I would be glad to be a part of your learning process.

 

Thanks & Regards

 

Nalini

> Thanks/Regards

> Harjeet

>

>

> , " auromirra19 "

> nalini2818@ wrote:

> >

> > {Om Namo Narayanaya}

> >

> > Dear Ash ji,

> > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can you

> > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its what

> > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very

meticulous.

> > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute

> > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and is on

> > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson for me

> > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required.

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Nalini

> > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In

> > , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pratap,

> > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in

> > order

> > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly based on

> > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of

> > change

> > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some

> > stress

> > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once u

> > gave

> > > the correct Mahadasha.

> > >

> > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence.

> > >

> > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball

> > park,

> > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10 events 8

> > or

> > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is

> > working

> > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked

> > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as

> > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS.

> > >

> > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is based on

> > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or

> > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line, can

> > be

> > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique.

> > >

> > > That to me is science.

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > > , Ash <ashsam73@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > >

> > > > My answers in CAPS below.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria@> wrote:

> > > > Dear Ash,

> > > >

> > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to say. I do

> > > not have any system or rules that I propose.

> > > >

> > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A

> > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES ONE

> > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE SYSTEM U

> > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE ALWYS

> > GIVES

> > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS PER

> > THAT

> > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO CONVEY

> > IS

> > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A

> > SCIENCE.

> > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE?

> > > >

> > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles

> > and

> > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when

> > applied

> > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my

> > chart

> > > is wrong.

> > > >

> > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT

> > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW OR

> > SOME

> > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW SAY

> > IF

> > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS

> > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE NOT

> > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS

> > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE

> > SEEN

> > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT MATCH.

> > I

> > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME

> > EVENT

> > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT ONE

> > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH WILL

> > GET

> > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK BY IS

> > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA.

> > > >

> > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH OR

> > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY WE

> > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN LIFE

> > WILL

> > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND USING

> > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND

> > > PARCEL OF IT.

> > > >

> > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate

> > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa.

> > > >

> > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY

> > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA IS

> > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A LOOK

> > AT

> > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U HAVE

> > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN JUDGE

> > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET CONFIDENCE IN

> > > KAS.

> > > >

> > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE

> > > OVERLOOKED.

> > > >

> > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE GIVEN,

> > AND

> > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED THAT

> > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL LEARN

> > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > With Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Pratap

> > > >

> > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > >

> > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is

> > comfortable

> > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa.

> > > >

> > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply, based on

> > > the

> > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to study

> > the

> > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I assume

> > that

> > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each chart to

> > > > unfold it in a systematic manner.

> > > >

> > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so that I

> > can

> > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer

> > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of

> > fixed

> > > > rules?

> > > >

> > > > Please reply.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Pratap Kaneria

> > > >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > >

> > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968.

> > > > >

> > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will help.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967.

> > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969.

> > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976.

> > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974.

> > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June 1966.

> > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968.

> > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that can

> > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not change

> > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends on a

> > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors, birthdata

> > and

> > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably

> > > thousands

> > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not want to

> > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently looked at

> > my

> > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it

> > seems

> > > to

> > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not proposing

> > > that

> > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I thought I

> > > > should mention what I have found.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts,

> > > > >

> > > > > With Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pratap

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball park,

> > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of your

> > > life

> > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system.

> > > > >

> > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not a

> > happy

> > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your

> > > marriage

> > > > > might have happened after 24 years.

> > > > >

> > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th

> > birthday

> > > > i.e

> > > > > after nov 28th 1968.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper between

> > > > 18th

> > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves

> > Ju/Ketu.

> > > So

> > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec

> > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec

> > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec

> > > > >

> > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first strong

> > > > antra

> > > > > after delay period is over.

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07

> > > > >

> > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month, the

> > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in the

> > prior

> > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of one

> > > > antra

> > > > > and start of the other.

> > > > >

> > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your birth

> > > time

> > > > is

> > > > > in ball park.

> > > > >

> > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge the

> > > > month

> > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs will be

> > > > very

> > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events , many

> > > events

> > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and

> > nakshtras.

> > > > >

> > > > > A good exercise.

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Pratap

> > Kaneria

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is

> > > approximately

> > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late evening.

> > Then

> > > it

> > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I have

> > is

> > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my

> > > birthdate.

> > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add that my

> > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with Taurus

> > > > ascendant

> > > > > than Gemini.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you share

> > > > that

> > > > > > with us please.

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Pratap

> > > Kaneria

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married in

> > > 1968.

> > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar,

> > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month.

> > > > > > > Thanks and regards.

> > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth time

> > is

> > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My

> > > answers

> > > > > are

> > > > > > below.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some events for

> > > us

> > > > to

> > > > > > > verify your birth time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you confirm the following.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun. Something to

> > do

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or

> > teaching

> > > > or

> > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or government

> > > and

> > > > > > Shani

> > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to the

> > > same.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from

> > India

> > > as

> > > > > > well as US.

> > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since 1986 I

> > > > worked

> > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high income

> > > and

> > > > > > expenses.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from collegues /

> > > > work

> > > > > > > during

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health issues.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues. Yes

> > > > changed

> > > > > > jobs

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also do

> > your

> > > > own

> > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting assignment

> > > ended

> > > > in

> > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own

business.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken some big

> > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also might

> > have

> > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder if u

> > > might

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > started your own business during this time. Nevertheless,

> > > this

> > > > > > > period is very powerful.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was instrumental in

> > > > > getting

> > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very lucrative

> > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec 1996.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father

> > health

> > > > wise

> > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in Moon

> > > > > mahadasha.

> > > > > > Mother still lives.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Pratap

> > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails of

> > the

> > > > > group.

> > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I

> > > > volunteer

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27, 21N44.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure out my

> > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > date ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of your

> > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion helping u

> > by

> > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > their understanding.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many things can

> > > get

> > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to support

> > > your

> > > > > > > query,

> > > > > > > > even better.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so many

> > > things

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > get cleared.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for detailed

> > > > approach

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > exercise,

> > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the delay

> > > caused

> > > > by

> > > > > > > zero

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1 and 9

> > in

> > > > > > 5:9...

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about the

> > > > > following

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > > > > > > e.g.

> > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C. and

> > say

> > > > its

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be

> > giving

> > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > as i

> > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined in

> > rasi

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > navamsa. ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E then

> > > the

> > > > > > delay

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector after

> > > > > satrun

> > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if saturn in

> > > lord

> > > > of

> > > > > D

> > > > > > > or E

> > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered till the

> > > > time

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event would

> > > occur

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 1st

> > > > > > > > > sector itself.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the lord

> > of

> > > > A,

> > > > > B

> > > > > > > and C

> > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector

> > after

> > > 0

> > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled bring

> > the

> > > > age

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord of 1

> > > and

> > > > 9

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor opposition.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are

> > correct ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11

> > > > > > positioning...

> > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if

> > jupiter

> > > is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > libra in

> > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or

> > > nakshatra.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its having

> > > > > exactly

> > > > > > 4

> > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the aspects of

> > > rahu,

> > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are seen

> > > from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > bhava or

> > > > > > > > > rashis or both?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to venus

> > of

> > > > > female

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu would

> > > be

> > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV for

> > > > picking

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more

> > > thorough ........

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in line.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " kaslearner "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet, Xavier

> > and

> > > > > > others,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter delay

> > is

> > > > > > > nullified

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when he is

> > > > > running

> > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and could

> > have

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I considered

> > an

> > > > > > > > additional

> > > > > > > > > > 10%

> > > > > > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989 when

> > the

> > > > > native

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy

> > marriage

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from house

> > 7.

> > > So

> > > > > sun

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power for

> > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good points

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage to the

> > > > > second

> > > > > > > > antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks for

> > the

> > > > > > wishes

> > > > > > > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Gita

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier and

> > > List

> > > > > > > Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis. Gita

> > it

> > > > > will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to the

> > > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for many.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > bala

> > > > > > > sosale

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter

> > antra

> > > 2

> > > > > > > > PDF

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct antra

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for

> > getting

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying this.

> > > Hope

> > > > I

> > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can learn

> > > from

> > > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this chart

> > > please

> > > > > > > > > > analyse

> > > > > > > > > > > > the following.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for this

> > > > Native?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in

> > > one

> > > > > > click

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Nalini,

Thank you for your candid feedback. Yes, mostly all events are in

line. I have made a typo, your career planets are Me and Ma and I

had typed Me and Mo. Kindly read it as Me, Me and Ma (Me and Ma).

 

You have said that your problems started after Venus antra ended in

Ve MD. I shall look into that when I get a chance. I feel that

some things might have happened in Ve/Ve that surfaced once Ve antra

ended... however leave that with me, I shall study that antra in

more detail.

 

About Marriage, I had predicted 2nd sector and marriage happened in

1st sector towards the end. Total difference I was off was about a

bit over 3 months. I think I have a good idea why it might have

happened in the 1st sector itself. In any case, thanks for the

feedback.

 

I think the rest of the things are pretty much in the ball park.

 

Ok, about your health, your problems have enhnaced since Sa came to

Cancer. Its transitting over 0 points. Let Saturn leave Cancer so

that will happen in October 2006. U can look forward also and see

if it retros back into Cancer. If it does again be more careful.

 

You must have a good immune system and in my opinion once Sa leaves

cancer, things should get better for you. Your antra has good power

for 6th house. Ra is SD to Me and Su. Sun is LoD for 6th.

 

Please keep us informed how things shape up for u after october i.e

when Sa crosses 1 deg into Leo.

 

Right now your Sa and Ju points are only 5 with Shani contributing 0

points and Shani right now is over a house with 0 points which is

your 2nd house. So you are feeling the brunt and things are not

working in your favour at the moment. Yes, antra is powerful for u

but the environment is not.

 

Give it some time, let Shani change signs. Your points will jump to

11 i.e. Sa and Ju. That is not a small thing. U will feel the

difference. Just wait and see. Keep us informed on your progress.

 

Good Luck.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, " auromirra19 "

<nalini2818 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Ash ji,

>

> Kudos for a wonderful analysis. I have confirmed the events at the

> appropriate places.

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nalini,

> > You must be a brilliant person with a photographic memory and

very

> > knowledgeable.

>

> Ash ji, yes I was the top ranker at school, blessed with

photographic

> memory, I used to visualise the pages I read before answering at

the

> exams.

> > You must be very helpful and undertsanding by nature and also

very

> > adjustive.

>

> True. known to be so and I think am easily adaptable.

> > Your chart is setup in a peculiar way. From 2nd thru to 6th house

> > the SAV points are all over 28 and from 7th thru to 10th they are

> > less than 28. 11th = 12th = 28 points.

> > So when transit planets travel from 2nd thru 6th continiously

your

> > daily points in transits will go up and then once they hit 7th

hosue

> > they would drop. Mostly Ve, Me and Su are close by. This is very

> > generally speaking.

> >

> > Your profession will be linked to Mercury and Moon. Mercury and

> > Moon i.e. profession giving planets are again in 10th house in

Rasi

> > and can indicated authority too.

>

> It involved banking, head of a big branch, dealing with people and

> money.

> >

> > Your 6th house and 10th house planets are powerful except Venus

and

> > Saturn. So some problems can be expected in those antra.

Otherwise

> > your career is good. Also 9th and 10th lords are conjoining in

7th

> > house and 10th lord is in 10th indicating good status and rise in

> > life career wise. Only thing is that u are too nice so people

might

> > take advantage of your kindness.

>

> Yes, this has been my bete noire.

> >

> > So Ve/Ve antra might have given u some problems in Career.

> >

> > Venus 1998-Mar-14 2001-Jul-14

>

> No. It was not problematic. The real trouble started in October

2001

> involving fraud- as the head of the branch I was in and out of

courts,

> police stations.

> >

> > Venus is karak for 10th house, 5th house, 1st house, 7th house

and

> > 12th house. So all the antras in Venus MD will be linked to the

> > same, again Venus is SD to Mars who is also 6th lord and 11th

lord.

> > Venus is SD to Mars so some effect of that too. Venus is SD to

Guru

> > also so some effect of that also blending in.

> >

> > You also have the blessing of your father/guru. So that is good.

>

> That has saved me from all the dire situations.

> >

> > About August 2004 the problems might have started to become more

> > intensed. i.e when Shani comes to last degree in Gemini and about

> > to transit into Cancer.

>

> My health turned worse in May 2004, and since then I was constantly

> being targeted by my boss. I was posted to a bigger branch full of

bad

> debts, court cases etc for cleaning up.I had to give up my job , I

> resigned on 29th November 2004 exactly 22 years after joining the

bank

> on 29th Nov 1982.

>

> That time u were running Mars antra in

> > Venus MD. Mars has less power in 5th house, 7th house and 12th

> > house. Here Venus is karak for 7th and it has less power in 7th

> > house so it might show some kind of accident or operation,

> > especially since Sa and Ju = 5 at the same time Sa is transitting

> > over 0 points and problems coming to you are related to 1st, 2nd,

> > 3rd and 4th house matters. Peace of mind is gone and lots of

> > worries and unnecessary worries will be there.

>

> I was involved in an accident, my own car dragged me 100 ft on the

road

> after my pallu got into the door while getting down. It was peak

hour

> traffic , at a junction in front of a bus stop- but strangely

traffic

> came to a standstill. Only after my car came back, and I got into

it

> everything moved- It is uncanny that nothing happened to me , not

even

> scratches.It was 14th or 15th of may 2002. I have been prone to

> accidents, many, but never injured.

>

>

> >

> > You have started Rahu antra now and Rahu is SD to Su and Me. Rahu

> > will be more like Mercury. Mercury has good power and is very

> > powerful for 4th house, 8th house, 11th house and 7th house by

> > virtue of being LoD and LoE. Its weak for 5th house, 9th and

12th.

> > So some problems in these areas of life or say stress, so it can

> > related to speculations, children, father, and pleasures.

>

> Yes, my worry is my children's education- my elder son who has not

been

> able to complete his graduation- due to relocation and here he is

again

> switched his subjects to Food tech.

> >

> > 11th v/s 12th house is showing more points for 11th than 12th so

no

> > stress about income as such, however 12th house points are less

so

> > its showing less happiness and pleasures.

>

> True.

> >

> > Regarding Marriage.

> >

> > Sa is in 5th hosue in navamsa showing full delay, Guru is

aspecting

> > Shani so moderating it, u got 1 zero in SAV. Shani is at 23deg19

> > and Sa has 0 and Sa itself is giving u blessing here.

> >

> > Considering all factors I feel marriage willl happen after 23

years

> > of age. So mars antra runs then and Mars is weak for 7th house in

> > WS so it cant give marriage. Next antra is that of Rahu. Rahu is

> > in House D so its very eager to give marriage.

> >

> > Rahu 1983-Sep-10 1986-Mar-30

>

> The antar is perfect.

> >

> > I feel 2nd sector will give marriage.

> >

> > Sector 2 1984-Jul-17 1985-May-23

> >

> > and strong date as per probable date finder is

> >

> > Sun and Venus 31-Aug 12-Sep

> >

> > So in 31st Aug thru 12th sept in 1984 would be my pick.

>

> I got married on 9th May 1984 - 24 years

> >

> > Then after marriage, Rahu itself can give Conception. But here

> > Venus is with Mars and aspected by Rahu so its showing some

issues

> > some miscarriage or cesearean child birth.

>

> I had my first son on 1st May 1985, a normal delivery but use of

forceps

> was there.There were two miscarriages after wards.

>

> Mars itslef is also 11th

> > lord and aspected by Rahu. So again showing that. 5th house

points

> > for Me are weak (Rahu) but 11th is strong. So I am getting some

> > question here.

> > Next antra is that of Ju and that will give conception.

>

> My second son was born on 29th June 1988.

> >

> > Ok, I am out of time.

> > Thank you, Ash ji for the detailed,brilliant analysis. I shall

use it

> for study.

>

> Nalini

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " auromirra19 "

> > nalini2818@ wrote:

> > >

> > > {Om Namo Narayanaya}

> > >

> > > Dear Ash ji,

> > > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can

you

> > > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its

> > what

> > > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very

> > meticulous.

> > > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute

> > > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and

is on

> > > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson

for

> > me

> > > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required.

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Nalini

> > > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In

> > > , " ashsam73 "

<ashsam73@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in

> > > order

> > > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly

based

> > on

> > > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of

> > > change

> > > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some

> > > stress

> > > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once

u

> > > gave

> > > > the correct Mahadasha.

> > > >

> > > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence.

> > > >

> > > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball

> > > park,

> > > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10

events 8

> > > or

> > > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is

> > > working

> > > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked

> > > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as

> > > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS.

> > > >

> > > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is

based

> > on

> > > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or

> > > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line,

can

> > > be

> > > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique.

> > > >

> > > > That to me is science.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > , Ash

<ashsam73@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > >

> > > > > My answers in CAPS below.

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > Pratap Kaneria <pkaneria@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to

say. I

> > do

> > > > not have any system or rules that I propose.

> > > > >

> > > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A

> > > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES

> > ONE

> > > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE

SYSTEM

> > U

> > > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE

ALWYS

> > > GIVES

> > > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS

PER

> > > THAT

> > > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO

> > CONVEY

> > > IS

> > > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A

> > > SCIENCE.

> > > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE?

> > > > >

> > > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles

> > > and

> > > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when

> > > applied

> > > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my

> > > chart

> > > > is wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT

> > > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW

OR

> > > SOME

> > > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW

> > SAY

> > > IF

> > > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS

> > > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE

NOT

> > > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS

> > > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY

EXPERIENCE

> > > SEEN

> > > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT

> > MATCH.

> > > I

> > > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME

> > > EVENT

> > > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT

ONE

> > > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH

WILL

> > > GET

> > > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK

BY

> > IS

> > > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA.

> > > > >

> > > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH

> > OR

> > > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY

WE

> > > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN

LIFE

> > > WILL

> > > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND

USING

> > > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND

> > > > PARCEL OF IT.

> > > > >

> > > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate

> > > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY

> > > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS

AYANAMSA

> > IS

> > > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A

LOOK

> > > AT

> > > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U

> > HAVE

> > > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN

JUDGE

> > > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET

CONFIDENCE

> > IN

> > > > KAS.

> > > > >

> > > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE

> > > > OVERLOOKED.

> > > > >

> > > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE

GIVEN,

> > > AND

> > > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED

THAT

> > > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL

> > LEARN

> > > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > With Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pratap

> > > > >

> > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is

> > > comfortable

> > > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply,

based

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to

study

> > > the

> > > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I

assume

> > > that

> > > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each

chart

> > to

> > > > > unfold it in a systematic manner.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so

that I

> > > can

> > > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer

> > > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of

> > > fixed

> > > > > rules?

> > > > >

> > > > > Please reply.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Pratap

> > Kaneria

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will

help.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967.

> > > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969.

> > > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976.

> > > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974.

> > > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June

1966.

> > > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968.

> > > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that

> > can

> > > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not

change

> > > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends

on a

> > > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors,

birthdata

> > > and

> > > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably

> > > > thousands

> > > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not

want

> > to

> > > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently

looked at

> > > my

> > > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it

> > > seems

> > > > to

> > > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not

proposing

> > > > that

> > > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I

thought I

> > > > > should mention what I have found.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball

park,

> > > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of

> > your

> > > > life

> > > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not

a

> > > happy

> > > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your

> > > > marriage

> > > > > > might have happened after 24 years.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th

> > > birthday

> > > > > i.e

> > > > > > after nov 28th 1968.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper

> > between

> > > > > 18th

> > > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves

> > > Ju/Ketu.

> > > > So

> > > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec

> > > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec

> > > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first

> > strong

> > > > > antra

> > > > > > after delay period is over.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month,

> > the

> > > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in

the

> > > prior

> > > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of

> > one

> > > > > antra

> > > > > > and start of the other.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your

birth

> > > > time

> > > > > is

> > > > > > in ball park.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge

> > the

> > > > > month

> > > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs

will

> > be

> > > > > very

> > > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events ,

many

> > > > events

> > > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and

> > > nakshtras.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A good exercise.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Pratap

> > > Kaneria

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is

> > > > approximately

> > > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late

evening.

> > > Then

> > > > it

> > > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I

have

> > > is

> > > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my

> > > > birthdate.

> > > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add

that my

> > > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with

Taurus

> > > > > ascendant

> > > > > > than Gemini.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you

> > share

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > with us please.

> > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Pratap

> > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married

in

> > > > 1968.

> > > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar,

> > > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month.

> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards.

> > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth

> > time

> > > is

> > > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My

> > > > answers

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > below.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some

events

> > for

> > > > us

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > verify your birth time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun.

Something

> > to

> > > do

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or

> > > teaching

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or

> > government

> > > > and

> > > > > > > Shani

> > > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to

> > the

> > > > same.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from

> > > India

> > > > as

> > > > > > > well as US.

> > > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since

1986

> > I

> > > > > worked

> > > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high

> > income

> > > > and

> > > > > > > expenses.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from

> > collegues /

> > > > > work

> > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health

issues.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues.

Yes

> > > > > changed

> > > > > > > jobs

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also

do

> > > your

> > > > > own

> > > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting

assignment

> > > > ended

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own

> > business.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken

some

> > big

> > > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also

might

> > > have

> > > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder

if u

> > > > might

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > started your own business during this time.

> > Nevertheless,

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > period is very powerful.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was

instrumental

> > in

> > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very

> > lucrative

> > > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec

1996.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father

> > > health

> > > > > wise

> > > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in

Moon

> > > > > > mahadasha.

> > > > > > > Mother still lives.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

Pratap

> > > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails

of

> > > the

> > > > > > group.

> > > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I

> > > > > volunteer

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27,

21N44.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure

out

> > my

> > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > date ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of

your

> > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion

helping

> > u

> > > by

> > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > their understanding.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many

things

> > can

> > > > get

> > > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to

> > support

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > query,

> > > > > > > > > even better.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so

many

> > > > things

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > get cleared.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > >

, " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for

detailed

> > > > > approach

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > exercise,

> > > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the

delay

> > > > caused

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > zero

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1

and

> > 9

> > > in

> > > > > > > 5:9...

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about

the

> > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > > > > > > > e.g.

> > > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C.

and

> > > say

> > > > > its

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be

> > > giving

> > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > as i

> > > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined

in

> > > rasi

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > navamsa. ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E

> > then

> > > > the

> > > > > > > delay

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector

> > after

> > > > > > satrun

> > > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if

saturn in

> > > > lord

> > > > > of

> > > > > > D

> > > > > > > > or E

> > > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered

till

> > the

> > > > > time

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event

would

> > > > occur

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 1st

> > > > > > > > > > sector itself.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the

> > lord

> > > of

> > > > > A,

> > > > > > B

> > > > > > > > and C

> > > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector

> > > after

> > > > 0

> > > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled

bring

> > > the

> > > > > age

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord

of

> > 1

> > > > and

> > > > > 9

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor

> > opposition.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are

> > > correct ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11

> > > > > > > positioning...

> > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if

> > > jupiter

> > > > is

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > libra in

> > > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or

> > > > nakshatra.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its

> > having

> > > > > > exactly

> > > > > > > 4

> > > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the

aspects of

> > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are

seen

> > > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > bhava or

> > > > > > > > > > rashis or both?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to

venus

> > > of

> > > > > > female

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu

> > would

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV

for

> > > > > picking

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more

> > > > thorough ........

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in

line.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " kaslearner "

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet,

Xavier

> > > and

> > > > > > > others,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter

delay

> > > is

> > > > > > > > nullified

> > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when

he

> > is

> > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and

could

> > > have

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I

> > considered

> > > an

> > > > > > > > > additional

> > > > > > > > > > > 10%

> > > > > > > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989

when

> > > the

> > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy

> > > marriage

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by

Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from

house

> > > 7.

> > > > So

> > > > > > sun

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power

for

> > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good

> > points

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage

to

> > the

> > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks

for

> > > the

> > > > > > > wishes

> > > > > > > > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Gita

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier

> > and

> > > > List

> > > > > > > > Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis.

> > Gita

> > > it

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to

the

> > > > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for

many.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this

puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > ,

> > > > > bala

> > > > > > > > sosale

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter

> > > antra

> > > > 2

> > > > > > > > > PDF

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct

> > antra

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for

> > > getting

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying

this.

> > > > Hope

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can

> > learn

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this

chart

> > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > analyse

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the following.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for

this

> > > > > Native?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get amazing travel prices for air and

hotel

> > in

> > > > one

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> > > > > > > > > on

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase

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Dear Ash,

 

I was wondering if you had a chance to look at my chart after I provided some

more events. Do you think it calls for a birthtime rectification? Can you also

shed some light on when my current bleak financial situation is scheduled to

improve?

 

With Regards,

 

Pratap

 

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Nalini,

Thank you for your candid feedback. Yes, mostly all events are in

line. I have made a typo, your career planets are Me and Ma and I

had typed Me and Mo. Kindly read it as Me, Me and Ma (Me and Ma).

 

You have said that your problems started after Venus antra ended in

Ve MD. I shall look into that when I get a chance. I feel that

some things might have happened in Ve/Ve that surfaced once Ve antra

ended... however leave that with me, I shall study that antra in

more detail.

 

About Marriage, I had predicted 2nd sector and marriage happened in

1st sector towards the end. Total difference I was off was about a

bit over 3 months. I think I have a good idea why it might have

happened in the 1st sector itself. In any case, thanks for the

feedback.

 

I think the rest of the things are pretty much in the ball park.

 

Ok, about your health, your problems have enhnaced since Sa came to

Cancer. Its transitting over 0 points. Let Saturn leave Cancer so

that will happen in October 2006. U can look forward also and see

if it retros back into Cancer. If it does again be more careful.

 

You must have a good immune system and in my opinion once Sa leaves

cancer, things should get better for you. Your antra has good power

for 6th house. Ra is SD to Me and Su. Sun is LoD for 6th.

 

Please keep us informed how things shape up for u after october i.e

when Sa crosses 1 deg into Leo.

 

Right now your Sa and Ju points are only 5 with Shani contributing 0

points and Shani right now is over a house with 0 points which is

your 2nd house. So you are feeling the brunt and things are not

working in your favour at the moment. Yes, antra is powerful for u

but the environment is not.

 

Give it some time, let Shani change signs. Your points will jump to

11 i.e. Sa and Ju. That is not a small thing. U will feel the

difference. Just wait and see. Keep us informed on your progress.

 

Good Luck.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, " auromirra19 "

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Ash ji,

>

> Kudos for a wonderful analysis. I have confirmed the events at the

> appropriate places.

> , " ashsam73 "

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nalini,

> > You must be a brilliant person with a photographic memory and

very

> > knowledgeable.

>

> Ash ji, yes I was the top ranker at school, blessed with

photographic

> memory, I used to visualise the pages I read before answering at

the

> exams.

> > You must be very helpful and undertsanding by nature and also

very

> > adjustive.

>

> True. known to be so and I think am easily adaptable.

> > Your chart is setup in a peculiar way. From 2nd thru to 6th house

> > the SAV points are all over 28 and from 7th thru to 10th they are

> > less than 28. 11th = 12th = 28 points.

> > So when transit planets travel from 2nd thru 6th continiously

your

> > daily points in transits will go up and then once they hit 7th

hosue

> > they would drop. Mostly Ve, Me and Su are close by. This is very

> > generally speaking.

> >

> > Your profession will be linked to Mercury and Moon. Mercury and

> > Moon i.e. profession giving planets are again in 10th house in

Rasi

> > and can indicated authority too.

>

> It involved banking, head of a big branch, dealing with people and

> money.

> >

> > Your 6th house and 10th house planets are powerful except Venus

and

> > Saturn. So some problems can be expected in those antra.

Otherwise

> > your career is good. Also 9th and 10th lords are conjoining in

7th

> > house and 10th lord is in 10th indicating good status and rise in

> > life career wise. Only thing is that u are too nice so people

might

> > take advantage of your kindness.

>

> Yes, this has been my bete noire.

> >

> > So Ve/Ve antra might have given u some problems in Career.

> >

> > Venus 1998-Mar-14 2001-Jul-14

>

> No. It was not problematic. The real trouble started in October

2001

> involving fraud- as the head of the branch I was in and out of

courts,

> police stations.

> >

> > Venus is karak for 10th house, 5th house, 1st house, 7th house

and

> > 12th house. So all the antras in Venus MD will be linked to the

> > same, again Venus is SD to Mars who is also 6th lord and 11th

lord.

> > Venus is SD to Mars so some effect of that too. Venus is SD to

Guru

> > also so some effect of that also blending in.

> >

> > You also have the blessing of your father/guru. So that is good.

>

> That has saved me from all the dire situations.

> >

> > About August 2004 the problems might have started to become more

> > intensed. i.e when Shani comes to last degree in Gemini and about

> > to transit into Cancer.

>

> My health turned worse in May 2004, and since then I was constantly

> being targeted by my boss. I was posted to a bigger branch full of

bad

> debts, court cases etc for cleaning up.I had to give up my job , I

> resigned on 29th November 2004 exactly 22 years after joining the

bank

> on 29th Nov 1982.

>

> That time u were running Mars antra in

> > Venus MD. Mars has less power in 5th house, 7th house and 12th

> > house. Here Venus is karak for 7th and it has less power in 7th

> > house so it might show some kind of accident or operation,

> > especially since Sa and Ju = 5 at the same time Sa is transitting

> > over 0 points and problems coming to you are related to 1st, 2nd,

> > 3rd and 4th house matters. Peace of mind is gone and lots of

> > worries and unnecessary worries will be there.

>

> I was involved in an accident, my own car dragged me 100 ft on the

road

> after my pallu got into the door while getting down. It was peak

hour

> traffic , at a junction in front of a bus stop- but strangely

traffic

> came to a standstill. Only after my car came back, and I got into

it

> everything moved- It is uncanny that nothing happened to me , not

even

> scratches.It was 14th or 15th of may 2002. I have been prone to

> accidents, many, but never injured.

>

>

> >

> > You have started Rahu antra now and Rahu is SD to Su and Me. Rahu

> > will be more like Mercury. Mercury has good power and is very

> > powerful for 4th house, 8th house, 11th house and 7th house by

> > virtue of being LoD and LoE. Its weak for 5th house, 9th and

12th.

> > So some problems in these areas of life or say stress, so it can

> > related to speculations, children, father, and pleasures.

>

> Yes, my worry is my children's education- my elder son who has not

been

> able to complete his graduation- due to relocation and here he is

again

> switched his subjects to Food tech.

> >

> > 11th v/s 12th house is showing more points for 11th than 12th so

no

> > stress about income as such, however 12th house points are less

so

> > its showing less happiness and pleasures.

>

> True.

> >

> > Regarding Marriage.

> >

> > Sa is in 5th hosue in navamsa showing full delay, Guru is

aspecting

> > Shani so moderating it, u got 1 zero in SAV. Shani is at 23deg19

> > and Sa has 0 and Sa itself is giving u blessing here.

> >

> > Considering all factors I feel marriage willl happen after 23

years

> > of age. So mars antra runs then and Mars is weak for 7th house in

> > WS so it cant give marriage. Next antra is that of Rahu. Rahu is

> > in House D so its very eager to give marriage.

> >

> > Rahu 1983-Sep-10 1986-Mar-30

>

> The antar is perfect.

> >

> > I feel 2nd sector will give marriage.

> >

> > Sector 2 1984-Jul-17 1985-May-23

> >

> > and strong date as per probable date finder is

> >

> > Sun and Venus 31-Aug 12-Sep

> >

> > So in 31st Aug thru 12th sept in 1984 would be my pick.

>

> I got married on 9th May 1984 - 24 years

> >

> > Then after marriage, Rahu itself can give Conception. But here

> > Venus is with Mars and aspected by Rahu so its showing some

issues

> > some miscarriage or cesearean child birth.

>

> I had my first son on 1st May 1985, a normal delivery but use of

forceps

> was there.There were two miscarriages after wards.

>

> Mars itslef is also 11th

> > lord and aspected by Rahu. So again showing that. 5th house

points

> > for Me are weak (Rahu) but 11th is strong. So I am getting some

> > question here.

> > Next antra is that of Ju and that will give conception.

>

> My second son was born on 29th June 1988.

> >

> > Ok, I am out of time.

> > Thank you, Ash ji for the detailed,brilliant analysis. I shall

use it

> for study.

>

> Nalini

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " auromirra19 "

> > nalini2818@ wrote:

> > >

> > > {Om Namo Narayanaya}

> > >

> > > Dear Ash ji,

> > > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded KAS2006.Can

you

> > > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if rectified,its

> > what

> > > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very

> > meticulous.

> > > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing acute

> > > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and

is on

> > > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson

for

> > me

> > > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details required.

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Nalini

> > > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In

> > > , " ashsam73 "

 

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that in

> > > order

> > > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly

based

> > on

> > > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time of

> > > change

> > > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of some

> > > stress

> > > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father once

u

> > > gave

> > > > the correct Mahadasha.

> > > >

> > > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence.

> > > >

> > > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the ball

> > > park,

> > > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10

events 8

> > > or

> > > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system is

> > > working

> > > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked

> > > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa as

> > > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS.

> > > >

> > > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is

based

> > on

> > > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked or

> > > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in line,

can

> > > be

> > > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique.

> > > >

> > > > That to me is science.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > > , Ash

 

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > >

> > > > > My answers in CAPS below.

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > Pratap Kaneria

wrote:

> > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to

say. I

> > do

> > > > not have any system or rules that I propose.

> > > > >

> > > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A

> > > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW DOES

> > ONE

> > > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE

SYSTEM

> > U

> > > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE

ALWYS

> > > GIVES

> > > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS

PER

> > > THAT

> > > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO

> > CONVEY

> > > IS

> > > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A

> > > SCIENCE.

> > > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE?

> > > > >

> > > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching, principles

> > > and

> > > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when

> > > applied

> > > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then my

> > > chart

> > > > is wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT

> > > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME LAW

OR

> > > SOME

> > > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW

> > SAY

> > > IF

> > > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS

> > > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE

NOT

> > > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS

> > > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY

EXPERIENCE

> > > SEEN

> > > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT

> > MATCH.

> > > I

> > > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE SOME

> > > EVENT

> > > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING THAT

ONE

> > > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH

WILL

> > > GET

> > > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO WORK

BY

> > IS

> > > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA.

> > > > >

> > > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS MATCH

> > OR

> > > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY

WE

> > > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN

LIFE

> > > WILL

> > > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND

USING

> > > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART AND

> > > > PARCEL OF IT.

> > > > >

> > > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate

> > > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY

> > > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS

AYANAMSA

> > IS

> > > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A

LOOK

> > > AT

> > > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U

> > HAVE

> > > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN

JUDGE

> > > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET

CONFIDENCE

> > IN

> > > > KAS.

> > > > >

> > > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT BE

> > > > OVERLOOKED.

> > > > >

> > > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE

GIVEN,

> > > AND

> > > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED

THAT

> > > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL

> > LEARN

> > > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > With Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pratap

> > > > >

> > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is

> > > comfortable

> > > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply,

based

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to

study

> > > the

> > > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I

assume

> > > that

> > > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each

chart

> > to

> > > > > unfold it in a systematic manner.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so

that I

> > > can

> > > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to answer

> > > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set of

> > > fixed

> > > > > rules?

> > > > >

> > > > > Please reply.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Pratap

> > Kaneria

> > > > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will

help.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967.

> > > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969.

> > > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976.

> > > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974.

> > > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June

1966.

> > > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968.

> > > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method that

> > can

> > > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not

change

> > > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it depends

on a

> > > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors,

birthdata

> > > and

> > > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed probably

> > > > thousands

> > > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not

want

> > to

> > > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently

looked at

> > > my

> > > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far it

> > > seems

> > > > to

> > > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not

proposing

> > > > that

> > > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I

thought I

> > > > > should mention what I have found.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball

park,

> > > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events of

> > your

> > > > life

> > > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the system.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast not

a

> > > happy

> > > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data your

> > > > marriage

> > > > > > might have happened after 24 years.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th

> > > birthday

> > > > > i.e

> > > > > > after nov 28th 1968.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper

> > between

> > > > > 18th

> > > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves

> > > Ju/Ketu.

> > > > So

> > > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec

> > > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec

> > > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first

> > strong

> > > > > antra

> > > > > > after delay period is over.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the month,

> > the

> > > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in

the

> > > prior

> > > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end of

> > one

> > > > > antra

> > > > > > and start of the other.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your

birth

> > > > time

> > > > > is

> > > > > > in ball park.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally judge

> > the

> > > > > month

> > > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs

will

> > be

> > > > > very

> > > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events ,

many

> > > > events

> > > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and

> > > nakshtras.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A good exercise.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Pratap

> > > Kaneria

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is

> > > > approximately

> > > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late

evening.

> > > Then

> > > > it

> > > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt I

have

> > > is

> > > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my

> > > > birthdate.

> > > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add

that my

> > > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with

Taurus

> > > > > ascendant

> > > > > > than Gemini.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can you

> > share

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > with us please.

> > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Pratap

> > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got married

in

> > > > 1968.

> > > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar,

> > > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month.

> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards.

> > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My birth

> > time

> > > is

> > > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further. My

> > > > answers

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > below.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some

events

> > for

> > > > us

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > verify your birth time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun.

Something

> > to

> > > do

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or

> > > teaching

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or

> > government

> > > > and

> > > > > > > Shani

> > > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked to

> > the

> > > > same.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees from

> > > India

> > > > as

> > > > > > > well as US.

> > > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since

1986

> > I

> > > > > worked

> > > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high

> > income

> > > > and

> > > > > > > expenses.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from

> > collegues /

> > > > > work

> > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health

issues.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health issues.

Yes

> > > > > changed

> > > > > > > jobs

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might also

do

> > > your

> > > > > own

> > > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting

assignment

> > > > ended

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own

> > business.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken

some

> > big

> > > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also

might

> > > have

> > > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder

if u

> > > > might

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > started your own business during this time.

> > Nevertheless,

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > period is very powerful.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was

instrumental

> > in

> > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very

> > lucrative

> > > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec

1996.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your father

> > > health

> > > > > wise

> > > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in

Moon

> > > > > > mahadasha.

> > > > > > > Mother still lives.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

Pratap

> > > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the emails

of

> > > the

> > > > > > group.

> > > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known data, I

> > > > > volunteer

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27,

21N44.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure

out

> > my

> > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > date ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of

your

> > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion

helping

> > u

> > > by

> > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > their understanding.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many

things

> > can

> > > > get

> > > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to

> > support

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > query,

> > > > > > > > > even better.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so

many

> > > > things

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > get cleared.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > >

, " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for

detailed

> > > > > approach

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > exercise,

> > > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the

delay

> > > > caused

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > zero

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of 1

and

> > 9

> > > in

> > > > > > > 5:9...

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused about

the

> > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > > > > > > > e.g.

> > > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting C.

and

> > > say

> > > > > its

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn be

> > > giving

> > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > as i

> > > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn combined

in

> > > rasi

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > navamsa. ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D or E

> > then

> > > > the

> > > > > > > delay

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st sector

> > after

> > > > > > satrun

> > > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if

saturn in

> > > > lord

> > > > > of

> > > > > > D

> > > > > > > > or E

> > > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered

till

> > the

> > > > > time

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event

would

> > > > occur

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 1st

> > > > > > > > > > sector itself.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects the

> > lord

> > > of

> > > > > A,

> > > > > > B

> > > > > > > > and C

> > > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st sector

> > > after

> > > > 0

> > > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled

bring

> > > the

> > > > > age

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if lord

of

> > 1

> > > > and

> > > > > 9

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor

> > opposition.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are

> > > correct ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in 3:11

> > > > > > > positioning...

> > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if

> > > jupiter

> > > > is

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > libra in

> > > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign or

> > > > nakshatra.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its

> > having

> > > > > > exactly

> > > > > > > 4

> > > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the

aspects of

> > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons are

seen

> > > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > bhava or

> > > > > > > > > > rashis or both?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to

venus

> > > of

> > > > > > female

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here rahu

> > would

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in SAV

for

> > > > > picking

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more

> > > > thorough ........

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly in

line.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " kaslearner "

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet,

Xavier

> > > and

> > > > > > > others,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter

delay

> > > is

> > > > > > > > nullified

> > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987 when

he

> > is

> > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and

could

> > > have

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I

> > considered

> > > an

> > > > > > > > > additional

> > > > > > > > > > > 10%

> > > > > > > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989

when

> > > the

> > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy

> > > marriage

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by

Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from

house

> > > 7.

> > > > So

> > > > > > sun

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough power

for

> > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good

> > points

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the marriage

to

> > the

> > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala. Thanks

for

> > > the

> > > > > > > wishes

> > > > > > > > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Gita

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and Xavier

> > and

> > > > List

> > > > > > > > Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect analysis.

> > Gita

> > > it

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came to

the

> > > > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience for

many.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this

puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > ,

> > > > > bala

> > > > > > > > sosale

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in Ra/Jupiter

> > > antra

> > > > 2

> > > > > > > > > PDF

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the correct

> > antra

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet for

> > > getting

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying

this.

> > > > Hope

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can

> > learn

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this

chart

> > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > analyse

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the following.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area for

this

> > > > > Native?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get amazing travel prices for air and

hotel

> > in

> > > > one

> > > > > > > click

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

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Dear Pratap,

I do not agree with the term bleak w.r.t your financial status. You

chart by no means is of averge income.

 

Yes, you can say that you are experiencing more expenses than income

in Venus antra.

 

Ve has 17 points in 11th and 19 points in 12th. So more expenses.

 

Next antra is of Sun.

 

That too is showing similar trend. More expenses than income.

 

Then come moon antra.

 

That is reverse. You will have more income than expense.

 

In all cases you are also making investment and hence u might be

feeling the pinch.

 

There after MD changes. Some life changing events will happen. I

am not narrowing it to particular time frame per say as there might

be some diff in time.. but sticking to ball park.

 

We can come to Guru MD when the time comes closer.

 

In moon antra u will face some worries.

 

Right now your sa and ju points are 7. Once they change signs your

poitns go to 8.

 

So my suggestion is to hang in there. You situation according to me

is not critical. You have made good investments and decisions in

your life so atleast with this birth chart I don't see any bleakness.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, Pratap Kaneria

<pkaneria wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> I was wondering if you had a chance to look at my chart after I

provided some more events. Do you think it calls for a birthtime

rectification? Can you also shed some light on when my current

bleak financial situation is scheduled to improve?

>

> With Regards,

>

> Pratap

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Nalini,

> Thank you for your candid feedback. Yes, mostly all events are in

> line. I have made a typo, your career planets are Me and Ma and I

> had typed Me and Mo. Kindly read it as Me, Me and Ma (Me and Ma).

>

> You have said that your problems started after Venus antra ended

in

> Ve MD. I shall look into that when I get a chance. I feel that

> some things might have happened in Ve/Ve that surfaced once Ve

antra

> ended... however leave that with me, I shall study that antra in

> more detail.

>

> About Marriage, I had predicted 2nd sector and marriage happened

in

> 1st sector towards the end. Total difference I was off was about a

> bit over 3 months. I think I have a good idea why it might have

> happened in the 1st sector itself. In any case, thanks for the

> feedback.

>

> I think the rest of the things are pretty much in the ball park.

>

> Ok, about your health, your problems have enhnaced since Sa came

to

> Cancer. Its transitting over 0 points. Let Saturn leave Cancer so

> that will happen in October 2006. U can look forward also and see

> if it retros back into Cancer. If it does again be more careful.

>

> You must have a good immune system and in my opinion once Sa

leaves

> cancer, things should get better for you. Your antra has good

power

> for 6th house. Ra is SD to Me and Su. Sun is LoD for 6th.

>

> Please keep us informed how things shape up for u after october

i.e

> when Sa crosses 1 deg into Leo.

>

> Right now your Sa and Ju points are only 5 with Shani contributing

0

> points and Shani right now is over a house with 0 points which is

> your 2nd house. So you are feeling the brunt and things are not

> working in your favour at the moment. Yes, antra is powerful for u

> but the environment is not.

>

> Give it some time, let Shani change signs. Your points will jump

to

> 11 i.e. Sa and Ju. That is not a small thing. U will feel the

> difference. Just wait and see. Keep us informed on your progress.

>

> Good Luck.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " auromirra19 "

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Ash ji,

> >

> > Kudos for a wonderful analysis. I have confirmed the events at

the

> > appropriate places.

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nalini,

> > > You must be a brilliant person with a photographic memory and

> very

> > > knowledgeable.

> >

> > Ash ji, yes I was the top ranker at school, blessed with

> photographic

> > memory, I used to visualise the pages I read before answering at

> the

> > exams.

> > > You must be very helpful and undertsanding by nature and also

> very

> > > adjustive.

> >

> > True. known to be so and I think am easily adaptable.

> > > Your chart is setup in a peculiar way. From 2nd thru to 6th

house

> > > the SAV points are all over 28 and from 7th thru to 10th they

are

> > > less than 28. 11th = 12th = 28 points.

> > > So when transit planets travel from 2nd thru 6th continiously

> your

> > > daily points in transits will go up and then once they hit 7th

> hosue

> > > they would drop. Mostly Ve, Me and Su are close by. This is

very

> > > generally speaking.

> > >

> > > Your profession will be linked to Mercury and Moon. Mercury and

> > > Moon i.e. profession giving planets are again in 10th house in

> Rasi

> > > and can indicated authority too.

> >

> > It involved banking, head of a big branch, dealing with people

and

> > money.

> > >

> > > Your 6th house and 10th house planets are powerful except

Venus

> and

> > > Saturn. So some problems can be expected in those antra.

> Otherwise

> > > your career is good. Also 9th and 10th lords are conjoining in

> 7th

> > > house and 10th lord is in 10th indicating good status and rise

in

> > > life career wise. Only thing is that u are too nice so people

> might

> > > take advantage of your kindness.

> >

> > Yes, this has been my bete noire.

> > >

> > > So Ve/Ve antra might have given u some problems in Career.

> > >

> > > Venus 1998-Mar-14 2001-Jul-14

> >

> > No. It was not problematic. The real trouble started in October

> 2001

> > involving fraud- as the head of the branch I was in and out of

> courts,

> > police stations.

> > >

> > > Venus is karak for 10th house, 5th house, 1st house, 7th house

> and

> > > 12th house. So all the antras in Venus MD will be linked to the

> > > same, again Venus is SD to Mars who is also 6th lord and 11th

> lord.

> > > Venus is SD to Mars so some effect of that too. Venus is SD to

> Guru

> > > also so some effect of that also blending in.

> > >

> > > You also have the blessing of your father/guru. So that is

good.

> >

> > That has saved me from all the dire situations.

> > >

> > > About August 2004 the problems might have started to become

more

> > > intensed. i.e when Shani comes to last degree in Gemini and

about

> > > to transit into Cancer.

> >

> > My health turned worse in May 2004, and since then I was

constantly

> > being targeted by my boss. I was posted to a bigger branch full

of

> bad

> > debts, court cases etc for cleaning up.I had to give up my job ,

I

> > resigned on 29th November 2004 exactly 22 years after joining

the

> bank

> > on 29th Nov 1982.

> >

> > That time u were running Mars antra in

> > > Venus MD. Mars has less power in 5th house, 7th house and 12th

> > > house. Here Venus is karak for 7th and it has less power in 7th

> > > house so it might show some kind of accident or operation,

> > > especially since Sa and Ju = 5 at the same time Sa is

transitting

> > > over 0 points and problems coming to you are related to 1st,

2nd,

> > > 3rd and 4th house matters. Peace of mind is gone and lots of

> > > worries and unnecessary worries will be there.

> >

> > I was involved in an accident, my own car dragged me 100 ft on

the

> road

> > after my pallu got into the door while getting down. It was peak

> hour

> > traffic , at a junction in front of a bus stop- but strangely

> traffic

> > came to a standstill. Only after my car came back, and I got

into

> it

> > everything moved- It is uncanny that nothing happened to me ,

not

> even

> > scratches.It was 14th or 15th of may 2002. I have been prone to

> > accidents, many, but never injured.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > You have started Rahu antra now and Rahu is SD to Su and Me.

Rahu

> > > will be more like Mercury. Mercury has good power and is very

> > > powerful for 4th house, 8th house, 11th house and 7th house by

> > > virtue of being LoD and LoE. Its weak for 5th house, 9th and

> 12th.

> > > So some problems in these areas of life or say stress, so it

can

> > > related to speculations, children, father, and pleasures.

> >

> > Yes, my worry is my children's education- my elder son who has

not

> been

> > able to complete his graduation- due to relocation and here he

is

> again

> > switched his subjects to Food tech.

> > >

> > > 11th v/s 12th house is showing more points for 11th than 12th

so

> no

> > > stress about income as such, however 12th house points are

less

> so

> > > its showing less happiness and pleasures.

> >

> > True.

> > >

> > > Regarding Marriage.

> > >

> > > Sa is in 5th hosue in navamsa showing full delay, Guru is

> aspecting

> > > Shani so moderating it, u got 1 zero in SAV. Shani is at

23deg19

> > > and Sa has 0 and Sa itself is giving u blessing here.

> > >

> > > Considering all factors I feel marriage willl happen after 23

> years

> > > of age. So mars antra runs then and Mars is weak for 7th house

in

> > > WS so it cant give marriage. Next antra is that of Rahu. Rahu

is

> > > in House D so its very eager to give marriage.

> > >

> > > Rahu 1983-Sep-10 1986-Mar-30

> >

> > The antar is perfect.

> > >

> > > I feel 2nd sector will give marriage.

> > >

> > > Sector 2 1984-Jul-17 1985-May-23

> > >

> > > and strong date as per probable date finder is

> > >

> > > Sun and Venus 31-Aug 12-Sep

> > >

> > > So in 31st Aug thru 12th sept in 1984 would be my pick.

> >

> > I got married on 9th May 1984 - 24 years

> > >

> > > Then after marriage, Rahu itself can give Conception. But here

> > > Venus is with Mars and aspected by Rahu so its showing some

> issues

> > > some miscarriage or cesearean child birth.

> >

> > I had my first son on 1st May 1985, a normal delivery but use of

> forceps

> > was there.There were two miscarriages after wards.

> >

> > Mars itslef is also 11th

> > > lord and aspected by Rahu. So again showing that. 5th house

> points

> > > for Me are weak (Rahu) but 11th is strong. So I am getting some

> > > question here.

> > > Next antra is that of Ju and that will give conception.

> >

> > My second son was born on 29th June 1988.

> > >

> > > Ok, I am out of time.

> > > Thank you, Ash ji for the detailed,brilliant analysis. I shall

> use it

> > for study.

> >

> > Nalini

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " auromirra19 "

> > > nalini2818@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > {Om Namo Narayanaya}

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash ji,

> > > > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded

KAS2006.Can

> you

> > > > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if

rectified,its

> > > what

> > > > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very

> > > meticulous.

> > > > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing

acute

> > > > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and

> is on

> > > > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson

> for

> > > me

> > > > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details

required.

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > Nalini

> > > > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In

> > > > , " ashsam73 "

>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that

in

> > > > order

> > > > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly

> based

> > > on

> > > > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time

of

> > > > change

> > > > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of

some

> > > > stress

> > > > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father

once

> u

> > > > gave

> > > > > the correct Mahadasha.

> > > > >

> > > > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the

ball

> > > > park,

> > > > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10

> events 8

> > > > or

> > > > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system

is

> > > > working

> > > > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked

> > > > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa

as

> > > > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is

> based

> > > on

> > > > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked

or

> > > > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in

line,

> can

> > > > be

> > > > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique.

> > > > >

> > > > > That to me is science.

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > , Ash

>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My answers in CAPS below.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pratap Kaneria

> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to

> say. I

> > > do

> > > > > not have any system or rules that I propose.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A

> > > > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW

DOES

> > > ONE

> > > > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE

> SYSTEM

> > > U

> > > > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE

> ALWYS

> > > > GIVES

> > > > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS

> PER

> > > > THAT

> > > > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO

> > > CONVEY

> > > > IS

> > > > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A

> > > > SCIENCE.

> > > > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching,

principles

> > > > and

> > > > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when

> > > > applied

> > > > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then

my

> > > > chart

> > > > > is wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT

> > > > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME

LAW

> OR

> > > > SOME

> > > > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW

> > > SAY

> > > > IF

> > > > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS

> > > > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE

> NOT

> > > > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS

> > > > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY

> EXPERIENCE

> > > > SEEN

> > > > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT

> > > MATCH.

> > > > I

> > > > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE

SOME

> > > > EVENT

> > > > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING

THAT

> ONE

> > > > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH

> WILL

> > > > GET

> > > > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO

WORK

> BY

> > > IS

> > > > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS

MATCH

> > > OR

> > > > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND

PHILOSOPHY

> WE

> > > > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN

> LIFE

> > > > WILL

> > > > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND

> USING

> > > > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART

AND

> > > > > PARCEL OF IT.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate

> > > > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY

> > > > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS

> AYANAMSA

> > > IS

> > > > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A

> LOOK

> > > > AT

> > > > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U

> > > HAVE

> > > > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN

> JUDGE

> > > > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET

> CONFIDENCE

> > > IN

> > > > > KAS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT

BE

> > > > > OVERLOOKED.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE

> GIVEN,

> > > > AND

> > > > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED

> THAT

> > > > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL

> > > LEARN

> > > > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is

> > > > comfortable

> > > > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply,

> based

> > > on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to

> study

> > > > the

> > > > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I

> assume

> > > > that

> > > > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each

> chart

> > > to

> > > > > > unfold it in a systematic manner.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so

> that I

> > > > can

> > > > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to

answer

> > > > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set

of

> > > > fixed

> > > > > > rules?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please reply.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Pratap

> > > Kaneria

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will

> help.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967.

> > > > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969.

> > > > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976.

> > > > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974.

> > > > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June

> 1966.

> > > > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968.

> > > > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method

that

> > > can

> > > > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not

> change

> > > > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it

depends

> on a

> > > > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors,

> birthdata

> > > > and

> > > > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed

probably

> > > > > thousands

> > > > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not

> want

> > > to

> > > > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently

> looked at

> > > > my

> > > > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far

it

> > > > seems

> > > > > to

> > > > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not

> proposing

> > > > > that

> > > > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I

> thought I

> > > > > > should mention what I have found.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball

> park,

> > > > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events

of

> > > your

> > > > > life

> > > > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the

system.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast

not

> a

> > > > happy

> > > > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data

your

> > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > might have happened after 24 years.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th

> > > > birthday

> > > > > > i.e

> > > > > > > after nov 28th 1968.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper

> > > between

> > > > > > 18th

> > > > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves

> > > > Ju/Ketu.

> > > > > So

> > > > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec

> > > > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec

> > > > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first

> > > strong

> > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > after delay period is over.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the

month,

> > > the

> > > > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in

> the

> > > > prior

> > > > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end

of

> > > one

> > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > and start of the other.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your

> birth

> > > > > time

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > in ball park.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally

judge

> > > the

> > > > > > month

> > > > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs

> will

> > > be

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events ,

> many

> > > > > events

> > > > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and

> > > > nakshtras.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A good exercise.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Pratap

> > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is

> > > > > approximately

> > > > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late

> evening.

> > > > Then

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt

I

> have

> > > > is

> > > > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my

> > > > > birthdate.

> > > > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add

> that my

> > > > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with

> Taurus

> > > > > > ascendant

> > > > > > > than Gemini.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can

you

> > > share

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > with us please.

> > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

Pratap

> > > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got

married

> in

> > > > > 1968.

> > > > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar,

> > > > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month.

> > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards.

> > > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My

birth

> > > time

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further.

My

> > > > > answers

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > below.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some

> events

> > > for

> > > > > us

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > verify your birth time.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun.

> Something

> > > to

> > > > do

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or

> > > > teaching

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or

> > > government

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Shani

> > > > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked

to

> > > the

> > > > > same.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees

from

> > > > India

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > well as US.

> > > > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since

> 1986

> > > I

> > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high

> > > income

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > expenses.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from

> > > collegues /

> > > > > > work

> > > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health

> issues.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health

issues.

> Yes

> > > > > > changed

> > > > > > > > jobs

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might

also

> do

> > > > your

> > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting

> assignment

> > > > > ended

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own

> > > business.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken

> some

> > > big

> > > > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also

> might

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder

> if u

> > > > > might

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > started your own business during this time.

> > > Nevertheless,

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > period is very powerful.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was

> instrumental

> > > in

> > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very

> > > lucrative

> > > > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec

> 1996.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your

father

> > > > health

> > > > > > wise

> > > > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in

> Moon

> > > > > > > mahadasha.

> > > > > > > > Mother still lives.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ,

> Pratap

> > > > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the

emails

> of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > group.

> > > > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known

data, I

> > > > > > volunteer

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27,

> 21N44.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure

> out

> > > my

> > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > date ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of

> your

> > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion

> helping

> > > u

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > > their understanding.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many

> things

> > > can

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to

> > > support

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > query,

> > > > > > > > > > even better.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so

> many

> > > > > things

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > get cleared.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >

> , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for

> detailed

> > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > exercise,

> > > > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the

> delay

> > > > > caused

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > zero

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of

1

> and

> > > 9

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > 5:9...

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused

about

> the

> > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > > > > > > > > e.g.

> > > > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting

C.

> and

> > > > say

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn

be

> > > > giving

> > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > > as i

> > > > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn

combined

> in

> > > > rasi

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > navamsa. ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D

or E

> > > then

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > delay

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st

sector

> > > after

> > > > > > > satrun

> > > > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if

> saturn in

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > D

> > > > > > > > > or E

> > > > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered

> till

> > > the

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event

> would

> > > > > occur

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 1st

> > > > > > > > > > > sector itself.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects

the

> > > lord

> > > > of

> > > > > > A,

> > > > > > > B

> > > > > > > > > and C

> > > > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st

sector

> > > > after

> > > > > 0

> > > > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled

> bring

> > > > the

> > > > > > age

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if

lord

> of

> > > 1

> > > > > and

> > > > > > 9

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor

> > > opposition.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are

> > > > correct ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in

3:11

> > > > > > > > positioning...

> > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if

> > > > jupiter

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > libra in

> > > > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign

or

> > > > > nakshatra.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its

> > > having

> > > > > > > exactly

> > > > > > > > 4

> > > > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the

> aspects of

> > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons

are

> seen

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > bhava or

> > > > > > > > > > > rashis or both?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to

> venus

> > > > of

> > > > > > > female

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here

rahu

> > > would

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in

SAV

> for

> > > > > > picking

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more

> > > > > thorough ........

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly

in

> line.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >

, " kaslearner "

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet,

> Xavier

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > others,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter

> delay

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > nullified

> > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987

when

> he

> > > is

> > > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and

> could

> > > > have

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I

> > > considered

> > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > additional

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10%

> > > > > > > > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989

> when

> > > > the

> > > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy

> > > > marriage

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by

> Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from

> house

> > > > 7.

> > > > > So

> > > > > > > sun

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough

power

> for

> > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good

> > > points

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the

marriage

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala.

Thanks

> for

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > wishes

> > > > > > > > > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and

Xavier

> > > and

> > > > > List

> > > > > > > > > Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect

analysis.

> > > Gita

> > > > it

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came

to

> the

> > > > > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience

for

> many.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this

> puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > ,

> > > > > > bala

> > > > > > > > > sosale

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in

Ra/Jupiter

> > > > antra

> > > > > 2

> > > > > > > > > > PDF

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the

correct

> > > antra

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet

for

> > > > getting

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying

> this.

> > > > > Hope

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can

> > > learn

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this

> chart

> > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > > analyse

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the following.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area

for

> this

> > > > > > Native?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase

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Dear Ash,

 

Thanks. You are right about more expenses than income. Income is practically

zero and expenses are same. So I have to wait till Rahu-Moon which will begin

sometime in June next year. Yes. I am making investments in education. I am

studying and collecting certificates at this time which does not seem to help

right now. I am wondering if I ever will be able to retire? I am looking forward

to time latter this year when Saturn, Guru and Rahu change signs. May be that

will bring some better time for me. It is not that I am going without eating

anyday but I constantly worry about financial situation in old age. One of my

dream that never came true is to be able to return to India for ever.

 

Can you elaborate little bit about 'life changing events' in Guru Mahadasha?

 

With Warm Regards,

 

Pratap

 

 

 

ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Dear Pratap,

I do not agree with the term bleak w.r.t your financial status. You

chart by no means is of averge income.

 

Yes, you can say that you are experiencing more expenses than income

in Venus antra.

 

Ve has 17 points in 11th and 19 points in 12th. So more expenses.

 

Next antra is of Sun.

 

That too is showing similar trend. More expenses than income.

 

Then come moon antra.

 

That is reverse. You will have more income than expense.

 

In all cases you are also making investment and hence u might be

feeling the pinch.

 

There after MD changes. Some life changing events will happen. I

am not narrowing it to particular time frame per say as there might

be some diff in time.. but sticking to ball park.

 

We can come to Guru MD when the time comes closer.

 

In moon antra u will face some worries.

 

Right now your sa and ju points are 7. Once they change signs your

poitns go to 8.

 

So my suggestion is to hang in there. You situation according to me

is not critical. You have made good investments and decisions in

your life so atleast with this birth chart I don't see any bleakness.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, Pratap Kaneria

 

wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> I was wondering if you had a chance to look at my chart after I

provided some more events. Do you think it calls for a birthtime

rectification? Can you also shed some light on when my current

bleak financial situation is scheduled to improve?

>

> With Regards,

>

> Pratap

>

> ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Nalini,

> Thank you for your candid feedback. Yes, mostly all events are in

> line. I have made a typo, your career planets are Me and Ma and I

> had typed Me and Mo. Kindly read it as Me, Me and Ma (Me and Ma).

>

> You have said that your problems started after Venus antra ended

in

> Ve MD. I shall look into that when I get a chance. I feel that

> some things might have happened in Ve/Ve that surfaced once Ve

antra

> ended... however leave that with me, I shall study that antra in

> more detail.

>

> About Marriage, I had predicted 2nd sector and marriage happened

in

> 1st sector towards the end. Total difference I was off was about a

> bit over 3 months. I think I have a good idea why it might have

> happened in the 1st sector itself. In any case, thanks for the

> feedback.

>

> I think the rest of the things are pretty much in the ball park.

>

> Ok, about your health, your problems have enhnaced since Sa came

to

> Cancer. Its transitting over 0 points. Let Saturn leave Cancer so

> that will happen in October 2006. U can look forward also and see

> if it retros back into Cancer. If it does again be more careful.

>

> You must have a good immune system and in my opinion once Sa

leaves

> cancer, things should get better for you. Your antra has good

power

> for 6th house. Ra is SD to Me and Su. Sun is LoD for 6th.

>

> Please keep us informed how things shape up for u after october

i.e

> when Sa crosses 1 deg into Leo.

>

> Right now your Sa and Ju points are only 5 with Shani contributing

0

> points and Shani right now is over a house with 0 points which is

> your 2nd house. So you are feeling the brunt and things are not

> working in your favour at the moment. Yes, antra is powerful for u

> but the environment is not.

>

> Give it some time, let Shani change signs. Your points will jump

to

> 11 i.e. Sa and Ju. That is not a small thing. U will feel the

> difference. Just wait and see. Keep us informed on your progress.

>

> Good Luck.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , " auromirra19 "

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Ash ji,

> >

> > Kudos for a wonderful analysis. I have confirmed the events at

the

> > appropriate places.

> > , " ashsam73 "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nalini,

> > > You must be a brilliant person with a photographic memory and

> very

> > > knowledgeable.

> >

> > Ash ji, yes I was the top ranker at school, blessed with

> photographic

> > memory, I used to visualise the pages I read before answering at

> the

> > exams.

> > > You must be very helpful and undertsanding by nature and also

> very

> > > adjustive.

> >

> > True. known to be so and I think am easily adaptable.

> > > Your chart is setup in a peculiar way. From 2nd thru to 6th

house

> > > the SAV points are all over 28 and from 7th thru to 10th they

are

> > > less than 28. 11th = 12th = 28 points.

> > > So when transit planets travel from 2nd thru 6th continiously

> your

> > > daily points in transits will go up and then once they hit 7th

> hosue

> > > they would drop. Mostly Ve, Me and Su are close by. This is

very

> > > generally speaking.

> > >

> > > Your profession will be linked to Mercury and Moon. Mercury and

> > > Moon i.e. profession giving planets are again in 10th house in

> Rasi

> > > and can indicated authority too.

> >

> > It involved banking, head of a big branch, dealing with people

and

> > money.

> > >

> > > Your 6th house and 10th house planets are powerful except

Venus

> and

> > > Saturn. So some problems can be expected in those antra.

> Otherwise

> > > your career is good. Also 9th and 10th lords are conjoining in

> 7th

> > > house and 10th lord is in 10th indicating good status and rise

in

> > > life career wise. Only thing is that u are too nice so people

> might

> > > take advantage of your kindness.

> >

> > Yes, this has been my bete noire.

> > >

> > > So Ve/Ve antra might have given u some problems in Career.

> > >

> > > Venus 1998-Mar-14 2001-Jul-14

> >

> > No. It was not problematic. The real trouble started in October

> 2001

> > involving fraud- as the head of the branch I was in and out of

> courts,

> > police stations.

> > >

> > > Venus is karak for 10th house, 5th house, 1st house, 7th house

> and

> > > 12th house. So all the antras in Venus MD will be linked to the

> > > same, again Venus is SD to Mars who is also 6th lord and 11th

> lord.

> > > Venus is SD to Mars so some effect of that too. Venus is SD to

> Guru

> > > also so some effect of that also blending in.

> > >

> > > You also have the blessing of your father/guru. So that is

good.

> >

> > That has saved me from all the dire situations.

> > >

> > > About August 2004 the problems might have started to become

more

> > > intensed. i.e when Shani comes to last degree in Gemini and

about

> > > to transit into Cancer.

> >

> > My health turned worse in May 2004, and since then I was

constantly

> > being targeted by my boss. I was posted to a bigger branch full

of

> bad

> > debts, court cases etc for cleaning up.I had to give up my job ,

I

> > resigned on 29th November 2004 exactly 22 years after joining

the

> bank

> > on 29th Nov 1982.

> >

> > That time u were running Mars antra in

> > > Venus MD. Mars has less power in 5th house, 7th house and 12th

> > > house. Here Venus is karak for 7th and it has less power in 7th

> > > house so it might show some kind of accident or operation,

> > > especially since Sa and Ju = 5 at the same time Sa is

transitting

> > > over 0 points and problems coming to you are related to 1st,

2nd,

> > > 3rd and 4th house matters. Peace of mind is gone and lots of

> > > worries and unnecessary worries will be there.

> >

> > I was involved in an accident, my own car dragged me 100 ft on

the

> road

> > after my pallu got into the door while getting down. It was peak

> hour

> > traffic , at a junction in front of a bus stop- but strangely

> traffic

> > came to a standstill. Only after my car came back, and I got

into

> it

> > everything moved- It is uncanny that nothing happened to me ,

not

> even

> > scratches.It was 14th or 15th of may 2002. I have been prone to

> > accidents, many, but never injured.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > You have started Rahu antra now and Rahu is SD to Su and Me.

Rahu

> > > will be more like Mercury. Mercury has good power and is very

> > > powerful for 4th house, 8th house, 11th house and 7th house by

> > > virtue of being LoD and LoE. Its weak for 5th house, 9th and

> 12th.

> > > So some problems in these areas of life or say stress, so it

can

> > > related to speculations, children, father, and pleasures.

> >

> > Yes, my worry is my children's education- my elder son who has

not

> been

> > able to complete his graduation- due to relocation and here he

is

> again

> > switched his subjects to Food tech.

> > >

> > > 11th v/s 12th house is showing more points for 11th than 12th

so

> no

> > > stress about income as such, however 12th house points are

less

> so

> > > its showing less happiness and pleasures.

> >

> > True.

> > >

> > > Regarding Marriage.

> > >

> > > Sa is in 5th hosue in navamsa showing full delay, Guru is

> aspecting

> > > Shani so moderating it, u got 1 zero in SAV. Shani is at

23deg19

> > > and Sa has 0 and Sa itself is giving u blessing here.

> > >

> > > Considering all factors I feel marriage willl happen after 23

> years

> > > of age. So mars antra runs then and Mars is weak for 7th house

in

> > > WS so it cant give marriage. Next antra is that of Rahu. Rahu

is

> > > in House D so its very eager to give marriage.

> > >

> > > Rahu 1983-Sep-10 1986-Mar-30

> >

> > The antar is perfect.

> > >

> > > I feel 2nd sector will give marriage.

> > >

> > > Sector 2 1984-Jul-17 1985-May-23

> > >

> > > and strong date as per probable date finder is

> > >

> > > Sun and Venus 31-Aug 12-Sep

> > >

> > > So in 31st Aug thru 12th sept in 1984 would be my pick.

> >

> > I got married on 9th May 1984 - 24 years

> > >

> > > Then after marriage, Rahu itself can give Conception. But here

> > > Venus is with Mars and aspected by Rahu so its showing some

> issues

> > > some miscarriage or cesearean child birth.

> >

> > I had my first son on 1st May 1985, a normal delivery but use of

> forceps

> > was there.There were two miscarriages after wards.

> >

> > Mars itslef is also 11th

> > > lord and aspected by Rahu. So again showing that. 5th house

> points

> > > for Me are weak (Rahu) but 11th is strong. So I am getting some

> > > question here.

> > > Next antra is that of Ju and that will give conception.

> >

> > My second son was born on 29th June 1988.

> > >

> > > Ok, I am out of time.

> > > Thank you, Ash ji for the detailed,brilliant analysis. I shall

> use it

> > for study.

> >

> > Nalini

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " auromirra19 "

> > > nalini2818@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > {Om Namo Narayanaya}

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ash ji,

> > > > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded

KAS2006.Can

> you

> > > > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if

rectified,its

> > > what

> > > > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very

> > > meticulous.

> > > > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing

acute

> > > > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house and

> is on

> > > > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning lesson

> for

> > > me

> > > > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details

required.

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > Nalini

> > > > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In

> > > > , " ashsam73 "

>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is that

in

> > > > order

> > > > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly

> based

> > > on

> > > > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession, time

of

> > > > change

> > > > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of

some

> > > > stress

> > > > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father

once

> u

> > > > gave

> > > > > the correct Mahadasha.

> > > > >

> > > > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the

ball

> > > > park,

> > > > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10

> events 8

> > > > or

> > > > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that system

is

> > > > working

> > > > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has overlooked

> > > > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside ayanamsa

as

> > > > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is

> based

> > > on

> > > > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I checked

or

> > > > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in

line,

> can

> > > > be

> > > > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique.

> > > > >

> > > > > That to me is science.

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash

> > > > >

> > > > > , Ash

>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My answers in CAPS below.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pratap Kaneria

> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to

> say. I

> > > do

> > > > > not have any system or rules that I propose.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A

> > > > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW

DOES

> > > ONE

> > > > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE

> SYSTEM

> > > U

> > > > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE

> ALWYS

> > > > GIVES

> > > > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS AS

> PER

> > > > THAT

> > > > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO

> > > CONVEY

> > > > IS

> > > > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A

> > > > SCIENCE.

> > > > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching,

principles

> > > > and

> > > > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly when

> > > > applied

> > > > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart, then

my

> > > > chart

> > > > > is wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT

> > > > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME

LAW

> OR

> > > > SOME

> > > > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME. NOW

> > > SAY

> > > > IF

> > > > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME IS

> > > > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS ARE

> NOT

> > > > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE IS

> > > > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY

> EXPERIENCE

> > > > SEEN

> > > > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO NOT

> > > MATCH.

> > > > I

> > > > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE

SOME

> > > > EVENT

> > > > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING

THAT

> ONE

> > > > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION. WHICH

> WILL

> > > > GET

> > > > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO

WORK

> BY

> > > IS

> > > > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS

MATCH

> > > OR

> > > > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND

PHILOSOPHY

> WE

> > > > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE THEN

> LIFE

> > > > WILL

> > > > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT AND

> USING

> > > > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND PART

AND

> > > > > PARCEL OF IT.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1. Inaccurate

> > > > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN SAFELY

> > > > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS

> AYANAMSA

> > > IS

> > > > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE A

> LOOK

> > > > AT

> > > > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE. IF U

> > > HAVE

> > > > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU CAN

> JUDGE

> > > > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET

> CONFIDENCE

> > > IN

> > > > > KAS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO CANT

BE

> > > > > OVERLOOKED.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE

> GIVEN,

> > > > AND

> > > > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS INDEED

> THAT

> > > > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I WILL

> > > LEARN

> > > > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is

> > > > comfortable

> > > > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply,

> based

> > > on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious to

> study

> > > > the

> > > > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I

> assume

> > > > that

> > > > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each

> chart

> > > to

> > > > > > unfold it in a systematic manner.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me so

> that I

> > > > can

> > > > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to

answer

> > > > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those set

of

> > > > fixed

> > > > > > rules?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please reply.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Pratap

> > > Kaneria

> > > > > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that will

> help.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967.

> > > > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969.

> > > > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976.

> > > > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974.

> > > > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June

> 1966.

> > > > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan 1968.

> > > > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method

that

> > > can

> > > > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not

> change

> > > > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it

depends

> on a

> > > > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors,

> birthdata

> > > > and

> > > > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed

probably

> > > > > thousands

> > > > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do not

> want

> > > to

> > > > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently

> looked at

> > > > my

> > > > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so far

it

> > > > seems

> > > > > to

> > > > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not

> proposing

> > > > > that

> > > > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I

> thought I

> > > > > > should mention what I have found.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the ball

> park,

> > > > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many events

of

> > > your

> > > > > life

> > > > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the

system.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast

not

> a

> > > > happy

> > > > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data

your

> > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > might have happened after 24 years.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your 24th

> > > > birthday

> > > > > > i.e

> > > > > > > after nov 28th 1968.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in proper

> > > between

> > > > > > 18th

> > > > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that leaves

> > > > Ju/Ketu.

> > > > > So

> > > > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec

> > > > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec

> > > > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the first

> > > strong

> > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > after delay period is over.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the

month,

> > > the

> > > > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just in

> the

> > > > prior

> > > > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by end

of

> > > one

> > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > and start of the other.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that your

> birth

> > > > > time

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > in ball park.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally

judge

> > > the

> > > > > > month

> > > > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus pdfs

> will

> > > be

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down events ,

> many

> > > > > events

> > > > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs and

> > > > nakshtras.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A good exercise.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Pratap

> > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is

> > > > > approximately

> > > > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late

> evening.

> > > > Then

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One doubt

I

> have

> > > > is

> > > > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during my

> > > > > birthdate.

> > > > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add

> that my

> > > > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with

> Taurus

> > > > > > ascendant

> > > > > > > than Gemini.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can

you

> > > share

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > with us please.

> > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

Pratap

> > > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got

married

> in

> > > > > 1968.

> > > > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar,

> > > > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month.

> > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards.

> > > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My

birth

> > > time

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check further.

My

> > > > > answers

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > below.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some

> events

> > > for

> > > > > us

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > verify your birth time.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun.

> Something

> > > to

> > > > do

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy or

> > > > teaching

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or

> > > government

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Shani

> > > > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison linked

to

> > > the

> > > > > same.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees

from

> > > > India

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > well as US.

> > > > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT. Since

> 1986

> > > I

> > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both high

> > > income

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > expenses.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from

> > > collegues /

> > > > > > work

> > > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health

> issues.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health

issues.

> Yes

> > > > > > changed

> > > > > > > > jobs

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might

also

> do

> > > > your

> > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting

> assignment

> > > > > ended

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own

> > > business.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have taken

> some

> > > big

> > > > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You also

> might

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I wonder

> if u

> > > > > might

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > started your own business during this time.

> > > Nevertheless,

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > period is very powerful.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was

> instrumental

> > > in

> > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very

> > > lucrative

> > > > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on Dec

> 1996.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your

father

> > > > health

> > > > > > wise

> > > > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired in

> Moon

> > > > > > > mahadasha.

> > > > > > > > Mother still lives.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ,

> Pratap

> > > > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the

emails

> of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > group.

> > > > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known

data, I

> > > > > > volunteer

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST), 70E27,

> 21N44.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone figure

> out

> > > my

> > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > date ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning of

> your

> > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion

> helping

> > > u

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > > their understanding.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many

> things

> > > can

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to

> > > support

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > query,

> > > > > > > > > > even better.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process so

> many

> > > > > things

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > get cleared.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >

> , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for

> detailed

> > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > exercise,

> > > > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the

> delay

> > > > > caused

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > zero

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord of

1

> and

> > > 9

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > 5:9...

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused

about

> the

> > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > > > > > > > > e.g.

> > > > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting

C.

> and

> > > > say

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would saturn

be

> > > > giving

> > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > > as i

> > > > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn

combined

> in

> > > > rasi

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > navamsa. ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D

or E

> > > then

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > delay

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st

sector

> > > after

> > > > > > > satrun

> > > > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if

> saturn in

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > D

> > > > > > > > > or E

> > > > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be considered

> till

> > > the

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the event

> would

> > > > > occur

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > 1st

> > > > > > > > > > > sector itself.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects

the

> > > lord

> > > > of

> > > > > > A,

> > > > > > > B

> > > > > > > > > and C

> > > > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st

sector

> > > > after

> > > > > 0

> > > > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether cancelled

> bring

> > > > the

> > > > > > age

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if

lord

> of

> > > 1

> > > > > and

> > > > > > 9

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor

> > > opposition.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points are

> > > > correct ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in

3:11

> > > > > > > > positioning...

> > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function if

> > > > jupiter

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > libra in

> > > > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn sign

or

> > > > > nakshatra.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if its

> > > having

> > > > > > > exactly

> > > > > > > > 4

> > > > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the

> aspects of

> > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons

are

> seen

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > bhava or

> > > > > > > > > > > rashis or both?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine to

> venus

> > > > of

> > > > > > > female

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here

rahu

> > > would

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in

SAV

> for

> > > > > > picking

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more

> > > > > thorough ........

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly

in

> line.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >

, " kaslearner "

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh, Harjeet,

> Xavier

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > others,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa. Jupiter

> delay

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > nullified

> > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987

when

> he

> > > is

> > > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points and

> could

> > > > have

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I

> > > considered

> > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > additional

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10%

> > > > > > > > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July 1989

> when

> > > > the

> > > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of unhappy

> > > > marriage

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out by

> Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th from

> house

> > > > 7.

> > > > > So

> > > > > > > sun

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough

power

> for

> > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has good

> > > points

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the

marriage

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala.

Thanks

> for

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > wishes

> > > > > > > > > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and

Xavier

> > > and

> > > > > List

> > > > > > > > > Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect

analysis.

> > > Gita

> > > > it

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came

to

> the

> > > > > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience

for

> many.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted this

> puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > ,

> > > > > > bala

> > > > > > > > > sosale

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in

Ra/Jupiter

> > > > antra

> > > > > 2

> > > > > > > > > > PDF

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the

correct

> > > antra

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet

for

> > > > getting

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for trying

> this.

> > > > > Hope

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others can

> > > learn

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this

> chart

> > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > > analyse

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the following.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area

for

> this

> > > > > > Native?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get amazing travel prices for air and

> hotel

> > > in

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > > click

> > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Pratap,

Refer to the archives on the thread called " Turning Points " . That

should give u some insight. Refer to Krushnajis mails and study

then very closely. Hes given many hints if memory serves me right

and that I am still in the process of understanding in depth.

Each time I read the mails, it adds another layer of understanding.

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, Pratap Kaneria

<pkaneria wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> Thanks. You are right about more expenses than income. Income is

practically zero and expenses are same. So I have to wait till Rahu-

Moon which will begin sometime in June next year. Yes. I am making

investments in education. I am studying and collecting certificates

at this time which does not seem to help right now. I am wondering

if I ever will be able to retire? I am looking forward to time

latter this year when Saturn, Guru and Rahu change signs. May be

that will bring some better time for me. It is not that I am going

without eating anyday but I constantly worry about financial

situation in old age. One of my dream that never came true is to be

able to return to India for ever.

>

> Can you elaborate little bit about 'life changing events' in

Guru Mahadasha?

>

> With Warm Regards,

>

> Pratap

>

>

>

> ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

> Dear Pratap,

> I do not agree with the term bleak w.r.t your financial status.

You

> chart by no means is of averge income.

>

> Yes, you can say that you are experiencing more expenses than

income

> in Venus antra.

>

> Ve has 17 points in 11th and 19 points in 12th. So more expenses.

>

> Next antra is of Sun.

>

> That too is showing similar trend. More expenses than income.

>

> Then come moon antra.

>

> That is reverse. You will have more income than expense.

>

> In all cases you are also making investment and hence u might be

> feeling the pinch.

>

> There after MD changes. Some life changing events will happen. I

> am not narrowing it to particular time frame per say as there

might

> be some diff in time.. but sticking to ball park.

>

> We can come to Guru MD when the time comes closer.

>

> In moon antra u will face some worries.

>

> Right now your sa and ju points are 7. Once they change signs your

> poitns go to 8.

>

> So my suggestion is to hang in there. You situation according to

me

> is not critical. You have made good investments and decisions in

> your life so atleast with this birth chart I don't see any

bleakness.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , Pratap Kaneria

>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > I was wondering if you had a chance to look at my chart after I

> provided some more events. Do you think it calls for a birthtime

> rectification? Can you also shed some light on when my current

> bleak financial situation is scheduled to improve?

> >

> > With Regards,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> > ashsam73 wrote:

> > Dear Nalini,

> > Thank you for your candid feedback. Yes, mostly all events are

in

> > line. I have made a typo, your career planets are Me and Ma and

I

> > had typed Me and Mo. Kindly read it as Me, Me and Ma (Me and Ma).

> >

> > You have said that your problems started after Venus antra ended

> in

> > Ve MD. I shall look into that when I get a chance. I feel that

> > some things might have happened in Ve/Ve that surfaced once Ve

> antra

> > ended... however leave that with me, I shall study that antra in

> > more detail.

> >

> > About Marriage, I had predicted 2nd sector and marriage happened

> in

> > 1st sector towards the end. Total difference I was off was about

a

> > bit over 3 months. I think I have a good idea why it might have

> > happened in the 1st sector itself. In any case, thanks for the

> > feedback.

> >

> > I think the rest of the things are pretty much in the ball park.

> >

> > Ok, about your health, your problems have enhnaced since Sa came

> to

> > Cancer. Its transitting over 0 points. Let Saturn leave Cancer

so

> > that will happen in October 2006. U can look forward also and

see

> > if it retros back into Cancer. If it does again be more careful.

> >

> > You must have a good immune system and in my opinion once Sa

> leaves

> > cancer, things should get better for you. Your antra has good

> power

> > for 6th house. Ra is SD to Me and Su. Sun is LoD for 6th.

> >

> > Please keep us informed how things shape up for u after october

> i.e

> > when Sa crosses 1 deg into Leo.

> >

> > Right now your Sa and Ju points are only 5 with Shani

contributing

> 0

> > points and Shani right now is over a house with 0 points which

is

> > your 2nd house. So you are feeling the brunt and things are not

> > working in your favour at the moment. Yes, antra is powerful for

u

> > but the environment is not.

> >

> > Give it some time, let Shani change signs. Your points will jump

> to

> > 11 i.e. Sa and Ju. That is not a small thing. U will feel the

> > difference. Just wait and see. Keep us informed on your progress.

> >

> > Good Luck.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> > , " auromirra19 "

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Ash ji,

> > >

> > > Kudos for a wonderful analysis. I have confirmed the events at

> the

> > > appropriate places.

> > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Nalini,

> > > > You must be a brilliant person with a photographic memory

and

> > very

> > > > knowledgeable.

> > >

> > > Ash ji, yes I was the top ranker at school, blessed with

> > photographic

> > > memory, I used to visualise the pages I read before answering

at

> > the

> > > exams.

> > > > You must be very helpful and undertsanding by nature and

also

> > very

> > > > adjustive.

> > >

> > > True. known to be so and I think am easily adaptable.

> > > > Your chart is setup in a peculiar way. From 2nd thru to 6th

> house

> > > > the SAV points are all over 28 and from 7th thru to 10th

they

> are

> > > > less than 28. 11th = 12th = 28 points.

> > > > So when transit planets travel from 2nd thru 6th

continiously

> > your

> > > > daily points in transits will go up and then once they hit

7th

> > hosue

> > > > they would drop. Mostly Ve, Me and Su are close by. This is

> very

> > > > generally speaking.

> > > >

> > > > Your profession will be linked to Mercury and Moon. Mercury

and

> > > > Moon i.e. profession giving planets are again in 10th house

in

> > Rasi

> > > > and can indicated authority too.

> > >

> > > It involved banking, head of a big branch, dealing with people

> and

> > > money.

> > > >

> > > > Your 6th house and 10th house planets are powerful except

> Venus

> > and

> > > > Saturn. So some problems can be expected in those antra.

> > Otherwise

> > > > your career is good. Also 9th and 10th lords are conjoining

in

> > 7th

> > > > house and 10th lord is in 10th indicating good status and

rise

> in

> > > > life career wise. Only thing is that u are too nice so

people

> > might

> > > > take advantage of your kindness.

> > >

> > > Yes, this has been my bete noire.

> > > >

> > > > So Ve/Ve antra might have given u some problems in Career.

> > > >

> > > > Venus 1998-Mar-14 2001-Jul-14

> > >

> > > No. It was not problematic. The real trouble started in

October

> > 2001

> > > involving fraud- as the head of the branch I was in and out of

> > courts,

> > > police stations.

> > > >

> > > > Venus is karak for 10th house, 5th house, 1st house, 7th

house

> > and

> > > > 12th house. So all the antras in Venus MD will be linked to

the

> > > > same, again Venus is SD to Mars who is also 6th lord and

11th

> > lord.

> > > > Venus is SD to Mars so some effect of that too. Venus is SD

to

> > Guru

> > > > also so some effect of that also blending in.

> > > >

> > > > You also have the blessing of your father/guru. So that is

> good.

> > >

> > > That has saved me from all the dire situations.

> > > >

> > > > About August 2004 the problems might have started to become

> more

> > > > intensed. i.e when Shani comes to last degree in Gemini and

> about

> > > > to transit into Cancer.

> > >

> > > My health turned worse in May 2004, and since then I was

> constantly

> > > being targeted by my boss. I was posted to a bigger branch

full

> of

> > bad

> > > debts, court cases etc for cleaning up.I had to give up my

job ,

> I

> > > resigned on 29th November 2004 exactly 22 years after joining

> the

> > bank

> > > on 29th Nov 1982.

> > >

> > > That time u were running Mars antra in

> > > > Venus MD. Mars has less power in 5th house, 7th house and

12th

> > > > house. Here Venus is karak for 7th and it has less power in

7th

> > > > house so it might show some kind of accident or operation,

> > > > especially since Sa and Ju = 5 at the same time Sa is

> transitting

> > > > over 0 points and problems coming to you are related to 1st,

> 2nd,

> > > > 3rd and 4th house matters. Peace of mind is gone and lots of

> > > > worries and unnecessary worries will be there.

> > >

> > > I was involved in an accident, my own car dragged me 100 ft on

> the

> > road

> > > after my pallu got into the door while getting down. It was

peak

> > hour

> > > traffic , at a junction in front of a bus stop- but strangely

> > traffic

> > > came to a standstill. Only after my car came back, and I got

> into

> > it

> > > everything moved- It is uncanny that nothing happened to me ,

> not

> > even

> > > scratches.It was 14th or 15th of may 2002. I have been prone to

> > > accidents, many, but never injured.

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > You have started Rahu antra now and Rahu is SD to Su and Me.

> Rahu

> > > > will be more like Mercury. Mercury has good power and is very

> > > > powerful for 4th house, 8th house, 11th house and 7th house

by

> > > > virtue of being LoD and LoE. Its weak for 5th house, 9th and

> > 12th.

> > > > So some problems in these areas of life or say stress, so it

> can

> > > > related to speculations, children, father, and pleasures.

> > >

> > > Yes, my worry is my children's education- my elder son who has

> not

> > been

> > > able to complete his graduation- due to relocation and here he

> is

> > again

> > > switched his subjects to Food tech.

> > > >

> > > > 11th v/s 12th house is showing more points for 11th than

12th

> so

> > no

> > > > stress about income as such, however 12th house points are

> less

> > so

> > > > its showing less happiness and pleasures.

> > >

> > > True.

> > > >

> > > > Regarding Marriage.

> > > >

> > > > Sa is in 5th hosue in navamsa showing full delay, Guru is

> > aspecting

> > > > Shani so moderating it, u got 1 zero in SAV. Shani is at

> 23deg19

> > > > and Sa has 0 and Sa itself is giving u blessing here.

> > > >

> > > > Considering all factors I feel marriage willl happen after

23

> > years

> > > > of age. So mars antra runs then and Mars is weak for 7th

house

> in

> > > > WS so it cant give marriage. Next antra is that of Rahu.

Rahu

> is

> > > > in House D so its very eager to give marriage.

> > > >

> > > > Rahu 1983-Sep-10 1986-Mar-30

> > >

> > > The antar is perfect.

> > > >

> > > > I feel 2nd sector will give marriage.

> > > >

> > > > Sector 2 1984-Jul-17 1985-May-23

> > > >

> > > > and strong date as per probable date finder is

> > > >

> > > > Sun and Venus 31-Aug 12-Sep

> > > >

> > > > So in 31st Aug thru 12th sept in 1984 would be my pick.

> > >

> > > I got married on 9th May 1984 - 24 years

> > > >

> > > > Then after marriage, Rahu itself can give Conception. But

here

> > > > Venus is with Mars and aspected by Rahu so its showing some

> > issues

> > > > some miscarriage or cesearean child birth.

> > >

> > > I had my first son on 1st May 1985, a normal delivery but use

of

> > forceps

> > > was there.There were two miscarriages after wards.

> > >

> > > Mars itslef is also 11th

> > > > lord and aspected by Rahu. So again showing that. 5th house

> > points

> > > > for Me are weak (Rahu) but 11th is strong. So I am getting

some

> > > > question here.

> > > > Next antra is that of Ju and that will give conception.

> > >

> > > My second son was born on 29th June 1988.

> > > >

> > > > Ok, I am out of time.

> > > > Thank you, Ash ji for the detailed,brilliant analysis. I

shall

> > use it

> > > for study.

> > >

> > > Nalini

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

, " auromirra19 "

> > > > nalini2818@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > {Om Namo Narayanaya}

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ash ji,

> > > > > Namaskar. Thanks for the reply, I have downloaded

> KAS2006.Can

> > you

> > > > > please look at my birth details, I am not sure if

> rectified,its

> > > > what

> > > > > I have all along used- as per my grandfather who was very

> > > > meticulous.

> > > > > 28th february 1960, 14.42 hrs, Madras India. I am facing

> acute

> > > > > health problems,(Saturn is transiting a zero p0int house

and

> > is on

> > > > > alert) loss of career etc.It would also be a learning

lesson

> > for

> > > > me

> > > > > if it is discussed. I shall provide any other details

> required.

> > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > Nalini

> > > > > {Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya}--- In

> > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > Yes, one more thing, I would like to add, and that is

that

> in

> > > > > order

> > > > > > to first check the accuracy of your birth time I blindly

> > based

> > > > on

> > > > > > the time of birth given, I had given your profession,

time

> of

> > > > > change

> > > > > > of job, strong periods, start of new venture, period of

> some

> > > > > stress

> > > > > > in mo antra which u said did not match, death of father

> once

> > u

> > > > > gave

> > > > > > the correct Mahadasha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is all that? All that is not just a co-incidence.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my opinion I still say that your birth time is in the

> ball

> > > > > park,

> > > > > > and again going by basic common sense, say if out of 10

> > events 8

> > > > > or

> > > > > > 9 are matching and 1 is not matching it means that

system

> is

> > > > > working

> > > > > > and for that 1 event, its the astrologer who has

overlooked

> > > > > > something or not put in enough effort. Keep aside

ayanamsa

> as

> > > > > > Krushnas Ayanamsa is proper with KAS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, it might be my error and not of KAS. But all this is

> > based

> > > > on

> > > > > > proper grounding and this theory based on which I

checked

> or

> > > > > > validated your events blindly and most of them were in

> line,

> > can

> > > > > be

> > > > > > used on ALL charts and same principals and technique.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That to me is science.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Ash

> >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My answers in CAPS below.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It seems to me that I failed to convey what I meant to

> > say. I

> > > > do

> > > > > > not have any system or rules that I propose.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ASH : IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN HOW DO U VALIDATE THAT A

> > > > > > PARTICULAR AYANAMSA WORKS OR SOMETHING DOESNT WORK? HOW

> DOES

> > > > ONE

> > > > > > VALIDATE? WHAT ARE THE GROUNDS? DOES FOR EXAMPLE IN THE

> > SYSTEM

> > > > U

> > > > > > USE SAY U SAY THAT VENUS ANTRA AS PER THE AYANASMA U USE

> > ALWYS

> > > > > GIVES

> > > > > > MARRIAGE. IF SO THEN IN ALL CHARTS OR SAY 90% OF CHARTS

AS

> > PER

> > > > > THAT

> > > > > > RULE AS PER THAT SYSTEM IT MUST WORK. WHAT I AM TRYING TO

> > > > CONVEY

> > > > > IS

> > > > > > THAT THERE ARE SOME FIXED PARAMETER. ONLY THEN THIS IS A

> > > > > SCIENCE.

> > > > > > OTHERWISE HOW DOES ON VALIDATE?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All I wanted to say is that Astakvarga teaching,

> principles

> > > > > and

> > > > > > rules as explained by Krushnaji will predict correctly

when

> > > > > applied

> > > > > > to a correct chart. If they do not apply to my chart,

then

> my

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > is wrong.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ASH : NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE HUMANS, I AM NOT

> > > > > > PERFECT. ITS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE OVERLOOKED SOME

> LAW

> > OR

> > > > > SOME

> > > > > > EXCEPTION? ITS NOT THE SYSTEM THAT IS INCORRECT BUT ME.

NOW

> > > > SAY

> > > > > IF

> > > > > > SOMEONE COMES AND GIVES THE CHART AND SAYS THAT THE TIME

IS

> > > > > > CORRECTLY RECORDED AND IS GENUINE. IF EVEN THEN THINGS

ARE

> > NOT

> > > > > > MATCHING HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING THEN IT MEANS THAT ONE

IS

> > > > > > DEFINITELY OVERLOOKING THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOT IN MY

> > EXPERIENCE

> > > > > SEEN

> > > > > > A CASE WHERE IF THE BIRTH TIME IS RIGHT THEN EVENTS DO

NOT

> > > > MATCH.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > CAN SAY THAT MOSTLY ALL EVENTS MATCH. YES THERE MIGHT BE

> SOME

> > > > > EVENT

> > > > > > THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH BUT THAT CAN BE DUE TO SOME THING

> THAT

> > ONE

> > > > > > OVERLOOKS OR HAS NOT COME ACROSS OR SOME EXCEPTION.

WHICH

> > WILL

> > > > > GET

> > > > > > SORTED OUT IN TIME. BUT FOR THAT THE BASE PARAMETER TO

> WORK

> > BY

> > > > IS

> > > > > > TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > WHY DO U THINK WE TRY TO FIRST MAKE SURE PAST EVENTS

> MATCH

> > > > OR

> > > > > > ARE IN LINE ? IT IS BECAUSE OF A BASIC THEORY AND

> PHILOSOPHY

> > WE

> > > > > > FOLLOW WHICH BEING THAT IF THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE

THEN

> > LIFE

> > > > > WILL

> > > > > > UNFOLD AS PER THE WS AND AS PER KAS WE CAN PREDICT IT

AND

> > USING

> > > > > > KRUSHNAS AYANAMSA. THE AYANAMSA IS AS PER SYSTEM AND

PART

> AND

> > > > > > PARCEL OF IT.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And my chart can be wrong for two reasons. 1.

Inaccurate

> > > > > > birthtime 2. Incorrect ayanamsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ASH: NO, NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT. AS PER KAS, YOU CAN

SAFELY

> > > > > > REMOVE THE SECOND POINT, BECAUSE AS PER KAS, KRUSHNAS

> > AYANAMSA

> > > > IS

> > > > > > ACCURATE AND PROOF OF THE PUDDING IS IN ITS EATING. TAKE

A

> > LOOK

> > > > > AT

> > > > > > THE ARCHIVES. YES, POINT NUMBER 1, ONLY YOU CAN JUDGE.

IF U

> > > > HAVE

> > > > > > FAITH IN RULES OF KAS AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THEN YOU

CAN

> > JUDGE

> > > > > > POINT 1 AND THAT TO AFTER STUDING MANY CHARTS TO GET

> > CONFIDENCE

> > > > IN

> > > > > > KAS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, HUMAN FACTOR. THAT ALSO

CANT

> BE

> > > > > > OVERLOOKED.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I WILL RE-VISIT YOUR CHART WITH THE NEW DATA YOU HAVE

> > GIVEN,

> > > > > AND

> > > > > > MAKE A SINCERE STUDY. I WILL STUDY IF KETU ANTRA IS

INDEED

> > THAT

> > > > > > GAVE U MARRIAGE, I WILL FIND OUT WHY. BY DOING THAT I

WILL

> > > > LEARN

> > > > > > MUCH MUCH MORE AND THANK U FOR SHARING YOUR CHART. :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, agreed. One should follow any system what one is

> > > > > comfortable

> > > > > > > with with his or her prefered ayanamsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you have a concrete set of rules, that u can apply,

> > based

> > > > on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > ayanamsa of your preference, then I would be curious

to

> > study

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > rules / lessons that u have used to time each event. I

> > assume

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > those rules would be global and can be applied on each

> > chart

> > > > to

> > > > > > > unfold it in a systematic manner.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you please share with me those rules or guide me

so

> > that I

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > read about it. I also take it that u will be able to

> answer

> > > > > > > questions if I get confused in grasping any of those

set

> of

> > > > > fixed

> > > > > > > rules?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please reply.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Pratap

> > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My marriage date is July 21, 1968.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I can give a couple more concrete events if that

will

> > help.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. I came to US in Jan 1967.

> > > > > > > > 2. I started my first full time job in Jan 1969.

> > > > > > > > 3. I started my second full time job on May 16, 1976.

> > > > > > > > 4. I bought my first home in June 1974.

> > > > > > > > 5. I got my bachelor's degree in engineering in June

> > 1966.

> > > > > > > > 6. I got my Master's degree in engineering in Jan

1968.

> > > > > > > > 7. I dropped out of PhD program in May 1968.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think ashtakvarga is a precise quantitative method

> that

> > > > can

> > > > > > > give accurate predictions and the principles would not

> > change

> > > > > > > regardless of what ayanamsa one uses. But then it

> depends

> > on a

> > > > > > > perfect chart which in turn depends on two factors,

> > birthdata

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > ayanamsa used. I know that Krushnaji has analyzed

> probably

> > > > > > thousands

> > > > > > > of charts to verify his preferred ayanamsa. And I do

not

> > want

> > > > to

> > > > > > > question his judgement, but to be honest, I recently

> > looked at

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > chart and dasas using Tarun Chopra's ayanamsa and so

far

> it

> > > > > seems

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > give the best fit to the events of my life. I am not

> > proposing

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > you look at my chart using any other ayanamsa, but I

> > thought I

> > > > > > > should mention what I have found.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Anyway thanks for your efforts,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > > > With the events give so far it seems to be in the

ball

> > park,

> > > > > > > > however, the correct way would be to give many

events

> of

> > > > your

> > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > and in that way a person would be able to use the

> system.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In any case, Sun antra cant give u marriage, atleast

> not

> > a

> > > > > happy

> > > > > > > > marriage. Moon can give u marriage. As per this data

> your

> > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > might have happened after 24 years.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Either Ketu gave in the very end means after your

24th

> > > > > birthday

> > > > > > > i.e

> > > > > > > > after nov 28th 1968.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ketu 1967-Oct-20 1968-Dec-19

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So it means u have 3 pdfs and only 2 falling in

proper

> > > > between

> > > > > > > 18th

> > > > > > > > nov and 19th dec. Mars is weak for 7th. So that

leaves

> > > > > Ju/Ketu.

> > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > 16th Dec thru 19th Dec.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mars and Saturn 20-Nov 2-Dec

> > > > > > > > Mars and Mercury 3-Dec 15-Dec

> > > > > > > > Jupiter and Ketu 16-Dec 28-Dec

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In my opinion, Moon can give marriage as its the

first

> > > > strong

> > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > after delay period is over.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moon 1969-Apr-07 1969-Oct-07

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You said marriage was in 1968. So depending on the

> month,

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > difference can be anywhere between 1 year 4 months.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now your fathers death is coming in 8 months range.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even the start of your new venture was falling just

in

> > the

> > > > > prior

> > > > > > > > antra. But that was 1 month off i.e. only going by

end

> of

> > > > one

> > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > and start of the other.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I took all those factors in mind befor sayin that

your

> > birth

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > in ball park.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In any case, without proper time, I cant personally

> judge

> > > > the

> > > > > > > month

> > > > > > > > but if this is the lagna then Ju and Sa and Venus

pdfs

> > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > powrful periods i.e. if u start to note down

events ,

> > many

> > > > > > events

> > > > > > > > will start to happen when sun transits these signs

and

> > > > > nakshtras.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A good exercise.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

Pratap

> > > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There is no official record of my birthtime. It is

> > > > > > approximately

> > > > > > > > as my mother remembers. It was definitely in late

> > evening.

> > > > > Then

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > was rectified by a few eminent astrologers. One

doubt

> I

> > have

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > about the time adjustment due to World War II during

my

> > > > > > birthdate.

> > > > > > > > Now that you have raised the question, I like to add

> > that my

> > > > > > > > physical characteristics are much more in line with

> > Taurus

> > > > > > > ascendant

> > > > > > > > than Gemini.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > > > > What was your original time of birth recorded? Can

> you

> > > > share

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > with us please.

> > > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ,

> Pratap

> > > > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Mishra,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > May be I should make it little easier. I got

> married

> > in

> > > > > > 1968.

> > > > > > > > > Please if you can pinpoint the month.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ramesh mishra wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap, Namaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > Did you marry in 1965 before November month.

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards.

> > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pratap Kaneria

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sure. I can give answers to your questions. My

> birth

> > > > time

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > rectified but go ahead if you want to check

further.

> My

> > > > > > answers

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > below.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Pratap,

> > > > > > > > > > Before attempting this query. Can you give some

> > events

> > > > for

> > > > > > us

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > verify your birth time.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Can you confirm the following.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1) Is your profession linked to Sa, Ju, Sun.

> > Something

> > > > to

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > soil, agriculture, oil, ju can means consultancy

or

> > > > > teaching

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > advisory role, and sun could mean management or

> > > > government

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Shani

> > > > > > > > > > can also mean people. So is your profesison

linked

> to

> > > > the

> > > > > > same.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Education: I am a chemical engineer with degrees

> from

> > > > > India

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > well as US.

> > > > > > > > > > Profession: My entire career has been in IT.

Since

> > 1986

> > > > I

> > > > > > > worked

> > > > > > > > > as a consultant. Never worked for Government.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2) Did u face more expenses during

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 thru 1999-Dec-01. Yes. Both

high

> > > > income

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > expenses.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3) Did u face some toothaches or problems from

> > > > collegues /

> > > > > > > work

> > > > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Moon 1991-May-20 1991-Dec-19 - No.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 4) Did u change jobs during or faced any health

> > issues.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - No health

> issues.

> > Yes

> > > > > > > changed

> > > > > > > > > jobs

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 5) You might hold good post if in job or might

> also

> > do

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > undertaking and business. My last consulting

> > assignment

> > > > > > ended

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > March 2004. Since then I am attempting to do my own

> > > > business.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 6) Very powerful times, here you might have

taken

> > some

> > > > big

> > > > > > > > > > undertaking or started some big project. You

also

> > might

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > travelled even overseas during this time. I

wonder

> > if u

> > > > > > might

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > started your own business during this time.

> > > > Nevertheless,

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > period is very powerful.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter 1994-Aug-31 1997-Jan-24 - Yes was

> > instrumental

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > a big drug manufacturing project started.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn 1997-Jan-24 1999-Dec-01 Worked on a very

> > > > lucrative

> > > > > > > > > consulting assignment which actually started on

Dec

> > 1996.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 7) In Shani antra might give problems to your

> father

> > > > > health

> > > > > > > wise

> > > > > > > > > > also Ju or Sa for mother. No. My father expired

in

> > Moon

> > > > > > > > mahadasha.

> > > > > > > > > Mother still lives.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you can comment on the same it will be good.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> > Pratap

> > > > > > > Kaneria

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member and following most of the

> emails

> > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > group.

> > > > > > > > > > If you need to analyze some charts with known

> data, I

> > > > > > > volunteer

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > birth data to be analyzed for marriage date.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is 18Nov1944, 20:38 (IST),

70E27,

> > 21N44.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I have been married only once. Can anyone

figure

> > out

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > date ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > With Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Pratap

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Harjeet and List Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > Very good questions indeed and good chruning

of

> > your

> > > > > > > thoughts.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I hope list members take part in a discussion

> > helping

> > > > u

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > sharing

> > > > > > > > > > > their understanding.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If there are more discussion like these, many

> > things

> > > > can

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > cleared. If there is a chart with known data to

> > > > support

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > query,

> > > > > > > > > > > even better.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please discuss each point, and in the process

so

> > many

> > > > > > things

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > get cleared.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > >

> > , " harjeet_bakshi "

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much Gita and list members for

> > detailed

> > > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > exercise,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I got to learn more here. i assumed that the

> > delay

> > > > > > caused

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > zero

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > also cancelled because of position of lord

of

> 1

> > and

> > > > 9

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 5:9...

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > its not so. great learning for me.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > i know its very stupid but still confused

> about

> > the

> > > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > saturn dealy:

> > > > > > > > > > > > e.g.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Saturn is lord of A in rasi and aspecting

> C.

> > and

> > > > > say

> > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > of B in navamsa. in this senario would

saturn

> be

> > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > > > as i

> > > > > > > > > > > > have seen A,B and C connected to saturn

> combined

> > in

> > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > navamsa. ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. and other thing... if saturn is lord of D

> or E

> > > > then

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > delay

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > modified and event would occur in the 1st

> sector

> > > > after

> > > > > > > > satrun

> > > > > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign.? so even if

> > saturn in

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > D

> > > > > > > > > > or E

> > > > > > > > > > > > the delay of saturn is still to be

considered

> > till

> > > > the

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > reaches

> > > > > > > > > > > > 0 degree of the previous sign. only the

event

> > would

> > > > > > occur

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 1st

> > > > > > > > > > > > sector itself.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. same is the thing if jupiter also aspects

> the

> > > > lord

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > A,

> > > > > > > > B

> > > > > > > > > > and C

> > > > > > > > > > > > all of them... the event occurs in the 1st

> sector

> > > > > after

> > > > > > 0

> > > > > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > > > > > previous sign thingy. ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4. the delay of saturn is altogether

cancelled

> > bring

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > age

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > marriage for male to 21 and female to 18 if

> lord

> > of

> > > > 1

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > 9

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > in 5:9 position... neither conjunction nor

> > > > opposition.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone one can tell me all the 4 points

are

> > > > > correct ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Also curious about the lord of 1 and 3 in

> 3:11

> > > > > > > > > positioning...

> > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > it count in cancelling the delay ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Check on venus by jupiter cannot function

if

> > > > > jupiter

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > libra in

> > > > > > > > > > > > rasi or navamsa. or jupiter is in saturn

sign

> or

> > > > > > nakshatra.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 7. does jupiter also checks any spoiling if

its

> > > > having

> > > > > > > > exactly

> > > > > > > > > 4

> > > > > > > > > > > > points.. as it would be neutral.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 8. when we overlap the charts and see the

> > aspects of

> > > > > > rahu,

> > > > > > > > > venus

> > > > > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > > > > for attraction ... the aspects and positons

> are

> > seen

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > bhava or

> > > > > > > > > > > > rashis or both?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > E.g. rahu in asc. in lagna of male is trine

to

> > venus

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > female

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > house. now rahu aspects 5th house...so here

> rahu

> > > > would

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > venus and hence some attraction?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gita, Bala and all,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > O-Oh, I overlooked to consider the Zero in

> SAV

> > for

> > > > > > > picking

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sector. Thanks Gita, I need to be more

> > > > > > thorough ........

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoyed reading your approach. Perfectly

> in

> > line.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > >

> , " kaslearner "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Ash, Manoshi, Ramesh,

Harjeet,

> > Xavier

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > others,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my detailed analysis:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is Jupiter delay in Navamsa.

Jupiter

> > delay

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > nullified

> > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 1 and lord of 9 being in 5:9 placement

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Native completes 21 years in July 1987

> when

> > he

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > running

> > > > > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon antra is powerful with 18 points

and

> > could

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but there is a zero in SAV table. So I

> > > > considered

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > additional

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10%

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This delay ends somewhere around July

1989

> > when

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since there are many indications of

unhappy

> > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered sun antra too as pointed out

by

> > Ramesh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Sun is in 6th house which is 12th

from

> > house

> > > > > 7.

> > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > sun

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > debilated and also doesn't have enough

> power

> > for

> > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next antra Jupiter is LoE and has

good

> > > > points

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I chose this antra for marriage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a zero in the SAV pushed the

> marriage

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > second

> > > > > > > > > > > antra.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope my analysis is in line.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the chart Bala.

> Thanks

> > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > wishes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gita

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > >

, " ashsam73 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, Gita, Manoshi, Ramesh and

> Xavier

> > > > and

> > > > > > List

> > > > > > > > > > Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala, thank you for posting this

puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to Gita for her perfect

> analysis.

> > > > Gita

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > nice

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read how u approach the chart and came

> to

> > the

> > > > > > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a good learning experience

> for

> > many.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratz to all who have attempted

this

> > puzzle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ash

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > ,

> > > > > > > bala

> > > > > > > > > > sosale

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is actual date of Marriage.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 18th Feb 1992 happens to be in

> Ra/Jupiter

> > > > > antra

> > > > > > 2

> > > > > > > > > > > PDF

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Gita for getting the

> correct

> > > > antra

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sector.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to Ash, Manoshi and Harjeet

> for

> > > > > getting

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > antra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right. I think Harjeet changed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period later.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Xavier and Ramesh for

trying

> > this.

> > > > > > Hope

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > miss any other names who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > participated.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please post your analysis so others

can

> > > > learn

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To continue further analysis on this

> > chart

> > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > > > analyse

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the following.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Child birth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. What is the current problem area

> for

> > this

> > > > > > > Native?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bala

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get amazing travel prices for air

and

> > hotel

> > > > in

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > click

> > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have

> > been

> > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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