Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 I've tried things like that. I pump, when I can, but that is very little. I'm very busy, being in school, keeping up with the house, cooking, and having my son which leaves very little time after school to do all that. I have a very good electric pump, but I make minimal progress with it. Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse Life is an adventure in forgiveness. Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 Friday, March 9, 2007 2:55:56 PM Re: ideas.... Jess, if you're still working on getting your supply back up, here are a few tips: - let him suck whenever he wants, and make sure he's not using a soother to meet his sucking needs - try spending more some skin-to-skin time cuddling with your baby, or wearing him in a sling I know that can be difficult if you're at school, but maybe you could do that when you're home? Also, when your baby has been nursing for six months your breasts will stop feeling so full when it's feeding time, but that just means they're adjusting to nursing, not that there is less milk. Many women are worried when their breasts stop getting that really full feeling, but it does not usually indicate less milk. Often when women are nursing older babies their breasts stay soft all the time, but they are still producing lots of milk. Another thing that scares women into thinking they aren't producing much is when they try to pump and get very little. How much you can pump actually means very little. Your baby's mouth is very efficient at extracting your milk -- a pump is not, for many women. Your body knows the difference, and many women's bodies just do not let down for a pump (I have successfully nursed three large boys, but never seem to get more than about half an ounce when I pump or express). I don't know what your situation is but thought I'd send this along just in case it might help! There is a lot of very pervasive misinformation about breastfeeding out there. Please use or discard this as you see fit. Heather Jess wrote: > > We send formula with my son to daycare (since I'm in classes from > 9-4), but when he's home he breastfeeds. I was very devastated about > that, but my milk supply decreased and I've tried to keep it up, but > just couldn't. Plus, I'm not vegan, but we don't use a lot of milk (we > generally use silk when cooking). What about WIC as far as diapers and > other supplies? We're already on food stamps so I don't know how that > would work out. > > Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse > > Life is an adventure in forgiveness. > Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) > > > Kadee M <abbey_road3012@ > <abbey_ road3012% 40> > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com> > Thursday, March 8, 2007 10:37:07 PM > Re: ideas.... > > If you're vegan, you're outta luck. They'll buy you milk, cheese, > eggs, boxed cereal, baby formula (Enfamil Lipil unless your doctor > writes a note saying otherwise), beans... I can't remember what else. > You have to go to these BS nutrition classes that are going to be an > absolute bore to anyone who actually has a clue about human nutrition. > If you used formula, it'd be worth the time... we used Enfamil so it > saved us a ton of money. If it hadn't been for that we wouldn't have > bothered. > > Jess <veg4animals2006@ > wrote: How does WIC work exactly? We > were planning on setting up an appointment because were really cutting > it close paying bills, and have been relying on donations for diapers > and baby items. Is it worth our time? > > Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse > > Life is an adventure in forgiveness. > Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) > > > L Friend <mountain_laurel118 3 @> > @gro ups.com > Thursday, March 8, 2007 6:58:59 PM > Re: ideas.... > > I pretty much went off of WIC when I became veg, a couple months after > my daughter was born. Other than the beans, they don't really give you > anything that is really healthy for you. At first, they sent me a lot > of post cards, but then I moved so now I don't have to deal with them > anymore. I don't understand why they don't let you get fresh fruits > and veggies instead of canned juice (except carrots) and if you are > breastfeeding, they make you get tuna whether you will eat it or not. > I still have a lot of beans from them though, because I am lazy and > never plan out what I am going to eat in time to soak the beans so I > usually use a can. (I know, not the best. . .) > Laura > > Kadee M <abbey_road3012@ > wrote: > Ah, WIC. We were on WIC for a year after Jeffery was born, and I > swear those people are out to kill entire families. They wanted to > know every bit of the reason we don't eat meat, and it still wasn't > good enough. They did NOT like our diet!!! Who cares that the kids are > eating lots of plain fruits and vegetables and beans and other good > things. And I know for a fact they weren't hounding those fat women > who brought in their fat children the way they did me. Silly WIC. One > of the classes I went to was about iron. The lady teaching the class > asked us where you can get iron. Every type of meat was mentioned. > Someone even said milk but was corrected. I was the only one in a > really big class that said beans and spinach!! I started fuming when > the teacher said, " If your children are getting plenty of meat, > they're probably getting all the iron they need. " Bah!! Whatever, all > our blood iron levels were perfectly normal when they tested us. It's > probably normal in the > little fat > kids too. Hmph. > > Missie Ward <mszzzi (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: My son's first favorites were > kidney beans (we cut them in half when he > first started eating them) and small cubes of tofu (he still likes it, > plain > right from the box even now - and has only recently said he likes > 'hot' tofu > - which is tofu that has been cooked in any kind of manner LOL). > Garbanzos (chickpeas or as he says CARbonzos) are also very good (plus > they > have a lot of calcium). > > Some varieties of beans do not have added salt (we get some organic ones > that do not have salt, but we still rinse them because of the liquid being > a bit thick - it's carageenan I think). > > We never got hassled, but when our son was first eating solids, we were > lacto/ovo vegetarians (before we really figured out his milk allergy), and > we had to report once a month for the stuff he ate the day before our WIC > visit. Sigh. We were told he didn't get enough vitamin C even though > he ate > about a half to 3/4 of a cup of peppers that day...so I knew he was fine. > they told me he HAD to have juice with vit. C added. Sigh. > When they don't really know, you have to provide the information to them > (and even then some of them don't 'get' it). > > We also used to get plain unsweetened applesauce, and I made a lot of > my own > other fruit 'sauces' (pineapple, peach, pear, etc). You can probably find > some helpful books at the library - one of my favorites from those early, > unsure years was (and still is) Super Baby Foods. She's got lists in > there about what stuff has a high protein count. We are lucky in that our > Dr. never pushed anything on us, and she actually listens to what we > have to > say, and we work together to find solutions (especially in the early > months > when we had some problems ). > > Missie > > On 3/7/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012@ > wrote: > > > > She doesn't NEED meat, no matter what the doctor says. Beans have lots > > of protein, so do oatmeal and quinoa. Tofu is great if you can get > her to > > eat it. > > > > I get canned beans, whatever kind looks good (kidney beans are our > > favorite), then I rinse them in a colander to get some of the salt > off that > > they're packed with, and voila. Super fast, super easy, and very > healthy!! > > You can mash them up for little babies. Oatmeal has always been one > of my > > kids' favorites. Plain cooked oats and some mashed peaches or bananas or > > applesauce, or any other fruit. You can use jar baby food for that. You > > could do the same thing with quinoa and vegetable baby food. > > > > Stephanie <stargazerlily72@ <stargazerlily72% 40> > > wrote: > > Hi. I am new to the veggie thing and I am also a first time Mom. My > > daughter is starting to eat " regular " food and I was told by the ped. > > today that she needs meat or another source of protien. Simple for me > > to figure out for an adult but what about a baby/toddler? Does anyone > > have any sample menus or ideas? I really don't want to go the route of > > processed baby dinners. Thanks SO much. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kadee Sedtal > > > > Brain: " Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? " > > Pinky: " I think so, Brain, but if the plural of mouse is mice, wouldn't > > the plural of spouse be spice? " > > > > Check out my new , Classical 2 at > > http://launch. groups.. com classical2/ > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > > Browse Top Cars by " Green Rating " at Autos' Green Center. > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 oh, in my state, if it is on the coupon, you HAVE to get it, and you have to get exactly the number of cans/ounces/gallons or whatever. So maybe it depends on what state you live in. Missie Ward <mszzzi wrote: And juice. They pushed juice on us like it was going out of style. When we applied, only our son was eligible, and he was under 1yr, so all we got was milk, cheese (neither of which he could have with his allergy but it was still on the wic coupons we got) eggs, juice, baby cereal, dry beans/peas and formula. I don't know if what kind of formula you get depends on where you are, as we were given Similac on those (At least I'm pretty sure it was that one - they may have changed, or it may depend). Just because it is on the coupon, you do not have to pick it up, as we never got milk/cheese. Because I was nursing, we only got about 2 cans of formula a week - to supplement in his cereal. I think we always missed the classes though. If you use any of that stuff for you child, then it would be fine. I didn't like that they made me feel bad for NOT giving my son juice. I told them that him eating fresh fruit was better and juice was too sugary - to which they told me to get only the 100% juice. Right, because 5 apples worth of fruit sugar in a cup of juice is NOT a lot of sugar, uh huh. They just kind of stared at me like I was from Mars or something when I said that, and also that he preferred (and still does) ice water. So, we got to where we'd have these goofy meals the day before so I could track for them what he had according to what they wanted to hear. Missie On 3/8/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: > > If you're vegan, you're outta luck. They'll buy you milk, cheese, eggs, > boxed cereal, baby formula (Enfamil Lipil unless your doctor writes a note > saying otherwise), beans... I can't remember what else. You have to go to > these BS nutrition classes that are going to be an absolute bore to anyone > who actually has a clue about human nutrition. If you used formula, it'd be > worth the time... we used Enfamil so it saved us a ton of money. If it > hadn't been for that we wouldn't have bothered. > > Jess <veg4animals2006 <veg4animals2006%40>> wrote: How > does WIC work exactly? We were planning on setting up an appointment because > were really cutting it close paying bills, and have been relying on > donations for diapers and baby items. Is it worth our time? > > > Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse > > Life is an adventure in forgiveness. > Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) > > > L Friend <mountain_laurel1183<mountain_laurel1183%40> > > > <%40> > Thursday, March 8, 2007 6:58:59 PM > Re: ideas.... > > I pretty much went off of WIC when I became veg, a couple months after my > daughter was born. Other than the beans, they don't really give you anything > that is really healthy for you. At first, they sent me a lot of post cards, > but then I moved so now I don't have to deal with them anymore. I don't > understand why they don't let you get fresh fruits and veggies instead of > canned juice (except carrots) and if you are breastfeeding, they make you > get tuna whether you will eat it or not. I still have a lot of beans from > them though, because I am lazy and never plan out what I am going to eat in > time to soak the beans so I usually use a can. (I know, not the best. . .) > Laura > > Kadee M <abbey_road3012@ > wrote: > Ah, WIC. We were on WIC for a year after Jeffery was born, and I swear > those people are out to kill entire families. They wanted to know every bit > of the reason we don't eat meat, and it still wasn't good enough. They did > NOT like our diet!!! Who cares that the kids are eating lots of plain fruits > and vegetables and beans and other good things. And I know for a fact they > weren't hounding those fat women who brought in their fat children the way > they did me. Silly WIC. One of the classes I went to was about iron. The > lady teaching the class asked us where you can get iron. Every type of meat > was mentioned. Someone even said milk but was corrected. I was the only one > in a really big class that said beans and spinach!! I started fuming when > the teacher said, " If your children are getting plenty of meat, they're > probably getting all the iron they need. " Bah!! Whatever, all our blood iron > levels were perfectly normal when they tested us. It's probably normal in > the > little fat > kids too. Hmph. > > Missie Ward <mszzzi (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: My son's first favorites were > kidney beans (we cut them in half when he > first started eating them) and small cubes of tofu (he still likes it, > plain > right from the box even now - and has only recently said he likes 'hot' > tofu > - which is tofu that has been cooked in any kind of manner LOL). > Garbanzos (chickpeas or as he says CARbonzos) are also very good (plus > they > have a lot of calcium). > > Some varieties of beans do not have added salt (we get some organic ones > that do not have salt, but we still rinse them because of the liquid being > a bit thick - it's carageenan I think). > > We never got hassled, but when our son was first eating solids, we were > lacto/ovo vegetarians (before we really figured out his milk allergy), and > we had to report once a month for the stuff he ate the day before our WIC > visit. Sigh. We were told he didn't get enough vitamin C even though he > ate > about a half to 3/4 of a cup of peppers that day...so I knew he was fine. > they told me he HAD to have juice with vit. C added. Sigh. > When they don't really know, you have to provide the information to them > (and even then some of them don't 'get' it). > > We also used to get plain unsweetened applesauce, and I made a lot of my > own > other fruit 'sauces' (pineapple, peach, pear, etc). You can probably find > some helpful books at the library - one of my favorites from those early, > unsure years was (and still is) Super Baby Foods. She's got lists in > there about what stuff has a high protein count. We are lucky in that our > Dr. never pushed anything on us, and she actually listens to what we have > to > say, and we work together to find solutions (especially in the early > months > when we had some problems ). > > Missie > > On 3/7/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012@ > wrote: > > > > She doesn't NEED meat, no matter what the doctor says. Beans have lots > > of protein, so do oatmeal and quinoa. Tofu is great if you can get her > to > > eat it. > > > > I get canned beans, whatever kind looks good (kidney beans are our > > favorite), then I rinse them in a colander to get some of the salt off > that > > they're packed with, and voila. Super fast, super easy, and very > healthy!! > > You can mash them up for little babies. Oatmeal has always been one of > my > > kids' favorites. Plain cooked oats and some mashed peaches or bananas or > > applesauce, or any other fruit. You can use jar baby food for that. You > > could do the same thing with quinoa and vegetable baby food. > > > > Stephanie <stargazerlily72@ <stargazerlily72% 40> > > wrote: > > Hi. I am new to the veggie thing and I am also a first time Mom. My > > daughter is starting to eat " regular " food and I was told by the ped. > > today that she needs meat or another source of protien. Simple for me > > to figure out for an adult but what about a baby/toddler? Does anyone > > have any sample menus or ideas? I really don't want to go the route of > > processed baby dinners. Thanks SO much. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kadee Sedtal > > > > Brain: " Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? " > > Pinky: " I think so, Brain, but if the plural of mouse is mice, wouldn't > > the plural of spouse be spice? " > > > > Check out my new , Classical 2 at > > http://launch. groups.. com classical2/ > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > > Browse Top Cars by " Green Rating " at Autos' Green Center. > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 Brewers yeast tabs worked great for me! Heather Hossfeld <hlh4850 wrote: Jess, if you're still working on getting your supply back up, here are a few tips: - let him suck whenever he wants, and make sure he's not using a soother to meet his sucking needs - try spending more some skin-to-skin time cuddling with your baby, or wearing him in a sling I know that can be difficult if you're at school, but maybe you could do that when you're home? Also, when your baby has been nursing for six months your breasts will stop feeling so full when it's feeding time, but that just means they're adjusting to nursing, not that there is less milk. Many women are worried when their breasts stop getting that really full feeling, but it does not usually indicate less milk. Often when women are nursing older babies their breasts stay soft all the time, but they are still producing lots of milk. Another thing that scares women into thinking they aren't producing much is when they try to pump and get very little. How much you can pump actually means very little. Your baby's mouth is very efficient at extracting your milk -- a pump is not, for many women. Your body knows the difference, and many women's bodies just do not let down for a pump (I have successfully nursed three large boys, but never seem to get more than about half an ounce when I pump or express). I don't know what your situation is but thought I'd send this along just in case it might help! There is a lot of very pervasive misinformation about breastfeeding out there. Please use or discard this as you see fit. Heather Jess wrote: > > We send formula with my son to daycare (since I'm in classes from > 9-4), but when he's home he breastfeeds. I was very devastated about > that, but my milk supply decreased and I've tried to keep it up, but > just couldn't. Plus, I'm not vegan, but we don't use a lot of milk (we > generally use silk when cooking). What about WIC as far as diapers and > other supplies? We're already on food stamps so I don't know how that > would work out. > > Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse > > Life is an adventure in forgiveness. > Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) > > > Kadee M <abbey_road3012 > <abbey_road3012%40>> > <%40> > Thursday, March 8, 2007 10:37:07 PM > Re: ideas.... > > If you're vegan, you're outta luck. They'll buy you milk, cheese, > eggs, boxed cereal, baby formula (Enfamil Lipil unless your doctor > writes a note saying otherwise), beans... I can't remember what else. > You have to go to these BS nutrition classes that are going to be an > absolute bore to anyone who actually has a clue about human nutrition. > If you used formula, it'd be worth the time... we used Enfamil so it > saved us a ton of money. If it hadn't been for that we wouldn't have > bothered. > > Jess <veg4animals2006@ > wrote: How does WIC work exactly? We > were planning on setting up an appointment because were really cutting > it close paying bills, and have been relying on donations for diapers > and baby items. Is it worth our time? > > Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse > > Life is an adventure in forgiveness. > Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) > > > L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 @> > @gro ups.com > Thursday, March 8, 2007 6:58:59 PM > Re: ideas.... > > I pretty much went off of WIC when I became veg, a couple months after > my daughter was born. Other than the beans, they don't really give you > anything that is really healthy for you. At first, they sent me a lot > of post cards, but then I moved so now I don't have to deal with them > anymore. I don't understand why they don't let you get fresh fruits > and veggies instead of canned juice (except carrots) and if you are > breastfeeding, they make you get tuna whether you will eat it or not. > I still have a lot of beans from them though, because I am lazy and > never plan out what I am going to eat in time to soak the beans so I > usually use a can. (I know, not the best. . .) > Laura > > Kadee M <abbey_road3012@ > wrote: > Ah, WIC. We were on WIC for a year after Jeffery was born, and I > swear those people are out to kill entire families. They wanted to > know every bit of the reason we don't eat meat, and it still wasn't > good enough. They did NOT like our diet!!! Who cares that the kids are > eating lots of plain fruits and vegetables and beans and other good > things. And I know for a fact they weren't hounding those fat women > who brought in their fat children the way they did me. Silly WIC. One > of the classes I went to was about iron. The lady teaching the class > asked us where you can get iron. Every type of meat was mentioned. > Someone even said milk but was corrected. I was the only one in a > really big class that said beans and spinach!! I started fuming when > the teacher said, " If your children are getting plenty of meat, > they're probably getting all the iron they need. " Bah!! Whatever, all > our blood iron levels were perfectly normal when they tested us. It's > probably normal in the > little fat > kids too. Hmph. > > Missie Ward <mszzzi (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: My son's first favorites were > kidney beans (we cut them in half when he > first started eating them) and small cubes of tofu (he still likes it, > plain > right from the box even now - and has only recently said he likes > 'hot' tofu > - which is tofu that has been cooked in any kind of manner LOL). > Garbanzos (chickpeas or as he says CARbonzos) are also very good (plus > they > have a lot of calcium). > > Some varieties of beans do not have added salt (we get some organic ones > that do not have salt, but we still rinse them because of the liquid being > a bit thick - it's carageenan I think). > > We never got hassled, but when our son was first eating solids, we were > lacto/ovo vegetarians (before we really figured out his milk allergy), and > we had to report once a month for the stuff he ate the day before our WIC > visit. Sigh. We were told he didn't get enough vitamin C even though > he ate > about a half to 3/4 of a cup of peppers that day...so I knew he was fine. > they told me he HAD to have juice with vit. C added. Sigh. > When they don't really know, you have to provide the information to them > (and even then some of them don't 'get' it). > > We also used to get plain unsweetened applesauce, and I made a lot of > my own > other fruit 'sauces' (pineapple, peach, pear, etc). You can probably find > some helpful books at the library - one of my favorites from those early, > unsure years was (and still is) Super Baby Foods. She's got lists in > there about what stuff has a high protein count. We are lucky in that our > Dr. never pushed anything on us, and she actually listens to what we > have to > say, and we work together to find solutions (especially in the early > months > when we had some problems ). > > Missie > > On 3/7/07, Kadee M <abbey_road3012@ > wrote: > > > > She doesn't NEED meat, no matter what the doctor says. Beans have lots > > of protein, so do oatmeal and quinoa. Tofu is great if you can get > her to > > eat it. > > > > I get canned beans, whatever kind looks good (kidney beans are our > > favorite), then I rinse them in a colander to get some of the salt > off that > > they're packed with, and voila. Super fast, super easy, and very > healthy!! > > You can mash them up for little babies. Oatmeal has always been one > of my > > kids' favorites. Plain cooked oats and some mashed peaches or bananas or > > applesauce, or any other fruit. You can use jar baby food for that. You > > could do the same thing with quinoa and vegetable baby food. > > > > Stephanie <stargazerlily72@ <stargazerlily72% 40> > > wrote: > > Hi. I am new to the veggie thing and I am also a first time Mom. My > > daughter is starting to eat " regular " food and I was told by the ped. > > today that she needs meat or another source of protien. Simple for me > > to figure out for an adult but what about a baby/toddler? Does anyone > > have any sample menus or ideas? I really don't want to go the route of > > processed baby dinners. Thanks SO much. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kadee Sedtal > > > > Brain: " Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? " > > Pinky: " I think so, Brain, but if the plural of mouse is mice, wouldn't > > the plural of spouse be spice? " > > > > Check out my new , Classical 2 at > > http://launch. groups.. com classical2/ > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > > Browse Top Cars by " Green Rating " at Autos' Green Center. > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 How do you carry your baby around doing housework? I feel like I don't ever get anything done because if I put her in the Snugli (sorry, can't remember the actual word), I either hit her with the broom handle, splash water all over her doing dishes, or practically drop her on her head when I bend down to get something. It's worse than a pregnant tummy! I would LOVE to do housework with her, but haven't quite figured out how to do it. Thanks! Laura Linda Evans <veganlinda wrote: There are no " have to " or rules to " attachment parenting " . I belong to a local attachment parenting group with almost 100 moms and we all do different things. Some of them use strollers, some use disposable diapers, some use pacifiers, some work out of the home, some do not, some do different things based on their different children. I, personally, find it sooooo much easier to babywear all the time the first several months. I was up and out of the house a few hours after my second child was born. I never had that feeling of being trapped or not being able to get things done that some of my non-AP friends went through. I was able to go about my life, cook, clean, shower, do housework, run my business, go to meetings, teach classes, etc. all with the baby right there. It really makes things so much simpler and I never had to worry about checking on the baby, scheduling feedings, etc. It really is a convenience thing, not a hindrance. I sell baby carriers and teach babywearing classes and every one of my customers has come back saying what a life-saver babywearing has been for them. Some of them are " AP " , but many are not. Some of the babywear for years, some for a few months, but they all have found it helpful. Some of my friends who I introduced to wraps were at a LLL event a couple of days ago and they said that more people were interested in how to wear their babies (they had three babies between the three of them, all different ages, all happily being worn) than information on breastfeeding. :-) Linda --- Alexis Middle <alexismiddle wrote: > wow, does attachment parenting literally mean you > wear or carry your baby all the time - what if you > have to put him/her down (go to the bathroom, take a > shower, make dinner)? Just curios how you manage to > do it all and more power to you. > > > > chandelle' <earthmother213 > > Friday, March 9, 2007 7:55:03 AM > Re: ideas.... > > > we have saved SO MUCH money doing cloth diapers. we > spent $300 when my son > was born and have not spent another dime on diapers > since. we used his > older diapers for our new baby. and i can't even > describe how much money > you save being an attachment parent. no crib, no > plapyen, no bouncers, > swings or rockers, no canned food, no babysitters, > no strollers, and other > than myself, no bottles or formula. i highly > recommend it, if only to save > money! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please > visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for > materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list > and is not intended to provide personal medical > advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained > from a qualified health professional. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 jess - have you tried pumping hands-free? there is even one kind of hands-free pump that is cordless - you can just put it in your bra and go about your day. also, there are lots of herbs and foods that are galactogogues (increase milk supply). http://www.mobimotherhood.org/MM/article-diet.aspx the most important thing is to have the baby on as much as possible. nothing will stimulate your supply so much as having the baby at the breast. co-sleeping can be excellent for raising supply because the baby can be on more or less constantly. also, i know several women who nurse and work and use the weekends as nursing marathons. they just go to bed for the weekend, ar at the very least stay naked practically all the time and have the baby constantly skin-to-skin, in a sling if they have to get around. just having the baby skin-to-skin will increase supply, actually. maybe your husband will have to take over house duties for a while to give you an opportunity to really give breastfeeding the time and effort needed. if you don't have to worry about cooking or keeping up the house, then you can focus on your baby and bringing up your supply. maybe you can get help from friends or family too, or figure out some very quick meals to make, or have some stuff frozen, or just give it up and let the house go for a while because the house will always be there, but the opportunity to breastfeed will not. in any case, when you are home, make sure the baby is satisfying all of his (her?) sucking needs at the breast, as much as you possible can. also, if it really is impossible for you to pump very much, many women successfully breastfeed only during certain times. it's the same supply/demand thing. if you nurse only in the evenings and at night, you will produce milk primarily in the evenings and at night. you just have to decide whether or not you want to commit yourself to nursing a lot at those times and using donated/pumped milk or formula the rest of the time. here is an excellent website for women having major nursing issues, especially with supply: http://www.mobimotherhood.org/MM/default.aspx here's an article specifically dealing with chronic low supply: http://www.mobimotherhood.org/MM/article-LMS.aspx some women have a very difficult time producing milk for a pump. i was one of those mothers. letting down for a pump is a learned art, and one that i never did learn very well myself, which was awful because that was the only way i could get milk into my daughter. just remember, how much you produce with a pump is NOT indicative of how much milk you are actually producing. there is so much crap information out there about breastfeeding - you mentioned the very common myth that the nutrients in breastmilk are inadequate after the first 6 months. try to focus your information-gathering efforts on groups like kellymom, MOBI, and LLL, and ignore ANYTHING that ANY food or formula company has to tell you. and pretty much any governmental organization too, since they get a lot of kickbacks from crappy companies and therefore cannot be trusted to provide good information. basically, if someone will benefit from you believing what they have to say because it will end up with you giving them money, ignore it. good luck. chandelle' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 I usually do a back carry for housework and cooking. Keeps the little one out of harm's way. :-) I don't suggest one shoulder carriers for housework although with my first I did get an amazing amount of laundry and cleaning done with ds in the ring sling, but there are so many easier ways! It takes practice, finding the carrier that works right for you, and proper positioning. Back carries are a life-saver. I love wraps because you can put a very little one on your back in wrap with no worries. Check out http://mamatoto.org/ for great tips. You might also have a local NINO group that could help out. (http://www.nineinnineout.org/) Linda --- L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 wrote: > How do you carry your baby around doing housework? I > feel like I don't ever get anything done because if > I put her in the Snugli (sorry, can't remember the > actual word), I either hit her with the broom > handle, splash water all over her doing dishes, or > practically drop her on her head when I bend down to > get something. It's worse than a pregnant tummy! > I would LOVE to do housework with her, but haven't > quite figured out how to do it. > Thanks! > Laura > > Linda Evans <veganlinda wrote: > There are no " have to " or rules to > " attachment > parenting " . I belong to a local attachment parenting > group with almost 100 moms and we all do different > things. Some of them use strollers, some use > disposable diapers, some use pacifiers, some work > out > of the home, some do not, some do different things > based on their different children. > > I, personally, find it sooooo much easier to > babywear > all the time the first several months. I was up and > out of the house a few hours after my second child > was > born. I never had that feeling of being trapped or > not being able to get things done that some of my > non-AP friends went through. I was able to go about > my life, cook, clean, shower, do housework, run my > business, go to meetings, teach classes, etc. all > with > the baby right there. It really makes things so much > simpler and I never had to worry about checking on > the > baby, scheduling feedings, etc. It really is a > convenience thing, not a hindrance. I sell baby > carriers and teach babywearing classes and every one > of my customers has come back saying what a > life-saver > babywearing has been for them. Some of them are > " AP " , > but many are not. Some of the babywear for years, > some for a few months, but they all have found it > helpful. Some of my friends who I introduced to > wraps > were at a LLL event a couple of days ago and they > said > that more people were interested in how to wear > their > babies (they had three babies between the three of > them, all different ages, all happily being worn) > than > information on breastfeeding. :-) > > Linda > --- Alexis Middle <alexismiddle wrote: > > > wow, does attachment parenting literally mean you > > wear or carry your baby all the time - what if you > > have to put him/her down (go to the bathroom, take > a > > shower, make dinner)? Just curios how you manage > to > > do it all and more power to you. > > > > > > > > chandelle' <earthmother213 > > > > Friday, March 9, 2007 7:55:03 AM > > Re: ideas.... > > > > > > we have saved SO MUCH money doing cloth diapers. > we > > spent $300 when my son > > was born and have not spent another dime on > diapers > > since. we used his > > older diapers for our new baby. and i can't even > > describe how much money > > you save being an attachment parent. no crib, no > > plapyen, no bouncers, > > swings or rockers, no canned food, no babysitters, > > no strollers, and other > > than myself, no bottles or formula. i highly > > recommend it, if only to save > > money! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please > > visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and > for > > materials especially useful for families go to > > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion > list > > and is not intended to provide personal medical > > advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > > qualified health professional. > > > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained > > from a qualified health professional. > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2007 i have been through a bunch of different wraps/slings/carriers and the one that works best for me, especially with FMS, is a mei tai. it distributes the weight across both shoulders and can be used in lots of different positions. it's also quite " condensing " of the baby's mass so i can do most housework (barring lots of bending over, not because i can't do it, but because it annoys her) without bashing anything into her. it also protects her from splashing water. i CAN bend over without a risk of her falling out or even needing to reposition her but, as i said, it annoys her. if she's asleep i can do it anyway. i got mine from kozy and it is amazing. it's beautiful and durable and my husband even uses it to carry our 2 y/o on walks with the dogs. the best wrap i ever had was one i made myself from one lo-o-o-o-o-ong strip of fabric. it fell apart because i didn't really know how to sew, but it was really the best for positioning, comfort, and weight distribution. similar wraps like the one i made would be the storchenwiege and the moby. chandelle' On 3/9/07, L Friend <mountain_laurel1183 wrote: > > How do you carry your baby around doing housework? I feel like I don't > ever get anything done because if I put her in the Snugli (sorry, can't > remember the actual word), I either hit her with the broom handle, splash > water all over her doing dishes, or practically drop her on her head when I > bend down to get something. It's worse than a pregnant tummy! I would > LOVE to do housework with her, but haven't quite figured out how to do it. > Thanks! > Laura > > Linda Evans <veganlinda wrote: > There are no " have to " or rules to " attachment > parenting " . I belong to a local attachment parenting > group with almost 100 moms and we all do different > things. Some of them use strollers, some use > disposable diapers, some use pacifiers, some work out > of the home, some do not, some do different things > based on their different children. > > I, personally, find it sooooo much easier to babywear > all the time the first several months. I was up and > out of the house a few hours after my second child was > born. I never had that feeling of being trapped or > not being able to get things done that some of my > non-AP friends went through. I was able to go about > my life, cook, clean, shower, do housework, run my > business, go to meetings, teach classes, etc. all with > the baby right there. It really makes things so much > simpler and I never had to worry about checking on the > baby, scheduling feedings, etc. It really is a > convenience thing, not a hindrance. I sell baby > carriers and teach babywearing classes and every one > of my customers has come back saying what a life-saver > babywearing has been for them. Some of them are " AP " , > but many are not. Some of the babywear for years, > some for a few months, but they all have found it > helpful. Some of my friends who I introduced to wraps > were at a LLL event a couple of days ago and they said > that more people were interested in how to wear their > babies (they had three babies between the three of > them, all different ages, all happily being worn) than > information on breastfeeding. :-) > > Linda > --- Alexis Middle <alexismiddle wrote: > > > wow, does attachment parenting literally mean you > > wear or carry your baby all the time - what if you > > have to put him/her down (go to the bathroom, take a > > shower, make dinner)? Just curios how you manage to > > do it all and more power to you. > > > > > > > > chandelle' <earthmother213 > > > > Friday, March 9, 2007 7:55:03 AM > > Re: ideas.... > > > > > > we have saved SO MUCH money doing cloth diapers. we > > spent $300 when my son > > was born and have not spent another dime on diapers > > since. we used his > > older diapers for our new baby. and i can't even > > describe how much money > > you save being an attachment parent. no crib, no > > plapyen, no bouncers, > > swings or rockers, no canned food, no babysitters, > > no strollers, and other > > than myself, no bottles or formula. i highly > > recommend it, if only to save > > money! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please > > visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for > > materials especially useful for families go to > > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list > > and is not intended to provide personal medical > > advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > > qualified health professional. > > > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained > > from a qualified health professional. > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Thanks for the info. I know breastfeeding is the best option, but our lives are so hectic (there are many factors I haven't mentioned) and I don't really have a problem feeding him 8 oz of formula a day. Hands-free pumps are expensive and we don't have the money. Before we started feeding him solids I produced plenty of milk, but that was also before I began school. I know that other pyschological factors can effect my supply, but I'm not that worried about it anymore. Thanks, again ladies! I'm glad everyone here is so supportive. Jessica, Robert, and Baby Jesse Life is an adventure in forgiveness. Norman Cousins (1915 - 1990) chandelle' <earthmother213 Friday, March 9, 2007 4:26:04 PM Re: ideas.... jess - have you tried pumping hands-free? there is even one kind of hands-free pump that is cordless - you can just put it in your bra and go about your day. also, there are lots of herbs and foods that are galactogogues (increase milk supply). http://www.mobimoth erhood.org/ MM/article- diet.aspx the most important thing is to have the baby on as much as possible. nothing will stimulate your supply so much as having the baby at the breast. co-sleeping can be excellent for raising supply because the baby can be on more or less constantly. also, i know several women who nurse and work and use the weekends as nursing marathons. they just go to bed for the weekend, ar at the very least stay naked practically all the time and have the baby constantly skin-to-skin, in a sling if they have to get around. just having the baby skin-to-skin will increase supply, actually. maybe your husband will have to take over house duties for a while to give you an opportunity to really give breastfeeding the time and effort needed. if you don't have to worry about cooking or keeping up the house, then you can focus on your baby and bringing up your supply. maybe you can get help from friends or family too, or figure out some very quick meals to make, or have some stuff frozen, or just give it up and let the house go for a while because the house will always be there, but the opportunity to breastfeed will not. in any case, when you are home, make sure the baby is satisfying all of his (her?) sucking needs at the breast, as much as you possible can. also, if it really is impossible for you to pump very much, many women successfully breastfeed only during certain times. it's the same supply/demand thing. if you nurse only in the evenings and at night, you will produce milk primarily in the evenings and at night. you just have to decide whether or not you want to commit yourself to nursing a lot at those times and using donated/pumped milk or formula the rest of the time. here is an excellent website for women having major nursing issues, especially with supply: http://www.mobimoth erhood.org/ MM/default. aspx here's an article specifically dealing with chronic low supply: http://www.mobimoth erhood.org/ MM/article- LMS.aspx some women have a very difficult time producing milk for a pump. i was one of those mothers. letting down for a pump is a learned art, and one that i never did learn very well myself, which was awful because that was the only way i could get milk into my daughter. just remember, how much you produce with a pump is NOT indicative of how much milk you are actually producing. there is so much crap information out there about breastfeeding - you mentioned the very common myth that the nutrients in breastmilk are inadequate after the first 6 months. try to focus your information- gathering efforts on groups like kellymom, MOBI, and LLL, and ignore ANYTHING that ANY food or formula company has to tell you. and pretty much any governmental organization too, since they get a lot of kickbacks from crappy companies and therefore cannot be trusted to provide good information. basically, if someone will benefit from you believing what they have to say because it will end up with you giving them money, ignore it. good luck. chandelle' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2007 Kozy is a great Mei Tai, but I find my customers with large children need something different after a while. I can still put my seven year old in Kozy so it is sturdy enough, but it isn't comfy for me especially for long periods of time after the baby gets bigger/older. I find a lot of my customers prefer the Kozy, but I like the smaller body for the Mei Tai Baby and the Sachi for my children. There are also good instructions on the internet to make your own mei tai. The mamatoto site has great info for people who want to make their own wrap from fabric. She also has instructions on how to use every day objects you have around the house like a shirt, towel, etc. as a carrier. A friend of mine got quite good at a kanga carry with a beach towel. The Moby and the Storch are VERY different wraps. Not really comparable, in my opinion. The Moby is a stretchy wrap with a different shape than the woven Storch. They have a completely different feel. The Moby is lighter and nice for smaller babies, but the Storch will support a baby from birth well into heavier weights and ages. The Storch also has more grip. The Storch and Didymos are similar (both German made organic woven wraps - high end). The Moby, the Hug-a-bub, and the Ultimate are similar (all stretchy fabric, the Ultimate actually has some Lycra so it is the stretchiest and the Hug-a-bub is probably the best made). Stretchy fabric is great for small children, but does not give enough support for larger children. There is no one right carrier. Everyone has their favorites and sometimes it changes with different children or as they age. I like different carriers based on what we would be doing. I would use a mei tai if I was going to be standing out a protest for a couple hours when my kids were little...then this changed to the Ergo, a pouch for quick in and out grocery shopping, a podaegi for times when my child would be getting up and down, the Ergo for unloading our coop truck or walking a lot in downtown Chicago, the Patapum for mowing the lawn, solarveil Hotsling pouch for the shower and at the beach, a wrap for almost any occasion, but different lengths for different times. A friend of mine made me a gauze wrap that I loved in hot weather and used for a wedding when ds2 was a few weeks old, but it wasn't support when ds2 was six months old. When making your own wrap it is very important to look at fabric stretch, grip, etc. If I was stranded on a dessert island though, I would go for a 4.2m woven wrap. :-) You don't need 10 carriers to wear your child. I just need to keep up on what is out there so I'm happy to use them all. Linda --- chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: > i have been through a bunch of different > wraps/slings/carriers and the one > that works best for me, especially with FMS, is a > mei tai. it distributes > the weight across both shoulders and can be used in > lots of different > positions. it's also quite " condensing " of the > baby's mass so i can do most > housework (barring lots of bending over, not because > i can't do it, but > because it annoys her) without bashing anything into > her. it also > protects her from splashing water. i CAN bend over > without a risk of her > falling out or even needing to reposition her but, > as i said, it annoys > her. if she's asleep i can do it anyway. i got > mine from kozy and it is > amazing. it's beautiful and durable and my husband > even uses it to carry > our 2 y/o on walks with the dogs. the best wrap > i ever had was one i > made myself from one lo-o-o-o-o-ong strip of fabric. > it fell apart because > i didn't really know how to sew, but it was really > the best for positioning, > comfort, and weight distribution. similar wraps > like the one i made would > be the storchenwiege and the moby. > > chandelle' Linda http://triballife.net/ A Marketplace for a Better World ______________________________\ ____ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545367 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2007 I know this is not for everyone, but having had difficulty with both my children and breast feeding, I found Domperidone to be very benefical. For what ever reasons, I have not produced enough milk initially. This was especially difficult for my first child as I believe this and being tongue-tied led her to refuse the breast. I did not immediately know of a solution, and it took some time to resolve the situation. For my second child I was able to successfully breastfeed ( and am still doing so today). I never was able to pump more than an ounce at a time, but I did pump with my first for more than a year. I did have to supplement with formula. With my second child, who continued to nurse I was able to exclusively breastfeed after starting the domperidone. It can be costly, so you would have to look at your finances. But with me, after jumpstarting the breast milk production I weaned off of it both times. Chandelle's link below discusses this in further detail. chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: jess - have you tried pumping hands-free? there is even one kind of hands-free pump that is cordless - you can just put it in your bra and go about your day. also, there are lots of herbs and foods that are galactogogues (increase milk supply). http://www.mobimotherhood.org/MM/article-diet.aspx the most important thing is to have the baby on as much as possible. nothing will stimulate your supply so much as having the baby at the breast. co-sleeping can be excellent for raising supply because the baby can be on more or less constantly. also, i know several women who nurse and work and use the weekends as nursing marathons. they just go to bed for the weekend, ar at the very least stay naked practically all the time and have the baby constantly skin-to-skin, in a sling if they have to get around. just having the baby skin-to-skin will increase supply, actually. maybe your husband will have to take over house duties for a while to give you an opportunity to really give breastfeeding the time and effort needed. if you don't have to worry about cooking or keeping up the house, then you can focus on your baby and bringing up your supply. maybe you can get help from friends or family too, or figure out some very quick meals to make, or have some stuff frozen, or just give it up and let the house go for a while because the house will always be there, but the opportunity to breastfeed will not. in any case, when you are home, make sure the baby is satisfying all of his (her?) sucking needs at the breast, as much as you possible can. also, if it really is impossible for you to pump very much, many women successfully breastfeed only during certain times. it's the same supply/demand thing. if you nurse only in the evenings and at night, you will produce milk primarily in the evenings and at night. you just have to decide whether or not you want to commit yourself to nursing a lot at those times and using donated/pumped milk or formula the rest of the time. here is an excellent website for women having major nursing issues, especially with supply: http://www.mobimotherhood.org/MM/default.aspx here's an article specifically dealing with chronic low supply: http://www.mobimotherhood.org/MM/article-LMS.aspx some women have a very difficult time producing milk for a pump. i was one of those mothers. letting down for a pump is a learned art, and one that i never did learn very well myself, which was awful because that was the only way i could get milk into my daughter. just remember, how much you produce with a pump is NOT indicative of how much milk you are actually producing. there is so much crap information out there about breastfeeding - you mentioned the very common myth that the nutrients in breastmilk are inadequate after the first 6 months. try to focus your information-gathering efforts on groups like kellymom, MOBI, and LLL, and ignore ANYTHING that ANY food or formula company has to tell you. and pretty much any governmental organization too, since they get a lot of kickbacks from crappy companies and therefore cannot be trusted to provide good information. basically, if someone will benefit from you believing what they have to say because it will end up with you giving them money, ignore it. good luck. chandelle' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 12, 2007 i would definitely recommend dom above the usual drugs given in the US. it has less side effects and is more effective. you have to get it from out of the country, but it is legal to obtain it, although it might be costly. i got mine through an online pharmacy, which sounds scary, because it is, but it was recommended to me by several other mothers who used it to get dom, and they were very fair in their charges and very quick in their shipping. i paid $50 for 3 weeks supply of dom, which is a very good price. chandelle' On 3/11/07, Laura Ballinger Morales <lballinger wrote: > > I know this is not for everyone, but having had difficulty with both my > children and breast feeding, I found Domperidone to be very benefical. For > what ever reasons, I have not produced enough milk initially. This was > especially difficult for my first child as I believe this and being > tongue-tied led her to refuse the breast. I did not immediately know of a > solution, and it took some time to resolve the situation. For my second > child I was able to successfully breastfeed ( and am still doing so > today). I never was able to pump more than an ounce at a time, but I did > pump with my first for more than a year. I did have to supplement with > formula. With my second child, who continued to nurse I was able to > exclusively breastfeed after starting the domperidone. It can be costly, so > you would have to look at your finances. But with me, after jumpstarting > the breast milk production I weaned off of it both times. Chandelle's link > below discusses this in further detail. > > chandelle' <earthmother213 wrote: jess - have you > tried pumping hands-free? there is even one kind of > hands-free pump that is cordless - you can just put it in your bra and go > about your day. also, there are lots of herbs and foods that are > galactogogues (increase milk supply). > > http://www.mobimotherhood.org/MM/article-diet.aspx > > the most important thing is to have the baby on as much as possible. > nothing will stimulate your supply so much as having the baby at the > breast. co-sleeping can be excellent for raising supply because the baby > can be on more or less constantly. also, i know several women who nurse > and > work and use the weekends as nursing marathons. they just go to bed for > the > weekend, ar at the very least stay naked practically all the time and have > the baby constantly skin-to-skin, in a sling if they have to get around. > just having the baby skin-to-skin will increase supply, actually. maybe > your husband will have to take over house duties for a while to give you > an > opportunity to really give breastfeeding the time and effort needed. if > you > don't have to worry about cooking or keeping up the house, then you can > focus on your baby and bringing up your supply. maybe you can get help > from > friends or family too, or figure out some very quick meals to make, or > have > some stuff frozen, or just give it up and let the house go for a while > because the house will always be there, but the opportunity to breastfeed > will not. in any case, when you are home, make sure the baby is satisfying > all of his (her?) sucking needs at the breast, as much as you possible > can. > > also, if it really is impossible for you to pump very much, many women > successfully breastfeed only during certain times. it's the same > supply/demand thing. if you nurse only in the evenings and at night, you > will produce milk primarily in the evenings and at night. you just have to > decide whether or not you want to commit yourself to nursing a lot at > those > times and using donated/pumped milk or formula the rest of the time. > > here is an excellent website for women having major nursing issues, > especially with supply: > > http://www.mobimotherhood.org/MM/default.aspx > > here's an article specifically dealing with chronic low supply: > > http://www.mobimotherhood.org/MM/article-LMS.aspx > > some women have a very difficult time producing milk for a pump. i was one > of those mothers. letting down for a pump is a learned art, and one that i > never did learn very well myself, which was awful because that was the > only > way i could get milk into my daughter. just remember, how much you produce > with a pump is NOT indicative of how much milk you are actually producing. > > there is so much crap information out there about breastfeeding - you > mentioned the very common myth that the nutrients in breastmilk are > inadequate after the first 6 months. try to focus your > information-gathering efforts on groups like kellymom, MOBI, and LLL, and > ignore ANYTHING that ANY food or formula company has to tell you. and > pretty much any governmental organization too, since they get a lot of > kickbacks from crappy companies and therefore cannot be trusted to provide > good information. basically, if someone will benefit from you believing > what they have to say because it will end up with you giving them money, > ignore it. > > good luck. > > chandelle' > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 13, 2007 i really need to use a sling to help me carry my heavy 13 month old. she tells me often when she needs to pee now, so i need to be able to get her out of it quick. i injured my back quite badly last week, by carrying her around on my hip all the time. i like the idea of a wrap sling with her on my back, just not sure how long it'll take to get her out of there... anyone have any advice? The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 13, 2007 It really is all about you getting comfortable with the carrier. I could get my 2 year old out of the wrap just as quick as a sling or a mei tai. We did elimination communication so I totally understand the need to get them out quick. :-) I didn't usually totally unwrap to get him out. Linda --- naomiwilkes <naomiwilkes wrote: > i really need to use a sling to help me carry my > heavy 13 month old. she tells me often when she > needs to pee now, so i need to be able to get her > out of it quick. i injured my back quite badly last > week, by carrying her around on my hip all the time. > i like the idea of a wrap sling with her on my back, > just not sure how long it'll take to get her out of > there... anyone have any advice? > > > > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Search > Marketing. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Linda http://triballife.net/ A Marketplace for a Better World ______________________________\ ____ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396546091 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
