Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2007 I don't think anyone is being hostile. I know I am not. I don't think El is either. I just think consuming urine as a general health practice would do the opposite. There has already been statements as to why this would be a health risk. And even if one does not believe there is a health risk, there has certainly been nothing stated that would lead one to believe that it is a healthy practice. Of course kids eat boogers and slurp their snot all the time. And they survive in spite of it. Same for drinking blood. People that claim to be vampires do this. Other than in a situation where it was consuming urine or loosing ones life. Or to ease the discomfort of jelly fish stings when you have nothing else. I see no point in drinking urine or spreading it on your body. But for those of you that enjoy consuming body fluids of your own or someone elses, it is no skin off my nose. But no one is going to convince me that is of a benifit to someones health. I am far more inclined to believe the opposite. And I won't even touch on the eating dead bodies as a health benefit. Unless it would keep you from starving to death. And I will say no more. We are beating a dead horse over this issue. Belinda rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > why not? > > ive seen a lot of disgust but no one. > no one..has shown empirical evidence that urine use is detrimental for > regular use. > > yes..it can burn..it can be acidic..it turns into ammonia..all of > that...but where has harm been shown if used appropriately? > > i think you guys are prejudiced against it and are arguing emotionally > but leaving out the substantive facts. > > weve provided lots of successful uses...i have yet to hear ONE > example of poisoning or detriment when used right... > > or did i miss it?? > > <wondering why the hostility....?> > > anna > > On 6/14/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote: > > Such as in the case several years ago when the med students/soccor > > players crashed in the Andis Mountains. > > As some may remember, they had to resort to consuming some of the > > dead bodies in order to survive. > > Gave them nourishment enough to survive until they were rescued. > > > > As I remember, they too drank watered down urine as well. > > > > Though both of these things saved their lives, wouldn' be recomended > > on an ongoing bases. > > > > Belinda > > > > > > rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes, indeed. Urine can help . and this is an example of a trauma > > involving a > > > specific poison, not of an ongoing health issue. In the presence of > > trauma, > > > famine, etc., we might do all sorts of things we might otherwise > > not choose > > > to do. Absolutely. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Elchanan > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > rawfood [rawfood ] On > > Behalf Of > > > Kerri Hagan > > > Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:45 PM > > > rawfood > > > [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay everyone..... > > > > > > I know this to be true, from experience.... > > > > > > IF you ever get stung by a jellyfish, urine WILL help > > > it. > > > > > > As gross as it may be/seem, and while I don't > > > understand how exactly it helps (meaning the chemistry > > > behind it), it does reduce pain and swelling of the > > > sting. > > > > > > That being said, I've never had to pee on myself since > > > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives > > you all > > > the tools to get online. > > > http://smallbusines <http://smallbusiness./webhosting> > > > s./webhosting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 14, 2007 youre using words like " think " ... " feel " ... " believe " ....you and others i mean.. again....there has not been an example of detriment provided...only emotion and conjecture. your choice of " snot " and " buggers " when you can use mucus or phlegm...can be perceived as hostile... Youre choosing words of disgust instead of neutral words of description. Same goes for word choices by elchanan...and others. im trying to be honest..id like you guys to be honest too. You have no reason other than emotion for why urine can not be used regularly for certain applications. we have listed benefits...give back detriments..or stop the obvious digs..because its starting to look like you guys are coming from a place of ego..not logic or facts...and this lowers your credibility. denying the attitudes is intellectually dishonest. if it just grosses you out SAY THAT....then we can all see theres no reason to avoid urine. Because there isnt. Youre just afraid of it. thanks anna On 6/14/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote: > I don't think anyone is being hostile. I know I am not. I don't > think El is either. > > I just think consuming urine as a general health practice would do > the opposite. There has already been statements as to why this would > be a health risk. And even if one does not believe there is a health > risk, there has certainly been nothing stated that would lead one to > believe that it is a healthy practice. Of course kids eat boogers > and slurp their snot all the time. And they survive in spite of it. > Same for drinking blood. People that claim to be vampires do this. > > Other than in a situation where it was consuming urine or loosing > ones life. Or to ease the discomfort of jelly fish stings when you > have nothing else. I see no point in drinking urine or spreading it > on your body. > > > But for those of you that enjoy consuming body fluids of your own or > someone elses, it is no skin off my nose. But no one is going to > convince me that is of a benifit to someones health. I am far more > inclined to believe the opposite. > > And I won't even touch on the eating dead bodies as a health benefit. > Unless it would keep you from starving to death. > > And I will say no more. We are beating a dead horse over this issue. > > Belinda > > > > > rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > > > why not? > > > > ive seen a lot of disgust but no one. > > no one..has shown empirical evidence that urine use is detrimental > for > > regular use. > > > > yes..it can burn..it can be acidic..it turns into ammonia..all of > > that...but where has harm been shown if used appropriately? > > > > i think you guys are prejudiced against it and are arguing > emotionally > > but leaving out the substantive facts. > > > > weve provided lots of successful uses...i have yet to hear ONE > > example of poisoning or detriment when used right... > > > > or did i miss it?? > > > > <wondering why the hostility....?> > > > > anna > > > > On 6/14/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote: > > > Such as in the case several years ago when the med students/soccor > > > players crashed in the Andis Mountains. > > > As some may remember, they had to resort to consuming some of the > > > dead bodies in order to survive. > > > Gave them nourishment enough to survive until they were rescued. > > > > > > As I remember, they too drank watered down urine as well. > > > > > > Though both of these things saved their lives, wouldn' be > recomended > > > on an ongoing bases. > > > > > > Belinda > > > > > > > > > rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, indeed. Urine can help . and this is an example of a trauma > > > involving a > > > > specific poison, not of an ongoing health issue. In the > presence of > > > trauma, > > > > famine, etc., we might do all sorts of things we might otherwise > > > not choose > > > > to do. Absolutely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Elchanan > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > rawfood [rawfood ] > On > > > Behalf Of > > > > Kerri Hagan > > > > Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:45 PM > > > > rawfood > > > > [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay everyone..... > > > > > > > > I know this to be true, from experience.... > > > > > > > > IF you ever get stung by a jellyfish, urine WILL help > > > > it. > > > > > > > > As gross as it may be/seem, and while I don't > > > > understand how exactly it helps (meaning the chemistry > > > > behind it), it does reduce pain and swelling of the > > > > sting. > > > > > > > > That being said, I've never had to pee on myself since > > > > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. 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Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2007 On Thursday 14 June 2007 17:43, Belinda wrote: > Is the urine not exposed to the air before you drink it? I'm not exactly sure what you are implying here? but yes it is collected in a glass and drunk from there. > Or does it take some time for it to convert to amonia? > > Belinda I understand that as long as it is drunk while it is still warm it is fine and that it only starts to break down once it cools to some temperature which will obviously take time. it goes all the way back to the Vedas, then Hinduism and even Jesus said " out of your bellies shall come rivers of living water " . (that's one pro ut like to quote and finally amniotic fluid is mostly urine, around 80% and is needed for the proper development of the lungs. neal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2007 On Thursday 14 June 2007 22:27, Anna Bishop wrote: > youre using words like " think " ... " feel " ... " believe " ....you and others i > mean.. > > again....there has not been an example of detriment provided...only > emotion and conjecture. > > your choice of " snot " and " buggers " when you can use mucus or > phlegm...can be perceived as hostile... Youre choosing words of > disgust instead of neutral words of description. Same goes for word > choices by elchanan...and others. > > im trying to be honest..id like you guys to be honest too. You have no > reason other than emotion for why urine can not be used regularly for > certain applications. > > we have listed benefits...give back detriments..or stop the obvious > digs..because its starting to look like you guys are coming from a > place of ego..not logic or facts...and this lowers your credibility. > > denying the attitudes is intellectually dishonest. > > if it just grosses you out SAY THAT....then we can all see theres no > reason to avoid urine. Because there isnt. Youre just afraid of it. > > thanks > anna maybe a bit of fun; take one new born baby, wrap in appropriate clothes for best comfort according to means, wrap in nappy to keep clothes dry. change nappy regularly. occasionally change nappy after urine has started to decompose and smells of ammonia. repeat daily occassionally change babies nappy and hold well away from body, perhaps make some unpleasant sounds. occassionally when baby gets nappy rash, treat them with love and care, sooth the soreness and admonish the bad nappy. allow time for baby to associate smell with nappy rash pain. after some time potty training. get young child to use potty. praise them for doing it in the potty. if they spill it on the floor make a bit of fuss. clean it up showing some distaste or displeasure. tell them to be more carefull. ..... I've been a child and been a parent too. There's no finger pointing going on here. The point is we all go through this kind of thing as children, there's no conspiracy to it. It is how we learn, but much of it is in ignorance both as children and then as parents. I posted something based on my own direct experience and a lot of prior research and received a lot of negative posts based on.....think and believe. If you've got any kind of negative response and you haven't looked into it truly, just realise where it comes from. It could be called conditioning, but is simply what we learned as the right thing to do. This kind of furor? always happens whenever I mention Urine Therapy, especially in public. LOL . neal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2007 oh i just bet you do!! conditioning...thats the word that popped into my head this afternoon...i wish i had used it in my email...its no ones fault.. its what were used to....but we miss out on very interesting things when we lock out new, and sometimes shocking, information.... i will say this...you will never...and i do mean never, hear me, or read me, EVER discussing the positive aspects of SCAT! EEEEWWWWWW!!! 8-D anna > > I've been a child and been a parent too. There's no finger pointing going > on > here. The point is we all go through this kind of thing as children, > there's > no conspiracy to it. It is how we learn, but much of it is in ignorance > both > as children and then as parents. > > I posted something based on my own direct experience and a lot of prior > research and received a lot of negative posts based on.....think and > believe. > If you've got any kind of negative response and you haven't looked into it > truly, just realise where it comes from. It could be called conditioning, > but > is simply what we learned as the right thing to do. > > This kind of furor? always happens whenever I mention Urine Therapy, > especially in public. LOL . > > neal. > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2007 It grosses me out big time. Not because I'm " afraid " of it. It grosses me out because it is a something my body gets " rid " of. It grosses me out because it carries bacteria out of my body, it carries other things that are not desirable to keep in my body. It grosses me out because it is what is processed by my organs to keep my body going. I am not " afraid " of any bodily functions. I just choose not to injest any of them. How do you know if there is not any blood or mucus in your urine? How are you so sure that it is so " clean " . Anna, you seem such a proponet of drinking urine. Do you or have you partaken of your own urine? Do you speak of experience of having drank your own urine? Or are you speaking with out having actually tasted your own urine? I'm just curious. Jeannie your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. Anna Bishop <mowthpeece rawfood Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:27:47 PM Re: [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson youre using words like " think " ... " feel " ... " believe " ....you and others i mean.. again....there has not been an example of detriment provided...only emotion and conjecture. your choice of " snot " and " buggers " when you can use mucus or phlegm...can be perceived as hostile... Youre choosing words of disgust instead of neutral words of description. Same goes for word choices by elchanan...and others. im trying to be honest..id like you guys to be honest too. You have no reason other than emotion for why urine can not be used regularly for certain applications. we have listed benefits...give back detriments..or stop the obvious digs..because its starting to look like you guys are coming from a place of ego..not logic or facts...and this lowers your credibility. denying the attitudes is intellectually dishonest. if it just grosses you out SAY THAT....then we can all see theres no reason to avoid urine. Because there isnt. Youre just afraid of it. thanks anna On 6/14/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote: > I don't think anyone is being hostile. I know I am not. I don't > think El is either. > > I just think consuming urine as a general health practice would do > the opposite. There has already been statements as to why this would > be a health risk. And even if one does not believe there is a health > risk, there has certainly been nothing stated that would lead one to > believe that it is a healthy practice. Of course kids eat boogers > and slurp their snot all the time. And they survive in spite of it. > Same for drinking blood. People that claim to be vampires do this. > > Other than in a situation where it was consuming urine or loosing > ones life. Or to ease the discomfort of jelly fish stings when you > have nothing else. I see no point in drinking urine or spreading it > on your body. > > > But for those of you that enjoy consuming body fluids of your own or > someone elses, it is no skin off my nose. But no one is going to > convince me that is of a benifit to someones health. I am far more > inclined to believe the opposite. > > And I won't even touch on the eating dead bodies as a health benefit. > Unless it would keep you from starving to death. > > And I will say no more. We are beating a dead horse over this issue. > > Belinda > > > > > rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote: > > > > why not? > > > > ive seen a lot of disgust but no one. > > no one..has shown empirical evidence that urine use is detrimental > for > > regular use. > > > > yes..it can burn..it can be acidic..it turns into ammonia..all of > > that...but where has harm been shown if used appropriately? > > > > i think you guys are prejudiced against it and are arguing > emotionally > > but leaving out the substantive facts. > > > > weve provided lots of successful uses...i have yet to hear ONE > > example of poisoning or detriment when used right... > > > > or did i miss it?? > > > > <wondering why the hostility....?> > > > > anna > > > > On 6/14/07, Belinda <MistyBlueTN wrote: > > > Such as in the case several years ago when the med students/soccor > > > players crashed in the Andis Mountains. > > > As some may remember, they had to resort to consuming some of the > > > dead bodies in order to survive. > > > Gave them nourishment enough to survive until they were rescued. > > > > > > As I remember, they too drank watered down urine as well. > > > > > > Though both of these things saved their lives, wouldn' be > recomended > > > on an ongoing bases. > > > > > > Belinda > > > > > > > > > rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, indeed. Urine can help . and this is an example of a trauma > > > involving a > > > > specific poison, not of an ongoing health issue. In the > presence of > > > trauma, > > > > famine, etc., we might do all sorts of things we might otherwise > > > not choose > > > > to do. Absolutely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Elchanan > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > rawfood [rawfood ] > On > > > Behalf Of > > > > Kerri Hagan > > > > Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:45 PM > > > > rawfood > > > > [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay everyone..... > > > > > > > > I know this to be true, from experience.... > > > > > > > > IF you ever get stung by a jellyfish, urine WILL help > > > > it. > > > > > > > > As gross as it may be/seem, and while I don't > > > > understand how exactly it helps (meaning the chemistry > > > > behind it), it does reduce pain and swelling of the > > > > sting. > > > > > > > > That being said, I've never had to pee on myself since > > > > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business > gives > > > you all > > > > the tools to get online. > > > > http://smallbusines <http://smallbusiness./webhosting> > > > > s./webhosting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2007 I can't believe you guys are REALLY having an argument about PISS! Ok, I think drinking urine is disgusting, but everyone here should be mature enough to express their ideas, appreciate ALL others' views, and then let it go. The conversation is a little weird and has ventured far from its original purpose. Everyone here joined this group for support, help, ideas, recipes, etc. for RAW FOOD LIVING. Let's get back on track now. Also, your emails are clogging my email account. PLEASE learn how to cut down your emails. Your stupid argument (that's the way I FEEL) is taking up so much room in the daily digests that the email is cut off and I can't read stuff at the bottom that MIGHT actually interest me. Thanks, Jenn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2007 LOL. Jenn, in fairness (and with a touch of lightheartedness), no one has recommended heating the urine before drinking or applying it. So it is indeed raw. And if they are eating it, then from their perspective, it is food. Down boy, down boy! Back in your cage . Trim our posts, trim our posts, we all must learn to trim our posts. Where are my Wheaties now? _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of rabbit_is_wise_04 Friday, June 15, 2007 5:26 AM rawfood [Raw Food] Re: A painful lesson I can't believe you guys are REALLY having an argument about PISS! Ok, I think drinking urine is disgusting, but everyone here should be mature enough to express their ideas, appreciate ALL others' views, and then let it go. The conversation is a little weird and has ventured far from its original purpose. Everyone here joined this group for support, help, ideas, recipes, etc. for RAW FOOD LIVING. Let's get back on track now. Also, your emails are clogging my email account. PLEASE learn how to cut down your emails. Your stupid argument (that's the way I FEEL) is taking up so much room in the daily digests that the email is cut off and I can't read stuff at the bottom that MIGHT actually interest me. Thanks, Jenn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2007 On Friday 15 June 2007 12:26, rabbit_is_wise_04 wrote: > I can't believe you guys are REALLY having an argument about PISS! > Ok, I think drinking urine is disgusting, but everyone here should be > mature enough to express their ideas, appreciate ALL others' views, > and then let it go. The conversation is a little weird and has > ventured far from its original purpose. Everyone here joined this > group for support, help, ideas, recipes, etc. for RAW FOOD LIVING. > Let's get back on track now. Your point is taken. There is no argument, the facts speak for themselves. I am here because I have an interest in both urine therapy and raw food and they seem to be the perfect complement. It was ut that brought me to looking into Raw and then to start adopting something else new in life. Isn't the motivation that brings people here that they have stopped believing all the bs that is fed them daily and have for whatever reason, need, desperation, interest started looking independently? and being more open to the non-conventional beyond the conditioning? neal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2007 exactly. Thank you neal. there was never any argument... i asked folks to be honest about their true reasons for being against urine use...and to provide real substantive facts against it. there were none....it was heavily emotional conditioning... And thats fine...we all learned about both urine's uses and the power of conditioning... were here to learn...im glad it was brought up. but no argument.....what for? Thats silly.. peace anna On 6/15/07, neal <kneel.pardoe wrote: > On Friday 15 June 2007 12:26, rabbit_is_wise_04 wrote: > > I can't believe you guys are REALLY having an argument about PISS! > > Ok, I think drinking urine is disgusting, but everyone here should be > > mature enough to express their ideas, appreciate ALL others' views, > > and then let it go. The conversation is a little weird and has > > ventured far from its original purpose. Everyone here joined this > > group for support, help, ideas, recipes, etc. for RAW FOOD LIVING. > > Let's get back on track now. > > Your point is taken. There is no argument, the facts speak for themselves. > > I am here because I have an interest in both urine therapy and raw food and > they seem to be the perfect complement. It was ut that brought me to looking > into Raw and then to start adopting something else new in life. > > Isn't the motivation that brings people here that they have stopped > believing > all the bs that is fed them daily and have for whatever reason, need, > desperation, interest started looking independently? and being more open to > the non-conventional beyond the conditioning? > > neal. > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
