Soy products

[Guest guest]

Hi! I am new and pretty much a lurker. I have a 2 y.o. vegetarian daughter.

She drinks rice milk (she was okay with soy formula, but hates soy milk), but

you are right to think that it is NOT an adequate source of protein for an

infant. My daughter eats cheese and yogurt , peanut butter, brown rice, nuts

and other proteins. She will not touch eggs. Obviously, your baby can't eat a

lot of those things yet. Does she eat cheese cubes or eggs? (or are you

vegans?) It's hard with vegan infants if soy doesn't work out since some foods

are too bulky and don't have a lot of calories. You could try vegan Sneaky

Dad's pudding - it has nut butter (not P.B. - you can use almond for a baby

under one) avocado, strawberry, banana, a bit of cocoa...I can send the recipe

if you want to try it. My dd loved it as a baby. It has lots of fat and

protein. It's from Joanne Stepaniak's book " Feeding Vegetarian Children. "

 

I am unsure what a baby should drink before two if not drinking soy or dairy.

Maybe someone else with experience can give you advice there. But the pudding

does have adequate nutrition per serving regarding fat and protein. Good luck!

Laurie Martin <lam2rn4 wrote:

I have been vegetarian for 25 years. I have noticed in the last few years that

soy milk makes me gassy and acts like milk products used to for me. I can eat

tofu but not veggie burgers where soy is the first ingredient... I started my

daughter on soy milk (10 months) and she is really gassy as well... and gets

diarrhea. I am not really wanting to put her on cow's milk. I tried goats milk

and she won't drink it. And rice milk seems to not have enough protein in it..

any suggestions? laurie

 

 

 

laurie

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I have been vegetarian for 25 years. I have noticed in the last few years

that soy milk makes me gassy and acts like milk products used to for me. I can

eat tofu but not veggie burgers where soy is the first ingredient... I

started my daughter on soy milk (10 months) and she is really gassy as well...

and

gets diarrhea. I am not really wanting to put her on cow's milk. I tried

goats milk and she won't drink it. And rice milk seems to not have enough

protein

in it.. any suggestions?

Laurie,

Sounds like an intolerance.

First question would be, what other foods are you eating for protein? Most

vegs do not rely on milks to get most of their protein.

Beans, legumes, nuts, grains all have usable proteins.

As far as milks to use, try almond, hazelnut and oat. I'm not crazy about oat

milk, but have used it in cooking.

You might find that fermented soy products are easier on your digestive

system. That would be tempeh( bonus: it contains B12), and miso.

Also, try some veg. digestive enzymes, before or with your meals.

Eating sourkraut, and pickled radish also helps.

Is your daughter still nursing? If so, your milk will still give her many

nutrients. When my son was eating solids I just offered water to drink. I didn't

give soy for a while. That was due to my concern about avoiding allergenic

foods. My son doesn't drink milk ( usually rice or almond) by the glass, he

prefers water or diluted juice.

Hope this helps,

Peace,

Laura

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

You could get digestive enzymes, especially with protease which breaks down

protein. A complete enzyme will have that, plus all other helpful enzymes.

They are usually plant-based, but make sure it says so on the label.

 

But basically, what you're talking about is an intolerance or an allergy.

Best to avoid it altogether, especially for your daughter, or else it could

get worse with time. With a baby so young, it could turn into a life-long

allergy, and that would be horrible.

 

The next step I'd suggest is to get NAET to clear the body of the allergy.

~Doh

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> Laurie Martin <lam2rn4

> soy products

>

> I have been vegetarian for 25 years. I have noticed in the last few years

> that soy milk makes me gassy and acts like milk products used to for me. I

> can eat tofu but not veggie burgers where soy is the first ingredient... I

> started my daughter on soy milk (10 months) and she is really gassy as well...

> and gets diarrhea. I am not really wanting to put her on cow's milk. I tried

> goats milk and she won't drink it. And rice milk seems to not have enough

> protein in it.. any suggestions? laurie

[Guest guest]

> And rice milk seems to not have enough protein in it.. any suggestions?

> laurie

 

Oh, and at that age, if she's not nursing, she really must be on formula.

So if she's intolerant of it, try to add digestive enzymes to the mix. And

get NAET for her quickly!

~Doh

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for humans anymore than black people were made for white, or women created

for men. " ~Alice Walker, Author

[Guest guest]

You may want to check the ingredients of your soymilk and veggie burgers. Do

they contain carageenan? I've read that this can cause intestinal irritation.

It's strange that tofu doesn't bother you, but the soymilk and veggie burgers

do. Or, maybe " soy protein isolate " bothers you as opposed to plain soybeans.

Just a thought. - Christine

 

-

Laurie Martin

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:23 PM

soy products

 

 

I have been vegetarian for 25 years. I have noticed in the last few years

that soy milk makes me gassy and acts like milk products used to for me. I can

eat tofu but not veggie burgers where soy is the first ingredient... I started

my daughter on soy milk (10 months) and she is really gassy as well... and gets

diarrhea. I am not really wanting to put her on cow's milk. I tried goats milk

and she won't drink it. And rice milk seems to not have enough protein in it..

any suggestions? laurie

 

 

 

laurie

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

At 11:41 AM 12/05/04 +0000, Jenni wrote:

> I have a question. I have heard that soy and tofu aren't good for you. Is

> this true? I love tofu and eat it at least twice a week.

 

My future daughter-in-law is a long time cancer researcher. She believes

that eating soy products is very beneficial (and practices what she preaches).

 

And, as far as I know, there has been no proof that genetically-modified

plants are harmful -- just panic in an uniformed public.

 

Annice

[Guest guest]

Hello Annice ,

in the 1940' & 50's

when they first introduce DDT and some of the other now banned Chemicals

they said there is no proof that they are harmful to Humans only to insects

 

and well.... we all know the story there

if GE or GMO which ever you prefer is not harmful then lets

not test it on the whole population of the planet to find out it is harmful

not all soy is GMO so just buy organic to be safe

all the best

Craig

 

Hi,

 

At 11:41 AM 12/05/04 +0000, Jenni wrote:

> I have a question. I have heard that soy and tofu aren't good for you.

Is

> this true? I love tofu and eat it at least twice a week.

 

My future daughter-in-law is a long time cancer researcher. She believes

that eating soy products is very beneficial (and practices what she

preaches).

 

And, as far as I know, there has been no proof that genetically-modified

plants are harmful -- just panic in an uniformed public.

 

Annice

 

 

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rawfood , Micki Nesbit <aroo2u@f...> wrote:

> I believe I read on this list that soy products weren't good for

us

> but I don't remember why. Could someone please explain?

>

> My health report: Although I have not had high BP, it has been at

> the higher end of normal. Now it is falling below 120/30 (110/78).

>

> I had my butterfly garden put in last Thursday and can see it

growing

> by the day. Sitting out by it and watching the birds and moths

(no

> butterflies yet) is the best!

----

 

Hi Micki..

 

re: Soy ---

 

the quick " food " test:

 

does it look appealing - no

 

does it smell appealing - no

does it taste appealing - no

can you make a meal of it, as it is in the raw state - not really...

 

It's not a fruit...it's not a vegetable, it's not a nut, it's not a

seed (well,maybe...)..it's a legume....which I eat very few to none.

 

I'd stop there - doesn't pass my basic " food " tests...and if it's not

a food in my book, it must be a toxin.

 

from another board:

 

Discover the dark side of America's favorite health food.

THE WHOLE SOY STORY, by Dr. Kaayla Daniel, PhD, CCN,

blows the lid off nutritional dogma !

 

a.. Soy is NOT a health food.

b.. Soy is NOT the answer to world hunger.

c.. Soy is NOT a panacea.

d.. Soy has not even been proven safe.

 

and

 

Beware of The Toxicity of Soy Products

Contrary to popular belief that soy is a health food, evidence

reveals that soy consumption has been linked to numerous disorders,

including infertility, increased cancer and infantile leukemia, Type1

diabetes, and precocious puberty in children have been fed soy

formula. (early maturation, such as breast development and

menstruation as early as 6 years of age). Scientists have known for

years that the isoflavones in soy products can depress thyroid

function and cause goiters in otherwise healthy children and adults.

A combined research team of Cornell University Medical College and

Long Island Community Hospital medical experts have found that

children who develop Type1 diabetes are twice as likely to have been

fed soy formulas as those fed all other foods This confirms concerns

based on animal studies raised in the 1980's and 1990s by Health

Canada researcher Dr Fraser Scott and led to the American Academy of

Pediatrics issuing their warning to pediatricians against any use of

soy based formulas.

 

glad you BP is coming down...and watching for the butterflies sounds

exquisite!

 

all the best,

 

Bob

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/3/2005 7:30:51 P.M. Central Standard Time,

VLinfo writes:

 

Oh, Persian, you've really overreached yourself here.

 

 

You really deserve a sharp whack on the knuckles for what you write above.

 

 

So you are WAY off base here, both for your rather vicious attack on someone

you clearly do not know AND on content.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sorry for that snipped portion resent. I was going to respond, and decided

to write Elchanan off list...don't know what happened there Excuse me!

~denise

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

 

On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 02:18:41 -0000, Bob Farrell wrote:

>

> re: Soy ---

>

> Discover the dark side of America's favorite health food.

> THE WHOLE SOY STORY, by Dr. Kaayla Daniel, PhD, CCN,

> blows the lid off nutritional dogma !

>

 

A nice one sided argument presented here!

 

Research backed and financed no doubt by the dairy industry. There is

a group in NZ doing the same thing, web page paid for by dairy farmers!

They refer to themselves as a group of concerned citizens HAHAA they

are a group of farmers scared of losing their $$$$ to soy milk.

 

There are plenty of websites with information on how non GM soy is quite OK

and an equal number saying it is not. Everyone needs to make their own decision.

Just quoting one page with one view is not giving good information. Just my 2

cents.

 

regards

Persian

 

 

" As long as people will shed the blood of innocent creatures there can be no

peace, no liberty, no harmony between people. Slaughter and justice cannot

dwell together " - Isaac Bashevis Singer

 

" Atrocities are not less atrocities when they occur in laboratories and are

called medical research " - George Bernard Shaw

[Guest guest]

Persian Friday, June 03, 2005 2:10 PM Re: [Raw Food]

Re: Soy Products

 

Hi all,

On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 02:18:41 -0000, Bob Farrell wrote:

>

> re: Soy ---

>

> Discover the dark side of America's favorite health food.

> THE WHOLE SOY STORY, by Dr. Kaayla Daniel, PhD, CCN,

> blows the lid off nutritional dogma !

>

 

A nice one sided argument presented here!

 

Research backed and financed no doubt by the dairy industry. There is

a group in NZ doing the same thing, web page paid for by dairy farmers!

They refer to themselves as a group of concerned citizens HAHAA they

are a group of farmers scared of losing their $$$$ to soy milk.

 

There are plenty of websites with information on how non GM soy is quite OK

and an equal number saying it is not. Everyone needs to make their own

decision.

Just quoting one page with one view is not giving good information. Just my

2 cents.

 

regards

Persian

_____

Oh, Persian, you've really overreached yourself here. I know Kaayla

personally, she LEFT all employment behind her precisely so that she COULD

work unfettered, and her book is very well-researched and well-documented.

You really deserve a sharp whack on the knuckles for what you write above.

 

As for soy, it is food for pigs, but only in its raw state. Surpluses were

redirected and called " health food " a few decades back, when researchers

discovered that the protein in soy more closely resembles the protein in

meat than does the protein in other grains. In other words, the protein in

soy is MUCH higher in sulfur (read: ACID) and particularly in methionine, an

amino acid found in abundance in animal foods and in MUCH smaller quantities

in plant foods.

 

The Framingham Study, the largest and longest running study in the world on

the relationship between diet and heart disease of all forms, has found that

the highest statistical correlation between ANY substance and heart disease

is for homocysteine. Homocysteine is a midway output from methionine

digestion, cooked or raw.

 

So you are WAY off base here, both for your rather vicious attack on someone

you clearly do not know AND on content.

 

Elchanan

 

 

 

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rawfood , Micki Nesbit <aroo2u@f...> wrote:

> I believe I read on this list that soy products weren't good for us

> but I don't remember why. Could someone please explain?

>

> My health report: Although I have not had high BP, it has been at

> the higher end of normal. Now it is falling below 120/30 (110/78).

>

> I had my butterfly garden put in last Thursday and can see it growing

> by the day. Sitting out by it and watching the birds and moths (no

> butterflies yet) is the best!

>

> Micki

[Guest guest]

I totally agree.

 

I know too many people -- myself included -- who've

been eating/drinking soy products longterm who've not

developed any of these terrible health issues.

Although I do not consume any soy foods now bc I am

raw, I used soy regularly for YEARS beginning in the

mid-80s and never developed cancer, thyroid problems,

etc. etc. I'm not saying these things can't develop,

but the issue doesn't seem as one-sided as the

anti-soy people would suggest. There're probably a lot

of other factors involved too.

 

So like a lot of other things, do the research, listen

to your own body.

 

swing

 

--- Persian <persian13 wrote:

 

> There are plenty of websites with information on how

> non GM soy is quite OK

> and an equal number saying it is not. Everyone needs

> to make their own decision.

> Just quoting one page with one view is not giving

> good information. Just my 2 cents.

 

 

 

 

 

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swing bolder Saturday, June 04, 2005 7:44 AM Re: [Raw

Food] Re: Soy Products

So like a lot of other things, do the research, listen to your own body.

_____

I appreciate this comment/sentiment, and at the same time, as I've written

before, most of us need to completely relearn how our body communicates with

us and what those communications mean. I constantly see people missing (not

noticing), ignoring, and misinterpreting information provided by their

bodies and minds (as dreams). It serves us all well to remember that chronic

and degenerative conditions in the body do not generally appear quickly, but

rather slowly, in a creeping manner over years, and by then great damage has

already been done.

 

Elchanan

 

 

 

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rawfood , " Annette " <cloudriver> wrote:

> For information in addition to the responses you've had, you may read

> the article " The Magic Bean " by Dr. Tim O'Shea at

> http://www.thedoctorwithin.com

>

> Annette

> (Washington State)

>

 

Hi Annette.

 

read it: he had an interesting perspective, with more of a GM

(genetically modified) stance: he hates it...

 

also an interesting site, esp. for a chiropractor! I think we'd differ

when it comes to supplementation vs. Natural Hygiene...maybe more later

on that..

 

 

all the best,

 

Bob

[Guest guest]

A combined research team of Cornell University Medical College and

Long Island Community Hospital medical experts have found that

children who develop Type1 diabetes are twice as likely to have been

fed soy formulas as those fed all other foods This confirms concerns

based on animal studies raised in the 1980's and 1990s by Health

Canada researcher Dr Fraser Scott and led to the American Academy of

Pediatrics issuing their warning to pediatricians against any use of

soy based formulas.

 

_____

Great info, Bob! Of course, they had to redefine " Type I " diabetes in order

to publish those conclusions. Is this of interest?

Elchanan

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

> Recently 1 of my friend's son found out that he is

> gluten & wheat intolenacence, so he do a lots of

> research but found out that soy products is really

> bad, he struggle a lots as he be a vegan for long

> time, with now is gluten & wheat intelencance, he

> focus on soy products, now with the research, he is

> really confuce, any one can help?

 

Check the recipe files for this list, lots of the

recipes are soy-free, the recipe titles are labeled

(SF). Are there particular soy things that you are

looking for substitutes for? Our household is vegan

and gluten-free and we avoid soy, so far for us the

only things it is hard to find without soy are junk

food which we don't need anyway. (chocolate, fake

cheese, etc...) Somewhere in the files there should

be a recipe for soy-free " soy sauce " , I saw it

posted on here a long time ago...

 

-Laura KQB

 

 

 

 

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http://www.foodrevolution.org/what_about_soy.htm

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Christene Eggie

Tuesday, September 19, 2006 10:03 AM

soy products

 

 

As a new veggie, I was very disturbed to hear that soy products can be

damaging to our health and that soy products are a huge reason for thyroid

problems and cause a ton of allergy/autoimmune problems. I've heard this from a

friend who is very in tune to health issues and someone that I trust wholly.

This information comes from a book and from her physician. Does anyone know

anything about this? Have you heard similar statements? I eat a ton of soy now

and am pretty concerned about this issue. I will get the name of the book for

your own information, but I would appreciate anything you all can provide.

Thanks,

Christene

 

[Guest guest]

Yes, I have heard this, Christene. I also know two people who go on at

length about how unhealthy soy is unless it's fermented (as in tempeh) -

they can be rather zealously religious about it - one is my ex-husband

who has traumatized my kids about soy. These people claim that the soy

industry has a deathlike grip on our government or the " truth about soy "

would have been out far before this. (But it's easy for both of them to

take this stance as both eat meat.) These are the same people who only

drink raw milk (believing pasterized milk to be another bad thing), so

there is definitely a particular point of view here.

 

In fact, I asked the same question here not long after I joined. I wish

I could remember some of the sources I found that give a more balanced

point of view.

 

After reading various opinions on the subject, I've decided that I'll

stick with soy, though with more moderation than before. I don't drink

soy milk and I've reduced how much I rely on packaged soy products (but

hey, ANY highly processed foods should be minimized). So I don't eat as

much tofu bologna or tofu hot dogs, etc, as I used to. I'm moving to a

more whole grain-based diet. But I've decided I won't give soy up

entirely. Overall, my diet is SO much healthier than it used to be (I

was a fairly unhealthy vegetarian for years) and some soy is far better

than lots of that other cr*p I used to eat. I used to go for days and

days on pasta and white bread and tofu dogs and cheese and never saw a

vegetable unless you call ketchup or Pregos pasta sauce a vegetable. I

also used to consume tons of fake sugars and caffeine and eliminated all

that (well, a bit of caffeine sometimes). I've now traded aspertame for

quinoa (which I've now learned how to pronounce properly). ;-)

 

It's a process.

 

Sharon

 

 

Christene Eggie wrote:

> As a new veggie, I was very disturbed to hear that soy products can be

damaging to our health and that soy products are a huge reason for thyroid

problems and cause a ton of allergy/autoimmune problems.

>

[Guest guest]

Hey there!

 

Soy *can* be healthy, ***In Moderation***. But if you are going through

your day using soy based meat analogs at every meal, drinking lots of soy

milk, and finishing off your day with soy ice cream, you are probably eating

way too much of it. Think about it! It may seem like you are eating

different products, but if most of your diet is made from soy, then please

rethink your diet. just about anything in over abundance can be stressful

on the body. Balance out your diet, and don't lean too heavily on any one

thing. It's just easy to fall into the trap of using way too much soy,

since it it used in so many things...

 

Unfortunately I have no clue where I read it, and of course this doesn't

make it gospel just because it was in print, but somewhere I read that two

ounces daily is all you should have. that's not a lot, in the whole scheme

of things.

 

 

Thia

 

 

 

 

On 9/19/06, Christene Eggie <kaijax wrote:

>

> As a new veggie, I was very disturbed to hear that soy products can be

> damaging to our health and that soy products are a huge reason for thyroid

> problems and cause a ton of allergy/autoimmune problems. I've heard this

> from a friend who is very in tune to health issues and someone that I trust

> wholly. This information comes from a book and from her physician. Does

> anyone know anything about this? Have you heard similar statements? I eat a

> ton of soy now and am pretty concerned about this issue. I will get the name

> of the book for your own information, but I would appreciate anything you

> all can provide.

> Thanks,

> Christene

>

>

[Guest guest]

It seems that moderation most things should be fine. I have been

exploring the effects of soy on the thyroid myself, which seems to

have a lot of evidence that if you have a thyroid prob you should

limit soy to a serving or so . I think you could find a study to

support any position on any topic. I have read repeatedly that soy is

a highly sprayed crop unless you buy organic and you need to watch to

get the non GMO.

 

I know several friends who are veg w/ kids and they let the kids have

soy products mostly as a treat like a picnic food or on weekend

(rather than Chicken mcnuggets or something) but mostly stick to

grains, beans veggies tried and true foods : )

 

 

 

, AGB <desertangel_nv wrote:

>

> Hello everyone. I am not new to this group but read the emails

everyday. I just have not posted before.

>

> Has anyone seen this article? This really bothers me because my

family and I do eat TVP from time to time -- sometimes twice a week.

>

> http://www.unsymmetrical.com/2007/03/why_you_should_avoid_soy.php

>

> Thanks,

>

> Angie

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

As others said, moderation ( & variety) is the key to eating ALL foods.

I didn't read every word since the guy is on a rant, but he neglects to

mention the meat/milk industry advertising that is quite a lot more

powerful than the soy industry's.

 

He makes a lot of unsubstantiated claims and has no sources listed

where you can check things out. Unless these blogs are well-researched

(and most are not), one should take them with a grain of salt (or take

them paragraph by paragraph and research them oneself).

 

Heidi

 

 

 

 

 

 

, AGB <desertangel_nv wrote:

>

> Hello everyone. I am not new to this group but read the emails

everyday. I just have not posted before.

>

> Has anyone seen this article? This really bothers me because my

family and I do eat TVP from time to time -- sometimes twice a week.

>

> http://www.unsymmetrical.com/2007/03/why_you_should_avoid_soy.php

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I just read an article on unfermented soy and how bad it was. Im wondering

how much soy you include in your diet and particuarly that of your kids. My

son loves soy but im feeling fairly uneasy about it now.

Ange

 

--

" One person flying in an airplane for one hour is responsible for the same

greenhouse gas emissions as a typical Bangladeshi in a whole year. " -

Beatrice Schell, European Federation for Transport and Environment, November

2001.

 

* The global livestock industry is responsible for more greenhouse gas

emissions than all the planes, trains and automobiles in the world combined

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

What article and who wrote it?

 

On Jan 1, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Angela Nagle wrote:

 

> Hi all,

> I just read an article on unfermented soy and how bad it was. Im wondering

> how much soy you include in your diet and particuarly that of your kids. My

> son loves soy but im feeling fairly uneasy about it now.

> Ange

>

> --

> " One person flying in an airplane for one hour is responsible for the same

> greenhouse gas emissions as a typical Bangladeshi in a whole year. " -

> Beatrice Schell, European Federation for Transport and Environment, November

> 2001.

>

> * The global livestock industry is responsible for more greenhouse gas

> emissions than all the planes, trains and automobiles in the world combined

>

>