Guest guest Report post Posted January 23, 2008 more of a loaf, wouldn't you say? a polyhedron shaped tofurkey would certainly be interestin! yarrow Jan 23, 2008 10:57 AM Re: Re: Taco changes Isn't that what tofurkey is? [ducking and running] At 8:02 AM -0800 1/23/08, fraggle wrote: thats it...i'm designing a bucky ball shaped vegan main course..... Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Confucius Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 23, 2008 did you have to walk up hill to skool as well? 6 miles... both ways,,,, in the snow..... ????? hee hee Me..? I grew up not eating fish, and only having the cheapest bits of animal rarely because we didnt have much money ( and being forced to eat). Add to that that my father was a milkman, and I used to have to deliver the stuff every day, going home smelling of stale milk, meant that I rarely did dairy either, maybe thats why I have always been skinny! tch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un Recent Activity 3 New MembersVisit Your Group Ads on Learn more now. Reach customers searching for you. Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. Dog Groups on Share pictures & stories about dogs. .. Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Confucius Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 23, 2008 nice one....... Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Wednesday, 23 January, 2008 8:37:13 PMRe: Re: Taco changes did you have to walk up hill to skool as well? 6 miles... both ways,,,, in the snow..... ????? hee hee Me..? I grew up not eating fish, and only having the cheapest bits of animal rarely because we didnt have much money ( and being forced to eat). Add to that that my father was a milkman, and I used to have to deliver the stuff every day, going home smelling of stale milk, meant that I rarely did dairy either, maybe thats why I have always been skinny! tch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un Recent Activity 3 New MembersVisit Your Group Ads on Learn more now. Reach customers searching for you. Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. Dog Groups on Share pictures & stories about dogs. .. Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Confucius Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 23, 2008 Hi Jo> I'm sure that's a good idea :-) (if I knew what bucky ball was!)A Bucky Ball is an incredibly complicated mathematical shape - named after it's creators - it's full title is the " Buckminster Fuller Ball " . As I'm not an expert in maths I don't think I can do any more than say it's very complex, and mathematicians get very excited about them! BBPeter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 23, 2008 Hi Peter> There you go, you admit you like the taste/texture of dead flesh, at least you are honest! A lot of vegans get upset and deny it, glad> you`ve some integrity.See, this surprises me, because I don't see anything wrong in enjoying the flavour. What I see as wrong is satisfying that enjoyment! > I am not going to go into semantics and argue about the shape of suasages, that would be a silly waste of time and an insult to> everyones intelligence. We al know that suasages traditionally contained meat, and fish fingers contained fish, I just think that whilst > they are good for vegetarians trying to follow a transition from flesh whilst their palates adjust, I think that manufacturers should show a> little more imagination to encourage vegans to buy their food, burgers and suasages? come on its the easy option. Well, technically speaking, surely a sausage is trying to look like a carrot or parsnip, isn't it? And aren't burgers designed to look like slices of turnip? Haggis is clearly trying to be a potato analogue. I could go on.... BBPeter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 23, 2008 "Well, technically speaking, surely a sausage is trying to look like a carrot or parsnip, isn't it? And aren't burgers designed to look like slices of turnip? Haggis is clearly trying to be a potato analogue. I could go on.... " Pure conjecture and a personal interperetation. Personally I would have said carrots were pointy at one end and orange, suasages flesh coloured and more like a chubby finger. Burgers like slices of turnip? cant see it myself. stomach of a sheep filled with oats and entrails and other organs mimicing a potato? its traditionally served with turnips and potatoes,?surely not trying to be them? I suppose we all see things differently? thats what makes the world so interesting? Peter H Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 24, 2008 >>>> My point is , if you like the taste,texture of animal flesh, then you like the taste and texture of flesh. I cant think of any other way of putting it. My mindset is just that. <<<< You should certainly keep your mindset and I think it's a fine one. It's not an issue for me, though. I know that no animal was killed to make my veganburger, and no cow is burping out the greenhouse gases to make my vegan rice cheez slices. That pretty much covers it for me. I love my pleather boots, too, even though I can't tell them from leather. The knowledge of their reality is enough for me. Cheers, Trish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 24, 2008 It is not dead flesh analogue - dead flesh analogue would have dead flesh in it! Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > There you go, you admit you like the taste/texture of dead flesh, at least you are honest! A lot of vegans get upset and deny it, glad you`ve some integrity. > Its just something that I choose not to associate with because of what it is........dead flesh analogue. > Me..? I grew up not eating fish, and only having the cheapest bits of animal rarely because we didnt have much money ( and being forced to eat). Add to that that my father was a milkman, and I used to have to deliver the stuff every day, going home smelling of stale milk, meant that I rarely did dairy either, maybe thats why I have always been skinny! > I am not going to go into semantics and argue about the shape of suasages, that would be a silly waste of time and an insult to everyones intelligence. We al know that suasages traditionally contained meat, and fish fingers contained fish, I just think that whilst they are good for vegetarians trying to follow a transition from flesh whilst their palates adjust, I think that manufacturers should show a little more imagination to encourage vegans to buy their food, burgers and suasages? come on its the easy option. > > Peter H > > > > > > metalscarab <metalscarab > > Wednesday, 23 January, 2008 9:29:59 AM > Re: Re: Taco changes > >  > Hi Peter > > > My point is , if you like the taste,texture of animal flesh, then you like the taste and texture of flesh. > > Exactly my point.... quite a lot of vegans (myself included) actually do like the taste and texture of animal flesh. I choose not to eat it because I believe it is unethical to do so. Doesn't stop me acknowledging the fact that it actually tastes quite good. As a result, anything which comes close to being able to mimic that taste and texture, but in an ethical way, is something that I am delighted to be able to get hold of! > > As to the shapes - when did you last see a sausage or a beefburger running around a field? There are a few basically sensible shapes in which to put food. Just because there were meat versions before vegan versions doesn't mean that we should strive to avoid those shapes. After all, if you don't go for tubular / finger / rectangular / flat, you're going to be wasting a lot of packaging on dodecahedron shaped food! > > BB > Peter > > > > _________ > Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it > now. > http://uk.answers./ > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 24, 2008 I am not over-reacting, just answering your post. You said you couldn't alter your mindset, which you must admit is your problem - nobody elses. Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > Hang on Jo, your over reacting here to an innocent post. Not a campaign, just explaining the way my mind works. I wont post again on the subject as it is obviously something you feel very strong about for whatever reason. > Each to his or he own, whether it be flesh, mock flesh or non flesh. > Peter H > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork > > Wednesday, 23 January, 2008 7:38:13 AM > Re: Taco changes > > Surely that's your problem then - not a good reason to campaign > against a vegan food that you don't personally like. > > Jo > > @gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01@ > wrote: > > > > Must be a mindset thing then? I just cant dissasociate the taste of > a living animal with cruelty? > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > > > jo <jo.heartwork@ ...> > > @gro ups.com > > Tuesday, 22 January, 2008 12:17:54 AM > > Re: Re: Taco changes > > > >  > > That's a very good point actually, Peter. I was brought up on fish > and really loved it. I'm not doing any harm by eating something that > tastes similar. > > > > BB > > Jo > > - > > metalscarab > > @gro ups.com > > Monday, January 21, 2008 11:19 PM > > Re: Re: Taco changes > > > > > >  > > Hi Peter > > > > > Certainly do, it doesnt pretend to be anything other than tofu!, > it isnt in a form of a fish finger, a lamb chop, or cow flavoured! > > > > I just don't understand what's wrong with something being fish or > cow flavoured. Personally, I used to love the taste of fish and cow, > and although they haven't got the tastes quite right yet, I'm very > grateful that I can enjoy something approaching the taste without > having to go against my ethics. > > > > BB > > Peter > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the > answer. Try it > > now. > > http://uk.answers. / > _________ > Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it > now. > http://uk.answers./ > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 24, 2008 Re: Re: Taco changes Ah thanks - I was aware of carbon allotropes and carbon nanotubes, not familiar with bucky ball though :-) Jo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucky_ball jo Jan 23, 2008 10:06 AM Re: Re: Taco changes  I'm sure that's a good idea :-) (if I knew what bucky ball was!) Jo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 24, 2008 Or live in a paper bag ..... Jo Re: Re: Taco changes did you have to walk up hill to skool as well? 6 miles... both ways,,,, in the snow..... ????? hee hee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 24, 2008 Thanks Peter Having worked in the maths department I know that the Buckminster Fuller Ball must be quite something, as mathematicians hardly ever seem to get excited about anything! :-) Jo , " Peter Kebbell " <metalscarab wrote: > > Hi Jo > > > I'm sure that's a good idea :-) (if I knew what bucky ball was!) > > A Bucky Ball is an incredibly complicated mathematical shape - named after > it's creators - it's full title is the " Buckminster Fuller Ball " . As I'm not > an expert in maths I don't think I can do any more than say it's very > complex, and mathematicians get very excited about them! > > BB > Peter > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 24, 2008 I find the idea of not being able to dissasociate one item from another very strange really. It would be like saying that you would never have another girl/boyfriend because you once met someone really nasty - afterall, they look similar - people-shaped. Jo , " Peter Kebbell " <metalscarab wrote: > > Hi Peter > > > There you go, you admit you like the taste/texture of dead flesh, at least > you are honest! A lot of vegans get upset and deny it, glad > > you`ve some integrity. > > See, this surprises me, because I don't see anything wrong in enjoying the > flavour. What I see as wrong is satisfying that enjoyment! > > > I am not going to go into semantics and argue about the shape of suasages, > that would be a silly waste of time and an insult to > > everyones intelligence. We al know that suasages traditionally contained > meat, and fish fingers contained fish, I just think that whilst > > they are good for vegetarians trying to follow a transition from flesh > whilst their palates adjust, I think that manufacturers should show a > > little more imagination to encourage vegans to buy their food, burgers and > suasages? come on its the easy option. > > Well, technically speaking, surely a sausage is trying to look like a carrot > or parsnip, isn't it? And aren't burgers designed to look like slices of > turnip? Haggis is clearly trying to be a potato analogue. I could go on.... > > BB > Peter > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 24, 2008 Hi Trish I do agree with what you say. It is brilliant that there are now materials that look like leather, for shoes, bags, belts and coats etc. As long as the product/food is animal free it is fine. Jo , Trish Carr <bantrymoon wrote: > > >>>> My point is , if you like the taste,texture of animal flesh, then > you like the taste and texture of flesh. I cant think of any other way > of putting it. My mindset is just that. <<<< > > You should certainly keep your mindset and I think it's a fine one. It's > not an issue for me, though. I know that no animal was killed to make my > veganburger, and no cow is burping out the greenhouse gases to make my > vegan rice cheez slices. That pretty much covers it for me. I love my > pleather boots, too, even though I can't tell them from leather. The > knowledge of their reality is enough for me. > > Cheers, > > Trish > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 24, 2008  Hi Peter The point I'm making is that most foods are basically the same few basic shapes. Just because something is long and round, doesn't make it meat - or necessarily bad. It just seems like a very bizarre thing to campaign against a food because of the shape it's in, rather than what it contains! BB Peter - Peter VV Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:14 PM Re: Re: Taco changes "Well, technically speaking, surely a sausage is trying to look like a carrot or parsnip, isn't it? And aren't burgers designed to look like slices of turnip? Haggis is clearly trying to be a potato analogue. I could go on.... " Pure conjecture and a personal interperetation. Personally I would have said carrots were pointy at one end and orange, suasages flesh coloured and more like a chubby finger. Burgers like slices of turnip? cant see it myself. stomach of a sheep filled with oats and entrails and other organs mimicing a potato? its traditionally served with turnips and potatoes,?surely not trying to be them? I suppose we all see things differently? thats what makes the world so interesting? Peter H Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 24, 2008 >>>> A Bucky Ball is an incredibly complicated mathematical shape - named after it's creators - it's full title is the " Buckminster Fuller Ball " . As I'm not an expert in maths I don't think I can do any more than say it's very complex, and mathematicians get very excited about them! <<<< It's a structure of carbon atoms. It looks like a sphere of a geodesic dome, invented by Buckminster Fuller, and was named a " bucky ball " in his honor. That's about all I know about it -- I only minored in chem. My majors were biology and economics. I'm no expert, but I think that's correct. Cheers, Trish in Portland, OR Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 24, 2008 paper? you had paper? we had to make our own paper, by chopping down trees..but we lived in a desert and there weren't any, so we had to walk 80 miles..uphill, both ways...cut down the tree with our bare hands, as we couldn't afford an ax, drag it back, and chew it up, but we had sold our teeth, so had to use our gums.... heartwerk Jan 23, 2008 11:43 PM Re: Taco changes Or live in a paper bag .....JoRe: Re: Taco changes did you have to walk up hill to skool as well?6 miles...both ways,,,,in the snow.....?????hee hee Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Confucius Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 24, 2008  Hi Fraggle > we had to make our own paper, by chopping down trees..but we lived in a desert and there weren't any, so we had to walk 80 miles..uphill, both ways...cut down the tree with our > bare hands, as we couldn't afford an ax, drag it back, and chew it up, but we had sold our teeth, so had to use our gums.... You had gums? How lucky can you get. When I was a kid, our gums were confiscated by the government, and we had to make do with just half a jaw bone.... BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 24, 2008 you had bones? back in my day you had to create a skeleton out of discarded cardboard and cathode ray tubes metalscarab Jan 24, 2008 8:39 AM Re: Re: Taco changes  Hi Fraggle > we had to make our own paper, by chopping down trees..but we lived in a desert and there weren't any, so we had to walk 80 miles..uphill, both ways...cut down the tree with our > bare hands, as we couldn't afford an ax, drag it back, and chew it up, but we had sold our teeth, so had to use our gums.... You had gums? How lucky can you get. When I was a kid, our gums were confiscated by the government, and we had to make do with just half a jaw bone.... BB Peter Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Confucius Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 24, 2008  Well, I say bones, but really more bits of discarded banana skin held together with puddle water. I can't imagine the delight you must have had at finding a bit of cardboard or a cathode ray tube. Such things were in short supply in my neighbourhood! BB Peter - fraggle Thursday, January 24, 2008 5:50 PM Re: Re: Taco changes you had bones? back in my day you had to create a skeleton out of discarded cardboard and cathode ray tubes metalscarab Jan 24, 2008 8:39 AM Re: Re: Taco changes  Hi Fraggle > we had to make our own paper, by chopping down trees..but we lived in a desert and there weren't any, so we had to walk 80 miles..uphill, both ways...cut down the tree with our > bare hands, as we couldn't afford an ax, drag it back, and chew it up, but we had sold our teeth, so had to use our gums.... You had gums? How lucky can you get. When I was a kid, our gums were confiscated by the government, and we had to make do with just half a jaw bone.... BB Peter Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Confucius Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 24, 2008  LOL - you win - can't beat that :-) Jo - fraggle Thursday, January 24, 2008 4:25 PM Re: Re: Taco changes paper? you had paper? we had to make our own paper, by chopping down trees..but we lived in a desert and there weren't any, so we had to walk 80 miles..uphill, both ways...cut down the tree with our bare hands, as we couldn't afford an ax, drag it back, and chew it up, but we had sold our teeth, so had to use our gums.... heartwerk Jan 23, 2008 11:43 PM Re: Taco changes Or live in a paper bag .....JoRe: Re: Taco changes did you have to walk up hill to skool as well?6 miles...both ways,,,,in the snow.....?????hee hee Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Confucius Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 24, 2008  LOL - and there's me thinking there wasn't anywhere to go with this :-) BBJo - metalscarab Thursday, January 24, 2008 4:39 PM Re: Re: Taco changes  Hi Fraggle > we had to make our own paper, by chopping down trees..but we lived in a desert and there weren't any, so we had to walk 80 miles..uphill, both ways...cut down the tree with our > bare hands, as we couldn't afford an ax, drag it back, and chew it up, but we had sold our teeth, so had to use our gums.... You had gums? How lucky can you get. When I was a kid, our gums were confiscated by the government, and we had to make do with just half a jaw bone.... BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 24, 2008 As I have said previously, I am not on a campaign, crowing or whatever else. Just explaining my mindset, my associations with imitations of dead flesh. I am sorry you interperated my mails that way. As I have also said we all see things differently, thats what makes the world so interesting. Peter H metalscarab <metalscarab Sent: Thursday, 24 January, 2008 9:12:05 AMRe: Re: Taco changes  Hi Peter The point I'm making is that most foods are basically the same few basic shapes. Just because something is long and round, doesn't make it meat - or necessarily bad. It just seems like a very bizarre thing to campaign against a food because of the shape it's in, rather than what it contains! BB Peter - Peter VV @gro ups.com Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:14 PM Re: Re: Taco changes "Well, technically speaking, surely a sausage is trying to look like a carrot or parsnip, isn't it? And aren't burgers designed to look like slices of turnip? Haggis is clearly trying to be a potato analogue. I could go on.... " Pure conjecture and a personal interperetation. Personally I would have said carrots were pointy at one end and orange, suasages flesh coloured and more like a chubby finger. Burgers like slices of turnip? cant see it myself. stomach of a sheep filled with oats and entrails and other organs mimicing a potato? its traditionally served with turnips and potatoes,?surely not trying to be them? I suppose we all see things differently? thats what makes the world so interesting? Peter H Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Sent from - a smarter inbox. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 24, 2008 Well............now you mention it, ther probably are people who have been abused or raped and put off relations with the opposite sex? I suppose it depends how deep;ly you feel about something., or how deeply you are moved by something? To you enjoying the taste of meat and the texture of flesh may be o.k., to me I would rather not be reminded of animal cruelty, as thats what I associate with it. Wheras the multitude of veg,fruit,nuts,grains etc reinforces my lifestyle choices. Maybe your right, maybe I am strange?...but just maybe your not? Peter H heartwerk <jo.heartwork Sent: Thursday, 24 January, 2008 7:47:39 AM Re: Taco changes I find the idea of not being able to dissasociate one item from another very strange really. It would be like saying that you would never have another girl/boyfriend because you once met someone really nasty - afterall, they look similar - people-shaped.Jo@gro ups.com, "Peter Kebbell" <metalscarab@ ...> wrote:>> Hi Peter> > > There you go, you admit you like the taste/texture of dead flesh, at least> you are honest! A lot of vegans get upset and deny it, glad> > you`ve some integrity.> > See, this surprises me, because I don't see anything wrong in enjoying the> flavour. What I see as wrong is satisfying that enjoyment!> > > I am not going to go into semantics and argue about the shape of suasages,> that would be a silly waste of time and an insult to> > everyones intelligence. We al know that suasages traditionally contained> meat, and fish fingers contained fish, I just think that whilst> > they are good for vegetarians trying to follow a transition from flesh> whilst their palates adjust, I think that manufacturers should show a> > little more imagination to encourage vegans to buy their food, burgers and> suasages? come on its the easy option.> > Well, technically speaking, surely a sausage is trying to look like a carrot> or parsnip, isn't it? And aren't burgers designed to look like slices of> turnip? Haggis is clearly trying to be a potato analogue. I could go on....> > BB> Peter> Sent from - a smarter inbox. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 24, 2008 Thanks for the english lesson, imitation dead flesh any better? Peter H heartwerk <jo.heartwork Sent: Thursday, 24 January, 2008 7:37:38 AM Re: Taco changes It is not dead flesh analogue - dead flesh analogue would have dead flesh in it! Jo@gro ups.com, Peter VV <swpgh01 > wrote:>> There you go, you admit you like the taste/texture of dead flesh, at least you are honest! A lot of vegans get upset and deny it, glad you`ve some integrity.> Its just something that I choose not to associate with because of what it is........dead flesh analogue.> Me..? I grew up not eating fish, and only having the cheapest bits of animal rarely because we didnt have much money ( and being forced to eat). Add to that that my father was a milkman, and I used to have to deliver the stuff every day, going home smelling of stale milk, meant that I rarely did dairy either, maybe thats why I have always been skinny!> I am not going to go into semantics and argue about the shape of suasages, that would be a silly waste of time and an insult to everyones intelligence. We al know that suasages traditionally contained meat, and fish fingers contained fish, I just think that whilst they are good for vegetarians trying to follow a transition from flesh whilst their palates adjust, I think that manufacturers should show a little more imagination to encourage vegans to buy their food, burgers and suasages? come on its the easy option.> > Peter H > > > > > > metalscarab <metalscarab@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, 23 January, 2008 9:29:59 AM> Re: Re: Taco changes> >  > Hi Peter> > > My point is , if you like the taste,texture of animal flesh, then you like the taste and texture of flesh.> > Exactly my point.... quite a lot of vegans (myself included) actually do like the taste and texture of animal flesh. I choose not to eat it because I believe it is unethical to do so. Doesn't stop me acknowledging the fact that it actually tastes quite good. As a result, anything which comes close to being able to mimic that taste and texture, but in an ethical way, is something that I am delighted to be able to get hold of!> > As to the shapes - when did you last see a sausage or a beefburger running around a field? There are a few basically sensible shapes in which to put food. Just because there were meat versions before vegan versions doesn't mean that we should strive to avoid those shapes. After all, if you don't go for tubular / finger / rectangular / flat, you're going to be wasting a lot of packaging on dodecahedron shaped food!> > BB> Peter> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it> now.> http://uk.answers. /> Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with for Good Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
