TVP - funny (low fat vegan) stuff!!

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On 6/25/08, Beatriz <searchingalight wrote:

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> ...and this one

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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vdvHBrnxUM & amp;feature=related

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> hehe

 

*grin* Yup. He's a foul-mouthed cutie. :-)

 

Sparrow

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there was this one soup recipe i used to make with tvp and nutritional

yeast, it was really good. it is in the new farm cookbook, dang i need

to get another copy of it! mine is falling apart. now i feel weird

eating tvp/so much soy but come winter i will have to figure out

something to replace the tvp. tvp sounds like something you need to

eat while watching tv on your tv tray LOL i am silly tonight;)

sanQ

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"Dr. McDougall. The past few years he's changed his mind about soy protein isolates and now says they're to be avoided."

We (fatfreevegan) had a big discussion about soy, and I came out at the end thinking there was no concern about consuming it (I am one of the people who find is creamy and delicious - I love it). Do you happen to know the Dr's concern?

Janet

 

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Sue in NJ

Wednesday, June 25, 2008 8:11 AM

Re: TVP - funny (low fat vegan) stuff!!

 

 

>If you all recommend it (TVP/PPC),Well, not everyone is convinced it's a safe food that should be eaten,especially Dr. McDougall. The past few years he's changed his mind aboutsoy protein isolates and now says they're to be avoided. Since TVP lastspractically forever I still have a lot around the house, in many sizesand flavors, but don't plan on buying any more when these are all gone.That said, it's great to toss a handful of unflavored granules intoexisting chili and stew recipes. In most places where it calls forground beef you can use rehydrated tvp granules.Sue in NJ

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On 6/25/08, Janet Coe Hammond <janetcoe wrote:

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> " Dr. McDougall. The past few years he's changed his mind

> about soy protein isolates and now says they're to be avoided. "

> We (fatfreevegan) had a big discussion about soy, and I came out

> at the end thinking there was no concern about consuming it (I am

> one of the people who find is creamy and delicious - I love it).

 

Just as it was stated that there's a great deal of difference between,

for example, edamame (a whole food), tofu (a lightly processed food),

and hydrogenated soybean oil (a dangerously processed food), there's

also a great difference between all of the above and soy protein

isolates such as TVP and soy protein powder. The protein isolates are

no longer a whole food, having been thoroughly defatted (the fat going

to make soybean oil) and processed in various other ways.

 

When people say " soy is safe " or " soy is dangerous " it's helpful to

find out what sort of soy they're discussing because there can be a

world of difference.

 

> Do you happen to know the Dr's concern?

 

Soy -- Food, Wonder Drug, or Poison?

by Dr. McDougall (Newsletter April 2005)

" We recommend that you use traditional soy foods, like soy milk and

tofu, only as a small part of your diet, at most 5% of your daily

calories. " Synthetic soy foods, " like meats, cheeses, and soy bars,

should rarely, if ever, be consumed. "

http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/pdf/pdf050400nl.pdf

 

app. ten minute video of Dr. McDougall explaining " cancer growth

promoter IGF-1. Blood levels of IGF-1 are raised by consuming dairy

products -- and even moreso by consuming isolated soy protein. "

 

Hope this is helpful/informative,

Sparrow

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"We recommend that you use traditional soy foods, like soy milk andtofu, only as a small part of your diet, at most 5% of your dailycalories. "

 

Rats, I was looking forward to adding soy back into my diet on a more regular basis!! But I do thank you, Sparrow, for info.

Janet (

 

 

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Sparrow R Jones

Wednesday, June 25, 2008 8:29 PM

Re: TVP - funny (low fat vegan) stuff!!

 

 

On 6/25/08, Janet Coe Hammond <janetcoe (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:>> "Dr. McDougall. The past few years he's changed his mind> about soy protein isolates and now says they're to be avoided."> We (fatfreevegan) had a big discussion about soy, and I came out> at the end thinking there was no concern about consuming it (I am> one of the people who find is creamy and delicious - I love it).Just as it was stated that there's a great deal of difference between,for example, edamame (a whole food), tofu (a lightly processed food),and hydrogenated soybean oil (a dangerously processed food), there'salso a great difference between all of the above and soy proteinisolates such as TVP and soy protein powder. The protein isolates areno longer a whole food, having been thoroughly defatted (the fat goingto make soybean oil) and processed in various other ways.When people say "soy is safe" or "soy is dangerous" it's helpful tofind out what sort of soy they're discussing because there can be aworld of difference.> Do you happen to know the Dr's concern?Soy -- Food, Wonder Drug, or Poison?by Dr. McDougall (Newsletter April 2005)"We recommend that you use traditional soy foods, like soy milk andtofu, only as a small part of your diet, at most 5% of your dailycalories. "Synthetic soy foods," like meats, cheeses, and soy bars,should rarely, if ever, be consumed."http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/pdf/pdf050400nl.pdfapp. ten minute video of Dr. McDougall explaining "cancer growthpromoter IGF-1. Blood levels of IGF-1 are raised by consuming dairyproducts -- and even moreso by consuming isolated soy protein."http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHYFOJBU434Hope this is helpful/informative,Sparrow

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On 6/25/08, Janet Coe Hammond <janetcoe wrote:

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> " We recommend that you use traditional soy foods, like soy milk and

> tofu, only as a small part of your diet, at most 5% of your daily

> calories. "

>

> Rats, I was looking forward to adding soy back into my diet

> on a more regular basis!! But I do thank you, Sparrow, for info.

 

Well, you can still have whole food soy on a daily basis, according to

Dr. McDougall's findings, just not as the foundation of your diet.

 

Base your diet on beans and whole grains, fruits and vegetables, and

add the soy in as a little soy milk on your oatmeal or some tofu in a

creamy salad dressing. The impression I got from Dr. McDougall's

writing is that soy (in a minimally-processed, close to natural state

such as tofu, soy milk, edamame) is fine so long as you treat it like

other extra rich components of a vegan diet (avocado, nuts, olives,

etc.) and use it as a seasoning rather than a snack or meal.

 

Sparrow

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Vegan Cooking For Animal Lovers (2007)

Starring: Kerry Weber

 

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Beatriz

Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:59 AM

Re: TVP - funny (low fat vegan) stuff!!

 

 

Hi SparrowWhat is the dude's name?Any chance to find some excerpts on youtube or so?Thanks,Beatriz--- On Tue, 6/24/08, Sparrow R Jones <sparrowrose > wrote:Sparrow R Jones <sparrowrose >Re: TVP - funny (low fat vegan) stuff!! Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 3:31 PMOn 6/24/08, Janet Coe Hammond <janetcoe (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:>> How about sharing the eviction-day recipe?Okay. This is from the DVD "Vegan Cooking for Animal Lovers."(excessive quoting removed by mod)

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On 6/25/08, Janet Coe Hammond <janetcoe wrote:

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> Vegan Cooking For Animal Lovers (2007)

> Starring: Kerry Weber

 

Ah, thank you. Was that an IMDB find? His name wasn't on the packaging

I got and I don't remember him saying it anywhere on the DVD.

 

Sparrow

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I found the name on Amazon.com...

 

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Sparrow R Jones

Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:56 PM

Re: TVP - funny (low fat vegan) stuff!!

 

 

On 6/25/08, Janet Coe Hammond <janetcoe (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:>> Vegan Cooking For Animal Lovers (2007)> Starring: Kerry WeberAh, thank you. Was that an IMDB find? His name wasn't on the packagingI got and I don't remember him saying it anywhere on the DVD.Sparrow

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I sometimes use the Boca crumbly stuff too. Frankly, I haven't used

TVP in many years, and hadn't even thought about it until this

discussion came up. I used to use it all the time when it was readily

available at health food stores.

 

I hate what you said about it tasting like dirt:) Ha! I know TVP may

not be a perfect food, but it could be a way of occasionally adding

some extra protein to dishes like chili or pasta, and it takes on the

flavor of whatever sauce you use. I didn't use it every day, but just

for a few specific dishes. I agree with those who dislike the large

chunky kind. I much preferred the small crumbles.

 

I think I'll check out the local health food stores and see if anyone

still has it around. At present, I add black or kidney beans to dishes

for extra protein. But if I had some TVP, I might toss in a half-cup

of it too. Thanks to all for mentioning it!

 

 

, " Jennifer Smith "

<oldbones929 wrote:

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> I'm definitely not a fan of TVP and I think that things like

Morningstar

> Crumbles and Boca Meatless Burger are far better tasting. TVP is

certainly

> less expensive and I've tried to like it, but I would rather eat

dirt ;o)

> That's just my 2 cents worth.

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>

> Jennifer

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Does any of the research/recommendations about the healthfulness of tofu mention miso (I love a bowl of hot miso soup!) or tempeh?

 

 

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Sparrow R Jones

Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:56 PM

Re: TVP - funny (low fat vegan) stuff!!

 

 

On 6/25/08, Janet Coe Hammond <janetcoe (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:>> Vegan Cooking For Animal Lovers (2007)> Starring: Kerry WeberAh, thank you. Was that an IMDB find? His name wasn't on the packagingI got and I don't remember him saying it anywhere on the DVD.Sparrow

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On 6/28/08, Janet Coe Hammond <janetcoe wrote:

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> Does any of the research/recommendations about the

> healthfulness of tofu mention miso (I love a bowl of hot

> miso soup!) or tempeh?

 

I don't have articles to hand (a quick google should turn several up)

but I've seen many folks saying that fermented soy is the healthiest

way to eat it.

 

Sparrow

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I love a hot bowl of miso soup too, but I can't eat it because of its

high sodium content. I haven't looked lately, but I remember looking

all over for a lower-sodium version and never found it. Please let me

know if you run across any.

 

 

, " Janet Coe Hammond "

<janetcoe wrote:

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> Does any of the research/recommendations about the healthfulness of

tofu mention miso (I love a bowl of hot miso soup!) or tempeh?

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there is a low sodium miso made here locally in portland, oregon, it is

the best miso i have ever had! it makes taking my lunch to work so

simple (we have a coffee machine that has a hot water spigot) you could

maybe do a google search...good luck!

sanQ

 

, " bigoldog " <bigoldog wrote:

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>

> I love a hot bowl of miso soup too, but I can't eat it because of its

> high sodium content. I haven't looked lately, but I remember looking

> all over for a lower-sodium version and never found it. Please let

me

> know if you run across any.

>

[Guest guest]

Janet Coe Hammond wrote:

 

Does any of the

research/recommendations about the healthfulness of tofu mention miso

(I love a bowl of hot miso soup!) or tempeh?

 

 

Traditional soy products, used in traditional ways are just fine.

Aly