cheese

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*raises paw*

i do, also a nut cheese book..but..to be honest..never used either of em

i tend to cook by the seat of my drawers anyways..i have a bunch of cookbooks,

but rarely will i follow a recipe...i tend to add wotever i think we will as i

go

cheers

fraggle

 

Talisman <talisman wrote:

 

>Do any of you have the book " The Uncheese Cookbook " by Joanne Stepaniak? It

contains some good alternatives for cheeses. Just a thought for those of you

who are really hankering for cheese.

>

>Talisman

>

[Guest guest]

Rennet, which is an enzyme used in many cheeses, is

made from the stomach lining of cows, I believe.

There are cheeses made from other enzymes.

 

> ...eating cheese isnt even vegetarian. cheese has an

> actual animal flesh inside it, in derivitive.

 

I do not believe that statement is 100% correct.

Eating cheese with animal-based rennet in it is

not vegetarian. Cheese is available without rennet

or without animal-based rennet, which, I think, is

considered vegetarian, at least ova-lacto vegetarian.

 

Information on rennet and vegetarian cheeses

can be found here:

<http://www.vegsoc.org/info/cheese.html>

 

Gary

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diamyst wrote:

> Buy Canadian Made cheese. ............. No growth hormones used

> here yet.

 

 

I didn't know that...thanks for sharing! :~)

 

 

 

>...... We go through a lot of cheese.

 

 

I really thought I would have a hard time giving up cheese........I ate

it every day [for many years!]. but when I gave up dairy [hmm, uh~

a year or two ago........geeze, I cant remember how long it's

been.....seems forever now!] it wasn't so hard after a couple days.

Now, when it is served to me [with something I wasn't expecting it

to be on] it actually tastes rather vulgar....like something spoiled. I

find that pretty interesting............

 

~Pixx

 

 

 

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I don’t recommend milk, but if you must have it buy Organic Raw. When you are

looking at liquids anything that has been pasteurized is Dead.

 

 

 

 

 

Good Luck,

 

 

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Well, not only that, but now you have to worry about Rgbh or is it rGBH?

I think Horizon makes completely free rGBH organic milk if you have to drink

it.

 

Jesse

 

 

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Re: [Raw Food] Cheese

 

 

 

I don’t recommend milk, but if you must have it buy Organic Raw. When you

are looking at liquids anything that has been pasteurized is Dead.

[Guest guest]

so no cheese is good 4 u? And yes I've heard of pasturized, but wasn't exactly

sure what it meant? need a good definiton.

 

studio53 <studio53 wrote:Well, not only that, but now you have to

worry about Rgbh or is it rGBH?

I think Horizon makes completely free rGBH organic milk if you have to drink

it.

 

Jesse

 

 

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" Bruce Reid "

To:

Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:05 PM

Re: [Raw Food] Cheese

 

 

 

I don’t recommend milk, but if you must have it buy Organic Raw. When you

are looking at liquids anything that has been pasteurized is Dead.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

They cook it to Death… They heat it to kill all of the natural enzymes so it can

sit on a shelf longer. Less waste no nutrition, but more money in the retailer

and farmers pocket. It doesn’t cost any more money well maybe a little, (better

feed hopefully and no steroids) to produce raw organic milk; they just don’t

have the shelf life.

 

 

 

Hope this helps, I’m not a dairy farmer so don’t crucify me and hold me to every

word.

 

 

 

Since World War One the food industry has been killing food.

 

PROCESSING

 

 

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I hope it's okay to address the ethics of eating cheese, too. I don't mean

to be offensive or preachy, but as a vegan in the process of transitioning

to raw, my focus is on ethics first, and then health. Feel free to skip if

ethical information is unwelcome.

 

But first, a logical argument. Many people often argue for raw food as the

most natural choice, pointing out that humans are the only species to cook

their food. I agree, and I also want to note that humans are the only

species to drink milk (or eat milk products) past infancy, and the only

species to consume the milk of another species. Now onto ethics...

 

In order to keep producing milk, a cow is continually impregnated throughout

her productive life (most commonly 3 to 4 years in the US). Female calves,

obviously, can be raised as dairy cows, but " surplus " calves are sold soon

after birth into the veal industry.

 

Today's dairy cows produce far more milk than in decades past; thus life is

more uncomfortable for them, with an increased incidence of painful mastitis

or infections. After being pushed quite hard to give an enormous amount of

milk, a cow is sent to slaughter when she is no longer " productive " enough.

In the United States, about 40% of hamburger is made from former dairy cows.

 

Buying organic milk might not necessarily make a difference, because at

least in the U.S., requirements for organic certification are directly

related to animal feed, not animal treatment.

 

Julie

 

 

 

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" Bruce Reid " <bwreid67

<rawfood >

Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:10 PM

Re: [Raw Food] Cheese

 

 

 

They cook it to Death. They heat it to kill all of the natural enzymes so it

can sit on a shelf longer. Less waste no nutrition, but more money in the

retailer and farmers pocket. It doesn't cost any more money well maybe a

little, (better feed hopefully and no steroids) to produce raw organic milk;

they just don't have the shelf life.

 

 

 

Hope this helps, I'm not a dairy farmer so don't crucify me and hold me to

every word.

 

 

 

Since World War One the food industry has been killing food.

 

PROCESSING

 

 

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Not a pretty picture, Shame on all you Milk drinkers. If you must drink milk

homemade nut milks are very tasty. I'll see if I can find my recipe for coconut

milk. NO Not the milk that comes out there is more to it....... You'll love it

 

Bruce

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Gene, gotta agree with you there we may not like the same music but

sharp cheddar rules. stay cool, Dave

[Guest guest]

Really? Well I am lacto-ovo and I still eat cheese; though I

am cutting way back on it due to fat content and the suspect

milk supply issues.

 

Somedays I just crave a tunafish sandwich or a plate of

fish & chips with lots of tartar sauce and malt vinegar!

Mmmmm. I do find those Quorn brand chicken-like cutlets

to help out with the fish & chips cravings.

 

~ PT ~

 

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They are the gadflies that keep society from being

too complacent.

~ Abraham Flexner

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>

, The Stewarts <stews9@c...>

wrote:

> For me it's been REAL cheese. Love it, especially very sharp

Vermont

> style cheddar and mouth-itching zingy Suisse / Swiss.

[Guest guest]

Triscuit, CB white NY sharp cheddar and a jalp slice or 2.

 

Saltine, sharp cheddar or jack and dollups of Asian chile/garlic

sauce.

 

all interchangeable of course. nummy....mini-sammiches.

 

would go well with Megan and PT stew and chile!! YEEEHAW!!!

 

S.

 

 

, " ~ PT ~ "

<patchouli_troll> wrote:

> Really? Well I am lacto-ovo and I still eat cheese;

[Guest guest]

Can you suggest a product

> that I can use to make grilled cheese?

 

 

Yep, try Follow Your Heart brand vegan cheese.

http://www.imearthkind.com/

 

It melts very well and is the best alternative.

[Guest guest]

Hi all!

Thanks Sheryl for the link. It does look like a great

alternative but there are no stores in my area that

carry that brand and it would cost me $22 for them to

ship it here. I guess the closest store is in

Michigan. I will have to keep looking for something

else since I can't afford that shipping cost. I guess

it has to come overnight or 2 day.

Thanks for the info though!

 

--- Sheryl <ssarndt wrote:

> Can you suggest a product

> > that I can use to make grilled cheese?

>

>

> Yep, try Follow Your Heart brand vegan cheese.

> http://www.imearthkind.com/

>

> It melts very well and is the best alternative.

>

>

 

 

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[Guest guest]

You know, I had that same problem!!! I just emailed my local health

food store and requested that they carry it and they did!! That's

how I was able to try it. Wild Oats and Whole Foods have been less

responsive to this request, so if I were you I would find a locally

owned store and request it there. Sometimes they can even order you

a case of it at a much cheaper price.

Other than that, my personal opinion is that the other vegan cheese

alternatives on the market are really bad. I don't like them at

all. I would rather go without!!

 

 

 

, kia <kia2_2> wrote:

> Hi all!

> Thanks Sheryl for the link. It does look like a great

> alternative but there are no stores in my area that

> carry that brand and it would cost me $22 for them to

> ship it here. I guess the closest store is in

> Michigan. I will have to keep looking for something

> else since I can't afford that shipping cost. I guess

> it has to come overnight or 2 day.

> Thanks for the info though!

>

> --- Sheryl <ssarndt> wrote:

> > Can you suggest a product

> > > that I can use to make grilled cheese?

> >

> >

> > Yep, try Follow Your Heart brand vegan cheese.

> > http://www.imearthkind.com/

> >

> > It melts very well and is the best alternative.

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kia <kia2_2

 

 

" it would cost me $22 for them to

ship it here. I guess the closest store is in

Michigan. I will have to keep looking for something

else since I can't afford that shipping cost. I guess

it has to come overnight or 2 day.

Thanks for the info though! "

 

Yeah...looks like it has to be refrigerated and has to ship 2nd day Brown

Wagon to the majority of the U.S. Hope the packaging is lined with gold!

 

Looks like they have some cool stuff though. Any others out there yall? I

wonder if some of the veg cheeses that don't melt well could be mixed/added

with a soy milk or something to help the properties melt...has anyone tried

and/or experimented with such things? TIA

 

S.

 

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[Guest guest]

I've been a vegan for about a year now and I can tell you

that " follow your heart " is the only brand of vegan cheese i've tried

that was any good. (I have tried toffuti slices, veganrella, chreese

(nutritional yeast powder mix) and none of these have a really

cheeselike consistancy or flavor. I only buy follow your heart

occasionally because it is rather expensive, even at my local health

food store. You may be able to special order it your health food

store, or request that a grocer (i.e. Whole Foods) carry it.

 

My advice to you, if you really want to go vegan is just give up

dairy cheese completely. If you keep eating it, even occasionally

(or even the soy cheese with casein, a milk protein) you will never

rid yourself of the cravings for cheese. I'm an ex cheesehead from

green bay wisconsin, so if i can give it up anyone can. After

awhile, I stopped missing cheese and now the thought of eating

rancid, puss-filled mammary secretions makes my stomach turn.

Finding vegan food can be a little frustrating, because many products

(even margarine and vegetarian fake meat) often have dairy or egg

whites added. The most important thing to realize is that you don't

need dairy in your diet. A vegan diet isn't necessarily any more

expensive than a vegetarian one, as long as you don't get caught up

in buying soy milk, soy cheese, and soy ice cream all of the time.

Amy's and Bravisimo make some very good " roasted vegetable " frozen

pizzas, w/o cheese, although it is probably cheaper to make your

own. good luck!

[Guest guest]

I have noticed that if you cut veganrella in slices (like you would

for " cheese and crackers " ) as opposed to grating it for a pizza, it

does tend to melt better. Unfortunately, it has a bitter, ricey

aftertaste I just can't get used to. " Chreese " brand " mozarella " mix

actually melts okay if you follow the directions, but I am just not

too crazy about the taste of nutritional yeast. Has anyone ever

tried Yves " good slices " ? alas, none of my stores carry them, but

Yves brand is usually good.

 

, " _- matrixenos -_ "

<matrixenos@h...> wrote:

 

> Looks like they have some cool stuff though. Any others out there

yall? I

> wonder if some of the veg cheeses that don't melt well could be

mixed/added

> with a soy milk or something to help the properties melt...has

anyone tried

> and/or experimented with such things? TIA

>

> S.

>

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[Guest guest]

I have to admit that I REALLY like the Macaroni and

Chreeze products. Doesn't particularly taste like

cheese to me, but I like nutritional yeast, and I

think the product is very yummy with fresh tomato and

avocado chopped up in it (of course, is there anything

that isn't good with avocado <g>)?

 

Overall, however, I agree that the best thing is to

just give up cheese & " cheese " cold turkey, at least

for awhile. I still get the occasional craving,

although thinking about what it is usually gets me to

stop wanting it. If I'm in a " Cheesy mood, " I usually

just make some homemade tofu scramble, which is

faintly reminiscent of a cheesy egg scramble, and I'm

fine. I'll try to remember to post the " recipe "

tomorrow, although I'll have to guess-timate because

it's kind of a " throw a bunch of stuff in a pan and

stirfry " kind of dish.

 

--- dave <dave4sale wrote:

> " Chreese "

> brand " mozarella " mix

> actually melts okay if you follow the directions,

> but I am just not

> too crazy about the taste of nutritional yeast.

 

 

 

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Pickles have animal products in them? Explain please...

Karen

 

, Sant & Brown

<santbrown@l...> wrote:

> >

> > Cheese is another interesting one. I know that much of it

contains

> > animal rennet, so is not even vegetarian. So, if it was made

with

> > cheese containing animal rennet, you also did the right thing!

>

> Yeah, for years I blinked at cheese and the animal rennet in it.

It's a

> problem. Most processed foods have something animal about them -

even

> pickles. Again, one must make the decision to do the best one can.

It's

> not just vegetarianism or veganism that occupies one's mind after

all.

> There's also 'fair trade' - we buy organic fair trade coffee beans,

> organic fair trade tea - but I'm not sure I can guarantee that those

> employed are always 'adults' by our standards or that no animals

have

> been employed in the transport of some of the produce, etc. :=) And

of

> course, tea and coffee in restaurants is another deal. And there's

the

> problem of supporting regimes, by trade, with which one might have

> personal disagreement. And and and.

>

> Perfection, fortunately, is unattainable.

>

> Best,

> Pat

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have

> the burden of proving it. " (Franz Fanon)

> * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things,

man

> will not himself find peace. " (Albert Schweitzer)

[Guest guest]

>

> Pickles have animal products in them? Explain please...

> Karen

>

 

Evidently it's about the lactic acid :=( But don't ask me more cuz I

dunno. Practically everything you eat that is not fresh picked can have

some animal product in it (some stuff can be from either plants or

animals, but who's to be sure which, etc.) - whether it's the shellac on

some fruit, the lactic acid, the casein or whey, the food dyes like

cochineal, etc etc. All very difficult for the strictest of vegetarians,

which I am discovering I am not cut out to be.

 

Best,

Pat

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[Guest guest]

not all lactic acid is derived from dairy. I'm not sure about

pickles, but if the label says " parve " or " pareve " then it should be

dairy free. parve means folks who keep kosher can add either dairy

or meat to it.

 

, Sant & Brown

<santbrown@l...> wrote:

> >

> > Pickles have animal products in them? Explain please...

> > Karen

> >

>

> Evidently it's about the lactic acid :=( But don't ask me more cuz I

> dunno. Practically everything you eat that is not fresh picked can

have

> some animal product in it (some stuff can be from either plants or

> animals, but who's to be sure which, etc.) - whether it's the

shellac on

> some fruit, the lactic acid, the casein or whey, the food dyes like

> cochineal, etc etc. All very difficult for the strictest of

vegetarians,

> which I am discovering I am not cut out to be.

>

> Best,

> Pat

> --

[Guest guest]

> if the label says " parve " or " pareve " then it should be

> dairy free. parve means folks who keep kosher can add either dairy

> or meat to it.

 

Ahah! So I'll look for that on the label when searching for pickles and

other condiments containing 'lactic acid'. Nice tip. Thanks.

 

Best,

Pat

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[Guest guest]

FYI, Lactic Acid is not necessarily animal sourced.

 

--- Sant & Brown <santbrown wrote:

> > if the label says " parve " or " pareve " then it

> should be

> > dairy free. parve means folks who keep kosher can

> add either dairy

> > or meat to it.

>

> Ahah! So I'll look for that on the label when

> searching for pickles and

> other condiments containing 'lactic acid'. Nice tip.

> Thanks.

>

> Best,

> Pat

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> having said it, I have

> the burden of proving it. " (Franz Fanon)

> * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all

> living things, man

> will not himself find peace. " (Albert Schweitzer)

>

 

 

 

 

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LaDonna!!!

 

You are back. Did you have a nice time? Missed you. Things were very

quiet without you - smile.

 

Do you think Sandi would mind if I shared this on GFCFRecipes?

 

BL

 

Tea Cozy wrote:

 

>Forwarded for Sandi:

>

>Cheese

>

>Very few things are sacrosanct in this day, and cheese must now be classed

>among those things that have lost their halo. Cheese has been used for at

>least 4,000 years,

>

>