A painful lesson

[Guest guest]

anyone see " my big fat greek wedding " ?

 

there was a family member that used windex for all skin disorders?

 

it was good for a laugh but they were right...ammonia kills bacteria.

 

urine is sterile and drinkable until it decays. Some people swear by

drinking it for various maladies..uh..i dont..but its got its

purposes..

 

american indians used it for bleach.

 

just a lil sumpin for trivial pursuit...

 

anna

 

On 6/13/07, neal <kneel.pardoe wrote:

> On Wednesday 13 June 2007 12:49, Caron wrote:

> > -

> > neal

> >

> > >The best possible thing you could use would be his own urine. It is

> > >marvelous stuff. Gently massage it into the affected areas and let it

> dry,

> > >let him play outside. There won't be any smell, especially as you seem to

> > >provide a 'good' diet for him anyway. This is from direct experience.

> >

> > Thanks for the suggestion, Neal. Not sure if he'd agree to this, having

> > just got rid of nappies, hehe. His urine seemed to burn him when he was

> > still in night nappies - he had horrible ammonia burns on his thighs and

> > " bits " . I know it requires bacterial processing to turn to ammonia, but if

> > it's a bit acid, it might sting a bit, no?

>

> If my understanding is correct, urea will naturally start to break down when

> exposed the the air (probably the oxygen in it) and one of the substances

> that it breaks down into is ammonia. So wrapped in clothe that holds ammonia

> to the skin for several hours will obviously cause problems. That wasn't

> what I suggested above.

>

> Try getting him to agree to you just treating just a small patch first. Give

> it a half hour for it to work then ask him what its like, compare the

> treated

> part with the untreated. Make it a fun thing to do. Perhaps it is a secret

> treatment that you've discovered. Kids love secrets! Carry your own concerns

> and that is what he'll pick up on.

>

> Lets just clarify, urine is NOT a waste product. It is a by-product of the

> filtering and balancing action of the kidneys. Our 'response' to urine is a

> product of our potty training.

>

> neal.

> >

> > >p.s. eating dirt for very young children is good for them not because

> they

> > >learn it tastes bad, (which I would contend they dont, they are *taught*

> > >that by parents), but because it both helps them develop a strong immune

> > >system AND has good mineral value. There is even a word for eating dirt

> as

> > >a dietry action. " Geophagy " . It was once a common practise for many.

> > >

> > >Alas, even our soil is toxic these days. Just one more of the free and

> > >natural ways lost to us.

> >

> > I know this, and actually don't have a problem with him playing in the mud

> > - it's still one of my favourite things to do, hehe (my mother, on the

> > other hand, hated it, because she had to wash our clothes). There are 3

> > major problems with it though: A: it hardly ever rains here, so finding

> mud

> > is a mission, B: my parents' place is the only place I've ever seen mud

> > when it does rain, and they have thousands upon thousands of shards of

> > broken glass through their soil, due to a hundred years of broken bottles

> > (or so it seems), and every time it rains, more come to the surface, and

> C:

> > my boy HATES mud, will not touch it, and if he gets any on him, he screams

> > until I wash it off. I have no idea why, absolutely none at all, but

> that's

> > how it is. He also gets very upset if he gets food on his face or clothes,

> > or if he spills water on the floor, everything has to be clean. Good for

> > me, he's been cleaning my house since about 6 months of age, hehe.

> >

> > Anyway, back to the tasting, I remember tasting mud, and not finding it

> > overly pleasant. He's never tasted mud, but never ate sand either, which

> > most kids seem to eat by the bucketful. He did get sand in his mouth once

> > at the playground, and had a pink fit until I washed it all out. Not sure

> > how it works as a dietary thing, but exposure to bacteria can help the

> > immune system.

> >

> > Caron

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

neal

>If my understanding is correct, urea will naturally start to break down

>when

exposed the the air (probably the oxygen in it) and one of the substances

that it breaks down into is ammonia. So wrapped in clothe that holds ammonia

to the skin for several hours will obviously cause problems. That wasn't

what I suggested above.

>Lets just clarify, urine is NOT a waste product. It is a by-product of the

filtering and balancing action of the kidneys. Our 'response' to urine is a

product of our potty training.

 

My problem with the urine isn't that it's urine, but that it has burnt him

in the past. I know that urine is sterile until exposed to air (it's the

bacteria in the air, not the oxygen, that causes the urea to break down to

ammonia), and it's never worried me, except for the effect it has on his

skin. He has insanely sensitive skin, which reacts to everything - it's

horrible when it flares up, but it's good too, because it's my first

indication, in most cases, that he's come across or been exposed to

something nasty.

 

Thanks again, Neal

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

-

Anna Bishop

>dont assume its not infected with simple bacteria..particularly if hes

been scratching.

 

>neals suggestion is not far off..ammonia kills bacteria...urine

sometimes cures skin issues very nicely....in his case though if hes

got fungus itll hurt or make it flare....if its not curing it could be

fungul and bacterial...

 

This is the third day of the rash, and it's down to peeling dry skin, in

between the scratches, so I put some breastmilk on it to help with healing,

and to stop the itching, and cut his fingernails just in case. It doesn't

look infected at this stage, but I'm keeping an eye on it, and will see how

it goes. Thanks for the suggestions, Anna )

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

oh wonderful....if its drying then youre good...breastmilk is

brilliant!....the fat is very high quality for moisturizing...yet very

light...great idea!

 

when my nipples cracked after nursing i would rub milk itself on

it...and it helped a lot...i didnt want thick lanolin on it...nor the

baby eating the lanolin....

 

i had totally forgotten that....

 

peace

anna

 

On 6/13/07, Caron <carongroups wrote:

>

> -

> Anna Bishop

> >dont assume its not infected with simple bacteria..particularly if hes

> been scratching.

>

> >neals suggestion is not far off..ammonia kills bacteria...urine

> sometimes cures skin issues very nicely....in his case though if hes

> got fungus itll hurt or make it flare....if its not curing it could be

> fungul and bacterial...

>

> This is the third day of the rash, and it's down to peeling dry skin, in

> between the scratches, so I put some breastmilk on it to help with healing,

> and to stop the itching, and cut his fingernails just in case. It doesn't

> look infected at this stage, but I'm keeping an eye on it, and will see how

> it goes. Thanks for the suggestions, Anna )

>

> Caron

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

Anna Bishop

>oh wonderful....if its drying then youre good...breastmilk is

brilliant!....the fat is very high quality for moisturizing...yet very

light...great idea!

>when my nipples cracked after nursing i would rub milk itself on

it...and it helped a lot...i didnt want thick lanolin on it...nor the

baby eating the lanolin....

 

yep, it's great for all kinds of things. There's a lady in our cloth nappy

who recommends it for everything, from nappy rash to sunburn to

chicken pox, to cuts and grazes - she even give it to her husband to drink

when he's sick, hehe. I've thought about trying it for myself, to see if it

would improve my health, but have never been able to express much at a time.

Plus my boy's a bit greedy when it comes to his milk, hehe. I did use

lanolin when he was first born, just a tiny smear, but I don't think I could

have kept feeding without it. I did try the milk, but didn't find it worked

so well as people said it would. The lanolin I used is a chemical free one,

though I'm still looking for an organic brand to use for lanolising wool

nappy covers.

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

Why not stop doing everything ... because everything you are doing is

interfering with the body's own healing processes ... and have the child

fast on water only for about 24-36 hours?

 

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Caron

Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:25 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] A painful lesson

 

 

This is the third day of the rash, and it's down to peeling dry skin, in

between the scratches, so I put some breastmilk on it to help with healing,

and to stop the itching, and cut his fingernails just in case. It doesn't

look infected at this stage, but I'm keeping an eye on it, and will see how

it goes. Thanks for the suggestions, Anna )

 

Caron

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Water moisturizes, fat closes off the pores and impairs normal skin

function.

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Anna Bishop

Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:48 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] A painful lesson

 

 

oh wonderful....if its drying then youre good...breastmilk is

brilliant!....the fat is very high quality for moisturizing...yet very

light...great idea!

 

when my nipples cracked after nursing i would rub milk itself on

it...and it helped a lot...i didnt want thick lanolin on it...nor the

baby eating the lanolin....

 

i had totally forgotten that....

 

peace

anna

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

will the baby tolerate 36hrs of water caron?

 

On 6/13/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Why not stop doing everything ... because everything you are doing is

> interfering with the body's own healing processes ... and have the child

> fast on water only for about 24-36 hours?

>

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf

> Of

> Caron

> Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:25 PM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] A painful lesson

>

>

> This is the third day of the rash, and it's down to peeling dry skin, in

> between the scratches, so I put some breastmilk on it to help with

> healing,

> and to stop the itching, and cut his fingernails just in case. It doesn't

> look infected at this stage, but I'm keeping an eye on it, and will see

> how

> it goes. Thanks for the suggestions, Anna )

>

> Caron

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

Elchanan

>Why not stop doing everything ... because everything you are doing is

interfering with the body's own healing processes ... and have the child

fast on water only for about 24-36 hours?

 

Thanks for the laugh, Elchanan ;o) I know you weren't trying to be funny,

but if you knew my boy, and how impossible it is to have him go even a short

while without eating...Also it was great timing, as I'm trying to convince

him that he does NOT need to eat more, after all he's eaten today. He had

his usual half dozen bananas for breakfast, then scoffed down a few dozen

almonds before I noticed that he was being very quiet, and chucked a tanty

when I put them away, then he ate a huge avocado (if I didn't know it was

certified organic, I could have sworn it was radioactive, it was at least

twice the size of a regular avocado!), then said his tummy was full, and

went to play, then I went into the kitchen a few minutes later to find him

into the almonds again, so I put them up, and told him no more or he'd be

sick, explaining the concept of " too much of a good thing " , then he had some

of my orange juice, then he had an apple, and has just finished a tub of

cooked veges. He's had breastfeeds in between, and is currently pestering me

for another one, 5 minutes after finishing his veges. Oh, and he's been to

the potty 4 times today, and it's only 4pm (usually once in the morning,

occasionally twice a day). He drives me nuts some days!

 

So, how do I get that fast happening?? (serious question here, I think it

might do him good, though I'd probably keep the breastfeeds up)

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

On Thursday 14 June 2007 00:23, Caron wrote:

> My problem with the urine isn't that it's urine, but that it has burnt him

> in the past. I know that urine is sterile until exposed to air (it's the

> bacteria in the air, not the oxygen, that causes the urea to break down to

> ammonia), and it's never worried me, except for the effect it has on his

> skin. He has insanely sensitive skin, which reacts to everything - it's

> horrible when it flares up, but it's good too, because it's my first

> indication, in most cases, that he's come across or been exposed to

> something nasty.

>

> Thanks again, Neal

>

> Caron

 

OK,

 

I am only posting from my own experience and regularly use Urine on my skin

(it's the urea in it), but it has always been that days early morning harvest

used. It does not burn at all, in fact it is extremely soothing very quickly

and it is the most miraculous substance for treating burns, again from direct

experience.

 

I have drunk it a number of times in the past to successfully treat various

problems such as chest infections, and I now drink it daily and have done for

the last 18 months or so, as a health drink and to treat my arthritis.

 

You posted about a problem, I posted a possible solution, nothing more. There

is no expectation. I'm not trying to convince you of anything and I'd add you

should not believe a word I say, ever!

 

neal.

[Guest guest]

Caron,

 

My 2 cents....

 

I think you are right on and a great mom.

 

 

Jeannie

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

Caron <carongroups

rawfood

Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:07:28 PM

Re: [Raw Food] A painful lesson

 

 

-

Deanna

>But he's two - or almost three. Still very young and his curiosity is much

>stronger than your words at this age. You sound very intelligent. I'm sure

>you understand that a 3 year old will be defiant, it's their nature. If he

>you told him this for 3 years, surely you don't believe he's been

>comprehending it for three years. Even if he completely comprehends it now,

>he will rebel. I hope he doesn't get seriously ill rebelling, but odds are

>he will find junk food and eat it at some other point in his childhood.

 

Yes, he is 2 (3 in a couple of months), and contrary to popular belief,

young children, and even infants, are capable of understanding far more than

most people give them credit for. As a newborn, my son understood " mama's

coming, honey " when he cried for a feed, and would wait for 15 minutes or

more while I struggled upright with my slashed'n'stitched stomach muscles so

I could pick him up. It wasn't tone, because I tried the same tone with

different words, and it didn't have the same effect. Other infants I've come

across have had the same capabilities for comprehension, when spoken to like

a person, instead of as a puppy or inanimate object. I also tend to explain

things far more thoroughly than most people would, because as a toddler I

found it extremely irritating when my mother would say " no " , but wouldn't

tell me why.

 

I do understand that children rebell, and need to find their own way, but

when it comes to my son's safety and wellbeing, I will not compromise. He's

thrown tantrums about holding my hand to walk near a road - I don't

negotiate, I pick him up, so he can't throw himself on the road, and explain

to him exactly what will happen if he does go on the road. I have a

responsibility as a parent to teach him how to stay alive and well. I would

be doing him a disservice if I didn't come down HARD on disobedience when it

comes to safety, and that includes food that will make him sick. There are

some things I'll let him learn the hard way, like today when he threw a toy

into the neighbour's yard and it got lost in the grass - I pointed out that

he doesn't have his toy now because he threw it, which I've been asking him

not to do (usually because of the risk of breakage of the toy or something

else), and hopefully we won't have any more throwing of toys. But I can't

let him learn safety lessons like that, in ways that cause him physical pain

or damage.

 

A lot of people think I'm being too hard on him, because I won't let him

have " treats " like chocolate or lollies, or because I make him say please

and thankyou, or because I ask him to hold his tantrum till we get home, and

speak in a pleasant way to other people. Yet if I didn't do those things,

the comments wouldn't be about how well-mannered, how happy and well

adjusted, and how pleasant he is, they would be about what a terrible parent

I am because I'm not teaching my child properly, or worse, that he's a

problem child, or a nuisance. He is allowed to make choices, about what he

wears, what he eats (within the guidelines of food that is good for him),

how he plays (as long as nothing is broken), what music he listens to, and

so on, but unless his choice is to obey safety rules, that's my call.

 

Caron

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Where is the documentation for the use of urine on a rash? Urine becomes like

amonia. It burns. I can't see how it is going to help a rash.

 

Jeannie

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

neal <kneel.pardoe

rawfood

Wednesday, June 13, 2007 7:18:44 AM

Re: [Raw Food] A painful lesson

 

 

On Wednesday 13 June 2007 01:35, Caron wrote:

> -

> Anna Bishop

>

> >have you tried zinc powder on the rash? should dry it right up.

>

> The rash is very dry already (think ouchy cracky, scaly, raised skin), and

> he's allergic to zinc. They put it on him when he was born, because the

> jaundice made his bum a bit red, and it gave him 3rd degree burns. Their

> solution? " Oh, just keep putting the zinc cream on until it's better... "

> Thanks for the suggestion though ) We're on our way out now, so I'll see

> if I can get some calendula cream for him. It's about all I can use on him

> without making things worse.

>

> Caron

 

The best possible thing you could use would be his own urine. It is marvelous

stuff. Gently massage it into the affected areas and let it dry, let him play

outside. There won't be any smell, especially as you seem to provide a 'good'

diet for him anyway. This is from direct experience.

 

neal.

 

p.s. eating dirt for very young children is good for them not because they learn

it tastes bad, (which I would contend they dont, they are *taught* that by

parents), but because it both helps them develop a strong immune system AND has

good mineral value. There is even a word for eating dirt as a dietry action.

" Geophagy " . It was once a common practise for many.

 

Alas, even our soil is toxic these days. Just one more of the free and natural

ways lost to us.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

it doesnt start out like strong ammonia...at least mine doesnt....8-)

 

and dont expect american medical assoc lab experiments EVER to back up

a treatment that people can use for themselves from themselves for

free!..they study ONLY what can make big pharma money. They freely

admit it.

 

if youre going to jump to using AMA/ADA approved methods you render

this entire group meaningless. For those people consider us extremist

uneducated idiots..

 

you cant have it both ways.

 

either you distrust mainstream medicine or you dont. I trust it

*sometimes* and distrust it *all the time*. They DO NOT have your best

interest at heart.

 

why would you suddenly look to mainstream medicine to back up a

natural remedy? This makes no sense to me. Help me out here.....

 

thanks

anna

 

On 6/14/07, jeannieh h <jeannieh99 wrote:

> Where is the documentation for the use of urine on a rash? Urine becomes

> like amonia. It burns. I can't see how it is going to help a rash.

>

> Jeannie

>

> your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

>

>

>

>

> neal <kneel.pardoe

> rawfood

> Wednesday, June 13, 2007 7:18:44 AM

> Re: [Raw Food] A painful lesson

>

>

> On Wednesday 13 June 2007 01:35, Caron wrote:

> > -

> > Anna Bishop

> >

> > >have you tried zinc powder on the rash? should dry it right up.

> >

> > The rash is very dry already (think ouchy cracky, scaly, raised skin), and

> > he's allergic to zinc. They put it on him when he was born, because the

> > jaundice made his bum a bit red, and it gave him 3rd degree burns. Their

> > solution? " Oh, just keep putting the zinc cream on until it's better... "

> > Thanks for the suggestion though ) We're on our way out now, so I'll see

> > if I can get some calendula cream for him. It's about all I can use on him

> > without making things worse.

> >

> > Caron

>

> The best possible thing you could use would be his own urine. It is

> marvelous stuff. Gently massage it into the affected areas and let it dry,

> let him play outside. There won't be any smell, especially as you seem to

> provide a 'good' diet for him anyway. This is from direct experience.

>

> neal.

>

> p.s. eating dirt for very young children is good for them not because they

> learn it tastes bad, (which I would contend they dont, they are *taught*

> that by parents), but because it both helps them develop a strong immune

> system AND has good mineral value. There is even a word for eating dirt as a

> dietry action. " Geophagy " . It was once a common practise for many.

>

> Alas, even our soil is toxic these days. Just one more of the free and

> natural ways lost to us.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

im assuming by documentation you mean clinical experiments and their results...

 

no one of any consequence funds those for natural treatments. Just fyi.

 

theres no money in it.

 

which is why natural treatments are usually anecdotal.

 

peace

anna

 

On 6/14/07, jeannieh h <jeannieh99 wrote:

> Where is the documentation for the use of urine on a rash? Urine becomes

> like amonia. It burns. I can't see how it is going to help a rash.

>

> Jeannie

>

> your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

>

>

>

>

> neal <kneel.pardoe

> rawfood

> Wednesday, June 13, 2007 7:18:44 AM

> Re: [Raw Food] A painful lesson

>

>

> On Wednesday 13 June 2007 01:35, Caron wrote:

> > -

> > Anna Bishop

> >

> > >have you tried zinc powder on the rash? should dry it right up.

> >

> > The rash is very dry already (think ouchy cracky, scaly, raised skin), and

> > he's allergic to zinc. They put it on him when he was born, because the

> > jaundice made his bum a bit red, and it gave him 3rd degree burns. Their

> > solution? " Oh, just keep putting the zinc cream on until it's better... "

> > Thanks for the suggestion though ) We're on our way out now, so I'll see

> > if I can get some calendula cream for him. It's about all I can use on him

> > without making things worse.

> >

> > Caron

>

> The best possible thing you could use would be his own urine. It is

> marvelous stuff. Gently massage it into the affected areas and let it dry,

> let him play outside. There won't be any smell, especially as you seem to

> provide a 'good' diet for him anyway. This is from direct experience.

>

> neal.

>

> p.s. eating dirt for very young children is good for them not because they

> learn it tastes bad, (which I would contend they dont, they are *taught*

> that by parents), but because it both helps them develop a strong immune

> system AND has good mineral value. There is even a word for eating dirt as a

> dietry action. " Geophagy " . It was once a common practise for many.

>

> Alas, even our soil is toxic these days. Just one more of the free and

> natural ways lost to us.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I also, can not get past this " urine " remedy. I know I've always heard of

people in India drinking it. I just would rather find a cure in Raw food.

 

I'm sure that many people have their " tried and true " home remedies, However, I

have always known urine to be a " waste " " by product " of what is " washed out of

our bodies " . I could not see it being a " cure " for anything.

 

That's just me...

 

Jeannie

 

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

 

 

 

 

neal <kneel.pardoe

rawfood

Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:08:51 AM

Re: [Raw Food] A painful lesson

 

 

On Thursday 14 June 2007 00:23, Caron wrote:

> My problem with the urine isn't that it's urine, but that it has burnt him

> in the past. I know that urine is sterile until exposed to air (it's the

> bacteria in the air, not the oxygen, that causes the urea to break down to

> ammonia), and it's never worried me, except for the effect it has on his

> skin. He has insanely sensitive skin, which reacts to everything - it's

> horrible when it flares up, but it's good too, because it's my first

> indication, in most cases, that he's come across or been exposed to

> something nasty.

>

> Thanks again, Neal

>

> Caron

 

OK,

 

I am only posting from my own experience and regularly use Urine on my skin

(it's the urea in it), but it has always been that days early morning harvest

used. It does not burn at all, in fact it is extremely soothing very quickly

and it is the most miraculous substance for treating burns, again from direct

experience.

 

I have drunk it a number of times in the past to successfully treat various

problems such as chest infections, and I now drink it daily and have done for

the last 18 months or so, as a health drink and to treat my arthritis.

 

You posted about a problem, I posted a possible solution, nothing more. There

is no expectation. I'm not trying to convince you of anything and I'd add you

should not believe a word I say, ever!

 

neal.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

On Thursday 14 June 2007 13:48, jeannieh h wrote:

> Where is the documentation for the use of urine on a rash?  Urine becomes

> like amonia. It burns. I can't see how it is going to help a rash.  

>

> Jeannie

 

If you want documentation I have posted a link on another response today.

 

What I post is from my own direct experience. i.e. using it. I agree, ammonia

is unlikely to help a rash. But then no one suggested putting ammonia on a

rash.

 

neal.

[Guest guest]

On Thursday 14 June 2007 15:46, Anna Bishop wrote:

> nope...

>

> the ammonia comment was from me about what in urine cud be

> anticeptic...that wud be ammonia...

 

Ah, but there is no ammonia in it. The ammonia only appears as a chemical by

product once exposed to the air. I could not drink it if it contained

ammonia, ammonia is poisonous IIUC.

 

>

> and the windex joke from that movie.....THEY used it for rashes.....it

> was fffuunnyyyy......

 

there was also aparently a 'Friends' episode where one was stung by a jelly

fish and the others all urinated on it.

pooh pooh! LOL

 

>

> lol...gosh internet groups can be so entertaining!

 

oh yeah.

 

> peace y'all

> anna

>

> On 6/14/07, neal <kneel.pardoe wrote:

> > On Thursday 14 June 2007 13:48, jeannieh h wrote:

> > > Where is the documentation for the use of urine on a rash? Urine

> > > becomes like amonia. It burns. I can't see how it is going to help a

> > > rash.

> > >

> > > Jeannie

> >

> > If you want documentation I have posted a link on another response today.

> >

> > What I post is from my own direct experience. i.e. using it. I agree,

> > ammonia

> > is unlikely to help a rash. But then no one suggested putting ammonia on

> > a rash.

> >

> > neal.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Is the urine not exposed to the air before you drink it?

Or does it take some time for it to convert to amonia?

 

Belinda

 

 

>

> On Thursday 14 June 2007 15:46, Anna Bishop wrote:

> > nope...

> >

> > the ammonia comment was from me about what in urine cud be

> > anticeptic...that wud be ammonia...

>

> Ah, but there is no ammonia in it. The ammonia only appears as a

chemical by

> product once exposed to the air. I could not drink it if it

contained

> ammonia, ammonia is poisonous IIUC.

>

> >

> > and the windex joke from that movie.....THEY used it for

rashes.....it

> > was fffuunnyyyy......

>

> there was also aparently a 'Friends' episode where one was stung by

a jelly

> fish and the others all urinated on it.

> pooh pooh! LOL

>

> >

> > lol...gosh internet groups can be so entertaining!

>

> oh yeah.

>

> > peace y'all

> > anna

> >

> > On 6/14/07, neal <kneel.pardoe wrote:

> > > On Thursday 14 June 2007 13:48, jeannieh h wrote:

> > > > Where is the documentation for the use of urine on a rash?

Urine

> > > > becomes like amonia. It burns. I can't see how it is going to

help a

> > > > rash.

> > > >

> > > > Jeannie

> > >

> > > If you want documentation I have posted a link on another

response today.

> > >

> > > What I post is from my own direct experience. i.e. using it. I

agree,

> > > ammonia

> > > is unlikely to help a rash. But then no one suggested putting

ammonia on

> > > a rash.

> > >

> > > neal.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

thank you for the clarification...

 

and im sorry i missed that friends episode...im crying just picturing

it..it HAD to be hysterical!!

 

anna

 

On 6/14/07, neal <kneel.pardoe wrote:

> On Thursday 14 June 2007 15:46, Anna Bishop wrote:

> > nope...

> >

> > the ammonia comment was from me about what in urine cud be

> > anticeptic...that wud be ammonia...

>

> Ah, but there is no ammonia in it. The ammonia only appears as a chemical by

> product once exposed to the air. I could not drink it if it contained

> ammonia, ammonia is poisonous IIUC.

>

> >

> > and the windex joke from that movie.....THEY used it for rashes.....it

> > was fffuunnyyyy......

>

> there was also aparently a 'Friends' episode where one was stung by a jelly

> fish and the others all urinated on it.

> pooh pooh! LOL

>

> >

> > lol...gosh internet groups can be so entertaining!

>

> oh yeah.

>

> > peace y'all

> > anna

> >

> > On 6/14/07, neal <kneel.pardoe wrote:

> > > On Thursday 14 June 2007 13:48, jeannieh h wrote:

> > > > Where is the documentation for the use of urine on a rash? Urine

> > > > becomes like amonia. It burns. I can't see how it is going to help a

> > > > rash.

> > > >

> > > > Jeannie

> > >

> > > If you want documentation I have posted a link on another response

> today.

> > >

> > > What I post is from my own direct experience. i.e. using it. I agree,

> > > ammonia

> > > is unlikely to help a rash. But then no one suggested putting ammonia on

> > > a rash.

> > >

> > > neal.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

i understand it has to sit a while to become ammonia...

 

am curious how long too....

 

anna

 

On 6/14/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> Is the urine not exposed to the air before you drink it?

> Or does it take some time for it to convert to amonia?

>

> Belinda

>

>

> >

> > On Thursday 14 June 2007 15:46, Anna Bishop wrote:

> > > nope...

> > >

> > > the ammonia comment was from me about what in urine cud be

> > > anticeptic...that wud be ammonia...

> >

> > Ah, but there is no ammonia in it. The ammonia only appears as a

> chemical by

> > product once exposed to the air. I could not drink it if it

> contained

> > ammonia, ammonia is poisonous IIUC.

> >

> > >

> > > and the windex joke from that movie.....THEY used it for

> rashes.....it

> > > was fffuunnyyyy......

> >

> > there was also aparently a 'Friends' episode where one was stung by

> a jelly

> > fish and the others all urinated on it.

> > pooh pooh! LOL

> >

> > >

> > > lol...gosh internet groups can be so entertaining!

> >

> > oh yeah.

> >

> > > peace y'all

> > > anna

> > >

> > > On 6/14/07, neal <kneel.pardoe wrote:

> > > > On Thursday 14 June 2007 13:48, jeannieh h wrote:

> > > > > Where is the documentation for the use of urine on a rash?

> Urine

> > > > > becomes like amonia. It burns. I can't see how it is going to

> help a

> > > > > rash.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jeannie

> > > >

> > > > If you want documentation I have posted a link on another

> response today.

> > > >

> > > > What I post is from my own direct experience. i.e. using it. I

> agree,

> > > > ammonia

> > > > is unlikely to help a rash. But then no one suggested putting

> ammonia on

> > > > a rash.

> > > >

> > > > neal.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Okay everyone.....

 

I know this to be true, from experience....

 

IF you ever get stung by a jellyfish, urine WILL help

it.

 

As gross as it may be/seem, and while I don't

understand how exactly it helps (meaning the chemistry

behind it), it does reduce pain and swelling of the

sting.

 

That being said, I've never had to pee on myself since

then.

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

LOL...

 

how funny...

 

you do not have to be afraid to admit it..

 

it works for some things...

 

we have happily established that...

 

shock and awe not withstanding...

 

thank you..though..thats fantastic..

 

anna

 

On 6/14/07, Kerri Hagan <twinkles457 wrote:

> Okay everyone.....

>

> I know this to be true, from experience....

>

> IF you ever get stung by a jellyfish, urine WILL help

> it.

>

> As gross as it may be/seem, and while I don't

> understand how exactly it helps (meaning the chemistry

> behind it), it does reduce pain and swelling of the

> sting.

>

> That being said, I've never had to pee on myself since

> then.

>

>

>

>

>

>

______________________________\

____

> Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all

> the tools to get online.

> http://smallbusiness./webhosting

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, indeed. Urine can help . and this is an example of a trauma involving a

specific poison, not of an ongoing health issue. In the presence of trauma,

famine, etc., we might do all sorts of things we might otherwise not choose

to do. Absolutely.

 

 

 

Best,

 

Elchanan

 

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Kerri Hagan

Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:45 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson

 

 

 

Okay everyone.....

 

I know this to be true, from experience....

 

IF you ever get stung by a jellyfish, urine WILL help

it.

 

As gross as it may be/seem, and while I don't

understand how exactly it helps (meaning the chemistry

behind it), it does reduce pain and swelling of the

sting.

 

That being said, I've never had to pee on myself since

then.

 

 

________

Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all

the tools to get online.

http://smallbusines <http://smallbusiness./webhosting>

s./webhosting

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Such as in the case several years ago when the med students/soccor

players crashed in the Andis Mountains.

As some may remember, they had to resort to consuming some of the

dead bodies in order to survive.

Gave them nourishment enough to survive until they were rescued.

 

As I remember, they too drank watered down urine as well.

 

Though both of these things saved their lives, wouldn' be recomended

on an ongoing bases.

 

Belinda

 

 

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Yes, indeed. Urine can help . and this is an example of a trauma

involving a

> specific poison, not of an ongoing health issue. In the presence of

trauma,

> famine, etc., we might do all sorts of things we might otherwise

not choose

> to do. Absolutely.

>

>

>

> Best,

>

> Elchanan

>

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Kerri Hagan

> Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:45 PM

> rawfood

> [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson

>

>

>

> Okay everyone.....

>

> I know this to be true, from experience....

>

> IF you ever get stung by a jellyfish, urine WILL help

> it.

>

> As gross as it may be/seem, and while I don't

> understand how exactly it helps (meaning the chemistry

> behind it), it does reduce pain and swelling of the

> sting.

>

> That being said, I've never had to pee on myself since

> then.

>

>

>

> ________

> Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives

you all

> the tools to get online.

> http://smallbusines <http://smallbusiness./webhosting>

> s./webhosting

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

why not?

 

ive seen a lot of disgust but no one.

no one..has shown empirical evidence that urine use is detrimental for

regular use.

 

yes..it can burn..it can be acidic..it turns into ammonia..all of

that...but where has harm been shown if used appropriately?

 

i think you guys are prejudiced against it and are arguing emotionally

but leaving out the substantive facts.

 

weve provided lots of successful uses...i have yet to hear ONE

example of poisoning or detriment when used right...

 

or did i miss it??

 

<wondering why the hostility....?>

 

anna

 

On 6/14/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote:

> Such as in the case several years ago when the med students/soccor

> players crashed in the Andis Mountains.

> As some may remember, they had to resort to consuming some of the

> dead bodies in order to survive.

> Gave them nourishment enough to survive until they were rescued.

>

> As I remember, they too drank watered down urine as well.

>

> Though both of these things saved their lives, wouldn' be recomended

> on an ongoing bases.

>

> Belinda

>

>

> rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

> >

> > Yes, indeed. Urine can help . and this is an example of a trauma

> involving a

> > specific poison, not of an ongoing health issue. In the presence of

> trauma,

> > famine, etc., we might do all sorts of things we might otherwise

> not choose

> > to do. Absolutely.

> >

> >

> >

> > Best,

> >

> > Elchanan

> >

> > _____

> >

> > rawfood [rawfood ] On

> Behalf Of

> > Kerri Hagan

> > Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:45 PM

> > rawfood

> > [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson

> >

> >

> >

> > Okay everyone.....

> >

> > I know this to be true, from experience....

> >

> > IF you ever get stung by a jellyfish, urine WILL help

> > it.

> >

> > As gross as it may be/seem, and while I don't

> > understand how exactly it helps (meaning the chemistry

> > behind it), it does reduce pain and swelling of the

> > sting.

> >

> > That being said, I've never had to pee on myself since

> > then.

> >

> >

> >

> > ________

> > Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives

> you all

> > the tools to get online.

> > http://smallbusines <http://smallbusiness./webhosting>

> > s./webhosting

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >