A painful lesson

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately, the lesson was my son's, but I hope he learned it well. We stay

at my parents' place on the weekends to housesit, and have a mini-holiday (they

have a couple of acres, it's like being in the bush, hehe). Usually the boy gets

up at the crack of dawn, and gets himself breakfast (fruit) while I have a sleep

in.

 

This weekend just gone, we had a long weekend, and on Monday morning I woke up

to a very irritating rustling sound, and caught a flash of blue out of the

corner of my eye. When I finally regained consciousness, and vision, I saw that

my 2yo, who has NEVER had junkfood in his life (apart from the gluten, egg, and

dairy free cake we had for his second birthday), had finished off the HUGE,

" family " sized bag of chips my parents had left on the bench. It had to have

been nearly half full.

 

Anyway, I ranted at him, told him he'd be lucky if his kidneys didn't explode on

the spot from all the salt, and made some fruit available to him (it was on the

bench in front of where the chips had been). He spent the day guzzling water,

but other than a sore belly, didn't show any adverse signs. He did have dry skin

on his face, but so did I, from the cold snap we had, so I didn't think anything

of it. Then he got the same rash on his bum cheeks, and spent a very miserable

and itchy night. The rash is spreading, and he had a hard time going potty this

morning.

 

I feel soooo sorry for it, because it looks so painful, specially around his

mouth. I really hope he learned from this (I've been reinforcing that it's

because he ate the chips), and never touches the junk again. I purposely didn't

let him have any of that, because my mother let my brothers and I have it as

kids, " as a treat " , and we've all been addicted ever since. My boy hasn't missed

out on anything, and he's had to learn that the hard way ( The good(?) thing

is they were plain, not flavoured, so he doesn't have to deal with all the

numbers as well.

 

Caron

 

 

[Guest guest]

holy moly...

 

what a great lesson...how many kids eat something like that with NO symptoms

and go on to tootally looove it??

 

you are actually very lucky,,or he is,, he may not know it for years,,but he

is..he

has a GREAT reason and excuse never to eat that stuff..

 

wow.

anna

 

 

On 6/12/07, Caron <carongroups wrote:

>

> Unfortunately, the lesson was my son's, but I hope he learned it well. We

> stay at my parents' place on the weekends to housesit, and have a

> mini-holiday (they have a couple of acres, it's like being in the bush,

> hehe). Usually the boy gets up at the crack of dawn, and gets himself

> breakfast (fruit) while I have a sleep in.

>

> This weekend just gone, we had a long weekend, and on Monday morning I

> woke up to a very irritating rustling sound, and caught a flash of blue out

> of the corner of my eye. When I finally regained consciousness, and vision,

> I saw that my 2yo, who has NEVER had junkfood in his life (apart from the

> gluten, egg, and dairy free cake we had for his second birthday), had

> finished off the HUGE, " family " sized bag of chips my parents had left on

> the bench. It had to have been nearly half full.

>

> Anyway, I ranted at him, told him he'd be lucky if his kidneys didn't

> explode on the spot from all the salt, and made some fruit available to him

> (it was on the bench in front of where the chips had been). He spent the day

> guzzling water, but other than a sore belly, didn't show any adverse signs.

> He did have dry skin on his face, but so did I, from the cold snap we had,

> so I didn't think anything of it. Then he got the same rash on his bum

> cheeks, and spent a very miserable and itchy night. The rash is spreading,

> and he had a hard time going potty this morning.

>

> I feel soooo sorry for it, because it looks so painful, specially around

> his mouth. I really hope he learned from this (I've been reinforcing that

> it's because he ate the chips), and never touches the junk again. I

> purposely didn't let him have any of that, because my mother let my brothers

> and I have it as kids, " as a treat " , and we've all been addicted ever since.

> My boy hasn't missed out on anything, and he's had to learn that the hard

> way ( The good(?) thing is they were plain, not flavoured, so he doesn't

> have to deal with all the numbers as well.

>

> Caron

>

>

[Guest guest]

I saw that my 2yo, who has NEVER had junkfood in his life (apart from the

> gluten, egg, and dairy free cake we had for his second birthday), had

> finished off the HUGE, " family " sized bag of chips my parents had left on

> the bench. It had to have been nearly half full.

>

> Anyway, I ranted at him, told him he'd be lucky if his kidneys didn't

> explode on the spot from all the salt, and made some fruit available to him

> (it was on the bench in front of where the chips had been)

 

 

I'm sorry, maybe I didn't read this right.. did you say you ranted at your two

year old for eating chips? It just sounds a little harsh the way you wrote it...

He's only two - does he really need a lecture about how his kidneys may

explode??? Scary stuff to tell a two year old...

 

Deanna

 

Anna Bishop <mowthpeece wrote:

holy moly...

 

what a great lesson...how many kids eat something like that with NO symptoms

and go on to tootally looove it??

 

you are actually very lucky,,or he is,, he may not know it for years,,but he

is..he

has a GREAT reason and excuse never to eat that stuff..

 

wow.

anna

 

On 6/12/07, Caron <carongroups wrote:

>

> Unfortunately, the lesson was my son's, but I hope he learned it well. We

> stay at my parents' place on the weekends to housesit, and have a

> mini-holiday (they have a couple of acres, it's like being in the bush,

> hehe). Usually the boy gets up at the crack of dawn, and gets himself

> breakfast (fruit) while I have a sleep in.

>

> This weekend just gone, we had a long weekend, and on Monday morning I

> woke up to a very irritating rustling sound, and caught a flash of blue out

> of the corner of my eye. When I finally regained consciousness, and vision,

> I saw that my 2yo, who has NEVER had junkfood in his life (apart from the

> gluten, egg, and dairy free cake we had for his second birthday), had

> finished off the HUGE, " family " sized bag of chips my parents had left on

> the bench. It had to have been nearly half full.

>

> Anyway, I ranted at him, told him he'd be lucky if his kidneys didn't

> explode on the spot from all the salt, and made some fruit available to him

> (it was on the bench in front of where the chips had been). He spent the day

> guzzling water, but other than a sore belly, didn't show any adverse signs.

> He did have dry skin on his face, but so did I, from the cold snap we had,

> so I didn't think anything of it. Then he got the same rash on his bum

> cheeks, and spent a very miserable and itchy night. The rash is spreading,

> and he had a hard time going potty this morning.

>

> I feel soooo sorry for it, because it looks so painful, specially around

> his mouth. I really hope he learned from this (I've been reinforcing that

> it's because he ate the chips), and never touches the junk again. I

> purposely didn't let him have any of that, because my mother let my brothers

> and I have it as kids, " as a treat " , and we've all been addicted ever since.

> My boy hasn't missed out on anything, and he's had to learn that the hard

> way ( The good(?) thing is they were plain, not flavoured, so he doesn't

> have to deal with all the numbers as well.

>

> Caron

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

Anna Bishop

>what a great lesson...how many kids eat something like that with NO

>symptoms

and go on to tootally looove it??

 

>you are actually very lucky,,or he is,, he may not know it for years,,but

>he

is..he has a GREAT reason and excuse never to eat that stuff..

 

Actually, most kids DO react to foods like that. Their parents see it as A:

Nappy (diaper) rash; B: reflux, or C: oh, it must be the fruit (when I asked

my mummies group about him complaining of a sore tummy a few weeks ago, I

was told it was because he eats too much fruit).

 

I probably would have assumed it was nappy rash, if he was still in nappies.

I did wonder if it was the new knickers I got him last week when he grew out

of the old ones, but I ended up washing them 3 times before he wore them,

and I know it's not the detergent I use.

 

So the intellect in me completely agrees with you - it's great that he had a

definite and profound reaction to it that both of us could see (and my

parents will see tonight, grr). But the mummy in me goes " aww, my poor

baby! " and I can't even do anything for him, because he's allergic to

painkillers, creams, lotions, the lot. I could use lanolin on it, but that

would just smother it and not let the rash do its job (I only ever used

lanolin as a barrier, to protect against the ammonia burns he started

getting shortly before TTing overnight).

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

yea, youre probably right...it does show and we just dont know what it is..

 

have you tried zinc powder on the rash? should dry it right up.

 

anna

 

 

On 6/12/07, Caron <carongroups wrote:

>

>

> -

> Anna Bishop

> >what a great lesson...how many kids eat something like that with NO

> >symptoms

> and go on to tootally looove it??

>

> >you are actually very lucky,,or he is,, he may not know it for years,,but

> >he

> is..he has a GREAT reason and excuse never to eat that stuff..

>

> Actually, most kids DO react to foods like that. Their parents see it as

> A:

> Nappy (diaper) rash; B: reflux, or C: oh, it must be the fruit (when I

> asked

> my mummies group about him complaining of a sore tummy a few weeks ago, I

> was told it was because he eats too much fruit).

>

> I probably would have assumed it was nappy rash, if he was still in

> nappies.

> I did wonder if it was the new knickers I got him last week when he grew

> out

> of the old ones, but I ended up washing them 3 times before he wore them,

> and I know it's not the detergent I use.

>

> So the intellect in me completely agrees with you - it's great that he had

> a

> definite and profound reaction to it that both of us could see (and my

> parents will see tonight, grr). But the mummy in me goes " aww, my poor

> baby! " and I can't even do anything for him, because he's allergic to

> painkillers, creams, lotions, the lot. I could use lanolin on it, but that

> would just smother it and not let the rash do its job (I only ever used

> lanolin as a barrier, to protect against the ammonia burns he started

> getting shortly before TTing overnight).

>

> Caron

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

Deanna

>I'm sorry, maybe I didn't read this right.. did you say you ranted at your

>two year old for eating chips? It just sounds a little harsh the way you

>wrote it... He's only two - does he really need a lecture about how his

>kidneys may explode??? Scary stuff to tell a two year old...

 

Given that my brother ended up in hospital with kidney issues when he was

only a little older than my son, I think it's a fair enough warning. I

didn't word it exactly like that, but he does need to know the risks. As for

the ranting, after telling him for nearly 3 years that certain foods will

make him sick, and more recently, expressly refusing permission for him to

eat those foods when he's asked, I saw the fact that he'd gone ahead and

eaten them anyway (I didn't realise they were there, or I would have put

them up out of sight and reach), as complete defiance, which we've had

issues with lately. I understand his need to explore and learn on his own,

but I'll be damned if I stand by and watch him hurt himself or make himself

sick without saying something about it. Learning about playing in the mud,

and that it tastes bad is one thing. Letting him drink bleach to find out it

tastes bad is a completely different matter, as it could kill him. Junk

food, imo, falls into the " bleach " category. Yes, he's seen me eat junk

food, regrettably (I sincerely wish I never gave into the stuff), but he's

also seen me use knives, and he's not allowed to touch knives either.

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

-

Anna Bishop

>have you tried zinc powder on the rash? should dry it right up.

 

The rash is very dry already (think ouchy cracky, scaly, raised skin), and

he's allergic to zinc. They put it on him when he was born, because the

jaundice made his bum a bit red, and it gave him 3rd degree burns. Their

solution? " Oh, just keep putting the zinc cream on until it's better... "

Thanks for the suggestion though ) We're on our way out now, so I'll see

if I can get some calendula cream for him. It's about all I can use on him

without making things worse.

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

oooo ouch! scratch the zinc!!

 

On 6/12/07, Caron <carongroups wrote:

>

>

> -

> Anna Bishop

> >have you tried zinc powder on the rash? should dry it right up.

>

> The rash is very dry already (think ouchy cracky, scaly, raised skin), and

> he's allergic to zinc. They put it on him when he was born, because the

> jaundice made his bum a bit red, and it gave him 3rd degree burns. Their

> solution? " Oh, just keep putting the zinc cream on until it's better... "

> Thanks for the suggestion though ) We're on our way out now, so I'll see

> if I can get some calendula cream for him. It's about all I can use on him

> without making things worse.

>

> Caron

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

But he's two - or almost three. Still very young and his curiosity is much

stronger than your words at this age. You sound very intelligent. I'm sure you

understand that a 3 year old will be defiant, it's their nature. If he you told

him this for 3 years, surely you don't believe he's been comprehending it for

three years. Even if he completely comprehends it now, he will rebel. I hope he

doesn't get seriously ill rebelling, but odds are he will find junk food and eat

it at some other point in his childhood.

 

Babies don't know better than not to drink bleach. If they do, you call poison

control and follow their directions, then you make sure the stuff is out of

reach. (Like you would have with the chips, you didn't know, it happens.) You

don't preach to a baby, it does nothing. When a child is older (ie 3) he

probably won't drink bleach because he's not as dependent on oral stimulation.

He'll eat chips though because he sees other people doing it (especially if he

sees his friends eating them) and they smell and taste good. Bleach doesn't

smell or taste (I don't think) very good. He probably doesn't see people

drinking bleach everywhere he goes.

 

Just for the record, from reading your original post, you sound like a warm

and wonderful mom, I understand why you don't let him eat the junk, I guess I

just didn't understand the reaction.

 

Deanna

 

Caron <carongroups wrote:

 

-

Deanna

>I'm sorry, maybe I didn't read this right.. did you say you ranted at your

>two year old for eating chips? It just sounds a little harsh the way you

>wrote it... He's only two - does he really need a lecture about how his

>kidneys may explode??? Scary stuff to tell a two year old...

 

Given that my brother ended up in hospital with kidney issues when he was

only a little older than my son, I think it's a fair enough warning. I

didn't word it exactly like that, but he does need to know the risks. As for

the ranting, after telling him for nearly 3 years that certain foods will

make him sick, and more recently, expressly refusing permission for him to

eat those foods when he's asked, I saw the fact that he'd gone ahead and

eaten them anyway (I didn't realise they were there, or I would have put

them up out of sight and reach), as complete defiance, which we've had

issues with lately. I understand his need to explore and learn on his own,

but I'll be damned if I stand by and watch him hurt himself or make himself

sick without saying something about it. Learning about playing in the mud,

and that it tastes bad is one thing. Letting him drink bleach to find out it

tastes bad is a completely different matter, as it could kill him. Junk

food, imo, falls into the " bleach " category. Yes, he's seen me eat junk

food, regrettably (I sincerely wish I never gave into the stuff), but he's

also seen me use knives, and he's not allowed to touch knives either.

 

Caron

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

oooo i feel like im back in lifespan psychology!

 

lol....8-)

 

 

On 6/12/07, Deanna <drl8994 wrote:

>

> But he's two - or almost three. Still very young and his curiosity is much

> stronger than your words at this age. You sound very intelligent. I'm sure

> you understand that a 3 year old will be defiant, it's their nature. If he

> you told him this for 3 years, surely you don't believe he's been

> comprehending it for three years. Even if he completely comprehends it now,

> he will rebel. I hope he doesn't get seriously ill rebelling, but odds are

> he will find junk food and eat it at some other point in his childhood.

>

> Babies don't know better than not to drink bleach. If they do, you call

> poison control and follow their directions, then you make sure the stuff is

> out of reach. (Like you would have with the chips, you didn't know, it

> happens.) You don't preach to a baby, it does nothing. When a child is older

> (ie 3) he probably won't drink bleach because he's not as dependent on oral

> stimulation. He'll eat chips though because he sees other people doing it

> (especially if he sees his friends eating them) and they smell and taste

> good. Bleach doesn't smell or taste (I don't think) very good. He probably

> doesn't see people drinking bleach everywhere he goes.

>

> Just for the record, from reading your original post, you sound like a

> warm and wonderful mom, I understand why you don't let him eat the junk, I

> guess I just didn't understand the reaction.

>

> Deanna

>

> Caron <carongroups wrote:

>

> -

> Deanna

> >I'm sorry, maybe I didn't read this right.. did you say you ranted at

> your

> >two year old for eating chips? It just sounds a little harsh the way you

> >wrote it... He's only two - does he really need a lecture about how his

> >kidneys may explode??? Scary stuff to tell a two year old...

>

> Given that my brother ended up in hospital with kidney issues when he was

> only a little older than my son, I think it's a fair enough warning. I

> didn't word it exactly like that, but he does need to know the risks. As

> for

> the ranting, after telling him for nearly 3 years that certain foods will

> make him sick, and more recently, expressly refusing permission for him to

> eat those foods when he's asked, I saw the fact that he'd gone ahead and

> eaten them anyway (I didn't realise they were there, or I would have put

> them up out of sight and reach), as complete defiance, which we've had

> issues with lately. I understand his need to explore and learn on his own,

> but I'll be damned if I stand by and watch him hurt himself or make

> himself

> sick without saying something about it. Learning about playing in the mud,

> and that it tastes bad is one thing. Letting him drink bleach to find out

> it

> tastes bad is a completely different matter, as it could kill him. Junk

> food, imo, falls into the " bleach " category. Yes, he's seen me eat junk

> food, regrettably (I sincerely wish I never gave into the stuff), but he's

> also seen me use knives, and he's not allowed to touch knives either.

>

> Caron

 

[Guest guest]

-

Deanna

>But he's two - or almost three. Still very young and his curiosity is much

>stronger than your words at this age. You sound very intelligent. I'm sure

>you understand that a 3 year old will be defiant, it's their nature. If he

>you told him this for 3 years, surely you don't believe he's been

>comprehending it for three years. Even if he completely comprehends it now,

>he will rebel. I hope he doesn't get seriously ill rebelling, but odds are

>he will find junk food and eat it at some other point in his childhood.

 

Yes, he is 2 (3 in a couple of months), and contrary to popular belief,

young children, and even infants, are capable of understanding far more than

most people give them credit for. As a newborn, my son understood " mama's

coming, honey " when he cried for a feed, and would wait for 15 minutes or

more while I struggled upright with my slashed'n'stitched stomach muscles so

I could pick him up. It wasn't tone, because I tried the same tone with

different words, and it didn't have the same effect. Other infants I've come

across have had the same capabilities for comprehension, when spoken to like

a person, instead of as a puppy or inanimate object. I also tend to explain

things far more thoroughly than most people would, because as a toddler I

found it extremely irritating when my mother would say " no " , but wouldn't

tell me why.

 

I do understand that children rebell, and need to find their own way, but

when it comes to my son's safety and wellbeing, I will not compromise. He's

thrown tantrums about holding my hand to walk near a road - I don't

negotiate, I pick him up, so he can't throw himself on the road, and explain

to him exactly what will happen if he does go on the road. I have a

responsibility as a parent to teach him how to stay alive and well. I would

be doing him a disservice if I didn't come down HARD on disobedience when it

comes to safety, and that includes food that will make him sick. There are

some things I'll let him learn the hard way, like today when he threw a toy

into the neighbour's yard and it got lost in the grass - I pointed out that

he doesn't have his toy now because he threw it, which I've been asking him

not to do (usually because of the risk of breakage of the toy or something

else), and hopefully we won't have any more throwing of toys. But I can't

let him learn safety lessons like that, in ways that cause him physical pain

or damage.

 

A lot of people think I'm being too hard on him, because I won't let him

have " treats " like chocolate or lollies, or because I make him say please

and thankyou, or because I ask him to hold his tantrum till we get home, and

speak in a pleasant way to other people. Yet if I didn't do those things,

the comments wouldn't be about how well-mannered, how happy and well

adjusted, and how pleasant he is, they would be about what a terrible parent

I am because I'm not teaching my child properly, or worse, that he's a

problem child, or a nuisance. He is allowed to make choices, about what he

wears, what he eats (within the guidelines of food that is good for him),

how he plays (as long as nothing is broken), what music he listens to, and

so on, but unless his choice is to obey safety rules, that's my call.

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

On Wednesday 13 June 2007 02:13, Anna Bishop wrote:

> oooo i feel like im back in lifespan psychology!

>

> lol....8-)

 

Is that a euphemism for 'the real world'?

 

neal.

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure I agree with your reaction towards the whole eating

thing. I'm not saying chips are good, but most likely he DID learn

a good lesson from this experience and maybe it should be let go at

that. That being said, I COMPLETELY agree with you about being a

strict parent. I think of it in the same sense as a dog owner. I

hate kids (and dogs) that are " cute " and " can do no wrong. " My aunt

lets my cousin get everything and anything she wants and she is

extremely overweight and a little brat to boot. I trully think that

raising a child that way does a grave disservice to them because

later in life no one wants to be friends with them and they do not

understand how to properly interact with other people.

 

Jenn

 

 

rawfood , " Caron " <carongroups wrote:

>

 

> I do understand that children rebell, and need to find their own

way, but

> when it comes to my son's safety and wellbeing, I will not

compromise. He's

> thrown tantrums about holding my hand to walk near a road - I

don't

> negotiate, I pick him up, so he can't throw himself on the road,

and explain

> to him exactly what will happen if he does go on the road. I have

a

> responsibility as a parent to teach him how to stay alive and

well. I would

> be doing him a disservice if I didn't come down HARD on

disobedience when it

> comes to safety, and that includes food that will make him sick.

There are

> some things I'll let him learn the hard way, like today when he

threw a toy

> into the neighbour's yard and it got lost in the grass - I pointed

out that

> he doesn't have his toy now because he threw it, which I've been

asking him

> not to do (usually because of the risk of breakage of the toy or

something

> else), and hopefully we won't have any more throwing of toys. But

I can't

> let him learn safety lessons like that, in ways that cause him

physical pain

> or damage.

>

> A lot of people think I'm being too hard on him, because I won't

let him

> have " treats " like chocolate or lollies, or because I make him say

please

> and thankyou, or because I ask him to hold his tantrum till we get

home, and

> speak in a pleasant way to other people. Yet if I didn't do those

things,

> the comments wouldn't be about how well-mannered, how happy and

well

> adjusted, and how pleasant he is, they would be about what a

terrible parent

> I am because I'm not teaching my child properly, or worse, that

he's a

> problem child, or a nuisance. He is allowed to make choices, about

what he

> wears, what he eats (within the guidelines of food that is good

for him),

> how he plays (as long as nothing is broken), what music he listens

to, and

> so on, but unless his choice is to obey safety rules, that's my

call.

>

> Caron

>

[Guest guest]

On Wednesday 13 June 2007 01:35, Caron wrote:

> -

> Anna Bishop

>

> >have you tried zinc powder on the rash? should dry it right up.

>

> The rash is very dry already (think ouchy cracky, scaly, raised skin), and

> he's allergic to zinc. They put it on him when he was born, because the

> jaundice made his bum a bit red, and it gave him 3rd degree burns. Their

> solution? " Oh, just keep putting the zinc cream on until it's better... "

> Thanks for the suggestion though ) We're on our way out now, so I'll see

> if I can get some calendula cream for him. It's about all I can use on him

> without making things worse.

>

> Caron

 

The best possible thing you could use would be his own urine. It is marvelous

stuff. Gently massage it into the affected areas and let it dry, let him play

outside. There won't be any smell, especially as you seem to provide a 'good'

diet for him anyway. This is from direct experience.

 

neal.

 

p.s. eating dirt for very young children is good for them not because they learn

it tastes bad, (which I would contend they dont, they are *taught* that by

parents), but because it both helps them develop a strong immune system AND has

good mineral value. There is even a word for eating dirt as a dietry action.

" Geophagy " . It was once a common practise for many.

 

Alas, even our soil is toxic these days. Just one more of the free and natural

ways lost to us.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

-

neal

>The best possible thing you could use would be his own urine. It is

>marvelous stuff. Gently massage it into the affected areas and let it dry,

>let him play outside. There won't be any smell, especially as you seem to

>provide a 'good' diet for him anyway. This is from direct experience.

 

Thanks for the suggestion, Neal. Not sure if he'd agree to this, having just

got rid of nappies, hehe. His urine seemed to burn him when he was still in

night nappies - he had horrible ammonia burns on his thighs and " bits " . I

know it requires bacterial processing to turn to ammonia, but if it's a bit

acid, it might sting a bit, no?

 

>p.s. eating dirt for very young children is good for them not because they

>learn it tastes bad, (which I would contend they dont, they are *taught*

>that by parents), but because it both helps them develop a strong immune

>system AND has good mineral value. There is even a word for eating dirt as

>a dietry action. " Geophagy " . It was once a common practise for many.

 

>Alas, even our soil is toxic these days. Just one more of the free and

>natural ways lost to us.

 

I know this, and actually don't have a problem with him playing in the mud -

it's still one of my favourite things to do, hehe (my mother, on the other

hand, hated it, because she had to wash our clothes). There are 3 major

problems with it though: A: it hardly ever rains here, so finding mud is a

mission, B: my parents' place is the only place I've ever seen mud when it

does rain, and they have thousands upon thousands of shards of broken glass

through their soil, due to a hundred years of broken bottles (or so it

seems), and every time it rains, more come to the surface, and C: my boy

HATES mud, will not touch it, and if he gets any on him, he screams until I

wash it off. I have no idea why, absolutely none at all, but that's how it

is. He also gets very upset if he gets food on his face or clothes, or if he

spills water on the floor, everything has to be clean. Good for me, he's

been cleaning my house since about 6 months of age, hehe.

 

Anyway, back to the tasting, I remember tasting mud, and not finding it

overly pleasant. He's never tasted mud, but never ate sand either, which

most kids seem to eat by the bucketful. He did get sand in his mouth once at

the playground, and had a pink fit until I washed it all out. Not sure how

it works as a dietary thing, but exposure to bacteria can help the immune

system.

 

Caron

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I was so excited when my daughter (7 yrs old) was sick

for three days last month. It seems heartless, but it

was a lessoned learned. We switched to a meat and

dairy free diet a couple months ago. At the time my

daughter was about 75-80% raw. She spent a night with

relatives, and I sent healthy food with her. She

cheated and ate a hotdog, chips, and cocoa puffs while

there. She was so miserable for three days all she

did was lay around. I could only get her to eat fruit

(sparingly). She quickly reassured me that she did

not want to eat the SAD food anymore.

 

~Sarah

 

--- Caron <carongroups wrote:

 

>

> -

> Anna Bishop

> >what a great lesson...how many kids eat something

> like that with NO

> >symptoms

> and go on to tootally looove it??

>

> >you are actually very lucky,,or he is,, he may not

> know it for years,,but

> >he

> is..he has a GREAT reason and excuse never to eat

> that stuff..

>

> Actually, most kids DO react to foods like that.

> Their parents see it as A:

> Nappy (diaper) rash; B: reflux, or C: oh, it must be

> the fruit (when I asked

> my mummies group about him complaining of a sore

> tummy a few weeks ago, I

> was told it was because he eats too much fruit).

>

> I probably would have assumed it was nappy rash, if

> he was still in nappies.

> I did wonder if it was the new knickers I got him

> last week when he grew out

> of the old ones, but I ended up washing them 3 times

> before he wore them,

> and I know it's not the detergent I use.

>

> So the intellect in me completely agrees with you -

> it's great that he had a

> definite and profound reaction to it that both of us

> could see (and my

> parents will see tonight, grr). But the mummy in me

> goes " aww, my poor

> baby! " and I can't even do anything for him, because

> he's allergic to

> painkillers, creams, lotions, the lot. I could use

> lanolin on it, but that

> would just smother it and not let the rash do its

> job (I only ever used

> lanolin as a barrier, to protect against the ammonia

> burns he started

> getting shortly before TTing overnight).

>

> Caron

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I think you did a good job in how you handled the

situation. Sometimes we have to explain the dangers

to children for them to understand why we won't allow

them to play with certain things, or eat certain

foods. I'm glad his body reacted in that way, and

that you handled it as you did.

 

~Sarah

 

--- Caron <carongroups wrote:

 

>

> -

> Deanna

> >I'm sorry, maybe I didn't read this right.. did you

> say you ranted at your

> >two year old for eating chips? It just sounds a

> little harsh the way you

> >wrote it... He's only two - does he really need a

> lecture about how his

> >kidneys may explode??? Scary stuff to tell a two

> year old...

>

> Given that my brother ended up in hospital with

> kidney issues when he was

> only a little older than my son, I think it's a fair

> enough warning. I

> didn't word it exactly like that, but he does need

> to know the risks. As for

> the ranting, after telling him for nearly 3 years

> that certain foods will

> make him sick, and more recently, expressly refusing

> permission for him to

> eat those foods when he's asked, I saw the fact that

> he'd gone ahead and

> eaten them anyway (I didn't realise they were there,

> or I would have put

> them up out of sight and reach), as complete

> defiance, which we've had

> issues with lately. I understand his need to explore

> and learn on his own,

> but I'll be damned if I stand by and watch him hurt

> himself or make himself

> sick without saying something about it. Learning

> about playing in the mud,

> and that it tastes bad is one thing. Letting him

> drink bleach to find out it

> tastes bad is a completely different matter, as it

> could kill him. Junk

> food, imo, falls into the " bleach " category. Yes,

> he's seen me eat junk

> food, regrettably (I sincerely wish I never gave

> into the stuff), but he's

> also seen me use knives, and he's not allowed to

> touch knives either.

>

> Caron

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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rabbit_is_wise_04

>I'm not sure I agree with your reaction towards the whole eating

thing. I'm not saying chips are good, but most likely he DID learn

a good lesson from this experience and maybe it should be let go at

that.

 

The lesson came -after- my reaction, which I think was a perfectly adequate

reaction to discovering the boy eating the equivalent of poison. It's

exactly how I would react if I found him about to stick a knife in a power

socket, or run out on a road. He needs to know, instantly, and without a

doubt, that his action is NOT acceptable, because it is not safe. I gave him

the explanation of why, out of respect for his intelligence and curiosity,

and so he would know that I'm not just being mean and trying to spoil his

fun.

 

>That being said, I COMPLETELY agree with you about being a

strict parent. I think of it in the same sense as a dog owner. I

hate kids (and dogs) that are " cute " and " can do no wrong. " My aunt

lets my cousin get everything and anything she wants and she is

extremely overweight and a little brat to boot. I trully think that

raising a child that way does a grave disservice to them because

later in life no one wants to be friends with them and they do not

understand how to properly interact with other people.

 

Exactly my motivation ) Of course I think that my child is the most

wonderful and perfect being ever to grace the earth with his presence,

that's my right as a mother. But I still expect him to behave appropriately

in public settings, such as at the shops, when we're visiting my mother at

work, and so on. I love to be able to give things to my boy, but he never

asks for things when we're out - he asks to look at it, so I hand it to him

(if it's not a breakable), and after he's done, he hands it back for me to

put back on the shelf. We very rarely have tantrums over things like that,

because I let him explore, within boundaries, and he enforces those

boundaries himself, because he knows exactly what they are. It would be nice

if that could be applied to all areas of life, but it's a work in progress,

and until it's complete, I'm the one who has to enforce the boundaries.

 

We did have another chat about food tonight, after him asking for sausages

and bread at my parents' place. I told him there that no, he couldn't have

them, because they'd make him sick, and on the way home explained my plans

for improving my own health by improving my diet (and that includes NOT

eating the foods that will make me sick, just like I don't let him eat foods

that will make him sick), and that I hope he will help me look after his

health, by eating only good foods, and choosing not to eat the foods that

will make him sick. It's a good thing he loves eating fruit! We have a huge

avocado that'll be ripe tomorrow, so that will do him for lunch, along with

the bananas he'll no doubt be eating all day. He's been scoffing down

almonds too, but not chewing them very well, as they come out a bit solid -

I think I might need to put them in the food processor? Mum did send home

some cooked veges, but he usually only has them one meal a day. So that's

him sorted. I'm still trying to train myself to eat more often, when I feel

hungry, and before I start craving junk.

 

Caron

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Sarah Formhals

>I was so excited when my daughter (7 yrs old) was sick

for three days last month. It seems heartless, but it

was a lessoned learned. We switched to a meat and

dairy free diet a couple months ago. At the time my

daughter was about 75-80% raw. She spent a night with

relatives, and I sent healthy food with her. She

cheated and ate a hotdog, chips, and cocoa puffs while

there. She was so miserable for three days all she

did was lay around. I could only get her to eat fruit

(sparingly). She quickly reassured me that she did

not want to eat the SAD food anymore.

 

Awful though it is that she felt sick, it's GREAT that she made that

decision ) Good that she understood, too, that her illness was directly

caused by the food, and how to prevent it in future. I hope my boy comes to

the same understanding (as I'm sure he has, after this horrible rash, which

now looks like someone scratched him with a wire brush - I think he's been

after it with his fingernails, poor kid)

 

Caron

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-

Sarah Formhals

>I think you did a good job in how you handled the

situation. Sometimes we have to explain the dangers

to children for them to understand why we won't allow

them to play with certain things, or eat certain

foods. I'm glad his body reacted in that way, and

that you handled it as you did.

 

Thanks, Sarah )

 

Caron

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lol..could this be infant ocd?

 

8-)

 

anna

 

On 6/13/07, Caron <carongroups wrote:

>

> -

> neal

> >The best possible thing you could use would be his own urine. It is

> >marvelous stuff. Gently massage it into the affected areas and let it dry,

> >let him play outside. There won't be any smell, especially as you seem to

> >provide a 'good' diet for him anyway. This is from direct experience.

>

> Thanks for the suggestion, Neal. Not sure if he'd agree to this, having just

> got rid of nappies, hehe. His urine seemed to burn him when he was still in

> night nappies - he had horrible ammonia burns on his thighs and " bits " . I

> know it requires bacterial processing to turn to ammonia, but if it's a bit

> acid, it might sting a bit, no?

>

> >p.s. eating dirt for very young children is good for them not because they

> >learn it tastes bad, (which I would contend they dont, they are *taught*

> >that by parents), but because it both helps them develop a strong immune

> >system AND has good mineral value. There is even a word for eating dirt as

> >a dietry action. " Geophagy " . It was once a common practise for many.

>

> >Alas, even our soil is toxic these days. Just one more of the free and

> >natural ways lost to us.

>

> I know this, and actually don't have a problem with him playing in the mud -

> it's still one of my favourite things to do, hehe (my mother, on the other

> hand, hated it, because she had to wash our clothes). There are 3 major

> problems with it though: A: it hardly ever rains here, so finding mud is a

> mission, B: my parents' place is the only place I've ever seen mud when it

> does rain, and they have thousands upon thousands of shards of broken glass

> through their soil, due to a hundred years of broken bottles (or so it

> seems), and every time it rains, more come to the surface, and C: my boy

> HATES mud, will not touch it, and if he gets any on him, he screams until I

> wash it off. I have no idea why, absolutely none at all, but that's how it

> is. He also gets very upset if he gets food on his face or clothes, or if he

> spills water on the floor, everything has to be clean. Good for me, he's

> been cleaning my house since about 6 months of age, hehe.

>

> Anyway, back to the tasting, I remember tasting mud, and not finding it

> overly pleasant. He's never tasted mud, but never ate sand either, which

> most kids seem to eat by the bucketful. He did get sand in his mouth once at

> the playground, and had a pink fit until I washed it all out. Not sure how

> it works as a dietary thing, but exposure to bacteria can help the immune

> system.

>

> Caron

>

>

>

>

>

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lol..

 

just describes psych development by growth stages....very interesting actually..

 

sounds like deanna has some knowledge in it...

 

its particularly useful when raising children...

 

i think at the ages of 2-3 was when kids develop autonomy....so

yes..he will rebel...its a mathematical certainty. But now that his

mouth and fanny paid the price.....it wont be with chips! Lol...poor

baby..

 

anna

 

On 6/13/07, neal <kneel.pardoe wrote:

> On Wednesday 13 June 2007 02:13, Anna Bishop wrote:

> > oooo i feel like im back in lifespan psychology!

> >

> > lol....8-)

>

> Is that a euphemism for 'the real world'?

>

> neal.

>

>

>

>

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wwwwhhhhooooaaaaaaa....

 

now THATS my way to blow a diet!

 

cocoa puffs even...wow..im impressed...

 

too bad it made her so sick..but excellent lesson...it took me

43yrs...she figured it out in 7..

 

sheesh....

 

anna

 

On 6/13/07, Sarah Formhals <mrsfrmhls wrote:

> I was so excited when my daughter (7 yrs old) was sick

> for three days last month. It seems heartless, but it

> was a lessoned learned. We switched to a meat and

> dairy free diet a couple months ago. At the time my

> daughter was about 75-80% raw. She spent a night with

> relatives, and I sent healthy food with her. She

> cheated and ate a hotdog, chips, and cocoa puffs while

> there. She was so miserable for three days all she

> did was lay around. I could only get her to eat fruit

> (sparingly). She quickly reassured me that she did

> not want to eat the SAD food anymore.

>

> ~Sarah

>

> --- Caron <carongroups wrote:

>

> >

> > -

> > Anna Bishop

> > >what a great lesson...how many kids eat something

> > like that with NO

> > >symptoms

> > and go on to tootally looove it??

> >

> > >you are actually very lucky,,or he is,, he may not

> > know it for years,,but

> > >he

> > is..he has a GREAT reason and excuse never to eat

> > that stuff..

> >

> > Actually, most kids DO react to foods like that.

> > Their parents see it as A:

> > Nappy (diaper) rash; B: reflux, or C: oh, it must be

> > the fruit (when I asked

> > my mummies group about him complaining of a sore

> > tummy a few weeks ago, I

> > was told it was because he eats too much fruit).

> >

> > I probably would have assumed it was nappy rash, if

> > he was still in nappies.

> > I did wonder if it was the new knickers I got him

> > last week when he grew out

> > of the old ones, but I ended up washing them 3 times

> > before he wore them,

> > and I know it's not the detergent I use.

> >

> > So the intellect in me completely agrees with you -

> > it's great that he had a

> > definite and profound reaction to it that both of us

> > could see (and my

> > parents will see tonight, grr). But the mummy in me

> > goes " aww, my poor

> > baby! " and I can't even do anything for him, because

> > he's allergic to

> > painkillers, creams, lotions, the lot. I could use

> > lanolin on it, but that

> > would just smother it and not let the rash do its

> > job (I only ever used

> > lanolin as a barrier, to protect against the ammonia

> > burns he started

> > getting shortly before TTing overnight).

> >

> > Caron

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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caron..

 

my exhusb had a bad rash that he assumed was yeast..it just got worse

and worse till he tried an anti*bacterial* wash...only then did it get

better..

 

dont assume its not infected with simple bacteria..particularly if hes

been scratching.

 

neals suggestion is not far off..ammonia kills bacteria...urine

sometimes cures skin issues very nicely....in his case though if hes

got fungus itll hurt or make it flare....if its not curing it could be

fungul and bacterial...

 

anna

 

On 6/13/07, Caron <carongroups wrote:

>

> -

> Sarah Formhals

> >I was so excited when my daughter (7 yrs old) was sick

> for three days last month. It seems heartless, but it

> was a lessoned learned. We switched to a meat and

> dairy free diet a couple months ago. At the time my

> daughter was about 75-80% raw. She spent a night with

> relatives, and I sent healthy food with her. She

> cheated and ate a hotdog, chips, and cocoa puffs while

> there. She was so miserable for three days all she

> did was lay around. I could only get her to eat fruit

> (sparingly). She quickly reassured me that she did

> not want to eat the SAD food anymore.

>

> Awful though it is that she felt sick, it's GREAT that she made that

> decision ) Good that she understood, too, that her illness was directly

> caused by the food, and how to prevent it in future. I hope my boy comes to

> the same understanding (as I'm sure he has, after this horrible rash, which

> now looks like someone scratched him with a wire brush - I think he's been

> after it with his fingernails, poor kid)

>

> Caron

>

>

>

>

>

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On Wednesday 13 June 2007 12:49, Caron wrote:

> -

> neal

>

> >The best possible thing you could use would be his own urine. It is

> >marvelous stuff. Gently massage it into the affected areas and let it dry,

> >let him play outside. There won't be any smell, especially as you seem to

> >provide a 'good' diet for him anyway. This is from direct experience.

>

> Thanks for the suggestion, Neal. Not sure if he'd agree to this, having

> just got rid of nappies, hehe. His urine seemed to burn him when he was

> still in night nappies - he had horrible ammonia burns on his thighs and

> " bits " . I know it requires bacterial processing to turn to ammonia, but if

> it's a bit acid, it might sting a bit, no?

 

If my understanding is correct, urea will naturally start to break down when

exposed the the air (probably the oxygen in it) and one of the substances

that it breaks down into is ammonia. So wrapped in clothe that holds ammonia

to the skin for several hours will obviously cause problems. That wasn't

what I suggested above.

 

Try getting him to agree to you just treating just a small patch first. Give

it a half hour for it to work then ask him what its like, compare the treated

part with the untreated. Make it a fun thing to do. Perhaps it is a secret

treatment that you've discovered. Kids love secrets! Carry your own concerns

and that is what he'll pick up on.

 

Lets just clarify, urine is NOT a waste product. It is a by-product of the

filtering and balancing action of the kidneys. Our 'response' to urine is a

product of our potty training.

 

neal.

>

> >p.s. eating dirt for very young children is good for them not because they

> >learn it tastes bad, (which I would contend they dont, they are *taught*

> >that by parents), but because it both helps them develop a strong immune

> >system AND has good mineral value. There is even a word for eating dirt as

> >a dietry action. " Geophagy " . It was once a common practise for many.

> >

> >Alas, even our soil is toxic these days. Just one more of the free and

> >natural ways lost to us.

>

> I know this, and actually don't have a problem with him playing in the mud

> - it's still one of my favourite things to do, hehe (my mother, on the

> other hand, hated it, because she had to wash our clothes). There are 3

> major problems with it though: A: it hardly ever rains here, so finding mud

> is a mission, B: my parents' place is the only place I've ever seen mud

> when it does rain, and they have thousands upon thousands of shards of

> broken glass through their soil, due to a hundred years of broken bottles

> (or so it seems), and every time it rains, more come to the surface, and C:

> my boy HATES mud, will not touch it, and if he gets any on him, he screams

> until I wash it off. I have no idea why, absolutely none at all, but that's

> how it is. He also gets very upset if he gets food on his face or clothes,

> or if he spills water on the floor, everything has to be clean. Good for

> me, he's been cleaning my house since about 6 months of age, hehe.

>

> Anyway, back to the tasting, I remember tasting mud, and not finding it

> overly pleasant. He's never tasted mud, but never ate sand either, which

> most kids seem to eat by the bucketful. He did get sand in his mouth once

> at the playground, and had a pink fit until I washed it all out. Not sure

> how it works as a dietary thing, but exposure to bacteria can help the

> immune system.

>

> Caron