Guest guest Report post Posted January 9, 2005 A study was done a couple of years ago showing that vegans tend to have the highest iron levels, followed by meat eaters, with vegetarians lagging in last. My levels are fabulous, the doctors are always impressed. Veronica >There are two types of iron: haem, which is the type found in meat; >and non-haem, which is the type found in non-meat items such as >eggs, cereals, vegetables, peas, beans and lentils. Non-haem iron is >not as well absorbed by the body as haem iron is. However, the >absorption of non-haem iron can be enhanced by vitamin C, which is a >good reason for giving vegetables and fruit at the same time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 9, 2005 thanks Melissa, ok, now what is tamari, and don't say Monday....ar ar ar When you say some detest it some love it I think of garlic, my dad forbed it in the house when I was a kid, and I just couldn't ever see why cause it's my most favorite cooking aroma. I don't know what tamari is. Is it sweet? blessings, Chanda/Maria - melissa_hopp Sunday, January 09, 2005 1:11 AM Re: Health Alert For Vegans , " Maria/Chanda " <puterwitch@c...> wrote: > umm Melissa, > what is marmite, LOL, excuse my newness, > Blessings, > Maria/Chanda > All I know is it is yeast extract. It is a pasty black substance, that I suppose you could say tastes sort of like tamari if you made it a paste. I have been told by those I've cajoled into trying it (those who've not had it & can get beyond the smell, which oddly some just detest, personally I think it is glorious) that it is an acquired taste. I think marmite is stronger than vegemite - which I think may have more veggies added? It is marvelous on buttery toast - you spread it pretty thin. It is also nice as a sandwich spread - I like vegemite better as a sandwich & spread it a bit thicker. It is not at all well known in the US, though I can find it at local stores...though you never know where, cuz I don't think they know what it is! International stores will have it. Which makes me think of this...do any of you have as much fun as I do at regular grocery stores stumping the checker?? I buy things I think are typical, like kale, parsnips, seitan, etc...but so often the checkout kid has no idea what it is! m Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 9, 2005 thanks for the info Melissa. - melissa_hopp Sunday, January 09, 2005 1:00 AM Re: Health Alert For Vegans Okay - my two cents... I think it is really important to make sure you are eating a wide variety of foods - and my experience has been that few people do this as well as vegetarians and vegans. I do sometimes feel myself dragging a bit (especially at certain times) and keep a multivitamin on hand, as well as B and E supplements - I take them when I'm stressed, busy and not eating well, colds are going 'round, or I just feel drained. I also heartily agree that Folic acid should be taken by women of childbearing age, it simple, proven and better safe than sorry!! I also worry about my kids - and I do give them a children's multiple every couple days - especially in the winter when it is cold/flu time and there aren't the fresh fruits and veggies available to really balance a diet - it gives me peace of mind. I too, read the labels to avoid gelatin, etc. - which is tough with E and kids vitamins (I hate the chewy things that are all the rage, gelatin laden and bad for teeth). There are vegetarian friendly vitamins available!! Here's some info I got from a nutritionists posting on a BBC cooking website.... Vitamin B12 is found in milk, eggs, cheese and yeast extracts. Vegetarians normally get enough B12 from dairy produce, but vegan diets can be inadequate in B12. In order to avoid deficiency, vegans should try to eat foods enriched with B12 (such as breakfast cereals) or regularly include yeast extract in the diet. There are two types of iron: haem, which is the type found in meat; and non-haem, which is the type found in non-meat items such as eggs, cereals, vegetables, peas, beans and lentils. Non-haem iron is not as well absorbed by the body as haem iron is. However, the absorption of non-haem iron can be enhanced by vitamin C, which is a good reason for giving vegetables and fruit at the same time. m > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 9, 2005 ha, ha... Tamari is basically soy sauce - just a more natural and I think richer tasting version. Marmite/vegemite is not sweet - it is salty and savory. m Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 9, 2005 At 06:01 PM 1/9/2005 +0000, you wrote: >ha, ha... > >Tamari is basically soy sauce - just a more natural and I think >richer tasting version. Yeah, it's kind of like soy sauce with less overwhelming salt flavor. I don't know that it's any more natural, it's just a different sauce. Tasty! Veronica Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 9, 2005 thanks, I will try it. I guess you can get it at the Chinese market? Blessings, Chanda/Maria - Diamond Dog Sunday, January 09, 2005 3:42 PM Re: Re: Health Alert For Vegans At 06:01 PM 1/9/2005 +0000, you wrote: >ha, ha... > >Tamari is basically soy sauce - just a more natural and I think >richer tasting version. Yeah, it's kind of like soy sauce with less overwhelming salt flavor. I don't know that it's any more natural, it's just a different sauce. Tasty! Veronica Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 9, 2005 Same here....my doctor is amazed --- Diamond Dog <diamonddog wrote: > A study was done a couple of years ago showing that > vegans tend to have the > highest iron levels, followed by meat eaters, with > vegetarians lagging in > last. My levels are fabulous, the doctors are always > impressed. > > Veronica > > > >There are two types of iron: haem, which is the > type found in meat; > >and non-haem, which is the type found in non-meat > items such as > >eggs, cereals, vegetables, peas, beans and lentils. > Non-haem iron is > >not as well absorbed by the body as haem iron is. > However, the > >absorption of non-haem iron can be enhanced by > vitamin C, which is a > >good reason for giving vegetables and fruit at the > same time. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 11, 2005 I thought this way too for many years...but now I don't. You see I wouldn't have believed I was deficient if I also felt that I could have more energy. Something tells me I'll feel much better if I supplement now...I feel very happy about it. Wish I did it sooner. I think if I had done the Calcium thing earlier I would be at less risk as I get older. Also, I know I've been iron deficient much of my life. If I had supplemented more iron I think it would have made a significant difference in my life. It's all a learning experience. If you are happy, healthy and content...more power to you. Kristina In a message dated 1/11/05 9:49:31 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, writes: peter hurd [swpgh01] 11 January 2005 17:19 Subject: Re: Health Alert For VegansHiya Rick,I`m sure your intentions are good, but I am always sceptical aboutsupliments. I prefer my vitamins and minerals either as nature intended,or in fortified soya milk/margarine. The world has far too manybrainwashed pill poppers and the pill makers are making a fortune offthis.Sorry to be such a downer, just an opinion.The Valley Vegan.......Rick Stevens <ecology1st2004 wrote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 11, 2005 Hiya Rick, I`m sure your intentions are good, but I am always sceptical about supliments. I prefer my vitamins and minerals either as nature intended, or in fortified soya milk/margarine. The world has far too many brainwashed pill poppers and the pill makers are making a fortune off this. Sorry to be such a downer, just an opinion. The Valley Vegan.......Rick Stevens <ecology1st2004 wrote: Hi List, Just wanted to give a quick health update to anyone ona vegan diet as I am. Here's the update, make sure youtake plenty of sublingual B-12 every day. Also, makesure you take extra B-6, and extra Folic acid everydayas well. All three of the things can keep your hearthealthy. Click link below to see why. Don't ignorethis advice. It's very crucial for all vegans to beaware of this, as low B-12 levels can lead to heartdisease! Gary Null pushes this big time too. Make sureand tell any other vegans you know about this also. Bea smart vegan, not a dumb vegan. (-:Click here > http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/hcyPeace,Rick Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search.http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 11, 2005 Downer? Nah – REALISM! Andrew Barnes peter hurd [swpgh01] 11 January 2005 17:19 Re: Health Alert For Vegans Hiya Rick, I`m sure your intentions are good, but I am always sceptical about supliments. I prefer my vitamins and minerals either as nature intended, or in fortified soya milk/margarine. The world has far too many brainwashed pill poppers and the pill makers are making a fortune off this. Sorry to be such a downer, just an opinion. The Valley Vegan....... Rick Stevens <ecology1st2004 wrote: Hi List, Just wanted to give a quick health update to anyone on a vegan diet as I am. Here's the update, make sure you take plenty of sublingual B-12 every day. Also, make sure you take extra B-6, and extra Folic acid everyday as well. All three of the things can keep your heart healthy. Click link below to see why. Don't ignore this advice. It's very crucial for all vegans to be aware of this, as low B-12 levels can lead to heart disease! Gary Null pushes this big time too. Make sure and tell any other vegans you know about this also. Be a smart vegan, not a dumb vegan. (-: Click here > http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/hcy Peace, Rick Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 11, 2005 "The world has far too many brainwashed pill poppers and the pill makers are making a fortune off this." Just so you know, I would be in prison, institutionalized, or dead if it weren't for the pills I pop. Since taking Geodon, Effexor, and Wellbutrin, I have ceased to physically attack people who piss me off, ceased self-injuring, and have only been hospitalized once, as compared to the four times I was in the psych ward before I started taking anti-psychotics. Unmedicated I'm a danger to myself and others. I'm sure there are instances where medications or supplements and prescribed when not necessary, but for some of us they are as necessary as air. I'm very sad that these meds were tested on animals, but for me, the alternative isn't too pretty. Love, Anna - peter hurd 1/11/2005 10:18:43 AM Re: Health Alert For Vegans Hiya Rick, I`m sure your intentions are good, but I am always sceptical about supliments. I prefer my vitamins and minerals either as nature intended, or in fortified soya milk/margarine. The world has far too many brainwashed pill poppers and the pill makers are making a fortune off this. Sorry to be such a downer, just an opinion. The Valley Vegan.......Rick Stevens <ecology1st2004 wrote: Hi List, Just wanted to give a quick health update to anyone ona vegan diet as I am. Here's the update, make sure youtake plenty of sublingual B-12 every day. Also, makesure you take extra B-6, and extra Folic acid everydayas well. All three of the things can keep your hearthealthy. Click link below to see why. Don't ignorethis advice. It's very crucial for all vegans to beaware of this, as low B-12 levels can lead to heartdisease! Gary Null pushes this big time too. Make sureand tell any other vegans you know about this also. Bea smart vegan, not a dumb vegan. (-:Click here > http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/hcyPeace,Rick Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search.http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 11, 2005 Hi Anna Personally, I think that there are some instances (as you've described) where medication can be incredibly helpful. I think the problem is that due to the power of pharmaceutical companies, we are rapidly turning into a "medication culture", where it is assumed that any problem is best fixed with a pill, whereas many would be better fixed with diet or lifestyle changes. A change in attitude to that way of thinking would reduce the amount of drugs taken by the majority of people considerably, and the focus of pharmaceutical companies could then be put into developing better drugs for people who genuinely need them, rather than to the job of making huge profits. BB Peter - Anna Blaine Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:53 PM Re: Health Alert For Vegans "The world has far too many brainwashed pill poppers and the pill makers are making a fortune off this." Just so you know, I would be in prison, institutionalized, or dead if it weren't for the pills I pop. Since taking Geodon, Effexor, and Wellbutrin, I have ceased to physically attack people who piss me off, ceased self-injuring, and have only been hospitalized once, as compared to the four times I was in the psych ward before I started taking anti-psychotics. Unmedicated I'm a danger to myself and others. I'm sure there are instances where medications or supplements and prescribed when not necessary, but for some of us they are as necessary as air. I'm very sad that these meds were tested on animals, but for me, the alternative isn't too pretty. Love, Anna - peter hurd 1/11/2005 10:18:43 AM Re: Health Alert For Vegans Hiya Rick, I`m sure your intentions are good, but I am always sceptical about supliments. I prefer my vitamins and minerals either as nature intended, or in fortified soya milk/margarine. The world has far too many brainwashed pill poppers and the pill makers are making a fortune off this. Sorry to be such a downer, just an opinion. The Valley Vegan.......Rick Stevens <ecology1st2004 wrote: Hi List, Just wanted to give a quick health update to anyone ona vegan diet as I am. Here's the update, make sure youtake plenty of sublingual B-12 every day. Also, makesure you take extra B-6, and extra Folic acid everydayas well. All three of the things can keep your hearthealthy. Click link below to see why. Don't ignorethis advice. It's very crucial for all vegans to beaware of this, as low B-12 levels can lead to heartdisease! Gary Null pushes this big time too. Make sureand tell any other vegans you know about this also. Bea smart vegan, not a dumb vegan. (-:Click here > http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/hcyPeace,Rick Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search.http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 12, 2005 come on peter, you know you need Merrioxilatumbutanolhydroxypostnium.... its the perfect thing for today's modern person. Do you feel out of sorts? do things seem not quite right? do you become tired ever? Do you become excitable ? Then our little mauve/purple/pink/yellow pill is just right for you! Ask your doctor and demand our path to success may cause drowsiness, irritability, loss of appetite, bulemia, hair loss, uncontrollable retching, enormous flatulence, toe nail failure, anal leakage, testicular distention, blindness, dry mouth, drooling, redness around the pubis, lung collapse, loss of bowel functions, cibophobia, death, or cause the moon to spin out of orbit do not take if pregnant, want to become pregnant, can walk, sleep more then 1 hour a day or breath Peter Jan 11, 2005 3:03 PM Re: Health Alert For Vegans Hi Anna Personally, I think that there are some instances (as you've described) where medication can be incredibly helpful. I think the problem is that due to the power of pharmaceutical companies, we are rapidly turning into a "medication culture", where it is assumed that any problem is best fixed with a pill, whereas many would be better fixed with diet or lifestyle changes. A change in attitude to that way of thinking would reduce the amount of drugs taken by the majority of people considerably, and the focus of pharmaceutical companies could then be put into developing better drugs for people who genuinely need them, rather than to the job of making huge profits. BB Peter - Anna Blaine Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:53 PM Re: Health Alert For Vegans "The world has far too many brainwashed pill poppers and the pill makers are making a fortune off this." Just so you know, I would be in prison, institutionalized, or dead if it weren't for the pills I pop. Since taking Geodon, Effexor, and Wellbutrin, I have ceased to physically attack people who piss me off, ceased self-injuring, and have only been hospitalized once, as compared to the four times I was in the psych ward before I started taking anti-psychotics. Unmedicated I'm a danger to myself and others. I'm sure there are instances where medications or supplements and prescribed when not necessary, but for some of us they are as necessary as air. I'm very sad that these meds were tested on animals, but for me, the alternative isn't too pretty. Love, Anna - peter hurd 1/11/2005 10:18:43 AM Re: Health Alert For Vegans Hiya Rick, I`m sure your intentions are good, but I am always sceptical about supliments. I prefer my vitamins and minerals either as nature intended, or in fortified soya milk/margarine. The world has far too many brainwashed pill poppers and the pill makers are making a fortune off this. Sorry to be such a downer, just an opinion. The Valley Vegan.......Rick Stevens <ecology1st2004 wrote: Hi List, Just wanted to give a quick health update to anyone ona vegan diet as I am. Here's the update, make sure youtake plenty of sublingual B-12 every day. Also, makesure you take extra B-6, and extra Folic acid everydayas well. All three of the things can keep your hearthealthy. Click link below to see why. Don't ignorethis advice. It's very crucial for all vegans to beaware of this, as low B-12 levels can lead to heartdisease! Gary Null pushes this big time too. Make sureand tell any other vegans you know about this also. Bea smart vegan, not a dumb vegan. (-:Click here > http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/hcyPeace,Rick Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search.http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 12, 2005 Where I live (Denmark) the doctors has been allowed to prescribe exercise and diet instead of pills for certain health problems. So far it is only a test, and I don't know all the details about it but what I have heard is that the results seem good. I think the participants get all or most of their expenses paid for and the program last for 4 months. Louise , " Peter " <metalscarab@b...> wrote: > Hi Anna > > Personally, I think that there are some instances (as you've described) where medication can be incredibly helpful. I think the problem is that due to the power of pharmaceutical companies, we are rapidly turning into a " medication culture " , where it is assumed that any problem is best fixed with a pill, whereas many would be better fixed with diet or lifestyle changes. A change in attitude to that way of thinking would reduce the amount of drugs taken by the majority of people considerably, and the focus of pharmaceutical companies could then be put into developing better drugs for people who genuinely need them, rather than to the job of making huge profits. > > BB > Peter > > > - > Anna Blaine > > Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:53 PM > Re: Health Alert For Vegans > > > " The world has far too many brainwashed pill poppers and the pill makers are making a fortune off this. " > > Just so you know, I would be in prison, institutionalized, or dead if it weren't for the pills I pop. Since taking Geodon, Effexor, and Wellbutrin, I have ceased to physically attack people who piss me off, ceased self-injuring, and have only been hospitalized once, as compared to the four times I was in the psych ward before I started taking anti-psychotics. Unmedicated I'm a danger to myself and others. > > I'm sure there are instances where medications or supplements and prescribed when not necessary, but for some of us they are as necessary as air. I'm very sad that these meds were tested on animals, but for me, the alternative isn't too pretty. > > Love, > Anna > > > - > peter hurd > > 1/11/2005 10:18:43 AM > Re: Health Alert For Vegans > > > Hiya Rick, > I`m sure your intentions are good, but I am always sceptical about supliments. I prefer my vitamins and minerals either as nature intended, or in fortified soya milk/margarine. The world has far too many brainwashed pill poppers and the pill makers are making a fortune off this. > Sorry to be such a downer, just an opinion. > The Valley Vegan....... > > Rick Stevens <ecology1st2004> wrote: > > > Hi List, > > Just wanted to give a quick health update to anyone on > a vegan diet as I am. Here's the update, make sure you > take plenty of sublingual B-12 every day. Also, make > sure you take extra B-6, and extra Folic acid everyday > as well. All three of the things can keep your heart > healthy. Click link below to see why. Don't ignore > this advice. It's very crucial for all vegans to be > aware of this, as low B-12 levels can lead to heart > disease! Gary Null pushes this big time too. Make sure > and tell any other vegans you know about this also. Be > a smart vegan, not a dumb vegan. (-: > > Click here > http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/hcy > > Peace, > > Rick > > > > > > > > Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. > http://info.mail./mail_250 To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 12, 2005 That sounds like a sensible idea. Jo , " aaliayaa " <idasort@h...> wrote: > > Where I live (Denmark) the doctors has been allowed to prescribe > exercise and diet instead of pills for certain health problems. So > far it is only a test, and I don't know all the details about it but > what I have heard is that the results seem good. I think the > participants get all or most of their expenses paid for and the > program last for 4 months. > > Louise > > > > > , " Peter " <metalscarab@b...> wrote: > > Hi Anna > > > > Personally, I think that there are some instances (as you've > described) where medication can be incredibly helpful. I think the > problem is that due to the power of pharmaceutical companies, we are > rapidly turning into a " medication culture " , where it is assumed that > any problem is best fixed with a pill, whereas many would be better > fixed with diet or lifestyle changes. A change in attitude to that > way of thinking would reduce the amount of drugs taken by the > majority of people considerably, and the focus of pharmaceutical > companies could then be put into developing better drugs for people > who genuinely need them, rather than to the job of making huge > profits. > > > > BB > > Peter > > > > > > - > > Anna Blaine > > > > Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:53 PM > > Re: Health Alert For Vegans > > > > > > " The world has far too many brainwashed pill poppers and the pill > makers are making a fortune off this. " > > > > Just so you know, I would be in prison, institutionalized, or > dead if it weren't for the pills I pop. Since taking Geodon, > Effexor, and Wellbutrin, I have ceased to physically attack people > who piss me off, ceased self-injuring, and have only been > hospitalized once, as compared to the four times I was in the psych > ward before I started taking anti-psychotics. Unmedicated I'm a > danger to myself and others. > > > > I'm sure there are instances where medications or supplements and > prescribed when not necessary, but for some of us they are as > necessary as air. I'm very sad that these meds were tested on > animals, but for me, the alternative isn't too pretty. > > > > Love, > > Anna > > > > > > - > > peter hurd > > > > 1/11/2005 10:18:43 AM > > Re: Health Alert For Vegans > > > > > > Hiya Rick, > > I`m sure your intentions are good, but I am always sceptical > about supliments. I prefer my vitamins and minerals either as nature > intended, or in fortified soya milk/margarine. The world has far too > many brainwashed pill poppers and the pill makers are making a > fortune off this. > > Sorry to be such a downer, just an opinion. > > The Valley Vegan....... > > > > Rick Stevens <ecology1st2004> wrote: > > > > > > Hi List, > > > > Just wanted to give a quick health update to anyone on > > a vegan diet as I am. Here's the update, make sure you > > take plenty of sublingual B-12 every day. Also, make > > sure you take extra B-6, and extra Folic acid everyday > > as well. All three of the things can keep your heart > > healthy. Click link below to see why. Don't ignore > > this advice. It's very crucial for all vegans to be > > aware of this, as low B-12 levels can lead to heart > > disease! Gary Null pushes this big time too. Make sure > > and tell any other vegans you know about this also. Be > > a smart vegan, not a dumb vegan. (-: > > > > Click here > http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/hcy > > > > Peace, > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. > > http://info.mail./mail_250 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
