BBC website - Agent Orange

May 6, 2005

I don't know about Blair but you aren't doing the math quite correctly on

Alfred E. Newman's evil doppleganger. Voters are the folks that actually

vote. Eligible voters are folks who could but don't necessarily vote.

Afred E's 22% is of the eligible voters, however, he received 50.73% of the

actual votes cast. Well, of the supposed votes cast since there are some

real questions in states such as Ohio where, for example, one precinct had

only 600 some votes but cast over 3000 votes for Dumbya.

Lynda

-

Peter <metalscarab

Friday, May 06, 2005 2:02 PM

Re: Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

> Hi Lynda

>

> > Seems, generally speaking, that the average voter has not sense, in

either

> > country, than a truck load of rutabagas!

>

> I think you're a little harsh on the " average " voter... Blair has received

> votes from only 22% of the population - not even one in four people. I

> believe that Bush received a similar percentage - the problem is not the

> avergae voter, but the systems that we have to vote in, which has been

> created (in both countries) to ensure that only a select few will ever be

> able to get into power, but all the time making it look like everyone has

a

> say... a great way of preventing popular uprisings, which would have

> happened long ago in both countries if people had realised that they were

in

> a dictatorship!

>

> BB

> Peter

>

> To send an email to -

>

May 6, 2005

Why are you tired of people expressing their opinion about a government -you

are not the government. It is not a personal comment to you. Everyone is

welcome to slag-off the UK government as far as I am concerned. They don't

behave the way I want them to. Presumably the US government behaves the way

you want them to and that is why you defend them so passionately.

Although I doubt you actually like the government - haven't I heard you call

them the 'whorehouse' and other such insults in your previous emails? Where

are you coming from?

Jo

> Didn't say I supported the U.S. government. I said I was tired of folks

who

> live in glass houses forever bashing the U.S.

>

> BTW, Israel is now. What is the UK doing about the War Criminal Sharon?

>

> Lynda

> -

> Peter <metalscarab

>

> Friday, May 06, 2005 5:18 AM

> Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

>

> > Hi Lynda

> >

> > > Naughty, naughty, Jo. The UK was at the " mess with the world "

business

> > long

> > > before the U.S. and they haven't fixed one single thing they broke.

If

> > > they hadn't been " messing with the world,, millions of Native

Americans

> > > wouldn't be dead and the U.S. as it is, modeled after jolly ol'

England,

> > > wouldn't exist.

> >

> > Geez - you *really* have missed the point haven't you. Funny, you didn't

> > strike me as the nationalstic sort - I thought you were a bit more

> sensible

> > than that...

> >

> > Rather than getting aggressive, perhaps you could suggest what *anyone*

on

> > this list could have done to prevent what the UK government was doing in

> the

> > 1700s and 1920s - I was born in 1974, so couldn't really do much about

any

> > of this.

> >

> > The UK government is still doing some bad stuff, and quite a lot of us

are

> > doing what we can (I spend most weekends involved in some sort of

protest,

> > be it animal rights, G8, peace rallies, pro-Kyoto anti-Esso rallies

etc.)

> >

> > None of this takes away from the fact that the US government right now

is

> > one of the most aggressive the world has ever known. This is not the

fault

> > of the American people, only those few who support the US government.

I'm

> > just surprised that you are one of those few!

> >

> > BB

> > Peter

> >

> > To send an email to -

> >

May 6, 2005

Why do you think the US government should not take responsibility for what

it has done wrong. The American people didn't seem to agree with the

Vietnam war.

Jo

> This is the sort of thing that is annoying, " Seeing as the

> > > US caused the problem in the first place (along with problems all

> over the

> > > world) maybe they should just take some responsibility for the

> > consequences

> > > and help their victims. "

>

> And I have left your post attached. You said nothing about anything but

the

> U.S. You did later reply to someone else that it was a problem with

others.

>

> I guess we get tired of the U.S. bashing when most of the countries doing

it

> are doing as bad OR worse than the U.S.

>

> Unfortunately it would appear that Blair is in again which means the hope

> that Alfred E. Newman's evil doppleganger will still have someone

> perpetrating the lies about Iraq.

>

> Seems, generally speaking, that the average voter has not sense, in either

> country, than a truck load of rutabagas!

>

> Lynda

>

> -

> heartwerk <heartwork

>

> Friday, May 06, 2005 4:32 AM

> Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

>

> > Naughty Naughty Lynda - you are assuming that my emails apply only to

> > the US when I have clearly said they apply to the UK as well.

> > Glasshouses and stones do not apply.

> >

> > As for third world debts - well look it up. It's not the blessing

> > you think it is Lynda, even though our governments would like you to

> > think that way.

> >

> > You make the mistake of getting angry with me when you should be

> > angry at my government and yours. They are winning the game of

> > divide and conquer - and you cannot see it.

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> > > Naughty, naughty, Jo. The UK was at the " mess with the world "

> > business long

> > > before the U.S. and they haven't fixed one single thing they

> > broke. If

> > > they hadn't been " messing with the world,, millions of Native

> > Americans

> > > wouldn't be dead and the U.S. as it is, modeled after jolly ol'

> > England,

> > > wouldn't exist.

> > >

> > > In fact, the majority of our foreign aid wouldn't be going to

> > Israel if

> > > y'all on that side of the pond had done the job you were supposed

> > to do back

> > > beginning in the 20s.

> > >

> > > As to our military budget, a large % of it is a form of foreign aid

> > along

> > > with the $21 BILLION the U.S. already " formally " spends. Tack onto

> > that the

> > > hundreds of billions in foreign loans that are never repaid for,

> > hmmmm,

> > > repairing countries/cities that were bombed by the Germans during

> > WWII. How

> > > short one's memory is.

> > >

> > > The U.S. is no different than the rest of the colonizers or war

> > mongers and

> > > it is really pretty silly to call names, remember the pot and the

> > kettle and

> > > people who live in glass house and throwing rocks.

> > >

> > > So, when is the UK going to take responsibility for their share of

> > the

> > > genocide in the U.S.?

> > >

> > > Lynda, really tired of all the finger pointing when the finger

> > pointers

> > > government certainly aren't any better.

> > > -

> > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork@c...>

> > >

> > > Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:45 AM

> > > Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

> > >

> > > > The money could come out of your war budget - dn't you mind

> > paying taxes

> > > for

> > > > that - it is probably the governments biggest budget item.

> > Seeing as the

> > > > US caused the problem in the first place (along with problems all

> > over the

> > > > world) maybe they should just take some responsibility for the

> > > consequences

> > > > and help their victims.

> > > >

> > > > Jo

> >

> > To send an email to -

> >

May 6, 2005

imo, they bear the brunt from me cuz

1. they are the biggest perpetrators of it all

2. i bloody live here, so its partially my fault/my responsibility Lynda May 6, 2005 2:44 PM Re: BBC website - Agent Orange O.K., one more time. While our government isn't great, in fact, quite bad,the fact of the matter is that they aren't responsible for all things evil.Ya know the old saying "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."Bears some thought.Lynda-Jo Cwazy <heartworkFriday, May 06, 2005 2:26 PMRe: BBC website - Agent Orange

And Bugs Bunny is a friend of mine

Eating him I'd feel like Frankenstein

Eating flesh seems pretty foul to me

May 6, 2005

O.K., one more time. While our government isn't great, in fact, quite bad,

the fact of the matter is that they aren't responsible for all things evil.

Ya know the old saying " Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. "

Bears some thought.

Lynda

-

Jo Cwazy <heartwork

Friday, May 06, 2005 2:26 PM

Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

> Why are you tired of people expressing their opinion about a

government -you

> are not the government. It is not a personal comment to you. Everyone is

> welcome to slag-off the UK government as far as I am concerned. They

don't

> behave the way I want them to. Presumably the US government behaves the

way

> you want them to and that is why you defend them so passionately.

>

> Although I doubt you actually like the government - haven't I heard you

call

> them the 'whorehouse' and other such insults in your previous emails?

Where

> are you coming from?

>

> Jo

>

> > Didn't say I supported the U.S. government. I said I was tired of folks

> who

> > live in glass houses forever bashing the U.S.

> >

> > BTW, Israel is now. What is the UK doing about the War Criminal Sharon?

> >

> > Lynda

> > -

> > Peter <metalscarab

> >

> > Friday, May 06, 2005 5:18 AM

> > Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

> >

> > > Hi Lynda

> > >

> > > > Naughty, naughty, Jo. The UK was at the " mess with the world "

> business

> > > long

> > > > before the U.S. and they haven't fixed one single thing they broke.

> If

> > > > they hadn't been " messing with the world,, millions of Native

> Americans

> > > > wouldn't be dead and the U.S. as it is, modeled after jolly ol'

> England,

> > > > wouldn't exist.

> > >

> > > Geez - you *really* have missed the point haven't you. Funny, you

didn't

> > > strike me as the nationalstic sort - I thought you were a bit more

> > sensible

> > > than that...

> > >

> > > Rather than getting aggressive, perhaps you could suggest what

*anyone*

> on

> > > this list could have done to prevent what the UK government was doing

in

> > the

> > > 1700s and 1920s - I was born in 1974, so couldn't really do much about

> any

> > > of this.

> > >

> > > The UK government is still doing some bad stuff, and quite a lot of us

> are

> > > doing what we can (I spend most weekends involved in some sort of

> protest,

> > > be it animal rights, G8, peace rallies, pro-Kyoto anti-Esso rallies

> etc.)

> > >

> > > None of this takes away from the fact that the US government right now

> is

> > > one of the most aggressive the world has ever known. This is not the

> fault

> > > of the American people, only those few who support the US government.

> I'm

> > > just surprised that you are one of those few!

> > >

> > > BB

> > > Peter

> > >

> > > To send an email to -

> > >

May 6, 2005

most folks are against the war in iraq now as well

but..

who wants to hear that there country could possibly be doing bad things? nah..we're americans, the shining beacon to the world...

and all that....

every skool textbook drills it into yer head that we're number one, and even when we did *bad* things, they weren't really bad

Jo Cwazy May 6, 2005 2:41 PM Re: Re: BBC website - Agent Orange Why do you think the US government should not take responsibility for whatit has done wrong. The American people didn't seem to agree with theVietnam war.Jo

And Bugs Bunny is a friend of mine

Eating him I'd feel like Frankenstein

Eating flesh seems pretty foul to me

May 6, 2005

I am without sin in the context of this conversation, so don't quote the

bible at me like the 'rabid, radical, religious' people you were talking

about a few emails ago. We are discussing governments. I did not say the

US government was responsible for 'all things evil' - those are your words.

I said they should take responsibility for the bad things they have done (as

was said in the article I sent in), and I fail to see how anybody can

disagree - either to the fact that they have done bad things, or that they

should take responsibility. You seem to think I would feel upset when you

said the UK government is as bad - but it doesn't upset me. I agree, but

that doesn't take the heat of your government.

Jo

-

" Lynda " <lurine

Friday, May 06, 2005 10:44 PM

Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

> O.K., one more time. While our government isn't great, in fact, quite

bad,

> the fact of the matter is that they aren't responsible for all things

evil.

>

> Ya know the old saying " Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. "

> Bears some thought.

>

> Lynda

> -

> Jo Cwazy <heartwork

>

> Friday, May 06, 2005 2:26 PM

> Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

>

> > Why are you tired of people expressing their opinion about a

> government -you

> > are not the government. It is not a personal comment to you. Everyone

is

> > welcome to slag-off the UK government as far as I am concerned. They

> don't

> > behave the way I want them to. Presumably the US government behaves the

> way

> > you want them to and that is why you defend them so passionately.

> >

> > Although I doubt you actually like the government - haven't I heard you

> call

> > them the 'whorehouse' and other such insults in your previous emails?

> Where

> > are you coming from?

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > > Didn't say I supported the U.S. government. I said I was tired of

folks

> > who

> > > live in glass houses forever bashing the U.S.

> > >

> > > BTW, Israel is now. What is the UK doing about the War Criminal

Sharon?

> > >

> > > Lynda

> > > -

> > > Peter <metalscarab

> > >

> > > Friday, May 06, 2005 5:18 AM

> > > Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

> > >

> > > > Hi Lynda

> > > >

> > > > > Naughty, naughty, Jo. The UK was at the " mess with the world "

> > business

> > > > long

> > > > > before the U.S. and they haven't fixed one single thing they

broke.

> > If

> > > > > they hadn't been " messing with the world,, millions of Native

> > Americans

> > > > > wouldn't be dead and the U.S. as it is, modeled after jolly ol'

> > England,

> > > > > wouldn't exist.

> > > >

> > > > Geez - you *really* have missed the point haven't you. Funny, you

> didn't

> > > > strike me as the nationalstic sort - I thought you were a bit more

> > > sensible

> > > > than that...

> > > >

> > > > Rather than getting aggressive, perhaps you could suggest what

> *anyone*

> > on

> > > > this list could have done to prevent what the UK government was

doing

> in

> > > the

> > > > 1700s and 1920s - I was born in 1974, so couldn't really do much

about

> > any

> > > > of this.

> > > >

> > > > The UK government is still doing some bad stuff, and quite a lot of

us

> > are

> > > > doing what we can (I spend most weekends involved in some sort of

> > protest,

> > > > be it animal rights, G8, peace rallies, pro-Kyoto anti-Esso rallies

> > etc.)

> > > >

> > > > None of this takes away from the fact that the US government right

now

> > is

> > > > one of the most aggressive the world has ever known. This is not the

> > fault

> > > > of the American people, only those few who support the US

government.

> > I'm

> > > > just surprised that you are one of those few!

> > > >

> > > > BB

> > > > Peter

> > > >

> > > > To send an email to

-

> > > >

May 6, 2005

And does anybody think that is good or right?

Jo

-

fraggle

Friday, May 06, 2005 10:47 PM

Re: Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

most folks are against the war in iraq now as well

but..

who wants to hear that there country could possibly be doing bad things? nah..we're americans, the shining beacon to the world...

and all that....

every skool textbook drills it into yer head that we're number one, and even when we did *bad* things, they weren't really bad

Jo Cwazy May 6, 2005 2:41 PM Re: Re: BBC website - Agent Orange Why do you think the US government should not take responsibility for whatit has done wrong. The American people didn't seem to agree with theVietnam war.JoTo send an email to -

And Bugs Bunny is a friend of mine

Eating him I'd feel like Frankenstein

Eating flesh seems pretty foul to me

May 6, 2005

you'd be surprised jo..you'd be surprised

heck, they are trying to kick out college professors who, egads, actually question wot our government is doing

the heathens..

there is a large section of our population that has the ol "love it er leave it" attitude

of course...i look at it as love it or change it Jo Cwazy May 6, 2005 3:02 PM Re: Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

And does anybody think that is good or right?

Jo

-

fraggle

Friday, May 06, 2005 10:47 PM

Re: Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

most folks are against the war in iraq now as well

but..

who wants to hear that there country could possibly be doing bad things? nah..we're americans, the shining beacon to the world...

and all that....

every skool textbook drills it into yer head that we're number one, and even when we did *bad* things, they weren't really bad

Jo Cwazy May 6, 2005 2:41 PM Re: Re: BBC website - Agent Orange Why do you think the US government should not take responsibility for whatit has done wrong. The American people didn't seem to agree with theVietnam war.JoTo send an email to - And Bugs Bunny is a friend of mine

Eating him I'd feel like Frankenstein

Eating flesh seems pretty foul to me

To send an email to -

May 6, 2005

Just how much responsibility shall the U.S. take? For how long? And what

about France, GB, Russian, China and Australia? Are they going to take care

of their share? Have they taken care of any share?

And just how long after the fact are folks still responsible? If they wait

long enough does their responsibility end because their residents say " I

wasn't born then? "

Do you, personally, have any idea of how much has already been done? As far

as that goes, is anything ever enough?

Lynda

-

Jo Cwazy <heartwork

Friday, May 06, 2005 2:41 PM

Re: Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

> Why do you think the US government should not take responsibility for what

> it has done wrong. The American people didn't seem to agree with the

> Vietnam war.

>

> Jo

>

> > This is the sort of thing that is annoying, " Seeing as the

> > > > US caused the problem in the first place (along with problems all

> > over the

> > > > world) maybe they should just take some responsibility for the

> > > consequences

> > > > and help their victims. "

> >

> > And I have left your post attached. You said nothing about anything but

> the

> > U.S. You did later reply to someone else that it was a problem with

> others.

> >

> > I guess we get tired of the U.S. bashing when most of the countries

doing

> it

> > are doing as bad OR worse than the U.S.

> >

> > Unfortunately it would appear that Blair is in again which means the

hope

> > that Alfred E. Newman's evil doppleganger will still have someone

> > perpetrating the lies about Iraq.

> >

> > Seems, generally speaking, that the average voter has not sense, in

either

> > country, than a truck load of rutabagas!

> >

> > Lynda

> >

> > -

> > heartwerk <heartwork

> >

> > Friday, May 06, 2005 4:32 AM

> > Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

> >

> > > Naughty Naughty Lynda - you are assuming that my emails apply only to

> > > the US when I have clearly said they apply to the UK as well.

> > > Glasshouses and stones do not apply.

> > >

> > > As for third world debts - well look it up. It's not the blessing

> > > you think it is Lynda, even though our governments would like you to

> > > think that way.

> > >

> > > You make the mistake of getting angry with me when you should be

> > > angry at my government and yours. They are winning the game of

> > > divide and conquer - and you cannot see it.

> > >

> > > Jo

> > >

> > > , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> > > > Naughty, naughty, Jo. The UK was at the " mess with the world "

> > > business long

> > > > before the U.S. and they haven't fixed one single thing they

> > > broke. If

> > > > they hadn't been " messing with the world,, millions of Native

> > > Americans

> > > > wouldn't be dead and the U.S. as it is, modeled after jolly ol'

> > > England,

> > > > wouldn't exist.

> > > >

> > > > In fact, the majority of our foreign aid wouldn't be going to

> > > Israel if

> > > > y'all on that side of the pond had done the job you were supposed

> > > to do back

> > > > beginning in the 20s.

> > > >

> > > > As to our military budget, a large % of it is a form of foreign aid

> > > along

> > > > with the $21 BILLION the U.S. already " formally " spends. Tack onto

> > > that the

> > > > hundreds of billions in foreign loans that are never repaid for,

> > > hmmmm,

> > > > repairing countries/cities that were bombed by the Germans during

> > > WWII. How

> > > > short one's memory is.

> > > >

> > > > The U.S. is no different than the rest of the colonizers or war

> > > mongers and

> > > > it is really pretty silly to call names, remember the pot and the

> > > kettle and

> > > > people who live in glass house and throwing rocks.

> > > >

> > > > So, when is the UK going to take responsibility for their share of

> > > the

> > > > genocide in the U.S.?

> > > >

> > > > Lynda, really tired of all the finger pointing when the finger

> > > pointers

> > > > government certainly aren't any better.

> > > > -

> > > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork@c...>

> > > >

> > > > Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:45 AM

> > > > Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

> > > >

> > > > > The money could come out of your war budget - dn't you mind

> > > paying taxes

> > > > for

> > > > > that - it is probably the governments biggest budget item.

> > > Seeing as the

> > > > > US caused the problem in the first place (along with problems all

> > > over the

> > > > > world) maybe they should just take some responsibility for the

> > > > consequences

> > > > > and help their victims.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jo

> > >

> > > To send an email to -

> > >

May 6, 2005

Were you of voting age in the 60s? did you vote for Johnson or Nixon or Reagan?

How is it your responsibility if you weren't in favor and actively worked to stop it?

I mean, if you voted for the buffoons, then you bear some of the responsibility. If, on the other hand, you work to stop them or work to help those you can help, then why would it be your responsibility?

I've done my share. I've written the grants, personally walked folks through the paperwork, put together groups that worked to remove some of the idiots on local, state and the federal level.

I refuse to take responsibility for a government that I disagree with and work to correct, particularly when I personally work to help those that need help.

Now, if folks simply talk the talk but don't do anything to back it up, then they are as responsible as are those that voted for the bad guys or those that couldn't be bothered.

Lynda

-

fraggle

Friday, May 06, 2005 2:43 PM

Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

imo, they bear the brunt from me cuz

1. they are the biggest perpetrators of it all

2. i bloody live here, so its partially my fault/my responsibility Lynda May 6, 2005 2:44 PM Re: BBC website - Agent Orange O.K., one more time. While our government isn't great, in fact, quite bad,the fact of the matter is that they aren't responsible for all things evil.Ya know the old saying "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."Bears some thought.Lynda-Jo Cwazy <heartworkFriday, May 06, 2005 2:26 PMRe: BBC website - Agent OrangeTo send an email to -

And Bugs Bunny is a friend of mine

Eating him I'd feel like Frankenstein

Eating flesh seems pretty foul to me

May 6, 2005

Well, ya know what, this was "my" country before you foreigners came over and made a mess of it. <g>

I, personally, happen to like the "country" I live in but don't like the government. They aren't one and the same.

Lynda

-

fraggle

Friday, May 06, 2005 2:47 PM

Re: Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

most folks are against the war in iraq now as well

but..

who wants to hear that there country could possibly be doing bad things? nah..we're americans, the shining beacon to the world...

and all that....

every skool textbook drills it into yer head that we're number one, and even when we did *bad* things, they weren't really bad

Jo Cwazy May 6, 2005 2:41 PM Re: Re: BBC website - Agent Orange Why do you think the US government should not take responsibility for whatit has done wrong. The American people didn't seem to agree with theVietnam war.JoTo send an email to -

And Bugs Bunny is a friend of mine

Eating him I'd feel like Frankenstein

Eating flesh seems pretty foul to me

May 6, 2005

Maybe some of the war budget could go to looking after the children who are

born deformed because of the legacy of the spraying in Vietnam. It was not

their fault that they were born deformed.

Incidentally, the same thing will happen with all the depleted uranium that

has been used on the bombs dropped in Iraq - people will be suffering

because of that too - and was it entirely necessary to use depleted uranium,

or was it maybe just a way of dumping waste in another country?

Jo

-

" Lynda " <lurine

Friday, May 06, 2005 11:16 PM

Re: Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

> Just how much responsibility shall the U.S. take? For how long? And what

> about France, GB, Russian, China and Australia? Are they going to take

care

> of their share? Have they taken care of any share?

>

> And just how long after the fact are folks still responsible? If they

wait

> long enough does their responsibility end because their residents say " I

> wasn't born then? "

>

> Do you, personally, have any idea of how much has already been done? As

far

> as that goes, is anything ever enough?

>

> Lynda

>

> -

> Jo Cwazy <heartwork

>

> Friday, May 06, 2005 2:41 PM

> Re: Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

>

> > Why do you think the US government should not take responsibility for

what

> > it has done wrong. The American people didn't seem to agree with the

> > Vietnam war.

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > > This is the sort of thing that is annoying, " Seeing as the

> > > > > US caused the problem in the first place (along with problems all

> > > over the

> > > > > world) maybe they should just take some responsibility for the

> > > > consequences

> > > > > and help their victims. "

> > >

> > > And I have left your post attached. You said nothing about anything

but

> > the

> > > U.S. You did later reply to someone else that it was a problem with

> > others.

> > >

> > > I guess we get tired of the U.S. bashing when most of the countries

> doing

> > it

> > > are doing as bad OR worse than the U.S.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately it would appear that Blair is in again which means the

> hope

> > > that Alfred E. Newman's evil doppleganger will still have someone

> > > perpetrating the lies about Iraq.

> > >

> > > Seems, generally speaking, that the average voter has not sense, in

> either

> > > country, than a truck load of rutabagas!

> > >

> > > Lynda

> > >

> > > -

> > > heartwerk <heartwork

> > >

> > > Friday, May 06, 2005 4:32 AM

> > > Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

> > >

> > > > Naughty Naughty Lynda - you are assuming that my emails apply only

to

> > > > the US when I have clearly said they apply to the UK as well.

> > > > Glasshouses and stones do not apply.

> > > >

> > > > As for third world debts - well look it up. It's not the blessing

> > > > you think it is Lynda, even though our governments would like you to

> > > > think that way.

> > > >

> > > > You make the mistake of getting angry with me when you should be

> > > > angry at my government and yours. They are winning the game of

> > > > divide and conquer - and you cannot see it.

> > > >

> > > > Jo

> > > >

> > > > , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> > > > > Naughty, naughty, Jo. The UK was at the " mess with the world "

> > > > business long

> > > > > before the U.S. and they haven't fixed one single thing they

> > > > broke. If

> > > > > they hadn't been " messing with the world,, millions of Native

> > > > Americans

> > > > > wouldn't be dead and the U.S. as it is, modeled after jolly ol'

> > > > England,

> > > > > wouldn't exist.

> > > > >

> > > > > In fact, the majority of our foreign aid wouldn't be going to

> > > > Israel if

> > > > > y'all on that side of the pond had done the job you were supposed

> > > > to do back

> > > > > beginning in the 20s.

> > > > >

> > > > > As to our military budget, a large % of it is a form of foreign

aid

> > > > along

> > > > > with the $21 BILLION the U.S. already " formally " spends. Tack

onto

> > > > that the

> > > > > hundreds of billions in foreign loans that are never repaid for,

> > > > hmmmm,

> > > > > repairing countries/cities that were bombed by the Germans during

> > > > WWII. How

> > > > > short one's memory is.

> > > > >

> > > > > The U.S. is no different than the rest of the colonizers or war

> > > > mongers and

> > > > > it is really pretty silly to call names, remember the pot and the

> > > > kettle and

> > > > > people who live in glass house and throwing rocks.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, when is the UK going to take responsibility for their share of

> > > > the

> > > > > genocide in the U.S.?

> > > > >

> > > > > Lynda, really tired of all the finger pointing when the finger

> > > > pointers

> > > > > government certainly aren't any better.

> > > > > -

> > > > > Jo Cwazy <heartwork@c...>

> > > > >

> > > > > Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:45 AM

> > > > > Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

> > > > >

> > > > > > The money could come out of your war budget - dn't you mind

> > > > paying taxes

> > > > > for

> > > > > > that - it is probably the governments biggest budget item.

> > > > Seeing as the

> > > > > > US caused the problem in the first place (along with problems

all

> > > > over the

> > > > > > world) maybe they should just take some responsibility for the

> > > > > consequences

> > > > > > and help their victims.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jo

> > > >

> > > > To send an email to

-

> > > >

May 6, 2005

I think that's what we've all been saying :-)

Jo

-

Lynda

Friday, May 06, 2005 11:26 PM

Re: Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

Well, ya know what, this was "my" country before you foreigners came over and made a mess of it. <g>

I, personally, happen to like the "country" I live in but don't like the government. They aren't one and the same.

Lynda

-

fraggle

Friday, May 06, 2005 2:47 PM

Re: Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

most folks are against the war in iraq now as well

but..

who wants to hear that there country could possibly be doing bad things? nah..we're americans, the shining beacon to the world...

and all that....

every skool textbook drills it into yer head that we're number one, and even when we did *bad* things, they weren't really bad

Jo Cwazy May 6, 2005 2:41 PM Re: Re: BBC website - Agent Orange Why do you think the US government should not take responsibility for whatit has done wrong. The American people didn't seem to agree with theVietnam war.JoTo send an email to - And Bugs Bunny is a friend of mine

Eating him I'd feel like Frankenstein

Eating flesh seems pretty foul to meTo send an email to -

May 6, 2005

and yer folks(whichever nation you belonged to..sorry..don't know) prolly kicked out some other tribe who was there before you...

humans are good like that...

tho..europeans are damn good at genocide(and by default, the US)

alas, folks all over the globe are dang good at murdering one another over tribe, language, skin color, how many stars are on thars.... Lynda May 6, 2005 3:26 PM Re: Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

Well, ya know what, this was "my" country before you foreigners came over and made a mess of it. <g>

I, personally, happen to like the "country" I live in but don't like the government. They aren't one and the same.

Lynda

----- Original

And Bugs Bunny is a friend of mine

Eating him I'd feel like Frankenstein

Eating flesh seems pretty foul to me

May 6, 2005

sorry..i was only born in the 60's..they don't let 2 yrs olds vote yet..but..amazingly enough they let two year olds run the nation...funny that

and

i bear responsibility cuz they are doing it in my name..because i live here, because i can't get enough ppl to listen..because i live in this cute little lap of luxury and have food and a motorcycle, and buy their gasoline which is a big chunk of the reason why we invaded iraq(and soon will be bombing the bejeebers out of iran)...

because i don't know what else to do.....

because there is so much i should be doing

because i prolly shouldbe tossing my little body across the tracks of some train carrying cruise missiles to their shipping point..because i prolly should be chaining myself to the doors of the justice dept,

cuz they are doing this crap in my name..and we are still letting them...

ok..i'm gonna go away to cry now.................. Lynda May 6, 2005 3:24 PM Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

Were you of voting age in the 60s? did you vote for Johnson or Nixon or Reagan?

How is it your responsibility if you weren't in favor and actively worked to stop it?

I mean, if you voted for the buffoons, then you bear some of the responsibility. If, on the other hand, you work to stop them or work to help those you can help, then why would it be your responsibility?

I've done my share. I've written the grants, personally walked folks through the paperwork, put together groups that worked to remove some of the idiots on local, state and the federal level.

I refuse to take responsibility for a government that I disagree with and work to correct, particularly when I personally work to help those that need help.

Now, if folks simply talk the talk but don't do anything to back it up, then they are as responsible as are those that voted for the bad guys or those that couldn't be bothered.

Lynda

And Bugs Bunny is a friend of mine

Eating him I'd feel like Frankenstein

Eating flesh seems pretty foul to me

May 6, 2005

a little bit of column a, a little bit of column b

depleted uranium is used because it makes the rounds *harder* and more armor piercing

and, of course, its a great way to get rid of all that spent nuclear gunk..and gives a shot in the arm to the flailing nuclear energy Jo Cwazy May 6, 2005 3:45 PM Re: Re: BBC website - Agent Orange Maybe some of the war budget could go to looking after the children who areborn deformed because of the legacy of the spraying in Vietnam. It was nottheir fault that they were born deformed.Incidentally, the same thing will happen with all the depleted uranium thathas been used on the bombs dropped in Iraq - people will be sufferingbecause of that too - and was it entirely necessary to use depleted uranium,or was it maybe just a way of dumping waste in another country?Jo

And Bugs Bunny is a friend of mine

Eating him I'd feel like Frankenstein

Eating flesh seems pretty foul to me

May 7, 2005

Fweedom to bear arms is always a good one!

The Valley Vegan.......fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

thats obviously because you hate our fweedoms

sorry..did that come out overly bitter and sarcastic?

whoops

yeah..i know our government is falling further and further in the eyes in the rest of the world

nowhere to go but up after this, right?

right?

*sigh*

Jo Cwazy May 5, 2005 10:42 AM Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

Sorry to say we agree with you Fraggle - the US government is not held in high esteem here in many quarters (neither is the UK government)

Jo

To send an email to -

And Bugs Bunny is a friend of mine

Eating him I'd feel like Frankenstein

Eating flesh seems pretty foul to mePeter H

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May 7, 2005

Hi Lynda

> Making sure the news of what is happening in Palestine gets out there.

That

> corrections are made when newspapers get it wrong. Correcting folks who

> have all kinds of misinformation about the history of the region.

> Continually bombarding elected reps about what is happening to real people

> in Palestine. Getting out there the info on the atrocities perpetrated by

> the Israelis.

So why are you getting so upset about people criticising the US government?

Surely the efforts you are going to show that you feel the same about them

as we do!

BB

Peter

May 7, 2005

Hi Lynda

> O.K., one more time. While our government isn't great, in fact, quite

bad,

> the fact of the matter is that they aren't responsible for all things

evil.

Not all, but most.... as Amnesty International pointed out in an official

report about 5 years ago, pointing out that the vast majority of people who

are tortured and killed are living under regimes supported by, or set up by

the US government.

BB

Peter

May 7, 2005

Hi Lynda

> Ya know the old saying " Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. "

> Bears some thought.

It does... but I don't see it from stopping you casting stones!!!!

BB

Peter

May 7, 2005

Hi Lynda

> I don't know about Blair but you aren't doing the math quite correctly on

> Alfred E. Newman's evil doppleganger. Voters are the folks that actually

> vote. Eligible voters are folks who could but don't necessarily vote.

> Afred E's 22% is of the eligible voters, however, he received 50.73% of

the

> actual votes cast. Well, of the supposed votes cast since there are some

> real questions in states such as Ohio where, for example, one precinct had

> only 600 some votes but cast over 3000 votes for Dumbya.

While I don't really want to get dug down into semantics... voters are

people who have the right to vote. A number make a conscious decision not to

vote. That doesn't mean they aren't voters, just that they choose to

abstain. They still " vote " , just not by putting a cross in a box (or

punching a chad, or whatever you guys in the US do nowadays!)

BB

Peter

May 7, 2005

Come on Fraggle, what have you actually changed this week ( apart from your underware?)

The Valley Vegan......fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

you'd be surprised jo..you'd be surprised

heck, they are trying to kick out college professors who, egads, actually question wot our government is doing

the heathens..

there is a large section of our population that has the ol "love it er leave it" attitude

of course...i look at it as love it or change it Jo Cwazy May 6, 2005 3:02 PM Re: Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

And does anybody think that is good or right?

Jo

-

fraggle

Friday, May 06, 2005 10:47 PM

Re: Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

most folks are against the war in iraq now as well

but..

who wants to hear that there country could possibly be doing bad things? nah..we're americans, the shining beacon to the world...

and all that....

every skool textbook drills it into yer head that we're number one, and even when we did *bad* things, they weren't really bad

Jo Cwazy May 6, 2005 2:41 PM Re: Re: BBC website - Agent Orange Why do you think the US government should not take responsibility for whatit has done wrong. The American people didn't seem to agree with theVietnam war.JoTo send an email to - And Bugs Bunny is a friend of mine

Eating him I'd feel like Frankenstein

Eating flesh seems pretty foul to me

To send an email to -

May 7, 2005

Hi Peter

> Fweedom to bear arms is always a good one!

And just to start another in-depth discussion.... someone recently pointed out that when that was written, "arms" was usually at worst a cross-bow, or a sword... they didn't really envisage it meaning rapid-fire machine guns and the like... makes you wonder why you don't have people in the US wandering around with pocket-size nuclear weapons claiming that they have every right to under the constitution :-)

BB

Peter

May 7, 2005

Yup, hail Guns and Moses!

Lynda, yuck, yuck, yuck!

-

peter hurd

Saturday, May 07, 2005 7:16 AM

Re: BBC website - Agent Orange

Fweedom to bear arms is always a good one!

The Valley Vegan.......

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