Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 you've never seen traffic unless you've been to a. LA b. NYC c. the bay area d. washington DC i live right off the McArthur Maze here in Oakland, and it stays backed up for hours everyday.... heartwerk <heartwork Aug 13, 2005 3:23 AM Re: small towns We like the autobahns. Nice big roads, not too much traffic - lovely. I guess the trouble with southern England is that it is a bit overcrowded and there are traffic jams all the time so you can't get up to the allowed speeds all the time. Jo --- a blinding flash hotter than the sun dead bodies lie across the path the radiation colors the air finishing one by one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 To test your driving skill try driving in Sonoma County. There are streets that aim straight at telephone poles and then zig around them. There are streets that start and stop and you have to go around whole sections to get to the other end. For a real adventure, try Seattle. Even the cops have to carry maps because there is no reasoning or logic to the street designs. Some real fun is the railroad tracks in Richmond. Six streets come together at a junction with the railroad. At any given time you can find yourself stuck on the tracks because the lights and gates aren't coordinated. As small children we were petrified of those intersections! I've hauled horses across the U.S., Canada and Mexico and can tell you that Sonoma County has the worst drivers in the world. Give me the Nimitz, Chicago or even TJ anyday over the drivers in Sonoma County! It is a miracle that I didn't kill anyone and that all the horses didn't look like Pugs, Bull dogs or Pekes! For some reason folks seem to think that a LARGE truck pulling a 24' trailor loaded with a few ton of horses can stop in the same amount of space it takes a VW Bug! Lynda - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:23 AM Re: Re: small towns > you've never seen traffic unless you've been to > a. LA > b. NYC > c. the bay area > d. washington DC > > i live right off the McArthur Maze here in Oakland, and it stays backed up for hours everyday.... > > > heartwerk <heartwork > Aug 13, 2005 3:23 AM > > Re: small towns > > We like the autobahns. Nice big roads, not too much traffic - lovely. > I guess the trouble with southern England is that it is a bit > overcrowded and there are traffic jams all the time so you can't get > up to the allowed speeds all the time. > > Jo > > --- > > a blinding flash > hotter than the sun > dead bodies lie across the path > the radiation colors the air > finishing one by one > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 Parts of BC. Not everything is like Quebec and Montreal. Lynda - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:16 AM Re: Re: small towns > one of my partners has duel citizenship..... > she keeps tryin to get me to go to canadia with her > my one question, so, where is the warm part of canada? thats where i need to go > hee hee > > > Lynda <lurine > Aug 12, 2005 9:34 PM > > Re: Re: small towns > > For Canada it is simple: Get a sponsor, have a relative or buy a farm. > > Lynda, who has been looking into it and qualifies under two of them. > Although she's not so sure she'd like Nova Scotia! > - > fraggle <EBbrewpunx > > Friday, August 12, 2005 3:48 PM > Re: Re: small towns > > > > deported? > > u can deport people that are in yer commonwealth? > > hmmm...didn't know that > > > > just picked up two books > > how to immigrate to canada > > and how to immigrate to france............. > > > > > > > > > > heartwerk <heartwork > > Aug 12, 2005 3:43 PM > > > > Re: small towns > > > > I think my Australian friend who was deported earlir this year is in > > Spain. If she is we may visit her next summer. > > > > Jo > > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > > might hit spain next year as well..hopefully at least the basque > > country.... > > > we'll see > > > > > > belize and costa rica..eventually > > > > > > sooo many places to go > > > so dang far to walk! > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna Blaine <anna333@e...> > > > Aug 12, 2005 1:08 PM > > > > > > Re: small towns > > > > > > Loreena McKennit wrote a beautiful song inspired by her trip on the > > > Trans-Siberian Railway - Nightride Through the Caucasians, I think it's > > > called. I've added a trip on this train to my list of dream vacations > > > (walking the St. James pilgrimage across northern Spain and hitting > > every > > > country in South America.) > > > > > > Love, > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> > > > > > > > > 8/12/2005 2:02:13 PM > > > > Re: small towns > > > > > > > > i have some friends who are travelling across siberia next year > > > > > > > > i was suppose to go on tour with a band to russia awhile back..but it > > > never panned out > > > > > > > > > > > > Lynda <lurine@s...> > > > > Aug 12, 2005 12:53 PM > > > > > > > > Re: small towns > > > > > > > > Well, I left out Bahrain <g> Gotta love those Arab horses. > > > > > > > > However, my next plans are for China and Russia. > > > > > > > > Lynda > > > > > > > > > > > > a blinding flash > > > > hotter than the sun > > > > dead bodies lie across the path > > > > the radiation colors the air > > > > finishing one by one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to > > - > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 yeah yeah yeah..i know... but i think seattle is cold! i mean..they actually get some snow in BC(and a lot in the mountains) the heck with that frozen water falling from the sky? ew water is made fer turning into beer.... Lynda <lurine Aug 13, 2005 10:42 AM Re: Re: small towns Parts of BC. Not everything is like Quebec and Montreal. Lynda - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:16 AM Re: Re: small towns > one of my partners has duel citizenship..... > she keeps tryin to get me to go to canadia with her > my one question, so, where is the warm part of canada? thats where i need to go > hee hee > > > Lynda <lurine > Aug 12, 2005 9:34 PM > > Re: Re: small towns > > For Canada it is simple: Get a sponsor, have a relative or buy a farm. > > Lynda, who has been looking into it and qualifies under two of them. > Although she's not so sure she'd like Nova Scotia! > - > fraggle <EBbrewpunx > > Friday, August 12, 2005 3:48 PM > Re: Re: small towns > > > > deported? > > u can deport people that are in yer commonwealth? > > hmmm...didn't know that > > > > just picked up two books > > how to immigrate to canada > > and how to immigrate to france............. > > > > > > > > > > heartwerk <heartwork > > Aug 12, 2005 3:43 PM > > > > Re: small towns > > > > I think my Australian friend who was deported earlir this year is in > > Spain. If she is we may visit her next summer. > > > > Jo > > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > > might hit spain next year as well..hopefully at least the basque > > country.... > > > we'll see > > > > > > belize and costa rica..eventually > > > > > > sooo many places to go > > > so dang far to walk! > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna Blaine <anna333@e...> > > > Aug 12, 2005 1:08 PM > > > > > > Re: small towns > > > > > > Loreena McKennit wrote a beautiful song inspired by her trip on the > > > Trans-Siberian Railway - Nightride Through the Caucasians, I think it's > > > called. I've added a trip on this train to my list of dream vacations > > > (walking the St. James pilgrimage across northern Spain and hitting > > every > > > country in South America.) > > > > > > Love, > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> > > > > > > > > 8/12/2005 2:02:13 PM > > > > Re: small towns > > > > > > > > i have some friends who are travelling across siberia next year > > > > > > > > i was suppose to go on tour with a band to russia awhile back..but it > > > never panned out > > > > > > > > > > > > Lynda <lurine@s...> > > > > Aug 12, 2005 12:53 PM > > > > > > > > Re: small towns > > > > > > > > Well, I left out Bahrain <g> Gotta love those Arab horses. > > > > > > > > However, my next plans are for China and Russia. > > > > > > > > Lynda > > > > > > > > > > > > a blinding flash > > > > hotter than the sun > > > > dead bodies lie across the path > > > > the radiation colors the air > > > > finishing one by one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to > > - > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 oughta try going over those tracks on a motorcycle(er bike)..... nuthin like yer front wheel tryin to go one way as yer back wheel goes another.... and..there are bad drivers everywhere i think most ppl get their licenses from a box of cracker jacks.... Lynda <lurine Aug 13, 2005 10:41 AM Re: Re: small towns To test your driving skill try driving in Sonoma County. There are streets that aim straight at telephone poles and then zig around them. There are streets that start and stop and you have to go around whole sections to get to the other end. For a real adventure, try Seattle. Even the cops have to carry maps because there is no reasoning or logic to the street designs. Some real fun is the railroad tracks in Richmond. Six streets come together at a junction with the railroad. At any given time you can find yourself stuck on the tracks because the lights and gates aren't coordinated. As small children we were petrified of those intersections! I've hauled horses across the U.S., Canada and Mexico and can tell you that Sonoma County has the worst drivers in the world. Give me the Nimitz, Chicago or even TJ anyday over the drivers in Sonoma County! It is a miracle that I didn't kill anyone and that all the horses didn't look like Pugs, Bull dogs or Pekes! For some reason folks seem to think that a LARGE truck pulling a 24' trailor loaded with a few ton of horses can stop in the same amount of space it takes a VW Bug! Lynda ----- a blinding flash hotter than the sun dead bodies lie across the path the radiation colors the air finishing one by one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 Oh well. It's probably going to get worse. They will have congestion charges all over the south of England in a few years, not just London. Do you have congestion charges there? Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:23 PM Re: Re: small towns > you've never seen traffic unless you've been to > a. LA > b. NYC > c. the bay area > d. washington DC > > i live right off the McArthur Maze here in Oakland, and it stays backed up for hours everyday.... > > > heartwerk <heartwork > Aug 13, 2005 3:23 AM > > Re: small towns > > We like the autobahns. Nice big roads, not too much traffic - lovely. > I guess the trouble with southern England is that it is a bit > overcrowded and there are traffic jams all the time so you can't get > up to the allowed speeds all the time. > > Jo > > --- > > a blinding flash > hotter than the sun > dead bodies lie across the path > the radiation colors the air > finishing one by one > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 LOL - sounds a bit like here. I get confused looking at maps of American citiies with all the roads like grids. Jo - " Lynda " <lurine Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:41 PM Re: Re: small towns > To test your driving skill try driving in Sonoma County. There are streets > that aim straight at telephone poles and then zig around them. There are > streets that start and stop and you have to go around whole sections to get > to the other end. > > For a real adventure, try Seattle. Even the cops have to carry maps because > there is no reasoning or logic to the street designs. > > Some real fun is the railroad tracks in Richmond. Six streets come together > at a junction with the railroad. At any given time you can find yourself > stuck on the tracks because the lights and gates aren't coordinated. As > small children we were petrified of those intersections! > > I've hauled horses across the U.S., Canada and Mexico and can tell you that > Sonoma County has the worst drivers in the world. Give me the Nimitz, > Chicago or even TJ anyday over the drivers in Sonoma County! > > It is a miracle that I didn't kill anyone and that all the horses didn't > look like Pugs, Bull dogs or Pekes! For some reason folks seem to think > that a LARGE truck pulling a 24' trailor loaded with a few ton of horses can > stop in the same amount of space it takes a VW Bug! > > Lynda > - > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx > > Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:23 AM > Re: Re: small towns > > > > you've never seen traffic unless you've been to > > a. LA > > b. NYC > > c. the bay area > > d. washington DC > > > > i live right off the McArthur Maze here in Oakland, and it stays backed up > for hours everyday.... > > > > > > heartwerk <heartwork > > Aug 13, 2005 3:23 AM > > > > Re: small towns > > > > We like the autobahns. Nice big roads, not too much traffic - lovely. > > I guess the trouble with southern England is that it is a bit > > overcrowded and there are traffic jams all the time so you can't get > > up to the allowed speeds all the time. > > > > Jo > > > > --- > > > > a blinding flash > > hotter than the sun > > dead bodies lie across the path > > the radiation colors the air > > finishing one by one > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 Did you see the series The Long Way Round with Ewan McGregor? I really enjoyed that. Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:52 PM Re: Re: small towns > oughta try going over those tracks on a motorcycle(er bike)..... > nuthin like yer front wheel tryin to go one way as yer back wheel goes another.... > > and..there are bad drivers everywhere > i think most ppl get their licenses from a box of cracker jacks.... > > > > Lynda <lurine > Aug 13, 2005 10:41 AM > > Re: Re: small towns > > To test your driving skill try driving in Sonoma County. There are streets > that aim straight at telephone poles and then zig around them. There are > streets that start and stop and you have to go around whole sections to get > to the other end. > > For a real adventure, try Seattle. Even the cops have to carry maps because > there is no reasoning or logic to the street designs. > > Some real fun is the railroad tracks in Richmond. Six streets come together > at a junction with the railroad. At any given time you can find yourself > stuck on the tracks because the lights and gates aren't coordinated. As > small children we were petrified of those intersections! > > I've hauled horses across the U.S., Canada and Mexico and can tell you that > Sonoma County has the worst drivers in the world. Give me the Nimitz, > Chicago or even TJ anyday over the drivers in Sonoma County! > > It is a miracle that I didn't kill anyone and that all the horses didn't > look like Pugs, Bull dogs or Pekes! For some reason folks seem to think > that a LARGE truck pulling a 24' trailor loaded with a few ton of horses can > stop in the same amount of space it takes a VW Bug! > > Lynda > ----- > > a blinding flash > hotter than the sun > dead bodies lie across the path > the radiation colors the air > finishing one by one > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 What amazed me about the Bay Area was that the traffic never let up, no matter what time of day it was or which way you were heading. My work often took me to Santa Clara and trying to get back into SF, whether it was 2:30 in the afternoon or 8 at night, was a nightmare. I learned a lot about patience that year. I grew up/learned to drive on the Mendocino Coast where traffic means you just wait for a straight spot to pass the guy in front of you. When I moved to Sacramento, my blood pressure was probably through the roof because I was constantly screaming about the traffic and other drivers. In SF, it became all about Zen, because I'd probably be dead if I hadn't learned to calm down and just go with the (very slow) flow. Actually, the traffic in town isn't too bad. It's the freeways that suck. Love, Anna > [Original Message] > fraggle <EBbrewpunx > > 8/13/2005 11:23:31 AM > Re: Re: small towns > > you've never seen traffic unless you've been to > a. LA > b. NYC > c. the bay area > d. washington DC > > i live right off the McArthur Maze here in Oakland, and it stays backed up for hours everyday.... > > > heartwerk <heartwork > Aug 13, 2005 3:23 AM > > Re: small towns > > We like the autobahns. Nice big roads, not too much traffic - lovely. > I guess the trouble with southern England is that it is a bit > overcrowded and there are traffic jams all the time so you can't get > up to the allowed speeds all the time. > > Jo > > --- > > a blinding flash > hotter than the sun > dead bodies lie across the path > the radiation colors the air > finishing one by one > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 " Sonoma County has the worst drivers in the world " Are you sure you've never been to Boston? I've driven in Santa Rosa and I've been a passenger in Boston and Salem (too scared to get behind the wheel myself) and I'll take Santa Rosa anyday of the week. Love, Anna > [Original Message] > Lynda <lurine > > 8/13/2005 11:46:01 AM > Re: Re: small towns > > To test your driving skill try driving in Sonoma County. There are streets > that aim straight at telephone poles and then zig around them. There are > streets that start and stop and you have to go around whole sections to get > to the other end. > > For a real adventure, try Seattle. Even the cops have to carry maps because > there is no reasoning or logic to the street designs. > > Some real fun is the railroad tracks in Richmond. Six streets come together > at a junction with the railroad. At any given time you can find yourself > stuck on the tracks because the lights and gates aren't coordinated. As > small children we were petrified of those intersections! > > I've hauled horses across the U.S., Canada and Mexico and can tell you that > Sonoma County has the worst drivers in the world. Give me the Nimitz, > Chicago or even TJ anyday over the drivers in Sonoma County! > > It is a miracle that I didn't kill anyone and that all the horses didn't > look like Pugs, Bull dogs or Pekes! For some reason folks seem to think > that a LARGE truck pulling a 24' trailor loaded with a few ton of horses can > stop in the same amount of space it takes a VW Bug! > > Lynda > - > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx > > Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:23 AM > Re: Re: small towns > > > > you've never seen traffic unless you've been to > > a. LA > > b. NYC > > c. the bay area > > d. washington DC > > > > i live right off the McArthur Maze here in Oakland, and it stays backed up > for hours everyday.... > > > > > > heartwerk <heartwork > > Aug 13, 2005 3:23 AM > > > > Re: small towns > > > > We like the autobahns. Nice big roads, not too much traffic - lovely. > > I guess the trouble with southern England is that it is a bit > > overcrowded and there are traffic jams all the time so you can't get > > up to the allowed speeds all the time. > > > > Jo > > > > --- > > > > a blinding flash > > hotter than the sun > > dead bodies lie across the path > > the radiation colors the air > > finishing one by one > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 no tho, i like that the mayor of london did wot he did america is a car fuled society... we view cars as a right, not a privilage... most folks live like 30 minutes from their work if not further.... we have no public transportation you are encouraged to live in some hell suburb out in what was a meadow the year before, in a house that looks just like yer neighbors, with some naziesque neighborhood meeting group which tells you how tall yer lawn can be, and what plants you can grow there... Jo Cwazy <heartwork Aug 13, 2005 11:15 AM Re: Re: small towns Oh well. It's probably going to get worse. They will have congestion charges all over the south of England in a few years, not just London. Do you have congestion charges there? Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:23 PM Re: Re: small towns > you've never seen traffic unless you've been to > a. LA > b. NYC > c. the bay area > d. washington DC > > i live right off the McArthur Maze here in Oakland, and it stays backed up for hours everyday.... > > > heartwerk <heartwork > Aug 13, 2005 3:23 AM > > Re: small towns > > We like the autobahns. Nice big roads, not too much traffic - lovely. > I guess the trouble with southern England is that it is a bit > overcrowded and there are traffic jams all the time so you can't get > up to the allowed speeds all the time. > > Jo > > --- > > a blinding flash > hotter than the sun > dead bodies lie across the path > the radiation colors the air > finishing one by one > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 only the first episode..then i never saw it again looked really good.... hopefully soon i can motorcycle across europe.... Jo Cwazy <heartwork Aug 13, 2005 11:21 AM Re: Re: small towns Did you see the series The Long Way Round with Ewan McGregor? I really enjoyed that. Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:52 PM Re: Re: small towns > oughta try going over those tracks on a motorcycle(er bike)..... > nuthin like yer front wheel tryin to go one way as yer back wheel goes another.... > > and..there are bad drivers everywhere > i think most ppl get their licenses from a box of cracker jacks.... > > > > Lynda <lurine > Aug 13, 2005 10:41 AM > > Re: Re: small towns > > To test your driving skill try driving in Sonoma County. There are streets > that aim straight at telephone poles and then zig around them. There are > streets that start and stop and you have to go around whole sections to get > to the other end. > > For a real adventure, try Seattle. Even the cops have to carry maps because > there is no reasoning or logic to the street designs. > > Some real fun is the railroad tracks in Richmond. Six streets come together > at a junction with the railroad. At any given time you can find yourself > stuck on the tracks because the lights and gates aren't coordinated. As > small children we were petrified of those intersections! > > I've hauled horses across the U.S., Canada and Mexico and can tell you that > Sonoma County has the worst drivers in the world. Give me the Nimitz, > Chicago or even TJ anyday over the drivers in Sonoma County! > > It is a miracle that I didn't kill anyone and that all the horses didn't > look like Pugs, Bull dogs or Pekes! For some reason folks seem to think > that a LARGE truck pulling a 24' trailor loaded with a few ton of horses can > stop in the same amount of space it takes a VW Bug! > > Lynda > ----- > > a blinding flash > hotter than the sun > dead bodies lie across the path > the radiation colors the air > finishing one by one > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 you get confused with roads like grids??? wot, you like em better if they went in circles? Jo Cwazy <heartwork Aug 13, 2005 11:19 AM Re: Re: small towns LOL - sounds a bit like here. I get confused looking at maps of American citiies with all the roads like grids. Jo - " Lynda " <lurine Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:41 PM Re: Re: small towns > To test your driving skill try driving in Sonoma County. There are streets > that aim straight at telephone poles and then zig around them. There are > streets that start and stop and you have to go around whole sections to get > to the other end. > > For a real adventure, try Seattle. Even the cops have to carry maps because > there is no reasoning or logic to the street designs. > > Some real fun is the railroad tracks in Richmond. Six streets come together > at a junction with the railroad. At any given time you can find yourself > stuck on the tracks because the lights and gates aren't coordinated. As > small children we were petrified of those intersections! > > I've hauled horses across the U.S., Canada and Mexico and can tell you that > Sonoma County has the worst drivers in the world. Give me the Nimitz, > Chicago or even TJ anyday over the drivers in Sonoma County! > > It is a miracle that I didn't kill anyone and that all the horses didn't > look like Pugs, Bull dogs or Pekes! For some reason folks seem to think > that a LARGE truck pulling a 24' trailor loaded with a few ton of horses can > stop in the same amount of space it takes a VW Bug! > > Lynda > - > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx > > Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:23 AM > Re: Re: small towns > > > > you've never seen traffic unless you've been to > > a. LA > > b. NYC > > c. the bay area > > d. washington DC > > > > i live right off the McArthur Maze here in Oakland, and it stays backed up > for hours everyday.... > > > > > > heartwerk <heartwork > > Aug 13, 2005 3:23 AM > > > > Re: small towns > > > > We like the autobahns. Nice big roads, not too much traffic - lovely. > > I guess the trouble with southern England is that it is a bit > > overcrowded and there are traffic jams all the time so you can't get > > up to the allowed speeds all the time. > > > > Jo > > > > --- > > > > a blinding flash > > hotter than the sun > > dead bodies lie across the path > > the radiation colors the air > > finishing one by one > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 went to SF today...traffic was backed up well past the maze..at 11:30 in the AM.. took about 45 minutes to get into SF should have taken BART.. Anna Blaine <anna333 Aug 13, 2005 1:27 PM Re: Re: small towns What amazed me about the Bay Area was that the traffic never let up, no matter what time of day it was or which way you were heading. My work often took me to Santa Clara and trying to get back into SF, whether it was 2:30 in the afternoon or 8 at night, was a nightmare. I learned a lot about patience that year. I grew up/learned to drive on the Mendocino Coast where traffic means you just wait for a straight spot to pass the guy in front of you. When I moved to Sacramento, my blood pressure was probably through the roof because I was constantly screaming about the traffic and other drivers. In SF, it became all about Zen, because I'd probably be dead if I hadn't learned to calm down and just go with the (very slow) flow. Actually, the traffic in town isn't too bad. It's the freeways that suck. Love, Anna > [Original Message] > fraggle <EBbrewpunx > > 8/13/2005 11:23:31 AM > Re: Re: small towns > > you've never seen traffic unless you've been to > a. LA > b. NYC > c. the bay area > d. washington DC > > i live right off the McArthur Maze here in Oakland, and it stays backed up for hours everyday.... > > > heartwerk <heartwork > Aug 13, 2005 3:23 AM > > Re: small towns > > We like the autobahns. Nice big roads, not too much traffic - lovely. > I guess the trouble with southern England is that it is a bit > overcrowded and there are traffic jams all the time so you can't get > up to the allowed speeds all the time. > > Jo > > --- > > a blinding flash > hotter than the sun > dead bodies lie across the path > the radiation colors the air > finishing one by one > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 It was good. Colin watches hardly any television, but he was hooked. It was so interesting. Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:49 PM Re: Re: small towns > only the first episode..then i never saw it again > looked really good.... > > hopefully soon i can motorcycle across europe.... > > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork > Aug 13, 2005 11:21 AM > > Re: Re: small towns > > Did you see the series The Long Way Round with Ewan McGregor? I really > enjoyed that. > > Jo > > - > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx > > Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:52 PM > Re: Re: small towns > > > > oughta try going over those tracks on a motorcycle(er bike)..... > > nuthin like yer front wheel tryin to go one way as yer back wheel goes > another.... > > > > and..there are bad drivers everywhere > > i think most ppl get their licenses from a box of cracker jacks.... > > > > > > > > Lynda <lurine > > Aug 13, 2005 10:41 AM > > > > Re: Re: small towns > > > > To test your driving skill try driving in Sonoma County. There are > streets > > that aim straight at telephone poles and then zig around them. There are > > streets that start and stop and you have to go around whole sections to > get > > to the other end. > > > > For a real adventure, try Seattle. Even the cops have to carry maps > because > > there is no reasoning or logic to the street designs. > > > > Some real fun is the railroad tracks in Richmond. Six streets come > together > > at a junction with the railroad. At any given time you can find yourself > > stuck on the tracks because the lights and gates aren't coordinated. As > > small children we were petrified of those intersections! > > > > I've hauled horses across the U.S., Canada and Mexico and can tell you > that > > Sonoma County has the worst drivers in the world. Give me the Nimitz, > > Chicago or even TJ anyday over the drivers in Sonoma County! > > > > It is a miracle that I didn't kill anyone and that all the horses didn't > > look like Pugs, Bull dogs or Pekes! For some reason folks seem to think > > that a LARGE truck pulling a 24' trailor loaded with a few ton of horses > can > > stop in the same amount of space it takes a VW Bug! > > > > Lynda > > ----- > > > > a blinding flash > > hotter than the sun > > dead bodies lie across the path > > the radiation colors the air > > finishing one by one > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 Well ours do! The south and north circular, the M25, the Birmingham ring road. Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:50 PM Re: Re: small towns > you get confused with roads like grids??? > wot, you like em better if they went in circles? > > > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork > Aug 13, 2005 11:19 AM > > Re: Re: small towns > > LOL - sounds a bit like here. I get confused looking at maps of American > citiies with all the roads like grids. > > Jo > > - > " Lynda " <lurine > > Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:41 PM > Re: Re: small towns > > > > To test your driving skill try driving in Sonoma County. There are > streets > > that aim straight at telephone poles and then zig around them. There are > > streets that start and stop and you have to go around whole sections to > get > > to the other end. > > > > For a real adventure, try Seattle. Even the cops have to carry maps > because > > there is no reasoning or logic to the street designs. > > > > Some real fun is the railroad tracks in Richmond. Six streets come > together > > at a junction with the railroad. At any given time you can find yourself > > stuck on the tracks because the lights and gates aren't coordinated. As > > small children we were petrified of those intersections! > > > > I've hauled horses across the U.S., Canada and Mexico and can tell you > that > > Sonoma County has the worst drivers in the world. Give me the Nimitz, > > Chicago or even TJ anyday over the drivers in Sonoma County! > > > > It is a miracle that I didn't kill anyone and that all the horses didn't > > look like Pugs, Bull dogs or Pekes! For some reason folks seem to think > > that a LARGE truck pulling a 24' trailor loaded with a few ton of horses > can > > stop in the same amount of space it takes a VW Bug! > > > > Lynda > > - > > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx > > > > Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:23 AM > > Re: Re: small towns > > > > > > > you've never seen traffic unless you've been to > > > a. LA > > > b. NYC > > > c. the bay area > > > d. washington DC > > > > > > i live right off the McArthur Maze here in Oakland, and it stays backed > up > > for hours everyday.... > > > > > > > > > heartwerk <heartwork > > > Aug 13, 2005 3:23 AM > > > > > > Re: small towns > > > > > > We like the autobahns. Nice big roads, not too much traffic - lovely. > > > I guess the trouble with southern England is that it is a bit > > > overcrowded and there are traffic jams all the time so you can't get > > > up to the allowed speeds all the time. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > --- > > > > > > a blinding flash > > > hotter than the sun > > > dead bodies lie across the path > > > the radiation colors the air > > > finishing one by one > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 how inefficient i remember going to bristol and thinkin " wot the ehck is wrong with these bloody roads!? " we have freeway bypasses..but those just circle around major cities so you don't get stuck goin thru em and gettin stuck in traffic... don't help much tho Jo Cwazy <heartwork Aug 13, 2005 2:17 PM Re: Re: small towns Well ours do! The south and north circular, the M25, the Birmingham ring road. Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:50 PM Re: Re: small towns > you get confused with roads like grids??? > wot, you like em better if they went in circles? > > > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork > Aug 13, 2005 11:19 AM > > Re: Re: small towns > > LOL - sounds a bit like here. I get confused looking at maps of American > citiies with all the roads like grids. > > Jo > > - > " Lynda " <lurine > > Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:41 PM > Re: Re: small towns > > > > To test your driving skill try driving in Sonoma County. There are > streets > > that aim straight at telephone poles and then zig around them. There are > > streets that start and stop and you have to go around whole sections to > get > > to the other end. > > > > For a real adventure, try Seattle. Even the cops have to carry maps > because > > there is no reasoning or logic to the street designs. > > > > Some real fun is the railroad tracks in Richmond. Six streets come > together > > at a junction with the railroad. At any given time you can find yourself > > stuck on the tracks because the lights and gates aren't coordinated. As > > small children we were petrified of those intersections! > > > > I've hauled horses across the U.S., Canada and Mexico and can tell you > that > > Sonoma County has the worst drivers in the world. Give me the Nimitz, > > Chicago or even TJ anyday over the drivers in Sonoma County! > > > > It is a miracle that I didn't kill anyone and that all the horses didn't > > look like Pugs, Bull dogs or Pekes! For some reason folks seem to think > > that a LARGE truck pulling a 24' trailor loaded with a few ton of horses > can > > stop in the same amount of space it takes a VW Bug! > > > > Lynda > > - > > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx > > > > Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:23 AM > > Re: Re: small towns > > > > > > > you've never seen traffic unless you've been to > > > a. LA > > > b. NYC > > > c. the bay area > > > d. washington DC > > > > > > i live right off the McArthur Maze here in Oakland, and it stays backed > up > > for hours everyday.... > > > > > > > > > heartwerk <heartwork > > > Aug 13, 2005 3:23 AM > > > > > > Re: small towns > > > > > > We like the autobahns. Nice big roads, not too much traffic - lovely. > > > I guess the trouble with southern England is that it is a bit > > > overcrowded and there are traffic jams all the time so you can't get > > > up to the allowed speeds all the time. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > --- > > > > > > a blinding flash > > > hotter than the sun > > > dead bodies lie across the path > > > the radiation colors the air > > > finishing one by one > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 But, Fraggle, that is the kind of water that makes the best beer! Lynda - fraggle <EBbrewpunx Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:49 AM Re: Re: small towns > yeah yeah yeah..i know... > but > i think seattle is cold! > i mean..they actually get some snow in BC(and a lot in the mountains) > the heck with that > frozen water falling from the sky? ew > water is made fer turning into beer.... > > > > Lynda <lurine > Aug 13, 2005 10:42 AM > > Re: Re: small towns > > Parts of BC. Not everything is like Quebec and Montreal. > > Lynda > - > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx > > Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:16 AM > Re: Re: small towns > > > > one of my partners has duel citizenship..... > > she keeps tryin to get me to go to canadia with her > > my one question, so, where is the warm part of canada? thats where i need > to go > > hee hee > > > > > > Lynda <lurine > > Aug 12, 2005 9:34 PM > > > > Re: Re: small towns > > > > For Canada it is simple: Get a sponsor, have a relative or buy a farm. > > > > Lynda, who has been looking into it and qualifies under two of them. > > Although she's not so sure she'd like Nova Scotia! > > - > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx > > > > Friday, August 12, 2005 3:48 PM > > Re: Re: small towns > > > > > > > deported? > > > u can deport people that are in yer commonwealth? > > > hmmm...didn't know that > > > > > > just picked up two books > > > how to immigrate to canada > > > and how to immigrate to france............. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heartwerk <heartwork > > > Aug 12, 2005 3:43 PM > > > > > > Re: small towns > > > > > > I think my Australian friend who was deported earlir this year is in > > > Spain. If she is we may visit her next summer. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > > > might hit spain next year as well..hopefully at least the basque > > > country.... > > > > we'll see > > > > > > > > belize and costa rica..eventually > > > > > > > > sooo many places to go > > > > so dang far to walk! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna Blaine <anna333@e...> > > > > Aug 12, 2005 1:08 PM > > > > > > > > Re: small towns > > > > > > > > Loreena McKennit wrote a beautiful song inspired by her trip on the > > > > Trans-Siberian Railway - Nightride Through the Caucasians, I think > it's > > > > called. I've added a trip on this train to my list of dream vacations > > > > (walking the St. James pilgrimage across northern Spain and hitting > > > every > > > > country in South America.) > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> > > > > > > > > > > 8/12/2005 2:02:13 PM > > > > > Re: small towns > > > > > > > > > > i have some friends who are travelling across siberia next year > > > > > > > > > > i was suppose to go on tour with a band to russia awhile back..but > it > > > > never panned out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lynda <lurine@s...> > > > > > Aug 12, 2005 12:53 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: small towns > > > > > > > > > > Well, I left out Bahrain <g> Gotta love those Arab horses. > > > > > > > > > > However, my next plans are for China and Russia. > > > > > > > > > > Lynda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a blinding flash > > > > > hotter than the sun > > > > > dead bodies lie across the path > > > > > the radiation colors the air > > > > > finishing one by one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to > > > - > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 LOL. It's Glasgow we always seem to get lost in. The roads all seem to lead to Edinburgh and we go round and round trying to find our way out. Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:34 PM Re: Re: small towns > how inefficient > > i remember going to bristol and thinkin " wot the ehck is wrong with these bloody roads!? " > > we have freeway bypasses..but those just circle around major cities so you don't get stuck goin thru em and gettin stuck in traffic... > don't help much tho > > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork > Aug 13, 2005 2:17 PM > > Re: Re: small towns > > Well ours do! The south and north circular, the M25, the Birmingham ring > road. > > Jo > > - > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx > > Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:50 PM > Re: Re: small towns > > > > you get confused with roads like grids??? > > wot, you like em better if they went in circles? > > > > > > > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork > > Aug 13, 2005 11:19 AM > > > > Re: Re: small towns > > > > LOL - sounds a bit like here. I get confused looking at maps of American > > citiies with all the roads like grids. > > > > Jo > > > > - > > " Lynda " <lurine > > > > Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:41 PM > > Re: Re: small towns > > > > > > > To test your driving skill try driving in Sonoma County. There are > > streets > > > that aim straight at telephone poles and then zig around them. There > are > > > streets that start and stop and you have to go around whole sections to > > get > > > to the other end. > > > > > > For a real adventure, try Seattle. Even the cops have to carry maps > > because > > > there is no reasoning or logic to the street designs. > > > > > > Some real fun is the railroad tracks in Richmond. Six streets come > > together > > > at a junction with the railroad. At any given time you can find > yourself > > > stuck on the tracks because the lights and gates aren't coordinated. As > > > small children we were petrified of those intersections! > > > > > > I've hauled horses across the U.S., Canada and Mexico and can tell you > > that > > > Sonoma County has the worst drivers in the world. Give me the Nimitz, > > > Chicago or even TJ anyday over the drivers in Sonoma County! > > > > > > It is a miracle that I didn't kill anyone and that all the horses didn't > > > look like Pugs, Bull dogs or Pekes! For some reason folks seem to think > > > that a LARGE truck pulling a 24' trailor loaded with a few ton of horses > > can > > > stop in the same amount of space it takes a VW Bug! > > > > > > Lynda > > > - > > > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx > > > > > > Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:23 AM > > > Re: Re: small towns > > > > > > > > > > you've never seen traffic unless you've been to > > > > a. LA > > > > b. NYC > > > > c. the bay area > > > > d. washington DC > > > > > > > > i live right off the McArthur Maze here in Oakland, and it stays > backed > > up > > > for hours everyday.... > > > > > > > > > > > > heartwerk <heartwork > > > > Aug 13, 2005 3:23 AM > > > > > > > > Re: small towns > > > > > > > > We like the autobahns. Nice big roads, not too much traffic - lovely. > > > > I guess the trouble with southern England is that it is a bit > > > > overcrowded and there are traffic jams all the time so you can't get > > > > up to the allowed speeds all the time. > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > a blinding flash > > > > hotter than the sun > > > > dead bodies lie across the path > > > > the radiation colors the air > > > > finishing one by one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 I lived in Sonoma County for over 30 years. I've driven, pulling a 4 horse trailer, through every major city in the U.S. plus some in Mexico and Canada. I can testify that there are no worse drivers in the world, bar none, than in Sonoma County. At least in other cities there is some logic. They are all trying to get from point a to point b as fast as they can and you're on your own. In Sonoma County, however, it is roulette! Maybe we'll decide to drive 60 in a 30 but then again, wow, stomp on the brakes, maybe we want to go 15 in a 30. What, you are only supposed to make a left hand turn from the center lane. Too bad, WE are going to make a left hand turn from whatever lane we blamed well feel like doing it from. What, that cement divider means you are supposed to stay on the side with the folks going in the same directions you are. Nope, I'm going to drive on the other side because I can get into that parking lot faster. I used to work for the City of Santa Rosa in purchasing. The cops were always in our office and I ran all the paper on the under cover cars. We had cops that had transferred in from other cities because they thought it would be quieter in the smaller town. NOT! Most were eager to transfer back to the bigger cities within 6 months! We had one guy that said he wasn't getting paid enough to play bumper cars with the crazy drivers in SR and he was from NYC! Lynda - Anna Blaine <anna333 Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:31 PM Re: Re: small towns > " Sonoma County has the worst drivers in the world " > > Are you sure you've never been to Boston? I've driven in Santa Rosa and > I've been a passenger in Boston and Salem (too scared to get behind the > wheel myself) and I'll take Santa Rosa anyday of the week. > > Love, > Anna > > > > [Original Message] > > Lynda <lurine > > > > 8/13/2005 11:46:01 AM > > Re: Re: small towns > > > > To test your driving skill try driving in Sonoma County. There are > streets > > that aim straight at telephone poles and then zig around them. There are > > streets that start and stop and you have to go around whole sections to > get > > to the other end. > > > > For a real adventure, try Seattle. Even the cops have to carry maps > because > > there is no reasoning or logic to the street designs. > > > > Some real fun is the railroad tracks in Richmond. Six streets come > together > > at a junction with the railroad. At any given time you can find yourself > > stuck on the tracks because the lights and gates aren't coordinated. As > > small children we were petrified of those intersections! > > > > I've hauled horses across the U.S., Canada and Mexico and can tell you > that > > Sonoma County has the worst drivers in the world. Give me the Nimitz, > > Chicago or even TJ anyday over the drivers in Sonoma County! > > > > It is a miracle that I didn't kill anyone and that all the horses didn't > > look like Pugs, Bull dogs or Pekes! For some reason folks seem to think > > that a LARGE truck pulling a 24' trailor loaded with a few ton of horses > can > > stop in the same amount of space it takes a VW Bug! > > > > Lynda > > - > > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx > > > > Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:23 AM > > Re: Re: small towns > > > > > > > you've never seen traffic unless you've been to > > > a. LA > > > b. NYC > > > c. the bay area > > > d. washington DC > > > > > > i live right off the McArthur Maze here in Oakland, and it stays backed > up > > for hours everyday.... > > > > > > > > > heartwerk <heartwork > > > Aug 13, 2005 3:23 AM > > > > > > Re: small towns > > > > > > We like the autobahns. Nice big roads, not too much traffic - lovely. > > > I guess the trouble with southern England is that it is a bit > > > overcrowded and there are traffic jams all the time so you can't get > > > up to the allowed speeds all the time. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > --- > > > > > > a blinding flash > > > hotter than the sun > > > dead bodies lie across the path > > > the radiation colors the air > > > finishing one by one > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 Yeah, well, that nutsy idea is catching on. Arcata just spent a mint on putting those stupid circles in all over town! Lynda - fraggle <EBbrewpunx Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:50 PM Re: Re: small towns > you get confused with roads like grids??? > wot, you like em better if they went in circles? > > > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork > Aug 13, 2005 11:19 AM > > Re: Re: small towns > > LOL - sounds a bit like here. I get confused looking at maps of American > citiies with all the roads like grids. > > Jo > > - > " Lynda " <lurine > > Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:41 PM > Re: Re: small towns > > > > To test your driving skill try driving in Sonoma County. There are > streets > > that aim straight at telephone poles and then zig around them. There are > > streets that start and stop and you have to go around whole sections to > get > > to the other end. > > > > For a real adventure, try Seattle. Even the cops have to carry maps > because > > there is no reasoning or logic to the street designs. > > > > Some real fun is the railroad tracks in Richmond. Six streets come > together > > at a junction with the railroad. At any given time you can find yourself > > stuck on the tracks because the lights and gates aren't coordinated. As > > small children we were petrified of those intersections! > > > > I've hauled horses across the U.S., Canada and Mexico and can tell you > that > > Sonoma County has the worst drivers in the world. Give me the Nimitz, > > Chicago or even TJ anyday over the drivers in Sonoma County! > > > > It is a miracle that I didn't kill anyone and that all the horses didn't > > look like Pugs, Bull dogs or Pekes! For some reason folks seem to think > > that a LARGE truck pulling a 24' trailor loaded with a few ton of horses > can > > stop in the same amount of space it takes a VW Bug! > > > > Lynda > > - > > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx > > > > Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:23 AM > > Re: Re: small towns > > > > > > > you've never seen traffic unless you've been to > > > a. LA > > > b. NYC > > > c. the bay area > > > d. washington DC > > > > > > i live right off the McArthur Maze here in Oakland, and it stays backed > up > > for hours everyday.... > > > > > > > > > heartwerk <heartwork > > > Aug 13, 2005 3:23 AM > > > > > > Re: small towns > > > > > > We like the autobahns. Nice big roads, not too much traffic - lovely. > > > I guess the trouble with southern England is that it is a bit > > > overcrowded and there are traffic jams all the time so you can't get > > > up to the allowed speeds all the time. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > --- > > > > > > a blinding flash > > > hotter than the sun > > > dead bodies lie across the path > > > the radiation colors the air > > > finishing one by one > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 i'd like to take a walkin tour of the UK.... as soon as i'm independently wealthy...... nah..sounds like a lot of fun..and never been to scotland... i mean Ne'er bin tae scootlund! Jo Cwazy <heartwork Aug 13, 2005 2:42 PM Re: Re: small towns LOL. It's Glasgow we always seem to get lost in. The roads all seem to lead to Edinburgh and we go round and round trying to find our way out. Jo a blinding flash hotter than the sun dead bodies lie across the path the radiation colors the air finishing one by one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 I've been watching a series of six programmes which went around the coasts of Britain. It was lovely really. I do like Scotland - especially the Highlands. We hadn't been before about 20 years ago, but now go every other year almost. I think my favourite place there was when we walked along the Nevis gorge - so if you get to Scotland try to go there (preferably outside of midge season). Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:56 PM Re: Re: small towns > i'd like to take a walkin tour of the UK.... > as soon as i'm independently wealthy...... > > nah..sounds like a lot of fun..and never been to scotland... > i mean > > Ne'er bin tae scootlund! > > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork > Aug 13, 2005 2:42 PM > > Re: Re: small towns > > LOL. It's Glasgow we always seem to get lost in. The roads all seem to > lead to Edinburgh and we go round and round trying to find our way out. > > Jo > > > a blinding flash > hotter than the sun > dead bodies lie across the path > the radiation colors the air > finishing one by one > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 i just noticed arcata seems to shut down at like 8 at nite bleh Lynda <lurine Aug 13, 2005 2:52 PM Re: Re: small towns Yeah, well, that nutsy idea is catching on. Arcata just spent a mint on putting those stupid circles in all over town! Lynda a blinding flash hotter than the sun dead bodies lie across the path the radiation colors the air finishing one by one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2005 someday wait...outside of midge season...doesn't that leave me about 3 days in january??? Jo Cwazy <heartwork Aug 13, 2005 3:04 PM Re: Re: small towns I've been watching a series of six programmes which went around the coasts of Britain. It was lovely really. I do like Scotland - especially the Highlands. We hadn't been before about 20 years ago, but now go every other year almost. I think my favourite place there was when we walked along the Nevis gorge - so if you get to Scotland try to go there (preferably outside of midge season). Jo a blinding flash hotter than the sun dead bodies lie across the path the radiation colors the air finishing one by one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
