Hi I am New

[Guest guest]

Hi Fred:

Go a little deeper into Herbert Shelton's work. He was one of the early

pioneers of the Natural Hygiene way of living. Raw fruits, raw vegetables,

nuts and seeds.Knowledgable and thorough.

 

Rob

 

 

 

> I do not know who Dr. Shelton is. After reading the information on the

web page, he would be the last person I would recommend as an authority on

the subject of nutrition.

>

> Fred

[Guest guest]

--- B " H

 

I had to laugh (good naturedly) when Dr. Shelton was dismissed out of

hand.

 

It was like saying: I don't know who this Gauss fellow is, but I

certainly wouldn't learn anything about hyperbolic curves from him!

 

Doreen

 

In rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...>

wrote:

>

> Sorry my last response was dismissive of your obvious good

intention.

>

> The foundation for my remark was rooted in the area of food

combining.

> This is an area of such high complexity that the finest scientists

of

> digestion will be learning at high speed for many generations to

come.

> We are lucky that the enormous intellect of Dr. Herbert Shelton was

> directed here. Even now, I cannot eat a melon without thinking of

him.

>

> Thus what is right today will evolve tomorrow. Food combining has

such

> scope for plurality of thought and opinion. Moreover, who should

eat

> what, with what, in a perfect world would probably produce no two

plates

> the same.

>

> The joy of being in a forum is that we may learn from questions,

> answers, debates and revision of opinion.

>

> Your freedom to disagree with anything I say is absolute. I welcome

the

> challenge of opinion that is different from my own.

>

> All joy

>

> Peter

>

>

>

>

>

>

> M [mavalkyrie]

> 31 August 2003 04:25

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] Hi I am New

>

>

>

> " Shame on you! " What is that? Who are you to say something like

that

> to someone just because they disagree with you. Like someone should

> feel " shame " for saying what they think or believe.

>

> 1 a : a painful emotion caused by consciousness of guilt,

> shortcoming, or impropriety b : the susceptibility to such emotion

2 : a

> condition of humiliating disgrace or disrepute : IGNOMINY 3 a :

> something that brings censure or reproach; also : something to

> be regretted : PITY <it's a shame you can't go> b : a cause of

> feeling shame

>

>

>

> rawfood , " Peter Gardiner "

<petergardiner@e...>

> wrote:

> > Shame on you Fred,

> >

> > Try this for your enlightenment

> >

> > http://www.rawfood.com/shelton.html

> >

> > Peter

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Doreen,

 

I'm way too curious, and have to ask. What does B " H

mean ?

 

Thanks

Rufus

 

 

 

--- Doreen Bell-Dotan <dordot2001 wrote:

> --- B " H

>

> Hi, Fred, and welcome.

>

> You wrote: Flatulance is produced by

> microorganisms. As long as the

> wrong culture exists in the GI tract, the

> potentional for gas

> production always exist.

> > >

> > Mixing fruit and vegetables at the same meal

> causes flatulence.

> >

> I'm so glad you brought this up.

>

> The following link leads to an article on the

> Principles of Proper

> Food Combining by a giant of Natural Hygiene, Dr.

> Herbert Shelton.

>

> http://chetday.com/fcnecess.html

>

> The following link leads to a chart that shows

> proper food combining

> very well. Just ignore the meat products listed.

> The site isn't pro-

> meat eating, it merely shows how to eat meat so that

> it does a

> minimum of damage to the body.

>

> http://www.kelownahealth.com/printchart.htm

>

> Doreen

>

>

>

> >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site

> design software

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

It is my understanding that apple and carrot juice is perfectly acceptable. In

his book, The Juiceman's Power of Juicing, Jay Kordich says that he credits his

return to health from a diagnosis of cancer to drinking thirteen glasses of

carrot-apple juice every day. He learned about this juice from Dr. Max Gerson.

(p.6) If the juice is too strong it can always be diluted with water, up to a

50-50 dilution I gather.

 

Diane

 

 

ky_wendylynn <ky_wendylynn wrote:

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but isn't mixing apples and carrots to

juice the exception? I am almost positive it is ok to do.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter,

 

If I have upset you and others, that was not my intension. I was upset with

what I read and expressed my feelings.

 

I have done a lot of things in my life, which includes being a farmer, special

ed. teacher, even teaching Astronomy and Nutrition on a college level. I am

scientifically oriented. Part of my education includes a BA in Chemistry and a

MS in Biology. My MS major was Human Nutrition. I was in private practice for

a decade as a Clinical Nutritionist, but never really practiced nutrition. My

clients came in with complaints that no one could solve, so I ended up being a

diagnostician and solving them. The most common causes of their complaints were

reactions first to chemicals then to foods. For about three years, I held

workshops training professionals (doctors, chiropractors, nurses, dentists,

nutritionists...) and non-professionals (mothers whose children were labeled LD,

ED, ADD...) how to identify and address these issues. I have even seen the

energy coming out of my hands accelerate the healing process.

 

What was the name of individual in Greek mythology who was in search for the one

person who did not lie or distort the truth? Am I correct to assume that truth

is important to you Peter? Truth is very important to me. That is where I am

at this point in my life. When I do not hear it especially from so called

experts, I get annoyed, even angry. I have been lied to all my life and I cannot

always step aside and say: " So what. " Maybe as I feel better, the distortions of

others will no longer affect me.

 

I am not putting Shelton down for his contributions to health during the time he

made the contributions.

 

What upset me were the inaccuracies stated on the web page.

 

Distortion of the facts and perpetuation of myths upsets me. The three best

examples of this are fluoride, cholesterol, and vitamins.

 

Fluoride is a protoplasmic poison. It is as toxic as lead. Large populations

are being forced to consume this substance all their life. The dangers far out

way the so called minor benefits, which in reality, do not exit. To me, this is

absurd. The myth began in the late 1930's by Gerald Cox, PhD, who worked for a

branch of ALCOA. Fluoride is a byproduct of aluminum production.

 

The cholesterol hypothesis can best be described as an experimentally generated

disease. Hence perpetuation of the myth. The lesions created by the experiments

do not represent the true pathology as it naturally occurs in humans. I read

the experiments from the medical journals. The experiments are totally invalid.

People are told to go on dangerous diets, dangerous medication, even niacin

(which by the way is not a vitamin) to lower cholesterol levels.

 

Over the counter vitamins are not vitamins. They are not the co-enzymes which

bring life to the enzymes in our body. Biochemically speaking, structurally

speaking, they are not in the right form to be considered a co-enzyme. In fact,

B1 as we find it in enriched flour and many vitamin pills (thiamine mononitrate)

as well as thiamine HCl cannot be converted to the co-enzyme by our body.

 

I too had my guru's. They have all fallen by the waste side. None exist anymore.

None of them chose to see the whole picture nor the individual as an individual.

 

If my crime is not willing to accept untruths and distortion of the truth, then

I am guilty.

 

This is what I read on the website and this is what upset me.

 

The web site http://chetday.com/fcnecess.html

 

" ...it important that we exercise some care not to take into the stomach at the

same time foods requiring different and incompatible media...

 

 

" Different Foods Require Different Digestive Tasks

It is a fundamental fact in chemistry that alkalies and acids are opposites;

that they neutralize each other. It is a fact in physiology that all starchy

foods digest in an alkaline medium and the starch-splitting enzyme of the mouth

(ptyalin or salivary amylase) is destroyed by acid, even a mild acid. Therefore,

if acids are taken with starches, starch digestion is suspended. If breads or

cereals or potatoes are eaten with berries or with citrus fruits, or with other

acid-bearing foods, the digestion of these starches is delayed.

 

The stomach is always acidic. If it is not acidic, you will get sick or are

sick. The stomach is not the place where starches are supposed to be digested

(hydrolyzed). The pancreatic juices do that in the small intestine.

 

The purpose of acid in your stomach is to destroy microorganism, begin the

digestion of protein, indirectly aid in B12 absorption (intrinsic factor

production), and extract the minerals from the foods we eat. Protein signals the

stomach to produce hydrochloric acid. Without the acid, none of the above will

happen.

 

With the above strategy, how did he expect to extract minerals from the grains?

Since all food contains microorganisms, how was he going to prevent the wrong

culture from getting started in the GI tract?

 

" Eating Protein and Starches Together Begets Indigestion

It is a fact of physiology that proteins require an acid medium for their

digestion in the stomach. When proteins are eaten, acid is secreted to enable

the enzyme, pepsin, to begin the work of protein digestion. Now, it is not

possible for two processes, that of starch digestion requiring an alkaline

medium for its digestion, and that of protein digestion requiring an acid medium

for its accomplishment, to both go on in the same stomach at the same time, with

any great efficiency. The rising acidity of the stomach will neutralize the

saliva, destroy the salivary amylase, and bring starch digestion to a halt.

 

That is exactly what is supposed to happen.

 

" If no protein is taken with the starch, no acid is poured into the stomach and

starch digestion proceeds on schedule.

 

In a health person, the stomach is always acidic. Otherwise, we run the risk of

an infection. The stomach is not the place where starch should be digested. It

occurs in the small intestine.

 

" A Fundamental Rule

The application of this fact of the physiology of digestion is plain: Eat starch

foods at separate meals from acid foods and foods requiring acid in their

digestion.

 

Perpetuating the myth

 

 

" Acid Indigestion Arises From Wrong Combinations

 

I do not get indigestion. That means this statement is not universally true. I

have gotten heartburn from cottonseed oil (pesticide residues) found in certain

foods. I avoid those foods.

 

In over a decade of seeing clients, I have never seen anyone with heartburn nor

indigestion ever have a problem with combinations. It was always due to a

chemical in a specific food they ate or a hiatal hernia. Once the first was

avoided and the second was corrected (without surgery), the symptoms

disappeared.

 

 

" Retarded digestion favors fermentation and putrefaction of the foods eaten.

 

Fermentation you want. That is how we obtain certain vitamins in our GI tract.

Microorganisms in our digestive tract exist in a symbiotic relationship with us.

We give them the environment and they support us.

 

Putrefaction or rotting of foods can only occur in the presence of the wrong

type of bacteria. (Check Louis Pasteur - 1822-1895)

 

Wrong Food Combining Responsible For Much Suffering

 

Not true. Weston Price (DDS) in the mid to late 20's proved it was processed

foods. By 1930, our soils were depleted of minerals (Check the Empty Harvest by

Anderson and Jensen). Pre-WWII, reactions to foods then to chemicals were major

causes of illness. (Check out The Pulse Test - Arthur Coca, MD; and T. Randolph,

MD, Father of Clinical Ecology). After WWII, we began to inhale and ingest

large amounts of pesticides, fumigants, formaldehyde, plasticizers,

hydrocarbons, chlorine, fluoride, and other toxic chemicals. In our current time

frame, the chemicals we are exposed to are the major causes of our illness, not

wrong food combinations.

 

My mentors taught me that each person is different. One life style does not fit

all condition and individuals. The person in front of me has all the answers.

That is the way I treated each client I saw. In the 13 years of seeing over 1000

clients and many who were not clients, performing over 48,000 individualized

tests, the one conclusion I can state from experience is: the major cause of

illness in our times is an exposure to one or more chemicals which our body is

rejecting. These substances should not be there in first place.

 

Fred

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

This post really got my attention. I am a lurker and find the list very

informative. But I have not posted. When I saw " M " in my From column and then

read the post I felt like it was twilight zone time. My From line also reads

" M " and the definition thing is something I have been known to do. I had to

pull up the properties to be sure the post wasn't from me!

 

This is always a tough time of year for me. Thank you for making me laugh and

thanks to everyone for some great info. So, my question: Any raw food

restaurants in or around Houston, Tx.

Thanks

Marguerite Chipp-Matthews

http://www.companionanimalmassage.com

-

M

 

1 a : a painful emotion caused by consciousness of guilt,

shortcoming, or impropriety b : the susceptibility to such emotion

2 : a condition of humiliating disgrace or disrepute :

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Fred,

You addressed that scientifically and it makes sense. I have never

suffered from indigestion from " wrong food combining " and just figured I was

the exception to the rule.

Someone recently said that the desire for bread would pass. How does a

raw foodist get grains then? I know alot of people steer clear of wheat. I

can understand that people are allergic to it, but what was wheat created

for if not to eat?

Can you give us some sources for further study of the issues you brought

up?

~Wendy

[Guest guest]

Hi Fred,

 

That was an interesting and informative post. I can see where you are

coming from. I think the chemicals that we are ingesting are certainly a

terrible problem.

 

In addition to that, I think food combining is a valid issue. In my

experience, my digestion is the best if I eat only one kind of food at a

time - a mono-meal. I don't really have the problem of combining

starches with proteins because I don't usually eat any starchy foods

now. But I know of people who stopped having stomach pains as soon as

they stopped combining potatoes and meat for instance.

 

There may be some inaccuracies in what Shelton wrote. I've found that

the field of nutrition is always advancing and often things that were

considered facts become disproved.

 

I know that people are quite different in their health needs for many

reasons. One of them is their psychological and spiritual perspective.

But I believe we are more similar than different. That the reasons for

most of the differences are the level of un-health that virtually all of

civilized humanity is in.

 

By the way I read, " Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, " and I think

there are some flaws in what he reported. Though I think it is a great

book. For one thing he led us to believe that all these native groups

had just a superb health. That is not true in every case. He went to see

the Eskimos. He raved about their health. No where does he discuss the

terrible osteoporosis they suffer from nor the fact they had an average

lifespan of only 39 years and in some tribes less than that. Their

health was far from ideal.

 

I think Dr. Price was biased towards a meat eating diet. He didn't

understand anything about a vegetarian diet and how all protein actually

comes from plant sources. If we eat dark leafy greens we are getting the

protein we need along with the rest of the foods we are eating. He talks

about the fertile grass that the cows produce wonderful milk when they

eat this grass. So why drink the milk when we could eat the grass

directly? Or in this case eat the most nutrient dense food - dark leafy

greens.

 

If humans were eating raw foods for several generations and eating them

in a way that was biologically adapted to the species then I think we

would be much more similar in what we ate. Why shouldn't we be like all

the rest of the animals out there in the wild? I don't see to many

rabbits hunting down prey. They all eat the same food. I would guess

that all animals out in the wild would eat according to their biological

adaptations and to what was available within those limitations.

 

If we were healthy and living near the equator and foraging for foods we

too would probably be eating the same foods as everyone else. We

wouldn't be saying that I am different and I need to eat rice or steak

for that matter.

 

I know from personal experience and from that of my clients and friends,

that we can adapt to many different diets. I personally thought I'd

never be satisfied by eating fruit. I thought I would need to eat

complex carbohydrates or starchy foods or I'd go hungry and be weak.

That is what happened to me in my first attempts at going 100% raw. I

was even convinced that my body was not capable of eating only raw

foods.

 

That had been my experience. I even thought I had hypoglycemia. But once

I realized I simply wasn't eating enough fruit I solved my problems. My

body completely changed and now I'm adapted to eating a 100% raw food

diet.

 

I therefore believe that once a person is healthy and eating a proper

diet then that person would be eating fruits and vegetables. We are

primates and primates are the only animals that can taste sweet and see

colors. We are biologically adapted to finding, picking and eating

fruits. That I believe would be our mainstay food if we were all healthy

for several generations of eating raw foods. Curious as to what others

have to say about this.

 

Roger

 

Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick with it? Now

you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets to success on a 100%

Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger Haeske,

the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and

http://www.superbeing.com <http://www.superbeing.com/> . Go to

http://www.superbeingdiet.com <http://www.superbeingdiet.com%20/> to

learn how to go 100% RAW.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Roger,

 

Find out how they prepare their potatoes. That may give you a clue.

 

Fred

 

 

But I know of people who stopped having stomach pains as soon as they stopped

combining potatoes and meat for instance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

interesting thread.

I can see were Fred is coming from but with all due respect you are

here with all your knowledge and degrees turning to a RAW lifestyle

so somewhere you are throwing away much of what you have learned. You

have realized that the " SAD " is not working for you and anyone who

takes a look around see that it is not working for anyone at all.

(Please don't think I am pickin on you because I do agree with a lot

of what you said)I also see why you would fall back on something that

you have learned as fact even when you are trying to learn a new way

of life I just would hate for you to let that interfer with you

moving forward in your journey. So please keep an open mind and don't

just dismiss something based on something you have read on a website.

I am sure once you do some research and investagate more into food

combinding and try it for yourself, you will see the merits. I have

introduced several people to food combinding(FIT FOR LIFE book) and

they have all thanked me cause I have helped them where their many

doctors and pills have failed. I just learned about food combinding 6

months ago myself.

 

Some wanted to know others thoughts heres mine.

 

I am a religious person so I believe that God did not create our

bodies to eat meat but to eat fruits vegetables and grains. In the

book of Danial chapter one there is even an expermint between meat

eaters(Babylonians) and vegetarians(Hebrews)and after 10 days the

Hebrews looked better than the meat eaters and were allowed to

continue on with their eating habits.

 

Our bodies not being designed to eat meat is a proven fact science

does back this up. I with only a High School education learned this

in my 7th grade health class it is a common fact basic simple

knowledge.

 

I completely agree with the fact that MOST of our health problems

come from the fact that we are bombarded with chemicals from our

foods to our cleaning products through just breathing the polluted

air. That is a number 1 given fact. Also a persons lifestyle does

factor a great deal in a persons general health. (smoking, drinking,

drugs, nonactive, etc...) Also where a person lives I do believe has

a great impact on that health as well.

 

When it comes to eating in general,think about how your body works

some foods digest easier others take longer. So if we eat say meat

and potatoes or pasta or both these foods are gonna take a longer

time to digest in our stomachs.That is why people are told to eat

pasta and potates to stop them from feeling hungry because they take

longer to digest. Basic simple knowledge.So on the " SAD " of eating

meat and potates(animal protein and starch) It will take more engery,

the foods wills sit longer in our stomachs so the longer it is there

the longer it will release toxins, gases and other nasties.The worst

we are gonna feel. That awful bloted gassy feeling. Now say you eat

some meat with some veggies. The veggies gets digested and get on out

of there leaving the meat which takes longer but there is not as much

in your stomach not so much for you to digest it will digest quicker

so it will stay in your stomach less less toxins less gases less

engery used the better you feel. Basic simple knowledge.

 

Our bodies all work the same in this respect young, old. So that is

how I came to view food combinding as the way to go for someone that

wants to eat meat. Eating in a why that uses less engery, creates

less gasses and toxins in our body thus leaving us without the heavy

gassy, bloated alwful feeling we don't want. There are many

different books out there for food combinding. Some say don't even

combine fruits. Some say it's ok. When it comes to an animal protein

and a vegetable protein they are not in the same catorgy.I don't feel

there is any problems mixing a High protein vegetable with a

starch. I feel if you live in a culture where you hardly eat meat I

don't think you would have to worry so much about food combinding

when you do eat meat. In that mind set I believe once a person has

been RAW for 7 or more(or maybe even less) years the need for food

combinding will not be needed either. A vegetable starch and a

vegetable protein in your stomach at the same time I do not feel will

cause the same problems as a animal protein and a starch will.

 

But for now in the sad state and condition of the general public the

knowledge of food combinding would benifit the masses more so than

what the educated degreed doctors and nutrisionist and pushing cause

what they are telling us it just is NOT working. Which is also a

proven fact. To me it is now sort of like beating a dead horse. They

keep telling us this is the way to eat and we do it and get sicker

and sicker but those that are going against the so called RIGHT WAY

or LEARNED WAY are getting healthier and healthier. For years they

taught the world was flat. That is what they taught for centries but

as we know those learned educated people were WRONG!!! Didn't they

also teach that the earth rotated around the sun? Isn't that

something we just learned in the last 100 yrs or less to be false? So

for thousands of years things that we were told to be true have been

proven wrong. Each year we are find this to be true about more and

more things.

 

One other important factor I believe is exersise. Something I myself

need to work on. I know what I need to do I just need to get off my

duff and do it. Easier said then done. LOL!!! Even with exersising I

believe there needs to be combinding. areobic exersiseing with weight

training. I love the FIRM workout videos I think they have got it

right on track with their concept.

 

 

Every article I have read that bashed food combinding I have never

read one that was actually tried by the person that wrote it. They

have all dismissed it based on their knowledge not based on actually

trying it for themselves. What's the old saying Don't knock it till

you try it.

 

Our knowledge is limted, we only know what we know at that given time

and we never know all there is to know, but our ablitiy to learn and

grow....... there is no end

 

Jennifer

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger@s...> wrote:

> Hi Fred,

>

> That was an interesting and informative post. I can see where you

are

> coming from. I think the chemicals that we are ingesting are

certainly a

> terrible problem.

>

> In addition to that, I think food combining is a valid issue. In my

> experience, my digestion is the best if I eat only one kind of food

at a

> time - a mono-meal. I don't really have the problem of combining

> starches with proteins because I don't usually eat any starchy foods

> now. But I know of people who stopped having stomach pains as soon

as

> they stopped combining potatoes and meat for instance.

>

> There may be some inaccuracies in what Shelton wrote. I've found

that

> the field of nutrition is always advancing and often things that

were

> considered facts become disproved.

>

> I know that people are quite different in their health needs for

many

> reasons. One of them is their psychological and spiritual

perspective.

> But I believe we are more similar than different. That the reasons

for

> most of the differences are the level of un-health that virtually

all of

> civilized humanity is in.

>

> By the way I read, " Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, " and I

think

> there are some flaws in what he reported. Though I think it is a

great

> book. For one thing he led us to believe that all these native

groups

> had just a superb health. That is not true in every case. He went

to see

> the Eskimos. He raved about their health. No where does he discuss

the

> terrible osteoporosis they suffer from nor the fact they had an

average

> lifespan of only 39 years and in some tribes less than that. Their

> health was far from ideal.

>

> I think Dr. Price was biased towards a meat eating diet. He didn't

> understand anything about a vegetarian diet and how all protein

actually

> comes from plant sources. If we eat dark leafy greens we are

getting the

> protein we need along with the rest of the foods we are eating. He

talks

> about the fertile grass that the cows produce wonderful milk when

they

> eat this grass. So why drink the milk when we could eat the grass

> directly? Or in this case eat the most nutrient dense food - dark

leafy

> greens.

>

> If humans were eating raw foods for several generations and eating

them

> in a way that was biologically adapted to the species then I think

we

> would be much more similar in what we ate. Why shouldn't we be like

all

> the rest of the animals out there in the wild? I don't see to many

> rabbits hunting down prey. They all eat the same food. I would guess

> that all animals out in the wild would eat according to their

biological

> adaptations and to what was available within those limitations.

>

> If we were healthy and living near the equator and foraging for

foods we

> too would probably be eating the same foods as everyone else. We

> wouldn't be saying that I am different and I need to eat rice or

steak

> for that matter.

>

> I know from personal experience and from that of my clients and

friends,

> that we can adapt to many different diets. I personally thought I'd

> never be satisfied by eating fruit. I thought I would need to eat

> complex carbohydrates or starchy foods or I'd go hungry and be weak.

> That is what happened to me in my first attempts at going 100% raw.

I

> was even convinced that my body was not capable of eating only raw

> foods.

>

> That had been my experience. I even thought I had hypoglycemia. But

once

> I realized I simply wasn't eating enough fruit I solved my

problems. My

> body completely changed and now I'm adapted to eating a 100% raw

food

> diet.

>

> I therefore believe that once a person is healthy and eating a

proper

> diet then that person would be eating fruits and vegetables. We are

> primates and primates are the only animals that can taste sweet and

see

> colors. We are biologically adapted to finding, picking and eating

> fruits. That I believe would be our mainstay food if we were all

healthy

> for several generations of eating raw foods. Curious as to what

others

> have to say about this.

>

> Roger

>

> Have you tried the Raw Diet many times but failed to stick with it?

Now

> you can learn the Motivational and Dietary Secrets to success on a

100%

> Raw Food Diet. From Infinite Potential and Raw Food Coach, Roger

Haeske,

> the author of Your Hidden Power - eClass, Infinite Tennis and

> http://www.superbeing.com <http://www.superbeing.com/> . Go to

> http://www.superbeingdiet.com <http://www.superbeingdiet.com%20/>

to

> learn how to go 100% RAW.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

fred said>>>>

 

My MS major was Human Nutrition. I was in private practice for

a decade as a Clinical Nutritionist, but never really practiced

nutrition. My

clients came in with complaints that no one could solve, so I ended

up being a

diagnostician and solving them. The most common causes of their

complaints

were reactions first to chemicals then to foods. For about three

years, I held

workshops training professionals (doctors, chiropractors, nurses,

dentists,

nutritionists...) and non-professionals (mothers whose children were

labeled

LD, ED, ADD...) how to identify and address these issues. I have even

seen the

energy coming out of my hands accelerate the healing process.>>>>>>

 

 

Have you read The False Fat diet by Elson M Hass? This book really

blew my mind. About food and chemicals and the reaction they have in

our bodies and the problems they cause. How eating just something

like mustard can cause a person to have all kinds of medical

problems. Simply because of the way a person body reacts to it

chemically. Bacily how a person can be allergic to a food and not

know it. This allergy will even cause the person to crave that food.

I even learned oneof my foods was Mayo. Even though I did not go as

far as brake it down to find out if it was the combo of the

ingredients in the mayo or was it 1 ingredient but I do know when I

was eating it on a daily bases I experienced systems the same as

arthritis. Since I have stopped eating it I feel for now since it has

only been a few months at least 90% better. So I am begining to

believe it is the break down of ingredients and I am still getting it

in my diet still since I am not yet 100% RAW.

 

As for that ADD these have just made the scene in the last 40 yrs or

so ever since they have been feeding us more and more processed,

chemical laden junk they call food. They tried to tell me my son had

that and wanted to put him on meds. I refused order some herbs made

sure he ate better and stayed on his case. now at the age of 12 they

are saying maybe they were wrong.He is showing NO signs whatsoever of

having any kind of disorder. I lived for the last 3 yrs with

relatives with a young child they adopted that was a crack baby. They

feel he has ADHD. I watched this poor child day in and day out eat

nothing but junk. He lives off of nothing but Cereal and pop. I kept

telling them make him eat real food but they have not listened it was

just eaiser for them to give in to him then to fight him. My mother

watches him now for a few hours a day so when he is with her if he is

hungry she is making him eat what she gives him not what he wants and

just by him getting in that 1 good meal she says she has seen a great

improvement. Even though it is a meal based on the " SAD " way of

eating he is at least getting some real food in him.

 

 

Jennifer

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

rawfood , fred lieberman <fred_lieberman>

wrote:

>

> Hi Peter,

>

> If I have upset you and others, that was not my intension. I was

upset with what I read and expressed my feelings.

>

> I have done a lot of things in my life, which includes being a

farmer, special ed. teacher, even teaching Astronomy and Nutrition on

a college level. I am scientifically oriented. Part of my education

includes a BA in Chemistry and a MS in Biology. My MS major was

Human Nutrition. I was in private practice for a decade as a

Clinical Nutritionist, but never really practiced nutrition. My

clients came in with complaints that no one could solve, so I ended

up being a diagnostician and solving them. The most common causes of

their complaints were reactions first to chemicals then to foods.

For about three years, I held workshops training professionals

(doctors, chiropractors, nurses, dentists, nutritionists...) and non-

professionals (mothers whose children were labeled LD, ED, ADD...)

how to identify and address these issues. I have even seen the

energy coming out of my hands accelerate the healing process.

>

> What was the name of individual in Greek mythology who was in

search for the one person who did not lie or distort the truth? Am I

correct to assume that truth is important to you Peter? Truth is

very important to me. That is where I am at this point in my life.

When I do not hear it especially from so called experts, I get

annoyed, even angry. I have been lied to all my life and I cannot

always step aside and say: " So what. " Maybe as I feel better, the

distortions of others will no longer affect me.

>

> I am not putting Shelton down for his contributions to health

during the time he made the contributions.

>

> What upset me were the inaccuracies stated on the web page.

>

> Distortion of the facts and perpetuation of myths upsets me. The

three best examples of this are fluoride, cholesterol, and vitamins.

>

> Fluoride is a protoplasmic poison. It is as toxic as lead. Large

populations are being forced to consume this substance all their

life. The dangers far out way the so called minor benefits, which in

reality, do not exit. To me, this is absurd. The myth began in the

late 1930's by Gerald Cox, PhD, who worked for a branch of ALCOA.

Fluoride is a byproduct of aluminum production.

>

> The cholesterol hypothesis can best be described as an

experimentally generated disease. Hence perpetuation of the myth. The

lesions created by the experiments do not represent the true

pathology as it naturally occurs in humans. I read the experiments

from the medical journals. The experiments are totally invalid.

People are told to go on dangerous diets, dangerous medication, even

niacin (which by the way is not a vitamin) to lower cholesterol

levels.

>

> Over the counter vitamins are not vitamins. They are not the co-

enzymes which bring life to the enzymes in our body. Biochemically

speaking, structurally speaking, they are not in the right form to be

considered a co-enzyme. In fact, B1 as we find it in enriched flour

and many vitamin pills (thiamine mononitrate) as well as thiamine HCl

cannot be converted to the co-enzyme by our body.

>

> I too had my guru's. They have all fallen by the waste side. None

exist anymore. None of them chose to see the whole picture nor the

individual as an individual.

>

> If my crime is not willing to accept untruths and distortion of the

truth, then I am guilty.

>

> This is what I read on the website and this is what upset me.

>

> The web site http://chetday.com/fcnecess.html

>

> " ...it important that we exercise some care not to take into the

stomach at the same time foods requiring different and incompatible

media...

>

>

> " Different Foods Require Different Digestive Tasks

> It is a fundamental fact in chemistry that alkalies and acids are

opposites; that they neutralize each other. It is a fact in

physiology that all starchy foods digest in an alkaline medium and

the starch-splitting enzyme of the mouth (ptyalin or salivary

amylase) is destroyed by acid, even a mild acid. Therefore, if acids

are taken with starches, starch digestion is suspended. If breads or

cereals or potatoes are eaten with berries or with citrus fruits, or

with other acid-bearing foods, the digestion of these starches is

delayed.

>

> The stomach is always acidic. If it is not acidic, you will get

sick or are sick. The stomach is not the place where starches are

supposed to be digested (hydrolyzed). The pancreatic juices do that

in the small intestine.

>

> The purpose of acid in your stomach is to destroy microorganism,

begin the digestion of protein, indirectly aid in B12 absorption

(intrinsic factor production), and extract the minerals from the

foods we eat. Protein signals the stomach to produce hydrochloric

acid. Without the acid, none of the above will happen.

>

> With the above strategy, how did he expect to extract minerals from

the grains? Since all food contains microorganisms, how was he going

to prevent the wrong culture from getting started in the GI tract?

>

> " Eating Protein and Starches Together Begets Indigestion

> It is a fact of physiology that proteins require an acid medium for

their digestion in the stomach. When proteins are eaten, acid is

secreted to enable the enzyme, pepsin, to begin the work of protein

digestion. Now, it is not possible for two processes, that of starch

digestion requiring an alkaline medium for its digestion, and that of

protein digestion requiring an acid medium for its accomplishment, to

both go on in the same stomach at the same time, with any great

efficiency. The rising acidity of the stomach will neutralize the

saliva, destroy the salivary amylase, and bring starch digestion to a

halt.

>

> That is exactly what is supposed to happen.

>

> " If no protein is taken with the starch, no acid is poured into the

stomach and starch digestion proceeds on schedule.

>

> In a health person, the stomach is always acidic. Otherwise, we

run the risk of an infection. The stomach is not the place where

starch should be digested. It occurs in the small intestine.

>

> " A Fundamental Rule

> The application of this fact of the physiology of digestion is

plain: Eat starch foods at separate meals from acid foods and foods

requiring acid in their digestion.

>

> Perpetuating the myth

>

>

> " Acid Indigestion Arises From Wrong Combinations

>

> I do not get indigestion. That means this statement is not

universally true. I have gotten heartburn from cottonseed oil

(pesticide residues) found in certain foods. I avoid those foods.

>

> In over a decade of seeing clients, I have never seen anyone with

heartburn nor indigestion ever have a problem with combinations. It

was always due to a chemical in a specific food they ate or a hiatal

hernia. Once the first was avoided and the second was corrected

(without surgery), the symptoms disappeared.

>

>

> " Retarded digestion favors fermentation and putrefaction of the

foods eaten.

>

> Fermentation you want. That is how we obtain certain vitamins in

our GI tract. Microorganisms in our digestive tract exist in a

symbiotic relationship with us. We give them the environment and they

support us.

>

> Putrefaction or rotting of foods can only occur in the presence of

the wrong type of bacteria. (Check Louis Pasteur - 1822-1895)

>

> Wrong Food Combining Responsible For Much Suffering

>

> Not true. Weston Price (DDS) in the mid to late 20's proved it was

processed foods. By 1930, our soils were depleted of minerals (Check

the Empty Harvest by Anderson and Jensen). Pre-WWII, reactions to

foods then to chemicals were major causes of illness. (Check out The

Pulse Test - Arthur Coca, MD; and T. Randolph, MD, Father of Clinical

Ecology). After WWII, we began to inhale and ingest large amounts of

pesticides, fumigants, formaldehyde, plasticizers, hydrocarbons,

chlorine, fluoride, and other toxic chemicals. In our current time

frame, the chemicals we are exposed to are the major causes of our

illness, not wrong food combinations.

>

> My mentors taught me that each person is different. One life style

does not fit all condition and individuals. The person in front of me

has all the answers. That is the way I treated each client I saw. In

the 13 years of seeing over 1000 clients and many who were not

clients, performing over 48,000 individualized tests, the one

conclusion I can state from experience is: the major cause of illness

in our times is an exposure to one or more chemicals which our body

is rejecting. These substances should not be there in first place.

>

> Fred

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" Peter Gardiner " wrote:>

> I look forward to reading more of your postings, Fred.

 

Me too! They have been extremely informative, so please keep 'm

coming Fred.

 

/Mimi

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter,

 

I hope this helps.

 

No one is better than anyone else. That is pure illusion.

 

Each one of us comes into this lifetime with all the information we will ever

need to know about this journey of ours. Accessing that information is called

intuition. When we reached first grade, our teachers taught us not to use

intuition anymore otherwise they will fail us. We were forced to use intellect,

reasoning, and ego. We lost our natural state of knowing and freedom for

illusion, deception, members of a caste system, and prisoners to everyone who is

frustrated with their own lives.

 

I can not tell you what is right for you anymore than I can tell it for anyone

else. Intellectually, I do not know what is right for anyone.

 

Rose and I chose the organic raw diet for therapeutic reasons. We reached a

point where we were reacting to everything: foods, air in the stores, cardboard,

newspapers, even mail. The wheat grass juice made the difference. Within 2

months we were free of reactions. Without intuition, we would have ended up in

the hospital misdiagnosed.

 

I am a Diagnostician and Healer. It has taken me years to accept my identity.

That is where my journey has taken me.

 

You are where you are and that is where your journey has taken you. You may be

weak in the academic area, but you are strong in experience. That is your

strength.

 

Do not be intimidated by names and credentials. Their talk is to cover up their

insecurities. Talk is cheap, experience is valuable. Be careful you do not use

someone else's theories or philosophies to explain your experiences.

 

" Purists would abhor my heresy and hypocrisy,

 

Who says they are right. Happy people are never purists. Happy people are free

to enjoy life. Happy people never restrict their lives with theoretical

nonsense.

 

Fred

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

rawfood , fred lieberman <fred_lieberman>

wrote:

> Hi Peter,

>

> I hope this helps.

>

> When we reached first grade, our teachers taught us not to use

intuition anymore otherwise they will fail us. We were forced to use

intellect, reasoning, and ego. We lost our natural state of knowing

and freedom for illusion, deception, members of a caste system, and

prisoners to everyone who is frustrated with their own lives.

>

>

> Fred

 

Dear Fred:

 

I was just posting on this topic on another board. It sums up what I

think on the subject beautifully and succintly.

 

May I quote this elsewhere? Using your name? Anonymously?

 

I think it would help if it could be demonstrated that my positions

regarding this matter are those of others as well.

 

Doreen

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I did my first totally raw day yesterday and it did feel strange. It was

quite cold here in Wales last night and I must admit, that my husbands tea

of hot tomato sauce on pasta and kidney beens felt a lot more appitising

than my cold main dish salad. Don't people here miss really nice hot

warming soups in the winter? I can't do fully raw every day, but have

decided to be raw until tea time every day and totally raw once a week for

now as I can cope with that and my tea will be only half raw every day. I'm

comfortable with that so far.

Cheers, Shell.

[Guest guest]

Hi Doreen,

 

Feel free to use it as you see fit.

 

Love

 

Fred

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

--- B " H

 

10q, Fred.

 

Doreen

 

In rawfood , fred lieberman <fred_lieberman>

wrote:

> Hi Doreen,

>

> Feel free to use it as you see fit.

>

> Love

>

> Fred

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

rawfood , fred lieberman <fred_lieberman>

wrote:

> > When we reached first grade, our teachers taught us not to use

intuition anymore otherwise they will fail us. We were forced to use

intellect, reasoning, and ego.

 

Fred

 

My favorite is math. Math, you see is based on reason. You have to

accept axioms, ridiculous as they sound, unprovable as they are. The

reason you have to accept them is because math is based on reason.

The reason you have to accept the proposition that math is based on

reason is because if you don't you're being uncooperative and

unreasonable. If you are uncooperative and unreasonable then you will

be punished. Now that was logical. Right?

 

Doreen

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Fred

 

Thanks you for your answer to Peter. You answered some niggling questions that

I had but wasn't sure how to frame them. Now I understand the acid/base and

protein/starch problems.

 

Thaks so much.

 

Diane

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Fred

 

Right on! If we don't listen to our bodies who will?

 

Enjoy your writings.

 

Diane

 

fred lieberman <fred_lieberman wrote:

Hi Peter,

 

I hope this helps.

 

No one is better than anyone else. That is pure illusion.

 

Each one of us comes into this lifetime with all the information we will ever

need to know about this journey of ours. Accessing that information is called

intuition. When we reached first grade, our teachers taught us not to use

intuition anymore otherwise they will fail us. We were forced to use intellect,

reasoning, and ego. We lost our natural state of knowing and freedom for

illusion, deception, members of a caste system, and prisoners to everyone who is

frustrated with their own lives.

 

I can not tell you what is right for you anymore than I can tell it for anyone

else. Intellectually, I do not know what is right for anyone.

 

Rose and I chose the organic raw diet for therapeutic reasons. We reached a

point where we were reacting to everything: foods, air in the stores, cardboard,

newspapers, even mail. The wheat grass juice made the difference. Within 2

months we were free of reactions. Without intuition, we would have ended up in

the hospital misdiagnosed.

 

I am a Diagnostician and Healer. It has taken me years to accept my identity.

That is where my journey has taken me.

 

You are where you are and that is where your journey has taken you. You may be

weak in the academic area, but you are strong in experience. That is your

strength.

 

Do not be intimidated by names and credentials. Their talk is to cover up their

insecurities. Talk is cheap, experience is valuable. Be careful you do not use

someone else's theories or philosophies to explain your experiences.

 

" Purists would abhor my heresy and hypocrisy,

 

Who says they are right. Happy people are never purists. Happy people are free

to enjoy life. Happy people never restrict their lives with theoretical

nonsense.

 

Fred

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

--- B " H

 

Something interesting about that tree in the Garden. The tree of

wasn't an apple tree, by the way, and there is only one tree in the

Garden. In the original Hebrew it is clear that the tree is a fruit

tree, not a fruit-bearing tree. In other words, the entire tree in

the Garden is edible, not just the fruit.

 

I never understood what this meant until I read a book written by a

very insightful Rabbi, whose name escapes me.

 

He wrote: What is the difference between a fruit tree and a fruit-

bearing tree?

 

The Holy One intended that the tree of the Garden be a fruit tree,

not a fruit-bearing tree. But the earth could not respond to so

great a command and produced a fruit-bearing tree. How is this

expressed in the world we live in? We live in a world of cause and

effect (a world of fruit-bearing trees), whereas God intends that

this world be a world in which the act *is* the result, that is to

say, the cause and the effect are simultaneous, identical acutally.

 

Doreen

 

In rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...>

wrote:

> Doreen,

>

> Genesis expresses the notion with the tree of knowledge.

>

> Bite that apple and out goes intuition to be replaced by human

> objectivity

> or have I read something that was not intended.

>

> Peter

>

>

>

> Doreen Bell-Dotan [dordot2001]

> 03 September 2003 12:13

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] Hi I am New

>

>

>

> rawfood , fred lieberman

<fred_lieberman>

> wrote:

> > Hi Peter,

> >

> > I hope this helps.

> >

> > When we reached first grade, our teachers taught us not to use

> intuition anymore otherwise they will fail us. We were forced to

use

> intellect, reasoning, and ego. We lost our natural state of

knowing

> and freedom for illusion, deception, members of a caste system, and

> prisoners to everyone who is frustrated with their own lives.

> >

> >

> > Fred

>

> Dear Fred:

>

> I was just posting on this topic on another board. It sums up what

I

> think on the subject beautifully and succintly.

>

> May I quote this elsewhere? Using your name? Anonymously?

>

> I think it would help if it could be demonstrated that my positions

> regarding this matter are those of others as well.

>

> Doreen

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Roger,

 

Very well said !

 

I have been reading the recent threads, and although

interesting, most of it was far too philosophical for

me. I like to keep things as simple as possible; it

always helps me understand what seem like complex

issues.

 

As far as our diet goes, I think it's a lot more

helpful to study mammal behavior, then to study

nutrition.

 

Mammals like us eat only RAW foods. They eat lots of

leafy greens, and seasonal fruit. The mono diet is

natural because plants tend not to grow in too close a

proximity, and are seasonal. I used to think that I

had to eat kale, spinach, onions, tomatoes, olives,

avocados act, all in one sitting, in order to get all

my vitamins and minerals. In nature it would be more

common to find a huge patch of kale, eat it for a few

days and then walk on to find an avocado tree. We

would then binge on avocados. In a few weeks we

might find a citrus tree, and on and on.

 

If you look at food in this light, then food combining

is not an issue. I try to eat 4 mono meals per day.

Fruit, greens, fruit, greens. I mix fats with my

greens. I do not eat a lot of nuts, because they are

very difficult to eat in the wild. Eating a raw nut

is a lot of work. In the wild, we would not be able

to sit down and eat fistfuls of almonds. Although

mono meals don't seem very plush, they are. Imagine

having to eat only what nature provides. We would be

eating mono for days on end. We would also be subject

to fasting when a food source ran out, or the season

ended. Thus its clear that we are supposed to fast.

 

Folks have gotten far too philosophical to me. Of

course chemicals are bad. We should strive to ingest

no chemicals at all. And of course food combination

is important. But we don't need to make a huge deal

out of either. Being human is not easy. We are so

smart that we feel we need to make simple things very

complex. I would think that people on this mailing

list, are here because they want to learn how to eat

raw foods. It's not too difficult, unless we make it

so.

 

For the new people, I recommend reading The Sun food

Diet Success System, and eating raw foods. Don't

expect to be 100% raw too quickly. Expect failure,

and then you will not be disappointed. Try going a

whole day RAW, and then 2, and then 3 and so on.

Before you know it, it will become so painful to eat

the SAD, and you feel so good eating RAW, that the

transition will become natural.

 

I have an interesting perspective, because I was an

alcoholic, who smoked and drank lots of coffee. I also

took a lot of prescription drugs. It has taken me an

awful long time to transition, and progress is

sometimes slow. Physically, I never imagined that I

could ever feel this good, and a lot of life long

problems have disappeared (Asthma, chronic fatigue,

depression and anxiety).

 

My experience has proved that green leafy veggies are

very important for me, and it was difficult for me to

eat enough. I was eating about 80% fruit (mostly

sweet fruits). I then bought a Green Star juicer for

greens (I already had a L'equip 221 for fruit). I

drank a liter of chard, kale, collards ect every day

for two days, and then the dam broke. I peed 15 times

in 12 hours. I had two nights of very violent dreams,

and then felt like I was on an other level. I lost 6

lbs in 2 days, and felt reborn. If you are eating a

lot of fruit, you might want to try it.

 

Best luck to everyone, I enjoy this mailing list.

 

Rufus

[Guest guest]

Hi Jennifer,

 

When I work with my clients, I never make any recommendations based upon what I

intellectually think is right for them. I tried that when I first went into

practice and got no where fast.

 

I do not know what is right or wrong for anyone. I do know that the person in

front of me has all the answers and I need to ask the right questions to access

that information. All the answers exist in our nervous system and that is where

I access all the answers from.

The answers are almost 100% accurate.

 

Love

 

Fred

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Wendy,

 

If you need to know more about how the body works, medical physiology would be a

good start.

 

If your body says it needs bread, then eat bread. It is smarter than all of us

put together. We get sick when we intellectually override what the body is

intuitively telling us.

 

To understand cravings look up the term pica. It will explain why certain

cravings exist. In the beginning of " Zinc and other Micronutrients, " by Carl

Pfeiffer, MD, PhD. there is an excellent explanation of the topic from his

experience.

 

Love

 

Fred

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Wendy,

 

If you need to know more about how the body works, medical physiology

would be a good start.

 

If your body says it needs bread, then eat bread. It is smarter than

all of us put together. We get sick when we intellectually override

what the body is intuitively telling us.

[RH]

This is my perspective on this issue. The body craves bread either

because it is addicted to it (or some substance in it) or because it

needs more carbohydrates. Bread is a food high in complex carbohydrates.

By the way, our bodies can't directly use complex carbohydrates

(starches) anyway. They have to be broken down into simple sugars to be

utilized. Therefore, I believe it to be quite inefficient and

unnecessary to eat starchy foods. Sweet fruit is the cleanest burning

food that we could eat. It leaves the least residue.

 

If I went by my cravings alone I'd never have been able to have stayed

on a raw diet. Now I don't crave bread, but I do eat a lot more fruit in

its place. I learned that my craving for bread and other starchy foods

was my craving for fruit. Fruit is my bread.

 

We are addicted to many things that aren't good for us. Until the body

is purified of the offending substance, it will want more of it. The

term misery loves company applies in this regard. Because we have

developed perverted tastes from years of eating cooked, processed and an

abundance of foods at each meal, much of our intuition has been dulled

and been replaced by addiction.

 

Roger

 

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