Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition

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Greetings,

I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my

favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts,

seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on much

of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a " meatie " - at

least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for a

while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I gained

a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His

family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this year -

they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my hubby's

cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose

intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back to

the " fruits " - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan

or " frugan " (I just made that up) since a very young age when my

brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans

(everything). " Fruits " are food and useful too - I don't even really

like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now to

the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but it

is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat what

I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't want

pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't care

for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one, thanks,

but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat fruits,

nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am

not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.

 

Shells

[Guest guest]

Hello Shells , Those of us who are Vegan for the sake of the animals are sure glad when anyone does not consume animal products .. I hope I am echoing all opinions and not just my own ... You certainly are vegetarian from what you say of your diet , but Vegan does go further .. So by definition a vegan is someone who " eats a plant-based diet free from all animal products, including milk, eggs and honey." Vegans has also come to mean someone who does not wear leather, wool or silk and someone who uses no products containing any animal byproducts or is currently tested on animals .. example I use no cleaning products, makeup, etc that contain any animal ingredient and is not tested on animals .. So I really don't know if you are Vegan , but I am happy you have chosen not to eat animals .. be well Conniesbibeau <sbibeau wrote: Greetings,I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts, seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on much of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a "meatie" - at least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for a while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I gained a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this year - they are farmers and grow corn,

soybeans, barley, etc. - my hubby's cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back to the "fruits" - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan or "frugan" (I just made that up) since a very young age when my brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans (everything). "Fruits" are food and useful too - I don't even really like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now to the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but it is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat what I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't want pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't care for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one, thanks, but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat fruits, nuts, grains,

legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.Shells

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Hi Connie

 

The Vegan Society defines Vegan pretty much as you have. However, they do also use the term "dietary vegan" to apply to those who make those choices purely for their diets, and not in other areas of their life.

 

BB

Peter

 

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connie bell

Monday, May 14, 2007 5:50 PM

Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition

Hello Shells , Those of us who are Vegan for the sake of the animals are sure glad when anyone does not consume animal products .. I hope I am echoing all opinions and not just my own ... You certainly are vegetarian from what you say of your diet , but Vegan does go further .. So by definition a vegan is someone who " eats a plant-based diet free from all animal products, including milk, eggs and honey." Vegans has also come to mean someone who does not wear leather, wool or silk and someone who uses no products containing any animal byproducts or is currently tested on animals .. example I use no cleaning products, makeup, etc that contain any animal ingredient and is not tested on animals .. So I really don't know if you are Vegan , but I am happy you have chosen not to eat animals .. be well Conniesbibeau <sbibeau wrote:

 

Greetings,I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts, seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on much of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a "meatie" - at least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for a while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I gained a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this year - they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my hubby's cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back to the "fruits" - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan or "frugan" (I just made that up) since a very young age when my brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans (everything). "Fruits" are food and useful too - I don't even really like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now to the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but it is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat what I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't want pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't care for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one, thanks, but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat fruits, nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.Shells

 

 

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Hi Shells

 

If you eat no animals or animal products, and no longer buy leather or furs,

then you are a vegan, whether you care about the animals or not.

 

Jo

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" sbibeau " <sbibeau

 

Monday, May 14, 2007 4:15 PM

Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition

 

 

> Greetings,

> I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my

> favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts,

> seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on much

> of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a " meatie " - at

> least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for a

> while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I gained

> a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His

> family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this year -

> they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my hubby's

> cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose

> intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back to

> the " fruits " - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan

> or " frugan " (I just made that up) since a very young age when my

> brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans

> (everything). " Fruits " are food and useful too - I don't even really

> like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now to

> the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but it

> is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat what

> I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't want

> pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't care

> for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one, thanks,

> but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat fruits,

> nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am

> not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.

>

> Shells

>

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

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Thanks Connie,

 

Glad you are glad, and thanks for your response. I am currnetly

eating a diet free from animal (honey is a no, I do read labels, but

not much into over processed, not having a degree in Chemistry, the

most odd thing I use is Zantham gum), no eggs, but!!!, I have not

been a makeup/shampoo/soap/cleaning products label reader re animal

testing or ingreadients, sounds worth looking into though. I guess I

would used the term vegan when ordering out as many restaurants seem

to understand that means " no eggs or dairy thanks! " So could we say I

eat vegan, since the egg, honey, dairy thing is not an issue?

 

Shells, ..... peanut shells

 

, connie bell <caromiotk wrote:

>

> Hello Shells , Those of us who are Vegan for the sake of the

animals are sure glad when anyone does not consume animal

products .. I hope I am echoing all opinions and not just my own ...

You certainly are vegetarian from what you say of your diet , but

Vegan does go further .. So by definition a vegan is someone who "

eats a plant-based diet free from all animal products, including

milk, eggs and honey. " Vegans has also come to mean someone who does

not wear leather, wool or silk and someone who uses no products

containing any animal byproducts or is currently tested on

animals .. example I use no cleaning products, makeup, etc that

contain any animal ingredient and is not tested on animals .. So I

really don't know if you are Vegan , but I am happy you have chosen

not to eat animals .. be well Connie

>

>

> sbibeau <sbibeau wrote: Greetings,

> I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my

> favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts,

> seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on

much

> of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a " meatie " - at

> least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for

a

> while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I

gained

> a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His

> family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this

year -

> they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my hubby's

> cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose

> intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back

to

> the " fruits " - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan

> or " frugan " (I just made that up) since a very young age when my

> brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans

> (everything). " Fruits " are food and useful too - I don't even

really

> like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now

to

> the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but

it

> is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat

what

> I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't

want

> pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't

care

> for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one,

thanks,

> but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat

fruits,

> nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am

> not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.

>

> Shells

 

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Hello Jo , sorry but I have to disagree .. It goes a little further then that .. and stating it that way is not accurate .. ConnieJo <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi ShellsIf you eat no animals or animal products, and no longer buy leather or furs,then you are a vegan, whether you care about the animals or not.Jo-"sbibeau" <sbibeau >Monday, May 14, 2007 4:15 PM Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition> Greetings,> I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my> favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts,> seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on much> of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a "meatie" - at> least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for a> while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I gained> a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His> family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this year -> they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my hubby's> cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose>

intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back to> the "fruits" - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan> or "frugan" (I just made that up) since a very young age when my> brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans> (everything). "Fruits" are food and useful too - I don't even really> like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now to> the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but it> is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat what> I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't want> pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't care> for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one, thanks,> but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat fruits,> nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I

am> not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.>> Shells>>>> To send an email to - >

[Guest guest]

Hi Jo, Thanks for your response also. I'll keep reading and enjoying

the group's discussions.

 

Shells

, " jo " <jo.heartwork wrote:

>

> Hi Shells

>

> If you eat no animals or animal products, and no longer buy leather

or furs,

> then you are a vegan, whether you care about the animals or not.

>

> Jo

> -

> " sbibeau " <sbibeau

>

> Monday, May 14, 2007 4:15 PM

> Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition

>

>

> > Greetings,

> > I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my

> > favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts,

> > seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on

much

> > of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a " meatie " - at

> > least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family

for a

> > while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I

gained

> > a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His

> > family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this

year -

> > they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my

hubby's

> > cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose

> > intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back

to

> > the " fruits " - I have been what I might call an instinctutual

vegan

> > or " frugan " (I just made that up) since a very young age when my

> > brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans

> > (everything). " Fruits " are food and useful too - I don't even

really

> > like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure.

Now to

> > the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals -

but it

> > is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat

what

> > I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't

want

> > pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't

care

> > for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one,

thanks,

> > but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat

fruits,

> > nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am

> > not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.

> >

> > Shells

> >

> >

> >

> > To send an email to -

 

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, you mentioned toiletries and household products too, which is correct. I have done this for so many years, that I had forgotten it was anything unusual.

 

Jo

 

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connie bell

Monday, May 14, 2007 6:27 PM

Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition

Hello Jo , sorry but I have to disagree .. It goes a little further then that .. and stating it that way is not accurate .. ConnieJo <jo.heartwork wrote:

 

Hi ShellsIf you eat no animals or animal products, and no longer buy leather or furs,then you are a vegan, whether you care about the animals or not.Jo-"sbibeau" <sbibeau >Monday, May 14, 2007 4:15 PM Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition> Greetings,> I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my> favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts,> seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on much> of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a "meatie" - at> least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for a> while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I gained> a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His> family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this year -> they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my hubby's> cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose> intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back to> the "fruits" - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan> or "frugan" (I just made that up) since a very young age when my> brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans> (everything). "Fruits" are food and useful too - I don't even really> like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now to> the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but it> is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat what> I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't want> pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't care> for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one, thanks,> but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat fruits,> nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am> not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.>> Shells>>>> To send an email to - >

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Thank you Peter - I will go to the Vegan Society page and read their

definition - perhaps I am a " dietary vegan " as you say. I will also

check a few other places (maybe even the group home page) and see

what I can come up with - funny, I never gave the definition much

thought over the years - I have been living under a rock

 

Shells

 

, " metalscarab " <metalscarab

wrote:

>

> Hi Connie

>

> The Vegan Society defines Vegan pretty much as you have. However,

they do also use the term " dietary vegan " to apply to those who make

those choices purely for their diets, and not in other areas of their

life.

>

> BB

> Peter

 

>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm, I just saw the term " ethical vegan " (Wikipedia - Woody

Harrelson) - how is that different from vegan? Just wondering.

 

Shells

, " metalscarab " <metalscarab

wrote:

>

> Hi Connie

>

> The Vegan Society defines Vegan pretty much as you have. However,

they do also use the term " dietary vegan " to apply to those who make

those choices purely for their diets, and not in other areas of their

life.

>

> BB

> Peter

> -

> connie bell

>

> Monday, May 14, 2007 5:50 PM

> Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan

definition

>

>

> Hello Shells , Those of us who are Vegan for the sake of the

animals are sure glad when anyone does not consume animal

products .. I hope I am echoing all opinions and not just my own ...

You certainly are vegetarian from what you say of your diet , but

Vegan does go further .. So by definition a vegan is someone who "

eats a plant-based diet free from all animal products, including

milk, eggs and honey. " Vegans has also come to mean someone who does

not wear leather, wool or silk and someone who uses no products

containing any animal byproducts or is currently tested on

animals .. example I use no cleaning products, makeup, etc that

contain any animal ingredient and is not tested on animals .. So I

really don't know if you are Vegan , but I am happy you have chosen

not to eat animals .. be well Connie

>

>

> sbibeau <sbibeau wrote:

> Greetings,

> I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my

> favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains,

nuts,

> seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on

much

> of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a " meatie " -

at

> least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family

for a

> while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I

gained

> a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!).

His

> family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this

year -

> they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my

hubby's

> cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose

> intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so

back to

> the " fruits " - I have been what I might call an instinctutual

vegan

> or " frugan " (I just made that up) since a very young age when

my

> brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans

> (everything). " Fruits " are food and useful too - I don't even

really

> like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure.

Now to

> the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals -

but it

> is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat

what

> I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I

don't want

> pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) -

don't care

> for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one,

thanks,

> but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat

fruits,

> nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I

am

> not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.

>

> Shells

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True Jo , IT is easy to forget when it it part of your everyday lifestyle .. and I think one of the good changes regarding animals is the large number of companies that no longer test or use animal products, In addition the many animal experiments which have stopped and the decline in the fur and veal industries .. still a long way to go .. and while those parts were focused on and improving , factory farming I believe this industry took advantage and became far worse .. too bad .. Conniejo <jo.heartwork wrote: Yes, you mentioned toiletries and household products too, which is correct. I have done this for so many years, that I had forgotten it was anything unusual. Jo - connie bell Monday, May 14, 2007 6:27 PM Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan

definition Hello Jo , sorry but I have to disagree .. It goes a little further then that .. and stating it that way is not accurate .. ConnieJo <jo.heartwork > wrote: Hi ShellsIf you eat no animals or animal products, and no longer buy leather or furs,then you are a vegan, whether you care about the animals or not.Jo-"sbibeau" <sbibeau >Monday, May 14, 2007 4:15 PM Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition> Greetings,> I am new here. I joined a few vegan

groups hoping to discuss my> favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts,> seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on much> of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a "meatie" - at> least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for a> while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I gained> a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His> family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this year -> they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my hubby's> cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose> intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back to> the "fruits" - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan> or "frugan" (I just made that up) since a very young age when my> brother and I tried to make everything out of

soybeans> (everything). "Fruits" are food and useful too - I don't even really> like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now to> the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but it> is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat what> I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't want> pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't care> for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one, thanks,> but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat fruits,> nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am> not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.>> Shells>>>> To send an email to - >

 

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Hi Shells and welcome.I am a compasionate eater too, and I too have a carnie partner.....................watch out or the Vegan Police may fine us for that! The Valley Vegan..................sbibeau <sbibeau wrote: Greetings,I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts, seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on much of my life. My womnderful husband (of

17 years) is a "meatie" - at least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for a while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I gained a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this year - they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my hubby's cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back to the "fruits" - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan or "frugan" (I just made that up) since a very young age when my brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans (everything). "Fruits" are food and useful too - I don't even really like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now to the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but it is just not an issue for

me personally - I never decided to eat what I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't want pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't care for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one, thanks, but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat fruits, nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.ShellsPeter H

 

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Hi Peter , I do understand dietary VS ethical being different reasons , different motivations for becoming a Vegan , but as with vegetarians .. you can change the words , make up new ones as pollotarian , pescatarian to fit each and everything someone eats or does .... some would say they are vegetarian ...... I personally believe unless they eat no meat what so ever I would argue they are not vegetarian .. and I understand the motives for wanting people to fit into a word , the fact is someones reasons do not define if they are Vegan ..True .. but your lifestyle does .. meaning No animal products in your household cleaners , make up etc .. you can not be Vegan and use a product with rennet .. or honey .. or milk etc.. I think sometimes the Vegan society has become lax as many other groups because they wish to make it easier for people to be classified as Vegetarian or Vegan ..

pressure in the corporate world nowadays so to speak .. and I agree any step in the right direction is a good step .. Conniemetalscarab <metalscarab wrote: Hi Connie The Vegan Society defines Vegan pretty much as you have. However, they do also use the term "dietary vegan" to apply to those who make those choices purely for their diets, and not in other areas of their

life. BB Peter - connie bell Monday, May 14, 2007 5:50 PM Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition Hello Shells , Those of us who are Vegan for the sake of the animals are sure glad when anyone does not consume animal products .. I hope I am echoing all

opinions and not just my own ... You certainly are vegetarian from what you say of your diet , but Vegan does go further .. So by definition a vegan is someone who " eats a plant-based diet free from all animal products, including milk, eggs and honey." Vegans has also come to mean someone who does not wear leather, wool or silk and someone who uses no products containing any animal byproducts or is currently tested on animals .. example I use no cleaning products, makeup, etc that contain any animal ingredient and is not tested on animals .. So I really don't know if you are Vegan , but I am happy you have chosen not to eat animals .. be well Conniesbibeau <sbibeau > wrote: Greetings,I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my favorite topic - food! which to me

is mostly fruits, grains, nuts, seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on much of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a "meatie" - at least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for a while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I gained a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this year - they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my hubby's cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back to the "fruits" - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan or "frugan" (I just made that up) since a very young age when my brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans (everything). "Fruits" are food and useful too - I don't even really like lots of onions,

garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now to the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but it is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat what I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't want pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't care for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one, thanks, but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat fruits, nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.Shells Be a better Heartthrob. Get better

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Hi Connie, I do not think that the Vegan society has become lax at all. Are you a member? maybe you should pose that one t them to allow them to answer for themselves? The Valley Vegan...........connie bell <caromiotk wrote: Hi Peter , I do understand dietary VS ethical being different reasons , different motivations for becoming a Vegan , but as with vegetarians .. you can change the words , make up new ones as pollotarian ,

pescatarian to fit each and everything someone eats or does .... some would say they are vegetarian ...... I personally believe unless they eat no meat what so ever I would argue they are not vegetarian .. and I understand the motives for wanting people to fit into a word , the fact is someones reasons do not define if they are Vegan ..True .. but your lifestyle does .. meaning No animal products in your household cleaners , make up etc .. you can not be Vegan and use a product with rennet .. or honey .. or milk etc.. I think sometimes the Vegan society has become lax as many other groups because they wish to make it easier for people to be classified as Vegetarian or Vegan .. pressure in the corporate world nowadays so to speak .. and I agree any step in the right direction is a good step .. Conniemetalscarab <metalscarab > wrote: Hi Connie The Vegan Society defines Vegan pretty much as you have. However, they do also use the term "dietary vegan" to apply to those who make those choices purely for their diets, and not in other areas of their life. BB Peter - connie bell Monday, May 14, 2007 5:50 PM Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition Hello Shells , Those of us who are Vegan for the sake of the animals are sure glad when anyone does not consume animal products .. I hope I am echoing all opinions and not just my own ... You certainly are vegetarian from what you say of your diet , but Vegan does go further .. So by definition a vegan is someone who " eats a plant-based diet free from all animal products, including milk, eggs and honey." Vegans has also come to mean someone who does not wear leather, wool or silk and someone who uses no products containing any animal byproducts or is currently tested on animals .. example I use no cleaning products, makeup, etc that contain any

animal ingredient and is not tested on animals .. So I really don't know if you are Vegan , but I am happy you have chosen not to eat animals .. be well Conniesbibeau <sbibeau > wrote: Greetings,I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts, seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on much of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a "meatie" - at least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for a while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I gained a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this year - they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans,

barley, etc. - my hubby's cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back to the "fruits" - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan or "frugan" (I just made that up) since a very young age when my brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans (everything). "Fruits" are food and useful too - I don't even really like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now to the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but it is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat what I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't want pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't care for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one, thanks, but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat fruits, nuts, grains, legumes

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Yes Shells , Absolutely.. and I like to discuss food too..<LOL> ..sbibeau <sbibeau wrote: Thanks Connie, Glad you are glad, and thanks for your response. I am currnetly eating a diet free from animal (honey is a no, I do read labels, but not much into over processed, not having a degree in Chemistry, the most odd thing I use is Zantham gum), no eggs, but!!!, I have not been a makeup/shampoo/soap/cleaning products label reader re animal testing or

ingreadients, sounds worth looking into though. I guess I would used the term vegan when ordering out as many restaurants seem to understand that means "no eggs or dairy thanks!" So could we say I eat vegan, since the egg, honey, dairy thing is not an issue?Shells, ..... peanut shells , connie bell <caromiotk wrote:>> Hello Shells , Those of us who are Vegan for the sake of the animals are sure glad when anyone does not consume animal products .. I hope I am echoing all opinions and not just my own ... You certainly are vegetarian from what you say of your diet , but Vegan does go further .. So by definition a vegan is someone who " eats a plant-based diet free from all animal products, including milk, eggs and honey." Vegans has also come to mean someone who does not wear leather, wool or silk and

someone who uses no products containing any animal byproducts or is currently tested on animals .. example I use no cleaning products, makeup, etc that contain any animal ingredient and is not tested on animals .. So I really don't know if you are Vegan , but I am happy you have chosen not to eat animals .. be well Connie> > > sbibeau <sbibeau wrote: Greetings,> I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my > favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts, > seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on much > of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a "meatie" - at > least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for a > while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I gained > a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His > family

members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this year - > they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my hubby's > cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose > intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back to > the "fruits" - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan > or "frugan" (I just made that up) since a very young age when my > brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans > (everything). "Fruits" are food and useful too - I don't even really > like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now to > the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but it > is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat what > I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't want > pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton

great!) - don't care > for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one, thanks, > but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat fruits, > nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am > not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.> > Shells> > > > > > > > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows.> Answers - Check it out.>

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Shells , It is what you are taking about ..your motivation and the reason a person becomes a Vegan ..or Vegetarian ..there are dietary or ethical .. You are Dietary from what I gather .. I am Ethical from what I gather < G> ....... I do it for the animals completely .. the fringe benefits as great health I enjoy but was never a motivation or issue for me .. You obviously have your reasons and no one would say either one of ours are better .... and regardless we both can enjoy great health !! sbibeau <sbibeau wrote: Hmmm, I just saw the term "ethical vegan" (Wikipedia - Woody Harrelson) - how is that different from vegan? Just wondering.Shells , "metalscarab" <metalscarab wrote:>> Hi Connie> > The Vegan Society defines Vegan pretty much as you have. However, they do also use the term "dietary vegan" to apply to those who make those choices purely for their diets, and not in other areas of their life.> > BB> Peter> - > connie bell > > Monday, May 14, 2007 5:50 PM> Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition> > > Hello Shells ,

Those of us who are Vegan for the sake of the animals are sure glad when anyone does not consume animal products .. I hope I am echoing all opinions and not just my own ... You certainly are vegetarian from what you say of your diet , but Vegan does go further .. So by definition a vegan is someone who " eats a plant-based diet free from all animal products, including milk, eggs and honey." Vegans has also come to mean someone who does not wear leather, wool or silk and someone who uses no products containing any animal byproducts or is currently tested on animals .. example I use no cleaning products, makeup, etc that contain any animal ingredient and is not tested on animals .. So I really don't know if you are Vegan , but I am happy you have chosen not to eat animals .. be well Connie> > > sbibeau <sbibeau wrote: > Greetings,> I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups

hoping to discuss my > favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts, > seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on much > of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a "meatie" - at > least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for a > while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I gained > a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His > family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this year - > they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my hubby's > cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose > intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back to > the "fruits" - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan > or "frugan" (I just made that up) since a very young age when my

> brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans > (everything). "Fruits" are food and useful too - I don't even really > like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now to > the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but it > is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat what > I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't want > pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't care > for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one, thanks, > but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat fruits, > nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am > not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.> > Shells> > > > > > >

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Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition

 

Hi Shells and welcome.I am a compasionate eater too, and I too have a carnie partner.....................watch out or the Vegan Police may fine us for that!

 

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Greetings,I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts, seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on much of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a "meatie" - at least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for a while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I gained a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this year - they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my hubby's cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back to the "fruits" - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan or "frugan" (I just made that up) since a very young age when my brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans (everything). "Fruits" are food and useful too - I don't even really like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now to the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but it is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat what I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't want pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't care for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one, thanks, but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat fruits, nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.Shells

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..... but you can have a diet that excludes all animals and animal products and be a dietary vegan.

 

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Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition

Hi Peter , I do understand dietary VS ethical being different reasons , different motivations for becoming a Vegan , but as with vegetarians .. you can change the words , make up new ones as pollotarian , pescatarian to fit each and everything someone eats or does .... some would say they are vegetarian ...... I personally believe unless they eat no meat what so ever I would argue they are not vegetarian .. and I understand the motives for wanting people to fit into a word , the fact is someones reasons do not define if they are Vegan ..True .. but your lifestyle does .. meaning No animal products in your household cleaners , make up etc .. you can not be Vegan and use a product with rennet .. or honey .. or milk etc.. I think sometimes the Vegan society has become lax as many other groups because they wish to make it easier for people to be classified as Vegetarian or Vegan .. pressure in the corporate world nowadays so to speak .. and I agree any step in the right direction is a good step .. Conniemetalscarab <metalscarab wrote:

 

 

Hi Connie

 

The Vegan Society defines Vegan pretty much as you have. However, they do also use the term "dietary vegan" to apply to those who make those choices purely for their diets, and not in other areas of their life.

 

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Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition

Hello Shells , Those of us who are Vegan for the sake of the animals are sure glad when anyone does not consume animal products .. I hope I am echoing all opinions and not just my own ... You certainly are vegetarian from what you say of your diet , but Vegan does go further .. So by definition a vegan is someone who " eats a plant-based diet free from all animal products, including milk, eggs and honey." Vegans has also come to mean someone who does not wear leather, wool or silk and someone who uses no products containing any animal byproducts or is currently tested on animals .. example I use no cleaning products, makeup, etc that contain any animal ingredient and is not tested on animals .. So I really don't know if you are Vegan , but I am happy you have chosen not to eat animals .. be well Conniesbibeau <sbibeau > wrote:

 

Greetings,I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts, seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on much of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a "meatie" - at least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for a while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I gained a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this year - they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my hubby's cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back to the "fruits" - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan or "frugan" (I just made that up) since a very young age when my brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans (everything). "Fruits" are food and useful too - I don't even really like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now to the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but it is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat what I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't want pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't care for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one, thanks, but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat fruits, nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.Shells

 

 

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Monday, May 14, 2007 6:24 PM

Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition

 

 

> Thanks Connie,

>

> Glad you are glad, and thanks for your response. I am currnetly

> eating a diet free from animal (honey is a no, I do read labels, but

> not much into over processed, not having a degree in Chemistry, the

> most odd thing I use is Zantham gum), no eggs, but!!!, I have not

> been a makeup/shampoo/soap/cleaning products label reader re animal

> testing or ingreadients, sounds worth looking into though. I guess I

> would used the term vegan when ordering out as many restaurants seem

> to understand that means " no eggs or dairy thanks! " So could we say I

> eat vegan, since the egg, honey, dairy thing is not an issue?

>

> Shells, ..... peanut shells

>

> , connie bell <caromiotk wrote:

> >

> > Hello Shells , Those of us who are Vegan for the sake of the

> animals are sure glad when anyone does not consume animal

> products .. I hope I am echoing all opinions and not just my own ...

> You certainly are vegetarian from what you say of your diet , but

> Vegan does go further .. So by definition a vegan is someone who "

> eats a plant-based diet free from all animal products, including

> milk, eggs and honey. " Vegans has also come to mean someone who does

> not wear leather, wool or silk and someone who uses no products

> containing any animal byproducts or is currently tested on

> animals .. example I use no cleaning products, makeup, etc that

> contain any animal ingredient and is not tested on animals .. So I

> really don't know if you are Vegan , but I am happy you have chosen

> not to eat animals .. be well Connie

> >

> >

> > sbibeau <sbibeau wrote: Greetings,

> > I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my

> > favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts,

> > seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on

> much

> > of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a " meatie " - at

> > least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for

> a

> > while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I

> gained

> > a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His

> > family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this

> year -

> > they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my hubby's

> > cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose

> > intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back

> to

> > the " fruits " - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan

> > or " frugan " (I just made that up) since a very young age when my

> > brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans

> > (everything). " Fruits " are food and useful too - I don't even

> really

> > like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now

> to

> > the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but

> it

> > is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat

> what

> > I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't

> want

> > pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't

> care

> > for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one,

> thanks,

> > but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat

> fruits,

> > nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am

> > not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.

> >

> > Shells

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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, peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:

>

> Hi Shells and welcome.I am a compasionate eater too, and I too have

a carnie partner.....................watch out or the Vegan Police

may fine us for that!

>

> The Valley Vegan..................

>

> sbibeau <sbibeau wrote:

> Greetings,

> I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my

> favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts,

> seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on

much

> of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a " meatie " - at

> least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for

a

> while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I

gained

> a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His

> family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this

year -

> they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my hubby's

> cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose

> intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back

to

> the " fruits " - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan

> or " frugan " (I just made that up) since a very young age when my

> brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans

> (everything). " Fruits " are food and useful too - I don't even

really

> like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now

to

> the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but

it

> is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat

what

> I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't

want

> pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't

care

> for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one,

thanks,

> but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat

fruits,

> nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am

> not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.

>

> Shells

Peter H

>

>

>

>

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I'm pleased you are staying.

 

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Monday, May 14, 2007 6:34 PM

Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition

 

 

> Hi Jo, Thanks for your response also. I'll keep reading and enjoying

> the group's discussions.

>

> Shells

> , " jo " <jo.heartwork wrote:

> >

> > Hi Shells

> >

> > If you eat no animals or animal products, and no longer buy leather

> or furs,

> > then you are a vegan, whether you care about the animals or not.

> >

> > Jo

> > -

> > " sbibeau " <sbibeau

> >

> > Monday, May 14, 2007 4:15 PM

> > Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition

> >

> >

> > > Greetings,

> > > I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my

> > > favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts,

> > > seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on

> much

> > > of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a " meatie " - at

> > > least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family

> for a

> > > while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I

> gained

> > > a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His

> > > family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this

> year -

> > > they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my

> hubby's

> > > cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose

> > > intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back

> to

> > > the " fruits " - I have been what I might call an instinctutual

> vegan

> > > or " frugan " (I just made that up) since a very young age when my

> > > brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans

> > > (everything). " Fruits " are food and useful too - I don't even

> really

> > > like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure.

> Now to

> > > the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals -

> but it

> > > is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat

> what

> > > I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't

> want

> > > pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't

> care

> > > for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one,

> thanks,

> > > but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat

> fruits,

> > > nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am

> > > not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.

> > >

> > > Shells

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To send an email to -

>

> > >

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jo

Monday, May 14, 2007 3:52 PM

Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition

 

 

 

..... but you can have a diet that excludes all animals and animal products and be a dietary vegan.

 

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connie bell

Monday, May 14, 2007 7:08 PM

Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition

Hi Peter , I do understand dietary VS ethical being different reasons , different motivations for becoming a Vegan , but as with vegetarians .. you can change the words , make up new ones as pollotarian , pescatarian to fit each and everything someone eats or does .... some would say they are vegetarian ...... I personally believe unless they eat no meat what so ever I would argue they are not vegetarian .. and I understand the motives for wanting people to fit into a word , the fact is someones reasons do not define if they are Vegan .True .. but your lifestyle does .. meaning No animal products in your household cleaners , make up etc .. you can not be Vegan and use a product with rennet .. or honey .. or milk etc.. I think sometimes the Vegan society has become lax as many other groups because they wish to make it easier for people to be classified as Vegetarian or Vegan .. pressure in the corporate world nowadays so to speak .. and I agree any step in the right direction is a good step .. Conniemetalscarab <metalscarab > wrote:

 

 

Hi Connie

 

The Vegan Society defines Vegan pretty much as you have. However, they do also use the term "dietary vegan" to apply to those who make those choices purely for their diets, and not in other areas of their life.

 

BB

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connie bell

Monday, May 14, 2007 5:50 PM

Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition

Hello Shells , Those of us who are Vegan for the sake of the animals are sure glad when anyone does not consume animal products .. I hope I am echoing all opinions and not just my own ... You certainly are vegetarian from what you say of your diet , but Vegan does go further .. So by definition a vegan is someone who " eats a plant-based diet free from all animal products, including milk, eggs and honey." Vegans has also come to mean someone who does not wear leather, wool or silk and someone who uses no products containing any animal byproducts or is currently tested on animals .. example I use no cleaning products, makeup, etc that contain any animal ingredient and is not tested on animals .. So I really don't know if you are Vegan , but I am happy you have chosen not to eat animals .. be well Conniesbibeau <sbibeau > wrote:

 

Greetings,I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts, seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on much of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a "meatie" - at least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for a while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I gained a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this year - they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my hubby's cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back to the "fruits" - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan or "frugan" (I just made that up) since a very young age when my brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans (everything). "Fruits" are food and useful too - I don't even really like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now to the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but it is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat what I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't want pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't care for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one, thanks, but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat fruits, nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.Shells

 

 

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Is there a word for someone who eats no meat, fish, eggs, or dairy, but who does eat honey?

 

 

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Monday, May 14, 2007 1:06 PM

Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition

 

 

 

Hi Connie

 

The Vegan Society defines Vegan pretty much as you have. However, they do also use the term "dietary vegan" to apply to those who make those choices purely for their diets, and not in other areas of their life.

 

BB

Peter

 

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connie bell

Monday, May 14, 2007 5:50 PM

Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition

Hello Shells , Those of us who are Vegan for the sake of the animals are sure glad when anyone does not consume animal products .. I hope I am echoing all opinions and not just my own ... You certainly are vegetarian from what you say of your diet , but Vegan does go further .. So by definition a vegan is someone who " eats a plant-based diet free from all animal products, including milk, eggs and honey." Vegans has also come to mean someone who does not wear leather, wool or silk and someone who uses no products containing any animal byproducts or is currently tested on animals .. example I use no cleaning products, makeup, etc that contain any animal ingredient and is not tested on animals .. So I really don't know if you are Vegan , but I am happy you have chosen not to eat animals .. be well Conniesbibeau <sbibeau > wrote:

 

Greetings,I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts, seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on much of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a "meatie" - at least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for a while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I gained a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this year - they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my hubby's cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back to the "fruits" - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan or "frugan" (I just made that up) since a very young age when my brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans (everything). "Fruits" are food and useful too - I don't even really like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now to the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but it is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat what I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't want pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't care for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one, thanks, but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat fruits, nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.Shells

 

 

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If you do have to have "labels", then I suppose they would be classed as vegetarian, not dietry vegan. The Valley Vegan.............Oom Yaaqub <oomyaaqub wrote: Is there a word for someone who eats no meat, fish, eggs, or dairy, but who does eat honey? ----- Original

Message ----- metalscarab Monday, May 14, 2007 1:06 PM Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition Hi Connie The Vegan Society defines Vegan pretty much as you have. However, they do also use the term "dietary vegan" to apply to those who make those choices purely for their diets, and not in other areas of their life. BB Peter - connie bell Monday, May 14, 2007 5:50 PM Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition Hello Shells , Those of us who are Vegan for the sake of the animals are sure glad when anyone does not consume animal products .. I hope I am echoing all opinions and not just my own ... You certainly are

vegetarian from what you say of your diet , but Vegan does go further .. So by definition a vegan is someone who " eats a plant-based diet free from all animal products, including milk, eggs and honey." Vegans has also come to mean someone who does not wear leather, wool or silk and someone who uses no products containing any animal byproducts or is currently tested on animals .. example I use no cleaning products, makeup, etc that contain any animal ingredient and is not tested on animals .. So I really don't know if you are Vegan , but I am happy you have chosen not to eat animals .. be well Conniesbibeau <sbibeau > wrote: Greetings,I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts, seeds, legumes.

I have been what I thought was vegan off and on much of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a "meatie" - at least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for a while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I gained a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this year - they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my hubby's cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back to the "fruits" - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan or "frugan" (I just made that up) since a very young age when my brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans (everything). "Fruits" are food and useful too - I don't even really like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now to the

tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but it is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat what I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't want pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't care for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one, thanks, but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat fruits, nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.Shells Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Peter H

 

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That's not really specific enough. I mean, just giving up dairy and eggs is considered extreme by most people in our culture, and it necessitates a very different diet than the typical vegetarian diet. My best friend in high school kept bees; I know they benefit crops as well as providing honey. I think there are a lot of people who feel differently about insects than about members of their own phylum.

 

 

 

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peter VV

Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:40 PM

Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition

 

 

 

If you do have to have "labels", then I suppose they would be classed as vegetarian, not dietry vegan.

 

The Valley Vegan.............Oom Yaaqub <oomyaaqub (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Is there a word for someone who eats no meat, fish, eggs, or dairy, but who does eat honey?

 

 

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metalscarab

Monday, May 14, 2007 1:06 PM

Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition

 

 

 

Hi Connie

 

The Vegan Society defines Vegan pretty much as you have. However, they do also use the term "dietary vegan" to apply to those who make those choices purely for their diets, and not in other areas of their life.

 

BB

Peter

 

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connie bell

Monday, May 14, 2007 5:50 PM

Re: Argh! Newbie intro & help - vegan definition

Hello Shells , Those of us who are Vegan for the sake of the animals are sure glad when anyone does not consume animal products .. I hope I am echoing all opinions and not just my own ... You certainly are vegetarian from what you say of your diet , but Vegan does go further .. So by definition a vegan is someone who " eats a plant-based diet free from all animal products, including milk, eggs and honey." Vegans has also come to mean someone who does not wear leather, wool or silk and someone who uses no products containing any animal byproducts or is currently tested on animals .. example I use no cleaning products, makeup, etc that contain any animal ingredient and is not tested on animals .. So I really don't know if you are Vegan , but I am happy you have chosen not to eat animals .. be well Conniesbibeau <sbibeau > wrote:

 

Greetings,I am new here. I joined a few vegan groups hoping to discuss my favorite topic - food! which to me is mostly fruits, grains, nuts, seeds, legumes. I have been what I thought was vegan off and on much of my life. My womnderful husband (of 17 years) is a "meatie" - at least that is what I call him. After joining in with his family for a while and eating what they eat (sausage, yuck!) I found that I gained a few pounds and my cholesterol went up (in just one year!). His family members live into their 90s - his grandpa turns 99 this year - they are farmers and grow corn, soybeans, barley, etc. - my hubby's cholesterol is normal. That is them - this is me, the lactose intolerant one, who gets acid reflux when she eats meat - so back to the "fruits" - I have been what I might call an instinctutual vegan or "frugan" (I just made that up) since a very young age when my brother and I tried to make everything out of soybeans (everything). "Fruits" are food and useful too - I don't even really like lots of onions, garlic, and other rooty stuff, go figure. Now to the tough part. I read your recent group posts about animals - but it is just not an issue for me personally - I never decided to eat what I do because of animals - they don't enter my thoughts - I don't want pets, yuck, just don't like wool - (isn't cotton great!) - don't care for leather either - fur, not my thing - hubby bought me one, thanks, but faux works just as good, cheaper too. My point is - I eat fruits, nuts, grains, legumes for health and pleasure. Does that mean I am not vegan? BTW, I cook my beans so I guess am not raw either.Shells

 

 

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