Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Your partner is an adult and you cannot make choices for him (though what century do you live in – cook for???) You are doing your son a disservice in forcing him to eat meat. One day it will be looked upon as bad parenting as you are making him eat food that is bad for him. Rethink it – if it is bad for you why are you giving your kid it – would you give him booze and fags??? Andrew Barnes Account Manager FDM Group Lanchester House - Trafalgar Place - Brighton - BN1 4FL Tel: +44 (0)870 060 3100 - Fax: +44 (0)870 060 3101 - Mob: +44 (0)7970 075 905 andrew.barnes www.fdmgroup.com victoria leggett [tipples78] 12 December 2004 10:24 Re: Your Opinion: China Vegetarianism. i try telling my partner that we were herbivores first but he is having none of it, he is 100% carnivore! i do cook meat for my partner and son. does anyone else cook meat or are you all against cooking it? This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately. ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Just a small question, something I wonder about - you say cook for??? as though it is a strange thing to do. Surely it would be silly to have two people living together cooking separately - what a waste of time. What cooking arrangements do other people have? and if you do not cook for your partners, or they cook for you, do you make the kids cook their own food? Jo Your partner is an adult and you cannot make choices for him (though what century do you live in – cook for???) You are doing your son a disservice in forcing him to eat meat. One day it will be looked upon as bad parenting as you are making him eat food that is bad for him. Rethink it – if it is bad for you why are you giving your kid it – would you give him booze and fags??? Andrew BarnesAccount Manager FDM GroupLanchester House - Trafalgar Place - Brighton - BN1 4FLTel: +44 (0)870 060 3100 - Fax: +44 (0)870 060 3101 - Mob: +44 (0)7970 075 905andrew.barneswww.fdmgroup.com victoria leggett [tipples78] 12 December 2004 10:24 Subject: Re: Your Opinion: China Vegetarianism. i try telling my partner that we were herbivores first but he is having none of it, he is 100% carnivore! i do cook meat for my partner and son. does anyone else cook meat or are you all against cooking it?This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately.______________________This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. Theservice is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactiveanti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit:http://www.star.net.uk______________________To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for themselves! i will cook what they want untill the time they leave home, whatever it may be!Jo bb <Heartwork wrote: Just a small question, something I wonder about - you say cook for??? as though it is a strange thing to do. Surely it would be silly to have two people living together cooking separately - what a waste of time. What cooking arrangements do other people have? and if you do not cook for your partners, or they cook for you, do you make the kids cook their own food? Jo Your partner is an adult and you cannot make choices for him (though what century do you live in – cook for???) You are doing your son a disservice in forcing him to eat meat. One day it will be looked upon as bad parenting as you are making him eat food that is bad for him. Rethink it – if it is bad for you why are you giving your kid it – would you give him booze and fags??? Andrew BarnesAccount Manager FDM GroupLanchester House - Trafalgar Place - Brighton - BN1 4FLTel: +44 (0)870 060 3100 - Fax: +44 (0)870 060 3101 - Mob: +44 (0)7970 075 905andrew.barneswww.fdmgroup.com victoria leggett [tipples78] 12 December 2004 10:24 Subject: Re: Your Opinion: China Vegetarianism. i try telling my partner that we were herbivores first but he is having none of it, he is 100% carnivore! i do cook meat for my partner and son. does anyone else cook meat or are you all against cooking it?This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately.______________________This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. Theservice is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactiveanti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit:http://www.star.net.uk______________________To send an email to - To send an email to - ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 be nice kids.... everyone looks at things differently... we are all vegan fer different reasons and have different goals.. go slow pony boy Andrew Barnes Dec 13, 2004 1:39 PM vegan families Your partner is an adult and you cannot make choices for him (though what century do you live in – cook for???) You are doing your son a disservice in forcing him to eat meat. One day it will be looked upon as bad parenting as you are making him eat food that is bad for him. Rethink it – if it is bad for you why are you giving your kid it – would you give him booze and fags??? Andrew BarnesAccount Manager FDM GroupLanchester House - Trafalgar Place - Brighton - BN1 4FLTel: +44 (0)870 060 3100 - Fax: +44 (0)870 060 3101 - Mob: +44 (0)7970 075 905andrew.barneswww.fdmgroup.com victoria leggett [tipples78] 12 December 2004 10:24 Subject: Re: Your Opinion: China Vegetarianism. i try telling my partner that we were herbivores first but he is having none of it, he is 100% carnivore! i do cook meat for my partner and son. does anyone else cook meat or are you all against cooking it? This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately.______________________This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. Theservice is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactiveanti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit:http://www.star.net.uk______________________To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Hi Victoria > exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for themselves! i will cook what they want untill the time they leave home, > whatever it may be! What if they wanted you to cook human flesh? Or, how about dog or cat? As a question for anyone who feels so inclined to answer... what would people consider to be the ethical boundary they would not cross when it comes to feeding their children? For me, it would be that I would not prepare a non-vegan meal for anyone. If people want to eat meat / dairy, I would have no inclination to prevent them from doing so, but I would not provide it for them. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 sorta a moot point fer me now..as single but.. before sometimes i would cook sometimes my partner would cook sometimes we'd only cook fer ourselves... Jo bb Dec 13, 2004 2:11 PM Re: vegan families Just a small question, something I wonder about - you say cook for??? as though it is a strange thing to do. Surely it would be silly to have two people living together cooking separately - what a waste of time. What cooking arrangements do other people have? and if you do not cook for your partners, or they cook for you, do you make the kids cook their own food? Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 I think the grownup who's doing the cooking should get to decide how the family eats. That's the adult's job - to make sure their children are eating properly. -Anna - Peter 12/13/2004 5:35:35 PM Re: vegan families Hi Victoria > exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for themselves! i will cook what they want untill the time they leave home, > whatever it may be! What if they wanted you to cook human flesh? Or, how about dog or cat? As a question for anyone who feels so inclined to answer... what would people consider to be the ethical boundary they would not cross when it comes to feeding their children? For me, it would be that I would not prepare a non-vegan meal for anyone. If people want to eat meat / dairy, I would have no inclination to prevent them from doing so, but I would not provide it for them. BB PeterTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 As a parent, I would be doing my best to impart my knowledge upon my children. One of the things I happen to believe strongly in is veganism and I would teach them all I could about animal rights and why being vegan is the most immediate choice we can make to stop the suffering. I will have no non-vegan food in my house. If they decide they want to go to McDeath or some other such place, it is certainly their choice, but I hope the values I live and display would make my children not want to sponsor such a place (or any meat eating). We can only plant seeds, but we can plant the right ones and help our children grow to appreciate and value all living things. ~z - Peter Monday, December 13, 2004 6:32 PM Re: vegan families Hi Victoria > exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for themselves! i will cook what they want untill the time they leave home, > whatever it may be! What if they wanted you to cook human flesh? Or, how about dog or cat? As a question for anyone who feels so inclined to answer... what would people consider to be the ethical boundary they would not cross when it comes to feeding their children? For me, it would be that I would not prepare a non-vegan meal for anyone. If people want to eat meat / dairy, I would have no inclination to prevent them from doing so, but I would not provide it for them. BB PeterTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Of course your kids can cook – or do some of the work at that age – are you going to lay on a family spread until they are 18/21 and leave home? How archaic a view of ‘traditional’ mum will they then have? Andrew Barnes victoria leggett [tipples78] 13 December 2004 22:31 Re: vegan families exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for themselves! i will cook what they want untill the time they leave home, whatever it may be! Jo bb <Heartwork wrote: Just a small question, something I wonder about - you say cook for??? as though it is a strange thing to do. Surely it would be silly to have two people living together cooking separately - what a waste of time. What cooking arrangements do other people have? and if you do not cook for your partners, or they cook for you, do you make the kids cook their own food? Jo Your partner is an adult and you cannot make choices for him (though what century do you live in – cook for???) You are doing your son a disservice in forcing him to eat meat. One day it will be looked upon as bad parenting as you are making him eat food that is bad for him. Rethink it – if it is bad for you why are you giving your kid it – would you give him booze and fags??? Andrew Barnes Account Manager FDM Group Lanchester House - Trafalgar Place - Brighton - BN1 4FL Tel: +44 (0)870 060 3100 - Fax: +44 (0)870 060 3101 - Mob: +44 (0)7970 075 905 andrew.barnes www.fdmgroup.com victoria leggett [tipples78] 12 December 2004 10:24 Re: Your Opinion: China Vegetarianism. i try telling my partner that we were herbivores first but he is having none of it, he is 100% carnivore! i do cook meat for my partner and son. does anyone else cook meat or are you all against cooking it? This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately. ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ To send an email to - To send an email to - ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! To send an email to - ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately. ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Tend to cook together / swap the cooking arrangements Andrew Barnes Jo bb [Heartwork] 13 December 2004 22:11 Re: vegan families Just a small question, something I wonder about - you say cook for??? as though it is a strange thing to do. Surely it would be silly to have two people living together cooking separately - what a waste of time. What cooking arrangements do other people have? and if you do not cook for your partners, or they cook for you, do you make the kids cook their own food? Jo Your partner is an adult and you cannot make choices for him (though what century do you live in – cook for???) You are doing your son a disservice in forcing him to eat meat. One day it will be looked upon as bad parenting as you are making him eat food that is bad for him. Rethink it – if it is bad for you why are you giving your kid it – would you give him booze and fags??? Andrew Barnes Account Manager FDM Group Lanchester House - Trafalgar Place - Brighton - BN1 4FL Tel: +44 (0)870 060 3100 - Fax: +44 (0)870 060 3101 - Mob: +44 (0)7970 075 905 andrew.barnes www.fdmgroup.com victoria leggett [tipples78] 12 December 2004 10:24 Re: Your Opinion: China Vegetarianism. i try telling my partner that we were herbivores first but he is having none of it, he is 100% carnivore! i do cook meat for my partner and son. does anyone else cook meat or are you all against cooking it? This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately. ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ To send an email to - To send an email to - ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately. ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Victoria, I don’t get to read all the postings all the time – how long have you been vegan? thanks fraggle [EBbrewpunx] 14 December 2004 00:30 Re: vegan families be nice kids.... everyone looks at things differently... we are all vegan fer different reasons and have different goals.. go slow pony boy Andrew Barnes Dec 13, 2004 1:39 PM vegan families Your partner is an adult and you cannot make choices for him (though what century do you live in – cook for???) You are doing your son a disservice in forcing him to eat meat. One day it will be looked upon as bad parenting as you are making him eat food that is bad for him. Rethink it – if it is bad for you why are you giving your kid it – would you give him booze and fags??? This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately. ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 I'm not sure I understand why the mom cooking is such a problem for some of you. We really just have that once piece of information. How do we know her husband doesn't do the laundry or clean the house? I have to admit that my mom ended up doing everything: working full-time, all the cooking, all the cleaning, laundry. My dad cut the grass once every two weeks. Not exactly fair. But that was her choice. And you know what? I didn't turn out expecting that I should do the same. Laura On Dec 14, 2004, at 4:04 AM, Andrew Barnes wrote: > > > Of course your kids can cook – or do some of the work at that age – > are you going to lay on a family spread until they are 18/21 and leave > home? How archaic a view of ‘traditional’ mum will they then have? > > > > > > > > Andrew Barnes > > > > > > > victoria leggett [tipples78] > 13 December 2004 22:31 > > Re: vegan families > > > > exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for themselves! i will > cook what they want untill the time they leave home, whatever it may > be! > > Jo bb <Heartwork wrote: > > Just a small question, something I wonder about - you say cook for??? > as though it is a strange thing to do. Surely it would be silly to > have two people living together cooking separately - what a waste of > time. What cooking arrangements do other people have? and if you do > not cook for your partners, or they cook for you, do you make the kids > cook their own food? > > > > Jo > > Your partner is an adult and you cannot make choices for him (though > what century do you live in – cook for???) > > > > You are doing your son a disservice in forcing him to eat meat. One > day it will be looked upon as bad parenting as you are making him eat > food that is bad for him. > > > > Rethink it – if it is bad for you why are you giving your kid it – > would you give him booze and fags??? > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Barnes > Account Manager > > > FDM Group > Lanchester House - Trafalgar Place - Brighton - BN1 4FL > Tel: +44 (0)870 060 3100 - Fax: +44 (0)870 060 3101 - Mob: +44 > (0)7970 075 905 > andrew.barnes > www.fdmgroup.com > > > > > > > victoria leggett [tipples78] > 12 December 2004 10:24 > > Re: Your Opinion: China Vegetarianism. > > > > i try telling my partner that we were herbivores first but he is > having none of it, he is 100% carnivore! i do cook meat for my partner > and son. does anyone else cook meat or are you all against cooking it? > > > This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; > unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this > e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf > of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or > policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, > either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended > recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately. > > _____________________ > _ > This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The > service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive > anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: > http://www.star.net.uk > > _____________________ > _ > > > To send an email to - > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > > To send an email to - > > > > > > _____________________ > _ > This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The > service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive > anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: > http://www.star.net.uk > > _____________________ > _ > > > This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; > unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this > e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf > of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or > policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, > either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended > recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately. > > _____________________ > _ > This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The > service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive > anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: > http://www.star.net.uk > > _____________________ > _ > > > To send an email to - > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Was it really your Mum’s choice? I think in the majority of cases the female is expected to do all this stuff and so the cycle continues – it should be equal morgaana [morgaana] 14 December 2004 10:56 Re: vegan families I'm not sure I understand why the mom cooking is such a problem for some of you. We really just have that once piece of information. How do we know her husband doesn't do the laundry or clean the house? I have to admit that my mom ended up doing everything: working full-time, all the cooking, all the cleaning, laundry. My dad cut the grass once every two weeks. Not exactly fair. But that was her choice. And you know what? I didn't turn out expecting that I should do the same. Laura On Dec 14, 2004, at 4:04 AM, Andrew Barnes wrote: Of course your kids can cook – or do some of the work at that age – are you going to lay on a family spread until they are 18/21 and leave home? How archaic a view of ‘traditional’ mum will they then have? Andrew Barnes victoria leggett [tipples78] 13 December 2004 22:31 Re: vegan families exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for themselves! i will cook what they want untill the time they leave home, whatever it may be! Jo bb <Heartwork wrote: Just a small question, something I wonder about - you say cook for??? as though it is a strange thing to do. Surely it would be silly to have two people living together cooking separately - what a waste of time. What cooking arrangements do other people have? and if you do not cook for your partners, or they cook for you, do you make the kids cook their own food? Jo Your partner is an adult and you cannot make choices for him (though what century do you live in – cook for???) You are doing your son a disservice in forcing him to eat meat. One day it will be looked upon as bad parenting as you are making him eat food that is bad for him. Rethink it – if it is bad for you why are you giving your kid it – would you give him booze and fags??? Andrew Barnes Account Manager FDM Group Lanchester House - Trafalgar Place - Brighton - BN1 4FL Tel: +44 (0)870 060 3100 - Fax: +44 (0)870 060 3101 - Mob: +44 (0)7970 075 905 andrew.barnes www.fdmgroup.com victoria leggett [tipples78] 12 December 2004 10:24 Re: Your Opinion: China Vegetarianism. i try telling my partner that we were herbivores first but he is having none of it, he is 100% carnivore! i do cook meat for my partner and son. does anyone else cook meat or are you all against cooking it? This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately. ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ To send an email to - To send an email to - ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! To send an email to - ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately. ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Sure it was her choice. No one held a gun to her head and made her do it. Society expects everyone to love having a steak placed in front of them. But we don't do what society expects, do we? My point of view says what she did wasn't fair. Maybe she didn't see it that way. All I'm saying is that there are many points of view. It might be better to ask questions rather than berate someone for the choice they made. Laura On Dec 14, 2004, at 6:00 AM, Andrew Barnes wrote: > Was it really your Mum’s choice? I think in the majority of cases the > female is expected to do all this stuff and so the cycle continues – > it should be equal > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Don’t berate me for being opinionated! The points of view that dominate are the ones that shout loudest (often). For some reason veggies are always meek and ‘sorry’ for pressing their views onto barbaric meat eaters. Bugger that. The best argument I have ever had was with a scrawny kid a few years ago who said I was weak for not eating meat. So I decked him. (he ate meat) Point proved. Andrew Barnes morgaana [morgaana] 14 December 2004 11:39 Re: vegan families Sure it was her choice. No one held a gun to her head and made her do it. Society expects everyone to love having a steak placed in front of them. But we don't do what society expects, do we? My point of view says what she did wasn't fair. Maybe she didn't see it that way. All I'm saying is that there are many points of view. It might be better to ask questions rather than berate someone for the choice they made. Laura On Dec 14, 2004, at 6:00 AM, Andrew Barnes wrote: Was it really your Mum’s choice? I think in the majority of cases the female is expected to do all this stuff and so the cycle continues – it should be equal ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately. ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 I will cook for my wife and kids, only as long as there is no corpse involved. My youngest daughter now 8 is starting to query my choices ( milk etc) and is starting to think things through as far as an 8 year old can, but both her and my other daughter ( 10) know that if they said that they wanted to eat meat that I would not hold it against them. Thier life, their choices, as long as they know the score and dont expect me to join in or encourage it. The Valley Vegan.........Jo bb <Heartwork wrote: Just a small question, something I wonder about - you say cook for??? as though it is a strange thing to do. Surely it would be silly to have two people living together cooking separately - what a waste of time. What cooking arrangements do other people have? and if you do not cook for your partners, or they cook for you, do you make the kids cook their own food? Jo Your partner is an adult and you cannot make choices for him (though what century do you live in – cook for???) You are doing your son a disservice in forcing him to eat meat. One day it will be looked upon as bad parenting as you are making him eat food that is bad for him. Rethink it – if it is bad for you why are you giving your kid it – would you give him booze and fags??? Andrew BarnesAccount Manager FDM GroupLanchester House - Trafalgar Place - Brighton - BN1 4FLTel: +44 (0)870 060 3100 - Fax: +44 (0)870 060 3101 - Mob: +44 (0)7970 075 905andrew.barneswww.fdmgroup.com victoria leggett [tipples78] 12 December 2004 10:24 Subject: Re: Your Opinion: China Vegetarianism. i try telling my partner that we were herbivores first but he is having none of it, he is 100% carnivore! i do cook meat for my partner and son. does anyone else cook meat or are you all against cooking it?This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately.______________________This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. Theservice is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactiveanti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit:http://www.star.net.uk______________________To send an email to - To send an email to - Peter H Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 I can't see any problems either. I personally dislike cooking. I did the vast majority of cooking for 26 years - my husband took over and has cooked for the last ten years. We have always shared what has to be done, not because we think we should but because we like to help each other. I don't really know what my kids think a traditional mum or dad should do. Jo , morgaana@a... wrote: > I'm not sure I understand why the mom cooking is such a problem for > some of you. We really just have that once piece of information. How do > we know her husband doesn't do the laundry or clean the house? I have > to admit that my mom ended up doing everything: working full-time, all > the cooking, all the cleaning, laundry. My dad cut the grass once every > two weeks. Not exactly fair. But that was her choice. And you know > what? I didn't turn out expecting that I should do the same. > > Laura > > On Dec 14, 2004, at 4:04 AM, Andrew Barnes wrote: > > > > > > > Of course your kids can cook – or do some of the work at that age – > > are you going to lay on a family spread until they are 18/21 and leave > > home? How archaic a view of `traditional' mum will they then have? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Barnes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > victoria leggett [tipples78] > > 13 December 2004 22:31 > > > > Re: vegan families > > > > > > > > exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for themselves! i will > > cook what they want untill the time they leave home, whatever it may > > be! > > > > Jo bb <Heartwork@b...> wrote: > > > > Just a small question, something I wonder about - you say cook for??? > > as though it is a strange thing to do. Surely it would be silly to > > have two people living together cooking separately - what a waste of > > time. What cooking arrangements do other people have? and if you do > > not cook for your partners, or they cook for you, do you make the kids > > cook their own food? > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > Your partner is an adult and you cannot make choices for him (though > > what century do you live in – cook for???) > > > > > > > > You are doing your son a disservice in forcing him to eat meat. One > > day it will be looked upon as bad parenting as you are making him eat > > food that is bad for him. > > > > > > > > Rethink it – if it is bad for you why are you giving your kid it – > > would you give him booze and fags??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Barnes > > Account Manager > > > > > > FDM Group > > Lanchester House - Trafalgar Place - Brighton - BN1 4FL > > Tel: +44 (0)870 060 3100 - Fax: +44 (0)870 060 3101 - Mob: +44 > > (0)7970 075 905 > > andrew.barnes@f... > > www.fdmgroup.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > victoria leggett [tipples78] > > 12 December 2004 10:24 > > > > Re: Your Opinion: China Vegetarianism. > > > > > > > > i try telling my partner that we were herbivores first but he is > > having none of it, he is 100% carnivore! i do cook meat for my partner > > and son. does anyone else cook meat or are you all against cooking it? > > > > > > This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; > > unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this > > e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf > > of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or > > policies of FDM. 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Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Equal can mean many things. I don't like going up ladders, so don't really want to share jobs that involve that. There are jobs my husband does, some of the gardening that needs more strength than I have, and mending things which I know very little about. As a general rule I remember to do general household things more often than he would - generally we seem to either work together or work at the same time as each other. Equal doesn't necessarily mean doing half the cooking, half the dusting and hoovering, half the bathroom cleaning, half the washing and ironing. It means contributing equal time to the more boring aspects of living. Jo , " Andrew Barnes " <andrew.barnes@f...> wrote: > Was it really your Mum's choice? I think in the majority of cases the > female is expected to do all this stuff and so the cycle continues - it > should be equal > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > morgaana@a... [morgaana@a...] > 14 December 2004 10:56 > > Re: vegan families > > > > I'm not sure I understand why the mom cooking is such a problem for some > of you. We really just have that once piece of information. How do we > know her husband doesn't do the laundry or clean the house? I have to > admit that my mom ended up doing everything: working full-time, all the > cooking, all the cleaning, laundry. My dad cut the grass once every two > weeks. Not exactly fair. But that was her choice. And you know what? I > didn't turn out expecting that I should do the same. > > > > Laura > > > > On Dec 14, 2004, at 4:04 AM, Andrew Barnes wrote: > Of course your kids can cook - or do some of the work at that > age - are you going to lay on a family spread until they are 18/21 and > leave home? How archaic a view of 'traditional' mum will they then have? > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Barnes > > > victoria leggett [tipples78] > > 13 December 2004 22:31 > > > > Re: vegan families > exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for themselves! i > will cook what they want untill the time they leave home, whatever it > may be! > > > > Jo bb <Heartwork@b...> wrote: > > > > Just a small question, something I wonder about - you say cook > for??? as though it is a strange thing to do. Surely it would be silly > to have two people living together cooking separately - what a waste of > time. What cooking arrangements do other people have? and if you do > not cook for your partners, or they cook for you, do you make the kids > cook their own food? > Jo > > > > Your partner is an adult and you cannot make choices for him > (though what century do you live in - cook for???) > You are doing your son a disservice in forcing him to eat meat. > One day it will be looked upon as bad parenting as you are making him > eat food that is bad for him. > Rethink it - if it is bad for you why are you giving your kid it > - would you give him booze and fags??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Barnes > > Account Manager > > > > FDM Group > > Lanchester House - Trafalgar Place - Brighton - BN1 4FL > > Tel: +44 (0)870 060 3100 - Fax: +44 (0)870 060 3101 - Mob: +44 > (0)7970 075 905 > > andrew.barnes@f... > > www.fdmgroup.com > > > > > victoria leggett [tipples78] > > 12 December 2004 10:24 > > > > Re: Your Opinion: China Vegetarianism. > i try telling my partner that we were herbivores first but he is > having none of it, he is 100% carnivore! i do cook meat for my partner > and son. does anyone else cook meat or are you all against cooking it? > > > > This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee > only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this > e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf > of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or > policies of FDM. 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Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 my partner does help out around the house. even if he didnt whats the problem? my kids help out too! we both work and look after the family. equal amounts. morgaana wrote: I'm not sure I understand why the mom cooking is such a problem for some of you. We really just have that once piece of information. How do we know her husband doesn't do the laundry or clean the house? I have to admit that my mom ended up doing everything: working full-time, all the cooking, all the cleaning, laundry. My dad cut the grass once every two weeks. Not exactly fair. But that was her choice. And you know what? I didn't turn out expecting that I should do the same.LauraOn Dec 14, 2004, at 4:04 AM, Andrew Barnes wrote:> >> Of course your kids can cook – or do some of the work at that age – > are you going to lay on a family spread until they are 18/21 and leave > home? How archaic a view of ‘traditional’ mum will they then have?>> >> >> >> Andrew Barnes>>>> >>> victoria leggett [tipples78]> 13 December 2004 22:31> > Re: vegan families>> >> exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for themselves! i will > cook what they want untill the time they leave home, whatever it may > be!>> Jo bb wrote:>> Just a small question, something I wonder about - you say cook for??? > as though it is a strange thing to do. Surely it would be silly to > have two people living together cooking separately - what a waste of > time. What cooking arrangements do other people have? and if you do > not cook for your partners, or they cook for you, do you make the kids > cook their own food?>> >> Jo>> Your partner is an adult and you cannot make choices for him (though > what century do you live in – cook for???)>> >> You are doing your son a disservice in forcing him to eat meat. One > day it will be looked upon as bad parenting as you are making him eat > food that is bad for him.>> >> Rethink it – if it is bad for you why are you giving your kid it – > would you give him booze and fags???>> >> >> >> >> Andrew Barnes> Account Manager>>> FDM Group> Lanchester House - Trafalgar Place - Brighton - BN1 4FL> Tel: +44 (0)870 060 3100 - Fax: +44 (0)870 060 3101 - Mob: +44 > (0)7970 075 905> andrew.barnes www.fdmgroup.com>> >> >>> victoria leggett [tipples78]> 12 December 2004 10:24> > Re: Your Opinion: China Vegetarianism.>> >> i try telling my partner that we were herbivores first but he is > having none of it, he is 100% carnivore! i do cook meat for my partner > and son. does anyone else cook meat or are you all against cooking it?>>> This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; > unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this > e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf > of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or > policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, > either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended > recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately.> > _____________________ > _> This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The> service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive> anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit:> http://www.star.net.uk> > _____________________ > _>>> To send an email to - >>>>> To send an email to - >>>>> ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun!>> To send an email to - >>>>> > _____________________ > _> This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The> service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive> anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit:> http://www.star.net.uk> > _____________________ > _>>> This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; > unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this > e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf > of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or > policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, > either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended > recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately.> > _____________________ > _> This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The> service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive> anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit:> http://www.star.net.uk> > _____________________ > _>>> To send an email to - >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 thanxs for that, i agree. at least someone knows where i am coming from!heartwerk <Heartwork wrote: Equal can mean many things. I don't like going up ladders, so don't really want to share jobs that involve that. There are jobs my husband does, some of the gardening that needs more strength than I have, and mending things which I know very little about. As a general rule I remember to do general household things more often than he would - generally we seem to either work together or work at the same time as each other. Equal doesn't necessarily mean doing half the cooking, half the dusting and hoovering, half the bathroom cleaning, half the washing and ironing. It means contributing equal time to the more boring aspects of living.Jo , "Andrew Barnes" <andrew.barnes@f...> wrote:> Was it really your Mum's choice? I think in the majority of cases the> female is expected to do all this stuff and so the cycle continues -it> should be equal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > morgaana@a... [morgaana@a...] > 14 December 2004 10:56> > Re: vegan families> > > > I'm not sure I understand why the mom cooking is such a problem for some> of you. We really just have that once piece of information. How do we> know her husband doesn't do the laundry or clean the house? I have to> admit that my mom ended up doing everything: working full-time, all the> cooking, all the cleaning, laundry. My dad cut the grass once every two> weeks. Not exactly fair. But that was her choice. And you know what? I> didn't turn out expecting that I should do the same. > > > > Laura > > > > On Dec 14, 2004, at 4:04 AM, Andrew Barnes wrote: > > > > > > > > Of course your kids can cook - or do some of the work at that> age - are you going to lay on a family spread until they are 18/21 and> leave home? How archaic a view of 'traditional' mum will they then have?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Barnes > > > > > > > > > > victoria leggett [tipples78] > > 13 December 2004 22:31 > > > > Re: vegan families > > > > > > > > exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for themselves! i> will cook what they want untill the time they leave home, whatever it> may be! > > > > Jo bb <Heartwork@b...> wrote: > > > > Just a small question, something I wonder about - you say cook> for??? as though it is a strange thing to do. Surely it would be silly> to have two people living together cooking separately - what a waste of> time. What cooking arrangements do other people have? and if you do> not cook for your partners, or they cook for you, do you make the kids> cook their own food? > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > Your partner is an adult and you cannot make choices for him> (though what century do you live in - cook for???) > > > > > > > > You are doing your son a disservice in forcing him to eat meat.> One day it will be looked upon as bad parenting as you are making him> eat food that is bad for him. > > > > > > > > Rethink it - if it is bad for you why are you giving your kid it> - would you give him booze and fags??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Barnes > > Account Manager > > > > FDM Group > > Lanchester House - Trafalgar Place - Brighton - BN1 4FL > > Tel: +44 (0)870 060 3100 - Fax: +44 (0)870 060 3101 - Mob: +44> (0)7970 075 905 > > andrew.barnes@f... > > www.fdmgroup.com > > > > > > > > > > > > victoria leggett [tipples78] > > 12 December 2004 10:24 > > > > Re: Your Opinion: China Vegetarianism. > > > > > > > > i try telling my partner that we were herbivores first but he is> having none of it, he is 100% carnivore! i do cook meat for my partner> and son. does anyone else cook meat or are you all against cooking it? > > > > This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee> only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this> e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf> of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or> policies of FDM. 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Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 about 6 weeks. a vegan virgin!Andrew Barnes <andrew.barnes wrote: Victoria, I don’t get to read all the postings all the time – how long have you been vegan? thanks fraggle [EBbrewpunx] 14 December 2004 00:30 Subject: Re: vegan families be nice kids.... everyone looks at things differently... we are all vegan fer different reasons and have different goals.. go slow pony boy Andrew Barnes Dec 13, 2004 1:39 PM vegan families Your partner is an adult and you cannot make choices for him (though what century do you live in – cook for???) You are doing your son a disservice in forcing him to eat meat. One day it will be looked upon as bad parenting as you are making him eat food that is bad for him. Rethink it – if it is bad for you why are you giving your kid it – would you give him booze and fags??? This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately.______________________This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. Theservice is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactiveanti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit:http://www.star.net.uk______________________To send an email to - Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 what is wrong with traditional anyWay?Andrew Barnes <andrew.barnes wrote: Of course your kids can cook – or do some of the work at that age – are you going to lay on a family spread until they are 18/21 and leave home? How archaic a view of ‘traditional’ mum will they then have? Andrew Barnes victoria leggett [tipples78] 13 December 2004 22:31 Subject: Re: vegan families exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for themselves! i will cook what they want untill the time they leave home, whatever it may be!Jo bb <Heartwork wrote: Just a small question, something I wonder about - you say cook for??? as though it is a strange thing to do. Surely it would be silly to have two people living together cooking separately - what a waste of time. What cooking arrangements do other people have? and if you do not cook for your partners, or they cook for you, do you make the kids cook their own food? Jo Your partner is an adult and you cannot make choices for him (though what century do you live in – cook for???) You are doing your son a disservice in forcing him to eat meat. One day it will be looked upon as bad parenting as you are making him eat food that is bad for him. Rethink it – if it is bad for you why are you giving your kid it – would you give him booze and fags??? Andrew BarnesAccount Manager FDM GroupLanchester House - Trafalgar Place - Brighton - BN1 4FLTel: +44 (0)870 060 3100 - Fax: +44 (0)870 060 3101 - Mob: +44 (0)7970 075 905andrew.barneswww.fdmgroup.com victoria leggett [tipples78] 12 December 2004 10:24 Subject: Re: Your Opinion: China Vegetarianism. i try telling my partner that we were herbivores first but he is having none of it, he is 100% carnivore! i do cook meat for my partner and son. does anyone else cook meat or are you all against cooking it? This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately.______________________This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. Theservice is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactiveanti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit:http://www.star.net.uk______________________To send an email to - To send an email to - ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! To send an email to - ______________________This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. Theservice is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactiveanti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit:http://www.star.net.uk______________________ This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately.______________________This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. Theservice is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactiveanti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit:http://www.star.net.uk______________________To send an email to - ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 im half way there then! two sons, one of them veggie. they are taught about animal rights. i have lots of pictures over the house (animals being killed, tested on etc) i always talk to my kids about it. they are also free to read any of the info i have, which they do! i still maintain i cant force them to belive what i do, just encourage them!Zachary Johnson <z.johnson wrote: As a parent, I would be doing my best to impart my knowledge upon my children. One of the things I happen to believe strongly in is veganism and I would teach them all I could about animal rights and why being vegan is the most immediate choice we can make to stop the suffering. I will have no non-vegan food in my house. If they decide they want to go to McDeath or some other such place, it is certainly their choice, but I hope the values I live and display would make my children not want to sponsor such a place (or any meat eating). We can only plant seeds, but we can plant the right ones and help our children grow to appreciate and value all living things. ~z - Peter Monday, December 13, 2004 6:32 PM Re: vegan families Hi Victoria > exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for themselves! i will cook what they want untill the time they leave home, > whatever it may be! What if they wanted you to cook human flesh? Or, how about dog or cat? As a question for anyone who feels so inclined to answer... what would people consider to be the ethical boundary they would not cross when it comes to feeding their children? For me, it would be that I would not prepare a non-vegan meal for anyone. If people want to eat meat / dairy, I would have no inclination to prevent them from doing so, but I would not provide it for them. BB PeterTo send an email to - To send an email to - Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 what about my partner who is too an adult? or should i just ask him to leave??Anna Blaine <anna333 wrote: I think the grownup who's doing the cooking should get to decide how the family eats. That's the adult's job - to make sure their children are eating properly. -Anna - Peter 12/13/2004 5:35:35 PM Re: vegan families Hi Victoria > exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for themselves! i will cook what they want untill the time they leave home, > whatever it may be! What if they wanted you to cook human flesh? Or, how about dog or cat? As a question for anyone who feels so inclined to answer... what would people consider to be the ethical boundary they would not cross when it comes to feeding their children? For me, it would be that I would not prepare a non-vegan meal for anyone. If people want to eat meat / dairy, I would have no inclination to prevent them from doing so, but I would not provide it for them. BB PeterTo send an email to - To send an email to - Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 If he eats meat – yes – boot him out (Being flippant) Generally if one is vegan it is not because one ‘want’ to be, rather - ‘forced’ to be because of what you know. In the same way that people happily buy products at GAP and at ADIDAS etc until they are told about the horrible regimes that exist to make those clothes and then they shop elsewhere. I am a life vegan – 24 years and I wouldn’t live with anyone else who wasn’t. I suppose if you have only started the move to vegaism recently it’s different (never done it). As a rule I wouldn’t expect vegans to be capable of cooking/living with/sharing a fridge with people who eat meat. It is akin to a bible basher living with a Satanist. Sorry if I am abrupt and argumentative – growing up in a basically stupid world really gets my goat and I shout loudly – please don’t take it personally – I don’t know you and am just calling shots on what’s written in emails (all info we have to go on anyway). regards Andrew Barnes victoria leggett [tipples78] 14 December 2004 19:55 Re: vegan families what about my partner who is too an adult? or should i just ask him to leave?? Anna Blaine <anna333 wrote: I think the grownup who's doing the cooking should get to decide how the family eats. That's the adult's job - to make sure their children are eating properly. -Anna - Peter 12/13/2004 5:35:35 PM Re: vegan families Hi Victoria > exactly! my kids are 8 and 9 so they cant cook for themselves! i will cook what they want untill the time they leave home, > whatever it may be! What if they wanted you to cook human flesh? Or, how about dog or cat? As a question for anyone who feels so inclined to answer... what would people consider to be the ethical boundary they would not cross when it comes to feeding their children? For me, it would be that I would not prepare a non-vegan meal for anyone. If people want to eat meat / dairy, I would have no inclination to prevent them from doing so, but I would not provide it for them. BB Peter To send an email to - To send an email to - Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Messenger To send an email to - ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately. ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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