Guest guest Posted August 6, 2001 Report Posted August 6, 2001 WOW! Thanks for the impressive reply Angie! I've been meaning to ask that question for a while now, I'm glad I finally did. Thanks for your advice and wealth of knowledge! Jane - " Angie Wright " <angiewright Sunday, August 05, 2001 11:47 PM Re: Do vivisectors deserve all they get? Discuss. > Companies that are the most ethical will say on their products " product > and ingredients not tested by us or our suppliers since 1992 " > If nothing is said --- they test > If it's a well known company --they probably test or someone does it for > them > If they say --against animal testing ---that means nothing as they are not > saying they don't do it > If they say -product not tested -that means the ingredients might be > Assume they are guilty until they make it really clear > CO-OP and some small ethical companies that supply health stores are OK as > long as the wording is like I wrote at the start > > The 5-year rolling plan I see as a con trick It means that a substance > that was tested on animals in 1995and1996 will be used in the products > Anything tested in 1997 will not be used yet But it could well be in the > year 2002 All they are doing is waiting a few years .Animals have still > been used > the body shop used to use the 5 yr rolling plan and even tho' they say they > have stopped it now I don't trust them they should never have used that > system while pretending they were cruelty -free so I still won't use their > products > Beauty without cruelty was famous for being the 1st [probably] company to > produce cruelty -free cosmetics and they were all vegan I believe the new > owners are lying to the public because they have not said they are now using > the 5 year rolling plan NOR is it possible to get an address to write to > at the health store I've asked many times. > Angie > > > > - > " Jane Cuming " <jane.cuming > > Sunday, August 05, 2001 4:39 PM > Re: Do vivisectors deserve all they get? Discuss. > > > > What does the five year rolling plan mean? I still have some Body Shop > > products, and I have some Tesco toiletries which say that neither the > > product nor the ingredients were tested on animals. Can anyone explain > this > > to me please? Thanks everso much! > > > > p.s. I hope some of you checked out the www.helpthedogs.org link that I > > gave on Friday. > > > > Jane > > > > > > - > > " Heartwork " <Heartwork > > > > Sunday, August 05, 2001 3:44 PM > > Re: Do vivisectors deserve all they get? Discuss. > > > > > > > Angie > > > > > > > I never used Body shop once i found that they used the 5 year rolling > > plan > > > > Beauty without cruelty has been taken over and I've heard that they > now > > do > > > > this also Luckily I bought up old stock during the change I haven't > > been > > > > able to confirm this tho' Many people will still be using it because > of > > > the > > > > name Does anyone Know ???? > > > > > > Beauty Without Cruelty is on a five-year rolling plan. I remember > reading > > > it in either the Vegan or the Vegetarian magazine. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2001 Report Posted August 7, 2001 Angie A someof them say 'ingredients and product not tested on animals since 1976'. Jo > Companies that are the most ethical will say on their products " product > and ingredients not tested by us or our suppliers since 1992 " > If nothing is said --- they test > If it's a well known company --they probably test or someone does it for > them > If they say --against animal testing ---that means nothing as they are not > saying they don't do it > If they say -product not tested -that means the ingredients might be > Assume they are guilty until they make it really clear > CO-OP and some small ethical companies that supply health stores are OK as > long as the wording is like I wrote at the start > > The 5-year rolling plan I see as a con trick It means that a substance > that was tested on animals in 1995and1996 will be used in the products > Anything tested in 1997 will not be used yet But it could well be in the > year 2002 All they are doing is waiting a few years .Animals have still > been used > the body shop used to use the 5 yr rolling plan and even tho' they say they > have stopped it now I don't trust them they should never have used that > system while pretending they were cruelty -free so I still won't use their > products > Beauty without cruelty was famous for being the 1st [probably] company to > produce cruelty -free cosmetics and they were all vegan I believe the new > owners are lying to the public because they have not said they are now using > the 5 year rolling plan NOR is it possible to get an address to write to > at the health store I've asked many times. > Angie > > > > - > " Jane Cuming " <jane.cuming > > Sunday, August 05, 2001 4:39 PM > Re: Do vivisectors deserve all they get? Discuss. > > > > What does the five year rolling plan mean? I still have some Body Shop > > products, and I have some Tesco toiletries which say that neither the > > product nor the ingredients were tested on animals. Can anyone explain > this > > to me please? Thanks everso much! > > > > p.s. I hope some of you checked out the www.helpthedogs.org link that I > > gave on Friday. > > > > Jane > > > > > > - > > " Heartwork " <Heartwork > > > > Sunday, August 05, 2001 3:44 PM > > Re: Do vivisectors deserve all they get? Discuss. > > > > > > > Angie > > > > > > > I never used Body shop once i found that they used the 5 year rolling > > plan > > > > Beauty without cruelty has been taken over and I've heard that they > now > > do > > > > this also Luckily I bought up old stock during the change I haven't > > been > > > > able to confirm this tho' Many people will still be using it because > of > > > the > > > > name Does anyone Know ???? > > > > > > Beauty Without Cruelty is on a five-year rolling plan. I remember > reading > > > it in either the Vegan or the Vegetarian magazine. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2001 Report Posted August 7, 2001 Probably ,I just used that date to explain the 5 yr rolling plan Angie - " Heartwork " <Heartwork Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:33 PM Re: Do vivisectors deserve all they get? Discuss. > Angie > > A someof them say 'ingredients and product not tested on animals since > 1976'. > > Jo > > > > Companies that are the most ethical will say on their products " product > > and ingredients not tested by us or our suppliers since 1992 " > > If nothing is said --- they test > > If it's a well known company --they probably test or someone does it for > > them > > If they say --against animal testing ---that means nothing as they are > not > > saying they don't do it > > If they say -product not tested -that means the ingredients might be > > Assume they are guilty until they make it really clear > > CO-OP and some small ethical companies that supply health stores are OK > as > > long as the wording is like I wrote at the start > > > > The 5-year rolling plan I see as a con trick It means that a substance > > that was tested on animals in 1995and1996 will be used in the products > > Anything tested in 1997 will not be used yet But it could well be in the > > year 2002 All they are doing is waiting a few years .Animals have still > > been used > > the body shop used to use the 5 yr rolling plan and even tho' they say > they > > have stopped it now I don't trust them they should never have used that > > system while pretending they were cruelty -free so I still won't use their > > products > > Beauty without cruelty was famous for being the 1st [probably] company to > > produce cruelty -free cosmetics and they were all vegan I believe the new > > owners are lying to the public because they have not said they are now > using > > the 5 year rolling plan NOR is it possible to get an address to write to > > at the health store I've asked many times. > > Angie > > > > > > > > - > > " Jane Cuming " <jane.cuming > > > > Sunday, August 05, 2001 4:39 PM > > Re: Do vivisectors deserve all they get? Discuss. > > > > > > > What does the five year rolling plan mean? I still have some Body Shop > > > products, and I have some Tesco toiletries which say that neither the > > > product nor the ingredients were tested on animals. Can anyone explain > > this > > > to me please? Thanks everso much! > > > > > > p.s. I hope some of you checked out the www.helpthedogs.org link that I > > > gave on Friday. > > > > > > Jane > > > > > > > > > - > > > " Heartwork " <Heartwork > > > > > > Sunday, August 05, 2001 3:44 PM > > > Re: Do vivisectors deserve all they get? Discuss. > > > > > > > > > > Angie > > > > > > > > > I never used Body shop once i found that they used the 5 year > rolling > > > plan > > > > > Beauty without cruelty has been taken over and I've heard that they > > now > > > do > > > > > this also Luckily I bought up old stock during the change I > haven't > > > been > > > > > able to confirm this tho' Many people will still be using it because > > of > > > > the > > > > > name Does anyone Know ???? > > > > > > > > Beauty Without Cruelty is on a five-year rolling plan. I remember > > reading > > > > it in either the Vegan or the Vegetarian magazine. > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > Quote
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