Guest guest Report post Posted March 17, 2003 I think I read that all Sainsburys products were not tested on animals. Although I could be wrong - does it not say on the container? <3 Shari Black Velvet - " John Davis " <mcxg46 Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:45 AM Question > Hi, > > Having stopped eating animal products, and forced myself to throw away my > favourite leather boots, coat and wool hat, I'm turning to household > products, medicines, etc. And was wondering if anyone could tell me if any > of the following contain animal products (none of them are in that little > vegan handbook)... > > Atrixo hand cream > Germaline antisceptic cream > Lypsil lip balm > Sainsburys washing packets (those little blue bags of liquid for clothes) > Sainsburys fabric conditioner > > John > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 18, 2003 Well done on the so far. Germolene's got lanolin in. Lipsyl used to be in the AFS but I did notice it wasn't in this one. Since I'm off work today, if no-one else has answered I'll Google them & see what I can find. Viv "You'll Never Walk Alone with a Basenji" www.veganvillage.co.uk www.bookcrossing.com - free a book today! www.vegansociety.com John Davis [mcxg46]Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: QuestionHi,Having stopped eating animal products, and forced myself to throw away myfavourite leather boots, coat and wool hat, I'm turning to householdproducts, medicines, etc. And was wondering if anyone could tell me if anyof the following contain animal products (none of them are in that littlevegan handbook)...Atrixo hand creamGermaline antisceptic creamLypsil lip balmSainsburys washing packets (those little blue bags of liquid for clothes)Sainsburys fabric conditionerJohn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 18, 2003 Hi, It isn't just the testing on animals - the washing stuff doesn't have ingrediants listed, so I don't know whether any of them are animal products. John - " Shari " <shari Monday, March 17, 2003 11:39 PM Re: Question > I think I read that all Sainsburys products were not tested on animals. > Although I could be wrong - does it not say on the container? > > <3 > Shari Black Velvet > > > - > " John Davis " <mcxg46 > > Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:45 AM > Question > > > > Hi, > > > > Having stopped eating animal products, and forced myself to throw away my > > favourite leather boots, coat and wool hat, I'm turning to household > > products, medicines, etc. And was wondering if anyone could tell me if any > > of the following contain animal products (none of them are in that little > > vegan handbook)... > > > > Atrixo hand cream > > Germaline antisceptic cream > > Lypsil lip balm > > Sainsburys washing packets (those little blue bags of liquid for clothes) > > Sainsburys fabric conditioner > > > > John > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 18, 2003 Hi John I can help you out with one of these.... > Lypsil lip balm I used to use this before going vegan - at that time (5 years ago) it had Beeswax in it - things may have changed, of course! As a child I used to get really bad eczema, and the one adult-hood remnant of that is I have big problems with getting sore lips - but I have found that Aloe Vera cream works wonders! Soory I can't help you with the others! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 18, 2003 is vasaline from animals? , " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote: > Hi John > > I can help you out with one of these.... > > > Lypsil lip balm > > I used to use this before going vegan - at that time (5 years ago) it had > Beeswax in it - things may have changed, of course! As a child I used to get > really bad eczema, and the one adult-hood remnant of that is I have big > problems with getting sore lips - but I have found that Aloe Vera cream > works wonders! > > Soory I can't help you with the others! > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 18, 2003 I don't think so - it's petroleum jelly - not very good for you, but animal-free. Jo - " slipknot_sammy " <slipknot_sammy Tuesday, March 18, 2003 6:20 PM Re: Question > is vasaline from animals? > > > , " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote: > > Hi John > > > > I can help you out with one of these.... > > > > > Lypsil lip balm > > > > I used to use this before going vegan - at that time (5 years ago) > it had > > Beeswax in it - things may have changed, of course! As a child I > used to get > > really bad eczema, and the one adult-hood remnant of that is I have > big > > problems with getting sore lips - but I have found that Aloe Vera > cream > > works wonders! > > > > Soory I can't help you with the others! > > > > BB > > Peter > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 19, 2003 Vaseline (petroleum jelly), like all petroleum-based products are made from dead animals--those who have been dead millions of years. Fossils, basically. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- " slipknot_sammy " <slipknot_sammy Re: Question Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:20:02 -0000 is vasaline from animals? , " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote: > Hi John > > I can help you out with one of these.... > > > Lypsil lip balm > > I used to use this before going vegan - at that time (5 years ago) it had > Beeswax in it - things may have changed, of course! As a child I used to get > really bad eczema, and the one adult-hood remnant of that is I have big > problems with getting sore lips - but I have found that Aloe Vera cream > works wonders! > > Soory I can't help you with the others! > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 19, 2003 Does anyone count that as an animal product??? Jo > Vaseline (petroleum jelly), like all petroleum-based products are made from > dead animals--those who have been dead millions of years. Fossils, > basically. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 19, 2003 In a message dated 3/18/03 11:50:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, Heartwork writes: Does anyone count that as an animal product??? Jo >Vaseline (petroleum jelly), like all petroleum-based products are made from >dead animals--those who have been dead millions of years. Fossils, >basically. not me if vaseline and petroleum is an animal product, then everything is, since everythin on this planet has been recycled and was probably once a tree fern, a marsupial, a dinosaur and a hunk of algae at least once in its existence..as everything gets reused and remade..(in general, not takin about some old granite shield here..) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 19, 2003 Hi Jo! Hmmm... tough question not sure on this one technically from an animal, but no animal was purposely harmed in the making of it tis a toss up - wouldn't condemn anyone fer it tho nikki The language of truth is unadorned and always simple. Marcellinus Ammianus , " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote: > Does anyone count that as an animal product??? > > Jo > > > Vaseline (petroleum jelly), like all petroleum-based products are made > from > > dead animals--those who have been dead millions of years. Fossils, > > basically. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 19, 2003 , " nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack@m...> wrote: > Hi Jo! > > Hmmm... tough question > > not sure on this one > > technically from an animal, but no animal was purposely harmed in the > making of it > > tis a toss up - wouldn't condemn anyone fer it tho > > nikki Excluding vaseleine on the grounds that it's a by product of petroleum (fossilied animals (and plants)) would also mean excluding anything and everything that has been transported anywhere by a fossil fuel driven vehicle, it would also mean getting rid of youyr computer, which is made of plastic, another oil derivative. BTW, what are your clothes made of if you don't wear wool, and are boycotting cotton (grown with oil based fertilsers, harvested with fossil fuel driven machinery, transported by fossil fuel driven trucks, shipped in fossil fuel driven boats, etc), man made fibres? Sorry, oil derivatives again... i could go on but I guess you get my drift... Cheers Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 19, 2003 hi all, yes it raises a good question, if we count fossil fuel eg oil as an animal product, that would mean we need to cut out a huge variety of products from our lives...plastics, (you are typing on it) gas paints synthetics , we wouldnt be able to fly,use public transport get in a car bus or train or walk on any carpet.Even the electricity we use is generated by oil, in a lot of instances, so we would be sat in the dark, with cold food, no cumputer, no tv, no travel, no warmth or air conditioning, no clothes, and if we use compost on our food, how many dead animals and insects are in that?? happy soul, arent I???? catherine have a happy day folks............lol >"Heartwork" > > >Re: Re: Question >Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:19:34 -0000 > >Does anyone count that as an animal product??? > >Jo > > > Vaseline (petroleum jelly), like all petroleum-based products are made >from > > dead animals--those who have been dead millions of years. Fossils, > > basically. > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 > Chat with friends online - download MSN Messenger today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 19, 2003 nikki_mackovitch said: > Hi Jo! > > Hmmm... tough question > > not sure on this one > > technically from an animal, but no animal was purposely harmed in the > making of it > > tis a toss up - wouldn't condemn anyone fer it tho Twould be stupid to do so. Petroleum Jelly comes from the same thing Gasoline and Oil does. And I know you ALL use that. -- Jason M. Abels http://jason.abels.us/ There is sweetness there, and darkness too. Death walks in the bright lights, but love hides in the shadows. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 19, 2003 Hi Nikki > technically from an animal, but no animal was purposely harmed in the > making of it > tis a toss up - wouldn't condemn anyone fer it tho Of course, on the same technicality, everything comes from animals because when animals die they go back into the Earth and end up fertilising the plants which we eat. It's all just transmutation of matter into different forms over many millions of years! :-) BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 19, 2003 Surely they are animals that died naturally many thousands of years ago. I don't see that that could count. Personally I wouldn't use petroleum jelly because it is not very good healthwise. Jo > Hmmm... tough question > > not sure on this one > > technically from an animal, but no animal was purposely harmed in the > making of it --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Probably not, but I was being very literal. ----Original Message Follows---- " Heartwork " <Heartwork Re: Re: Question Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:19:34 -0000 Does anyone count that as an animal product??? Jo > Vaseline (petroleum jelly), like all petroleum-based products are made from > dead animals--those who have been dead millions of years. Fossils, > basically. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Well, the idea of being vegan, I know, is to reduce animal suffering. Since the animals have been dead for millions of years, they did not suffer in the production of these products. As I said, I was being very literal--yes, they're made from dead animals, but since the creatures did not suffer, it's the only animal products we can use in good conscience. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- " Catherine Harris " <cait2 Re: Re: Question Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:11:46 +0000 " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail hi all, yes it raises a good question, if we count fossil fuel eg oil as an animal product, that would mean we need to cut out a huge variety of products from our lives...plastics, (you are typing on it) gas paints synthetics , we wouldnt be able to fly,use public transport get in a car bus or train or walk on any carpet.Even the electricity we use is generated by oil, in a lot of instances, so we would be sat in the dark, with cold food, no cumputer, no tv, no travel, no warmth or air conditioning, no clothes, and if we use compost on our food, how many dead animals and insects are in that?? happy soul, arent I???? catherine have a happy day folks............lol >"Heartwork" > > >Re: Re: Question >Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:19:34 -0000 > >Does anyone count that as an animal product??? > >Jo > > > Vaseline (petroleum jelly), like all petroleum-based products are made >from > > dead animals--those who have been dead millions of years. Fossils, > > basically. > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 > Chat with friends online - download MSN Messenger today. To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 20, 2003 All right! Step away from my puter nice and slow and no one will get hurt! excellent points Graham - I wasn't looking at the big picture tho I wouldn't mind getting rid of a lot of these cars wish I could afford a hybrid! nikki The language of truth is unadorned and always simple. Marcellinus Ammianus , " quercusrobur2002 " <grahamburnett@b...> wrote: > > Excluding vaseleine on the grounds that it's a by product of > petroleum (fossilied animals (and plants)) would also mean excluding > anything and everything that has been transported anywhere by a > fossil fuel driven vehicle, it would also mean getting rid of youyr > computer, which is made of plastic, another oil derivative. BTW, > what are your clothes made of if you don't wear wool, and are > boycotting cotton (grown with oil based fertilsers, harvested with > fossil fuel driven machinery, transported by fossil fuel driven > trucks, shipped in fossil fuel driven boats, etc), man made fibres? > Sorry, oil derivatives again... i could go on but I guess you get my > drift... > > Cheers Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Hi Peter! Very true indeed! nikki , " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote: > Hi Nikki > > > Of course, on the same technicality, everything comes from animals because > when animals die they go back into the Earth and end up fertilising the > plants which we eat. It's all just transmutation of matter into different > forms over many millions of years! :-) > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Hi, Thanks for that... So, lypsil and germaline antisceptic are out of the window... Anyone know about atrixo hand-cream? Or, perhaps, could anyone point me in the direction of somewhere that explains just what the scary list of ingredients found on such products actually come from?! John - " Peter " <Snowbow Tuesday, March 18, 2003 5:04 PM Re: Question > Hi John > > I can help you out with one of these.... > > > Lypsil lip balm > > I used to use this before going vegan - at that time (5 years ago) it had > Beeswax in it - things may have changed, of course! As a child I used to get > really bad eczema, and the one adult-hood remnant of that is I have big > problems with getting sore lips - but I have found that Aloe Vera cream > works wonders! > > Soory I can't help you with the others! > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Hi Nikki > excellent points Graham - I wasn't looking at the big picture > tho I wouldn't mind getting rid of a lot of these cars > wish I could afford a hybrid! I'm looking forward to the time when cars which can use alternate fuels (such as hydrogen fuel cell, solar power, etc.) are affordable to the average person. I'd go for one straight away if I could afford it! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Hi John > Or, perhaps, could anyone point me in the direction of somewhere that > explains just what the scary list of ingredients found on such products > actually come from?! I can't remember if you're in the UK or not, but if you are I'm sure the vegan society would be able to help you - try e-mailing them at info BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Hi Peter, Yes, I'm in the UK, and a member of the vegan society I think (if I haven't lost the little card thing they sent me!). I took a look at their site and couldn't see anything useful, but perhaps you're right and an email is worth a try. John - " Peter " <Snowbow Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:19 PM Re: Question > Hi John > > > Or, perhaps, could anyone point me in the direction of somewhere that > > explains just what the scary list of ingredients found on such products > > actually come from?! > > I can't remember if you're in the UK or not, but if you are I'm sure the > vegan society would be able to help you - try e-mailing them at > info > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 20, 2003 - " Peter " <Snowbow Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:17 PM Re: Re: Question I had a diesel -van which I ran on vegetable- oil, any diesel vechicle will run on vegetable-oil ( which is at least sustainable ). I have a electric-peugeot motorcycle which is not a perfect solution to polution..but it's better than petrol or diesel fuel. Simon > > tho I wouldn't mind getting rid of a lot of these cars > > wish I could afford a hybrid! > > I'm looking forward to the time when cars which can use alternate fuels > (such as hydrogen fuel cell, solar power, etc.) are affordable to the > average person. I'd go for one straight away if I could afford it! > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2003 A few months ago, I read in Vegetarian Times about cars using soy-based fuel. Wouldn't this be a great use for that GMO stuff--use it for fuel? Danielle Support our troops; bring them home safely. ----Original Message Follows---- "Peter" Re: Re: Question Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:17:01 -0000 Hi Nikki > excellent points Graham - I wasn't looking at the big picture > tho I wouldn't mind getting rid of a lot of these cars > wish I could afford a hybrid! I'm looking forward to the time when cars which can use alternate fuels (such as hydrogen fuel cell, solar power, etc.) are affordable to the average person. I'd go for one straight away if I could afford it! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release 25/02/03 The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
