Animal Alternative Foodstuffs

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Hi John

 

> I don't think that makes me any> 'worse' a person though - surely it is the act of eating animal products> which is bad, not the physical desire to do so

 

I'd have to agree with that. No-one can help what they like the taste of, it is what you do about it that is important :-)

 

> So - fumbling his way back towards the relevant subject - if they make a> vegan burger which tastes like meat, then for me that is a good thing. It> doesn't harm an animal, but makes it much easier for people like me who miss> the taste of meat to remain vegan/vegetarian. In fact, the existence of such> products probably does a lot to persuade more people to become> vegan/vegetarian, as it means they can do so without having to give up> foods/tastes they like. Now if only someone could replicate the taste of a> barbeque pringle...

I'm still waiting for them to perfect vegan cheese. My favourite meal before going vegan was cheese-flan, but they just haven't come up with anything that melts properly and still tastes good! Maybe in another couple of years Redwoods will come up with something!

 

BB

Peter

 

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Thanks much for the honesty. So many Veges seem to think it's evil to admit to missing the taste of flesh. I'm not saying it's a good thing to miss it, just normal when you're raised on it. I whole-heartedly agree with what you said and commend you for the struggle you've had and overcome. As for chips..have you ever tried Lays KC Masterpiece BBQ chips? As far as I can tell they're Vegan and they taste wonderful. I'd even be willing to bet you'd like them even better than BBQ Pringles. We'll see.

 

Take care,

Tammy

 

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John Davis

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 5:20 AM

Re: Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs

Hi,This is a bit off the original subject I guess, but personally I stillmiss - and indeed dream of - eating meat, and as I was a vegetarian foryears (about ten I think) before becoming vegan fairly recently, if it wearsoff, it is taking its time in my case! I don't think that makes me any'worse' a person though - surely it is the act of eating animal productswhich is bad, not the physical desire to do so (outweighed, in this case, bya moral desire not to)? After all, there are lots of things we might do ifnot for moral considerations. I think animals taste good, but that doesn'tmean I'm about to go eating them. It just means that it takes moreself-restraint to remain vegan/vegetarian than it would have done if Icouldn't stand the taste of meat.So - fumbling his way back towards the relevant subject - if they make avegan burger which tastes like meat, then for me that is a good thing. Itdoesn't harm an animal, but makes it much easier for people like me who missthe taste of meat to remain vegan/vegetarian. In fact, the existence of suchproducts probably does a lot to persuade more people to becomevegan/vegetarian, as it means they can do so without having to give upfoods/tastes they like. Now if only someone could replicate the taste of abarbeque pringle...Ah, back to being more contentious again!John> Yeah, I *know* that's what you wrote, but I do think that even if you dogo> veggie because of what animals go through, you can still not think aboutit> so much when it actually comes to wanting food. I became vegetarian 14yrs> ago because I suddenly started thinking about animal cruelty - but at the> same time, for a year or so after I was still missing the taste of various> meat-based meals. Although I wanted to do my bit for animals, I think when> you do suddenly stop eating them, it does take a while to get that thought> of liking the taste out of your head. But over time, you forget that> feeling, and by picturing the cruelty it does help. I think that's how it> happened for me anyway. Maybe I'm different and live on my own littleworld> with feelings that no-one else shares. lol.>> <3> Shari Black Velvet>>>>> To send an email to - >>

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Hi Tammy,

 

>As for chips..have you ever tried Lays KC Masterpiece BBQ chips? As far as

I can tell they're >Vegan and they taste wonderful. I'd even be willing to

bet you'd like them even better than >BBQ Pringles.

 

That's a mighty large claim - I'll have to give them a try! Mind you, that

said I don't think I've seen them, or heard of them come to think of it. Are

you in the US? If so, I wonder if you can get them in the UK.

 

John

 

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" Tammy " <kittytooo

 

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 7:42 PM

Re: Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs

 

 

Thanks much for the honesty. So many Veges seem to think it's evil to admit

to missing the taste of flesh. I'm not saying it's a good thing to miss it,

just normal when you're raised on it. I whole-heartedly agree with what you

said and commend you for the struggle you've had and overcome. As for

chips..have you ever tried Lays KC Masterpiece BBQ chips? As far as I can

tell they're Vegan and they taste wonderful. I'd even be willing to bet

you'd like them even better than BBQ Pringles. We'll see.

 

Take care,

Tammy

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John Davis

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 5:20 AM

Re: Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs

 

 

Hi,

 

This is a bit off the original subject I guess, but personally I still

miss - and indeed dream of - eating meat, and as I was a vegetarian for

years (about ten I think) before becoming vegan fairly recently, if it

wears

off, it is taking its time in my case! I don't think that makes me any

'worse' a person though - surely it is the act of eating animal products

which is bad, not the physical desire to do so (outweighed, in this case,

by

a moral desire not to)? After all, there are lots of things we might do if

not for moral considerations. I think animals taste good, but that doesn't

mean I'm about to go eating them. It just means that it takes more

self-restraint to remain vegan/vegetarian than it would have done if I

couldn't stand the taste of meat.

 

So - fumbling his way back towards the relevant subject - if they make a

vegan burger which tastes like meat, then for me that is a good thing. It

doesn't harm an animal, but makes it much easier for people like me who

miss

the taste of meat to remain vegan/vegetarian. In fact, the existence of

such

products probably does a lot to persuade more people to become

vegan/vegetarian, as it means they can do so without having to give up

foods/tastes they like. Now if only someone could replicate the taste of a

barbeque pringle...

 

Ah, back to being more contentious again!

 

John

 

> Yeah, I *know* that's what you wrote, but I do think that even if you do

go

> veggie because of what animals go through, you can still not think about

it

> so much when it actually comes to wanting food. I became vegetarian

14yrs

> ago because I suddenly started thinking about animal cruelty - but at

the

> same time, for a year or so after I was still missing the taste of

various

> meat-based meals. Although I wanted to do my bit for animals, I think

when

> you do suddenly stop eating them, it does take a while to get that

thought

> of liking the taste out of your head. But over time, you forget that

> feeling, and by picturing the cruelty it does help. I think that's how

it

> happened for me anyway. Maybe I'm different and live on my own little

world

> with feelings that no-one else shares. lol.

>

> <3

> Shari Black Velvet

>

>

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

>

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Hmmm. Something we have over the UK? Doubt it. Yes, I am in the US. If you can't find them there let me know, maybe we can work something out where I mail them to you. Check first though. You can email me at kittytooo.

 

Take care,

Tammy

 

 

 

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John Davis

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:49 AM

Re: Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs

Hi Tammy,>As for chips..have you ever tried Lays KC Masterpiece BBQ chips? As far asI can tell they're >Vegan and they taste wonderful. I'd even be willing tobet you'd like them even better than >BBQ Pringles.That's a mighty large claim - I'll have to give them a try! Mind you, thatsaid I don't think I've seen them, or heard of them come to think of it. Areyou in the US? If so, I wonder if you can get them in the UK.John

[Guest guest]

I think I saw Lays when I was in Germany the other week which surprised me

as I also thought they were only out in the US. I've had the ready salted

ones while in the US. Surprised the BBQ ones are vegan - most BBQ flavour

crisps here aren't - they always have lactose or whey or something in. Can

you write out the ingredients for us? I'm curious!

 

I'm actually gonna be in NY/NJ at the beginning of August. I usually take my

own food though, lol. Although last time I went through customers they

stopped me and asked why I didn't declare it. Do I really need to declare 20

bags of crisps which I'm going to eat myself? lol.

 

<3

Shari Black Velvet

 

Tammy wrote:

> Hmmm. Something we have over the UK? Doubt it. Yes, I am in the US. If

you can't find them there let me know, maybe we can work something out where

I mail them to you. Check first though. You can email me at

kittytooo.

 

John wrote:

> Hi Tammy,

>

> >As for chips..have you ever tried Lays KC Masterpiece BBQ chips? As far

as

> I can tell they're >Vegan and they taste wonderful. I'd even be willing

to

> bet you'd like them even better than >BBQ Pringles.

>

> That's a mighty large claim - I'll have to give them a try! Mind you,

that

> said I don't think I've seen them, or heard of them come to think of it.

Are

> you in the US? If so, I wonder if you can get them in the UK.

[Guest guest]

Yes, you need to declare any food on the green form they give you to fill in

on the plane. There is a possible bonus to this. Where you get sent through

a different channel, you seem to never get pulled over for a random bag

check, and the food person just wants to know what food you have, so it can

be a lot quicker. :-)

 

While you're in NYC, try Vegetarian Paradise in Chinatown. They do a huge

selection of vegan stuff and it's really good. Portions are large too, so

luckily they do doggy bags.

 

A tip for bread, last time I was in Newark I read the ingredients of every

loaf in the supermarket and they all contained milk. The local Portuguese

bakery that baked on the premises, made milk-free bread though, so try to

find a small local bakery and ask them. It could save you ages.

 

Dave

 

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10 July 2003 14:05:16

 

Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs

 

I'm actually gonna be in NY/NJ at the beginning of August. I usually take my

own food though, lol. Although last time I went through customers they

stopped me and asked why I didn't declare it. Do I really need to declare 20

bags of crisps which I'm going to eat myself? lol.

 

<3

Shari Black Velvet

[Guest guest]

the smell of meat usually turns me abosolutely sick, and the smell on my partners breath makes me send him to get his teeth cleaned....but every 6 months or so, i catch a whiff of his mums fried chicken, and i have to tell myself off for fancying it

catherine

>"Tammy"

> >

>Re: Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs >Tue, 8 Jul 2003 13:42:11 -0500 > >Thanks much for the honesty. So many Veges seem to think it's evil to admit to missing the taste of flesh. I'm not saying it's a good thing to miss it, just normal when you're raised on it. I whole-heartedly agree with what you said and commend you for the struggle you've had and overcome. As for chips..have you ever tried Lays KC Masterpiece BBQ chips? As far as I can tell they're Vegan and they taste wonderful. I'd even be willing to bet you'd like them even better than BBQ Pringles. We'll see. > >Take care, >Tammy > - > John Davis > > Tuesday, July 08, 2003 5:20 AM > Re: Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs > > > Hi, > > This is a bit off the original subject I guess, but personally I still > miss - and indeed dream of - eating meat, and as I was a vegetarian for > years (about ten I think) before becoming vegan fairly recently, if it wears > off, it is taking its time in my case! I don't think that makes me any > 'worse' a person though - surely it is the act of eating animal products > which is bad, not the physical desire to do so (outweighed, in this case, by > a moral desire not to)? After all, there are lots of things we might do if > not for moral considerations. I think animals taste good, but that doesn't > mean I'm about to go eating them. It just means that it takes more > self-restraint to remain vegan/vegetarian than it would have done if I > couldn't stand the taste of meat. > > So - fumbling his way back towards the relevant subject - if they make a > vegan burger which tastes like meat, then for me that is a good thing. It > doesn't harm an animal, but makes it much easier for people like me who miss > the taste of meat to remain vegan/vegetarian. In fact, the existence of such > products probably does a lot to persuade more people to become > vegan/vegetarian, as it means they can do so without having to give up > foods/tastes they like. Now if only someone could replicate the taste of a > barbeque pringle... > > Ah, back to being more contentious again! > > John > > > Yeah, I *know* that's what you wrote, but I do think that even if you do > go > > veggie because of what animals go through, you can still not think about > it > > so much when it actually comes to wanting food. I became vegetarian 14yrs > > ago because I suddenly started thinking about animal cruelty - but at the > > same time, for a year or so after I was still missing the taste of various > > meat-based meals. Although I wanted to do my bit for animals, I think when > > you do suddenly stop eating them, it does take a while to get that thought > > of liking the taste out of your head. But over time, you forget that > > feeling, and by picturing the cruelty it does help. I think that's how it > > happened for me anyway. Maybe I'm different and live on my own little > world > > with feelings that no-one else shares. lol. > > > > <3 > > Shari Black Velvet > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > >

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Ingredients? Done! Before you requested it. I read your mind.

 

Take care,

Tammy

 

 

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Shari

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 8:12 PM

Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs

I think I saw Lays when I was in Germany the other week which surprised meas I also thought they were only out in the US. I've had the ready saltedones while in the US. Surprised the BBQ ones are vegan - most BBQ flavourcrisps here aren't - they always have lactose or whey or something in. Canyou write out the ingredients for us? I'm curious!

[Guest guest]

Who is talking about boycotting anything, I was only trying to start a new

thread! My personal opinion on which is that having an alternative to animal

products that look and taste the same seems a bit self defeatist as a vegan - i

would not want to be reminded of the animal version and suffering every time i

eat the facsimile, it would destroy whatever appetite i had to start with!

The Valley Vegan....

> Hi Peter

>

> Whilst everyone is entitled to their own views and opinions as long as they do

not harm or

> force their view on anyone else, I personally do not see the point of going

vegetarian/vegan

> then wanting to eat something that tastes/looks like something that losts its

life for that > meal. Especially when there are so many vegan

alternatives/ingredients to make something

> more compassionate.

>

>I have to admit that this view makes me laugh a little. In the fields near

where I live there are cows and sheep, but I don't see many sausages or strips

of bacon running around, last time I looked in a pond I didn't see many

bread-coated sticks swimming around - perhaps they were hibernating?

>

>Personally, I went vegetarian (then vegan) because I didn't want to harm

animals - I can honestly say that although there are many reasons why I would

never again eat meat, taste has never been and never will be a consideration in

that decision.

>

>Why would you want to boycott something that does no harm purely because is it

manufactured in the same shape as something which is manufactured by doing harm,

or because it has a similar taste to something else?

>

>BB

>Peter

>

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The point is why do they have to call it fake chicken chow mien? presumably it

is either tofu or tvp? Why not just call it vegan chow mien?

The valley vegan....

> Tonight, I had fake chicken chow mein from the vegan place down Archway.

>Twas wonderful. Been vegan 13 years, veggie 17. Probably tastes nothing like

>chicken - my memory's not that good.

>

>

> swpgh01 [swpgh01]

> Thursday, July 03, 2003 6:25 PM

>

> Animal Alternative Foodstuffs

>

>

>

> Just out of interest,

> Do any vegans eat vegan fodstuffs that imitate the meat versions ( e.g.

>fishh flavoured fish fingers, meat flavoured burgers, chicken/turkey/ham

>flavoured slices etc)? Personally I would not touch this sort of thing with

>a barge pole, as it would only register some long past memory of eating the

>real thing - and possibly sub conciously make me feel ill as a result.

> Whilst everyone is entitled to their own views and opinions as long as

>they do not harm or force their view on anyone else, I personally do not see

>the point of going vegetarian/vegan then wanting to eat something that

>tastes/looks like something that losts its life for that meal. Especially

>when there are so many vegan alternatives/ingredients to make something more

>compassionate.

> What do you think?

> The Valley Vegan........

>

> Peter H

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Hi Catherine,

Hope you enjoyed your veg and rice. I have noticed a particular brand of tvp

products with names such as fishless fingers, why dont they call them something

else unless they are made to taste like fish?!

You can also get bacon bits and rashers that have never been near a pig ( bovine

anyway!), again it must only be because they have a simular flavour.

Sorry but besides being processed to within an inch of any nutritional value and

probably high in fat, I would not choose these products.

>

 

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So - fumbling his way back towards the relevant subject - if they make a

vegan burger which tastes like meat, then for me that is a good thing. It

doesn't harm an animal, but makes it much easier for people like me who miss

the taste of meat to remain vegan/vegetarian. In fact, the existence of such

products probably does a lot to persuade more people to become

vegan/vegetarian, as it means they can do so without having to give up

foods/tastes they like. Now if only someone could replicate the taste of a

barbeque pringle...

 

Ah, back to being more contentious again!

 

John

Isnt that the flavour of animal suffering?!

>

 

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Because they're trying to be more descriptive, so we know better what we are getting. If they just called it Vegan Chow Mien then it could be just veggies, no meat-like substance in it. Someone looking for more than veggies would want something else. Someone who doesn't like meat substitutes would be disappointed because they didn't expect the fake chicken.

 

Kinda like a restaurant having chicken soup and beef soup and just calling it soup.

 

 

Take care,

Tammy

 

 

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swpgh01

Saturday, July 12, 2003 10:43 AM

Re: RE: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs

The point is why do they have to call it fake chicken chow mien? presumably it is either tofu or tvp? Why not just call it vegan chow mien?The valley vegan....> Tonight, I had fake chicken chow mein from the vegan place down Archway.>Twas wonderful. Been vegan 13 years, veggie 17. Probably tastes nothing like>chicken - my memory's not that good.>> > swpgh01 [swpgh01]> Thursday, July 03, 2003 6:25 PM> > Animal Alternative Foodstuffs>>>

[Guest guest]

I don't think it's defeatist at all. If companies can give people great

alternatives to animal products that taste great, but are cruelty-free, and

it helps people either reduce their dead animal consumption or go veg*an

entirely, that's a good thing. It may defeatist to you, but the analogues

help me greatly. I think there's enough of a difference not to bother me.

 

Danielle

 

 

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Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs

Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:40:50 GMT+01:00

 

Who is talking about boycotting anything, I was only trying to start a new

thread! My personal opinion on which is that having an alternative to animal

products that look and taste the same seems a bit self defeatist as a vegan

- i would not want to be reminded of the animal version and suffering every

time i eat the facsimile, it would destroy whatever appetite i had to start

with!

The Valley Vegan....

> Hi Peter

>

> Whilst everyone is entitled to their own views and opinions as long as

they do not harm or

> force their view on anyone else, I personally do not see the point of

going vegetarian/vegan

> then wanting to eat something that tastes/looks like something that losts

its life for that > meal. Especially when there are so many vegan

alternatives/ingredients to make something

> more compassionate.

>

>I have to admit that this view makes me laugh a little. In the fields near

where I live there are cows and sheep, but I don't see many sausages or

strips of bacon running around, last time I looked in a pond I didn't see

many bread-coated sticks swimming around - perhaps they were hibernating?

>

>Personally, I went vegetarian (then vegan) because I didn't want to harm

animals - I can honestly say that although there are many reasons why I

would never again eat meat, taste has never been and never will be a

consideration in that decision.

>

>Why would you want to boycott something that does no harm purely because

is it manufactured in the same shape as something which is manufactured by

doing harm, or because it has a similar taste to something else?

>

>BB

>Peter

>

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I have recently gone veggie. I stopped eating meat completely about

two weeks ago but I still consume dairy products. I had been

exploring it for several months prior. Several months ago I bought

some gardenburgers to try and I thought they were not as good as the

real thing but good enough to eat one, once a week. My favorite is

garden burger veggie medley (vegetarian but not vegan). I recently

tried some tofu dogs and I thought that they were just as good as the

real thing. I have not tried fake chicken so I don't know if it even

takes like chicken, looks like chicken or has the same texture.

 

These products are helping me make the switch and are great for

people like me who don't like a lot of vegetables and want some meat

like substance in the diet.

[Guest guest]

Here here! It helps me and my husband and the two Vegans we know in WI. It also helps in that my family wouldn't even consider eating at our place without them. Invite them over for all rice, beans, veggies...yeah right! This way we get them to eat Vegan every now and then. Even if they'll never go Vege (which they won't, trust me) at least that's something.

 

Take care,

Tammy

 

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Danielle Kichler

Saturday, July 12, 2003 6:09 PM

Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs

I don't think it's defeatist at all. If companies can give people great alternatives to animal products that taste great, but are cruelty-free, and it helps people either reduce their dead animal consumption or go veg*an entirely, that's a good thing. It may defeatist to you, but the analogues help me greatly. I think there's enough of a difference not to bother me.Danielle----Original Message Follows----swpgh01Reply- To: Subject: Re: Animal Alternative FoodstuffsSat, 12 Jul 2003 15:40:50 GMT+01:00Who is talking about boycotting anything, I was only trying to start a new thread! My personal opinion on which is that having an alternative to animal products that look and taste the same seems a bit self defeatist as a vegan - i would not want to be reminded of the animal version and suffering every time i eat the facsimile, it would destroy whatever appetite i had to start with!The Valley Vegan....

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me and my friends have vege/vegan barbeques. vege sausages and burgers are great for these, although i do have one friend who wont eat the meat substitutes so she has things like vege fingers, but i love it its so much fun - and doesnt smell anywhere near as bad as an ordinary barbeque.

Also the meat eaters are happy to eat vege in fact we have one friend who altho he eats meat throws veg*n barbeques too!!!!

 

but i love the meat altenatives just because im not very adventurous when it comes to food so they add a bit more choice to my menu, i do want to broaden my horizons with food, but i thin its gonna take time.

 

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Oh come on! I think it's a good thing that there are meat substitutes. Many people like the taste of meat but want to go vegan for ethical and environmental reasons, to me that is more admirable than someone who goes vegetarian because meat grosses them out. If someone says "I love the taste of meat but I can't stand to see animal suffering" than I know that person has a conscious. If they want to eat something that tastes like meat what skin is it off my back? It's not causing any suffering, and actually it is saving quite a bit, because it helps many people become and stay vegetarian who might not otherwise. Also, once people have been vegetarian or vegan for a while, I think in general they tend to eat less of that stuff than they did during the transition period. Their bodies adjust to eating a grain based diet and don't crave it as much. No matter how far you have gone on the wrong road, turn back. -Turkish proverbFact: Each gallon of gas

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Try Gardenburger Flame Grilled Chik'n Grilll. It's like un-breaded chicken patties. Gardenburger also makes a real good BBQ ribs. It reminds me of chopped meat formed into short rib sized pieces with a wonderful (not spicy) BBQ sauce already on them. Enjoy. Oh, and for the hotdogs I & my hubby like the best are Loma Linda canned Linkettes (most like normal hot dogs) and Big Franks (Fatter and lots of added taste).

 

Take care,

Tammy

 

 

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luckyducky22

Saturday, July 12, 2003 9:13 PM

Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs

I have recently gone veggie. I stopped eating meat completely about two weeks ago but I still consume dairy products. I had been exploring it for several months prior. Several months ago I bought some gardenburgers to try and I thought they were not as good as the real thing but good enough to eat one, once a week. My favorite is garden burger veggie medley (vegetarian but not vegan). I recently tried some tofu dogs and I thought that they were just as good as the real thing. I have not tried fake chicken so I don't know if it even takes like chicken, looks like chicken or has the same texture. These products are helping me make the switch and are great for people like me who don't like a lot of vegetables and want some meat like substance in the diet. To send an email to -

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I agree. unless they start putting in fake bones / veins in the fake

chicken i'm all for fake meats. What bothers me a lot more is all of

the lacto-ovo vegetarian foods that I've gotten in the past, thinking

they vegan, only to realize i overlooked casein, whey protein, or egg

whites. why do they have to ruin all these great foods with dairy /

egg products? that isn't rhetorical, seriously, does anyone have an

answer?

 

 

, " Danielle Kichler "

<veggietart@h...> wrote:

> I don't think it's defeatist at all. If companies can give people

great

> alternatives to animal products that taste great, but are cruelty-

free, and

> it helps people either reduce their dead animal consumption or go

veg*an

> entirely, that's a good thing. It may defeatist to you, but the

analogues

> help me greatly. I think there's enough of a difference not to

bother me.

>

> Danielle

>

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Hi Dave

 

> why do they have to ruin all these great foods with dairy / > egg products? that isn't rhetorical, seriously, does anyone have an > answer?

I don't have an answer, but the one that always baffles me is the addition of casein to some soy cheeses... I mean, what's the point of a soy cheese if it's not dairy free????

 

BB

Peter

 

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Hello. I agree. There's a simple saying I read somewhere..don't remember where. As time goes on I keep finding out, more and more, just how true it is.

 

We crave what we're used to.

 

 

Take care,

Tammy

 

 

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Surya Burdick

Sunday, July 13, 2003 10:39 AM

Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs

 

Oh come on! I think it's a good thing that there are meat substitutes. Many people like the taste of meat but want to go vegan for ethical and environmental reasons, to me that is more admirable than someone who goes vegetarian because meat grosses them out. If someone says "I love the taste of meat but I can't stand to see animal suffering" than I know that person has a conscious. If they want to eat something that tastes like meat what skin is it off my back? It's not causing any suffering, and actually it is saving quite a bit, because it helps many people become and stay vegetarian who might not otherwise. Also, once people have been vegetarian or vegan for a while, I think in general they tend to eat less of that stuff than they did during the transition period. Their bodies adjust to eating a grain based diet and don't crave it as much.

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This is just a guess...maybe casein doesn't affect those with lactose intolerance? I think it also greatly affects the texture/firmness of cheese somehow. I tried a rice cheese that was made with rice milk, but had casein in it and it felt/tasted much closer to dairy cheese than any Vegan cheese I've ever had (and I've tried lots).

 

As for whey, I have no idea. Best I could guess is habit. I can't see what difference it could make as an identical product, bread, etc., made without whey has the same taste/texture.

 

Take care,

Tammy

 

 

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Peter

Sunday, July 13, 2003 4:30 PM

Re: Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs

 

Hi Dave

 

> why do they have to ruin all these great foods with dairy / > egg products? that isn't rhetorical, seriously, does anyone have an > answer?

I don't have an answer, but the one that always baffles me is the addition of casein to some soy cheeses... I mean, what's the point of a soy cheese if it's not dairy free????

 

BB

Peter

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Re: Re: Animal Alternative Foodstuffs

Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:30:48 +0100

 

Hi Dave

 

> why do they have to ruin all these great foods with dairy /

> egg products? that isn't rhetorical, seriously, does anyone have an

> answer?

 

I don't have an answer, but the one that always baffles me is the addition

of casein to some soy cheeses... I mean, what's the point of a soy cheese if

it's not dairy free????

 

BB

Peter

 

 

For the lactose intolerant, maybe?

 

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Hey! You stole my answer!

 

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----Original Message Follows----"Peter" <metalscarab To: Re: Re: Animal Alternative FoodstuffsSun, 13 Jul 2003 22:30:48 +0100Hi Dave> why do they have to ruin all these great foods with dairy /> egg products? that isn't rhetorical, seriously, does anyone have an> answer?I don't have an answer, but the one that always baffles me is the addition of casein to some soy cheeses... I mean, what's the point of a soy cheese if it's not dairy free????BBPeterFor the lactose intolerant, maybe?