Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 boys and we are a veg family except for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their children immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. for his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get feed back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get check ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away my $25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from shots for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't stop thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Please go to the National Information Vaccination Center's web site for invaluable information before you have your children vaccinated. www.nvic.org - najjafamily03 Friday, March 09, 2007 11:19 AM kids shots Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 boys and we are a veg family except for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their children immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. for his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get feed back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get check ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away my $25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from shots for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't stop thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 We're not doing them the way the doctor tells us to. We have lately started getting all the ones we can individually, a month apart... we actually learned this from our dogs!! Vaccines can be a great thing but whoever thought up combination vaccines is an idiot. The immune system gets sent all out of whack, whether there are outward signs or not, at every vaccine. If the immune system has time to deal with one before having to deal with another, it's much better in my opinion. Stuff like the chicken pox vaccine... forget it!! Silly little things like that are just like dogs getting a kennel cough vaccine. It's pointless. Just do what you feel comfortable with, and if the doctor doesn't like it, they're not the parent!! You are!! najjafamily03 <najjafamily03 wrote: Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 boys and we are a veg family except for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their children immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. for his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get feed back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get check ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away my $25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from shots for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't stop thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! Thanks Kadee Sedtal Brain: " Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? " Pinky: " I think so, Brain, but if the plural of mouse is mice, wouldn't the plural of spouse be spice? " Check out my new , Classical 2 at http://launch.classical2/ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Our family feels the risks of immunizations outweigh the risks of not immunizing. Another good source in additon to the best source NVIC is www.mothering.com. Do a find on immunizations. They've had some really great articles in the past issues. najjafamily03 <najjafamily03 wrote: Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 boys and we are a veg family except for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their children immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. for his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get feed back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get check ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away my $25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from shots for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't stop thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! Thanks " The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. " Gandhi " Each man is haunted until his humanity awakens " Blake " Sit down before fact like a little child, and be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss Nature leads, or you shall learn nothing. " T.H. Huxley Don't be flakey. Get Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 ps. although your decision should be an individual decision based off of your own experiences and research.... najjafamily03 <najjafamily03 wrote: Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 boys and we are a veg family except for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their children immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. for his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get feed back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get check ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away my $25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from shots for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't stop thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! Thanks " The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. " Gandhi " Each man is haunted until his humanity awakens " Blake " Sit down before fact like a little child, and be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abyss Nature leads, or you shall learn nothing. " T.H. Huxley Don't be flakey. Get Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 we don't vaccinate (calling it an immunization is really a misnomer). i will take it on an individual basis with my children but thus far with our two we have not. i'm not " anti " -vax, it just hasn't seemed appropriate for our children. other parents choose to vax and i support that decision. the vax issue was a very difficult one for us as i'm sure it is for everyone who dares to question the " requirements. " it's very hard to get unbiased info on either side of the aisle. too often, those who support it consider vaxes to have saved the western world and consider choosing against vaxing tantamount to child abuse, while too many people opposing it think they are destroying the western world and consider vaxes the equvalent of their children being poisoned by the gov't. IMO, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. the only semi-balanced look at this i have ever seen is from aviva jill romm, who wrote " thoughtful parent's guide to vaccinations: the risks, benefits and alternatives. " she gives excellent information about how the immune system works, the history and politics of vaxes, pros and cons of each vax individually, and ways to naturally strengthen the system. one important thing to realize is that vaxing does not have to be all or nothing. some parents do only some vaccinations but not others, some do all but delay, some make sure each is given individually in separate visits and check the packaging to make sure there is no thimerosol, etc. there are lots of options. one thing i recommend is going to the CDC website and looking at the package inserts for each vax online (last i heard you can still do that - if not you can get it from your doctor). the ingredient list alone would, IMO, make anyone pause when considering vaxing (formaldehyde, monkey embryos, etc.). as for check-ups, i can tell you the #1 reason they insist on that is to get you in on schedule for shots. the CDC has said very explicitly that the most important element of the " check-up " is really to check up on the parent and ensure that the doctor is gaining " compliance " (yes, they use that word). we have not taken our children in for check-ups since my first child was 3 months old. any parent can do a standard child check-up, even without a medical license! it's easy as pie and probably better because you already know what it normal for your child. as a student midwife i'm well-versed in the newborn exam so i do those on my own but they would be very easy for any parent to do who made an effort to inform him/herself. chandelle' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 plus, getting them all at once, if you have an adverse reaction, there's no way to know which one it was and avoid it in the future. On 3/9/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > > We're not doing them the way the doctor tells us to. We have lately > started getting all the ones we can individually, a month apart... we > actually learned this from our dogs!! Vaccines can be a great thing but > whoever thought up combination vaccines is an idiot. The immune system gets > sent all out of whack, whether there are outward signs or not, at every > vaccine. If the immune system has time to deal with one before having to > deal with another, it's much better in my opinion. Stuff like the chicken > pox vaccine... forget it!! Silly little things like that are just like dogs > getting a kennel cough vaccine. It's pointless. Just do what you feel > comfortable with, and if the doctor doesn't like it, they're not the > parent!! You are!! > > najjafamily03 <najjafamily03 > wrote: Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 > boys and we are a veg family except > for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My > question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their children > immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. for > his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really > don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise > decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get feed > back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have > insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get check > ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away my > $25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that > before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school > records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from shots > for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't stop > thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! > > Thanks Kadee Sedtal > > Brain: " Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? " > Pinky: " I think so, Brain, but if the plural of mouse is mice, wouldn't > the plural of spouse be spice? " > > > Check out my new , Classical 2 at > http://launch.classical2/ > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 We don't vaccinate. There are some great discussions and links to resources at mothering.com in the discussions forum, " vaccinations " . You're right, well baby visits are just for vaccinations. I don't need to pay someone to tell me that my baby is well. > " najjafamily03 " <najjafamily03 > > > kids shots >Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:19:15 -0000 > >Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 boys and we are a veg family except >for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My >question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their children >immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. for >his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really >don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise >decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get feed >back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have >insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get check >ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away my >$25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that >before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school >records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from shots >for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't stop >thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! > >Thanks > _______________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 wow, i'm so surprised there are lots of other people on this group who don't vax! usually i get blasted for it. i was sort of preparing for an attack. On 3/9/07, Leah Little <leahrlittle wrote: > > We don't vaccinate. There are some great discussions and links to > resources > at mothering.com in the discussions forum, " vaccinations " . You're right, > well baby visits are just for vaccinations. I don't need to pay someone > to > tell me that my baby is well. > > > > " najjafamily03 " <najjafamily03 > > > > > > kids shots > >Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:19:15 -0000 > > > >Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 boys and we are a veg family except > >for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My > >question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their children > >immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. for > >his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really > >don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise > >decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get feed > >back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have > >insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get check > >ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away my > >$25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that > >before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school > >records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from shots > >for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't stop > >thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! > > > >Thanks > > > > _______________ > Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office > Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health > professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 I am SOOOO with you!!! My daughter is 9 months old. Before she was born I said I wouldn't vaccinate. Somehow I was " scared " into it by " them " up to this point she has all her shots but everytime we go in, it turns my stomach!!! I wonder, will she get sick, get paralyzed, autism or the worst, die from a reaction.I am right smack dab ON the fence, I am scared to vax but I'm scared not to. My head spins when I start to think about it. I feel horrible that I seemingly can't make this decision! I WAS able to stand up to the ped about one vax. Since my daughter was a preemie they wanted to give her Synagis, for RSV. They told me if she got RSV that she would probably die because she was a preemie. She had NO complications, just born early. Doc wanted to give her this vax (a live virus) on a monthly basis for 6 MONTHS!!!! I told him that she has a better chance of getting sick if you are GIVING HER THE VIRUS than picking it up off the street. Which btw my daughter is at home with me all the time, and never has contact with other children (for now). Oh, the looks I got and the third degree in questions!!! I felt good though. BUT, I still fel like total CRAP that I can't decide on the rest of them!I too, would like others personal experience with this topic. THANK YOU!!! So,so, much! Stephanie , " Leah Little " <leahrlittle wrote: > > We don't vaccinate. There are some great discussions and links to resources > at mothering.com in the discussions forum, " vaccinations " . You're right, > well baby visits are just for vaccinations. I don't need to pay someone to > tell me that my baby is well. > > > > " najjafamily03 " <najjafamily03 > > > > > > kids shots > >Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:19:15 -0000 > > > >Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 boys and we are a veg family except > >for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My > >question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their children > >immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. for > >his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really > >don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise > >decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get feed > >back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have > >insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get check > >ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away my > >$25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that > >before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school > >records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from shots > >for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't stop > >thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! > > > >Thanks > > > > _______________ > Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office > Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 My son had allergic reactions to shots twice! The doctors kept telling me it was something he ate, ear infection, ect! He also has an allergy to egg which is the base of some of the shots, but the standard is the risks out weigh the benefit. Very frustrating! Now I will only do 1 shot at a time with my child and have declined any shots which contain egg. I live in Atlanta and the chicken pox shot is rolled into the MMR shot. It is required here for schools. I have already declined the new version once and will decline it again. The problem is here you can't get the plain shot or at least that is what I have been told. Kadee - Do you do one combination shot at a time or each part at a time? Tanya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 This was a HUGE consideration for us. Our doctor (family practice) was very supportive of opting out and encouraged us to do plenty of research. An article by Dr. Andrew Weil convinced me to go with most vaccines, but to have them special-ordered without the heavy metal preservatives. The truth is that we live in a world where our children are not protected by " herd immunity " . Polio (and other horrid diseases) still exists in many parts of the world and could be reintroduced to the US by just one person. We absolutely skipped the chicken pox vaccine; when my daughter had chicken pox I tried to organize a chicken pox party (like we had in the sixties), but couldn't find any takers. najjafamily03 <najjafamily03 wrote: Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 boys and we are a veg family except for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their children immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. for his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get feed back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get check ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away my $25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from shots for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't stop thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! Thanks Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Just realize that YOU are the parent here. Doctors are taught about the generic child. They know how to vaccinate a generic child, what to feed a generic child, and everything everything everything about the generic child. Your child is not a generic child! She is YOUR child, and YOU are her parent. Her doctor can make all the suggestions in the world but once you've done your research and you know what you want done, that is YOUR decision, not the doctor's. If the doctor has the power over you to tell you which vaccines to give, he/she might soon feel that he/she has the power to tell you what to feed your child, and make other parenting decisions. Be decisive. Do your research, find out exactly what you want and what you don't want, and go in there armed with all the knowledge you can find. When it comes time for them to get the needles out, you tell them which, if any, you want given, and you don't have to explain a thing. YOU know why you do or don't want them, and that is all that matters. If they ask, tell them " Because I'm the mom, and I say so. " If they argue... tell them to go screw themselves. I can't stand it when doctors try to push their generic practices onto me and my kids. Rrrrrghhhhhh!!!! Stephanie <stargazerlily72 wrote: I am SOOOO with you!!! My daughter is 9 months old. Before she was born I said I wouldn't vaccinate. Somehow I was " scared " into it by " them " up to this point she has all her shots but everytime we go in, it turns my stomach!!! I wonder, will she get sick, get paralyzed, autism or the worst, die from a reaction.I am right smack dab ON the fence, I am scared to vax but I'm scared not to. My head spins when I start to think about it. I feel horrible that I seemingly can't make this decision! I WAS able to stand up to the ped about one vax. Since my daughter was a preemie they wanted to give her Synagis, for RSV. They told me if she got RSV that she would probably die because she was a preemie. She had NO complications, just born early. Doc wanted to give her this vax (a live virus) on a monthly basis for 6 MONTHS!!!! I told him that she has a better chance of getting sick if you are GIVING HER THE VIRUS than picking it up off the street. Which btw my daughter is at home with me all the time, and never has contact with other children (for now). Oh, the looks I got and the third degree in questions!!! I felt good though. BUT, I still fel like total CRAP that I can't decide on the rest of them!I too, would like others personal experience with this topic. THANK YOU!!! So,so, much! Stephanie , " Leah Little " <leahrlittle wrote: > > We don't vaccinate. There are some great discussions and links to resources > at mothering.com in the discussions forum, " vaccinations " . You're right, > well baby visits are just for vaccinations. I don't need to pay someone to > tell me that my baby is well. > > > > " najjafamily03 " <najjafamily03 > > > > > > kids shots > >Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:19:15 -0000 > > > >Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 boys and we are a veg family except > >for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My > >question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their children > >immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. for > >his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really > >don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise > >decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get feed > >back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have > >insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get check > >ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away my > >$25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that > >before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school > >records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from shots > >for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't stop > >thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! > > > >Thanks > > > > ________ > Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office > Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > Kadee Sedtal Brain: " Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? " Pinky: " I think so, Brain, but if the plural of mouse is mice, wouldn't the plural of spouse be spice? " Check out my new , Classical 2 at http://launch.classical2/ Don't be flakey. Get Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 we slesctively vax. I waited until they were two to do any, then chose dtap, since I wanted pertussis and tetanus, both which are unavailable except as a group shot. my 4 yr old has just received his second polio shot as well. Now, selectively vaxing can also open up a hotbed of schooling issues, since an exemption is usually not allowed if you are picking and choosing. (except for the fetal tissue/catholic ones). Afriend of mine was denied an religious exeption for selectively vaxing (since she had already done some, she couldn't be against them). I live in NJ where medical exemptions are hard to get, and philosophical exemptions do not exist. Anyway, the short version is: we were planning on homeschooling anyway, so I knew I could pick and choose, but you may want to consider if you're trying for exemptions. - Kadee M<abbey_road3012 < > Friday, March 09, 2007 4:02 PM Re: kids shots Remember we're all weirdos too. chandelle' <earthmother213<earthmother213> wrote: wow, i'm so surprised there are lots of other people on this group who don't vax! usually i get blasted for it. i was sort of preparing for an attack. On 3/9/07, Leah Little <leahrlittle<leahrlittle> wrote: > > We don't vaccinate. There are some great discussions and links to > resources > at mothering.com in the discussions forum, " vaccinations " . You're right, > well baby visits are just for vaccinations. I don't need to pay someone > to > tell me that my baby is well. > > > > " najjafamily03 " <najjafamily03<najjafamily03> > > < > > > < > > > kids shots > >Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:19:15 -0000 > > > >Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 boys and we are a veg family except > >for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My > >question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their children > >immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. for > >his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really > >don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise > >decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get feed > >back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have > >insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get check > >ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away my > >$25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that > >before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school > >records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from shots > >for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't stop > >thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! > > > >Thanks > > > > ________ > Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office > Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/<http://clk.atdmt.co\ m/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/> > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at > http://www.vrg.org<http://www.vrg.org/> and for materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This<http://www.vrg.org/family.This> is a discussion list and is not intended to > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health > professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 We selectively vaccinated our son, luckily our Dr. doesn't recommend the Chicken Pox vaccine, as she much preferrs kids to get it naturally. Unfortunately, the STATE mandates that kids who are going to start public school (private schools can make their own rules) HAVE to have proof of either chicken pox, or the vaccination before they start school. Of course, homeschooling you don't have to get that vax. At least here. It's harder to not do them in IL, as we don't have a philosophical exemption, just the religious one. We've gone to a chicken pox 'party' - but we unfortunately didn't get it, and he got some good exposure. So we have to try again. (there is a for a couple of them). Since we didn't get our shots through our Dr. (we were on WIC at the time, and they have a free shot clinic here) so she wrote us a not to put in his file to not give it to him for medical reasons. It was the only way to not have it for us. I agree that you do need to do the research, and what we did was we delayed most of them (the hepatitis one, and a few others that we asked to delay). I think I just got tired of it after a while and we missed the last booster shots (when he was 2) so we're very well behind. LOL. I forget the names of the shots we did get, but I found a list of ones that were low mercury and low trimiserol (I think that's the name of it). We made sure all the vax's we got were dead virus, not the live. It's been a while, so I don't recall the names of it - I think there was an article about it in Mothering magazine a while ago. There is a delayed schedule you can ask to be on, which is what I think we ended up with because I didn't want so many at a time, we also would 'forget' to go in to get some of them. Missie On 3/9/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > > Remember we're all weirdos too. > > chandelle' <earthmother213 <earthmother213%40gmail.com>> wrote: > wow, i'm so surprised there are lots of other people on this group who don't > > vax! usually i get blasted for it. i was sort of preparing for an attack. > > > On 3/9/07, Leah Little <leahrlittle<leahrlittle%40hotmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > We don't vaccinate. There are some great discussions and links to > > resources > > at mothering.com in the discussions forum, " vaccinations " . You're right, > > well baby visits are just for vaccinations. I don't need to pay someone > > to > > tell me that my baby is well. > > > > > > > " najjafamily03 " <najjafamily03<najjafamily03%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > kids shots > > >Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:19:15 -0000 > > > > > >Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 boys and we are a veg family except > > >for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My > > >question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their children > > >immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. for > > >his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really > > >don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise > > >decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get feed > > >back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have > > >insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get check > > >ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away my > > >$25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that > > >before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school > > >records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from shots > > >for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't stop > > >thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > ________ > > Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft > Office > > Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website > at > > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go > to > > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended > to > > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from > a > > qualified health professional. > > > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health > > professional. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Whatever we're able to do individually, we do. If all they have is the combination vaccine, it depends on what's in it. If it's one of those thousand-in-one shots, screw it. That's what they try to do to our dogs... or rather, used to do, before we found a holistic vet. They have 7-in-one vaccines!!! No way!!! Two at a time, maybe. Three, that's pushing it. Four or more, ack. Seven... over my dead body!!! Human kids OR dog kids!!! Tanya Ginger <tanya wrote: My son had allergic reactions to shots twice! The doctors kept telling me it was something he ate, ear infection, ect! He also has an allergy to egg which is the base of some of the shots, but the standard is the risks out weigh the benefit. Very frustrating! Now I will only do 1 shot at a time with my child and have declined any shots which contain egg. I live in Atlanta and the chicken pox shot is rolled into the MMR shot. It is required here for schools. I have already declined the new version once and will decline it again. The problem is here you can't get the plain shot or at least that is what I have been told. Kadee - Do you do one combination shot at a time or each part at a time? Tanya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 If it makes you feel better, they have said vaccinations definitely do not cause autism. I know it is only one thing, but this relates pretty closely to my field of study so I keep a pretty close eye on it. The rest of those major side effects (paralysis, etc) are about as rare as contracting the illness from what I understand. I know there are other reasons not to vaccinate, so I am not saying you definitely should. I also know the skepticism that surrounds these studies, so again, I am not taking sides on this. The way I see it is that we are all doing the best we can with what information we have to raise our kids with the best chances possible. So I do my research, make my decisions, modify them later with new info if possible, and until then, live guilt free. It is a gamble. We could keep our kids locked in germ free rooms with the maximum stimluation possible to make them geniuses, then they would hate us because we never let them out. Then they would fly out on the streets and do drugs and everything we were trying to protect them from just to show us they could. Most kids turn out fine, and you never know what research will tell us in the future that we did wrong. Can you imagine doing some of the things to our kids that our parents did with us? No car seats, etc. I am sure the next generation will have a bunch of things to make us feel guilty for, too. So until then, I just kind of do what I think is right and go from there. It will be okay. If you vaccinate your kids, they may end up paralyzed. If you don't vaccinate your kids and they die of smallpox. Truth is, most kids turn out perfectly healthy, regardless of our decisions. You do the best you can. I do the best I can, and that is all we can do. My motto is " No guilt. " I have made mistakes, but I learn from them, forgive myself, and move on. No one is perfect, and no matter what you do, your kid may end up fine or not fine. You just never know. So I wouldn't stress out too much about it. Stephanie <stargazerlily72 wrote: I am SOOOO with you!!! My daughter is 9 months old. Before she was born I said I wouldn't vaccinate. Somehow I was " scared " into it by " them " up to this point she has all her shots but everytime we go in, it turns my stomach!!! I wonder, will she get sick, get paralyzed, autism or the worst, die from a reaction.I am right smack dab ON the fence, I am scared to vax but I'm scared not to. My head spins when I start to think about it. I feel horrible that I seemingly can't make this decision! I WAS able to stand up to the ped about one vax. Since my daughter was a preemie they wanted to give her Synagis, for RSV. They told me if she got RSV that she would probably die because she was a preemie. She had NO complications, just born early. Doc wanted to give her this vax (a live virus) on a monthly basis for 6 MONTHS!!!! I told him that she has a better chance of getting sick if you are GIVING HER THE VIRUS than picking it up off the street. Which btw my daughter is at home with me all the time, and never has contact with other children (for now). Oh, the looks I got and the third degree in questions!!! I felt good though. BUT, I still fel like total CRAP that I can't decide on the rest of them!I too, would like others personal experience with this topic. THANK YOU!!! So,so, much! Stephanie , " Leah Little " <leahrlittle wrote: > > We don't vaccinate. There are some great discussions and links to resources > at mothering.com in the discussions forum, " vaccinations " . You're right, > well baby visits are just for vaccinations. I don't need to pay someone to > tell me that my baby is well. > > > > " najjafamily03 " <najjafamily03 > > > > > > kids shots > >Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:19:15 -0000 > > > >Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 boys and we are a veg family except > >for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My > >question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their children > >immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. for > >his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really > >don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise > >decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get feed > >back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have > >insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get check > >ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away my > >$25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that > >before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school > >records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from shots > >for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't stop > >thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! > > > >Thanks > > > > ________ > Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office > Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 What are you planning to do about college? They are requiring more and more vaccinations for college. (This is a question-question, not a debate-question. In my research, this is one thing I never came across). Lisa Schroeder <awoogala wrote: we slesctively vax. I waited until they were two to do any, then chose dtap, since I wanted pertussis and tetanus, both which are unavailable except as a group shot. my 4 yr old has just received his second polio shot as well. Now, selectively vaxing can also open up a hotbed of schooling issues, since an exemption is usually not allowed if you are picking and choosing. (except for the fetal tissue/catholic ones). Afriend of mine was denied an religious exeption for selectively vaxing (since she had already done some, she couldn't be against them). I live in NJ where medical exemptions are hard to get, and philosophical exemptions do not exist. Anyway, the short version is: we were planning on homeschooling anyway, so I knew I could pick and choose, but you may want to consider if you're trying for exemptions. - Kadee M<abbey_road3012 < > Friday, March 09, 2007 4:02 PM Re: kids shots Remember we're all weirdos too. chandelle' <earthmother213<earthmother213> wrote: wow, i'm so surprised there are lots of other people on this group who don't vax! usually i get blasted for it. i was sort of preparing for an attack. On 3/9/07, Leah Little <leahrlittle<leahrlittle> wrote: > > We don't vaccinate. There are some great discussions and links to > resources > at mothering.com in the discussions forum, " vaccinations " . You're right, > well baby visits are just for vaccinations. I don't need to pay someone > to > tell me that my baby is well. > > > > " najjafamily03 " <najjafamily03<najjafamily03> > > < > > > < > > > kids shots > >Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:19:15 -0000 > > > >Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 boys and we are a veg family except > >for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My > >question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their children > >immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. for > >his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really > >don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise > >decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get feed > >back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have > >insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get check > >ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away my > >$25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that > >before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school > >records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from shots > >for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't stop > >thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! > > > >Thanks > > > > ________ > Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office > Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/<http://clk.atdmt.co\ m/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/> > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at > http://www.vrg.org<http://www.vrg.org/> and for materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This<http://www.vrg.org/family.This> is a discussion list and is not intended to > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health > professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 not to argue, but i am one of those that has definite doubts about those studies, especially in light of what is happening in china since we started sending our old vaccines to them. On 3/9/07, L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 wrote: > > If it makes you feel better, they have said vaccinations definitely do not > cause autism. I know it is only one thing, but this relates pretty closely > to my field of study so I keep a pretty close eye on it. The rest of those > major side effects (paralysis, etc) are about as rare as contracting the > illness from what I understand. I know there are other reasons not to > vaccinate, so I am not saying you definitely should. I also know the > skepticism that surrounds these studies, so again, I am not taking sides on > this. > > The way I see it is that we are all doing the best we can with what > information we have to raise our kids with the best chances possible. So I > do my research, make my decisions, modify them later with new info if > possible, and until then, live guilt free. It is a gamble. We could keep our > kids locked in germ free rooms with the maximum stimluation possible to make > them geniuses, then they would hate us because we never let them out. Then > they would fly out on the streets and do drugs and everything we were trying > to protect them from just to show us they could. > > Most kids turn out fine, and you never know what research will tell us > in the future that we did wrong. Can you imagine doing some of the things to > our kids that our parents did with us? No car seats, etc. I am sure the > next generation will have a bunch of things to make us feel guilty for, too. > So until then, I just kind of do what I think is right and go from there. It > will be okay. If you vaccinate your kids, they may end up paralyzed. If you > don't vaccinate your kids and they die of smallpox. Truth is, most kids turn > out perfectly healthy, regardless of our decisions. You do the best you can. > I do the best I can, and that is all we can do. My motto is " No guilt. " I > have made mistakes, but I learn from them, forgive myself, and move on. No > one is perfect, and no matter what you do, your kid may end up fine or not > fine. You just never know. So I wouldn't stress out too much about it. > > Stephanie <stargazerlily72 wrote: > I am SOOOO with you!!! My daughter is 9 months old. Before she > was > born I said I wouldn't vaccinate. Somehow I was " scared " into it > by " them " up to this point she has all her shots but everytime we go > in, it turns my stomach!!! I wonder, will she get sick, get > paralyzed, autism or the worst, die from a reaction.I am right smack > dab ON the fence, I am scared to vax but I'm scared not to. My head > spins when I start to think about it. I feel horrible that I > seemingly can't make this decision! I WAS able to stand up to the ped > about one vax. Since my daughter was a preemie they wanted to give > her Synagis, for RSV. They told me if she got RSV that she would > probably die because she was a preemie. She had NO complications, > just born early. Doc wanted to give her this vax (a live virus) on a > monthly basis for 6 MONTHS!!!! I told him that she has a better > chance of getting sick if you are GIVING HER THE VIRUS than picking > it up off the street. Which btw my daughter is at home with me all > the time, and never has contact with other children (for now). Oh, > the looks I got and the third degree in questions!!! I felt good > though. BUT, I still fel like total CRAP that I can't decide on the > rest of them!I too, would like others personal experience with this > topic. THANK YOU!!! So,so, much! > Stephanie > > , " Leah Little " <leahrlittle > wrote: > > > > We don't vaccinate. There are some great discussions and links to > resources > > at mothering.com in the discussions forum, " vaccinations " . You're > right, > > well baby visits are just for vaccinations. I don't need to pay > someone to > > tell me that my baby is well. > > > > > > > " najjafamily03 " <najjafamily03 > > > > > > > > > kids shots > > >Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:19:15 -0000 > > > > > >Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 boys and we are a veg family > except > > >for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My > > >question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their > children > > >immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. > for > > >his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really > > >don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise > > >decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get > feed > > >back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have > > >insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get > check > > >ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away > my > > >$25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that > > >before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school > > >records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from > shots > > >for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't > stop > > >thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > ________ > > Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft > Office > > Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Just fyi...unless you're in Mississippi or West Virginia, every state has religious and/or philosophical exemptions for schools (and your religion is personal and can be whatever you want it to be). Private schools can set their own rules, but public schools and daycares HAVE to accept the exemptions. Again, check out the mothering.com discussion forums if you'd like to research or ask more questions. They've got so much knowledge over there! _______________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 well, that is why I talked about the skepticism surrounding the studies. There are two sides to everything, both the vaccination debate and all the studies that surround it. I was really just trying to help us all to not feel guilty, especially those who were having second thoughts about what was already done. There is SO much information out there, and so much of it is conflicting or misused/solely used for personal gain, it is hard to know what is right and what is not. And, quite frankly, we have brought more to China than vaccines. We have brought a whole new culture. It is really easy to associate stuff, but there is usually more to the story. In 10 years, we may be surprised about the actual cause of some of these things. I would suggest to anyone `who can to take a class in experiments. I took Experimental Psychology in my undergrad years, and it has helped IMMENSELY in reading studies. I can take everything with a grain of salt and identify a good study vs. a bad study. Of course, there are lots of people who purposefully manipulate their data, but you learn a little bit on how to take some of that into account as well. I am one of those people who basically says " Pleeease argue with me! " I want to know if I am wrong so I can fix it. Same if I argue with anyone: I am presenting my viewpoint not to convince the person I am arguing with, but to give them a chance to convince me. Especially on this board where I am so new to everything. So if I ever say anything, I totally hope that someone will disagree with me so I can think about it. You were really polite about it, which is why I mention that. I do appreciate politeness, haha. Laura chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: not to argue, but i am one of those that has definite doubts about those studies, especially in light of what is happening in china since we started sending our old vaccines to them. On 3/9/07, L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 wrote: > > If it makes you feel better, they have said vaccinations definitely do not > cause autism. I know it is only one thing, but this relates pretty closely > to my field of study so I keep a pretty close eye on it. The rest of those > major side effects (paralysis, etc) are about as rare as contracting the > illness from what I understand. I know there are other reasons not to > vaccinate, so I am not saying you definitely should. I also know the > skepticism that surrounds these studies, so again, I am not taking sides on > this. > > The way I see it is that we are all doing the best we can with what > information we have to raise our kids with the best chances possible. So I > do my research, make my decisions, modify them later with new info if > possible, and until then, live guilt free. It is a gamble. We could keep our > kids locked in germ free rooms with the maximum stimluation possible to make > them geniuses, then they would hate us because we never let them out. Then > they would fly out on the streets and do drugs and everything we were trying > to protect them from just to show us they could. > > Most kids turn out fine, and you never know what research will tell us > in the future that we did wrong. Can you imagine doing some of the things to > our kids that our parents did with us? No car seats, etc. I am sure the > next generation will have a bunch of things to make us feel guilty for, too. > So until then, I just kind of do what I think is right and go from there. It > will be okay. If you vaccinate your kids, they may end up paralyzed. If you > don't vaccinate your kids and they die of smallpox. Truth is, most kids turn > out perfectly healthy, regardless of our decisions. You do the best you can. > I do the best I can, and that is all we can do. My motto is " No guilt. " I > have made mistakes, but I learn from them, forgive myself, and move on. No > one is perfect, and no matter what you do, your kid may end up fine or not > fine. You just never know. So I wouldn't stress out too much about it. > > Stephanie <stargazerlily72 wrote: > I am SOOOO with you!!! My daughter is 9 months old. Before she > was > born I said I wouldn't vaccinate. Somehow I was " scared " into it > by " them " up to this point she has all her shots but everytime we go > in, it turns my stomach!!! I wonder, will she get sick, get > paralyzed, autism or the worst, die from a reaction.I am right smack > dab ON the fence, I am scared to vax but I'm scared not to. My head > spins when I start to think about it. I feel horrible that I > seemingly can't make this decision! I WAS able to stand up to the ped > about one vax. Since my daughter was a preemie they wanted to give > her Synagis, for RSV. They told me if she got RSV that she would > probably die because she was a preemie. She had NO complications, > just born early. Doc wanted to give her this vax (a live virus) on a > monthly basis for 6 MONTHS!!!! I told him that she has a better > chance of getting sick if you are GIVING HER THE VIRUS than picking > it up off the street. Which btw my daughter is at home with me all > the time, and never has contact with other children (for now). Oh, > the looks I got and the third degree in questions!!! I felt good > though. BUT, I still fel like total CRAP that I can't decide on the > rest of them!I too, would like others personal experience with this > topic. THANK YOU!!! So,so, much! > Stephanie > > , " Leah Little " <leahrlittle > wrote: > > > > We don't vaccinate. There are some great discussions and links to > resources > > at mothering.com in the discussions forum, " vaccinations " . You're > right, > > well baby visits are just for vaccinations. I don't need to pay > someone to > > tell me that my baby is well. > > > > > > > " najjafamily03 " <najjafamily03 > > > > > > > > > kids shots > > >Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:19:15 -0000 > > > > > >Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 boys and we are a veg family > except > > >for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My > > >question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their > children > > >immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. > for > > >his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really > > >don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise > > >decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get > feed > > >back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have > > >insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get > check > > >ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away > my > > >$25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that > > >before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school > > >records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from > shots > > >for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't > stop > > >thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > ________ > > Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft > Office > > Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 I would also question who is behind these vaccination studies that are finding autism to definintely not be a cause. The chain could be long enough to where we'd never know. There is huge money in vaccinations and pharmaceuticals. They and government will do whatever they can to protect the bottom dollar. Just like there is huge money in meat and dairy. chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: not to argue, but i am one of those that has definite doubts about those studies, especially in light of what is happening in china since we started sending our old vaccines to them. On 3/9/07, L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 wrote: > > If it makes you feel better, they have said vaccinations definitely do not > cause autism. I know it is only one thing, but this relates pretty closely > to my field of study so I keep a pretty close eye on it. The rest of those > major side effects (paralysis, etc) are about as rare as contracting the > illness from what I understand. I know there are other reasons not to > vaccinate, so I am not saying you definitely should. I also know the > skepticism that surrounds these studies, so again, I am not taking sides on > this. > > The way I see it is that we are all doing the best we can with what > information we have to raise our kids with the best chances possible. So I > do my research, make my decisions, modify them later with new info if > possible, and until then, live guilt free. It is a gamble. We could keep our > kids locked in germ free rooms with the maximum stimluation possible to make > them geniuses, then they would hate us because we never let them out. Then > they would fly out on the streets and do drugs and everything we were trying > to protect them from just to show us they could. > > Most kids turn out fine, and you never know what research will tell us > in the future that we did wrong. Can you imagine doing some of the things to > our kids that our parents did with us? No car seats, etc. I am sure the > next generation will have a bunch of things to make us feel guilty for, too. > So until then, I just kind of do what I think is right and go from there. It > will be okay. If you vaccinate your kids, they may end up paralyzed. If you > don't vaccinate your kids and they die of smallpox. Truth is, most kids turn > out perfectly healthy, regardless of our decisions. You do the best you can. > I do the best I can, and that is all we can do. My motto is " No guilt. " I > have made mistakes, but I learn from them, forgive myself, and move on. No > one is perfect, and no matter what you do, your kid may end up fine or not > fine. You just never know. So I wouldn't stress out too much about it. > > Stephanie <stargazerlily72 wrote: > I am SOOOO with you!!! My daughter is 9 months old. Before she > was > born I said I wouldn't vaccinate. Somehow I was " scared " into it > by " them " up to this point she has all her shots but everytime we go > in, it turns my stomach!!! I wonder, will she get sick, get > paralyzed, autism or the worst, die from a reaction.I am right smack > dab ON the fence, I am scared to vax but I'm scared not to. My head > spins when I start to think about it. I feel horrible that I > seemingly can't make this decision! I WAS able to stand up to the ped > about one vax. Since my daughter was a preemie they wanted to give > her Synagis, for RSV. They told me if she got RSV that she would > probably die because she was a preemie. She had NO complications, > just born early. Doc wanted to give her this vax (a live virus) on a > monthly basis for 6 MONTHS!!!! I told him that she has a better > chance of getting sick if you are GIVING HER THE VIRUS than picking > it up off the street. Which btw my daughter is at home with me all > the time, and never has contact with other children (for now). Oh, > the looks I got and the third degree in questions!!! I felt good > though. BUT, I still fel like total CRAP that I can't decide on the > rest of them!I too, would like others personal experience with this > topic. THANK YOU!!! So,so, much! > Stephanie > > , " Leah Little " <leahrlittle > wrote: > > > > We don't vaccinate. There are some great discussions and links to > resources > > at mothering.com in the discussions forum, " vaccinations " . You're > right, > > well baby visits are just for vaccinations. I don't need to pay > someone to > > tell me that my baby is well. > > > > > > > " najjafamily03 " <najjafamily03 > > > > > > > > > kids shots > > >Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:19:15 -0000 > > > > > >Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 boys and we are a veg family > except > > >for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My > > >question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their > children > > >immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. > for > > >his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really > > >don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise > > >decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get > feed > > >back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have > > >insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get > check > > >ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away > my > > >$25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that > > >before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school > > >records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from > shots > > >for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't > stop > > >thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > ________ > > Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft > Office > > Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Lets hope we always have the right to forgo them with spiritual or religious beliefs. And if my state requires me to be 'religious' to forgo something I am not for, then I guess I am religious. I'm not saying never vaccinate 100%, but we should have the right to choose which ones... all, some, or none for our children (or us). This is about the right of choice and I prefer my government not interfere with these rights. Especially since I question their motivation... .which is often $$$ L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 wrote: What are you planning to do about college? They are requiring more and more vaccinations for college. (This is a question-question, not a debate-question. In my research, this is one thing I never came across). Lisa Schroeder <awoogala wrote: we slesctively vax. I waited until they were two to do any, then chose dtap, since I wanted pertussis and tetanus, both which are unavailable except as a group shot. my 4 yr old has just received his second polio shot as well. Now, selectively vaxing can also open up a hotbed of schooling issues, since an exemption is usually not allowed if you are picking and choosing. (except for the fetal tissue/catholic ones). Afriend of mine was denied an religious exeption for selectively vaxing (since she had already done some, she couldn't be against them). I live in NJ where medical exemptions are hard to get, and philosophical exemptions do not exist. Anyway, the short version is: we were planning on homeschooling anyway, so I knew I could pick and choose, but you may want to consider if you're trying for exemptions. - Kadee M<abbey_road3012 < > Friday, March 09, 2007 4:02 PM Re: kids shots Remember we're all weirdos too. chandelle' <earthmother213<earthmother213> wrote: wow, i'm so surprised there are lots of other people on this group who don't vax! usually i get blasted for it. i was sort of preparing for an attack. On 3/9/07, Leah Little <leahrlittle<leahrlittle> wrote: > > We don't vaccinate. There are some great discussions and links to > resources > at mothering.com in the discussions forum, " vaccinations " . You're right, > well baby visits are just for vaccinations. I don't need to pay someone > to > tell me that my baby is well. > > > > " najjafamily03 " <najjafamily03<najjafamily03> > > < > > > < > > > kids shots > >Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:19:15 -0000 > > > >Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 boys and we are a veg family except > >for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My > >question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their children > >immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. for > >his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really > >don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise > >decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get feed > >back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have > >insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get check > >ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away my > >$25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that > >before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school > >records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from shots > >for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't stop > >thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! > > > >Thanks > > > > ________ > Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office > Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/<http://clk.atdmt.co\ m/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/> > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at > http://www.vrg.org<http://www.vrg.org/> and for materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This<http://www.vrg.org/family.This> is a discussion list and is not intended to > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health > professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 well, in relation to what's happening in china, i'm mainly referring to the incredible increase in autism. we have brought a lot of culture to china, but cultural things like diet are not really considered in autism rates (as far as i know...i used to work with autistic kids but it's been a long time, so maybe there's something new i don't know about...). some of the higher rates can be blamed on better diagnosis, but i don't think all of it can...especially since the sharp increase began just as the thimerosol debate in the US was gearing up and many thimerosol-ated vaxes were sent over there in capitulation. and in my own defense, one of my majors was forensic psych, for three years, and i had to take mutiple classes in experiment design/implementation and statistics, so i'm pretty skeptical about studies too. and thank YOU for being polite. chandelle' On 3/9/07, L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 wrote: > > well, that is why I talked about the skepticism surrounding the studies. > There are two sides to everything, both the vaccination debate and all the > studies that surround it. I was really just trying to help us all to not > feel guilty, especially those who were having second thoughts about what was > already done. There is SO much information out there, and so much of it is > conflicting or misused/solely used for personal gain, it is hard to know > what is right and what is not. > > And, quite frankly, we have brought more to China than vaccines. We have > brought a whole new culture. It is really easy to associate stuff, but > there is usually more to the story. In 10 years, we may be surprised about > the actual cause of some of these things. I would suggest to anyone `who can > to take a class in experiments. I took Experimental Psychology in my > undergrad years, and it has helped IMMENSELY in reading studies. I can take > everything with a grain of salt and identify a good study vs. a bad study. > Of course, there are lots of people who purposefully manipulate their data, > but you learn a little bit on how to take some of that into account as well. > > I am one of those people who basically says " Pleeease argue with me! " > I want to know if I am wrong so I can fix it. Same if I argue with anyone: > I am presenting my viewpoint not to convince the person I am arguing with, > but to give them a chance to convince me. Especially on this board where I > am so new to everything. So if I ever say anything, I totally hope that > someone will disagree with me so I can think about it. You were really > polite about it, which is why I mention that. I do appreciate politeness, > haha. > Laura > > chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > not to argue, but i am one of those that has definite doubts > about those > studies, especially in light of what is happening in china since we > started > sending our old vaccines to them. > > On 3/9/07, L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 wrote: > > > > If it makes you feel better, they have said vaccinations definitely do > not > > cause autism. I know it is only one thing, but this relates pretty > closely > > to my field of study so I keep a pretty close eye on it. The rest of > those > > major side effects (paralysis, etc) are about as rare as contracting the > > illness from what I understand. I know there are other reasons not to > > vaccinate, so I am not saying you definitely should. I also know the > > skepticism that surrounds these studies, so again, I am not taking sides > on > > this. > > > > The way I see it is that we are all doing the best we can with what > > information we have to raise our kids with the best chances possible. So > I > > do my research, make my decisions, modify them later with new info if > > possible, and until then, live guilt free. It is a gamble. We could keep > our > > kids locked in germ free rooms with the maximum stimluation possible to > make > > them geniuses, then they would hate us because we never let them out. > Then > > they would fly out on the streets and do drugs and everything we were > trying > > to protect them from just to show us they could. > > > > Most kids turn out fine, and you never know what research will tell us > > in the future that we did wrong. Can you imagine doing some of the > things to > > our kids that our parents did with us? No car seats, etc. I am sure the > > next generation will have a bunch of things to make us feel guilty for, > too. > > So until then, I just kind of do what I think is right and go from > there. It > > will be okay. If you vaccinate your kids, they may end up paralyzed. If > you > > don't vaccinate your kids and they die of smallpox. Truth is, most kids > turn > > out perfectly healthy, regardless of our decisions. You do the best you > can. > > I do the best I can, and that is all we can do. My motto is " No guilt. " > I > > have made mistakes, but I learn from them, forgive myself, and move on. > No > > one is perfect, and no matter what you do, your kid may end up fine or > not > > fine. You just never know. So I wouldn't stress out too much about it. > > > > Stephanie <stargazerlily72 wrote: > > I am SOOOO with you!!! My daughter is 9 months old. Before she > > was > > born I said I wouldn't vaccinate. Somehow I was " scared " into it > > by " them " up to this point she has all her shots but everytime we go > > in, it turns my stomach!!! I wonder, will she get sick, get > > paralyzed, autism or the worst, die from a reaction.I am right smack > > dab ON the fence, I am scared to vax but I'm scared not to. My head > > spins when I start to think about it. I feel horrible that I > > seemingly can't make this decision! I WAS able to stand up to the ped > > about one vax. Since my daughter was a preemie they wanted to give > > her Synagis, for RSV. They told me if she got RSV that she would > > probably die because she was a preemie. She had NO complications, > > just born early. Doc wanted to give her this vax (a live virus) on a > > monthly basis for 6 MONTHS!!!! I told him that she has a better > > chance of getting sick if you are GIVING HER THE VIRUS than picking > > it up off the street. Which btw my daughter is at home with me all > > the time, and never has contact with other children (for now). Oh, > > the looks I got and the third degree in questions!!! I felt good > > though. BUT, I still fel like total CRAP that I can't decide on the > > rest of them!I too, would like others personal experience with this > > topic. THANK YOU!!! So,so, much! > > Stephanie > > > > , " Leah Little " <leahrlittle > > wrote: > > > > > > We don't vaccinate. There are some great discussions and links to > > resources > > > at mothering.com in the discussions forum, " vaccinations " . You're > > right, > > > well baby visits are just for vaccinations. I don't need to pay > > someone to > > > tell me that my baby is well. > > > > > > > > > > " najjafamily03 " <najjafamily03 > > > > > > > > > > > > kids shots > > > >Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:19:15 -0000 > > > > > > > >Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 boys and we are a veg family > > except > > > >for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My > > > >question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their > > children > > > >immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. > > for > > > >his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really > > > >don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise > > > >decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get > > feed > > > >back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have > > > >insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get > > check > > > >ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away > > my > > > >$25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that > > > >before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school > > > >records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from > > shots > > > >for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't > > stop > > > >thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft > > Office > > > Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > > in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 I'm from Australia so rules & regulations may be different here however it is not compulsory to vax here although some schools even playgroups discriminate and will not allow entry but they are only a few as people are beginning to realise the danger of vaxing. My daughter is not vaxed nor will she ever be after what I have researched. I have a cousin whos son is autistic and is deemed to be from the high mercury levels in the vax. Do your research my friends it's the same argument as being a meat eater or vego, some will tell you it's good and some will tell you it's bad!!!! It's a scary world we live in. , " Lisa Schroeder " <awoogala wrote: > > we slesctively vax. I waited until they were two to do any, then chose dtap, since I wanted pertussis and tetanus, both which are unavailable except as a group shot. > my 4 yr old has just received his second polio shot as well. > Now, selectively vaxing can also open up a hotbed of schooling issues, since an exemption is usually not allowed if you are picking and choosing. (except for the fetal tissue/catholic ones). Afriend of mine was denied an religious exeption for selectively vaxing (since she had already done some, she couldn't be against them). > I live in NJ where medical exemptions are hard to get, and philosophical exemptions do not exist. > Anyway, the short version is: we were planning on homeschooling anyway, so I knew I could pick and choose, but you may want to consider if you're trying for exemptions. > - > Kadee M<abbey_road3012 > To: < > > Friday, March 09, 2007 4:02 PM > Re: kids shots > > > Remember we're all weirdos too. > > chandelle' <earthmother213<earthmother213> wrote: wow, i'm so surprised there are lots of other people on this group who don't > vax! usually i get blasted for it. i was sort of preparing for an attack. > > > On 3/9/07, Leah Little <leahrlittle<leahrlittle> wrote: > > > > We don't vaccinate. There are some great discussions and links to > > resources > > at mothering.com in the discussions forum, " vaccinations " . You're right, > > well baby visits are just for vaccinations. I don't need to pay someone > > to > > tell me that my baby is well. > > > > > > > " najjafamily03 " <najjafamily03<najjafamily03> > > > < > > > >To: < > > > > kids shots > > >Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:19:15 -0000 > > > > > >Hello I'm Yolanda in Va. We have 2 boys and we are a veg family except > > >for eggs for the kids and whites for myself.Working on that one. My > > >question is has anyone on the group decided not to give their children > > >immunization shots. My sons are 2 and 4. I took my son to the dr. for > > >his 4 year old check up and he was due to have his shots. I really > > >don't want them to have shots but I don't know if it is a wise > > >decision. I know it's a personal decision but would like to get feed > > >back from others. My boys and I are very healthy people. We have > > >insurance but I don't even understand why there is a need to get check > > >ups especially when everything is okay. It's like I'm giving away my > > >$25.00 for a copay. And the Dr. says all looks well. I knew that > > >before I took him in. I really don't have to worry about school > > >records because we homeschool and I know you can be exempt from shots > > >for different reasons. Sorry for the long post but I just can't stop > > >thinking about these immunizatioin shots!!!! > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > ________ > > Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office > > Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/<http://c lk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/> > > > > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at > > http://www.vrg.org<http://www.vrg.org/> and for materials especially useful for families go to > > http://www.vrg.org/family.This<http://www.vrg.org/family.This> is a discussion list and is not intended to > > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > > qualified health professional. > > > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health > > professional. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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