Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2007 Life and quality of life can be equated together.Living in a human body is like having a hamster.Breathe's air, needs lots of love and affection to flourish.Needs proper nurtition, such as minerals and vitamins.although I have a background heavy in the electrical sciences.My personal interest and research has convinved me that thereis an optimum diet for all human creatures. That is of course, thosewithout any serious ailments. I am totally sold on a dietary regimen thatI believe will not only help us to live longer, but to enjoy the life that we do havemuch more. With proper nutrition we think clearer, we are generally in a better mood,and we have the energy and strength to do so many more enjoyable things. Just my thoughts on the topic. I want to mention that although I believe that I have foundthe fountain of youth, and aspire to live it, I have not yet, but I am working toward followingthe dietary guidelines and the math all add's up to reall numbers with real results shown with lab results and documentation from several hospitals. fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: Dr McDougal is local MD who advocates a strict vegetarian dieti think this article was taken out of contextyes, potatoes are a wonderful food, but you couldn't just survive off of themhe advocates a healthy veggie diet for a variety of ailments...he has some hip expensive clinic up in the North Bayhe has also been criticized lately amongst certain circles for being too "commercial"for what its worth.........>metalscarab <metalscarab >>Jun 8, 2007 5:32 AM> >Re: Re: politics>>Again "primary source" - that's not the same as "only source". Incidentally,>having studied 19th century Russia and Poland for my undergraduate degree,>I'm very well aware that the maximum life expectancy was 40 years old, and>the average life was about 33. Not a great advert for their diet.>>With regard to the experiment you cite - could you point me in the direction>of the peer reviewed journal in which it was published. An ad hoc report in>the newsletter of someone who seems to have a significant lack of>nutritional knowledge, and clearly an agenda to push, is hardly a good>reference.>>Incidentally, is "Dr" McDougal a real Dr, and if so, what is his Doctorate>in?>>BB>Peter>>->"Raptor1000" <raptor1000 (AT) comcast (DOT) net>>>Friday, June 08, 2007 5:54 AM>Re: Re: politics>>>> http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/apr/dairy.htm>>>> Potatoes Alone Suffice>>>> Many populations, for example people in rural Poland and Russia at the>> turn of the 19th century, have lived in very good health doing extremely>> hard work with the white potato serving as their primary source of>> nutrition. One landmark experiment carried out in 1925 on two healthy>> adults, a man 25 years old and a woman 28 years old had them live on a>> diet primarily of white potatoes for 6 months. (A few additional items>> of little nutritional value except for empty calories—pure fats, a few>> fruits, coffee, and tea—were added to their diet.)11 The report stated,>> “They did not tire of the uniform potato diet and there was no craving>> for change.†Even though they were both physically active (especially>> the man) they were described as, “…in good health on a diet in which the>> nitrogen (protein) was practically solely derived from the potato.â€>>>> The potato is such a great source of nutrition that it can supply all of>> the essential protein and amino acids for young children in times of>> food shortage. Eleven Peruvian children, ages 8 months to 35 months,>> recovering from malnutrition, were fed diets where all of the protein>> and 75% of the calories came from potatoes. (Soybean-cottonseed oils and>> pure simple sugars, neither of which contains protein, vitamins, or>> minerals, provided some of the extra calories.)12 Researchers found that>> this simple potato diet provided all the protein and essential amino>> acids to meet the needs of growing and small children.>>>>>> Oom Yaaqub wrote:>> >>> > [[Which people live on potatoes?]]>> > Starving 19th Irish farmers before the famine, maybe? Nobody actually>> > stays healthy on potatoes (or any other single food) for long periods.>> > I DID hear of a study which showed that people fed nothing but>> > potatoes do stay in nitrogen balance. In other words, you can get all>> > your daily protein needs from a single vegetable, providing you>> > consume enough of it. But those studies are for limited times only.>> >>> > ------------------------->> >>> > >> > >> > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release 6/6/2007>2:03 PM>> >>>>>>>>> To send an email to - >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 9, 2007 There are 105 elements in the periodic table.The human body requires all of them for proper functioning.Potatoes contain only a few. Can a dying terminal cancerpatient survive by only eating potatoes? No way, and to say that you lost weight eating only soup if fine if you wantto tax your body that way, but look out that someone really sickwith something cancer will read it and copy it and die. you cannotget something from nothing. Our bodies burn fuel. They need nutrients.Lot's of them. I am talking about in order to flourish, not just exist.We are fuel burning machines just like all other machanical or biologicalorganisms. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Whoa, cool down nowDave, sorry if I get a little hot under the collar about this topic. I don't mean to offend.fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: >Raptor1000 <raptor1000 (AT) comcast (DOT) net>>Jun 7, 2007 5:07 AM> >Re: Re: politics>>Hi Peter,>Here is a short history of the potato. You might find it interesting.>http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/PotatoHistory.htm>>________>A landmark experiment was carried out in 1925 on two healthy adults, a >man 25 years old and a woman 28 years old.^2 For 6 months these two >people lived on a diet primarily of white potatoes. (A few additional >items providing insignificant nutrients were added: a few fruits, >coffee, and tea. Because they were losing too much weight, pure >fat—containing no other nutrients—was also added.)>>Could a diet of potatoes meet their nutritional needs? Even though they >were both physically active (especially the man) they were described as, >“…in good health on a diet in which the nitrogen (protein) was >practically solely derived from the potato.â€>>Did they like this diet? The report stated, “They did not tire of the >uniform potato diet and there was no craving for change.â€>>________>On a personal note, four years ago I lived on potato soup for four >months after being diagnosed with congestive heart failure and sent home >to die.>I got rid of 40 pounds and my total cholesterol dropped down to 125.>My general health improved and my Ejection fraction increased from 20% >to 36 %.>I can now function like a normal human being. Just had my 74 th birthday.)>My potato soup consisted of potatoes, cabbage , onion ,celery, water, >caraway seed, black pepper, and celery seed.>Over the last four years my diet has consisted of Potatoes, beans, >cabbage, carrots, onions, garlic, fruit, Distilled water, and tomatoes.>Foods that come from the produce section, nothing that is processed or >has sodium added.>Rich Richardson>Eugene, Oregon>_________________________>>metalscarab wrote:>>>> Hi Rich>>>> Please could you cite some actual examples of this... preferably ones >> which>> have been authenticated by scientific study.>>>> I absolutely love potatoes, but I really don't think I would be at all>> healthy if I attempted to live on nothing but them... no iron, a lack of>> most of the major vitamins, chocked full of carbs, virtually no useful fat>> content, low in protein, low in calcium...>>>> BB>> Peter>>>> ->> "Raptor1000" <raptor1000 (AT) comcast (DOT) net >> <raptor1000%40comcast.net>>>> < <%40>>>> Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:58 PM>> Re: Re: politics>>>> > The point is that humans can and do live on a diet of only potatoes, and>> > that potatoes have less than 1% fat.>> > Rich>> > heartwerk wrote:>> > >>> > > I love potatoes - what point are you trying to make in regard to fat?>> > >>> > > Jo>> > >>> > > >> <%40>>> > > <%40>, Raptor1000 <raptor1000>> wrote:>> > > >>> > > > http://www.all-creatures.org/mfz/health-potatoes.html >> <http://www.all-creatures.org/mfz/health-potatoes.html>>> > > <http://www.all-creatures.org/mfz/health-potatoes.html >> <http://www.all-creatures.org/mfz/health-potatoes.html>>>> > > >>> > > > Oom Yaaqub wrote:>> > > > >>> > > > > [[There are no healthy fats.]]>> > > > >>> > > > > That statement is absolutely untrue. There are some essential>> > > fatty>> > > > > acids (that means your body needs them but cannot manufacture>> > > them.)>> > > > > Olive oil has been proven to be a heart healthy part of the>> > > famous>> > > > > "Mediterranean diet." I'm still trying to figure out how anyone>> > > can>> > > > > claim tofu is high in fat. A half cup firm tofu contains 5 grams>> > > of>> > > > > fat, and even lower fat versions are available.>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > ------------------------->> > > ------>> > > > >>> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.>> > > > > >> > > > > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date:>> > > 6/4/2007 6:43 PM>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > > ------------------------->> > >>> > > >> > > >> > > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release >> 6/4/2007>> 6:43 PM>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> > To send an email to >> - >> <-%40>>> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2007 You mustn't believe all you read - take it from the locals! Mashed potato and chopped cabbage mixed together, sometimes with onion, sometimes with cream or butter etc.is called Colcannon - always has been. Stir about to us Brits & Irish doesn't sound like anything locals would say - Stir about sounds very American. Jo , Raptor1000 <raptor1000 wrote: > > It is certainly possible that I could be in error regarding Stir about, > but I doubt it. > After the potato famine the British provided oats to the starving Irish. > This caused great unrest and even food riots. I read that the starving > people hated oats and demanded potatoes which the British refused to > provide. They said the oats hurt their stomachs. > Having tried regular oats in its natural state I can understand why > they rebelled. > Not the same as processed oats like we know today. > I just looked up COLCANNON in Wikipedia , this is what they said about > the subject. > > Rich > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colcannon > > > > > n theOom Yaaqub wrote: > > > >  > > > > [[some years ago I did some research on the Irish diet and found the main > > diet during that period was a food called stir about. It consisted of a > > bunch of potatoes and a head of cabbage thrown into a large metal pot in > > the fireplace. The food was stirred with a big stick and was called stir > > about.]] > > > > I'm sorry to say you're confused. Being part Irish myself, I know that > > what you are describing is COLCANNON. Stirabout, on the other hand, > > consists of oatmeal and milk. It was also stirred in a large pot over > > the fireplace but there the resemblance ends. The traditional > > Irish diet consisted of a lot of such simple foods. There is a big > > difference between living on oatmeal, milk, cabbage and potatoes vs. > > just living on potatoes. I myself lived on tofu, rice and kimchee > > (pickled cabbage) for several months--it's more or less equivalent. > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 2:03 PM > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2007 If you believe in optimum diet why do you suggest living on nothing but potatoes? Jo , David Garner <comfortablekind wrote: > > Life and quality of life can be equated together. > Living in a human body is like having a hamster. > Breathe's air, needs lots of love and affection to flourish. > Needs proper nurtition, such as minerals and vitamins. > although I have a background heavy in the electrical sciences. > My personal interest and research has convinved me that there > is an optimum diet for all human creatures. That is of course, those > without any serious ailments. I am totally sold on a dietary regimen that > I believe will not only help us to live longer, but to enjoy the life that we do have > much more. With proper nutrition we think clearer, we are generally in a better mood, > and we have the energy and strength to do so many more enjoyable things. > Just my thoughts on the topic. I want to mention that although I believe that I have found > the fountain of youth, and aspire to live it, I have not yet, but I am working toward following > the dietary guidelines and the math all add's up to reall numbers with real results shown with lab results and documentation from several hospitals. > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: Dr McDougal is local MD who advocates a strict vegetarian diet > i think this article was taken out of context > yes, potatoes are a wonderful food, but you couldn't just survive off of them > he advocates a healthy veggie diet for a variety of ailments... > he has some hip expensive clinic up in the North Bay > > he has also been criticized lately amongst certain circles for being too " commercial " > for what its worth......... > > > >metalscarab <metalscarab > >Jun 8, 2007 5:32 AM > > > >Re: Re: politics > > > >Again " primary source " - that's not the same as " only source " . Incidentally, > >having studied 19th century Russia and Poland for my undergraduate degree, > >I'm very well aware that the maximum life expectancy was 40 years old, and > >the average life was about 33. Not a great advert for their diet. > > > >With regard to the experiment you cite - could you point me in the direction > >of the peer reviewed journal in which it was published. An ad hoc report in > >the newsletter of someone who seems to have a significant lack of > >nutritional knowledge, and clearly an agenda to push, is hardly a good > >reference. > > > >Incidentally, is " Dr " McDougal a real Dr, and if so, what is his Doctorate > >in? > > > >BB > >Peter > > > >- > > " Raptor1000 " <raptor1000 > > > >Friday, June 08, 2007 5:54 AM > >Re: Re: politics > > > > > >> http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/apr/dairy.htm > >> > >> Potatoes Alone Suffice > >> > >> Many populations, for example people in rural Poland and Russia at the > >> turn of the 19th century, have lived in very good health doing extremely > >> hard work with the white potato serving as their primary source of > >> nutrition. One landmark experiment carried out in 1925 on two healthy > >> adults, a man 25 years old and a woman 28 years old had them live on a > >> diet primarily of white potatoes for 6 months. (A few additional items > >> of little nutritional value except for empty calories†" pure fats, a few > >> fruits, coffee, and tea†" were added to their diet.)11 The report stated, > >> “They did not tire of the uniform potato diet and there was no craving > >> for change.†Even though they were both physically active (especially > >> the man) they were described as, “…in good health on a diet in which the > >> nitrogen (protein) was practically solely derived from the potato.†> >> > >> The potato is such a great source of nutrition that it can supply all of > >> the essential protein and amino acids for young children in times of > >> food shortage. Eleven Peruvian children, ages 8 months to 35 months, > >> recovering from malnutrition, were fed diets where all of the protein > >> and 75% of the calories came from potatoes. (Soybean-cottonseed oils and > >> pure simple sugars, neither of which contains protein, vitamins, or > >> minerals, provided some of the extra calories.)12 Researchers found that > >> this simple potato diet provided all the protein and essential amino > >> acids to meet the needs of growing and small children. > >> > >> > >> Oom Yaaqub wrote: > >> > > >> > [[Which people live on potatoes?]] > >> > Starving 19th Irish farmers before the famine, maybe? Nobody actually > >> > stays healthy on potatoes (or any other single food) for long periods. > >> > I DID hear of a study which showed that people fed nothing but > >> > potatoes do stay in nitrogen balance. In other words, you can get all > >> > your daily protein needs from a single vegetable, providing you > >> > consume enough of it. But those studies are for limited times only. > >> > > >> > ------------------------- > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release 6/6/2007 > >2:03 PM > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> To send an email to - > >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2007 I am really rather fed up with your posts now. First you argue one way, and then you argue another. First potatoes can sustain life on their own, then they don't have enough nutrients. Jo , David Garner <comfortablekind wrote: > > There are 105 elements in the periodic table. > The human body requires all of them for proper functioning. > Potatoes contain only a few. Can a dying terminal cancer > patient survive by only eating potatoes? No way, and to > say that you lost weight eating only soup if fine if you want > to tax your body that way, but look out that someone really sick > with something cancer will read it and copy it and die. you cannot > get something from nothing. Our bodies burn fuel. They need nutrients. > Lot's of them. I am talking about in order to flourish, not just exist. > We are fuel burning machines just like all other machanical or biological > organisms. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Whoa, cool down now > Dave, sorry if I get a little hot under the collar about this topic. > I don't mean to offend. > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > > > >Raptor1000 <raptor1000 > >Jun 7, 2007 5:07 AM > > > >Re: Re: politics > > > >Hi Peter, > >Here is a short history of the potato. You might find it interesting. > >http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/PotatoHistory.htm > > > >________ > >A landmark experiment was carried out in 1925 on two healthy adults, a > >man 25 years old and a woman 28 years old.^2 For 6 months these two > >people lived on a diet primarily of white potatoes. (A few additional > >items providing insignificant nutrients were added: a few fruits, > >coffee, and tea. Because they were losing too much weight, pure > >fat†" containing no other nutrients†" was also added.) > > > >Could a diet of potatoes meet their nutritional needs? Even though they > >were both physically active (especially the man) they were described as, > >“…in good health on a diet in which the nitrogen (protein) was > >practically solely derived from the potato.†> > > >Did they like this diet? The report stated, “They did not tire of the > >uniform potato diet and there was no craving for change.†> > > >________ > >On a personal note, four years ago I lived on potato soup for four > >months after being diagnosed with congestive heart failure and sent home > >to die. > >I got rid of 40 pounds and my total cholesterol dropped down to 125. > >My general health improved and my Ejection fraction increased from 20% > >to 36 %. > >I can now function like a normal human being. Just had my 74 th birthday.) > >My potato soup consisted of potatoes, cabbage , onion ,celery, water, > >caraway seed, black pepper, and celery seed. > >Over the last four years my diet has consisted of Potatoes, beans, > >cabbage, carrots, onions, garlic, fruit, Distilled water, and tomatoes. > >Foods that come from the produce section, nothing that is processed or > >has sodium added. > >Rich Richardson > >Eugene, Oregon > >_________________________ > > > >metalscarab wrote: > >> > >> Hi Rich > >> > >> Please could you cite some actual examples of this... preferably ones > >> which > >> have been authenticated by scientific study. > >> > >> I absolutely love potatoes, but I really don't think I would be at all > >> healthy if I attempted to live on nothing but them... no iron, a lack of > >> most of the major vitamins, chocked full of carbs, virtually no useful fat > >> content, low in protein, low in calcium... > >> > >> BB > >> Peter > >> > >> - > >> " Raptor1000 " <raptor1000 > >> <raptor1000%40comcast.net>> > >> < <% 40>> > >> Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:58 PM > >> Re: Re: politics > >> > >> > The point is that humans can and do live on a diet of only potatoes, and > >> > that potatoes have less than 1% fat. > >> > Rich > >> > heartwerk wrote: > >> > > > >> > > I love potatoes - what point are you trying to make in regard to fat? > >> > > > >> > > Jo > >> > > > >> > > > >> <%40> > >> > > <%40>, Raptor1000 <raptor1000@> > >> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > http://www.all-creatures.org/mfz/health-potatoes.html > >> <http://www.all-creatures.org/mfz/health-potatoes.html> > >> > > <http://www.all-creatures.org/mfz/health-potatoes.html > >> <http://www.all-creatures.org/mfz/health-potatoes.html>> > >> > > > > >> > > > Oom Yaaqub wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > [[There are no healthy fats.]] > >> > > > > > >> > > > > That statement is absolutely untrue. There are some essential > >> > > fatty > >> > > > > acids (that means your body needs them but cannot manufacture > >> > > them.) > >> > > > > Olive oil has been proven to be a heart healthy part of the > >> > > famous > >> > > > > " Mediterranean diet. " I'm still trying to figure out how anyone > >> > > can > >> > > > > claim tofu is high in fat. A half cup firm tofu contains 5 grams > >> > > of > >> > > > > fat, and even lower fat versions are available. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------ - > >> > > ------ > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: > >> > > 6/4/2007 6:43 PM > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: > >> 6/4/2007 > >> 6:43 PM > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > To send an email to > >> - > >> <-%40> > >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2007 All these posts, while extremely interesting, are getting to be too much. David, you seem to be an intelligent person, and that you’re really just trying to educate the world, but the way you’re doing it makes you appear smug, conceited, arrogant and condescending… the all-knowing, great and powerful Oz. So you read. So what. We all read. As a member of the vegetarian community, I have found that veg*ns are a very informed, educated group of people. We have to be. It’s difficult enough for us all to try to cope in a land of meat-eaters without being knocked for our beliefs on a list that is supposed to offer support, guidance and some solidarity. This whole potato thing… I don’t know. I love potatoes. Could eat them all day; mashed, baked, boiled, any way they can be prepared. Will I eat only potatoes? No. As versatile as they are, it would get too boring for me. But for some… hey, if that’s what they want to eat, who are we to say they can’t. Now you’re coming down on Jo for eating soup. How can eating soup tax your body?? Soup can be made of anything! The possibilities are limitless. You can get a full day’s nutrition from soup. It could be low-fat, fat-free, creamy… you can add your tofu, assorted veggies, and um… (shock!) even some potatoes! You can make soup entirely out of fruit. Anything and everything a growing body needs. These posts remind me of people preaching about religion. “My way is the only way! If you don’t do it this way, you’re damned to hell!â€Â Come on… we’re all just as educated as you are. OK, so maybe not on topics such as boat wiring and the periodic table. (I don’t think we need plutonium to survive.) But we don’t need to spout off our “credentials†as if we’re applying for a job, with this huge superiority complex. Not to come down on you, David, but do you think maybe (and this is just my own simple opinion) this is why you’re having such a hard time finding vegans to hang out with?? Surely it’s not because of a lack of veg events in your city (I’ve done some research too). Think about it. People don’t always want to hear how “right†you are and how “wrong†they are. ~Monica ~Good judgement comes from experience, and often experience comes from bad judgement~ Rita Mae Brown , David Garner <comfortablekind wrote: > > There are 105 elements in the periodic table. > The human body requires all of them for proper functioning. > Potatoes contain only a few. Can a dying terminal cancer > patient survive by only eating potatoes? No way, and to > say that you lost weight eating only soup if fine if you want > to tax your body that way, but look out that someone really sick > with something cancer will read it and copy it and die. you cannot > get something from nothing. Our bodies burn fuel. They need nutrients. > Lot's of them. I am talking about in order to flourish, not just exist. > We are fuel burning machines just like all other machanical or biological > organisms. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Whoa, cool down now > Dave, sorry if I get a little hot under the collar about this topic. > I don't mean to offend. > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > > > >Raptor1000 <raptor1000 > >Jun 7, 2007 5:07 AM > > > >Re: Re: politics > > > >Hi Peter, > >Here is a short history of the potato. You might find it interesting. > >http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/PotatoHistory.htm > > > >________ > >A landmark experiment was carried out in 1925 on two healthy adults, a > >man 25 years old and a woman 28 years old.^2 For 6 months these two > >people lived on a diet primarily of white potatoes. (A few additional > >items providing insignificant nutrients were added: a few fruits, > >coffee, and tea. Because they were losing too much weight, pure > >fat†" containing no other nutrients†" was also added.) > > > >Could a diet of potatoes meet their nutritional needs? Even though they > >were both physically active (especially the man) they were described as, > >“…in good health on a diet in which the nitrogen (protein) was > >practically solely derived from the potato.†> > > >Did they like this diet? The report stated, “They did not tire of the > >uniform potato diet and there was no craving for change.†> > > >________ > >On a personal note, four years ago I lived on potato soup for four > >months after being diagnosed with congestive heart failure and sent home > >to die. > >I got rid of 40 pounds and my total cholesterol dropped down to 125. > >My general health improved and my Ejection fraction increased from 20% > >to 36 %. > >I can now function like a normal human being. Just had my 74 th birthday.) > >My potato soup consisted of potatoes, cabbage , onion ,celery, water, > >caraway seed, black pepper, and celery seed. > >Over the last four years my diet has consisted of Potatoes, beans, > >cabbage, carrots, onions, garlic, fruit, Distilled water, and tomatoes. > >Foods that come from the produce section, nothing that is processed or > >has sodium added. > >Rich Richardson > >Eugene, Oregon > >_________________________ > > > >metalscarab wrote: > >> > >> Hi Rich > >> > >> Please could you cite some actual examples of this... preferably ones > >> which > >> have been authenticated by scientific study. > >> > >> I absolutely love potatoes, but I really don't think I would be at all > >> healthy if I attempted to live on nothing but them... no iron, a lack of > >> most of the major vitamins, chocked full of carbs, virtually no useful fat > >> content, low in protein, low in calcium... > >> > >> BB > >> Peter > >> > >> - > >> " Raptor1000 " <raptor1000 > >> <raptor1000%40comcast.net>> > >> < <% 40>> > >> Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:58 PM > >> Re: Re: politics > >> > >> > The point is that humans can and do live on a diet of only potatoes, and > >> > that potatoes have less than 1% fat. > >> > Rich > >> > heartwerk wrote: > >> > > > >> > > I love potatoes - what point are you trying to make in regard to fat? > >> > > > >> > > Jo > >> > > > >> > > > >> <%40> > >> > > <%40>, Raptor1000 <raptor1000@> > >> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > http://www.all-creatures.org/mfz/health-potatoes.html > >> <http://www.all-creatures.org/mfz/health-potatoes.html> > >> > > <http://www.all-creatures.org/mfz/health-potatoes.html > >> <http://www.all-creatures.org/mfz/health-potatoes.html>> > >> > > > > >> > > > Oom Yaaqub wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > [[There are no healthy fats.]] > >> > > > > > >> > > > > That statement is absolutely untrue. There are some essential > >> > > fatty > >> > > > > acids (that means your body needs them but cannot manufacture > >> > > them.) > >> > > > > Olive oil has been proven to be a heart healthy part of the > >> > > famous > >> > > > > " Mediterranean diet. " I'm still trying to figure out how anyone > >> > > can > >> > > > > claim tofu is high in fat. A half cup firm tofu contains 5 grams > >> > > of > >> > > > > fat, and even lower fat versions are available. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------ - > >> > > ------ > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: > >> > > 6/4/2007 6:43 PM > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release > >> 6/4/2007 > >> 6:43 PM > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > To send an email to > >> - > >> <-%40> > >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2007 All these posts, while extremely interesting, are getting to be too much. David, you seem to be an intelligent person, and that you're really just trying to educate the world, but the way you're doing it makes you appear smug, conceited, arrogant and condescending… the all- knowing, great and powerful Oz. So you read. So what. We all read. As a member of the vegetarian community, I have found that veg*ns are a very informed, educated group of people. We have to be. It's difficult enough for us all to try to cope in a land of meat-eaters without being knocked for our beliefs on a list that is supposed to offer support, guidance and some solidarity. This whole potato thing… I don't know. I love potatoes. Could eat them all day; mashed, baked, boiled, any way they can be prepared. Will I eat only potatoes? No. As versatile as they are, it would get too boring for me. But for some… hey, if that's what they want to eat, who are we to say they can't. Now you're coming down on Jo for eating soup. How can eating soup tax your body?? Soup can be made of anything! The possibilities are limitless. You can get a full day's nutrition from soup. It could be low-fat, fat-free, creamy… you can add your tofu, assorted veggies, and um… (shock!) even some potatoes! You can make soup entirely out of fruit. Anything and everything a growing body needs. These posts remind me of people preaching about religion. " My way is the only way! If you don't do it this way, you're damned to hell! " Come on… we're all just as educated as you are. OK, so maybe not on topics such as boat wiring and the periodic table. (I don't think we need plutonium to survive.) But we don't need to spout off our " credentials " as if we're applying for a job, with this huge superiority complex. Not to come down on you, David, but do you think maybe (and this is just my own simple opinion) this is why you're having such a hard time finding vegans to hang out with?? Surely it's not because of a lack of veg events in your city (I've done some research too). Think about it. People don't always want to hear how " right " you are and how " wrong " they are. ~Monica ~Good judgement comes from experience, and often experience comes from bad judgement~ Rita Mae Brown , David Garner <comfortablekind@> > wrote: > > > > There are 105 elements in the periodic table. > > The human body requires all of them for proper functioning. > > Potatoes contain only a few. Can a dying terminal cancer > > patient survive by only eating potatoes? No way, and to > > say that you lost weight eating only soup if fine if you want > > to tax your body that way, but look out that someone really sick > > with something cancer will read it and copy it and die. you cannot > > get something from nothing. Our bodies burn fuel. They need > nutrients. > > Lot's of them. I am talking about in order to flourish, not just > exist. > > We are fuel burning machines just like all other machanical or > biological > > organisms. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Whoa, cool down now > > Dave, sorry if I get a little hot under the collar about this > topic. > > I don't mean to offend. > > > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> wrote: > > > > > > >Raptor1000 <raptor1000@> > > >Jun 7, 2007 5:07 AM > > > > > >Re: Re: politics > > > > > >Hi Peter, > > >Here is a short history of the potato. You might find it > interesting. > > >http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/PotatoHistory.htm > > > > > >________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2007  Hi Monica I too love potatoes - any way :-) I believe the soups I make are healthy. The butterbean soup was made with onions 2 teaspoons of virgin olive oil, carrots, butterbeans and black pepper. I don't add salt when cooking because I like natural flavours. Like you I believe in a varied diet. Jo - Monica Johansson Monday, June 11, 2007 1:35 PM RE: Re: politics All these posts, while extremely interesting, are getting to be too much. David, you seem to be an intelligent person, and that you’re really just trying to educate the world, but the way you’re doing it makes you appear smug, conceited, arrogant and condescending… the all-knowing, great and powerful Oz. So you read. So what. We all read. As a member of the vegetarian community, I have found that veg*ns are a very informed, educated group of people. We have to be. It’s difficult enough for us all to try to cope in a land of meat-eaters without being knocked for our beliefs on a list that is supposed to offer support, guidance and some solidarity. This whole potato thing… I don’t know. I love potatoes. Could eat them all day; mashed, baked, boiled, any way they can be prepared. Will I eat only potatoes? No. As versatile as they are, it would get too boring for me. But for some… hey, if that’s what they want to eat, who are we to say they can’t. Now you’re coming down on Jo for eating soup. How can eating soup tax your body?? Soup can be made of anything! The possibilities are limitless. You can get a full day’s nutrition from soup. It could be low-fat, fat-free, creamy… you can add your tofu, assorted veggies, and um… (shock!) even some potatoes! You can make soup entirely out of fruit. Anything and everything a growing body needs. These posts remind me of people preaching about religion. “My way is the only way! If you don’t do it this way, you’re damned to hell!†Come on… we’re all just as educated as you are. OK, so maybe not on topics such as boat wiring and the periodic table. (I don’t think we need plutonium to survive.) But we don’t need to spout off our “credentials†as if we’re applying for a job, with this huge superiority complex. Not to come down on you, David, but do you think maybe (and this is just my own simple opinion) this is why you’re having such a hard time finding vegans to hang out with?? Surely it’s not because of a lack of veg events in your city (I’ve done some research too). Think about it. People don’t always want to hear how “right†you are and how “wrong†they are. ~Monica ~Good judgement comes from experience, and often experience comes from bad judgement~ Rita Mae Brown , David Garner <comfortablekind wrote:>> There are 105 elements in the periodic table.> The human body requires all of them for proper functioning.> Potatoes contain only a few. Can a dying terminal cancer> patient survive by only eating potatoes? No way, and to > say that you lost weight eating only soup if fine if you want> to tax your body that way, but look out that someone really sick> with something cancer will read it and copy it and die. you cannot> get something from nothing. Our bodies burn fuel. They need nutrients.> Lot's of them. I am talking about in order to flourish, not just exist.> We are fuel burning machines just like all other machanical or biological> organisms. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Whoa, cool down now> Dave, sorry if I get a little hot under the collar about this topic. > I don't mean to offend.> > fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > > > >Raptor1000 <raptor1000> >Jun 7, 2007 5:07 AM> > > >Re: Re: politics> >> >Hi Peter,> >Here is a short history of the potato. You might find it interesting.> >http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/PotatoHistory.htm> >> >________> >A landmark experiment was carried out in 1925 on two healthy adults, a > >man 25 years old and a woman 28 years old.^2 For 6 months these two > >people lived on a diet primarily of white potatoes. (A few additional > >items providing insignificant nutrients were added: a few fruits, > >coffee, and tea. Because they were losing too much weight, pure > >fatâ€"containing no other nutrientsâ€"was also added.)> >> >Could a diet of potatoes meet their nutritional needs? Even though they > >were both physically active (especially the man) they were described as, > >“…in good health on a diet in which the nitrogen (protein) was > >practically solely derived from the potato.â€Â> >> >Did they like this diet? The report stated, “They did not tire of the > >uniform potato diet and there was no craving for change.â€Â> >> >________> >On a personal note, four years ago I lived on potato soup for four > >months after being diagnosed with congestive heart failure and sent home > >to die.> >I got rid of 40 pounds and my total cholesterol dropped down to 125.> >My general health improved and my Ejection fraction increased from 20% > >to 36 %.> >I can now function like a normal human being. Just had my 74 th birthday.)> >My potato soup consisted of potatoes, cabbage , onion ,celery, water, > >caraway seed, black pepper, and celery seed.> >Over the last four years my diet has consisted of Potatoes, beans, > >cabbage, carrots, onions, garlic, fruit, Distilled water, and tomatoes.> >Foods that come from the produce section, nothing that is processed or > >has sodium added.> >Rich Richardson> >Eugene, Oregon> >_________________________> >> >metalscarab wrote:> >>> >> Hi Rich> >>> >> Please could you cite some actual examples of this... preferably ones > >> which> >> have been authenticated by scientific study.> >>> >> I absolutely love potatoes, but I really don't think I would be at all> >> healthy if I attempted to live on nothing but them... no iron, a lack of> >> most of the major vitamins, chocked full of carbs, virtually no useful fat> >> content, low in protein, low in calcium...> >>> >> BB> >> Peter> >>> >> -> >> "Raptor1000" <raptor1000 > >> <raptor1000%40comcast.net>>> >> < <%40>>> >> Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:58 PM> >> Re: Re: politics> >>> >> > The point is that humans can and do live on a diet of only potatoes, and> >> > that potatoes have less than 1% fat.> >> > Rich> >> > heartwerk wrote:> >> > >> >> > > I love potatoes - what point are you trying to make in regard to fat?> >> > >> >> > > Jo> >> > >> >> > > > >> <%40>> >> > > <%40>, Raptor1000 <raptor1000@>> >> wrote:> >> > > >> >> > > > http://www.all-creatures.org/mfz/health-potatoes.html > >> <http://www.all-creatures.org/mfz/health-potatoes.html>> >> > > <http://www.all-creatures.org/mfz/health-potatoes.html > >> <http://www.all-creatures.org/mfz/health-potatoes.html>>> >> > > >> >> > > > Oom Yaaqub wrote:> >> > > > >> >> > > > > [[There are no healthy fats.]]> >> > > > >> >> > > > > That statement is absolutely untrue. There are some essential> >> > > fatty> >> > > > > acids (that means your body needs them but cannot manufacture> >> > > them.)> >> > > > > Olive oil has been proven to be a heart healthy part of the> >> > > famous> >> > > > > "Mediterranean diet." I'm still trying to figure out how anyone> >> > > can> >> > > > > claim tofu is high in fat. A half cup firm tofu contains 5 grams> >> > > of> >> > > > > fat, and even lower fat versions are available.> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > -------------------------> >> > > ------> >> > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date:> >> > > 6/4/2007 6:43 PM> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > -------------------------> >> > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release > >> 6/4/2007> >> 6:43 PM> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to > >> - > >> <-%40>> >> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2007 David (comfortable kind) has asked me to remove him from the list, which I have done. Hopefully normal service is now resumed! Jo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2007 Hi Jo, Maybe if you have time one day, you can send over some of those soup recipes. I’m always looking for a good soup and would love to have some new recipes. ~Good judgement comes from experience, and often experience comes from bad judgement~ On Behalf Of jo Monday, June 11, 2007 2:53 PM Re: Re: politics   Hi Monica I too love potatoes - any way :-) I believe the soups I make are healthy. The butterbean soup was made with onions 2 teaspoons of virgin olive oil, carrots, butterbeans and black pepper. I don't add salt when cooking because I like natural flavours. Like you I believe in a varied diet. Jo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 18, 2007  Hi Monica I am a little busy at the moment as we were away for the weekend, and working all day today, but when I have sorted out and caught up with washing I will post the soup recipes that I have made and enjoyed. Jo - Monica Johansson Saturday, June 16, 2007 12:54 PM RE: Re: politics Hi Jo, Maybe if you have time one day, you can send over some of those soup recipes. I’m always looking for a good soup and would love to have some new recipes. ~Good judgement comes from experience, and often experience comes from bad judgement~ On Behalf Of joMonday, June 11, 2007 2:53 PM Subject: Re: Re: politics  Hi Monica I too love potatoes - any way :-) I believe the soups I make are healthy. The butterbean soup was made with onions 2 teaspoons of virgin olive oil, carrots, butterbeans and black pepper. I don't add salt when cooking because I like natural flavours. Like you I believe in a varied diet. Jo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
