Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 I agree with Chandelle. We bought about 4 dozen heavy duty pre-folds, and now that both children are out of diapers, they're still going strong as cleaning rags. The diaper covers have been passed on....I think some of them are on their 5th and 6th babies now. The stuff lasts forever. I have relatives who live the conventional American life, out in the suburbs with their SAD and each kid in their own bedroom from birth, etc. When you add it all up, I've probably spent about 1/10th what they have to raise my kids so far. And that includes the higher cost for organic foods! The more you keep things simple, the easier and the cheaper life is. And really, it's better for the kids anyway. Toddlers don't appreciate matching dust ruffles and curtains as much as quality time with parents. Liz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 Eating really isn't rocket science. I don't understand why *they* try to complicate it with all the 1st, 2nd, 3rd stages, etc. Babies don't need processed baby dinners. Really, they're designed to breastfeed and then eat real food. Humans don't need to be spoonfed liquified jar food; it's just another way for someone to make money! When they're ready to eat they'll start grabbing for food and putting in in their mouths...it's obvious when they want it! When Henry was about 10 months he started wanting bites of our food. Now at 13 months he eats pretty regularly. Some eat a little sooner, and some even later. I think it's best to follow their lead and let them self feed and self regulate their intake. JMO , " Stephanie " <stargazerlily72 wrote: > > Hi. I am new to the veggie thing and I am also a first time Mom. My > daughter is starting to eat " regular " food and I was told by the ped. > today that she needs meat or another source of protien. Simple for me > to figure out for an adult but what about a baby/toddler? Does anyone > have any sample menus or ideas? I really don't want to go the route of > processed baby dinners. Thanks SO much. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 wow, does attachment parenting literally mean you wear or carry your baby all the time - what if you have to put him/her down (go to the bathroom, take a shower, make dinner)? Just curios how you manage to do it all and more power to you. chandelle' <earthmother213 Friday, March 9, 2007 7:55:03 AM Re: ideas.... we have saved SO MUCH money doing cloth diapers. we spent $300 when my son was born and have not spent another dime on diapers since. we used his older diapers for our new baby. and i can't even describe how much money you save being an attachment parent. no crib, no plapyen, no bouncers, swings or rockers, no canned food, no babysitters, no strollers, and other than myself, no bottles or formula. i highly recommend it, if only to save money! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 I agree 100%! Also, elimination communication is great instead of diapers at all or in conjunction with cloth. It really cuts down on cost/waste/etc. Although, I'm a baby carrier addict so I did spend money there, but not as much as some people spend on strollers. Linda --- chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > we have saved SO MUCH money doing cloth diapers. we > spent $300 when my son > was born and have not spent another dime on diapers > since. we used his > older diapers for our new baby. and i can't even > describe how much money > you save being an attachment parent. no crib, no > plapyen, no bouncers, > swings or rockers, no canned food, no babysitters, > no strollers, and other > than myself, no bottles or formula. i highly > recommend it, if only to save > money! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Linda http://triballife.net/ A Marketplace for a Better World ______________________________\ ____ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search./shortcuts/#loc_weather Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 It is really easy to make your own baby food too. We didn't use any jar foods for either of our kids although they were very different for starting solids. Our first wasn't interested in solids until 8mo. and he was a chunky, shorter baby. Our second was interested at 3 mo.!, but we kept him away from them until 4 or 5mo. and he was a thinner taller baby. They are just very different in the way they eat even now (#1 is 7 and #2 is almost 3). We pureed some foods and used bananas, avocados, etc. instead of buying expensive and sometimes not so nutritious " baby foods " . Both of our kids are great eaters, no allergies, love a variety of whole foods, try new things, eat spicy as well as bland foods, etc. I think Vive Le Vegan has a nice guide on foods in the back. Linda --- Ilse Knecht <iknecht wrote: > I find if you follow your baby's lead, it works > best. My son started > watching us eat and reaching for our food at about 5 > mos so I gave him > some 1st foods and mashed up bananas. Then you just > get the sense from > them that they are ready to try to pick up foods and > I think by 7 mos he > was eating a lot of table food. Starting solids too > early (4 mos) has > been linked to an increase in food allergies. I > would wait. Don't > worry, they will learn to eat table food eventually! > > Ilse > > >>> stargazerlily72 03/09/07 5:51 AM >>> > Thanks. Yes, I do have the Gerber info. I guess > being a first timer, > I question everything.. We kinda follow her, what > she wants to do. > I was going shopping and had planned on getting the > 3rd foods. > Probably best to stick with the jars of baby food > for now. > > , Jess > <veg4animals2006 wrote: > > > > Weaning babies is usually done by their > developmental milestones. I > have a Gerber sheet showing lots of really great > information. I can > scan it and send it to you if you'd like. When a > baby can hold his > own head up and after they are 4 months is generally > when you can > begin weaning, like we did. We started with cereal, > and then went to > 1st foods, his appetite has grown now so he's on 2nd > foods. Usually > you being feeding second foods around the time they > can sit by > themselves(which he's getting the hang of). It says > when they can > crawl or pull themselves up to stand is when you can > begin 3rd and > finger foods. When they walk, you can being > grauduates. It's has lots > of good info on it. You might be able to find it > online. We get > Gerber mailings (coupons, posters, etc) which is > where we got it. > > > > > > > > Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse > > > > Life is an adventure in forgiveness. > > Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephanie <stargazerlily72 > > > > Thursday, March 8, 2007 5:56:29 PM > > Re: ideas.... > > > > Almost 10 mos old. She has been eating the baby > food for awhile and > > some table food. Moving her towards more table > food. She was 8 > weeks > > premature, so I'm not sure where she falls for the > " feeding > > timeline " ,if there is such a thing? > > > > @gro ups.com, " Ilse Knecht " > <iknecht@ > wrote: > > > > > > How old is your daughter? Is she just starting > solids or table > food? > > > > > > Ilse > > > > > > >>> stargazerlily72@ ... 03/07/07 4:38 PM >>> > > > Hi. I am new to the veggie thing and I am also a > first time Mom. > My > > > daughter is starting to eat " regular " food and I > was told by the > ped. > > > today that she needs meat or another source of > protien. Simple > for me > > > to figure out for an adult but what about a > baby/toddler? Does > anyone > > > have any sample menus or ideas? I really don't > want to go the > route > > of > > > processed baby dinners. Thanks SO much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > ______________ > > Get your own web address. > > Have a HUGE year through Small Business. > > http://smallbusiness./domains/?p=BESTDEAL > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > Linda http://triballife.net/ A Marketplace for a Better World ______________________________\ ____ TV dinner still cooling? Check out " Tonight's Picks " on TV. http://tv./ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 problem with this is when kids are like my son who for a long time wouldn't eat any fruits or veggies in their pure form. I tried and tried and tried. So he does get some organic jarred veggies ( he now eats bananas, apples and sometimes pears). My son, much to my extreme sadness, weaned himself at 8 mos. No matter what I did, I couldn't keep my supply up enough for him. So, he did switch to formula and then soy & table food. But he never would eat those veggie and fruits! Ilse >>> leahrlittle 03/09/07 12:10 PM >>> Eating really isn't rocket science. I don't understand why *they* try to complicate it with all the 1st, 2nd, 3rd stages, etc. Babies don't need processed baby dinners. Really, they're designed to breastfeed and then eat real food. Humans don't need to be spoonfed liquified jar food; it's just another way for someone to make money! When they're ready to eat they'll start grabbing for food and putting in in their mouths...it's obvious when they want it! When Henry was about 10 months he started wanting bites of our food. Now at 13 months he eats pretty regularly. Some eat a little sooner, and some even later. I think it's best to follow their lead and let them self feed and self regulate their intake. JMO , " Stephanie " <stargazerlily72 wrote: > > Hi. I am new to the veggie thing and I am also a first time Mom. My > daughter is starting to eat " regular " food and I was told by the ped. > today that she needs meat or another source of protien. Simple for me > to figure out for an adult but what about a baby/toddler? Does anyone > have any sample menus or ideas? I really don't want to go the route of > processed baby dinners. Thanks SO much. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 My son is 6 months old and refuses to breastfeed around lunch time. He will only eat solid foods. He's quite an eater so we feed him solids after breastfeeding as well. Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse Life is an adventure in forgiveness. Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 Thursday, March 8, 2007 11:12:09 PM Re: Re: ideas.... I think it depends on the child, for sure. I think you should go with your instincts and be careful. I started my daughter on solids when she was 4 months because she really was ready. I think that is why they tell you to go for developmental stages rather than just age alone. We have gone super slow, and if I didn't think she was hungry enough one day, we would just do formula/breastmilk. She now eats less than most kids her age and actually dropped a couple of percentages in the growth charts, though she has always stayed somewhere around the 50th percentile. She is 7.5 months old and still wears 3-6 month clothes, so she is absolutely not eating too much. I am almost a little worried she is not eating enough, but she doesn't seem hungrier than what I feed her. Developmentally, now she is ready for stage 3 foods, but we are still on stage 1 and 2. I say that to say I think it is more important in the long run to be in tune with your child's needs. If you purposefully wait because of all the stats on how the sooner a kid starts solids, the more likely they are to be obese, then you run the risk of the opposite problem: throwing their bodies into a feast/famine cycle where their metabolisms slow down because they aren't getting enough food. Of course, starting too soon just so they won't cry so much isn't good either. So, yes, I definitely believe in individuality. My 2 cents. Laura ERB <bakwin (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: The charts and " facts " that Gerber very kindly sends out to new parents which suggest you can start feeding their products to babies as early as 4 months old are advertising ploys, not medical advice. Liz ------------ --------- --------- --- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Search weather shortcut. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 I believe after 6 months though your breastmilk regulates and doesn't provide as much as before. (I'm not sure if that is correct.... please let me know if it's not.) Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse Life is an adventure in forgiveness. Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) robin koloms <rkoloms Friday, March 9, 2007 3:04:40 AM Re: Re: ideas.... At 10 months, she should still be getting most of her protein from breastmilk/formula. Before she turns one, stay away from the allergy trigger food. This is not a complete list, just of the top of my head: dairy, soy, citrus, eggs, wheat, strawberries, Stephanie <stargazerlily72@ > wrote: Almost 10 mos old. She has been eating the baby food for awhile and some table food. Moving her towards more table food. She was 8 weeks premature, so I'm not sure where she falls for the " feeding timeline " ,if there is such a thing? @gro ups.com, " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht > wrote: > > How old is your daughter? Is she just starting solids or table food? > > Ilse > > >>> stargazerlily72@ ... 03/07/07 4:38 PM >>> > Hi. I am new to the veggie thing and I am also a first time Mom. My > daughter is starting to eat " regular " food and I was told by the ped. > today that she needs meat or another source of protien. Simple for me > to figure out for an adult but what about a baby/toddler? Does anyone > have any sample menus or ideas? I really don't want to go the route of > processed baby dinners. Thanks SO much. > ------------ --------- --------- --- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 1st foods are liquidy purees, mainly simple foods. 2nd foods are simply combinations and a little thicker. 3rd food are finger foods and more dinners.. much thicker. Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse Life is an adventure in forgiveness. Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) robin koloms <rkoloms Friday, March 9, 2007 10:44:48 AM Re: Re: ideas.... I don't know what the " stages " mean for the foods. I cooked and mashed veggies (with a mini food processor I picked up at a garage saled) and used a store bought brown rice cereal mixed with breast milk. We used puffed brown rice and puffed millet as finger food. L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 @> wrote: I think it depends on the child, for sure. I think you should go with your instincts and be careful. I started my daughter on solids when she was 4 months because she really was ready. I think that is why they tell you to go for developmental stages rather than just age alone. We have gone super slow, and if I didn't think she was hungry enough one day, we would just do formula/breastmilk. She now eats less than most kids her age and actually dropped a couple of percentages in the growth charts, though she has always stayed somewhere around the 50th percentile. She is 7.5 months old and still wears 3-6 month clothes, so she is absolutely not eating too much. I am almost a little worried she is not eating enough, but she doesn't seem hungrier than what I feed her. Developmentally, now she is ready for stage 3 foods, but we are still on stage 1 and 2. I say that to say I think it is more important in the long run to be in tune with your child's needs. If you purposefully wait because of all the stats on how the sooner a kid starts solids, the more likely they are to be obese, then you run the risk of the opposite problem: throwing their bodies into a feast/famine cycle where their metabolisms slow down because they aren't getting enough food. Of course, starting too soon just so they won't cry so much isn't good either. So, yes, I definitely believe in individuality. My 2 cents. Laura ERB <bakwin (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: The charts and " facts " that Gerber very kindly sends out to new parents which suggest you can start feeding their products to babies as early as 4 months old are advertising ploys, not medical advice. Liz ------------ --------- --------- --- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Search weather shortcut. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 There are no " have to " or rules to " attachment parenting " . I belong to a local attachment parenting group with almost 100 moms and we all do different things. Some of them use strollers, some use disposable diapers, some use pacifiers, some work out of the home, some do not, some do different things based on their different children. I, personally, find it sooooo much easier to babywear all the time the first several months. I was up and out of the house a few hours after my second child was born. I never had that feeling of being trapped or not being able to get things done that some of my non-AP friends went through. I was able to go about my life, cook, clean, shower, do housework, run my business, go to meetings, teach classes, etc. all with the baby right there. It really makes things so much simpler and I never had to worry about checking on the baby, scheduling feedings, etc. It really is a convenience thing, not a hindrance. I sell baby carriers and teach babywearing classes and every one of my customers has come back saying what a life-saver babywearing has been for them. Some of them are " AP " , but many are not. Some of the babywear for years, some for a few months, but they all have found it helpful. Some of my friends who I introduced to wraps were at a LLL event a couple of days ago and they said that more people were interested in how to wear their babies (they had three babies between the three of them, all different ages, all happily being worn) than information on breastfeeding. :-) Linda --- Alexis Middle <alexismiddle wrote: > wow, does attachment parenting literally mean you > wear or carry your baby all the time - what if you > have to put him/her down (go to the bathroom, take a > shower, make dinner)? Just curios how you manage to > do it all and more power to you. > > > > chandelle' <earthmother213 > > Friday, March 9, 2007 7:55:03 AM > Re: ideas.... > > > we have saved SO MUCH money doing cloth diapers. we > spent $300 when my son > was born and have not spent another dime on diapers > since. we used his > older diapers for our new baby. and i can't even > describe how much money > you save being an attachment parent. no crib, no > plapyen, no bouncers, > swings or rockers, no canned food, no babysitters, > no strollers, and other > than myself, no bottles or formula. i highly > recommend it, if only to save > money! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please > visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for > materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list > and is not intended to provide personal medical > advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained > from a qualified health professional. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 I don't think WIC will buy you diapers, or anything other than food. Ours didn't. Jess <veg4animals2006 wrote: We send formula with my son to daycare (since I'm in classes from 9-4), but when he's home he breastfeeds. I was very devastated about that, but my milk supply decreased and I've tried to keep it up, but just couldn't. Plus, I'm not vegan, but we don't use a lot of milk (we generally use silk when cooking). What about WIC as far as diapers and other supplies? We're already on food stamps so I don't know how that would work out. Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse Life is an adventure in forgiveness. Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) Kadee M <abbey_road3012 Thursday, March 8, 2007 10:37:07 PM Re: ideas.... If you're vegan, you're outta luck. They'll buy you milk, cheese, eggs, boxed cereal, baby formula (Enfamil Lipil unless your doctor writes a note saying otherwise), beans... I can't remember what else. You have to go to these BS nutrition classes that are going to be an absolute bore to anyone who actually has a clue about human nutrition. If you used formula, it'd be worth the time... we used Enfamil so it saved us a ton of money. If it hadn't been for that we wouldn't have bothered. Jess <veg4animals2006@ > wrote: How does WIC work exactly? We were planning on setting up an appointment because were really cutting it close paying bills, and have been relying on donations for diapers and baby items. Is it worth our time? Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse Life is an adventure in forgiveness. Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 @> @gro ups.com Thursday, March 8, 2007 6:58:59 PM Re: ideas.... I pretty much went off of WIC when I became veg, a couple months after my daughter was born. Other than the beans, they don't really give you anything that is really healthy for you. At first, they sent me a lot of post cards, but then I moved so now I don't have to deal with them anymore. I don't understand why they don't let you get fresh fruits and veggies instead of canned juice (except carrots) and if you are breastfeeding, they make you get tuna whether you will eat it or not. I still have a lot of beans from them though, because I am lazy and never plan out what I am going to eat in time to soak the beans so I usually use a can. (I know, not the best. . .) Laura Kadee M <abbey_road3012@ > wrote: Ah, WIC. We were on WIC for a year after Jeffery was born, and I swear those people are out to kill entire families. They wanted to know every bit of the reason we don't eat meat, and it still wasn't good enough. They did NOT like our diet!!! Who cares that the kids are eating lots of plain fruits and vegetables and beans and other good things. And I know for a fact they weren't hounding those fat women who brought in their fat children the way they did me. Silly WIC. One of the classes I went to was about iron. The lady teaching the class asked us where you can get iron. Every type of meat was mentioned. Someone even said milk but was corrected. I was the only one in a really big class that said beans and spinach!! I started fuming when the teacher said, " If your children are getting plenty of meat, they're probably getting all the iron they need. " Bah!! Whatever, all our blood iron levels were perfectly normal when they tested us. It's probably normal in the little fat kids too. Hmph. Missie Ward <mszzzi (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: My son's first favorites were kidney beans (we cut them in half when he first started eating them) and small cubes of tofu (he still likes it, plain right from the box even now - and has only recently said he likes 'hot' tofu - which is tofu that has been cooked in any kind of manner LOL). Garbanzos (chickpeas or as he says CARbonzos) are also very good (plus they have a lot of calcium). Some varieties of beans do not have added salt (we get some organic ones that do not have salt, but we still rinse them because of the liquid being a bit thick - it's carageenan I think). We never got hassled, but when our son was first eating solids, we were lacto/ovo vegetarians (before we really figured out his milk allergy), and we had to report once a month for the stuff he ate the day before our WIC visit. Sigh. We were told he didn't get enough vitamin C even though he ate about a half to 3/4 of a cup of peppers that day...so I knew he was fine. they told me he HAD to have juice with vit. C added. Sigh. When they don't really know, you have to provide the information to them (and even then some of them don't 'get' it). We also used to get plain unsweetened applesauce, and I made a lot of my own other fruit 'sauces' (pineapple, peach, pear, etc). You can probably find some helpful books at the library - one of my favorites from those early, unsure years was (and still is) Super Baby Foods. She's got lists in there about what stuff has a high protein count. We are lucky in that our Dr. never pushed anything on us, and she actually listens to what we have to say, and we work together to find solutions (especially in the early months when we had some problems ). Missie On 3/7/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012@ > wrote: > > She doesn't NEED meat, no matter what the doctor says. Beans have lots > of protein, so do oatmeal and quinoa. Tofu is great if you can get her to > eat it. > > I get canned beans, whatever kind looks good (kidney beans are our > favorite), then I rinse them in a colander to get some of the salt off that > they're packed with, and voila. Super fast, super easy, and very healthy!! > You can mash them up for little babies. Oatmeal has always been one of my > kids' favorites. Plain cooked oats and some mashed peaches or bananas or > applesauce, or any other fruit. You can use jar baby food for that. You > could do the same thing with quinoa and vegetable baby food. > > Stephanie <stargazerlily72@ <stargazerlily72% 40> > wrote: > Hi. I am new to the veggie thing and I am also a first time Mom. My > daughter is starting to eat " regular " food and I was told by the ped. > today that she needs meat or another source of protien. Simple for me > to figure out for an adult but what about a baby/toddler? Does anyone > have any sample menus or ideas? I really don't want to go the route of > processed baby dinners. Thanks SO much. > > > > > > Kadee Sedtal > > Brain: " Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? " > Pinky: " I think so, Brain, but if the plural of mouse is mice, wouldn't > the plural of spouse be spice? 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Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 of course i put my babies down! my babies spend the first three months pretty much in-arms constantly, as i imagine and HOPE all babies do, but i of course put them down to go to the bathroom or cook or what have you. and after 3 months, they spend a lot of time on the floor learning to use their bodies, with me sitting nearby studying or drawing or folding laundry or whatever. but when we go out, i sling them or carry them, or isaiah walks by himself now that he's 2. we do strollers very rarely. and we DEFINITELY do not EVER use playpens as a place for an awake chld to be (althogh we do use one for our toddler to take naps in during the day). our babies sleep with us so when they need a nap i just put them on the bed (safely, of course), or on the floor on a blanket. as for rockers, bouncers, etc....as far as i'm concerned, those are just substitutes for parents. just about everything you can buy for a baby/child is designed to separate the baby from its parents - bottles so the baby isn't skin-to-skin at the breast, bouncers/walkers etc. as a replacement for a mother's knee or encouragement, playpens as a substitute for a mother's attention and guidance, strollers instead of being held, cribs instead of the closeness of the parent, which even puts the child more at risk for SIDS, etc. i'm not saying that all of these things can't be used carefully and usefully - i have fibromyalgia so after a year i can't really carry my kids anymore, even in a sling, so for long trips when my husband isn't there to help, i will on occasion use a stroller with my toddler, although carrying in-arms or having him walk himself is the first choice. and i did use a swing occasionally, like once or twice a month, with my son because i was very sick the first year after he was born and sometimes just needed a break. but in general, from what i view every time i leave the house, these objects are used WAY too much and serve very well for what their underlying intent it, which is to create barriers between the parent and child. i remember going to church (when i used to go to church, LOL!) and i would see women there who would leave their kids in the carseat the whole three hours! even when they were awake! they wouldn't even hold them to feed them, they'd just prop the bottle or hold it in front of their mouths. if the babies fussed, they'd rock the carseat instead of holding them. that just seems insane to me. living this way with your babies, being with them as much as you can, holding them, talking to them, engaging them in the regular part of your day, comforting them when they are sad or lonely or bored or tired or hurt, is not extreme - having your house full of all kinds of implements that somehow seem necessary to be a parent is extreme. a lot of the time when i am at home, if one of my babies is very fussy and needs to be held but i need to do stuff, i sling them while i vaccuum, sweep the floor, etc. it's very convenient, much more convenient than making them " cry it out " because their neediness doesn't fit into my perfectly arranged adult life. living this way with babies is VASTLY more convenient and satisfying, because everyone is happier! we've never had to put our kids on a schedule, because we just followed their cues and they designed their own schedule. after the first three months, isaiah started waking up around 8, taking his first nap at 10, his second nap around 2, and going to bed again around 8. at 2, he still does that, like clockwork. we've never had sleep problems with him, or eating problems either. willow is 3 months old now, and she's putting herself on a schedule too - she wakes up around 9, eats and plays for about an hour, takes a nap around 10, then is awake for 3 hours or so, takes another nap, is awake for another 3 hours or so, takes another nap, then goes to bed right around 9, and wakes up twice in the night - once around 12 and once around 3-4 - and her nighttime wakings take about 15 minutes to complete, feeding and diaper, and she always goes back to sleep without a fuss, same as isaiah. and we've never had to make our kids sleep in their own beds rooms away from us and cry themselves to sleep to do it. and even though everyone told us that we were doing everything wrong with isaiah, that he was going to end up spoiled and selfish, he is anything but - he is confident, intelligent, compassionate, loving, and independent. basically, what i'm trying to say is, we're the best parents ever. LOL! ok, i only said that because i'm so unabashedly bragging right now. we do have great kids. but a lot of attachment-parenting to us is just because it's flat-out EASIER! and more PLEASANT! and it makes everyone HAPPIER! and our days go SMOOTHER! yeah, there's all that stuff about closeness and loving and crap, but mainly, we're just lazy, and parenting this way, and producing such easy kids, it really just the easy way out when it comes to parenting. sorry to get up on my soapbox. i love APing and i like to spread the message. chandelle' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 i didn't mean to imply that there's only one right way to AP...thanks for clearing that up, linda. there are lots of ways to AP and for some it includes using " stuff, " as it does even for us most hard-core AP types on occasion. the main thing, i think is responding to your children's needs and being close to them. chandelle' On 3/9/07, Linda Evans <veganlinda wrote: > > There are no " have to " or rules to " attachment > parenting " . I belong to a local attachment parenting > group with almost 100 moms and we all do different > things. Some of them use strollers, some use > disposable diapers, some use pacifiers, some work out > of the home, some do not, some do different things > based on their different children. > > I, personally, find it sooooo much easier to babywear > all the time the first several months. I was up and > out of the house a few hours after my second child was > born. I never had that feeling of being trapped or > not being able to get things done that some of my > non-AP friends went through. I was able to go about > my life, cook, clean, shower, do housework, run my > business, go to meetings, teach classes, etc. all with > the baby right there. It really makes things so much > simpler and I never had to worry about checking on the > baby, scheduling feedings, etc. It really is a > convenience thing, not a hindrance. I sell baby > carriers and teach babywearing classes and every one > of my customers has come back saying what a life-saver > babywearing has been for them. Some of them are " AP " , > but many are not. Some of the babywear for years, > some for a few months, but they all have found it > helpful. Some of my friends who I introduced to wraps > were at a LLL event a couple of days ago and they said > that more people were interested in how to wear their > babies (they had three babies between the three of > them, all different ages, all happily being worn) than > information on breastfeeding. :-) > > Linda > --- Alexis Middle <alexismiddle wrote: > > > wow, does attachment parenting literally mean you > > wear or carry your baby all the time - what if you > > have to put him/her down (go to the bathroom, take a > > shower, make dinner)? Just curios how you manage to > > do it all and more power to you. > > > > > > > > chandelle' <earthmother213 > > > > Friday, March 9, 2007 7:55:03 AM > > Re: ideas.... > > > > > > we have saved SO MUCH money doing cloth diapers. we > > spent $300 when my son > > was born and have not spent another dime on diapers > > since. we used his > > older diapers for our new baby. and i can't even > > describe how much money > > you save being an attachment parent. no crib, no > > plapyen, no bouncers, > > swings or rockers, no canned food, no babysitters, > > no strollers, and other > > than myself, no bottles or formula. i highly > > recommend it, if only to save > > money! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please > > visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for > > materials especially useful for families go to > > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list > > and is not intended to provide personal medical > > advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > > qualified health professional. > > > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained > > from a qualified health professional. > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 <<I believe after 6 months though your breastmilk regulates and doesn't provide as much as before. (I'm not sure if that is correct.... please let me know if it's not.)>> No, it's not true. Breastmilk does change constantly, from colostrum to milk, and then continuing to fine-tune the components in the milk based on the baby's/toddler's pattern of nursing, but it doesn't drop off at 6 months unless the baby stops nursing as much at that point. It's a supply and demand situation. If you follow the baby food companies' recommendations, your baby will be eating so much that they'll be too full to nurse sufficiently, and so milk production will drop off. In other words, it's the effect, not the cause, of babies starting to get more or most of their nutrition from table food. If you continue to nurse instead of relying on table foods, milk production will actually increase to keep up with the growing needs of your growing baby. Even the most conventional of US sources state that a baby must have breastmilk or formula for the first year of life, minimum. (WHO says breastmilk for 2 years, but that's a world-wide recommendation that Americans have a tendency to ignore.) So if you start feeding your child table food before 12 months, causing your milk to decrease, the only way you can make up the difference is by buying formula. If you make that choice willingly, having considered all the data and determined what is the right decision for your family, that's great. But the companies that make formula and baby food have a vested interest in getting you to stop producing free food for your baby ASAP. So they tell you things like your milk will naturally decrease after 6 months, implying that your baby won't be getting enough nutrients, to get you to buy their products. If they scare someone into becoming a customer, that's not a real choice. Liz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 Not true. Breastmilk changes to fit the baby's needs. There's nothing magic about the 6 month mark that makes it change unless the baby's needs are changing. >Jess <veg4animals2006 > > >Re: Re: ideas.... >Fri, 9 Mar 2007 10:02:45 -0800 (PST) > >I believe after 6 months though your breastmilk regulates and doesn't >provide as much as before. (I'm not sure if that is correct.... please let >me know if it's not.) > > > > >Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse > >Life is an adventure in forgiveness. >Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) > > > > > >robin koloms <rkoloms > >Friday, March 9, 2007 3:04:40 AM >Re: Re: ideas.... > >At 10 months, she should still be getting most of her protein from >breastmilk/formula. Before she turns one, stay away from the allergy >trigger food. This is not a complete list, just of the top of my head: >dairy, soy, citrus, eggs, wheat, strawberries, > > > >Stephanie <stargazerlily72@ > wrote: >Almost 10 mos old. She has been eating the baby food for awhile and >some table food. Moving her towards more table food. She was 8 weeks >premature, so I'm not sure where she falls for the " feeding >timeline " ,if there is such a thing? > >@gro ups.com, " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht > wrote: > > > > How old is your daughter? Is she just starting solids or table food? > > > > Ilse > > > > >>> stargazerlily72@ ... 03/07/07 4:38 PM >>> > > Hi. I am new to the veggie thing and I am also a first time Mom. My > > daughter is starting to eat " regular " food and I was told by the ped. > > today that she needs meat or another source of protien. Simple for me > > to figure out for an adult but what about a baby/toddler? Does anyone > > have any sample menus or ideas? I really don't want to go the route >of > > processed baby dinners. Thanks SO much. > > > >------------ --------- --------- --- >The fish are biting. >Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 I wasn't speaking of supply. I was speaking of the vitamins and enrichments. Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse Life is an adventure in forgiveness. Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) ERB <bakwin Friday, March 9, 2007 12:50:02 PM Re: ideas.... <<I believe after 6 months though your breastmilk regulates and doesn't provide as much as before. (I'm not sure if that is correct.... please let me know if it's not.)>> No, it's not true. Breastmilk does change constantly, from colostrum to milk, and then continuing to fine-tune the components in the milk based on the baby's/toddler' s pattern of nursing, but it doesn't drop off at 6 months unless the baby stops nursing as much at that point. It's a supply and demand situation. If you follow the baby food companies' recommendations, your baby will be eating so much that they'll be too full to nurse sufficiently, and so milk production will drop off. In other words, it's the effect, not the cause, of babies starting to get more or most of their nutrition from table food. If you continue to nurse instead of relying on table foods, milk production will actually increase to keep up with the growing needs of your growing baby. Even the most conventional of US sources state that a baby must have breastmilk or formula for the first year of life, minimum. (WHO says breastmilk for 2 years, but that's a world-wide recommendation that Americans have a tendency to ignore.) So if you start feeding your child table food before 12 months, causing your milk to decrease, the only way you can make up the difference is by buying formula. If you make that choice willingly, having considered all the data and determined what is the right decision for your family, that's great. But the companies that make formula and baby food have a vested interest in getting you to stop producing free food for your baby ASAP. So they tell you things like your milk will naturally decrease after 6 months, implying that your baby won't be getting enough nutrients, to get you to buy their products. If they scare someone into becoming a customer, that's not a real choice. Liz ______________________________\ ____ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search./shortcuts/#loc_weather Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 you might be referring to the milk balancing out. at some point many women suddenly feel that their milk is gone, or decreasing, because they aren't getting engorged anymore. but it's just that the body creates way more milk than is needed at first and then self-regulates according to how much the baby eats. that's why it's so important to feed on demand, including at night, especially at the beginning but really always - so the body knows how much milk to make. most milk supply issues arise from the simple issue of women not nursing enough. so yes, the milk DOES regulate, and there might NOT be as much milk as before, but it is still PROVIDING the perfect amount for your baby, if the supply was established correctly. if there is not enough mik because the supply was not adequately established, there are tons of ways to bring it up. breastmilk is the perfect food throughout the first year of life and beyond and should be the primary source of nutrition for AT LEAST the first year. chandelle' On 3/9/07, Leah Little <leahrlittle wrote: > > > Not true. Breastmilk changes to fit the baby's needs. There's nothing > magic about the 6 month mark that makes it change unless the baby's needs > are changing. > > > >Jess <veg4animals2006 > > > > > >Re: Re: ideas.... > >Fri, 9 Mar 2007 10:02:45 -0800 (PST) > > > >I believe after 6 months though your breastmilk regulates and doesn't > >provide as much as before. (I'm not sure if that is correct.... please > let > >me know if it's not.) > > > > > > > > > >Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse > > > >Life is an adventure in forgiveness. > >Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) > > > > > > > > > > > >robin koloms <rkoloms > > > >Friday, March 9, 2007 3:04:40 AM > >Re: Re: ideas.... > > > >At 10 months, she should still be getting most of her protein from > >breastmilk/formula. Before she turns one, stay away from the allergy > >trigger food. This is not a complete list, just of the top of my head: > >dairy, soy, citrus, eggs, wheat, strawberries, > > > > > > > >Stephanie <stargazerlily72@ > wrote: > >Almost 10 mos old. She has been eating the baby food for awhile and > >some table food. Moving her towards more table food. She was 8 weeks > >premature, so I'm not sure where she falls for the " feeding > >timeline " ,if there is such a thing? > > > >@gro ups.com, " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht > wrote: > > > > > > How old is your daughter? Is she just starting solids or table food? > > > > > > Ilse > > > > > > >>> stargazerlily72@ ... 03/07/07 4:38 PM >>> > > > Hi. I am new to the veggie thing and I am also a first time Mom. My > > > daughter is starting to eat " regular " food and I was told by the ped. > > > today that she needs meat or another source of protien. Simple for me > > > to figure out for an adult but what about a baby/toddler? Does anyone > > > have any sample menus or ideas? I really don't want to go the route > >of > > > processed baby dinners. Thanks SO much. > > > > > > >------------ --------- --------- --- > >The fish are biting. > >Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 At any age, breast milk is the most vitamin and nutrient-rich food you can give your baby. It does not decrease in nutritional content, but it does change as your baby gets older to meet your baby's needs. The most amazing thing I learned in my training for BF peer-support is that your baby's saliva on your nipple actually tells your body what your baby needs. If your baby is getting sick, your body starts making antibodies for him/her. If you are nursing two children of different ages, your body produces different milk for the two of them and knows which one is which by the saliva and sucking (newborns are very different than toddlers). Your breast milk is custom-made for your child, and changes daily (or even more often) to meet your child's needs. It is absolutely astonishingly incredible stuff! Heather Jess wrote: > > I wasn't speaking of supply. I was speaking of the vitamins and > enrichments. > > Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse > > Life is an adventure in forgiveness. > Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) > > > ERB <bakwin <bakwin%40sbcglobal.net>> > <%40> > Friday, March 9, 2007 12:50:02 PM > Re: ideas.... > > <<I believe after 6 months though your breastmilk > regulates and doesn't provide as much as before. (I'm > not sure if that is correct.... please let me know if > it's not.)>> > > No, it's not true. Breastmilk does change constantly, > from colostrum to milk, and then continuing to > fine-tune the components in the milk based on the > baby's/toddler' s pattern of nursing, but it doesn't > drop off at 6 months unless the baby stops nursing as > much at that point. It's a supply and demand > situation. If you follow the baby food companies' > recommendations, your baby will be eating so much that > they'll be too full to nurse sufficiently, and so milk > production will drop off. In other words, it's the > effect, not the cause, of babies starting to get more > or most of their nutrition from table food. If you > continue to nurse instead of relying on table foods, > milk production will actually increase to keep up with > the growing needs of your growing baby. > > Even the most conventional of US sources state that a > baby must have breastmilk or formula for the first > year of life, minimum. (WHO says breastmilk for 2 > years, but that's a world-wide recommendation that > Americans have a tendency to ignore.) So if you start > feeding your child table food before 12 months, > causing your milk to decrease, the only way you can > make up the difference is by buying formula. > > If you make that choice willingly, having considered > all the data and determined what is the right decision > for your family, that's great. But the companies that > make formula and baby food have a vested interest in > getting you to stop producing free food for your baby > ASAP. So they tell you things like your milk will > naturally decrease after 6 months, implying that your > baby won't be getting enough nutrients, to get you to > buy their products. If they scare someone into > becoming a customer, that's not a real choice. > > Liz > > ________ > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast > with the Search weather shortcut. > http://tools.search./shortcuts/#loc_weather > <http://tools.search./shortcuts/#loc_weather> > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 I didn't know that about the baby's saliva - so cool! I always wondered how one;'s body would know what the baby needs. Ilse >>> hlh4850 03/09/07 3:32 PM >>> At any age, breast milk is the most vitamin and nutrient-rich food you can give your baby. It does not decrease in nutritional content, but it does change as your baby gets older to meet your baby's needs. The most amazing thing I learned in my training for BF peer-support is that your baby's saliva on your nipple actually tells your body what your baby needs. If your baby is getting sick, your body starts making antibodies for him/her. If you are nursing two children of different ages, your body produces different milk for the two of them and knows which one is which by the saliva and sucking (newborns are very different than toddlers). Your breast milk is custom-made for your child, and changes daily (or even more often) to meet your child's needs. It is absolutely astonishingly incredible stuff! Heather Jess wrote: > > I wasn't speaking of supply. I was speaking of the vitamins and > enrichments. > > Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse > > Life is an adventure in forgiveness. > Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) > > > ERB <bakwin <bakwin%40sbcglobal.net>> > <%40> > Friday, March 9, 2007 12:50:02 PM > Re: ideas.... > > <<I believe after 6 months though your breastmilk > regulates and doesn't provide as much as before. (I'm > not sure if that is correct.... please let me know if > it's not.)>> > > No, it's not true. Breastmilk does change constantly, > from colostrum to milk, and then continuing to > fine-tune the components in the milk based on the > baby's/toddler' s pattern of nursing, but it doesn't > drop off at 6 months unless the baby stops nursing as > much at that point. It's a supply and demand > situation. If you follow the baby food companies' > recommendations, your baby will be eating so much that > they'll be too full to nurse sufficiently, and so milk > production will drop off. In other words, it's the > effect, not the cause, of babies starting to get more > or most of their nutrition from table food. If you > continue to nurse instead of relying on table foods, > milk production will actually increase to keep up with > the growing needs of your growing baby. > > Even the most conventional of US sources state that a > baby must have breastmilk or formula for the first > year of life, minimum. (WHO says breastmilk for 2 > years, but that's a world-wide recommendation that > Americans have a tendency to ignore.) So if you start > feeding your child table food before 12 months, > causing your milk to decrease, the only way you can > make up the difference is by buying formula. > > If you make that choice willingly, having considered > all the data and determined what is the right decision > for your family, that's great. But the companies that > make formula and baby food have a vested interest in > getting you to stop producing free food for your baby > ASAP. So they tell you things like your milk will > naturally decrease after 6 months, implying that your > baby won't be getting enough nutrients, to get you to > buy their products. If they scare someone into > becoming a customer, that's not a real choice. > > Liz > > ________ > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast > with the Search weather shortcut. > http://tools.search./shortcuts/#loc_weather > <http://tools.search./shortcuts/#loc_weather> > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 Jess, if you're still working on getting your supply back up, here are a few tips: - let him suck whenever he wants, and make sure he's not using a soother to meet his sucking needs - try spending more some skin-to-skin time cuddling with your baby, or wearing him in a sling I know that can be difficult if you're at school, but maybe you could do that when you're home? Also, when your baby has been nursing for six months your breasts will stop feeling so full when it's feeding time, but that just means they're adjusting to nursing, not that there is less milk. Many women are worried when their breasts stop getting that really full feeling, but it does not usually indicate less milk. Often when women are nursing older babies their breasts stay soft all the time, but they are still producing lots of milk. Another thing that scares women into thinking they aren't producing much is when they try to pump and get very little. How much you can pump actually means very little. Your baby's mouth is very efficient at extracting your milk -- a pump is not, for many women. Your body knows the difference, and many women's bodies just do not let down for a pump (I have successfully nursed three large boys, but never seem to get more than about half an ounce when I pump or express). I don't know what your situation is but thought I'd send this along just in case it might help! There is a lot of very pervasive misinformation about breastfeeding out there. Please use or discard this as you see fit. Heather Jess wrote: > > We send formula with my son to daycare (since I'm in classes from > 9-4), but when he's home he breastfeeds. I was very devastated about > that, but my milk supply decreased and I've tried to keep it up, but > just couldn't. Plus, I'm not vegan, but we don't use a lot of milk (we > generally use silk when cooking). What about WIC as far as diapers and > other supplies? We're already on food stamps so I don't know how that > would work out. > > Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse > > Life is an adventure in forgiveness. > Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) > > > Kadee M <abbey_road3012 > <abbey_road3012%40>> > <%40> > Thursday, March 8, 2007 10:37:07 PM > Re: ideas.... > > If you're vegan, you're outta luck. They'll buy you milk, cheese, > eggs, boxed cereal, baby formula (Enfamil Lipil unless your doctor > writes a note saying otherwise), beans... I can't remember what else. > You have to go to these BS nutrition classes that are going to be an > absolute bore to anyone who actually has a clue about human nutrition. > If you used formula, it'd be worth the time... we used Enfamil so it > saved us a ton of money. If it hadn't been for that we wouldn't have > bothered. > > Jess <veg4animals2006@ > wrote: How does WIC work exactly? We > were planning on setting up an appointment because were really cutting > it close paying bills, and have been relying on donations for diapers > and baby items. Is it worth our time? > > Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse > > Life is an adventure in forgiveness. > Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) > > > L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 @> > @gro ups.com > Thursday, March 8, 2007 6:58:59 PM > Re: ideas.... > > I pretty much went off of WIC when I became veg, a couple months after > my daughter was born. Other than the beans, they don't really give you > anything that is really healthy for you. At first, they sent me a lot > of post cards, but then I moved so now I don't have to deal with them > anymore. I don't understand why they don't let you get fresh fruits > and veggies instead of canned juice (except carrots) and if you are > breastfeeding, they make you get tuna whether you will eat it or not. > I still have a lot of beans from them though, because I am lazy and > never plan out what I am going to eat in time to soak the beans so I > usually use a can. (I know, not the best. . .) > Laura > > Kadee M <abbey_road3012@ > wrote: > Ah, WIC. We were on WIC for a year after Jeffery was born, and I > swear those people are out to kill entire families. They wanted to > know every bit of the reason we don't eat meat, and it still wasn't > good enough. They did NOT like our diet!!! Who cares that the kids are > eating lots of plain fruits and vegetables and beans and other good > things. And I know for a fact they weren't hounding those fat women > who brought in their fat children the way they did me. Silly WIC. One > of the classes I went to was about iron. The lady teaching the class > asked us where you can get iron. Every type of meat was mentioned. > Someone even said milk but was corrected. I was the only one in a > really big class that said beans and spinach!! I started fuming when > the teacher said, " If your children are getting plenty of meat, > they're probably getting all the iron they need. " Bah!! Whatever, all > our blood iron levels were perfectly normal when they tested us. It's > probably normal in the > little fat > kids too. Hmph. > > Missie Ward <mszzzi (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: My son's first favorites were > kidney beans (we cut them in half when he > first started eating them) and small cubes of tofu (he still likes it, > plain > right from the box even now - and has only recently said he likes > 'hot' tofu > - which is tofu that has been cooked in any kind of manner LOL). > Garbanzos (chickpeas or as he says CARbonzos) are also very good (plus > they > have a lot of calcium). > > Some varieties of beans do not have added salt (we get some organic ones > that do not have salt, but we still rinse them because of the liquid being > a bit thick - it's carageenan I think). > > We never got hassled, but when our son was first eating solids, we were > lacto/ovo vegetarians (before we really figured out his milk allergy), and > we had to report once a month for the stuff he ate the day before our WIC > visit. Sigh. We were told he didn't get enough vitamin C even though > he ate > about a half to 3/4 of a cup of peppers that day...so I knew he was fine. > they told me he HAD to have juice with vit. C added. Sigh. > When they don't really know, you have to provide the information to them > (and even then some of them don't 'get' it). > > We also used to get plain unsweetened applesauce, and I made a lot of > my own > other fruit 'sauces' (pineapple, peach, pear, etc). You can probably find > some helpful books at the library - one of my favorites from those early, > unsure years was (and still is) Super Baby Foods. She's got lists in > there about what stuff has a high protein count. We are lucky in that our > Dr. never pushed anything on us, and she actually listens to what we > have to > say, and we work together to find solutions (especially in the early > months > when we had some problems ). > > Missie > > On 3/7/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012@ > wrote: > > > > She doesn't NEED meat, no matter what the doctor says. Beans have lots > > of protein, so do oatmeal and quinoa. Tofu is great if you can get > her to > > eat it. > > > > I get canned beans, whatever kind looks good (kidney beans are our > > favorite), then I rinse them in a colander to get some of the salt > off that > > they're packed with, and voila. Super fast, super easy, and very > healthy!! > > You can mash them up for little babies. Oatmeal has always been one > of my > > kids' favorites. Plain cooked oats and some mashed peaches or bananas or > > applesauce, or any other fruit. You can use jar baby food for that. You > > could do the same thing with quinoa and vegetable baby food. > > > > Stephanie <stargazerlily72@ <stargazerlily72% 40> > > wrote: > > Hi. I am new to the veggie thing and I am also a first time Mom. My > > daughter is starting to eat " regular " food and I was told by the ped. > > today that she needs meat or another source of protien. Simple for me > > to figure out for an adult but what about a baby/toddler? Does anyone > > have any sample menus or ideas? I really don't want to go the route of > > processed baby dinners. Thanks SO much. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kadee Sedtal > > > > Brain: " Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? " > > Pinky: " I think so, Brain, but if the plural of mouse is mice, wouldn't > > the plural of spouse be spice? 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Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 <<I wasn't speaking of supply. I was speaking of the vitamins and enrichments.>> Actually, it's both. It's truly amazing. Breastmilk changes with every feeding, based on the needs of the child. Even things like the percentage of protein or fat. Growth spurts, no problem. Our bodies are smarter than we are! Liz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 No need to buy jarred food. Smash veggies, freeze in an ice cube tray, and you have fresh, healthy veggies. When baby is ready, smash whatever the rest of the family is having. Stephanie <stargazerlily72 wrote: Thanks. Yes, I do have the Gerber info. I guess being a first timer, I question everything.. We kinda follow her, what she wants to do. I was going shopping and had planned on getting the 3rd foods. Probably best to stick with the jars of baby food for now. , Jess <veg4animals2006 wrote: > > Weaning babies is usually done by their developmental milestones. I have a Gerber sheet showing lots of really great information. I can scan it and send it to you if you'd like. When a baby can hold his own head up and after they are 4 months is generally when you can begin weaning, like we did. We started with cereal, and then went to 1st foods, his appetite has grown now so he's on 2nd foods. Usually you being feeding second foods around the time they can sit by themselves(which he's getting the hang of). It says when they can crawl or pull themselves up to stand is when you can begin 3rd and finger foods. When they walk, you can being grauduates. It's has lots of good info on it. You might be able to find it online. We get Gerber mailings (coupons, posters, etc) which is where we got it. > > > > Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse > > Life is an adventure in forgiveness. > Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) > > > > > > Stephanie <stargazerlily72 > > Thursday, March 8, 2007 5:56:29 PM > Re: ideas.... > > Almost 10 mos old. She has been eating the baby food for awhile and > some table food. Moving her towards more table food. She was 8 weeks > premature, so I'm not sure where she falls for the " feeding > timeline " ,if there is such a thing? > > @gro ups.com, " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht@ > wrote: > > > > How old is your daughter? Is she just starting solids or table food? > > > > Ilse > > > > >>> stargazerlily72@ ... 03/07/07 4:38 PM >>> > > Hi. I am new to the veggie thing and I am also a first time Mom. My > > daughter is starting to eat " regular " food and I was told by the ped. > > today that she needs meat or another source of protien. Simple for me > > to figure out for an adult but what about a baby/toddler? Does anyone > > have any sample menus or ideas? I really don't want to go the route > of > > processed baby dinners. Thanks SO much. > > > > > > > > > ________ ______________ > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Small Business. > http://smallbusiness./domains/?p=BESTDEAL > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 I occasionally see cloth diapers on freecycle; thrift shops and ebay might be good sources, too. chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: we have saved SO MUCH money doing cloth diapers. we spent $300 when my son was born and have not spent another dime on diapers since. we used his older diapers for our new baby. and i can't even describe how much money you save being an attachment parent. no crib, no plapyen, no bouncers, swings or rockers, no canned food, no babysitters, no strollers, and other than myself, no bottles or formula. i highly recommend it, if only to save money! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 As I said before, I wasn't speaking of the supply...but of the nutrients. Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse Life is an adventure in forgiveness. Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) chandelle' <earthmother213 Friday, March 9, 2007 2:09:38 PM Re: Re: ideas.... you might be referring to the milk balancing out. at some point many women suddenly feel that their milk is gone, or decreasing, because they aren't getting engorged anymore. but it's just that the body creates way more milk than is needed at first and then self-regulates according to how much the baby eats. that's why it's so important to feed on demand, including at night, especially at the beginning but really always - so the body knows how much milk to make. most milk supply issues arise from the simple issue of women not nursing enough. so yes, the milk DOES regulate, and there might NOT be as much milk as before, but it is still PROVIDING the perfect amount for your baby, if the supply was established correctly. if there is not enough mik because the supply was not adequately established, there are tons of ways to bring it up. breastmilk is the perfect food throughout the first year of life and beyond and should be the primary source of nutrition for AT LEAST the first year. chandelle' On 3/9/07, Leah Little <leahrlittle@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Not true. Breastmilk changes to fit the baby's needs. There's nothing > magic about the 6 month mark that makes it change unless the baby's needs > are changing. > > > >Jess <veg4animals2006@ > > >@gro ups.com > >@gro ups.com > >Re: Re: ideas.... > >Fri, 9 Mar 2007 10:02:45 -0800 (PST) > > > >I believe after 6 months though your breastmilk regulates and doesn't > >provide as much as before. (I'm not sure if that is correct.... please > let > >me know if it's not.) > > > > > > > > > >Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse > > > >Life is an adventure in forgiveness. > >Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) > > > > > > > > > > > >robin koloms <rkoloms > > >@gro ups.com > >Friday, March 9, 2007 3:04:40 AM > >Re: Re: ideas.... > > > >At 10 months, she should still be getting most of her protein from > >breastmilk/ formula. Before she turns one, stay away from the allergy > >trigger food. This is not a complete list, just of the top of my head: > >dairy, soy, citrus, eggs, wheat, strawberries, > > > > > > > >Stephanie <stargazerlily72@ > wrote: > >Almost 10 mos old. She has been eating the baby food for awhile and > >some table food. Moving her towards more table food. She was 8 weeks > >premature, so I'm not sure where she falls for the " feeding > >timeline " ,if there is such a thing? > > > >@gro ups.com, " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht > wrote: > > > > > > How old is your daughter? Is she just starting solids or table food? > > > > > > Ilse > > > > > > >>> stargazerlily72@ ... 03/07/07 4:38 PM >>> > > > Hi. I am new to the veggie thing and I am also a first time Mom. My > > > daughter is starting to eat " regular " food and I was told by the ped. > > > today that she needs meat or another source of protien. Simple for me > > > to figure out for an adult but what about a baby/toddler? Does anyone > > > have any sample menus or ideas? I really don't want to go the route > >of > > > processed baby dinners. Thanks SO much. > > > > > > >----------- - --------- --------- --- > >The fish are biting. > >Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 Wow. I didn't know that. That's great information! Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse Life is an adventure in forgiveness. Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 Friday, March 9, 2007 2:32:26 PM Re: ideas.... At any age, breast milk is the most vitamin and nutrient-rich food you can give your baby. It does not decrease in nutritional content, but it does change as your baby gets older to meet your baby's needs. The most amazing thing I learned in my training for BF peer-support is that your baby's saliva on your nipple actually tells your body what your baby needs. If your baby is getting sick, your body starts making antibodies for him/her. If you are nursing two children of different ages, your body produces different milk for the two of them and knows which one is which by the saliva and sucking (newborns are very different than toddlers). Your breast milk is custom-made for your child, and changes daily (or even more often) to meet your child's needs. It is absolutely astonishingly incredible stuff! Heather Jess wrote: > > I wasn't speaking of supply. I was speaking of the vitamins and > enrichments. > > Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse > > Life is an adventure in forgiveness. > Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) > > > ERB <bakwin (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net <bakwin% 40sbcglobal. net>> > @gro ups.com <% 40. com> > Friday, March 9, 2007 12:50:02 PM > Re: ideas.... > > <<I believe after 6 months though your breastmilk > regulates and doesn't provide as much as before. (I'm > not sure if that is correct.... please let me know if > it's not.)>> > > No, it's not true. Breastmilk does change constantly, > from colostrum to milk, and then continuing to > fine-tune the components in the milk based on the > baby's/toddler' s pattern of nursing, but it doesn't > drop off at 6 months unless the baby stops nursing as > much at that point. It's a supply and demand > situation. If you follow the baby food companies' > recommendations, your baby will be eating so much that > they'll be too full to nurse sufficiently, and so milk > production will drop off. In other words, it's the > effect, not the cause, of babies starting to get more > or most of their nutrition from table food. If you > continue to nurse instead of relying on table foods, > milk production will actually increase to keep up with > the growing needs of your growing baby. > > Even the most conventional of US sources state that a > baby must have breastmilk or formula for the first > year of life, minimum. (WHO says breastmilk for 2 > years, but that's a world-wide recommendation that > Americans have a tendency to ignore.) So if you start > feeding your child table food before 12 months, > causing your milk to decrease, the only way you can > make up the difference is by buying formula. > > If you make that choice willingly, having considered > all the data and determined what is the right decision > for your family, that's great. But the companies that > make formula and baby food have a vested interest in > getting you to stop producing free food for your baby > ASAP. So they tell you things like your milk will > naturally decrease after 6 months, implying that your > baby won't be getting enough nutrients, to get you to > buy their products. If they scare someone into > becoming a customer, that's not a real choice. > > Liz > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast > with the Search weather shortcut. > http://tools. search.. com/shortcuts/ #loc_weather > <http://tools. search.. com/shortcuts/ #loc_weather> > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
