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June 9, 2007

Well I am from the southeast. And grew up with grits. Never have

cared much for them though. I didn't eat any rice until I was nearly

grown.

Belinda

rawfood , jeannieh h <jeannieh99 wrote:

>

> mooove over you cubana............lol I love your rice with

plantains and black beans.......yummmm-o. I can eat myself sick on

those things.

>

> As a middle easterner.........I grew up with rice and yogurt. lol

>

> I think that many cultures grew up with rice as a staple. Perhaps

because it has always been relatively cheap and a little goes a long

way. We ate rice with every single meal growing up.

>

> I HAVE to stay away from rice because for me, there is no " I'll

just have a little " .

>

> Jeannie

>

> your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised

to no one.

>

> Anna Bishop <mowthpeece

> rawfood

> Friday, June 8, 2007 3:23:36 PM

> Re: [Raw Food] Re: Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin

failed (WAS: How long could you live on ...? (WAS: Deodorant)

>

> oooooo rriiicceeee...

> im cuban......you just hit on a MAJOR comfort food for aaaalll

cubans!

>

> when raw i dont eat it. Serves no purpose but to bloat me and

> constipate. Theres no nutrition in white rice. I dont like

> brown...didnt grow up eating it!

>

> but rice is *supposed to be* a universal nonallergen. Asians eat

> it..it works for them...they dont overeat though...i would! I looove

> it...

>

> i dont recommend it on a raw diet...its empty starch that wastes

> nutrition calories better used elsewhere.

>

> im sure elchanan has the straight poop on rice..id love to hear

it..as

> a former rice addict..

>

> peace

> anna

>

June 9, 2007

Anna you are an inspiration to me.

If you can give up the comfort foods that you were raised on, then I

should be able to, too. Being raised in the south with all the

wonderful southern cooking, is hard to give up.

Fried everything, and some kind of meat fat or grease to season all

vegitable dishes. Gravey goes on most everything. Yum. And those

chicken and dumplins are too wonderful.

But layers of fat, clogged artieres, high blood pressure and all that

goes with it, it is not worth it. Most everyone I love suffers from

all these things and I will either have to give them up far too early

or watch them suffer for many years until they do succumb to the

dieseases.

Not me. I want to die of nothing. )

I want to go skipping thru life whistling and singing, feeling

good .......then bam.... I'm outta here, to a better life.

Belinda

But the reprocussions from it, I will not miss.

rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

>

> LOL! i know the feeling!!

>

> but how bout those allergies?....i knew it....dumb to say universal

> non allergen...i didnt believe it either...shame tho' gooosh...

>

> like jeannie mentioned,,,rice, black beans, fried bananas...

> yyuuuummmooooo, we cubans are hard core for rice....

>

> got a cuban restaurant down the street...you wanna talk

> comfort food? way too much temptation in this town..

>

> but were gettin' a handle on this...yes we aaaarrreee....

>

> anna

>

> On 6/8/07, Caron <carongroups wrote:

> >

> > -

> > Anna Bishop

> > >but rice is *supposed to be* a universal nonallergen. Asians eat

> > it..it works for them...they dont overeat though...i would! I

looove

> > it...

> >

> > I know at least 3 people allergic to rice ;o) My brother, a

friend of

> > mine,

> > and her baby girl. People are allergic to anything and everything

these

> > days, even fruit. (I suspect a lot of it is to do with other

foods they

> > eat,

> > and/or chemicals in their environment, which tax their system and

cause it

> > to take it out on the good stuff)

> >

> > I stopped eating rice a while back when I had a tummy bug, and

haven't

> > really missed it. Just trying to wean my boy off it too - he gets

> > constipated on white rice, and goes about with a basketball belly

for a

> > few

> > days afterwards.

> >

> > Caron

> >

June 10, 2007

controlled servings means its impolite to overeat...so each serving is

modest...now they could eat many different items...

compared to a cuban meal where you are served a huge plate of rice

under the main meat serving and are expected to go bck for 2nds and

3rds...

cubans are chunky..rarely hugely obese like you see here in the US.

Because the food is consistent and hommade...usually....

theyr not into fast food...unless they were just liberated to america

and because they were starving in cuba...theyv gorged..ive seen this

first hand.

but japanese dont " gorge " an anything....not in any way you would

recognize as gorging...not the ones ive known and watched...

peace

anna

On 6/8/07, Caron <carongroups wrote:

>

> -

> Anna Bishop

> >but how bout those allergies?....i knew it....dumb to say universal

> non allergen...i didnt believe it either...shame tho' gooosh...

>

> Yep! My brother's also allergic to bananas, poor bloke.

>

> >like jeannie mentioned,,,rice, black beans, fried bananas...

> yyuuuummmooooo, we cubans are hard core for rice....

>

> Haven't tried that, but I ate a LOT of rice when I was in Japan - I'm not

> sure what people mean by " they limit it " , as it seemed to be the base of

> every meal, sometimes the whole meal (I stayed with a middle-to-upper class

> family, so I don't think it was a $ issue). We'd have a bowl of rice, and

> crack an egg into it (YUM!), or have tempura or similar on the side. They

> have rice in sushi, rice balls, a soup with a ball of rice paste in it that

> was like glue (had a hard time eating that one, but it was for new year's,

> so had to), and even their wine is fermented rice. They did comment on how

> tall I was (5'6 " , and towered over nearly everyone. I met 2 people taller

> than me the whole time I was there, both males, 16-20yo), and said it must

> have been because of the milk.

>

> >got a cuban restaurant down the street...you wanna talk

> comfort food? way too much temptation in this town..

>

> >but were gettin' a handle on this...yes we aaaarrreee....

>

> Good on you ) I'm having a hard time with mum-cooked meals (I live in the

> same town as my parents, so we visit a lot), more than anything. No problem

> with cooking at home, I've never been good at it, hehe.

>

> Caron

>

June 10, 2007

erin

i totally appreciate what youre saying.

but my position is that if *most* of the lettuce in the country has

splenda on it...it really IS accurate to say lettuce is a sucralose

containing product.

in THIS country..because its contaminated here.

it isnt botanically accurate..but how many marginal people on mediocre

diets...*that are seeing a doctor already so assume theyr sick* are

really open to trying to find " pure " lettuce...theyr not..and

dieticians know this...so they round out the info and give the generic

handout to patients telling them to avoid lettuce..

its the easiest way...you are splitting hairs where dietitions are

clumping it..youre thinking like a rawfoodist and i submit to you that

most others do not.

and youre right...its a nonissue for me..so i honestly didnt care to debate it.

but here we are..bottomline..if most lettuce were contaminated with

splenda...and people were allergic to it...its proper to label it a

sucralose containing product. Except in botany class 8-)

peace

anna

On 6/9/07, Erin <truepatriot wrote:

> I had mentioned cross-contamination. Nevertheless, even so

> that does not mean the oats themselves contain gluten. That

> would be like sprinkling a little artificial sweetener onto

> lettuce and claiming it has Sucralose in it or something.

> So, it is possible to buy oats that have never been processed

> in factories containing wheat, etc., *if* that's what you

> wanted to do. But, like you say, it's a moot point for you.

>

> -Erin

> http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html

>

> rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> >

> > oh thats fine..i ckd the internet again in case there was new

> info..i

> > am not into nutrition so much as religion these days..so i may not

> > have current reaearch data..

> >

> > i found plenty that says its got gluten..and 2 sites saying it may

> be

> > cuz of contamination...only " pure " oats..whatever that is to us in

> the

> > US....doesnt...

> >

> > so om sticking with it does...

> >

> > but its moot anyway cuz im shootin for raw..so wwhhaatteevveerr..

> >

> > peace

> > anna

> >

> > On 6/8/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

> > > Erin only said it's not gluten. He never said it's not glue-

> like. :)

> > >

> > > Elchanan

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > rawfood [rawfood ] On

> Behalf Of

> > > Anna Bishop

> > > Friday, June 08, 2007 5:38 PM

> > > rawfood

> > > Re: [Raw Food] Re: Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin

> failed

> > > (WAS: How long could you live on ...? (WAS: Deodorant)

> > >

> > > then everything ive ever read about oats has been wrong.

> > >

> > > and the sticky gluey stuff in them has been a figment of my

> > > imagination. As has my allergic reaction to it and the blood test

> > > telling me what foods had gluten that indicated oats.

> > >

> > > im open to whatever is true. But i have read for yyyeeaarrs that

> it does.

> > >

> > > its not worth me arguing over it. I cant eat it.

> > > im done.

> > >

> > > peace

> > > anna

> > >

June 10, 2007

I didn't realize we were debating. I thought I was educating.

I suggest it is not that difficult to obtain gluten-free oats,

even here in the US of A. For example:

http://www.glutenfreeoats.com

http://www.giftsofnature.net

Furthermore, with celiac-support organizations warning of cross-

contamination in your standard Quaker oats, I reckon it is one

of the first things sufferers learn. It may, of course, initially

come as a shock, just like a new vegetarian learning about gelatin.

But, similarly, the vegetarian also learns this does not mean that

yogurt, for example, is off limits. It only means you should read

the label. Picking a gelatin-free yogurt is no hardship.

And those with peanut allergies, etc., avoid products marked

" may contain peanuts " and find alternates, not having to declare

all cereals, chocolate bars, etc., peanut-laden.

It occurs to me you were perhaps confusing gluTEN with the beta

gluCAN found in oats? <shrug>

-Erin

http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html

rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

>

> erin

>

> i totally appreciate what youre saying.

>

> but my position is that if *most* of the lettuce in the country has

> splenda on it...it really IS accurate to say lettuce is a sucralose

> containing product.

> in THIS country..because its contaminated here.

> it isnt botanically accurate..but how many marginal people on

mediocre

> diets...*that are seeing a doctor already so assume theyr sick* are

> really open to trying to find " pure " lettuce...theyr not..and

> dieticians know this...so they round out the info and give the

generic

> handout to patients telling them to avoid lettuce..

>

> its the easiest way...you are splitting hairs where dietitions are

> clumping it..youre thinking like a rawfoodist and i submit to you

that

> most others do not.

>

> and youre right...its a nonissue for me..so i honestly didnt care

to debate it.

>

> but here we are..bottomline..if most lettuce were contaminated with

> splenda...and people were allergic to it...its proper to label it a

> sucralose containing product. Except in botany class 8-)

>

> peace

> anna

June 11, 2007

anythings possible...

but i dont have celiac.just fyi...

at least not diagnosed.

i had my blood tested for allergies.

they said allergy to gluten.

they gave list of foods to avoid.

oats was under gluten.

you know as much as me..except i found gluten and oats related in

every nutrition book i read and dozens of websites.

but its wonderful to kno that if i find pure oats..i can eat it...

thx erin

anna

On 6/10/07, Erin <truepatriot wrote:

> I didn't realize we were debating. I thought I was educating.

>

> I suggest it is not that difficult to obtain gluten-free oats,

> even here in the US of A. For example:

>

> http://www.glutenfreeoats.com

> http://www.giftsofnature.net

>

> Furthermore, with celiac-support organizations warning of cross-

> contamination in your standard Quaker oats, I reckon it is one

> of the first things sufferers learn. It may, of course, initially

> come as a shock, just like a new vegetarian learning about gelatin.

> But, similarly, the vegetarian also learns this does not mean that

> yogurt, for example, is off limits. It only means you should read

> the label. Picking a gelatin-free yogurt is no hardship.

>

> And those with peanut allergies, etc., avoid products marked

> " may contain peanuts " and find alternates, not having to declare

> all cereals, chocolate bars, etc., peanut-laden.

>

> It occurs to me you were perhaps confusing gluTEN with the beta

> gluCAN found in oats? <shrug>

>

> -Erin

> http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html

>

> rawfood , " Anna Bishop " <mowthpeece wrote:

> >

> > erin

> >

> > i totally appreciate what youre saying.

> >

> > but my position is that if *most* of the lettuce in the country has

> > splenda on it...it really IS accurate to say lettuce is a sucralose

> > containing product.

> > in THIS country..because its contaminated here.

> > it isnt botanically accurate..but how many marginal people on

> mediocre

> > diets...*that are seeing a doctor already so assume theyr sick* are

> > really open to trying to find " pure " lettuce...theyr not..and

> > dieticians know this...so they round out the info and give the

> generic

> > handout to patients telling them to avoid lettuce..

> >

> > its the easiest way...you are splitting hairs where dietitions are

> > clumping it..youre thinking like a rawfoodist and i submit to you

> that

> > most others do not.

> >

> > and youre right...its a nonissue for me..so i honestly didnt care

> to debate it.

> >

> > but here we are..bottomline..if most lettuce were contaminated with

> > splenda...and people were allergic to it...its proper to label it a

> > sucralose containing product. Except in botany class 8-)

> >

> > peace

> > anna

>

June 11, 2007

-

Anna Bishop

>controlled servings means its impolite to overeat...so each serving is

modest...now they could eat many different items...

That makes a lot of sense! They do have restaurants there where a conveyor

belt type setup goes around with plates on it, and you grab off a plate to

eat, where I'm sure it would be easy to overeat. I never felt deprived on

the portions they served though, generally they were at least adequate.

>compared to a cuban meal where you are served a huge plate of rice

under the main meat serving and are expected to go bck for 2nds and

3rds...

cubans are chunky..rarely hugely obese like you see here in the US.

Because the food is consistent and hommade...usually....

theyr not into fast food...unless they were just liberated to america

and because they were starving in cuba...theyv gorged..ive seen this

first hand.

Also seems to make sense. I haven't met any Cubans (in real life), but have

seen and known a lot of islanders around here: the kids and teenage boys

tend to be skinny, teenage girls are curvy, adult women are often quite

large, while adult men tend to be very muscular, turning to fat as they get

older. They're much more prone to diabeties eating a western diet.

>but japanese dont " gorge " an anything....not in any way you would

recognize as gorging...not the ones ive known and watched...

In day to day life, no. New Year's day though, tiny grandma turned into a

mini vacuum cleaner, hehe. It seemed to be a sign of respect that the

" children " ate a normal portion, and the rest was left to her. She was very

tiny though, in height and girth.

One thing I noticed, which struck me as odd, was that a lot of their fruit

was HUGE. I saw apples almost as big as my head, on one of my few trips to

the grocery store. Most likely GM, but still bizarre, given how small the

rest of their world and people seem to be (by world I mean their cars,

houses, appliances, etc). I loved Japan for the cuteness factor (and in

general), but those huge fruit were kinda scary, hehe.

Caron

June 11, 2007

you wrote:

" I haven't met any Cubans (in real life), but have

seen and known a lot of islanders around here: the kids and teenage boys

tend to be skinny, teenage girls are curvy, adult women are often quite

large, while adult men tend to be very muscular, turning to fat as they get

older. They're much more prone to diabeties eating a western diet. "

What Island are you from?

What is the typical diet?

Jeannie

your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one.

Caron <carongroups

rawfood

Monday, June 11, 2007 6:43:25 AM

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