Vegan Semantics

December 3, 2005

Your being vegan can make a difference to lab animals. By supporting companies that dont use them, and boycotting ones that do, you are making a contribution to making a difference. The more they get the message the bigger the difference. So keep using "animal friendly" products - cosmectics, dtergents etc. The Valley Vegan................ linda <lindai81 wrote: My being vegan doesn't do a thing for the animals in the testing laboratories. I never ate monkeys, or the many other primates used, or rats, cat, dog and the most people don't. Yes, my children find me to be an embarrassment at times, but I finally realized that they are proud and actually admire my being a thorn in some

people's sides. I don't preach to them at all since I figure that they wouldn't get it if they didn't get it to begin with after all of these years with me. linda "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 - Susan Friday, December 02, 2005 3:05 PM Re: Vegan Semantics --- linda <lindai81 wrote:I regret that I am not strong enough to go> and physically do something about them. Their> pictures are planted in my head too and so is my> shame and sorrow.Sometimes one person can make a difference and onedoesn't necessarily have to do it physically. Bychoosing to be vegan, I am doing something about it. Also, recently, I wrote the city shelter, the mayor,and the city council about a situation involving birdsat the shelter and I kept asking for follow up all theway through to the end (so they couldn't just brush meoff). The end result was a

positive one for thebirds. I don't do a lot of activism and one of mydaughters was embarrassed, but I explained to her thatwhile I understood her position I am still my ownperson and needed to do what I thought was right forthe animals. Later, she apologized and agreed thatwhat I did was necessary. I didn't think she neededto apologize just for expressing herself! Afterall,look who her mother is . . .me! I just keeping moveforward. My past mistakes are part of what makes mewho I am today and that's pretty good for an ole'dame. Susan> > For me the people that know about the abuse and> continue to participate in it make me wild. LOL That> is not an adult responsible way to live ones life.> We wouldn't excuse it if they were ignoring someone> abusing, beating, starving a child and said they> knew it was happening but they won't do anything>

about it? I knew what you are saying about accepting> where they are at, but I can't condone or excuse it> and they won't get a pass from me. Animals, children> and the elderly are powerless and defenseless. They> have only us. Of course I am not without guilt as it> took me much too long to realize any of this. How> many animals have suffered because of me?> linda> "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is> very important that you do it."> Mohandas Gandhi> > linda's Growing Stitchery Projects:> womyn47> - > Susan > > One of the things that changed one of my daughters> from eating beef was when she parked next to a> cattle> truck and saw one of the steer's eyes looking>

through> the grate, white and rolling with fear. She is> unable> to eat read meat now.I, too, know people who> cannot bear to actually look at the abuse. figure> that is the place they need to be in at the> time. At least they admit that it occurs. > Admitting> it is one of those first steps. Not wanting to see> it> may be an admission to themselves that it is too> horrifying to bear. I can also understand how> they> feel. I went on the PETA website and saw video of> monkeys being used for research. Unfortunately, I> did> it at work and it took me some time to stop crying> and> get control of myself. At least I was in my own> cubicle and had a big box of tissue--it wasn't

the> most pleasant break I've ever had. There have been> a> lot of disaster in the last few years and who> knows> what personal horrors a person may have? Lessons> are> best learned when people are ready to learn them,> so I> respect the space people need . . .most of the> time.> There have been other times I've been more> activistic.> I like the step-by-step process you discuss below> and> I think that might be really helpful to some> people. > Susan> > Start your day with - Make it your home page! http://www./r/hsTo send an email to - Peter H

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December 4, 2005

I imagine that very few vegans would be willing to go to war.

Jo

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linda

Saturday, December 03, 2005 5:13 AM

Re: Vegan Semantics

I'll have to remember to look for the movie Bug.

Today there were ten soldiers killed in Iraq. I was wondering....how many vegans would go to a war like that willing to kill? Or is that reverence for life spill over into that area too? Not really many really young people in their late teens and twenties do the vegan thing for health do they? Seems they would be more likely to do it as a statement about life and its meaning. And how would the military deal with the food demands of vegans? I think that they do make allowances for Jews and Muslims. Just a thought.

I was thinking when I read your post that it sounded like something I have written about my reasons for being vegan. And now that has spread to buying only organic...not for my health, but for the health of the planet and the generations to come. It seems like this just might be a disease as it seems to spread out to encircle a lot of other things too. Yes, my daughter and her husband take care pick the spiders up and take them outside out of respect for me. They are both vegans too, but they would rather kill the spider as they both have a fear of them.

I had a friend who said his grandmother used to say she wouldn't kill a spider as she was afraid she would come back as spider food!

linda

"Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi

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Susan

Friday, December 02, 2005 7:16 PM

Re: Vegan Semantics

I think being vegan makes a statement about respectinglife . . .all life. I am setting an example for mychildren and grandchildren, whether or not they choosethis lifestyle. They will know that there are peoplein the world who care what happens to other beings. Ican see small changes others around me make. We walkthrough the world with our being and that has animpact even though we may not know it or see it. Theway we choose to be matters. There is a movie thatkind of reflects this, it's called Bug if you get achance to see it (not the animated film, Bugs). It'sabout how every action we take or don't take has animpact--some we may not even know about. People atwork ask me why I'm vegan and I have an opportunity tosay why. My being vegan means I'm not contributing tothe pain and suffering. I'm not financially supportingbusinesses who do. I can't change the world and I'mnot really trying to, but I can change my part in itby the actions I take and hopefully someone will seeme pick up an earthworm and return it to the soil andthink hey, maybe I can do that too. I chose not tokill spiders in my house and two of my daughters alsocatch and release them. That means one of mygrandaughters is seeing her mom catch and release theminstead of crushing them. She's only five but isalready learning something about the importance oflife. What did I gain by stopping my allergy shots? I stopped my part in the cruelty. I had anopportunity to discuss ethics with my physician. Aperson can become as active as they want; but smallthings do matter on the planet even when they seemlike they don't. For me, being vegan isn't a smallthing, it's a big thing that has had a domino effecton my life and impacts more and more of my decisionsevery day. When I saw that video clip of lab animals,I discussed it with a few coworkers. How do I knowsome of them didn't later go home and have a look? How do I know someone in the chain isn't going to domore than I did? I don't know. I'm responsible for mybeing and I take a stand when I can--being vegan to meis also taking a stand. A lifetime stand.P.S. I love it when my kids get embarrassed it'spayback for when I was raising them! (just kidding)

December 5, 2005

Ha! Your grandmother may have something there; I

believe in reincarnation. When you talk about war, it

may be that we are all spider food right now! susan

--- linda <lindai81 wrote:

> I'll have to remember to look for the movie Bug.

>

> Today there were ten soldiers killed in Iraq. I was

> wondering....how many vegans would go to a war like

> that willing to kill? Or is that reverence for life

> spill over into that area too? Not really many

> really young people in their late teens and twenties

> do the vegan thing for health do they? Seems they

> would be more likely to do it as a statement about

> life and its meaning. And how would the military

> deal with the food demands of vegans? I think that

> they do make allowances for Jews and Muslims. Just a

> thought.

>

> I was thinking when I read your post that it sounded

> like something I have written about my reasons for

> being vegan. And now that has spread to buying only

> organic...not for my health, but for the health of

> the planet and the generations to come. It seems

> like this just might be a disease as it seems to

> spread out to encircle a lot of other things too.

> Yes, my daughter and her husband take care pick the

> spiders up and take them outside out of respect for

> me. They are both vegans too, but they would rather

> kill the spider as they both have a fear of them.

>

> I had a friend who said his grandmother used to say

> she wouldn't kill a spider as she was afraid she

> would come back as spider food!

> linda

> " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is

> very important that you do it. "

> Mohandas Gandhi

>

> linda's Growing Stitchery Projects:

> womyn47

> -

> Susan

>

> Friday, December 02, 2005 7:16 PM

> Re: Vegan Semantics

>

> I think being vegan makes a statement about

> respecting

> life . . .all life. I am setting an example for

> my

> children and grandchildren, whether or not they

> choose

> this lifestyle. They will know that there are

> people

> in the world who care what happens to other

> beings. I

> can see small changes others around me make. We

> walk

> through the world with our being and that has an

> impact even though we may not know it or see it.

> The

> way we choose to be matters. There is a movie

> that

> kind of reflects this, it's called Bug if you get

> a

> chance to see it (not the animated film, Bugs).

> It's

> about how every action we take or don't take has

> an

> impact--some we may not even know about. People at

> work ask me why I'm vegan and I have an

> opportunity to

> say why. My being vegan means I'm not

> contributing to

> the pain and suffering. I'm not financially

> supporting

> businesses who do. I can't change the world and

> I'm

> not really trying to, but I can change my part in

> it

> by the actions I take and hopefully someone will

> see

> me pick up an earthworm and return it to the soil

> and

> think hey, maybe I can do that too. I chose not to

> kill spiders in my house and two of my daughters

> also

> catch and release them. That means one of my

> grandaughters is seeing her mom catch and release

> them

> instead of crushing them. She's only five but is

> already learning something about the importance of

> life. What did I gain by stopping my allergy

> shots?

> I stopped my part in the cruelty. I had an

> opportunity to discuss ethics with my physician.

> A

> person can become as active as they want; but

> small

> things do matter on the planet even when they seem

> like they don't. For me, being vegan isn't a small

> thing, it's a big thing that has had a domino

> effect

> on my life and impacts more and more of my

> decisions

> every day. When I saw that video clip of lab

> animals,

> I discussed it with a few coworkers. How do I

> know

> some of them didn't later go home and have a look?

>

> How do I know someone in the chain isn't going to

> do

> more than I did? I don't know. I'm responsible

> for my

> being and I take a stand when I can--being vegan

> to me

> is also taking a stand. A lifetime stand.

>

> P.S. I love it when my kids get embarrassed it's

> payback for when I was raising them! (just

> kidding)

>

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December 5, 2005

When people lack empathy for animals they more than

likely will be lacking in the human empathy department

as well. It all ties in. Susan

--- linda <lindai81 wrote:

Some will get a bit snotty and say

> that I care more for animals than humans and put

> animals above human welfare.

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December 5, 2005

I think the Hare Krishnas believe that you come back as the animal

you have done most harm to.

Jo

, Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote:

>

> Ha! Your grandmother may have something there; I

> believe in reincarnation. When you talk about war, it

> may be that we are all spider food right now! susan

>

> --- linda <lindai81@c...> wrote:

>

> > I'll have to remember to look for the movie Bug.

> >

> > Today there were ten soldiers killed in Iraq. I was

> > wondering....how many vegans would go to a war like

> > that willing to kill? Or is that reverence for life

> > spill over into that area too? Not really many

> > really young people in their late teens and twenties

> > do the vegan thing for health do they? Seems they

> > would be more likely to do it as a statement about

> > life and its meaning. And how would the military

> > deal with the food demands of vegans? I think that

> > they do make allowances for Jews and Muslims. Just a

> > thought.

> >

> > I was thinking when I read your post that it sounded

> > like something I have written about my reasons for

> > being vegan. And now that has spread to buying only

> > organic...not for my health, but for the health of

> > the planet and the generations to come. It seems

> > like this just might be a disease as it seems to

> > spread out to encircle a lot of other things too.

> > Yes, my daughter and her husband take care pick the

> > spiders up and take them outside out of respect for

> > me. They are both vegans too, but they would rather

> > kill the spider as they both have a fear of them.

> >

> > I had a friend who said his grandmother used to say

> > she wouldn't kill a spider as she was afraid she

> > would come back as spider food!

> > linda

> > " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is

> > very important that you do it. "

> > Mohandas Gandhi

> >

> > linda's Growing Stitchery Projects:

> > womyn47

> > -

> > Susan

> >

> > Friday, December 02, 2005 7:16 PM

> > Re: Vegan Semantics

> >

> > I think being vegan makes a statement about

> > respecting

> > life . . .all life. I am setting an example for

> > my

> > children and grandchildren, whether or not they

> > choose

> > this lifestyle. They will know that there are

> > people

> > in the world who care what happens to other

> > beings. I

> > can see small changes others around me make. We

> > walk

> > through the world with our being and that has an

> > impact even though we may not know it or see it.

> > The

> > way we choose to be matters. There is a movie

> > that

> > kind of reflects this, it's called Bug if you get

> > a

> > chance to see it (not the animated film, Bugs).

> > It's

> > about how every action we take or don't take has

> > an

> > impact--some we may not even know about. People at

> > work ask me why I'm vegan and I have an

> > opportunity to

> > say why. My being vegan means I'm not

> > contributing to

> > the pain and suffering. I'm not financially

> > supporting

> > businesses who do. I can't change the world and

> > I'm

> > not really trying to, but I can change my part in

> > it

> > by the actions I take and hopefully someone will

> > see

> > me pick up an earthworm and return it to the soil

> > and

> > think hey, maybe I can do that too. I chose not to

> > kill spiders in my house and two of my daughters

> > also

> > catch and release them. That means one of my

> > grandaughters is seeing her mom catch and release

> > them

> > instead of crushing them. She's only five but is

> > already learning something about the importance of

> > life. What did I gain by stopping my allergy

> > shots?

> > I stopped my part in the cruelty. I had an

> > opportunity to discuss ethics with my physician.

> > A

> > person can become as active as they want; but

> > small

> > things do matter on the planet even when they seem

> > like they don't. For me, being vegan isn't a small

> > thing, it's a big thing that has had a domino

> > effect

> > on my life and impacts more and more of my

> > decisions

> > every day. When I saw that video clip of lab

> > animals,

> > I discussed it with a few coworkers. How do I

> > know

> > some of them didn't later go home and have a look?

> >

> > How do I know someone in the chain isn't going to

> > do

> > more than I did? I don't know. I'm responsible

> > for my

> > being and I take a stand when I can--being vegan

> > to me

> > is also taking a stand. A lifetime stand.

> >

> > P.S. I love it when my kids get embarrassed it's

> > payback for when I was raising them! (just

> > kidding)

> >

>

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> http://www./r/hs

>

December 5, 2005

I am jewish so I don't believe in reincarnationheartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: I think the Hare Krishnas believe that you come back as the animal you have done most harm to.Jo , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote:>> Ha! Your grandmother may have something there; I> believe in reincarnation. When you talk about war, it> may be that we are all spider food right now! susan> > --- linda <lindai81@c...> wrote:> > > I'll have to remember to look for the movie Bug.> > > > Today there were ten soldiers killed in Iraq. I was> > wondering....how many vegans would go to a war like> > that willing to kill? Or is that reverence for life> > spill over into that

area too? Not really many> > really young people in their late teens and twenties> > do the vegan thing for health do they? Seems they> > would be more likely to do it as a statement about> > life and its meaning. And how would the military> > deal with the food demands of vegans? I think that> > they do make allowances for Jews and Muslims. Just a> > thought.> > > > I was thinking when I read your post that it sounded> > like something I have written about my reasons for> > being vegan. And now that has spread to buying only> > organic...not for my health, but for the health of> > the planet and the generations to come. It seems> > like this just might be a disease as it seems to> > spread out to encircle a lot of other things too.> > Yes, my daughter and her husband take care pick the> > spiders up and take them

outside out of respect for> > me. They are both vegans too, but they would rather> > kill the spider as they both have a fear of them. > > > > I had a friend who said his grandmother used to say> > she wouldn't kill a spider as she was afraid she> > would come back as spider food!> > linda> > linda> > "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is> > very important that you do it."> > Mohandas Gandhi> > > > linda's Growing Stitchery Projects:> > womyn47> > - > > Susan > > > > Friday, December 02, 2005 7:16 PM> > Re: Vegan Semantics> > > > >

> I think being vegan makes a statement about> > respecting> > life . . .all life. I am setting an example for> > my> > children and grandchildren, whether or not they> > choose> > this lifestyle. They will know that there are> > people> > in the world who care what happens to other> > beings. I> > can see small changes others around me make. We> > walk> > through the world with our being and that has an> > impact even though we may not know it or see it. > > The> > way we choose to be matters. There is a movie> > that> > kind of reflects this, it's called Bug if you get> > a> > chance to see it (not the animated film, Bugs). >

> It's> > about how every action we take or don't take has> > an> > impact--some we may not even know about. People at> > work ask me why I'm vegan and I have an> > opportunity to> > say why. My being vegan means I'm not> > contributing to> > the pain and suffering. I'm not financially> > supporting> > businesses who do. I can't change the world and> > I'm> > not really trying to, but I can change my part in> > it> > by the actions I take and hopefully someone will> > see> > me pick up an earthworm and return it to the soil> > and> > think hey, maybe I can do that too. I chose not to> > kill spiders in my house and two of my daughters> >

also> > catch and release them. That means one of my> > grandaughters is seeing her mom catch and release> > them> > instead of crushing them. She's only five but is> > already learning something about the importance of> > life. What did I gain by stopping my allergy> > shots? > > I stopped my part in the cruelty. I had an> > opportunity to discuss ethics with my physician. > > A> > person can become as active as they want; but> > small> > things do matter on the planet even when they seem> > like they don't. For me, being vegan isn't a small> > thing, it's a big thing that has had a domino> > effect> > on my life and impacts more and more of my>

> decisions> > every day. When I saw that video clip of lab> > animals,> > I discussed it with a few coworkers. How do I> > know> > some of them didn't later go home and have a look?> > > > How do I know someone in the chain isn't going to> > do> > more than I did? I don't know. I'm responsible> > for my> > being and I take a stand when I can--being vegan> > to me> > is also taking a stand. A lifetime stand.> > > > P.S. I love it when my kids get embarrassed it's> > payback for when I was raising them! (just> > kidding)> > > > > > >

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December 5, 2005

Don't know about military but here in UK if the polis are holding a muslinm in

custody,

they are supposed to offer him or her veggie food as all veggie food is halal

, Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote:

>

> Ha! Your grandmother may have something there; I

> believe in reincarnation. When you talk about war, it

> may be that we are all spider food right now! susan

>

> --- linda <lindai81@c...> wrote:

>

> > I'll have to remember to look for the movie Bug.

> >

> > Today there were ten soldiers killed in Iraq. I was

> > wondering....how many vegans would go to a war like

> > that willing to kill? Or is that reverence for life

> > spill over into that area too? Not really many

> > really young people in their late teens and twenties

> > do the vegan thing for health do they? Seems they

> > would be more likely to do it as a statement about

> > life and its meaning. And how would the military

> > deal with the food demands of vegans? I think that

> > they do make allowances for Jews and Muslims. Just a

> > thought.

> >

> > I was thinking when I read your post that it sounded

> > like something I have written about my reasons for

> > being vegan. And now that has spread to buying only

> > organic...not for my health, but for the health of

> > the planet and the generations to come. It seems

> > like this just might be a disease as it seems to

> > spread out to encircle a lot of other things too.

> > Yes, my daughter and her husband take care pick the

> > spiders up and take them outside out of respect for

> > me. They are both vegans too, but they would rather

> > kill the spider as they both have a fear of them.

> >

> > I had a friend who said his grandmother used to say

> > she wouldn't kill a spider as she was afraid she

> > would come back as spider food!

> > linda

> > " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is

> > very important that you do it. "

> > Mohandas Gandhi

> >

> > linda's Growing Stitchery Projects:

> > womyn47

> > -

> > Susan

> >

> > Friday, December 02, 2005 7:16 PM

> > Re: Vegan Semantics

> >

> > I think being vegan makes a statement about

> > respecting

> > life . . .all life. I am setting an example for

> > my

> > children and grandchildren, whether or not they

> > choose

> > this lifestyle. They will know that there are

> > people

> > in the world who care what happens to other

> > beings. I

> > can see small changes others around me make. We

> > walk

> > through the world with our being and that has an

> > impact even though we may not know it or see it.

> > The

> > way we choose to be matters. There is a movie

> > that

> > kind of reflects this, it's called Bug if you get

> > a

> > chance to see it (not the animated film, Bugs).

> > It's

> > about how every action we take or don't take has

> > an

> > impact--some we may not even know about. People at

> > work ask me why I'm vegan and I have an

> > opportunity to

> > say why. My being vegan means I'm not

> > contributing to

> > the pain and suffering. I'm not financially

> > supporting

> > businesses who do. I can't change the world and

> > I'm

> > not really trying to, but I can change my part in

> > it

> > by the actions I take and hopefully someone will

> > see

> > me pick up an earthworm and return it to the soil

> > and

> > think hey, maybe I can do that too. I chose not to

> > kill spiders in my house and two of my daughters

> > also

> > catch and release them. That means one of my

> > grandaughters is seeing her mom catch and release

> > them

> > instead of crushing them. She's only five but is

> > already learning something about the importance of

> > life. What did I gain by stopping my allergy

> > shots?

> > I stopped my part in the cruelty. I had an

> > opportunity to discuss ethics with my physician.

> > A

> > person can become as active as they want; but

> > small

> > things do matter on the planet even when they seem

> > like they don't. For me, being vegan isn't a small

> > thing, it's a big thing that has had a domino

> > effect

> > on my life and impacts more and more of my

> > decisions

> > every day. When I saw that video clip of lab

> > animals,

> > I discussed it with a few coworkers. How do I

> > know

> > some of them didn't later go home and have a look?

> >

> > How do I know someone in the chain isn't going to

> > do

> > more than I did? I don't know. I'm responsible

> > for my

> > being and I take a stand when I can--being vegan

> > to me

> > is also taking a stand. A lifetime stand.

> >

> > P.S. I love it when my kids get embarrassed it's

> > payback for when I was raising them! (just

> > kidding)

> >

>

> Start your day with - Make it your home page!

> http://www./r/hs

>

December 5, 2005

As you all are aware of the US is holding many prisoners from various countries and mostly outside of this country, but I have heard that the Muslims are being fed appropriate to their beliefs. But as you all also know the American people are rarely told the truth. There seems to be a small awakening though in this country.

linda

"Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi

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herbvalerian

Monday, December 05, 2005 7:54 AM

Re: Vegan Semantics

Don't know about military but here in UK if the polis are holding a muslinm in custody, they are supposed to offer him or her veggie food as all veggie food is halal , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote:>> Ha! Your grandmother may have something there; I> believe in reincarnation. When you talk about war, it> may be that we are all spider food right now! susan> > --- linda <lindai81@c...> wrote:> > > I'll have to remember to look for the movie Bug.> > > > Today there were ten soldiers killed in Iraq. I was> > wondering....how many vegans would go to a war like> > that willing to kill? Or is that reverence for life> > spill over into that area too? Not really many> > really young people in their late teens and twenties> > do the vegan thing for health do they? Seems they> > would be more likely to do it as a statement about> > life and its meaning. And how would the military> > deal with the food demands of vegans? I think that> > they do make allowances for Jews and Muslims. Just a> > thought.> > > > I was thinking when I read your post that it sounded> > like something I have written about my reasons for> > being vegan. And now that has spread to buying only> > organic...not for my health, but for the health of> > the planet and the generations to come. It seems> > like this just might be a disease as it seems to> > spread out to encircle a lot of other things too.> > Yes, my daughter and her husband take care pick the> > spiders up and take them outside out of respect for> > me. They are both vegans too, but they would rather> > kill the spider as they both have a fear of them. > > > > I had a friend who said his grandmother used to say> > she wouldn't kill a spider as she was afraid she> > would come back as spider food!> > linda> > linda> > "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is> > very important that you do it."> > Mohandas Gandhi> > > > linda's Growing Stitchery Projects:> > womyn47> > - > > Susan > > > > Friday, December 02, 2005 7:16 PM> > Re: Vegan Semantics> > > > > > I think being vegan makes a statement about> > respecting> > life . . .all life. I am setting an example for> > my> > children and grandchildren, whether or not they> > choose> > this lifestyle. They will know that there are> > people> > in the world who care what happens to other> > beings. I> > can see small changes others around me make. We> > walk> > through the world with our being and that has an> > impact even though we may not know it or see it. > > The> > way we choose to be matters. There is a movie> > that> > kind of reflects this, it's called Bug if you get> > a> > chance to see it (not the animated film, Bugs). > > It's> > about how every action we take or don't take has> > an> > impact--some we may not even know about. People at> > work ask me why I'm vegan and I have an> > opportunity to> > say why. My being vegan means I'm not> > contributing to> > the pain and suffering. I'm not financially> > supporting> > businesses who do. I can't change the world and> > I'm> > not really trying to, but I can change my part in> > it> > by the actions I take and hopefully someone will> > see> > me pick up an earthworm and return it to the soil> > and> > think hey, maybe I can do that too. I chose not to> > kill spiders in my house and two of my daughters> > also> > catch and release them. That means one of my> > grandaughters is seeing her mom catch and release> > them> > instead of crushing them. She's only five but is> > already learning something about the importance of> > life. What did I gain by stopping my allergy> > shots? > > I stopped my part in the cruelty. I had an> > opportunity to discuss ethics with my physician. > > A> > person can become as active as they want; but> > small> > things do matter on the planet even when they seem> > like they don't. For me, being vegan isn't a small> > thing, it's a big thing that has had a domino> > effect> > on my life and impacts more and more of my> > decisions> > every day. When I saw that video clip of lab> > animals,> > I discussed it with a few coworkers. How do I> > know> > some of them didn't later go home and have a look?> > > > How do I know someone in the chain isn't going to> > do> > more than I did? I don't know. I'm responsible> > for my> > being and I take a stand when I can--being vegan> > to me> > is also taking a stand. A lifetime stand.> > > > P.S. I love it when my kids get embarrassed it's> > payback for when I was raising them! (just> > kidding)> > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home page! > http://www./r/hs>

December 5, 2005

My daughter went to visit a friend who she went to high school with and then when he graduated, he joined the Marines. Anyhow, they were having a ball and she while she was there she walk chatting with several women who are also in the service. They said that the military doesn't give them anything for that time of the month and not only that, they aren't allowed to use anything. I can't imagine that would be the case? If it is, I can't imagine they would work with any soldier and their special dietary needs. Does anyone else have any scoop on either of these subjects?Susan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: Ha! Your grandmother may have something there; Ibelieve in reincarnation. When you talk about war, itmay be that we are all spider food right now! susan--- linda

<lindai81 wrote:> I'll have to remember to look for the movie Bug.> > Today there were ten soldiers killed in Iraq. I was> wondering....how many vegans would go to a war like> that willing to kill? Or is that reverence for life> spill over into that area too? Not really many> really young people in their late teens and twenties> do the vegan thing for health do they? Seems they> would be more likely to do it as a statement about> life and its meaning. And how would the military> deal with the food demands of vegans? I think that> they do make allowances for Jews and Muslims. Just a> thought.> > I was thinking when I read your post that it sounded> like something I have written about my reasons for> being vegan. And now that has spread to buying only> organic...not for my health, but for the health of> the planet and the

generations to come. It seems> like this just might be a disease as it seems to> spread out to encircle a lot of other things too.> Yes, my daughter and her husband take care pick the> spiders up and take them outside out of respect for> me. They are both vegans too, but they would rather> kill the spider as they both have a fear of them. > > I had a friend who said his grandmother used to say> she wouldn't kill a spider as she was afraid she> would come back as spider food!> linda> linda> "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is> very important that you do it."> Mohandas Gandhi> > linda's Growing Stitchery Projects:> womyn47> - > Susan > >

Friday, December 02, 2005 7:16 PM> Re: Vegan Semantics> > > I think being vegan makes a statement about> respecting> life . . .all life. I am setting an example for> my> children and grandchildren, whether or not they> choose> this lifestyle. They will know that there are> people> in the world who care what happens to other> beings. I> can see small changes others around me make. We> walk> through the world with our being and that has an> impact even though we may not know it or see it. > The> way we choose to be matters. There is a movie> that> kind of reflects this, it's called Bug if you get> a> chance to see it (not the

animated film, Bugs). > It's> about how every action we take or don't take has> an> impact--some we may not even know about. People at> work ask me why I'm vegan and I have an> opportunity to> say why. My being vegan means I'm not> contributing to> the pain and suffering. I'm not financially> supporting> businesses who do. I can't change the world and> I'm> not really trying to, but I can change my part in> it> by the actions I take and hopefully someone will> see> me pick up an earthworm and return it to the soil> and> think hey, maybe I can do that too. I chose not to> kill spiders in my house and two of my daughters> also> catch and release them. That means one of

my> grandaughters is seeing her mom catch and release> them> instead of crushing them. She's only five but is> already learning something about the importance of> life. What did I gain by stopping my allergy> shots? > I stopped my part in the cruelty. I had an> opportunity to discuss ethics with my physician. > A> person can become as active as they want; but> small> things do matter on the planet even when they seem> like they don't. For me, being vegan isn't a small> thing, it's a big thing that has had a domino> effect> on my life and impacts more and more of my> decisions> every day. When I saw that video clip of lab> animals,> I discussed it with a few

coworkers. How do I> know> some of them didn't later go home and have a look?> > How do I know someone in the chain isn't going to> do> more than I did? I don't know. I'm responsible> for my> being and I take a stand when I can--being vegan> to me> is also taking a stand. A lifetime stand.> > P.S. I love it when my kids get embarrassed it's> payback for when I was raising them! (just> kidding)> Start your day with - Make it your home page! http://www./r/hs

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Two of my daughters were in the U.S. military (army

and navy) and if you believe that (about sanitary

supplies not being provided), you believe a crow can

use a piece of plastic to go down a slide (I really

did read that). Ha! Susan

--- Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens wrote:

> My daughter went to visit a friend who she went to

> high school with and then when he graduated, he

> joined the Marines. Anyhow, they were having a ball

> and she while she was there she walk chatting with

> several women who are also in the service. They

> said that the military doesn't give them anything

> for that time of the month and not only that, they

> aren't allowed to use anything. I can't imagine

> that would be the case? If it is, I can't imagine

> they would work with any soldier and their special

> dietary needs. Does anyone else have any scoop on

> either of these subjects?

>

> Susan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: Ha! Your

> grandmother may have something there; I

> believe in reincarnation. When you talk about war,

> it

> may be that we are all spider food right now! susan

>

> --- linda <lindai81 wrote:

>

> > I'll have to remember to look for the movie Bug.

> >

> > Today there were ten soldiers killed in Iraq. I

> was

> > wondering....how many vegans would go to a war

> like

> > that willing to kill? Or is that reverence for

> life

> > spill over into that area too? Not really many

> > really young people in their late teens and

> twenties

> > do the vegan thing for health do they? Seems they

> > would be more likely to do it as a statement about

> > life and its meaning. And how would the military

> > deal with the food demands of vegans? I think that

> > they do make allowances for Jews and Muslims. Just

> a

> > thought.

> >

> > I was thinking when I read your post that it

> sounded

> > like something I have written about my reasons for

> > being vegan. And now that has spread to buying

> only

> > organic...not for my health, but for the health of

> > the planet and the generations to come. It seems

> > like this just might be a disease as it seems to

> > spread out to encircle a lot of other things too.

> > Yes, my daughter and her husband take care pick

> the

> > spiders up and take them outside out of respect

> for

> > me. They are both vegans too, but they would

> rather

> > kill the spider as they both have a fear of them.

> >

> > I had a friend who said his grandmother used to

> say

> > she wouldn't kill a spider as she was afraid she

> > would come back as spider food!

> > linda

> > " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is

> > very important that you do it. "

> > Mohandas Gandhi

> >

> > linda's Growing Stitchery Projects:

> > womyn47

> > -

> > Susan

> >

> > Friday, December 02, 2005 7:16 PM

> > Re: Vegan Semantics

> >

> > I think being vegan makes a statement about

> > respecting

> > life . . .all life. I am setting an example for

> > my

> > children and grandchildren, whether or not they

> > choose

> > this lifestyle. They will know that there are

> > people

> > in the world who care what happens to other

> > beings. I

> > can see small changes others around me make. We

> > walk

> > through the world with our being and that has an

> > impact even though we may not know it or see it.

>

> > The

> > way we choose to be matters. There is a movie

> > that

> > kind of reflects this, it's called Bug if you

> get

> > a

> > chance to see it (not the animated film, Bugs).

> > It's

> > about how every action we take or don't take has

> > an

> > impact--some we may not even know about. People

> at

> > work ask me why I'm vegan and I have an

> > opportunity to

> > say why. My being vegan means I'm not

> > contributing to

> > the pain and suffering. I'm not financially

> > supporting

> > businesses who do. I can't change the world and

> > I'm

> > not really trying to, but I can change my part

> in

> > it

> > by the actions I take and hopefully someone will

> > see

> > me pick up an earthworm and return it to the

> soil

> > and

> > think hey, maybe I can do that too. I chose not

> to

> > kill spiders in my house and two of my daughters

> > also

> > catch and release them. That means one of my

> > grandaughters is seeing her mom catch and

> release

> > them

> > instead of crushing them. She's only five but

> is

> > already learning something about the importance

> of

> > life. What did I gain by stopping my allergy

> > shots?

> > I stopped my part in the cruelty. I had an

> > opportunity to discuss ethics with my physician.

>

> > A

> > person can become as active as they want; but

> > small

> > things do matter on the planet even when they

> seem

> > like they don't. For me, being vegan isn't a

> small

> > thing, it's a big thing that has had a domino

> > effect

> > on my life and impacts more and more of my

> > decisions

> > every day. When I saw that video clip of lab

> > animals,

> > I discussed it with a few coworkers. How do I

> > know

> > some of them didn't later go home and have a

> look?

> >

> > How do I know someone in the chain isn't going

> to

> > do

> > more than I did? I don't know. I'm responsible

> > for my

> > being and I take a stand when I can--being vegan

> > to me

> > is also taking a stand. A lifetime stand.

> >

> > P.S. I love it when my kids get embarrassed

> it's

> > payback for when I was raising them! (just

> > kidding)

> >

>

> Start your day with - Make it your home page!

>

> http://www./r/hs

>

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>

December 5, 2005

I don't believe in reincarnation either.

Jo

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sandi gordon

Monday, December 05, 2005 10:20 AM

Re: Vegan Semantics

I am jewish so I don't believe in reincarnationheartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: I think the Hare Krishnas believe that you come back as the animal you have done most harm to.Jo , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote:>> Ha! Your grandmother may have something there; I> believe in reincarnation. When you talk about war, it> may be that we are all spider food right now! susan> > --- linda <lindai81@c...> wrote:> > > I'll have to remember to look for the movie Bug.> > > > Today there were ten soldiers killed in Iraq. I was> > wondering....how many vegans would go to a war like> > that willing to kill? Or is that reverence for life> > spill over into that area too? Not really many> > really young people in their late teens and twenties> > do the vegan thing for health do they? Seems they> > would be more likely to do it as a statement about> > life and its meaning. And how would the military> > deal with the food demands of vegans? I think that> > they do make allowances for Jews and Muslims. Just a> > thought.> > > > I was thinking when I read your post that it sounded> > like something I have written about my reasons for> > being vegan. And now that has spread to buying only> > organic...not for my health, but for the health of> > the planet and the generations to come. It seems> > like this just might be a disease as it seems to> > spread out to encircle a lot of other things too.> > Yes, my daughter and her husband take care pick the> > spiders up and take them outside out of respect for> > me. They are both vegans too, but they would rather> > kill the spider as they both have a fear of them. > > > > I had a friend who said his grandmother used to say> > she wouldn't kill a spider as she was afraid she> > would come back as spider food!> > linda> > linda> > "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is> > very important that you do it."> > Mohandas Gandhi> > > > linda's Growing Stitchery Projects:> > womyn47> > - > > Susan > > > > Friday, December 02, 2005 7:16 PM> > Re: Vegan Semantics> > > > > > I think being vegan makes a statement about> > respecting> > life . . .all life. I am setting an example for> > my> > children and grandchildren, whether or not they> > choose> > this lifestyle. They will know that there are> > people> > in the world who care what happens to other> > beings. I> > can see small changes others around me make. We> > walk> > through the world with our being and that has an> > impact even though we may not know it or see it. > > The> > way we choose to be matters. There is a movie> > that> > kind of reflects this, it's called Bug if you get> > a> > chance to see it (not the animated film, Bugs). > > It's> > about how every action we take or don't take has> > an> > impact--some we may not even know about. People at> > work ask me why I'm vegan and I have an> > opportunity to> > say why. My being vegan means I'm not> > contributing to> > the pain and suffering. I'm not financially> > supporting> > businesses who do. I can't change the world and> > I'm> > not really trying to, but I can change my part in> > it> > by the actions I take and hopefully someone will> > see> > me pick up an earthworm and return it to the soil> > and> > think hey, maybe I can do that too. I chose not to> > kill spiders in my house and two of my daughters> > also> > catch and release them. That means one of my> > grandaughters is seeing her mom catch and release> > them> > instead of crushing them. She's only five but is> > already learning something about the importance of> > life. What did I gain by stopping my allergy> > shots? > > I stopped my part in the cruelty. I had an> > opportunity to discuss ethics with my physician. > > A> > person can become as active as they want; but> > small> > things do matter on the planet even when they seem> > like they don't. For me, being vegan isn't a small> > thing, it's a big thing that has had a domino> > effect> > on my life and impacts more and more of my> > decisions> > every day. When I saw that video clip of lab> > animals,> > I discussed it with a few coworkers. How do I> > know> > some of them didn't later go home and have a look?> > > > How do I know someone in the chain isn't going to> > do> > more than I did? I don't know. I'm responsible> > for my> > being and I take a stand when I can--being vegan> > to me> > is also taking a stand. A lifetime stand.> > > > P.S. I love it when my kids get embarrassed it's> > payback for when I was raising them! (just> > kidding)> > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home page! > http://www./r/hs>

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December 6, 2005

Well, on the US side the women must purchase their own personal products. Nothing is furnished by the military except for food, housing and military clothing. Now I don't know if they would provide for special dietary needs, but I suspect that unless you declare that prior to going to boot camp you are shit out of luck for the vegan thing anyway. There are plenty of dishes offered in the mess hall that would meet a vegetarian diet. I don't remember what they did about kosher Jewish needs though. Over here though women are of course allowed to use whatever personal product they need especially for that "time of the month." Why are we being so delicate...the code ain't fooling no body? The guys can't possibly be that stupid or easily embarrassed at their ages. LOL

linda

"Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi

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Monday, December 05, 2005 10:36 AM

Re: Vegan Semantics

My daughter went to visit a friend who she went to high school with and then when he graduated, he joined the Marines. Anyhow, they were having a ball and she while she was there she walk chatting with several women who are also in the service. They said that the military doesn't give them anything for that time of the month and not only that, they aren't allowed to use anything. I can't imagine that would be the case? If it is, I can't imagine they would work with any soldier and their special dietary needs. Does anyone else have any scoop on either of these subjects?Susan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: Ha! Your grandmother may have something there; Ibelieve in reincarnation. When you talk about war, itmay be that we are all spider food right now! susan--- linda <lindai81 wrote:> I'll have to remember to look for the movie Bug.> > Today there were ten soldiers killed in Iraq. I was> wondering....how many vegans would go to a war like> that willing to kill? Or is that reverence for life> spill over into that area too? Not really many> really young people in their late teens and twenties> do the vegan thing for health do they? Seems they> would be more likely to do it as a statement about> life and its meaning. And how would the military> deal with the food demands of vegans? I think that> they do make allowances for Jews and Muslims. Just a> thought.> > I was thinking when I read your post that it sounded> like something I have written about my reasons for> being vegan. And now that has spread to buying only> organic...not for my health, but for the health of> the planet and the generations to come. It seems> like this just might be a disease as it seems to> spread out to encircle a lot of other things too.> Yes, my daughter and her husband take care pick the> spiders up and take them outside out of respect for> me. They are both vegans too, but they would rather> kill the spider as they both have a fear of them. > > I had a friend who said his grandmother used to say> she wouldn't kill a spider as she was afraid she> would come back as spider food!> linda> linda> "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is> very important that you do it."> Mohandas Gandhi> > linda's Growing Stitchery Projects:> womyn47> - > Susan > > Friday, December 02, 2005 7:16 PM> Re: Vegan Semantics> > > I think being vegan makes a statement about> respecting> life . . .all life. I am setting an example for> my> children and grandchildren, whether or not they> choose> this lifestyle. They will know that there are> people> in the world who care what happens to other> beings. I> can see small changes others around me make. We> walk> through the world with our being and that has an> impact even though we may not know it or see it. > The> way we choose to be matters. There is a movie> that> kind of reflects this, it's called Bug if you get> a> chance to see it (not the animated film, Bugs). > It's> about how every action we take or don't take has> an> impact--some we may not even know about. People at> work ask me why I'm vegan and I have an> opportunity to> say why. My being vegan means I'm not> contributing to> the pain and suffering. I'm not financially> supporting> businesses who do. I can't change the world and> I'm> not really trying to, but I can change my part in> it> by the actions I take and hopefully someone will> see> me pick up an earthworm and return it to the soil> and> think hey, maybe I can do that too. I chose not to> kill spiders in my house and two of my daughters> also> catch and release them. That means one of my> grandaughters is seeing her mom catch and release> them> instead of crushing them. She's only five but is> already learning something about the importance of> life. What did I gain by stopping my allergy> shots? > I stopped my part in the cruelty. I had an> opportunity to discuss ethics with my physician. > A> person can become as active as they want; but> small> things do matter on the planet even when they seem> like they don't. For me, being vegan isn't a small> thing, it's a big thing that has had a domino> effect> on my life and impacts more and more of my> decisions> every day. When I saw that video clip of lab> animals,> I discussed it with a few coworkers. How do I> know> some of them didn't later go home and have a look?> > How do I know someone in the chain isn't going to> do> more than I did? I don't know. I'm responsible> for my> being and I take a stand when I can--being vegan> to me> is also taking a stand. A lifetime stand.> > P.S. I love it when my kids get embarrassed it's> payback for when I was raising them! (just> kidding)> Start your day with - Make it your home page! http://www./r/hs

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December 6, 2005

LOL, I am Jewish also and Buddhist and I do believe in reincarnation but probably not quite as you are thinking of it as being.

linda

"Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi

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sandi gordon

Monday, December 05, 2005 2:20 AM

Re: Vegan Semantics

I am jewish so I don't believe in reincarnationheartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: I think the Hare Krishnas believe that you come back as the animal you have done most harm to.Jo , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote:>> Ha! Your grandmother may have something there; I> believe in reincarnation. When you talk about war, it> may be that we are all spider food right now! susan> > --- linda <lindai81@c...> wrote:> > > I'll have to remember to look for the movie Bug.> > > > Today there were ten soldiers killed in Iraq. I was> > wondering....how many vegans would go to a war like> > that willing to kill? Or is that reverence for life> > spill over into that area too? Not really many> > really young people in their late teens and twenties> > do the vegan thing for health do they? Seems they> > would be more likely to do it as a statement about> > life and its meaning. And how would the military> > deal with the food demands of vegans? I think that> > they do make allowances for Jews and Muslims. Just a> > thought.> > > > I was thinking when I read your post that it sounded> > like something I have written about my reasons for> > being vegan. And now that has spread to buying only> > organic...not for my health, but for the health of> > the planet and the generations to come. It seems> > like this just might be a disease as it seems to> > spread out to encircle a lot of other things too.> > Yes, my daughter and her husband take care pick the> > spiders up and take them outside out of respect for> > me. They are both vegans too, but they would rather> > kill the spider as they both have a fear of them. > > > > I had a friend who said his grandmother used to say> > she wouldn't kill a spider as she was afraid she> > would come back as spider food!> > linda> > linda> > "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is> > very important that you do it."> > Mohandas Gandhi> > > > linda's Growing Stitchery Projects:> > womyn47> > - > > Susan > > > > Friday, December 02, 2005 7:16 PM> > Re: Vegan Semantics> > > > > > I think being vegan makes a statement about> > respecting> > life . . .all life. I am setting an example for> > my> > children and grandchildren, whether or not they> > choose> > this lifestyle. They will know that there are> > people> > in the world who care what happens to other> > beings. I> > can see small changes others around me make. We> > walk> > through the world with our being and that has an> > impact even though we may not know it or see it. > > The> > way we choose to be matters. There is a movie> > that> > kind of reflects this, it's called Bug if you get> > a> > chance to see it (not the animated film, Bugs). > > It's> > about how every action we take or don't take has> > an> > impact--some we may not even know about. People at> > work ask me why I'm vegan and I have an> > opportunity to> > say why. My being vegan means I'm not> > contributing to> > the pain and suffering. I'm not financially> > supporting> > businesses who do. I can't change the world and> > I'm> > not really trying to, but I can change my part in> > it> > by the actions I take and hopefully someone will> > see> > me pick up an earthworm and return it to the soil> > and> > think hey, maybe I can do that too. I chose not to> > kill spiders in my house and two of my daughters> > also> > catch and release them. That means one of my> > grandaughters is seeing her mom catch and release> > them> > instead of crushing them. She's only five but is> > already learning something about the importance of> > life. What did I gain by stopping my allergy> > shots? > > I stopped my part in the cruelty. I had an> > opportunity to discuss ethics with my physician. > > A> > person can become as active as they want; but> > small> > things do matter on the planet even when they seem> > like they don't. For me, being vegan isn't a small> > thing, it's a big thing that has had a domino> > effect> > on my life and impacts more and more of my> > decisions> > every day. When I saw that video clip of lab> > animals,> > I discussed it with a few coworkers. How do I> > know> > some of them didn't later go home and have a look?> > > > How do I know someone in the chain isn't going to> > do> > more than I did? I don't know. I'm responsible> > for my> > being and I take a stand when I can--being vegan> > to me> > is also taking a stand. A lifetime stand.> > > > P.S. I love it when my kids get embarrassed it's> > payback for when I was raising them! (just> > kidding)> > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home page! > http://www./r/hs>

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as far as I know jewish people don't believe in coming back as a a whatever,maybe its your buddhist beliefs that do that,when we die we die linda <lindai81 wrote: LOL, I am Jewish also and Buddhist and I do believe in reincarnation but probably not quite as you are thinking of it as being. linda "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 - sandi gordon Monday, December 05, 2005 2:20 AM Re: Vegan Semantics I am jewish so I don't believe in reincarnationheartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: I think the Hare Krishnas believe that you come back as the animal you have done

most harm to.Jo , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote:>> Ha! Your grandmother may have something there; I> believe in reincarnation. When you talk about war, it> may be that we are all spider food right now! susan> > --- linda <lindai81@c...> wrote:> > > I'll have to remember to look for the movie Bug.> > > > Today there were ten soldiers killed in Iraq. I was> > wondering....how many vegans would go to a war like> > that willing to kill? Or is that reverence for life> > spill over into that area too? Not really many> > really young people in their late teens and twenties> > do the vegan thing for health do they? Seems they> > would be more likely to do it as a statement about> > life and

its meaning. And how would the military> > deal with the food demands of vegans? I think that> > they do make allowances for Jews and Muslims. Just a> > thought.> > > > I was thinking when I read your post that it sounded> > like something I have written about my reasons for> > being vegan. And now that has spread to buying only> > organic...not for my health, but for the health of> > the planet and the generations to come. It seems> > like this just might be a disease as it seems to> > spread out to encircle a lot of other things too.> > Yes, my daughter and her husband take care pick the> > spiders up and take them outside out of respect for> > me. They are both vegans too, but they would rather> > kill the spider as they both have a fear of them. > > > > I had a friend who said his grandmother used to say>

> she wouldn't kill a spider as she was afraid she> > would come back as spider food!> > linda> > linda> > "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is> > very important that you do it."> > Mohandas Gandhi> > > > linda's Growing Stitchery Projects:> > womyn47> > - > > Susan > > > > Friday, December 02, 2005 7:16 PM> > Re: Vegan Semantics> > > > > > I think being vegan makes a statement about> > respecting> > life . . .all life. I am setting an example for> > my> > children and grandchildren, whether or not

they> > choose> > this lifestyle. They will know that there are> > people> > in the world who care what happens to other> > beings. I> > can see small changes others around me make. We> > walk> > through the world with our being and that has an> > impact even though we may not know it or see it. > > The> > way we choose to be matters. There is a movie> > that> > kind of reflects this, it's called Bug if you get> > a> > chance to see it (not the animated film, Bugs). > > It's> > about how every action we take or don't take has> > an> > impact--some we may not even know about. People at> > work ask me why I'm vegan and I have

an> > opportunity to> > say why. My being vegan means I'm not> > contributing to> > the pain and suffering. I'm not financially> > supporting> > businesses who do. I can't change the world and> > I'm> > not really trying to, but I can change my part in> > it> > by the actions I take and hopefully someone will> > see> > me pick up an earthworm and return it to the soil> > and> > think hey, maybe I can do that too. I chose not to> > kill spiders in my house and two of my daughters> > also> > catch and release them. That means one of my> > grandaughters is seeing her mom catch and release> > them> > instead of crushing them. She's only five but

is> > already learning something about the importance of> > life. What did I gain by stopping my allergy> > shots? > > I stopped my part in the cruelty. I had an> > opportunity to discuss ethics with my physician. > > A> > person can become as active as they want; but> > small> > things do matter on the planet even when they seem> > like they don't. For me, being vegan isn't a small> > thing, it's a big thing that has had a domino> > effect> > on my life and impacts more and more of my> > decisions> > every day. When I saw that video clip of lab> > animals,> > I discussed it with a few coworkers. How do I> > know> > some of them

didn't later go home and have a look?> > > > How do I know someone in the chain isn't going to> > do> > more than I did? I don't know. I'm responsible> > for my> > being and I take a stand when I can--being vegan> > to me> > is also taking a stand. A lifetime stand.> > > > P.S. I love it when my kids get embarrassed it's> > payback for when I was raising them! (just> > kidding)> > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home page! > http://www./r/hs> PersonalsSingle?

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And as much as I wish the whole world was all Vegan, I am grateful for

veggies too!

Every little bit helps!

Nikki

, " jo " <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote:

>

> Most people give up meat more easily than dairy and eggs. That is

why there are lots of vegetarians around.

>

> Jo

December 6, 2005

Of course it isn't particularly coming from my being Jewish, however, Judaism is more concerned with the questions than it is with the dogmatic answers that many hold to. In this country a huge percentage of Buddhists are Jews...that is because Judaism has not been entangled in the mentality that if you don't believe as I believe you are on your way to hell. No salvation motif. No one can possibly say that when you die you die...and most people do not understand the whole idea of karma, reincarnation, or how life could possible continue unless you take with you your current personality. There is absolutely no collision between being Jewish and being Buddhist...Buddhism is NOT a religion, but a way of looking and walking through life. I absolutely don't want to get into a religious discussion though. I was making a humorous statement.

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Tuesday, December 06, 2005 1:03 AM

Re: Vegan Semantics

as far as I know jewish people don't believe in coming back as a a whatever,maybe its your buddhist beliefs that do that,when we die we die linda <lindai81 wrote:

LOL, I am Jewish also and Buddhist and I do believe in reincarnation but probably not quite as you are thinking of it as being.

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Monday, December 05, 2005 2:20 AM

Re: Vegan Semantics

I am jewish so I don't believe in reincarnationheartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: I think the Hare Krishnas believe that you come back as the animal you have done most harm to.Jo , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote:>> Ha! Your grandmother may have something there; I> believe in reincarnation. When you talk about war, it> may be that we are all spider food right now! susan> > --- linda <lindai81@c...> wrote:> > > I'll have to remember to look for the movie Bug.> > > > Today there were ten soldiers killed in Iraq. I was> > wondering....how many vegans would go to a war like> > that willing to kill? Or is that reverence for life> > spill over into that area too? Not really many> > really young people in their late teens and twenties> > do the vegan thing for health do they? Seems they> > would be more likely to do it as a statement about> > life and its meaning. And how would the military> > deal with the food demands of vegans? I think that> > they do make allowances for Jews and Muslims. Just a> > thought.> > > > I was thinking when I read your post that it sounded> > like something I have written about my reasons for> > being vegan. And now that has spread to buying only> > organic...not for my health, but for the health of> > the planet and the generations to come. It seems> > like this just might be a disease as it seems to> > spread out to encircle a lot of other things too.> > Yes, my daughter and her husband take care pick the> > spiders up and take them outside out of respect for> > me. They are both vegans too, but they would rather> > kill the spider as they both have a fear of them. > > > > I had a friend who said his grandmother used to say> > she wouldn't kill a spider as she was afraid she> > would come back as spider food!> > linda> > linda> > "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is> > very important that you do it."> > Mohandas Gandhi> > > > linda's Growing Stitchery Projects:> > womyn47> > - > > Susan > > > > Friday, December 02, 2005 7:16 PM> > Re: Vegan Semantics> > > > > > I think being vegan makes a statement about> > respecting> > life . . .all life. I am setting an example for> > my> > children and grandchildren, whether or not they> > choose> > this lifestyle. They will know that there are> > people> > in the world who care what happens to other> > beings. I> > can see small changes others around me make. We> > walk> > through the world with our being and that has an> > impact even though we may not know it or see it. > > The> > way we choose to be matters. There is a movie> > that> > kind of reflects this, it's called Bug if you get> > a> > chance to see it (not the animated film, Bugs). > > It's> > about how every action we take or don't take has> > an> > impact--some we may not even know about. People at> > work ask me why I'm vegan and I have an> > opportunity to> > say why. My being vegan means I'm not> > contributing to> > the pain and suffering. I'm not financially> > supporting> > businesses who do. I can't change the world and> > I'm> > not really trying to, but I can change my part in> > it> > by the actions I take and hopefully someone will> > see> > me pick up an earthworm and return it to the soil> > and> > think hey, maybe I can do that too. I chose not to> > kill spiders in my house and two of my daughters> > also> > catch and release them. That means one of my> > grandaughters is seeing her mom catch and release> > them> > instead of crushing them. She's only five but is> > already learning something about the importance of> > life. What did I gain by stopping my allergy> > shots? > > I stopped my part in the cruelty. I had an> > opportunity to discuss ethics with my physician. > > A> > person can become as active as they want; but> > small> > things do matter on the planet even when they seem> > like they don't. For me, being vegan isn't a small> > thing, it's a big thing that has had a domino> > effect> > on my life and impacts more and more of my> > decisions> > every day. When I saw that video clip of lab> > animals,> > I discussed it with a few coworkers. How do I> > know> > some of them didn't later go home and have a look?> > > > How do I know someone in the chain isn't going to> > do> > more than I did? I don't know. I'm responsible> > for my> > being and I take a stand when I can--being vegan> > to me> > is also taking a stand. A lifetime stand.> > > > P.S. I love it when my kids get embarrassed it's> > payback for when I was raising them! (just> > kidding)> > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home page! > http://www./r/hs>

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I told her it sounded like bunk that they weren't allowed to use anything. Geez, just think of the sanitary aspect of that! I can see how they would need to provide for themselves, but that could be a challenge say if they were trekking around in the field or whatever. Speaking of which, has anyone heard about the Diva cup? It's made of silicone and they say it's non toxic.linda <lindai81 wrote: Well, on the US side the women must purchase their own personal products. Nothing is furnished by the military except for food, housing and military clothing. Now I don't know if they would provide for special dietary needs, but I suspect that unless you declare that prior to going to boot camp you are

shit out of luck for the vegan thing anyway. There are plenty of dishes offered in the mess hall that would meet a vegetarian diet. I don't remember what they did about kosher Jewish needs though. Over here though women are of course allowed to use whatever personal product they need especially for that "time of the month." Why are we being so delicate...the code ain't fooling no body? The guys can't possibly be that stupid or easily embarrassed at their ages. LOL linda "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 - Jonnie Hellens Monday, December 05, 2005 10:36 AM Re: Vegan Semantics My daughter went to visit a friend who she went to high school with and then when he graduated, he joined the Marines. Anyhow, they were having a ball and she while she was there she walk chatting with several women who are also in the service. They said that the military doesn't give them anything for that time of the month and not only that, they aren't allowed to use anything. I can't imagine that would be the case? If it is,

I can't imagine they would work with any soldier and their special dietary needs. Does anyone else have any scoop on either of these subjects?Susan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: Ha! Your grandmother may have something there; Ibelieve in reincarnation. When you talk about war, itmay be that we are all spider food right now! susan--- linda <lindai81 wrote:> I'll have to remember to look for the movie Bug.> > Today there were ten soldiers killed in Iraq. I was> wondering....how many vegans would go to a war like> that willing to kill? Or is that reverence for life> spill over into that area too? Not really many> really young people in their late teens and twenties> do the vegan thing for health do they? Seems they> would be more likely

to do it as a statement about> life and its meaning. And how would the military> deal with the food demands of vegans? I think that> they do make allowances for Jews and Muslims. Just a> thought.> > I was thinking when I read your post that it sounded> like something I have written about my reasons for> being vegan. And now that has spread to buying only> organic...not for my health, but for the health of> the planet and the generations to come. It seems> like this just might be a disease as it seems to> spread out to encircle a lot of other things too.> Yes, my daughter and her husband take care pick the> spiders up and take them outside out of respect for> me. They are both vegans too, but they would rather> kill the spider as they both have a fear of them. > > I had a friend who said his grandmother used to say> she wouldn't kill a spider as she was

afraid she> would come back as spider food!> linda> linda> "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is> very important that you do it."> Mohandas Gandhi> > linda's Growing Stitchery Projects:> womyn47> - > Susan > > Friday, December 02, 2005 7:16 PM> Re: Vegan Semantics> > > I think being vegan makes a statement about> respecting> life . . .all life. I am setting an example for> my> children and grandchildren, whether or not they> choose> this lifestyle. They will know that there are> people> in the world who care what

happens to other> beings. I> can see small changes others around me make. We> walk> through the world with our being and that has an> impact even though we may not know it or see it. > The> way we choose to be matters. There is a movie> that> kind of reflects this, it's called Bug if you get> a> chance to see it (not the animated film, Bugs). > It's> about how every action we take or don't take has> an> impact--some we may not even know about. People at> work ask me why I'm vegan and I have an> opportunity to> say why. My being vegan means I'm not> contributing to> the pain and suffering. I'm not financially> supporting> businesses who do. I can't change the world

and> I'm> not really trying to, but I can change my part in> it> by the actions I take and hopefully someone will> see> me pick up an earthworm and return it to the soil> and> think hey, maybe I can do that too. I chose not to> kill spiders in my house and two of my daughters> also> catch and release them. That means one of my> grandaughters is seeing her mom catch and release> them> instead of crushing them. She's only five but is> already learning something about the importance of> life. What did I gain by stopping my allergy> shots? > I stopped my part in the cruelty. I had an> opportunity to discuss ethics with my physician. > A> person can become as active as

they want; but> small> things do matter on the planet even when they seem> like they don't. For me, being vegan isn't a small> thing, it's a big thing that has had a domino> effect> on my life and impacts more and more of my> decisions> every day. When I saw that video clip of lab> animals,> I discussed it with a few coworkers. How do I> know> some of them didn't later go home and have a look?> > How do I know someone in the chain isn't going to> do> more than I did? I don't know. I'm responsible> for my> being and I take a stand when I can--being vegan> to me> is also taking a stand. A lifetime stand.> > P.S. I love it when my kids get embarrassed

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reincarnation isn't generally part of judaism..but there are traditions that incorporate it..

i think its called..gilgul?..something like that sandi gordon Dec 6, 2005 1:03 AM Re: Vegan Semantics

as far as I know jewish people don't believe in coming back as a a whatever,maybe its your buddhist beliefs that do that,when we die we die linda <lindai81 wrote:

LOL, I am Jewish also and Buddhist and I do believe in reincarnation but probably not quite as you are thinking of it as being.

linda

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Monday, December 05, 2005 2:20 AM

Re: Vegan Semantics

I am jewish so I don't believe in reincarnationheartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: I think the Hare Krishnas believe that you come back as the animal you have done most harm to.Jo , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote:>> Ha! Your grandmother may have something there; I> believe in reincarnation. When you talk about war, it> may be that we are all spider food right now! susan> > --- linda <lindai81@c...> wrote:> > > I'll have to remember to look for the movie Bug.> > > > Today there were ten soldiers killed in Iraq. I was> > wondering....how many vegans would go to a war like> > that willing to kill? Or is that reverence for life> > spill over into that area too? Not really many> > really young people in their late teens and twenties> > do the vegan thing for health do they? Seems they> > would be more likely to do it as a statement about> > life and its meaning. And how would the military> > deal with the food demands of vegans? I think that> > they do make allowances for Jews and Muslims. Just a> > thought.> > > > I was thinking when I read your post that it sounded> > like something I have written about my reasons for> > being vegan. And now that has spread to buying only> > organic...not for my health, but for the health of> > the planet and the generations to come. It seems> > like this just might be a disease as it seems to> > spread out to encircle a lot of other things too.> > Yes, my daughter and her husband take care pick the> > spiders up and take them outside out of respect for> > me. They are both vegans too, but they would rather> > kill the spider as they both have a fear of them. > > > > I had a friend who said his grandmother used to say> > she wouldn't kill a spider as she was afraid she> > would come back as spider food!> > linda> > linda> > "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is> > very important that you do it."> > Mohandas Gandhi> > > > linda's Growing Stitchery Projects:> > womyn47> > - > > Susan > > > > Friday, December 02, 2005 7:16 PM> > Re: Vegan Semantics> > > > > > I think being vegan makes a statement about> > respecting> > life . . .all life. I am setting an example for> > my> > children and grandchildren, whether or not they> > choose> > this lifestyle. They will know that there are> > people> > in the world who care what happens to other> > beings. I> > can see small changes others around me make. We> > walk> > through the world with our being and that has an> > impact even though we may not know it or see it. > > The> > way we choose to be matters. There is a movie> > that> > kind of reflects this, it's called Bug if you get> > a> > chance to see it (not the animated film, Bugs). > > It's> > about how every action we take or don't take has> > an> > impact--some we may not even know about. People at> > work ask me why I'm vegan and I have an> > opportunity to> > say why. My being vegan means I'm not> > contributing to> > the pain and suffering. I'm not financially> > supporting> > businesses who do. I can't change the world and> > I'm> > not really trying to, but I can change my part in> > it> > by the actions I take and hopefully someone will> > see> > me pick up an earthworm and return it to the soil> > and> > think hey, maybe I can do that too. I chose not to> > kill spiders in my house and two of my daughters> > also> > catch and release them. That means one of my> > grandaughters is seeing her mom catch and release> > them> > instead of crushing them. She's only five but is> > already learning something about the importance of> > life. What did I gain by stopping my allergy> > shots? > > I stopped my part in the cruelty. I had an> > opportunity to discuss ethics with my physician. > > A> > person can become as active as they want; but> > small> > things do matter on the planet even when they seem> > like they don't. For me, being vegan isn't a small> > thing, it's a big thing that has had a domino> > effect> > on my life and impacts more and more of my> > decisions> > every day. When I saw that video clip of lab> > animals,> > I discussed it with a few coworkers. How do I> > know> > some of them didn't later go home and have a look?> > > > How do I know someone in the chain isn't going to> > do> > more than I did? I don't know. I'm responsible> > for my> > being and I take a stand when I can--being vegan> > to me> > is also taking a stand. A lifetime stand.> > > > P.S. I love it when my kids get embarrassed it's> > payback for when I was raising them! (just> > kidding)> > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home page! > http://www./r/hs>

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It is called a Mooncup over here - been around for many years and is eco-friendly, and easy to wash apparently.

Jo

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Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:18 PM

Re: Vegan Semantics

I told her it sounded like bunk that they weren't allowed to use anything. Geez, just think of the sanitary aspect of that! I can see how they would need to provide for themselves, but that could be a challenge say if they were trekking around in the field or whatever. Speaking of which, has anyone heard about the Diva cup? It's made of silicone and they say it's non toxic.

December 6, 2005

It was never mentioned when I was a kid. For a few years, in my innocence, I thought men didn't know about it.

Jo

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Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:30 PM

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I'm so glad that has changed. In my family I've worked hard so that we all feel comfortable talking about things. My daughter even feels comfortable talking about her cycle to her male friends.

I watched a comedy DVD recently that was from the 80's (interesting to see the hair styles again!) and one of the comedians who was male was talking about what it would be like if men flowed. "Hey Frank, I'm flowin today so I won't be able to handle that load of bricks. I'm just gonna stay on the couch with a hot water bottle." I guess it was one of things you just had to be there to see it....

December 6, 2005

No, the recipe said to make sure to get nutritional yeast and pointed out that they weren't the same. What say you frag? Are there different nutritional yeasts?peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: I does smell stongly, dont use it myself. Is it the same as brewers yeast?, no doubt Frag will know..... The Valley Vegan...............Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens wrote: I made something for my family (who are carnis) that had nutritional yeast in it. They couldn't stand it. I dunno if it was because they smelled the nutritional yeast before I put it in or not. I got it from the bulk bin and I do have to

say it smelled rather nasty. Is is supposed to smell that way? Do different ones smell differently?Susan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: Many people I talk to say "I couldn't give up cheese".Here is a neat little book:The Ultimate Uncheese Cookbook: Delicious Dairy-FreeCheeses and Classic "Uncheese" Dishes -- by JoanneStepaniakIn the book I read, the author claimed to have testedher recipes on people who really like cheese and onlyincluded those that passed. I haven't tried a recipefrom this book yet as I only had borrowed it for ashort time. susan--- sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001wrote:> Soooo true I have heard time and time again that I> could never give up my cheese products,but they are> easy to give up meat.> >

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We all know that most companies don't change until it's worth their while to do so. The more people that vocalize they expect the companies to stop abusing the animals and will take their money to the companies that are more environmentally friendly, the faster the results. I don't think we are a small minority on that one anymore.peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: Your being vegan can make a difference to lab animals. By supporting companies that dont use them, and boycotting ones that do, you are making a contribution to making a difference. The more they get the message the bigger the difference. So keep using "animal friendly" products - cosmectics, dtergents etc. The Valley Vegan................ linda <lindai81 wrote: My being vegan doesn't do a thing for the animals in the testing laboratories. I never ate monkeys, or the many other primates used, or rats, cat, dog and the most people don't. Yes, my children find me to be an embarrassment at times, but I finally realized that they are proud and actually admire my being a thorn in some people's sides. I don't preach to them at all since I figure that they wouldn't get it if they didn't get it to begin with after all of these years with me. linda "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 - Susan Friday, December 02, 2005 3:05 PM Re: Vegan Semantics --- linda <lindai81 wrote:I regret that I am not strong enough to go> and physically do something about them.

Their> pictures are planted in my head too and so is my> shame and sorrow.Sometimes one person can make a difference and onedoesn't necessarily have to do it physically. Bychoosing to be vegan, I am doing something about it. Also, recently, I wrote the city shelter, the mayor,and the city council about a situation involving birdsat the shelter and I kept asking for follow up all theway through to the end (so they couldn't just brush meoff). The end result was a positive one for thebirds. I don't do a lot of activism and one of mydaughters was embarrassed, but I explained to her thatwhile I understood her position I am still my ownperson and needed to do what I thought was right forthe animals. Later, she apologized and agreed thatwhat I did was necessary. I didn't think she neededto apologize just for expressing herself! Afterall,look who her mother is . .

..me! I just keeping moveforward. My past mistakes are part of what makes mewho I am today and that's pretty good for an ole'dame. Susan> > For me the people that know about the abuse and> continue to participate in it make me wild. LOL That> is not an adult responsible way to live ones life.> We wouldn't excuse it if they were ignoring someone> abusing, beating, starving a child and said they> knew it was happening but they won't do anything> about it? I knew what you are saying about accepting> where they are at, but I can't condone or excuse it> and they won't get a pass from me. Animals, children> and the elderly are powerless and defenseless. They> have only us. Of course I am not without guilt as it> took me much too long to realize any of this. How> many animals have suffered because of me?> linda> "Whatever you do will be

insignificant and it is> very important that you do it."> Mohandas Gandhi> > linda's Growing Stitchery Projects:> womyn47> - > Susan > > One of the things that changed one of my daughters> from eating beef was when she parked next to a> cattle> truck and saw one of the steer's eyes looking> through> the grate, white and rolling with fear. She is> unable> to eat read meat now.I, too, know people who> cannot bear to actually look at the abuse. figure> that is the place they need to be in at the> time. At least they admit that it occurs. > Admitting> it is one of those first steps. Not wanting to see>

it> may be an admission to themselves that it is too> horrifying to bear. I can also understand how> they> feel. I went on the PETA website and saw video of> monkeys being used for research. Unfortunately, I> did> it at work and it took me some time to stop crying> and> get control of myself. At least I was in my own> cubicle and had a big box of tissue--it wasn't the> most pleasant break I've ever had. There have been> a> lot of disaster in the last few years and who> knows> what personal horrors a person may have? Lessons> are> best learned when people are ready to learn them,> so I> respect the space people need . . .most of the> time.> There have been

other times I've been more> activistic.> I like the step-by-step process you discuss below> and> I think that might be really helpful to some> people. > Susan> > Start your day with - Make it your home page! http://www./r/hsTo send an email to - Peter H Model Search - Could you be the next catwalk superstar? Check out the competition now

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I think I'll give it a go. Being on those blood thinners for my heart has made that a real challenge in my life.jo <jo.heartwork wrote: It is called a Mooncup over here - been around for many years and is eco-friendly, and easy to wash apparently. Jo - Jonnie Hellens

Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:18 PM Re: Vegan Semantics I told her it sounded like bunk that they weren't allowed to use anything. Geez, just think of the sanitary aspect of that! I can see how they would need to provide for themselves, but that could be a challenge say if they were trekking around in the field or whatever. Speaking of which, has anyone heard about the Diva cup? It's made of silicone and they say it's non toxic.

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December 6, 2005

Nutritional yeast does smell strong. Here there is only one type. It is very rich in vitamins B and chromium etc. which help against diabetes.

Jo

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Tuesday, December 06, 2005 7:04 PM

Re: Vegan Semantics

No, the recipe said to make sure to get nutritional yeast and pointed out that they weren't the same. What say you frag? Are there different nutritional yeasts?peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote:

I does smell stongly, dont use it myself. Is it the same as brewers yeast?, no doubt Frag will know.....

The Valley Vegan...............Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens wrote:

I made something for my family (who are carnis) that had nutritional yeast in it. They couldn't stand it. I dunno if it was because they smelled the nutritional yeast before I put it in or not. I got it from the bulk bin and I do have to say it smelled rather nasty. Is is supposed to smell that way? Do different ones smell differently?Susan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: Many people I talk to say "I couldn't give up cheese".Here is a neat little book:The Ultimate Uncheese Cookbook: Delicious Dairy-FreeCheeses and Classic "Uncheese" Dishes -- by JoanneStepaniakIn the book I read, the author claimed to have testedher recipes on people who really like cheese and onlyincluded those that passed. I haven't tried a recipefrom this book yet as I only had borrowed it for ashort time. susan--- sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001wrote:> Soooo true I have heard time and time again that I> could never give up my cheese products,but they are> easy to give up meat.> > jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Most> people give up meat more easily than dairy and eggs.> That is why there are lots of vegetarians around. Start your day with - Make it your home page! http://www./r/hs

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I would have used them, but found out about them after I'd had a hysterectomy.

It must work out cheaper than tampons and pads though.

Jo

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Jonnie Hellens

Tuesday, December 06, 2005 7:26 PM

Re: Vegan Semantics

I think I'll give it a go. Being on those blood thinners for my heart has made that a real challenge in my life.jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

It is called a Mooncup over here - been around for many years and is eco-friendly, and easy to wash apparently.

Jo

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Jonnie Hellens

Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:18 PM

Re: Vegan Semantics

I told her it sounded like bunk that they weren't allowed to use anything. Geez, just think of the sanitary aspect of that! I can see how they would need to provide for themselves, but that could be a challenge say if they were trekking around in the field or whatever. Speaking of which, has anyone heard about the Diva cup? It's made of silicone and they say it's non toxic.

DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less

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