Guest guest Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Imagine a conversation between http://www.treeoflife.nu/tolhp1.html Dr. Gabriel Cousens, MD, MD (H) (http://www.treeoflife.nu/tolhp1.html ) and Dr. Douglas Graham, DC (http://www.doctorgraham.cc/). Dr. Cousens recommends eating very little fruit in one's diet, suggesting evidence that this is the cause of many degenerative diseases. Dr. Graham counters this by saying fat is actually the culprit in illnesses like hypoglycemia, because it prevents sugar from being carried out through arterial walls. Both seem to have a lot of experience both personally and professionally. Both appear very knowledgable on the workings of the human body. Further, Dr. Cousens demands that supplementation is absolutely necessary, while Dr. Graham disagrees. One question for Dr. Graham might regard the b12 issue. This difference of opinion also goes beyond the basic knowledge that different diets work for different people. It is widely agreed by most professionals I have encountered that one should, in the end, listen only to one's own body. However, the issue here delves into specifics about how certain foods (eg. unrefined sea salt, flax oil, avacados, etc.) affect the human body. And it isnt just between these two doctors. There are many schools of thought even within the raw food community. Everything from eating raw meat to eating all fruit. From suggesting optimal health is impossible without supplements to saying optimal health is impossible with supplements. I dont think any of us will come up with the " right " answer here. However, it would be an interesting conversation to see between these two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 It's true there are so many varying opinions. Yet another one from Virginia Vetrano. In her book Errors in Hygiene she cites many problems that fruitarians run into. She cites many case histories. It is quite interesting because a lot of the problems seem to stem from lack of protein. And surprisingly a couple of ounces of nuts a day, can reverse many problems. " She says have no fear of nuts. You should not fear eating a slight excess of nut or seed proteins. They are not damaging like animal proteins. They contain more minerals and do not cause the leaching of calcium. In fact they supply us with calcium, phosphorous and magnesium, as well as the proteins, and all in correct proportions to form bone. " Her book is a very interesting read, and with her background and work in the " raw movement " , I find a lot of credibility in what she writes. Vegigran Dr. Cousens recommends eating very little fruit in one's diet, suggesting evidence that this is the cause of many degenerative diseases. Dr. Graham counters this by saying fat is actually the culprit in illnesses like hypoglycemia, because it prevents sugar from being carried out through arterial walls. Both seem to have a lot of experience both personally and professionally. Both appear very knowledgable on the workings of the human body. Further, Dr. Cousens demands that supplementation is absolutely necessary, while Dr. Graham disagrees. One question for Dr. Graham might regard the b12 issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 so many articles on 'don't buy into the protein myth' that are basically saying you can get all your protein from fruits and veg alone now this saying there are protein deficiencies some would say that is impossible I wish I had access to a full on lab where I could run tests on my self or other will volunteers. I'd like to get people that believe in all the different things like high fat, no/low fat, differing protein levels and run tests are there ways to test for protein deficiencies? On Dec 20, 2004, at 7:22 PM, Vegigran wrote: > > It's true there are so many varying opinions. Yet another one from > Virginia Vetrano. In her book Errors in Hygiene she cites many > problems that fruitarians run into. She cites many case histories. > It is quite interesting because a lot of the problems seem to stem > from lack of protein. And surprisingly a couple of ounces of nuts a > day, can reverse many problems. " She says have no fear of nuts. You > should not fear eating a slight excess of nut or seed proteins. They > are not damaging like animal proteins. They contain more minerals and > do not cause the leaching of calcium. In fact they supply us with > calcium, phosphorous and magnesium, as well as the proteins, and all > in correct proportions to form bone. " Her book is a very interesting > read, and with her background and work in the " raw movement " , I find a > lot of credibility in what she writes. > Vegigran > > > > Dr. Cousens recommends eating very little fruit in one's diet, > suggesting evidence that this is the cause of many degenerative > diseases. Dr. Graham counters this by saying fat is actually the > culprit in illnesses like hypoglycemia, because it prevents sugar > from being carried out through arterial walls. Both seem to have a > lot of experience both personally and professionally. Both appear > very knowledgable on the workings of the human body. Further, Dr. > Cousens demands that supplementation is absolutely necessary, while > Dr. Graham disagrees. One question for Dr. Graham might regard the > b12 issue. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 <<<<I'd like to get people that believe in all the different things like high fat, no/low fat, differing protein levels and run tests are there ways to test for protein deficiencies?>>>>> John, I'm sure there are. I've been a vegetarian for twenty years and slowly worked my way up to raw for the past four years. One complaint that I see a lot of people on raw and high fruit is the loss of enamel on their teeth. I've always had great teeth, so never was concerned about it. But a few months ago, I started noticing enamel loss and sensitivity on my front teeth. Makes me wonder when I was on the SAD, my teeth were great and now with the vegan something is not right. Virginia Vetrano states it's the lack of protein and cites examples of it. Maybe we do need more protein than we think. We are probably using more protein cleaning up after these previous lifestyles. Who knows, but we should take heed when those doing the vegan raw foods start telling of their health declines and problems. Vegigran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 I don't have problems with my teeth when I stay away from simple sugar(s). A raw vegan diet leaves lots of room for things that will leach the calcium out of your teeth. Vegetable fat will do it, for example, if you eat enough to throw your body into negative mineral balance. Coffee, " Diet food " and sugar substitutes will do it. Diet cokes will do it, big time. Any acidic food will do it. Lots of pineapple, oranges and citrus fruits will do it! Ron rawfood , " Vegigran " <vegigran@h...> wrote: > <<<<I'd like to get people that believe in all > the different things like high fat, no/low fat, differing protein levels and run tests are there ways to test for protein deficiencies? >>>>> > > John, I'm sure there are. I've been a vegetarian for twenty years and slowly worked my way up to raw for the past four years. One complaint that I see a lot of people on raw and high fruit is the loss of enamel on their teeth. I've always had great teeth, so never was concerned about it. But a few months ago, I started noticing enamel loss and sensitivity on my front teeth. Makes me wonder when I was on the SAD, my teeth were great and now with the vegan something is not right. Virginia Vetrano states it's the lack of protein and cites examples of it. Maybe we do need more protein than we think. We are probably using more protein cleaning up after these previous lifestyles. Who knows, but we should take heed when those doing the vegan raw foods start telling of their health declines and problems. > Vegigran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 Sorry to hear about that, Vegigran; would you mind sharing with us what your basic diet is like? Thanks...Valerie Vegigran <vegigran wrote: <<<<I'd like to get people that believe in all the different things like high fat, no/low fat, differing protein levels and run tests are there ways to test for protein deficiencies?>>>>> John, I'm sure there are. I've been a vegetarian for twenty years and slowly worked my way up to raw for the past four years. One complaint that I see a lot of people on raw and high fruit is the loss of enamel on their teeth. I've always had great teeth, so never was concerned about it. But a few months ago, I started noticing enamel loss and sensitivity on my front teeth. Makes me wonder when I was on the SAD, my teeth were great and now with the vegan something is not right. Virginia Vetrano states it's the lack of protein and cites examples of it. Maybe we do need more protein than we think. We are probably using more protein cleaning up after these previous lifestyles. Who knows, but we should take heed when those doing the vegan raw foods start telling of their health declines and problems. Vegigran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 <<<<<Vegigran; would you mind sharing with us what your basic diet is like?>>>>> Simple, very simple. I love fruit smoothies and eat just about all kinds of fruits. To get enough minerals I also add greens to my fruit smoothies and then have a salad every night. I do eat baked potatoes and squash and steam my veggies some of the time with my evening meal. I try to go 100%, but am just not satisfied, get weak and lose weight. This summer is when I tried going 80/10/10 like Dr Graham recommends and shortly thereafter noticed the enamel loss on my teeth. So I have read up as much as I can and listened to others. Added 2 ounces of nuts/seeds to my daily diet, brush teeth with soap and avoid glicerine. Eating a lot of calcium foods. I have much more energy when I add more protein to my diet and do not feel quite so tired. Vegigran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 <<<<<I don't have problems with my teeth when I stay away from simple sugar(s). A raw vegan diet leaves lots of room for things that will leach the calcium out of your teeth. Vegetable fat will do it, for example, if you eat enough to throw your body into negative mineral balance. Coffee, " Diet food " and sugar substitutes will do it. Diet cokes will do it, big time. Any acidic food will do it. Lots of pineapple, oranges and citrus fruits will do it! Hi Ron, I am really surprised because I eat so many greens. Never did drink coffee or soft drinks. But well I do eat lots of pineapples, oranges and citrus fruits, and I was always careful to rinse afterwards. You would think that fruit being the ideal food for humans, would not cause any problems. Thanks, Vegigran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Vegigran <vegigran wrote:<<<<<I don't have problems with my teeth when I stay away from simple sugar(s). A raw vegan diet leaves lots of room for things that will leach the calcium out of your teeth. Vegetable fat will do it, for example, if you eat enough to throw your body into negative mineral balance. Coffee, " Diet food " and sugar substitutes will do it. Diet cokes will do it, big time. Any acidic food will do it. Lots of pineapple, oranges and citrus fruits will do it! Hi Ron, I am really surprised because I eat so many greens. Never did drink coffee or soft drinks. But well I do eat lots of pineapples, oranges and citrus fruits, and I was always careful to rinse afterwards. You would think that fruit being the ideal food for humans, would not cause any problems. Thanks, Vegigran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 As I understand it, the problem is not the action of the acid directly on your teeth. The problem is that when it gets to your blood and changes the pH of your blood, then your body has to do something to bring the pH back down to the level that your body requires. The only way your body can do this is by taking calcium and other alkaline minerals out of your bones (which causes osteoporosis) and/or out of your teeth, which may be the problem you are complaining about. The solution is less citrus fruit and more veggies. Ron Arawfood , " Vegigran " <vegigran@h...> wrote: > <<<<<I don't have problems with my teeth when I stay away from simple > sugar(s). A raw vegan diet leaves lots of room for things that will > leach the calcium out of your teeth. Vegetable fat will do it, for > example, if you eat enough to throw your body into negative mineral > balance. Coffee, " Diet food " and sugar substitutes will do it. > Diet cokes will do it, big time. Any acidic food will do it. Lots > of pineapple, oranges and citrus fruits will do it! > > Hi Ron, I am really surprised because I eat so many greens. Never did drink coffee or soft drinks. But well I do eat lots of pineapples, oranges and citrus fruits, and I was always careful to rinse afterwards. You would think that fruit being the ideal food for humans, would not cause any problems. > Thanks, > Vegigran > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Hi, Vegigran, Thanks so much for taking time to respond to my question. A couple of things stood out to me: First, you said the enamel loss appeared shortly after trying the 80/10/10 program. My understanding is that enamel loss occurs over a period of time, and is more likely to be a result of something else unrelated to attempting the all raw diet. Also, concerning fatigue, one thing I've come across is low calorie intake. It takes eating a lot of fruit to balance out our calorie needs once we've stabilized in other ways. I also have found myself wondering what kind of impact things like distilled water, etc., have on our teeth. When we go from a totally SAD way of life to another, especially when we 've been SAD for 45 years or more, our body have a harder time re-adjusting to the switch in nutrients. Absolutely NO proof of any of that,just wondering. Oh, and one more thing--I've read that part of the calcium problem may be lack of exposure to sunshine on a regular basis. I know I've sung this song before (sorry, folks!), but our body responds to everything we do, exercise, rest, etc., in order to provide our body with what it needs. Speaking of rest, I think I better head toward bed....good night everyone! Peace, Valerie Vegigran <vegigran wrote: <<<<<Vegigran; would you mind sharing with us what your basic diet is like?>>>>> Simple, very simple. I love fruit smoothies and eat just about all kinds of fruits. To get enough minerals I also add greens to my fruit smoothies and then have a salad every night. I do eat baked potatoes and squash and steam my veggies some of the time with my evening meal. I try to go 100%, but am just not satisfied, get weak and lose weight. This summer is when I tried going 80/10/10 like Dr Graham recommends and shortly thereafter noticed the enamel loss on my teeth. So I have read up as much as I can and listened to others. Added 2 ounces of nuts/seeds to my daily diet, brush teeth with soap and avoid glicerine. Eating a lot of calcium foods. I have much more energy when I add more protein to my diet and do not feel quite so tired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Valerie, I agree absolutely with what you say. It's hard to pin point any one thing because so many things like previous diet, lifestyle, environment, age, genes, all have an impact on the state of our health. One thing that seems to go hand in hand with the loss of teeth enamel is the loss of hair. Well I have a very thick head of hair and very little gray (about 3-5%) for my age. So how can you figure. What works for one person does not always work or hold true for the next. Our bodies are all in differing states of health and must be treated as so. There is just not one size fits all when it comes to improving our lifestyles. We must all work at our own pace and find what will work for us. Thanks, Vegigran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 <<<<<The only way your body can do this is by taking calcium and other alkaline minerals out of your bones (which causes osteoporosis) and/or out of your teeth, which may be the problem you are complaining about. The solution is less citrus fruit and more veggies.>>>> Ron, That is my concern as I know this is how the blood alkalizes it's self and getting older I don't want to face osteoporosis. It was my understanding that even though citrus fruits are acid, they are still alkaline in the blood. Thanks, Vegigran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 I wonder about this idea of going out in the sun. Because I have developed skin cancer, I have been told to stay out of the sun. Could some of you more experienced folks enlighten me. Thanks , Lane - Valerie Mills Daly rawfood Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:42 PM Re: [Raw Food] High fruit/low fat vs. High fat/low fruit Hi, Vegigran, Thanks so much for taking time to respond to my question. A couple of things stood out to me: First, you said the enamel loss appeared shortly after trying the 80/10/10 program. My understanding is that enamel loss occurs over a period of time, and is more likely to be a result of something else unrelated to attempting the all raw diet. Also, concerning fatigue, one thing I've come across is low calorie intake. It takes eating a lot of fruit to balance out our calorie needs once we've stabilized in other ways. I also have found myself wondering what kind of impact things like distilled water, etc., have on our teeth. When we go from a totally SAD way of life to another, especially when we 've been SAD for 45 years or more, our body have a harder time re-adjusting to the switch in nutrients. Absolutely NO proof of any of that,just wondering. Oh, and one more thing--I've read that part of the calcium problem may be lack of exposure to sunshine on a regular basis. I know I've sung this song before (sorry, folks!), but our body responds to everything we do, exercise, rest, etc., in order to provide our body with what it needs. Speaking of rest, I think I better head toward bed....good night everyone! Peace, Valerie Vegigran <vegigran wrote: <<<<<Vegigran; would you mind sharing with us what your basic diet is like?>>>>> Simple, very simple. I love fruit smoothies and eat just about all kinds of fruits. To get enough minerals I also add greens to my fruit smoothies and then have a salad every night. I do eat baked potatoes and squash and steam my veggies some of the time with my evening meal. I try to go 100%, but am just not satisfied, get weak and lose weight. This summer is when I tried going 80/10/10 like Dr Graham recommends and shortly thereafter noticed the enamel loss on my teeth. So I have read up as much as I can and listened to others. Added 2 ounces of nuts/seeds to my daily diet, brush teeth with soap and avoid glicerine. Eating a lot of calcium foods. I have much more energy when I add more protein to my diet and do not feel quite so tired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Ron if this is true, then the folks here who are experiencing problems with loss of tooth enamel, should also be having problems with osteoporosis. Could the those with teeth problems tell us if they are also experiencing bone loss? Thanks Lane - rlmftw rawfood Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:40 PM Re: [Raw Food] High fruit/low fat vs. High fat/low fruit As I understand it, the problem is not the action of the acid directly on your teeth. The problem is that when it gets to your blood and changes the pH of your blood, then your body has to do something to bring the pH back down to the level that your body requires. The only way your body can do this is by taking calcium and other alkaline minerals out of your bones (which causes osteoporosis) and/or out of your teeth, which may be the problem you are complaining about. The solution is less citrus fruit and more veggies. Ron Arawfood , " Vegigran " <vegigran@h...> wrote: > <<<<<I don't have problems with my teeth when I stay away from simple > sugar(s). A raw vegan diet leaves lots of room for things that will > leach the calcium out of your teeth. Vegetable fat will do it, for > example, if you eat enough to throw your body into negative mineral > balance. Coffee, " Diet food " and sugar substitutes will do it. > Diet cokes will do it, big time. Any acidic food will do it. Lots > of pineapple, oranges and citrus fruits will do it! > > Hi Ron, I am really surprised because I eat so many greens. Never did drink coffee or soft drinks. But well I do eat lots of pineapples, oranges and citrus fruits, and I was always careful to rinse afterwards. You would think that fruit being the ideal food for humans, would not cause any problems. > Thanks, > Vegigran > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 I just joined two kefir groups. I am learning all about kefir and the varieties of products so I can add that to my raw diet. Little did I know, that drinking kefir can wear down the enamel on teeth. One group in particular suggests that you either rinse your mouth after drinking it, or brush your teeth to limit this from happening. Just wanted to pass that along. Sasha ---- rawfood 12/22/04 17:40:37 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] High fruit/low fat vs. High fat/low fruit <<<<<Vegigran; would you mind sharing with us what your basic diet is like?>>>>> Simple, very simple. I love fruit smoothies and eat just about all kinds of fruits. To get enough minerals I also add greens to my fruit smoothies and then have a salad every night. I do eat baked potatoes and squash and steam my veggies some of the time with my evening meal. I try to go 100%, but am just not satisfied, get weak and lose weight. This summer is when I tried going 80/10/10 like Dr Graham recommends and shortly thereafter noticed the enamel loss on my teeth. So I have read up as much as I can and listened to others. Added 2 ounces of nuts/seeds to my daily diet, brush teeth with soap and avoid glicerine. Eating a lot of calcium foods. I have much more energy when I add more protein to my diet and do not feel quite so tired. Vegigran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Hi, Lane, I'm so sorry to hear of the skin cancer! What I have heard recently from Dr. Graham (this very question came up at our seminar) is that we should get some sun either early or late in date, avoiding the sun in mid-day. He said the sun is not the problem causing the cancer, it is the lack of nutrition and poor diet that feeds the cancers. But I don't know what could be recommended once you actually have ben diagnosed with skin cancer. Someone else here might have more specific information. He also said that if there is an area that is very susceptible to buring, to protect it by using something that will block the sun from the area. Wear hats, etc., and he uses mud on his nose as a block. (He mentioned something else as well, but I don't recall what it was, sorry!) Peace, Valerie lane lynn <lanie wrote: I wonder about this idea of going out in the sun. Because I have developed skin cancer, I have been told to stay out of the sun. Could some of you more experienced folks enlighten me. Thanks , Lane Meet the all-new My – Try it today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 For feeding the hair root, and growth of a continued healthy head of hair juice carrot, lettuce, celery, cucumber, alfalfa, spinach, (green bell pepper - optional). Taken from Fresh Vegetable and Fruit Juices from N.S. Walker D.Sc. Also, I have been using honey, and a lot of it, as well as molasses for many years, and now I add them to my juicing routine. It is said of molasses, in particular, that your hair stays its natural color for years longer than if you did not have it in your diet. Sasha ---- rawfood 12/22/04 19:11:00 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] High fruit/low fat vs. High fat/low fruit Valerie, I agree absolutely with what you say. It's hard to pin point any one thing because so many things like previous diet, lifestyle, environment, age, genes, all have an impact on the state of our health. One thing that seems to go hand in hand with the loss of teeth enamel is the loss of hair. Well I have a very thick head of hair and very little gray (about 3-5%) for my age. So how can you figure. What works for one person does not always work or hold true for the next. Our bodies are all in differing states of health and must be treated as so. There is just not one size fits all when it comes to improving our lifestyles. We must all work at our own pace and find what will work for us. Thanks, Vegigran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Lorriane Day also addresses skin cancer in her video, You Can't Improve on God. Valerie Mills Daly <valdaly wrote: Hi, Lane, I'm so sorry to hear of the skin cancer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 02:40:15AM -0000, rlmftw wrote: > > > > As I understand it, the problem is not the action of the acid > directly on your teeth. The problem is that when it gets to your > blood and changes the pH of your blood, then your body has to do > something to bring the pH back down to the level that your body > requires. > > The only way your body can do this is by taking calcium and other > alkaline minerals out of your bones (which causes osteoporosis) > and/or out of your teeth, which may be the problem you are > complaining about. > > The solution is less citrus fruit and more veggies. > I've always read that citrus alkalizes your body. That all fruit does actually. That isn't true? also, from what you say, there is no need to worry about drinking orange juice through a staw then right? I have heard people do this thinking they are saving their teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 That's been my understanding as well, John; when I do a lot of citrus juice, I use a straw, and still rinse immediately with water just to be sure. peace, Valerie johnd <john wrote: I've always read that citrus alkalizes your body. That all fruit does actually. That isn't true? also, from what you say, there is no need to worry about drinking orange juice through a staw then right? I have heard people do this thinking they are saving their teeth. Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 I wear a texas ten-gallon hat or a Mexican sombrero, or Panama hat. I've had 5-6 skin cancers burned off my face. Ron rawfood , " lane lynn " <lanie@p...> wrote: > I wonder about this idea of going out in the sun. Because I have developed skin cancer, I have been told to stay out of the sun. Could some of you more experienced folks enlighten me. Thanks , Lane > - > Valerie Mills Daly > rawfood > Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:42 PM > Re: [Raw Food] High fruit/low fat vs. High fat/low fruit > > > Hi, Vegigran, > > Thanks so much for taking time to respond to my question. > > A couple of things stood out to me: First, you said the enamel loss appeared shortly after trying the 80/10/10 program. My understanding is that enamel loss occurs over a period of time, and is more likely to be a result of something else unrelated to attempting the all raw diet. Also, concerning fatigue, one thing I've come across is low calorie intake. It takes eating a lot of fruit to balance out our calorie needs once we've stabilized in other ways. > > I also have found myself wondering what kind of impact things like distilled water, etc., have on our teeth. When we go from a totally SAD way of life to another, especially when we 've been SAD for 45 years or more, our body have a harder time re-adjusting to the switch in nutrients. Absolutely NO proof of any of that,just wondering. > > Oh, and one more thing--I've read that part of the calcium problem may be lack of exposure to sunshine on a regular basis. I know I've sung this song before (sorry, folks!), but our body responds to everything we do, exercise, rest, etc., in order to provide our body with what it needs. > > Speaking of rest, I think I better head toward bed....good night everyone! > > Peace, > Valerie > > Vegigran <vegigran@h...> wrote: > <<<<<Vegigran; would you mind sharing with us what your basic diet is like?>>>>> > > Simple, very simple. I love fruit smoothies and eat just about all kinds of fruits. To get enough minerals I also add greens to my fruit smoothies and then have a salad every night. I do eat baked potatoes and squash and steam my veggies some of the time with my evening meal. I try to go 100%, but am just not satisfied, get weak and lose weight. This summer is when I tried going 80/10/10 like Dr Graham recommends and shortly thereafter noticed the enamel loss on my teeth. So I have read up as much as I can and listened to others. Added 2 ounces of nuts/seeds to my daily diet, brush teeth with soap and avoid glicerine. Eating a lot of calcium foods. I have much more energy when I add more protein to my diet and do not feel quite so tired. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 I'm not a doctor. I've read some books and seen some internet posts that explain that poor dental health and osteoporosis are both associated with eatng SAD. Individuals are different, but the older we get, the more likely reality is to catch up with us. I'm in my sixth day of my progressive renunciation of SAD. I'm not really one to be preaching. Yesterday I bought a bag of avocadoes because they were on sale for $1.99. They probably contain as much fat and oil as a 5-lb steak! It's vegetable oil, not animal, but that is not going to save me. I'm still working on my own problems. Ron rawfood , " lane lynn " <lanie@p...> wrote: > Ron if this is true, then the folks here who are experiencing problems with loss of tooth enamel, should also be having problems with osteoporosis. Could the those with teeth problems tell us if they are also experiencing bone loss? Thanks Lane > - > rlmftw > rawfood > Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:40 PM > Re: [Raw Food] High fruit/low fat vs. High fat/low fruit > > > > > As I understand it, the problem is not the action of the acid > directly on your teeth. The problem is that when it gets to your > blood and changes the pH of your blood, then your body has to do > something to bring the pH back down to the level that your body > requires. > > The only way your body can do this is by taking calcium and other > alkaline minerals out of your bones (which causes osteoporosis) > and/or out of your teeth, which may be the problem you are > complaining about. > > The solution is less citrus fruit and more veggies. > > Ron > > > Arawfood , " Vegigran " <vegigran@h...> wrote: > > <<<<<I don't have problems with my teeth when I stay away from > simple > > sugar(s). A raw vegan diet leaves lots of room for things that > will > > leach the calcium out of your teeth. Vegetable fat will do it, > for > > example, if you eat enough to throw your body into negative > mineral > > balance. Coffee, " Diet food " and sugar substitutes will do it. > > Diet cokes will do it, big time. Any acidic food will do it. > Lots > > of pineapple, oranges and citrus fruits will do it! > > > > Hi Ron, I am really surprised because I eat so many greens. > Never did drink coffee or soft drinks. But well I do eat lots of > pineapples, oranges and citrus fruits, and I was always careful to > rinse afterwards. You would think that fruit being the ideal food > for humans, would not cause any problems. > > Thanks, > > Vegigran > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Where did you get the idea that citric acid is alkaline? Acid is acid. Ron rawfood , johnd <john@j...> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 02:40:15AM -0000, rlmftw wrote: > > > > > > > > As I understand it, the problem is not the action of the acid > > directly on your teeth. The problem is that when it gets to your > > blood and changes the pH of your blood, then your body has to do > > something to bring the pH back down to the level that your body > > requires. > > > > The only way your body can do this is by taking calcium and other > > alkaline minerals out of your bones (which causes osteoporosis) > > and/or out of your teeth, which may be the problem you are > > complaining about. > > > > The solution is less citrus fruit and more veggies. > > > > I've always read that citrus alkalizes your body. That all fruit does > actually. That isn't true? > > also, from what you say, there is no need to worry about drinking > orange juice through a staw then right? I have heard people do > this thinking they are saving their teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 I've had this experience also. Fruits are very filling, due to the fiber content I'm sure, and I find it is almost impossible to get any where close to my calorie requirement eating fruit alone. I become full very quickly with fruit. I also find that i'm more satisfied when I include veggies nuts and other foods. rawfood , Valerie Mills Daly <valdaly> wrote: > Hi, Vegigran,Also, concerning fatigue, one thing I've come across is low calorie intake. It takes eating a lot of fruit to balance out our calorie needs once we've stabilized in other ways. I know I've sung this song before (sorry, folks!), but our body responds to everything we do, exercise, rest, etc., in order to provide our body with what it needs. > Peace, > Valerie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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