Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2004 well i do try my best, its not easy when i am the only vegan i know! dont get too much support from anyone, so please go easy on me!Andrew Barnes <andrew.barnes wrote: If he eats meat – yes – boot him out (Being flippant) Generally if one is vegan it is not because one ‘want’ to be, rather - ‘forced’ to be because of what you know. In the same way that people happily buy products at GAP and at ADIDAS etc until they are told about the horrible regimes that exist to make those clothes and then they shop elsewhere. I am a life vegan – 24 years and I wouldn’t live with anyone else who wasn’t. I suppose if you have only started the move to vegaism recently it’s different (never done it). As a rule I wouldn’t expect vegans to be capable of cooking/living with/sharing a fridge with people who eat meat. It is akin to a bible basher living with a Satanist. Sorry if I am abrupt and argumentative – growing up in a basically stupid world really gets my goat and I shout loudly – please don’t take it personally – I don’t know you and am just calling shots on what’s written in emails (all info we have to go on anyway). regards Andrew Barnes victoria leggett [tipples78] 14 December 2004 19:55 Subject: Re: vegan families what about my partner who is too an adult? or should i just ask him to leave??Anna Blaine <anna333 wrote: I think the grownup who's doing the cooking should get to decide how the family eats. That's the adult's job - to make sure their children are eating properly. -Anna - Peter 12/13/2004 5:35:35 PM Re: vegan families Hi Victoria > exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for themselves! i will cook what they want untill the time they leave home, > whatever it may be! What if they wanted you to cook human flesh? Or, how about dog or cat? As a question for anyone who feels so inclined to answer... what would people consider to be the ethical boundary they would not cross when it comes to feeding their children? For me, it would be that I would not prepare a non-vegan meal for anyone. If people want to eat meat / dairy, I would have no inclination to prevent them from doing so, but I would not provide it for them. BB Peter To send an email to - To send an email to - Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Messenger To send an email to - ______________________This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. Theservice is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactiveanti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit:http://www.star.net.uk______________________ This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately.______________________This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. Theservice is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactiveanti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit:http://www.star.net.uk______________________To send an email to - Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Messenger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2004 Hi Andrew > As a rule I wouldn’t expect vegans to be capable of cooking/living with/sharing a fridge with people who eat meat. This is something I think I would also have trouble with. It's probably the main reason I live on my own, rather than in shared accomodation, but I know several vegans who seem to have worked things out OK... I guess it takes all sorts :-) BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2004 I am a complete bastard. But hey – I’ve turned two ex-girlfriends vegan and enlightened the views of many. Let’s turn the equasion around for a moment. ‘You were born vegan – argued your way through school vegan – started your jobs and argued there about being vegan – and all the time the main body of people in the UK still eat meat and consider it normal when all the evidence is to the contary. And then the vegans you do know/meet want you to have sympathy for meat eaters’ That’s my world. I am the nemisis of those people who are ‘really into their meat’. I say to then good. You have Bowel cancer to look forward to. I’ll not be visiting you in hospital. Andrew Barnes Peter [metalscarab] 14 December 2004 21:35 Re: vegan families Hi Andrew > As a rule I wouldn’t expect vegans to be capable of cooking/living with/sharing a fridge with people who eat meat. This is something I think I would also have trouble with. It's probably the main reason I live on my own, rather than in shared accomodation, but I know several vegans who seem to have worked things out OK... I guess it takes all sorts :-) BB Peter To send an email to - ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately. ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2004 >In the same way that people happily buy products at GAP and at ADIDAS etc until they are told about the horrible regimes that >exist to make those clothes and then they shop elsewhere Unfortunately most people I know who aren't vegans find out about Gap, Nike and Adidas, and shrug and buy their products. Jo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2004 I personally would not like to call the rest of the world stupid - it seems a little arrogant, and people will obviously take it personally. Hopefully the conversation will stay polite. BB Jo > Sorry if I am abrupt and argumentative - growing up in a basically > stupid world really gets my goat and I shout loudly - please don't take > it personally - I don't know you and am just calling shots on what's > written in emails (all info we have to go on anyway). > > > > regards > Andrew Barnes > ________________________________ > > victoria leggett [tipples78] > 14 December 2004 19:55 > > Re: vegan families > > > > what about my partner who is too an adult? or should i just ask him to > leave?? > > Anna Blaine <anna333@e...> wrote: > > I think the grownup who's doing the cooking should get to decide how the > family eats. That's the adult's job - to make sure their children are > eating properly. > > > > -Anna > > > > > > - > > Peter <metalscarab@b...> > > > > 12/13/2004 5:35:35 PM > > Re: vegan families > > > > Hi Victoria > > > > > exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for themselves! > i will cook what they want untill the time they leave home, > > > whatever it may be! > > > > What if they wanted you to cook human flesh? Or, how about dog > or cat? > > > > As a question for anyone who feels so inclined to answer... what > would people consider to be the ethical boundary they would not cross > when it comes to feeding their children? > > > > For me, it would be that I would not prepare a non-vegan meal > for anyone. If people want to eat meat / dairy, I would have no > inclination to prevent them from doing so, but I would not provide it > for them. > > > > BB > > Peter > > > > To send an email to > - > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > ________________________________ > > Win a castle > <http://uk.rd./evt=28672/*http:/www..co.uk/popularity> > for NYE with your mates and Messenger > > To send an email to - > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2004 Any lifestyle can be difficult without support. Maybe your son will eventually become vegan - from my experience it is very difficult if not impossible to get kids to change their eating habits - they only do it when they want to. BB Jo , victoria leggett <tipples78> wrote: > well i do try my best, its not easy when i am the only vegan i know! dont get too much support from anyone, so please go easy on me! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2004 i guess that depends a lot on their surroundings (not necessarily home life by the way) heartwerk Dec 14, 2004 3:20 PM Re: vegan families Any lifestyle can be difficult without support. Maybe your son will eventually become vegan - from my experience it is very difficult if not impossible to get kids to change their eating habits - they only do it when they want to.BBJo , victoria leggett <tipples78> wrote:> well i do try my best, its not easy when i am the only vegan i know! dont get too much support from anyone, so please go easy on me!To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2004 If he doesn't like what you're cooking, he can prepare his own food. Love, Anna - victoria leggett 12/14/2004 12:54:30 PM Re: vegan families what about my partner who is too an adult? or should i just ask him to leave??Anna Blaine <anna333 wrote: I think the grownup who's doing the cooking should get to decide how the family eats. That's the adult's job - to make sure their children are eating properly. -Anna - Peter 12/13/2004 5:35:35 PM Re: vegan families Hi Victoria > exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for themselves! i will cook what they want untill the time they leave home, > whatever it may be! What if they wanted you to cook human flesh? Or, how about dog or cat? As a question for anyone who feels so inclined to answer... what would people consider to be the ethical boundary they would not cross when it comes to feeding their children? For me, it would be that I would not prepare a non-vegan meal for anyone. If people want to eat meat / dairy, I would have no inclination to prevent them from doing so, but I would not provide it for them. BB PeterTo send an email to - To send an email to - Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Messenger To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2004 I once got unsubsribed from a group for calling Americans geographically illiterate. I still say I was right. Love, Anna > [Original Message] > heartwerk <Heartwork > > 12/14/2004 4:19:32 PM > Re: vegan families > > > > I personally would not like to call the rest of the world stupid - it > seems a little arrogant, and people will obviously take it personally. > > Hopefully the conversation will stay polite. > > BB > Jo > > > > Sorry if I am abrupt and argumentative - growing up in a basically > > stupid world really gets my goat and I shout loudly - please don't > take > > it personally - I don't know you and am just calling shots on what's > > written in emails (all info we have to go on anyway). > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Barnes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > victoria leggett [tipples78] > > 14 December 2004 19:55 > > > > Re: vegan families > > > > > > > > what about my partner who is too an adult? or should i just ask him > to > > leave?? > > > > Anna Blaine <anna333@e...> wrote: > > > > I think the grownup who's doing the cooking should get to decide > how the > > family eats. That's the adult's job - to make sure their children > are > > eating properly. > > > > > > > > -Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Peter <metalscarab@b...> > > > > > > > > 12/13/2004 5:35:35 PM > > > > Re: vegan families > > > > > > > > Hi Victoria > > > > > > > > > exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for > themselves! > > i will cook what they want untill the time they leave home, > > > > > whatever it may be! > > > > > > > > What if they wanted you to cook human flesh? Or, how about dog > > or cat? > > > > > > > > As a question for anyone who feels so inclined to answer... > what > > would people consider to be the ethical boundary they would not > cross > > when it comes to feeding their children? > > > > > > > > For me, it would be that I would not prepare a non-vegan meal > > for anyone. If people want to eat meat / dairy, I would have no > > inclination to prevent them from doing so, but I would not provide > it > > for them. > > > > > > > > BB > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > To send an email to > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Win a castle > > <http://uk.rd./evt=28672/*http:/www..co.uk/popularity> > > for NYE with your mates and Messenger > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2004 hey..if it happens anywhere besides here, we don't care heck..if it happens here and its not michael jackson er the peterson case we don't care either... sorry to the rest of my fellow colonists on this page, but i doubt most folks here could name their state capitol(i'm using the general sense of here , not vegan chat here...)om: Anna Blaine Dec 14, 2004 4:17 PM RE: Re: vegan families I once got unsubsribed from a group for calling Americans geographicallyilliterate. I still say I was right.Love,Anna> [Original Message]> heartwerk <Heartwork> > 12/14/2004 4:19:32 PM> Re: vegan families>>>> I personally would not like to call the rest of the world stupid - it > seems a little arrogant, and people will obviously take it personally.>> Hopefully the conversation will stay polite.>> BB> Jo>>> > Sorry if I am abrupt and argumentative - growing up in a basically> > stupid world really gets my goat and I shout loudly - please don't > take> > it personally - I don't know you and am just calling shots on what's> > written in emails (all info we have to go on anyway).> > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Barnes> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > victoria leggett [tipples78] > > 14 December 2004 19:55> > > > Re: vegan families> > > > > > > > what about my partner who is too an adult? or should i just ask him > to> > leave??> > > > Anna Blaine <anna333@e...> wrote: > > > > I think the grownup who's doing the cooking should get to decide > how the> > family eats. That's the adult's job - to make sure their children > are> > eating properly.> > > > > > > > -Anna> > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Peter <metalscarab@b...> > > > > > > > > 12/13/2004 5:35:35 PM > > > > Re: vegan families> > > > > > > > Hi Victoria> > > > > > > > > exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for > themselves!> > i will cook what they want untill the time they leave home,> > > > > whatever it may be!> > > > > > > > What if they wanted you to cook human flesh? Or, how about dog> > or cat?> > > > > > > > As a question for anyone who feels so inclined to answer... > what> > would people consider to be the ethical boundary they would not > cross> > when it comes to feeding their children?> > > > > > > > For me, it would be that I would not prepare a non-vegan meal> > for anyone. If people want to eat meat / dairy, I would have no> > inclination to prevent them from doing so, but I would not provide > it> > for them.> > > > > > > > BB> > > > Peter> > > > > > > > To send an email to> > - > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to -> > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > Win a castle> > <http://uk.rd./evt=28672/*http:/www..co.uk/popularity>> > for NYE with your mates and Messenger > > > > To send an email to -> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2004 this is so true. people dont want to belive in the suffering, so dont listern or take any action. they are cowards!Jo bb <Heartwork wrote: >In the same way that people happily buy products at GAP and at ADIDAS etc until they are told about the horrible regimes that >exist to make those clothes and then they shop elsewhere Unfortunately most people I know who aren't vegans find out about Gap, Nike and Adidas, and shrug and buy their products. JoTo send an email to - Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Messenger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2004 I think most people don't actually care! They believe it goes on, but as long as it doesn't affect them personally they will buy that pair of trainers that they 'just couldn't live without'. Jo , victoria leggett <tipples78> wrote: > this is so true. people dont want to belive in the suffering, so dont listern or take any action. they are cowards! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2004 After reading about this subject I figured maybe I should place my two senses on the whole ordeal. Like most people in this group I was grown up to eat meat and in most cases was told even through the school system that meat should be a part of every meal because after all, " it is healthy " . When I was a teenager I was a little bit more well read and decided to not eat meat anymore. I took what I knew and advocated about the many eating alternatives out there and successfully through the support of my many classmates, added vegetarian and even vegan choices to the school lunch menu. During my dating years, I prefered a vegetarian or a vegan but later found that it was hard to put that kind of expectation on a guy who may really want to genuinely know me but just so happened to eat meat. Just this past summer, after finding out that dairy products were doing serious damage to my body and immune system I went vegan and since then never turned back. But my fiance, however, is Ukrainain and was raised for 10 years in England. Both countries use meat and dairy as a huge staple. Currently, if you look in my fridge it looks like a confused person does our grocery shopping. I try to cook vegan meals that both him and I enjoy but its rare that he keeps it vegan, usually he will top anything with sour cream (the Ukrainian side) or even I will find him heating up some bangers (the English side) as a main dish. This at times make our lives tough when it comes to food (I even make him brush his teeth after he eats anything non vegan... I know it sounds stupid but the smell of it disgusts me)but then I have to realize that food is not a huge part of our relationship and this is just a small imperfection in the relationship. My cousin, who also happens to be vegan, said it best when she said " What matters more to you??? A guy who is always cheating on you or a guy who eats meat??? " Sure I would love to have the vision that I will marry this man and we can be this wonderful, happy, vegan family but I know that you cannot have it all in this life regardless of what you do. The only thing I can do is teach my future children about healthy eating options and hope that they make the right choices and in turn maybe pass that wisdom on. Sorry about the rambling but thanks to all that took the time to read it!!! ___________________ ___ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2004 hey..thanx fer yer input Robin!!! and, i totally understand the brushin the teeth thing! Robin Dec 15, 2004 6:49 AM Re: vegan families After reading about this subject I figured maybe I should place my two senses on the whole ordeal.Like most people in this group I was grown up to eat meat and in most cases was told even through the school system that meat should be a part of every meal because after all, "it is healthy". When I was a teenager I was a little bit more well read and decided to not eat meat anymore. I took what I knew and advocated about the many eating alternatives out there and successfully through the support of my many classmates, added vegetarian and even vegan choices to the school lunch menu. During my dating years, I prefered a vegetarian or a vegan but later found that it was hard to put that kind of expectation on a guy who may really want to genuinely know me but just so happened to eat meat. Just this past summer, after finding out that dairy products were doing serious damage to my body and immune system I went vegan and since then never turned back. But my fiance, however, is Ukrainain and was raised for 10 years in England. Both countries use meat and dairy as a huge staple. Currently, if you look in my fridge it looks like a confused person does our grocery shopping. I try to cook vegan meals that both him and I enjoy but its rare that he keeps it vegan, usually he will top anything with sour cream (the Ukrainian side) or even I will find him heating up some bangers (the English side) as a main dish. This at times make our lives tough when it comes to food (I even make him brush his teeth after he eats anything non vegan... I know it sounds stupid but the smell of it disgusts me)but then I have to realize that food is not a huge part of our relationship and this is just a small imperfection in the relationship. My cousin, who also happens to be vegan, said it best when she said "What matters more to you??? A guy who is always cheating on you or a guy who eats meat???" Sure I would love to have the vision that I will marry this man and we can be this wonderful, happy, vegan family but I know that you cannot have it all in this life regardless of what you do. The only thing I can do is teach my future children about healthy eating options and hope that they make the right choices and in turn maybe pass that wisdom on.Sorry about the rambling but thanks to all that took the time to read it!!!______________________To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2004 I completely agree. I saw a disturbing news blurb on a National Geographic special some years ago showing that a very large % of junior high and high school students couldn't find the US on a world map. Sara : > I once got unsubsribed from a group for calling Americans geographically > illiterate. I still say I was right. > > Love, > Anna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2004 you didnt ramble at all! i think what you said summed up what i was trying to say. thanks for also having a meat eating partner!fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: hey..thanx fer yer input Robin!!! and, i totally understand the brushin the teeth thing! Robin Dec 15, 2004 6:49 AM Re: vegan families After reading about this subject I figured maybe I should place my two senses on the whole ordeal.Like most people in this group I was grown up to eat meat and in most cases was told even through the school system that meat should be a part of every meal because after all, "it is healthy". When I was a teenager I was a little bit more well read and decided to not eat meat anymore. I took what I knew and advocated about the many eating alternatives out there and successfully through the support of my many classmates, added vegetarian and even vegan choices to the school lunch menu. During my dating years, I prefered a vegetarian or a vegan but later found that it was hard to put that kind of expectation on a guy who may really want to genuinely know me but just so happened to eat meat. Just this past summer, after finding out that dairy products were doing serious damage to my body and immune system I went vegan and since then never turned back. But my fiance, however, is Ukrainain and was raised for 10 years in England. Both countries use meat and dairy as a huge staple. Currently, if you look in my fridge it looks like a confused person does our grocery shopping. I try to cook vegan meals that both him and I enjoy but its rare that he keeps it vegan, usually he will top anything with sour cream (the Ukrainian side) or even I will find him heating up some bangers (the English side) as a main dish. This at times make our lives tough when it comes to food (I even make him brush his teeth after he eats anything non vegan... I know it sounds stupid but the smell of it disgusts me)but then I have to realize that food is not a huge part of our relationship and this is just a small imperfection in the relationship. My cousin, who also happens to be vegan, said it best when she said "What matters more to you??? A guy who is always cheating on you or a guy who eats meat???" Sure I would love to have the vision that I will marry this man and we can be this wonderful, happy, vegan family but I know that you cannot have it all in this life regardless of what you do. The only thing I can do is teach my future children about healthy eating options and hope that they make the right choices and in turn maybe pass that wisdom on.Sorry about the rambling but thanks to all that took the time to read it!!!______________________To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2004 Hi Robin I don't think you were rambling at all. It's good to have new input. Jo , " Robin " <your_blonde_vegan> wrote: > > After reading about this subject I figured maybe I should place my > two senses on the whole ordeal. > > Like most people in this group I was grown up to eat meat and in > most cases was told even through the school system that meat should > be a part of every meal because after all, " it is healthy " . When I > was a teenager I was a little bit more well read and decided to not > eat meat anymore. I took what I knew and advocated about the many > eating alternatives out there and successfully through the support > of my many classmates, added vegetarian and even vegan choices to > the school lunch menu. During my dating years, I prefered a > vegetarian or a vegan but later found that it was hard to put that > kind of expectation on a guy who may really want to genuinely know > me but just so happened to eat meat. > > > Just this past summer, after finding out that dairy products were > doing serious damage to my body and immune system I went vegan and > since then never turned back. But my fiance, however, is Ukrainain > and was raised for 10 years in England. Both countries use meat and > dairy as a huge staple. Currently, if you look in my fridge it > looks like a confused person does our grocery shopping. I try to > cook vegan meals that both him and I enjoy but its rare that he > keeps it vegan, usually he will top anything with sour cream (the > Ukrainian side) or even I will find him heating up some bangers (the > English side) as a main dish. This at times make our lives tough > when it comes to food (I even make him brush his teeth after he eats > anything non vegan... I know it sounds stupid but the smell of it > disgusts me)but then I have to realize that food is not a huge part > of our relationship and this is just a small imperfection in the > relationship. My cousin, who also happens to be vegan, said it best > when she said " What matters more to you??? A guy who is always > cheating on you or a guy who eats meat??? " > > > Sure I would love to have the vision that I will marry this man and > we can be this wonderful, happy, vegan family but I know that you > cannot have it all in this life regardless of what you do. The only > thing I can do is teach my future children about healthy eating > options and hope that they make the right choices and in turn maybe > pass that wisdom on. > > > Sorry about the rambling but thanks to all that took the time to > read it!!! > > > > > > > ___________________ > ___ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 18, 2004 Boy life seems black and white to you doesnt it? You wouldnt live with anyone who wasnt a vegan? Tolerance not your middle name then , is it? As a rule I wouldn’t expect vegans to be capable of cooking/living with/sharing a fridge with people who eat meat. It is akin to a bible basher living with a Satanist. You wouldnt expect it? very self opinionated arent you? Whilst I agree that we are talking a belief system here we are not talking religion , or are we?. Sorry to burst your bubble , but unless you live in a high density population area, you are very likely to be the only vegan around, and therefore either share with someone with different beleifs/religion ...or be very alone. Are you the vegan police or something, does it make you a better vegan to be less tolrant of other peoples beliefs? I have been a vegan for over 20 years, and for all my life shared a home with non vegans, does this make me less of a person because of it? Peace , Love and understanding to all, The Valley Vegan..... If he eats meat – yes – boot him out (Being flippant) Generally if one is vegan it is not because one ‘want’ to be, rather - ‘forced’ to be because of what you know. In the same way that people happily buy products at GAP and at ADIDAS etc until they are told about the horrible regimes that exist to make those clothes and then they shop elsewhere. I am a life vegan – 24 years and I wouldn’t live with anyone else who wasn’t. I suppose if you have only started the move to vegaism recently it’s different (never done it). As a rule I wouldn’t expect vegans to be capable of cooking/living with/sharing a fridge with people who eat meat. It is akin to a bible basher living with a Satanist. Sorry if I am abrupt and argumentative – growing up in a basically stupid world really gets my goat and I shout loudly – please don’t take it personally – I don’t know you and am just calling shots on what’s written in emails (all info we have to go on anyway). regards Andrew Barnes victoria leggett [tipples78] 14 December 2004 19:55 Subject: Re: vegan families what about my partner who is too an adult? or should i just ask him to leave??Anna Blaine <anna333 wrote: I think the grownup who's doing the cooking should get to decide how the family eats. That's the adult's job - to make sure their children are eating properly. -Anna - Peter 12/13/2004 5:35:35 PM Re: vegan families Hi Victoria > exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for themselves! i will cook what they want untill the time they leave home, > whatever it may be! What if they wanted you to cook human flesh? Or, how about dog or cat? As a question for anyone who feels so inclined to answer... what would people consider to be the ethical boundary they would not cross when it comes to feeding their children? For me, it would be that I would not prepare a non-vegan meal for anyone. If people want to eat meat / dairy, I would have no inclination to prevent them from doing so, but I would not provide it for them. BB Peter To send an email to - To send an email to - Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Messenger To send an email to - ______________________This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. Theservice is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactiveanti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit:http://www.star.net.uk______________________ This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately.______________________This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. Theservice is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactiveanti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit:http://www.star.net.uk______________________To send an email to - Peter H Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Messenger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 18, 2004 I too understand the tooth brushing....fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: hey..thanx fer yer input Robin!!! and, i totally understand the brushin the teeth thing! Robin Dec 15, 2004 6:49 AM Re: vegan families After reading about this subject I figured maybe I should place my two senses on the whole ordeal.Like most people in this group I was grown up to eat meat and in most cases was told even through the school system that meat should be a part of every meal because after all, "it is healthy". When I was a teenager I was a little bit more well read and decided to not eat meat anymore. I took what I knew and advocated about the many eating alternatives out there and successfully through the support of my many classmates, added vegetarian and even vegan choices to the school lunch menu. During my dating years, I prefered a vegetarian or a vegan but later found that it was hard to put that kind of expectation on a guy who may really want to genuinely know me but just so happened to eat meat. Just this past summer, after finding out that dairy products were doing serious damage to my body and immune system I went vegan and since then never turned back. But my fiance, however, is Ukrainain and was raised for 10 years in England. Both countries use meat and dairy as a huge staple. Currently, if you look in my fridge it looks like a confused person does our grocery shopping. I try to cook vegan meals that both him and I enjoy but its rare that he keeps it vegan, usually he will top anything with sour cream (the Ukrainian side) or even I will find him heating up some bangers (the English side) as a main dish. This at times make our lives tough when it comes to food (I even make him brush his teeth after he eats anything non vegan... I know it sounds stupid but the smell of it disgusts me)but then I have to realize that food is not a huge part of our relationship and this is just a small imperfection in the relationship. My cousin, who also happens to be vegan, said it best when she said "What matters more to you??? A guy who is always cheating on you or a guy who eats meat???" Sure I would love to have the vision that I will marry this man and we can be this wonderful, happy, vegan family but I know that you cannot have it all in this life regardless of what you do. The only thing I can do is teach my future children about healthy eating options and hope that they make the right choices and in turn maybe pass that wisdom on.Sorry about the rambling but thanks to all that took the time to read it!!!______________________To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 18, 2004 hi everyone, i have been working too hard but now am off to get my blood pressure down prior to operation next week.... about the vegan partner thing.....a guide might be does the meat eating partner have a flexible attitude, ie or does their long term plan include having the vegan cook them meat for a lifetime? i hear what everyoneis saying, but i dont know if i could open my fridge and see meat there again.....it makes me feel sick......so the only answer is not to live together!!........or for me, have a vegan or veggie partner, but, to each their own, catherine pengam pagan princess x >peter hurd <swpgh01 > > >Re: Re: vegan families >Sat, 18 Dec 2004 15:56:04 +0000 (GMT) > >I too understand the tooth brushing.... > >fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:hey..thanx fer yer input Robin!!! > >and, i totally understand the brushin the teeth thing! > > > >Robin >Dec 15, 2004 6:49 AM > > Re: vegan families > > >After reading about this subject I figured maybe I should place my >two senses on the whole ordeal. > >Like most people in this group I was grown up to eat meat and in >most cases was told even through the school system that meat should >be a part of every meal because after all, " it is healthy " . When I >was a teenager I was a little bit more well read and decided to not >eat meat anymore. I took what I knew and advocated about the many >eating alternatives out there and successfully through the support >of my many classmates, added vegetarian and even vegan choices to >the school lunch menu. During my dating years, I prefered a >vegetarian or a vegan but later found that it was hard to put that >kind of expectation on a guy who may really want to genuinely know >me but just so happened to eat meat. > > >Just this past summer, after finding out that dairy products were >doing serious damage to my body and immune system I went vegan and >since then never turned back. But my fiance, however, is Ukrainain >and was raised for 10 years in England. Both countries use meat and >dairy as a huge staple. Currently, if you look in my fridge it >looks like a confused person does our grocery shopping. I try to >cook vegan meals that both him and I enjoy but its rare that he >keeps it vegan, usually he will top anything with sour cream (the >Ukrainian side) or even I will find him heating up some bangers (the >English side) as a main dish. This at times make our lives tough >when it comes to food (I even make him brush his teeth after he eats >anything non vegan... I know it sounds stupid but the smell of it >disgusts me)but then I have to realize that food is not a huge part >of our relationship and this is just a small imperfection in the >relationship. My cousin, who also happens to be vegan, said it best >when she said " What matters more to you??? A guy who is always >cheating on you or a guy who eats meat??? " > > >Sure I would love to have the vision that I will marry this man and >we can be this wonderful, happy, vegan family but I know that you >cannot have it all in this life regardless of what you do. The only >thing I can do is teach my future children about healthy eating >options and hope that they make the right choices and in turn maybe >pass that wisdom on. > > >Sorry about the rambling but thanks to all that took the time to >read it!!! > > > > > > >___________________ >___ > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 18, 2004 Hi Catherine When are you going to hospital? BB Jo > hi everyone, > > i have been working too hard but now am off to get my blood pressure down > prior to operation next week.... > > about the vegan partner thing.....a guide might be does the meat eating > partner have a flexible attitude, ie or does their long term plan include > having the vegan cook them meat for a lifetime? > > i hear what everyoneis saying, but i dont know if i could open my fridge and > see meat there again.....it makes me feel sick......so the only answer is > not to live together!!........or for me, have a vegan or veggie partner, > > but, to each their own, > > catherine > > pengam pagan princess x > > >peter hurd <swpgh01 > > > > > >Re: Re: vegan families > >Sat, 18 Dec 2004 15:56:04 +0000 (GMT) > > > >I too understand the tooth brushing.... > > > >fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:hey..thanx fer yer input Robin!!! > > > >and, i totally understand the brushin the teeth thing! > > > > > > > >Robin > >Dec 15, 2004 6:49 AM > > > > Re: vegan families > > > > > >After reading about this subject I figured maybe I should place my > >two senses on the whole ordeal. > > > >Like most people in this group I was grown up to eat meat and in > >most cases was told even through the school system that meat should > >be a part of every meal because after all, " it is healthy " . When I > >was a teenager I was a little bit more well read and decided to not > >eat meat anymore. I took what I knew and advocated about the many > >eating alternatives out there and successfully through the support > >of my many classmates, added vegetarian and even vegan choices to > >the school lunch menu. During my dating years, I prefered a > >vegetarian or a vegan but later found that it was hard to put that > >kind of expectation on a guy who may really want to genuinely know > >me but just so happened to eat meat. > > > > > >Just this past summer, after finding out that dairy products were > >doing serious damage to my body and immune system I went vegan and > >since then never turned back. But my fiance, however, is Ukrainain > >and was raised for 10 years in England. Both countries use meat and > >dairy as a huge staple. Currently, if you look in my fridge it > >looks like a confused person does our grocery shopping. I try to > >cook vegan meals that both him and I enjoy but its rare that he > >keeps it vegan, usually he will top anything with sour cream (the > >Ukrainian side) or even I will find him heating up some bangers (the > >English side) as a main dish. This at times make our lives tough > >when it comes to food (I even make him brush his teeth after he eats > >anything non vegan... I know it sounds stupid but the smell of it > >disgusts me)but then I have to realize that food is not a huge part > >of our relationship and this is just a small imperfection in the > >relationship. My cousin, who also happens to be vegan, said it best > >when she said " What matters more to you??? A guy who is always > >cheating on you or a guy who eats meat??? " > > > > > >Sure I would love to have the vision that I will marry this man and > >we can be this wonderful, happy, vegan family but I know that you > >cannot have it all in this life regardless of what you do. The only > >thing I can do is teach my future children about healthy eating > >options and hope that they make the right choices and in turn maybe > >pass that wisdom on. > > > > > >Sorry about the rambling but thanks to all that took the time to > >read it!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________ > >___ > > > > > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 18, 2004 I thought I'd chime in here on vegan families (as well as in response to Vijay's comment on people not posting ;-)). My family became vegetarian a few years ago. I'd never really cared for meat and one night when I was cooking I said to my family - " I would like for us to be vegetarian. I promise I will cook you good food and you won't be deprived. You can order whatever you want in restaurants but at home no meat. Please go along with me on this " and so they did. My older daughter (now 15) really likes meat (well, chicken) and will still order it occasionally. Earlier this year my younger daughter (13) declared she wanted to become vegan. That is when I joined this list. I felt as though I had to support her 100% (down to FedEx-ing her some more rice milk at camp when she ran out)- how could I say we should be vegetarian but you can't take it any further than that? Everyone told me " it's a phase, she'll never make it " etc. We eat primarly vegan meals now as a family. I feel the need to still consider my older daughter's feelings however. I think a consistent and gentle exposure to the ideals of veganism will be the most effective. That is what I'm choosing for my family. I probably use more meat substitutes than I would choose for myself because it allows me to make some meals that my older daughter really craves. I've pretty much managed to come up with recipes that mimic everything I've ever cooked. I realize for some people it may be more black and white but this approach is working for my family. nancy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 18, 2004 Hi Nancy I think you are managing feeding your family very well. I'm sure it will work out well. Jo > > I thought I'd chime in here on vegan families (as well as in > response to Vijay's comment on people not posting ;-)). > > My family became vegetarian a few years ago. I'd never really cared > for meat and one night when I was cooking I said to my family - " I > would like for us to be vegetarian. I promise I will cook you good > food and you won't be deprived. You can order whatever you want in > restaurants but at home no meat. Please go along with me on this " > and so they did. My older daughter (now 15) really likes meat > (well, chicken) and will still order it occasionally. > > Earlier this year my younger daughter (13) declared she wanted to > become vegan. That is when I joined this list. I felt as though I > had to support her 100% (down to FedEx-ing her some more rice milk > at camp when she ran out)- how could I say we should be vegetarian > but you can't take it any further than that? Everyone told me " it's > a phase, she'll never make it " etc. We eat primarly vegan meals now > as a family. I feel the need to still consider my older daughter's > feelings however. I think a consistent and gentle exposure to the > ideals of veganism will be the most effective. That is what I'm > choosing for my family. > > I probably use more meat substitutes than I would choose for myself > because it allows me to make some meals that my older daughter > really craves. I've pretty much managed to come up with recipes > that mimic everything I've ever cooked. > > I realize for some people it may be more black and white but this > approach is working for my family. > > nancy To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2004 hi jo i am going in to hospital on tuesday, op on wednesday. catherine > " Jo bb " <Heartwork > > >Re: Re: vegan families >Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:26:13 -0000 > >Hi Catherine > >When are you going to hospital? > >BB >Jo > > hi everyone, > > > > i have been working too hard but now am off to get my blood pressure >down > > prior to operation next week.... > > > > about the vegan partner thing.....a guide might be does the meat eating > > partner have a flexible attitude, ie or does their long term plan >include > > having the vegan cook them meat for a lifetime? > > > > i hear what everyoneis saying, but i dont know if i could open my fridge >and > > see meat there again.....it makes me feel sick......so the only answer >is > > not to live together!!........or for me, have a vegan or veggie partner, > > > > but, to each their own, > > > > catherine > > > > pengam pagan princess x > > > > >peter hurd <swpgh01 > > > > > > > > >Re: Re: vegan families > > >Sat, 18 Dec 2004 15:56:04 +0000 (GMT) > > > > > >I too understand the tooth brushing.... > > > > > >fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:hey..thanx fer yer input >Robin!!! > > > > > >and, i totally understand the brushin the teeth thing! > > > > > > > > > > > >Robin > > >Dec 15, 2004 6:49 AM > > > > > > Re: vegan families > > > > > > > > >After reading about this subject I figured maybe I should place my > > >two senses on the whole ordeal. > > > > > >Like most people in this group I was grown up to eat meat and in > > >most cases was told even through the school system that meat should > > >be a part of every meal because after all, " it is healthy " . When I > > >was a teenager I was a little bit more well read and decided to not > > >eat meat anymore. I took what I knew and advocated about the many > > >eating alternatives out there and successfully through the support > > >of my many classmates, added vegetarian and even vegan choices to > > >the school lunch menu. During my dating years, I prefered a > > >vegetarian or a vegan but later found that it was hard to put that > > >kind of expectation on a guy who may really want to genuinely know > > >me but just so happened to eat meat. > > > > > > > > >Just this past summer, after finding out that dairy products were > > >doing serious damage to my body and immune system I went vegan and > > >since then never turned back. But my fiance, however, is Ukrainain > > >and was raised for 10 years in England. Both countries use meat and > > >dairy as a huge staple. Currently, if you look in my fridge it > > >looks like a confused person does our grocery shopping. I try to > > >cook vegan meals that both him and I enjoy but its rare that he > > >keeps it vegan, usually he will top anything with sour cream (the > > >Ukrainian side) or even I will find him heating up some bangers (the > > >English side) as a main dish. This at times make our lives tough > > >when it comes to food (I even make him brush his teeth after he eats > > >anything non vegan... I know it sounds stupid but the smell of it > > >disgusts me)but then I have to realize that food is not a huge part > > >of our relationship and this is just a small imperfection in the > > >relationship. My cousin, who also happens to be vegan, said it best > > >when she said " What matters more to you??? A guy who is always > > >cheating on you or a guy who eats meat??? " > > > > > > > > >Sure I would love to have the vision that I will marry this man and > > >we can be this wonderful, happy, vegan family but I know that you > > >cannot have it all in this life regardless of what you do. The only > > >thing I can do is teach my future children about healthy eating > > >options and hope that they make the right choices and in turn maybe > > >pass that wisdom on. > > > > > > > > >Sorry about the rambling but thanks to all that took the time to > > >read it!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________ > > >___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 19, 2004 wow some judgemental stuff here boy!! i have many friends of vegan veggie and meat eater life choices......i choose not to open my fridge and have meat products staring out at me.......its my home my choice!!! what any one else does is their business!! catherine >peter hurd <swpgh01 > > >RE: vegan families >Sat, 18 Dec 2004 15:47:44 +0000 (GMT) > >Boy life seems black and white to you doesnt it? >You wouldnt live with anyone who wasnt a vegan? >Tolerance not your middle name then , is it? > > >As a rule I wouldn’t expect vegans to be capable of cooking/living >with/sharing a fridge with people who eat meat. > >It is akin to a bible basher living with a Satanist. > >You wouldnt expect it? very self opinionated arent you? > >Whilst I agree that we are talking a belief system here we are not talking >religion , or are we?. > >Sorry to burst your bubble , but unless you live in a high density >population area, you are very likely to be the only vegan around, and >therefore either share with someone with different beleifs/religion ...or >be very alone. > >Are you the vegan police or something, does it make you a better vegan to >be less tolrant of other peoples beliefs? > >I have been a vegan for over 20 years, and for all my life shared a home >with non vegans, does this make me less of a person because of it? > >Peace , Love and understanding to all, > >The Valley Vegan..... > > >v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* >{behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape >{behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) >}st2\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } >If he eats meat – yes – boot him out > > > >(Being flippant) > > > >Generally if one is vegan it is not because one ‘want’ to be, rather - >‘forced’ to be because of what you know. > > > >In the same way that people happily buy products at GAP and at ADIDAS etc >until they are told about the horrible regimes that exist to make those >clothes and then they shop elsewhere. > > > >I am a life vegan – 24 years and I wouldn’t live with anyone else who >wasn’t. I suppose if you have only started the move to vegaism recently >it’s different (never done it). > >As a rule I wouldn’t expect vegans to be capable of cooking/living >with/sharing a fridge with people who eat meat. > >It is akin to a bible basher living with a Satanist. > > > >Sorry if I am abrupt and argumentative – growing up in a basically stupid >world really gets my goat and I shout loudly – please don’t take it >personally – I don’t know you and am just calling shots on what’s written >in emails (all info we have to go on anyway). > > > >regards > > > > > > > >Andrew Barnes > > > > > > > > > > > >victoria leggett [tipples78] >14 December 2004 19:55 > >Re: vegan families > > > > >what about my partner who is too an adult? or should i just ask him to >leave?? > >Anna Blaine <anna333 wrote: > >I think the grownup who's doing the cooking should get to decide how the >family eats. That's the adult's job - to make sure their children are >eating properly. > > > > > >-Anna > > > > > > > > >- > > >Peter > > > > > >12/13/2004 5:35:35 PM > > >Re: vegan families > > > > > >Hi Victoria > > > > > > > exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for themselves! i will >cook what they want untill the time they leave home, > > > > whatever it may be! > > > > > >What if they wanted you to cook human flesh? Or, how about dog or cat? > > > > > >As a question for anyone who feels so inclined to answer... what would >people consider to be the ethical boundary they would not cross when it >comes to feeding their children? > > > > > >For me, it would be that I would not prepare a non-vegan meal for anyone. >If people want to eat meat / dairy, I would have no inclination to prevent >them from doing so, but I would not provide it for them. > > > > > >BB > > >Peter > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > > > > >Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Messenger > >To send an email to - > > > > >______________________ >This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The >service is powered by MessageLabs. 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