RE: Do vivisectors deserve all they get? Discuss.

[Guest guest]

WOW! Thanks for the impressive reply Angie! I've been meaning to ask that

question for a while now, I'm glad I finally did. Thanks for your advice and

wealth of knowledge!

 

Jane

 

 

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" Angie Wright " <angiewright

 

Sunday, August 05, 2001 11:47 PM

Re: Do vivisectors deserve all they get? Discuss.

 

 

> Companies that are the most ethical will say on their products " product

> and ingredients not tested by us or our suppliers since 1992 "

> If nothing is said --- they test

> If it's a well known company --they probably test or someone does it for

> them

> If they say --against animal testing ---that means nothing as they are

not

> saying they don't do it

> If they say -product not tested -that means the ingredients might be

> Assume they are guilty until they make it really clear

> CO-OP and some small ethical companies that supply health stores are OK

as

> long as the wording is like I wrote at the start

>

> The 5-year rolling plan I see as a con trick It means that a substance

> that was tested on animals in 1995and1996 will be used in the products

> Anything tested in 1997 will not be used yet But it could well be in the

> year 2002 All they are doing is waiting a few years .Animals have still

> been used

> the body shop used to use the 5 yr rolling plan and even tho' they say

they

> have stopped it now I don't trust them they should never have used that

> system while pretending they were cruelty -free so I still won't use their

> products

> Beauty without cruelty was famous for being the 1st [probably] company to

> produce cruelty -free cosmetics and they were all vegan I believe the new

> owners are lying to the public because they have not said they are now

using

> the 5 year rolling plan NOR is it possible to get an address to write to

> at the health store I've asked many times.

> Angie

>

>

>

> -

> " Jane Cuming " <jane.cuming

>

> Sunday, August 05, 2001 4:39 PM

> Re: Do vivisectors deserve all they get? Discuss.

>

>

> > What does the five year rolling plan mean? I still have some Body Shop

> > products, and I have some Tesco toiletries which say that neither the

> > product nor the ingredients were tested on animals. Can anyone explain

> this

> > to me please? Thanks everso much!

> >

> > p.s. I hope some of you checked out the www.helpthedogs.org link that I

> > gave on Friday.

> >

> > Jane

> >

> >

> > -

> > " Heartwork " <Heartwork

> >

> > Sunday, August 05, 2001 3:44 PM

> > Re: Do vivisectors deserve all they get? Discuss.

> >

> >

> > > Angie

> > >

> > > > I never used Body shop once i found that they used the 5 year

rolling

> > plan

> > > > Beauty without cruelty has been taken over and I've heard that they

> now

> > do

> > > > this also Luckily I bought up old stock during the change I

haven't

> > been

> > > > able to confirm this tho' Many people will still be using it because

> of

> > > the

> > > > name Does anyone Know ????

> > >

> > > Beauty Without Cruelty is on a five-year rolling plan. I remember

> reading

> > > it in either the Vegan or the Vegetarian magazine.

> > >

> > > Jo

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To send an email to -

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Angie

 

A someof them say 'ingredients and product not tested on animals since

1976'.

 

Jo

 

 

> Companies that are the most ethical will say on their products " product

> and ingredients not tested by us or our suppliers since 1992 "

> If nothing is said --- they test

> If it's a well known company --they probably test or someone does it for

> them

> If they say --against animal testing ---that means nothing as they are

not

> saying they don't do it

> If they say -product not tested -that means the ingredients might be

> Assume they are guilty until they make it really clear

> CO-OP and some small ethical companies that supply health stores are OK

as

> long as the wording is like I wrote at the start

>

> The 5-year rolling plan I see as a con trick It means that a substance

> that was tested on animals in 1995and1996 will be used in the products

> Anything tested in 1997 will not be used yet But it could well be in the

> year 2002 All they are doing is waiting a few years .Animals have still

> been used

> the body shop used to use the 5 yr rolling plan and even tho' they say

they

> have stopped it now I don't trust them they should never have used that

> system while pretending they were cruelty -free so I still won't use their

> products

> Beauty without cruelty was famous for being the 1st [probably] company to

> produce cruelty -free cosmetics and they were all vegan I believe the new

> owners are lying to the public because they have not said they are now

using

> the 5 year rolling plan NOR is it possible to get an address to write to

> at the health store I've asked many times.

> Angie

>

>

>

> -

> " Jane Cuming " <jane.cuming

>

> Sunday, August 05, 2001 4:39 PM

> Re: Do vivisectors deserve all they get? Discuss.

>

>

> > What does the five year rolling plan mean? I still have some Body Shop

> > products, and I have some Tesco toiletries which say that neither the

> > product nor the ingredients were tested on animals. Can anyone explain

> this

> > to me please? Thanks everso much!

> >

> > p.s. I hope some of you checked out the www.helpthedogs.org link that I

> > gave on Friday.

> >

> > Jane

> >

> >

> > -

> > " Heartwork " <Heartwork

> >

> > Sunday, August 05, 2001 3:44 PM

> > Re: Do vivisectors deserve all they get? Discuss.

> >

> >

> > > Angie

> > >

> > > > I never used Body shop once i found that they used the 5 year

rolling

> > plan

> > > > Beauty without cruelty has been taken over and I've heard that they

> now

> > do

> > > > this also Luckily I bought up old stock during the change I

haven't

> > been

> > > > able to confirm this tho' Many people will still be using it because

> of

> > > the

> > > > name Does anyone Know ????

> > >

> > > Beauty Without Cruelty is on a five-year rolling plan. I remember

> reading

> > > it in either the Vegan or the Vegetarian magazine.

> > >

> > > Jo

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To send an email to -

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Probably ,I just used that date to explain the 5 yr rolling plan Angie

 

 

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" Heartwork " <Heartwork

 

Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:33 PM

Re: Do vivisectors deserve all they get? Discuss.

 

 

> Angie

>

> A someof them say 'ingredients and product not tested on animals since

> 1976'.

>

> Jo

>

>

> > Companies that are the most ethical will say on their products

" product

> > and ingredients not tested by us or our suppliers since 1992 "

> > If nothing is said --- they test

> > If it's a well known company --they probably test or someone does it

for

> > them

> > If they say --against animal testing ---that means nothing as they are

> not

> > saying they don't do it

> > If they say -product not tested -that means the ingredients might be

> > Assume they are guilty until they make it really clear

> > CO-OP and some small ethical companies that supply health stores are OK

> as

> > long as the wording is like I wrote at the start

> >

> > The 5-year rolling plan I see as a con trick It means that a substance

> > that was tested on animals in 1995and1996 will be used in the products

> > Anything tested in 1997 will not be used yet But it could well be in the

> > year 2002 All they are doing is waiting a few years .Animals have still

> > been used

> > the body shop used to use the 5 yr rolling plan and even tho' they say

> they

> > have stopped it now I don't trust them they should never have used

that

> > system while pretending they were cruelty -free so I still won't use

their

> > products

> > Beauty without cruelty was famous for being the 1st [probably] company

to

> > produce cruelty -free cosmetics and they were all vegan I believe the

new

> > owners are lying to the public because they have not said they are now

> using

> > the 5 year rolling plan NOR is it possible to get an address to write

to

> > at the health store I've asked many times.

> > Angie

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > " Jane Cuming " <jane.cuming

> >

> > Sunday, August 05, 2001 4:39 PM

> > Re: Do vivisectors deserve all they get? Discuss.

> >

> >

> > > What does the five year rolling plan mean? I still have some Body

Shop

> > > products, and I have some Tesco toiletries which say that neither the

> > > product nor the ingredients were tested on animals. Can anyone

explain

> > this

> > > to me please? Thanks everso much!

> > >

> > > p.s. I hope some of you checked out the www.helpthedogs.org link that

I

> > > gave on Friday.

> > >

> > > Jane

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > " Heartwork " <Heartwork

> > >

> > > Sunday, August 05, 2001 3:44 PM

> > > Re: Do vivisectors deserve all they get?

Discuss.

> > >

> > >

> > > > Angie

> > > >

> > > > > I never used Body shop once i found that they used the 5 year

> rolling

> > > plan

> > > > > Beauty without cruelty has been taken over and I've heard that

they

> > now

> > > do

> > > > > this also Luckily I bought up old stock during the change I

> haven't

> > > been

> > > > > able to confirm this tho' Many people will still be using it

because

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > name Does anyone Know ????

> > > >

> > > > Beauty Without Cruelty is on a five-year rolling plan. I remember

> > reading

> > > > it in either the Vegan or the Vegetarian magazine.

> > > >

> > > > Jo

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To send an email to

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> > > >

> > > >