Vitamin D requirements

[Guest guest]

All dark leafy green vegetables have Vitamin D. There are alot of recipies out

there for green smoothies and green drinks that will help you out.

 

Jan <jantese wrote: Hi all,

 

Lately I've been concerned about getting enough Vitamin D, especially

during these cold winter months in the northern clime when I can't

get adequate sun exposure. It seems at least once a week, I run

across an article somewhere saying that many people are deficient in

Vitamin D. I've been wondering if those of you on a 100% raw vegan

diet take Vitamin D supplements, or use a sun lamp.

 

Elchanan, what do you recommend? I recently read Dr. Douglas

Graham's book " The 80/10/10 Diet " and don't remember this issue being

addressed in it. And since the book lacks an index, it's difficult

to go back and find any reference to it, if it was mentioned.

 

Since plants have no need for Vitamin D, there are really no natural

plant food sources of it. This article from the National Institutes

of Health lists foods that are high in Vitamin D: fish oils, egg

yolks, beef liver, fortified milk, cheese - all animal-derived foods,

rich in fats, and not something that raw foodists are likely to eat.

 

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamind.asp

 

I found " Vegan D " tablets in the health food store that contains D2

(as opposed to D3 from animals), but I wonder how good that is as a

source.

 

This is from the above NIH article:

 

" Sun exposure is perhaps the most important source of vitamin D

because exposure to sunlight provides most humans with their vitamin

D requirement. UV rays from the sun trigger vitamin D synthesis in

skin. Season, geographic latitude, time of day, cloud cover, smog,

and sunscreen affect UV ray exposure and vitamin D synthesis. For

example, sunlight exposure from November through February in Boston

is insufficient to produce significant vitamin D synthesis in the

skin. Complete cloud cover halves the energy of UV rays, and shade

reduces it by 60%. Industrial pollution, which increases shade, also

decreases sun exposure and may contribute to the development of

rickets in individuals with insufficient dietary intake of vitamin D.

Sunscreens with a sun protection factor (SPF) of 8 or greater will

block UV rays that produce vitamin D. "

 

Jan

 

 

[Guest guest]

No, I don't think that's correct. Can you provide a source, or

references, for your information, please?

 

Jan

 

On Feb 19, 2007, at 6:39 AM, Donna Chapman wrote:

 

> All dark leafy green vegetables have Vitamin D.

>

[Guest guest]

Vitamin D has been getting a lot of press lately

as even the RDA is being reconsidered as perhaps

too low. In higher doses, it is showing promise

as an anti-cancer agent, etc.. For all the gory

details, see the research compiled at:

 

http://www.vitamindcouncil.com/

 

You asked also about D2 vs D3 forms of the vitamin.

They cover that here:

 

http://www.vitamindcouncil.com/vitaminDPharmacology.shtml

 

 

Hope this helps,

-Erin

www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

[Guest guest]

Dark green leafy vegetables are good sources of iron, calcium, vitamins A,

C, folic acid (a B vitaimin)) & sometimes K.

 

 

 

Pat

 

 

 

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Jan

Monday, February 19, 2007 8:19 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Vitamin D requirements

 

 

 

No, I don't think that's correct. Can you provide a source, or

references, for your information, please?

 

Jan

 

On Feb 19, 2007, at 6:39 AM, Donna Chapman wrote:

 

> All dark leafy green vegetables have Vitamin D.

>

 

_,_._,___

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Ok, so no Vitamin D in dark green leafy vegetables, contrary to what

Donna had claimed in an earlier message.

 

Do you take a Vitamin D supplement?

 

Jan

 

 

On Feb 19, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Pat Carson wrote:

 

> Dark green leafy vegetables are good sources of iron, calcium,

> vitamins A,

> C, folic acid (a B vitaimin)) & sometimes K.

>

>

>

> Pat

>

[Guest guest]

Sources of Vitamin D:

 

 

 

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamind.asp

 

 

 

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Pat Carson

Monday, February 19, 2007 11:50 AM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Vitamin D requirements

 

 

 

* Dark green leafy vegetables are good sources of iron, calcium, vitamins

A,

C, folic acid (a B vitaimin)) & sometimes K.

 

Pat

 

_____

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I do not take a vitamin D supplement. I try to be outside everyday that it

is sunny.

 

 

 

Faith

 

 

 

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Jan

Monday, February 19, 2007 1:16 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Vitamin D requirements

 

 

 

Ok, so no Vitamin D in dark green leafy vegetables, contrary to what

Donna had claimed in an earlier message.

 

Do you take a Vitamin D supplement?

 

Jan

 

On Feb 19, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Pat Carson wrote:

 

> Dark green leafy vegetables are good sources of iron, calcium,

> vitamins A,

> C, folic acid (a B vitaimin)) & sometimes K.

>

>

>

> Pat

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I just did a quick search on vegetables vitamin D and that was what came up in

every single site.

 

Jan <jantese wrote: No, I don't think that's correct. Can

you provide a source, or

references, for your information, please?

 

Jan

 

On Feb 19, 2007, at 6:39 AM, Donna Chapman wrote:

 

> All dark leafy green vegetables have Vitamin D.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Wikipedia says that Shitake mushrooms are a veg. source of vitamin D.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D

 

 

Kemi

[Guest guest]

Erin, thanks - I'm sure you had good intentions in posting your

reply, but it missed the point of my initial inquiry. I wasn't

looking for links to information on Vitamin D. I've found plenty of

that myself by doing a Web search; in fact, I had included an

informational link in my original post.

 

Rather, I wanted to know what those on a 100% raw vegan diet do about

Vitamin D supplementation (since foods that are high in Vitamin D are

animal-derived, rich in fats, and not something that raw foodists are

likely to eat), and I was hoping Elchanan would chime in with his

recommendations.

 

Here's a portion of my original message:

 

" Lately I've been concerned about getting enough Vitamin D,

especially during these cold winter months in the northern clime when

I can't get adequate sun exposure. It seems at least once a week, I

run across an article somewhere saying that many people are deficient

in Vitamin D. I've been wondering if those of you on a 100% raw

vegan diet take Vitamin D supplements, or use a sun lamp.

 

Elchanan, what do you recommend? I recently read Dr. Douglas

Graham's book " The 80/10/10 Diet " and don't remember this issue being

addressed in it. And since the book lacks an index, it's difficult

to go back and find any reference to it, if it was mentioned. "

 

Jan

 

On Feb 19, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Erin wrote:

 

> Vitamin D has been getting a lot of press lately

> as even the RDA is being reconsidered as perhaps

> too low. In higher doses, it is showing promise

> as an anti-cancer agent, etc.. For all the gory

> details, see the research compiled at:

[Guest guest]

Kemi,

 

I had also heard about Shitakes as a source of Vitamin D. I had

read, however, that the mushrooms must have been exposed to

sufficient sunshine while growing. That's impossible to know when

you buy then in a store.

 

Jan

 

 

On Feb 23, 2007, at 6:50 PM, m00nchile wrote:

 

> Wikipedia says that Shitake mushrooms are a veg. source of vitamin D.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D

> Kemi

>

[Guest guest]

Ah, but you also asked:

 

==================================

Since plants have no need for Vitamin D, there are really no natural

plant food sources of it. This article from the National Institutes

of Health lists foods that are high in Vitamin D: fish oils, egg

yolks, beef liver, fortified milk, cheese - all animal-derived foods,

rich in fats, and not something that raw foodists are likely to eat.

 

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamind.asp

 

I found " Vegan D " tablets in the health food store that contains D2

(as opposed to D3 from animals), but I wonder how good that is as a

source.

==================================

 

So, I also provided a link to the differences.

 

Between the two references I provided, which respectively

call for greater intake than once deemed sufficient and

for D3 vs D2, it was my point that one should supplement.

 

 

-Erin

www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

 

 

rawfood , Jan <jantese wrote:

>

> Erin, thanks - I'm sure you had good intentions in posting your

> reply, but it missed the point of my initial inquiry. I wasn't

> looking for links to information on Vitamin D. I've found plenty

of

> that myself by doing a Web search; in fact, I had included an

> informational link in my original post.

>

> Rather, I wanted to know what those on a 100% raw vegan diet do

about

> Vitamin D supplementation (since foods that are high in Vitamin D

are

> animal-derived, rich in fats, and not something that raw foodists

are

> likely to eat), and I was hoping Elchanan would chime in with his

> recommendations.

>

> Here's a portion of my original message:

>

> " Lately I've been concerned about getting enough Vitamin D,

> especially during these cold winter months in the northern clime

when

> I can't get adequate sun exposure. It seems at least once a week,

I

> run across an article somewhere saying that many people are

deficient

> in Vitamin D. I've been wondering if those of you on a 100% raw

> vegan diet take Vitamin D supplements, or use a sun lamp.

>

> Elchanan, what do you recommend? I recently read Dr. Douglas

> Graham's book " The 80/10/10 Diet " and don't remember this issue

being

> addressed in it. And since the book lacks an index, it's

difficult

> to go back and find any reference to it, if it was mentioned. "

>

> Jan

>

> On Feb 19, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Erin wrote:

>

> > Vitamin D has been getting a lot of press lately

> > as even the RDA is being reconsidered as perhaps

> > too low. In higher doses, it is showing promise

> > as an anti-cancer agent, etc.. For all the gory

> > details, see the research compiled at:

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan and all,

 

We humans are designed to make vitamin D, not to eat it. To make this

substance, the primary required nutrient is sunshine. If you get outdoors

and wear as few clothes as you can for as much of the year as you can, you

will NEVER even approach a vitamin D deficiency.

 

We are designed to eat C and make D. In contrast, cats (many carnivores) are

designed to eat D and make C. I recall that they store C in their adrenal

gland, which we cannot do.

 

We require absolutely NO food source of vitamin D, only sunshine. And I know

of no source that provides a healthful supply. Animal foods are destructive

to our species, and as Erin correctly points out, plants are not a source

for this vitamin.

 

Summary: vitamin D is not a food nutrient. Rather, it is the byproduct of a

nonfood nutrient, sunshine.

 

Best to all,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Jan

Sunday, February 25, 2007 8:00 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Re: Vitamin D requirements

 

 

Erin, thanks - I'm sure you had good intentions in posting your reply, but

it missed the point of my initial inquiry. I wasn't looking for links to

information on Vitamin D. I've found plenty of that myself by doing a Web

search; in fact, I had included an informational link in my original post.

 

Rather, I wanted to know what those on a 100% raw vegan diet do about

Vitamin D supplementation (since foods that are high in Vitamin D are

animal-derived, rich in fats, and not something that raw foodists are likely

to eat), and I was hoping Elchanan would chime in with his recommendations.

 

Here's a portion of my original message:

 

" Lately I've been concerned about getting enough Vitamin D, especially

during these cold winter months in the northern clime when I can't get

adequate sun exposure. It seems at least once a week, I run across an

article somewhere saying that many people are deficient in Vitamin D. I've

been wondering if those of you on a 100% raw vegan diet take Vitamin D

supplements, or use a sun lamp.

 

Elchanan, what do you recommend? I recently read Dr. Douglas Graham's book

" The 80/10/10 Diet " and don't remember this issue being addressed in it.

And since the book lacks an index, it's difficult to go back and find any

reference to it, if it was mentioned. "

 

Jan

______

On Feb 19, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Erin wrote:

 

Vitamin D has been getting a lot of press lately as even the RDA is being

reconsidered as perhaps too low. In higher doses, it is showing promise as

an anti-cancer agent, etc.. For all the gory details, see the research

compiled at:

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[Guest guest]

Hi Elchanan,

 

Many thanks for your input on this matter. Yes, in an ideal world,

we humans should synthesize Vitamin D from sun exposure.

Unfortunately, not all of us live in a climate - year-round - that is

suitable for getting outdoors.

 

Some of us live in a northern latitude six months of the year with a

cold, blustery winter season, far from the sun's beneficial rays.

And I don't think one can soak up the sun during the summer months

and have it last throughout the winter months in such climes, do

you? And even if we manage to get away for a week's vacation in the

southern sun, that still would not be enough for the entire six

months of winter.

 

So what do you recommend for us snow bunnies? If not a Vitamin D

supplement, then a sun lamp?

 

This past week (since I'm one of those who live in a northern winter

climate and am concerned about getting adequate Vitamin D), I had my

blood drawn for a Vitamin D test: 25-hydroxy vitamin D, and 1,25-

dihydroxy vitamin D, along with serum calcium (since the two work

hand-in-hand in the body). Don't have the results back yet. I have

been taking Vegan D2 a few time a week, and eat sesame sprouts, which

is high in calcium.

 

Jan

 

 

On Mar 3, 2007, at 3:02 AM, Elchanan wrote:

 

> Hi Jan and all,

>

> We humans are designed to make vitamin D, not to eat it. To make this

> substance, the primary required nutrient is sunshine. If you get

> outdoors

> and wear as few clothes as you can for as much of the year as you

> can, you

> will NEVER even approach a vitamin D deficiency.

>

> We are designed to eat C and make D. In contrast, cats (many

> carnivores) are

> designed to eat D and make C. I recall that they store C in their

> adrenal

> gland, which we cannot do.

>

> We require absolutely NO food source of vitamin D, only sunshine.

> And I know

> of no source that provides a healthful supply. Animal foods are

> destructive

> to our species, and as Erin correctly points out, plants are not a

> source

> for this vitamin.

>

> Summary: vitamin D is not a food nutrient. Rather, it is the

> byproduct of a

> nonfood nutrient, sunshine.

>

> Best to all,

> Elchanan

> _____

[Guest guest]

I have also been wondering if tanning beds will do the same thing? I

am not sure what a tanning bed's spectral output is, but I think some

do mimic the sun's.

Anyone have any thoughts on this? It might be nice to have an excuse

to get a great tan in the middle of winter!

 

Joe

[Guest guest]

Well I just googled some information on this, and most people say that

tanning beds are NOT a good way to get vitamin D. Though tanning beds

can help produce some vitamin D, the risks of skin damage outweigh the

benefits. Also, most references indicate that it takes a much smaller

amount of sunshine to get enough vitamin D than most people think, and

you only need exposure to your hands and face and sometimes arms to

get enough, even in winter.

 

Caucasians evolved/were created to live in Northern climates - hence

the white skin. They are adapted to living for long periods with less

sunshine than one finds at the equator! Obviously! I wouldn't be

surprised if the whole vitamin D thing is blown out of proportion,

simply a way to get the public scared into buying more pharmaceutical

" supplements " , but thats just my opinion

 

Joe

 

 

 

 

 

rawfood , " Joe Postma " <joepostma wrote:

>

> I have also been wondering if tanning beds will do the same thing? I

> am not sure what a tanning bed's spectral output is, but I think some

> do mimic the sun's.

> Anyone have any thoughts on this? It might be nice to have an excuse

> to get a great tan in the middle of winter!

>

> Joe

>

[Guest guest]

What I've read is that it's UVB rays that stimulate the body's

production of vitamin D. Tanning beds emit mostly UVA rays because

those rays provide a deeper, golden tan.

 

As far as sunshine exposure in the cold, winter climates, see this

article:

 

The Synthesis of Vitamin D in the Skin and the Vitamin D Winter

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitamin-d-safety.html#dwinter

 

It says, " At most latitudes outside of the tropics, there are

substantial portions of the year during which vitamin D cannot be

obtained from sunlight. ... 'vitamin D winter' [when synthesis of

vitamin D in the skin is impossible] occurred during at least part of

the year at any latitude greater than 34 degrees. "

 

My locale's latitude is about 41 degrees. (You can find out yours by

googling your " city state latitude. " )

 

Jan

 

 

 

On Mar 3, 2007, at 2:55 PM, Joe Postma wrote:

 

> Well I just googled some information on this, and most people say that

> tanning beds are NOT a good way to get vitamin D. Though tanning beds

> can help produce some vitamin D, the risks of skin damage outweigh the

> benefits. Also, most references indicate that it takes a much smaller

> amount of sunshine to get enough vitamin D than most people think, and

> you only need exposure to your hands and face and sometimes arms to

> get enough, even in winter.

>

> Caucasians evolved/were created to live in Northern climates - hence

> the white skin. They are adapted to living for long periods with less

> sunshine than one finds at the equator! Obviously! I wouldn't be

> surprised if the whole vitamin D thing is blown out of proportion,

> simply a way to get the public scared into buying more pharmaceutical

> " supplements " , but thats just my opinion

>

> Joe

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " Joe Postma " <joepostma wrote:

 

[...]

 

> I wouldn't be

> surprised if the whole vitamin D thing is blown out of proportion,

> simply a way to get the public scared into buying more pharmaceutical

> " supplements " , but thats just my opinion

 

Well, I'd hardly put the pharmaceutical companies and supplement

manufacturers in the same boat. Their lobbies are often at odds

with one another.

 

-Erin

www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

[Guest guest]

> Well, I'd hardly put the pharmaceutical companies and supplement

> manufacturers in the same boat. Their lobbies are often at odds

> with one another.

>

> -Erin

> www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

 

 

That's interesting, I'd be interested to know in which ways.

But as a Natural Hygienist I believe anything that comes in pill form

falls into the general drug industry. In fact it was just reported in

the news that anti-oxidant supplements actually DECREASE life

expectancy! That's because anything that comes in a pill form like

that is a drug and bodily poison, no matter how " natural " it is

claimed to be - even herbal supplements.

 

The best and only things that should be entering the digestive tract

are raw organic fruits and veggies right guys!!!??? Yeah!!!

(I'm well aware of other dietary variations, I'm just saying this

would be ideal )

 

All the best!

 

Joe

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " Joe Postma " <joepostma wrote:

 

[...]

 

> In fact it was just reported in

> the news that anti-oxidant supplements actually DECREASE life

> expectancy!

 

[...]

 

That " study " has been analyzed by many and found to be flawed

in many ways. Here is one such rebuttal:

 

http://www.lef.org/featured-articles/consumer_alert_020307.htm

 

 

-Erin

www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " Joe Postma " <joepostma wrote:

>

> > Well, I'd hardly put the pharmaceutical companies and supplement

> > manufacturers in the same boat. Their lobbies are often at odds

> > with one another.

> >

> > -Erin

> > www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

>

>

> That's interesting, I'd be interested to know in which ways.

 

They are in competition with one another! Supplements are largely

unregulated, thus not burdened by expensive trials, and unpatentable.

 

 

-Erin

www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

[Guest guest]

I think it's dangerous to assume that we can only get everything from foods. We

all thought that (as raw foodists) until we started studying the soil hardcore,

etc. There is nothing wrong with whole food and superfood supplementation. I

don't know WHY so many think that is the same as a vitamin. A lot of raw

foodists suffer instead of thrive as a result of the supposed " ban " on anything

in a jar, etc. It's ridiculous. The deficiencies and imbalances faced today are

unlike any of our past as a result of all the chemicals and non-foods people

eat. We need to correct that with nutrition, but we need to be wise and all

encompassing in our approach. SOME raw foodists just go raw and are fine. But

many are NOT living the Wigmore program and many on the Wigmore program would

have thrived from the use of more herbs and/or superfoods, etc. To boycott

life-giving natural health supplements as a result of them not growing on a tree

in that form just seems ludicrous, not that natural

hygiene doesn't have a ton of great aspects to it. I LOVE Natural Hygiene, for

the most part, but the goal is health, not following the rules. I've seen many

suffer without the addition of things like superfoods and juicing and even

energy medicines, herbs, and rife machines, etc. I've also seen people DIE of

cancer in raw foods institutes when the backyard was FULL of red clover, but

because it wasn't " pure wigmore " nobody thought to give it to them. Just

retarded if you ask me. I totally think people should take supplementary Vitamin

D if in places like the NW and they don't get it like they should, or aren't

processing it like others. I mean, where do natural hygienists get their B12?

Simply put, I know at least one (I don't know many pure hygienists) who had

MAJOR deficiency of B12. I know other raw foodists who do. It isn't pretty. They

take shots and supplements now, but aren't any less raw. Raw foodists need to

get off this hang-up. It is OKAY to take supplements.

Do what you have to do. This particular woman has terrible Lymes, a completely

awful autoimmune situation, and a thyroid that DOES NOT WORK. (All

Lymes-related). She's more raw and organic than anybody I know, believes in and

educates others in the lifestyle constantly, she even water-fasted at a top

clinic but it DAMAGED her (water fasting is simply too much and not smart; I've

done many myself). She is aware that she NEEDS a thyroid med for now, a rife

machine to beat her lymes (it is not going away on raw and won't), and she takes

major supplements, including B12 (like others I know). This is not because " raw

foods failed " , it's because her body is so damaged from the lymes and stuff that

she is not absorbing. Lymes is thought to infect 1 in 2 people, almost. It is a

GMO bacteria. We need to open up our minds and expand out consciousness to

include the possibility that different things are needed for different

illnesses, etc. This woman should be bedridden, but instead

she is up and on the go (although feels pretty bad). That is a strong testimony

to the POWER of living foods. But it is not the be all and end all.

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi great email!

I totally agree that some people get hung up on things! I know so

many people who claim to be vegetarians, but they eat an awful diet

and are sickly and overweight.

My training is in Astrophysics, but I study Natural Hygiene on the

side...it is a fascinating field with so much scientific common sense.

I know that coral supplements, green drinks etc and all that stuff is

claimed to be good for you, but, I do not think these were things we

ate when we lived thousands of years ago and had none of the modern

illnesses. I especially don't think you need these things if you eat

a proper raw diet in a wide variety of fruits and veggies, nuts etc.

As for vitamin D and B12, a true Natural Hygienist gets those from

animal products! You heard right! There is absolutely nothing wrong

with an organic steak or whatever from an animal that was raised

humanely, as long as you understand that most of your diet should come

from raw food. We also use small amounts of butter. Also, the body

has a 2 to 5 year reserve of b12, so it only takes consuming an animal

product once in a blue moon to replenish that reserve. Vitamin D

doesn't last as long but a bi-weekly or monthly consumption of a good

quality animal (or fish) product is more than likely enough. Though

it is not known exactly how much vitamin D we actually need, estimates

put it at only 5 millionths of a gram a day! That is ridiculously

tiny! It is EASY to get that.

The whole vitamin b12 and D thing is a perfect example of something

people sometimes get " hung up " on! And we need to realize that

over-supplementation is poisonous, too much vitamin D causes all sorts

of health problems!

 

So I totally agree with you about being open minded and holistic, and

not being " only raw food and thats it! " , there's more to life than that!

BUT, I will NEVER say that a pill or concentrated supplement of any

kind is " natural " . Even though perhaps they do have health

benefits if your body is compromised and in need of major

replenishment. But that's just the semantics of the philosophy I was

trained in, other people have different definitions for the word

" natural " .

 

Natural Hygiene is the study of health, not the study of disease

 

Take care and thanks for loosening things up a bit!

 

All the best,

 

Joe

[Guest guest]

Oh my Gosh, there is SO MUCH wrong with eating a steak, ethically,

environmentally, and physically, so I would have to disagree. Also,

I have NEVER HEARD of natural hygiene allowing for meat. Shelton

certainly didn't advocate it. There is no such thing as " humane

murder " , sorry. It is unsustainable and totally unethical. If you

want to talk " natural " , you would NEVER in nature stalk down a cow

with your claws and gnash your frugivorous teeth into it's entrails.

The mere thought is laughable at best. Utterly unnatural. I would

encourage you to rethink this philosophy, for your own health

purposes as well as for the environment and animals everywhere who

deserve better. Nobody would ever think that murdering another human

for economic purposes could be done " humanely " ...

 

It is also scary to try to eat like we did thousands of years ago,

solely. The air is different. The soil is different. We have

encountered WAY more pollutants, chemicals and toxins. THAT is why I

am saying we need to eat green superfood blends in jars, etc,

whether or not people say it's " natural " ---it's a whole, living

concentrated foodsource. THAT is what I was getting at, and totally

believe in.

 

In summary, SOME will process Vitamin D from the sun and/or greens.

Others may not due to their own compromised digestion/assimilation.

So, those people should look for a supplementary organic and plant-

based concentrated supplement. They shouldn't NOT do so due to being

come down upon by the raw foods movement, or fear of being " not 100%

living like our ancestors " , etc.

 

It's just common sense, all of it, you know?

[Guest guest]

Yes I really like the idea of " stalking a cow and tearing into its

entrails " - it is so great for pointing out that we do not naturally

eat a lot of meat!

 

I just told someone to eat some meat for getting D vitamins...now I

feel bad about that! :|

Must have had a relapse from my meat eating days!

 

I agree Shelton wouldn't have recommended meat, but I think that would

be as a staple...I think meat once in a good while IS okay...well,

aside from the murder thing! But heck, this world is all about

murder! Even consuming a plant is murder to the plant, but we don't

anthropomorphize with them so it doesn't matter. But is a plant IS a

living thing with its own energy field, and we have no qualms about

eating as much of them as we want.

 

If you disagree with eating cows than one should also disagree with

eating fish. A lot times vegetarians don't do this, and they eat

fish....but the same idea of tearing into a fish's entrails is gross too!

 

Thanks for getting me back on track about the meat thing! I

appreciate it

 

All the best

 

Joe