RE: Smoking debate via other thoughts

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Kings College Hospital at Camberwell now has it's own little bus^H^H^H

smoking shelter in a corner of the grounds which is definitely a lot more

reasonable than just forcing people to stand around near the entrance...

 

Whether or not you smoke (or agree with smoking), it's not going away any

time soon, so catering *properly* for smokers is much more sensible than

just leaving people to their own devices (which ends up with the clump of

people as short a distance from the entrance to their building as they can

get away with).

 

Steve

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Why should they be catered for? Why help them to continue their habit? You

are doing them no favours. They are seriously self-harming, in fact slowly

committing suicide, but since euthanasia is illegal and people also try to

prevent suicide, even though it is not illegal, it seems to me smoking is in

that category and should be made as difficult as possible.

Would you give a person who cuts themself a knife to do it, or a suicidal

person a load of pills to OD on? So why give smoking areas, when they could

just ban it on hospital grounds altogether.

We have to get tough on them.

 

Lesley

 

 

 

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Kings College Hospital at Camberwell now has it's own little bus^H^H^H

smoking shelter in a corner of the grounds which is definitely a lot more

reasonable than just forcing people to stand around near the entrance...

 

Whether or not you smoke (or agree with smoking), it's not going away any

time soon, so catering *properly* for smokers is much more sensible than

just leaving people to their own devices (which ends up with the clump of

people as short a distance from the entrance to their building as they can

get away with).

 

Steve

 

 

 

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> Why should they be catered for? Why help them to continue their habit? You

> are doing them no favours>

 

At st geoges hospital in Tooting they have a smoking room for the incurable

cancer patients.I looked in and saw people of all ages smoking, I find that

diabolical, and only warped logic could justify it.>

 

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You sick a-hole, if a smoker is already DYING of cancer -- maybe dead in a

few days! -- what good will it do to take away little relief of smoking

(preferably cannabis)????

 

Even condemned criminals get last cigerette I thought!

 

>At st geoges hospital in Tooting they have a smoking room for the incurable

>cancer patients.I looked in and saw people of all ages smoking, I find that

>diabolical, and only warped logic could justify it.>

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Appalling, and there is also the fact that it most likely drifts out of the

room, I would bet you can't walk past without getting a huge lungful, so

allowing it indoors would be affecting other patients and staff. These

people should be allowed to die with some dignity and helping them to die

quicker by helping them to remain as addicts is surely no dignity at all.

I'd call that assisted suicide.

A few might get better if they were not smoking, the doctors are not always

right about cancer being incurable.

 

Lesley

 

 

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> Why should they be catered for? Why help them to continue their habit? You

> are doing them no favours>

 

At st geoges hospital in Tooting they have a smoking room for the incurable

cancer patients.I looked in and saw people of all ages smoking, I find that

diabolical, and only warped logic could justify it.>

 

Simon

 

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Hey this is not "the other list", less of the personal insults please!

 

Lesley

 

 

slg edith [slgedith]05 April 2003 13:54 Subject: Re: Smoking debate via other thoughtsYou sick a-hole, if a smoker is already DYING of cancer -- maybe dead in a few days! -- what good will it do to take away little relief of smoking (preferably cannabis)????Even condemned criminals get last cigerette I thought!>At st geoges hospital in Tooting they have a smoking room for the incurable>cancer patients.I looked in and saw people of all ages smoking, I find that>diabolical, and only warped logic could justify it.>>>Simon_______________Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/mobile~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to -

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> " Lesley Dove " <Lesley

 

>So why give smoking areas, when they could

>just ban it on hospital grounds altogether.

>We have to get tough on them.

 

 

 

Yeah, kick out ALL NURSES AND DOCTORS AND STAFF WHO SMOKE to help stress --

who needs them in hospital? Let the disgusting smoke-addict patients drop

dead if they don't like it. That's tough. Make plenty of room for all the

women considering emergency contraception that Leslie gone lock up if we

don't lock her up first in the Ve*an Nuthouse.

 

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Doctors are rarely foolish enough to smoke anyway, although quite a few nurses do, and it is a fact that smoking does not help anyone with stress, for a start it can raise the smoker's heart rate by about 20 beats per minute, so tell me expert Edith how does a stimulant like nicotine help stress? It's one of the myths about smoking that doctors will tell you is a complete lie. Stress and smoking together are a bad combination and result in heart attacks, the more stressed the person is the worse it is to smoke!

 

I know that when I get forced to breathe second hand smoke, it produces heart palpitations for me because I am highly sensitive to it, it clearly causes stress! I'm not the only person like this.

 

I'm not getting into the abortion issue again.

 

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slg edith [slgedith]05 April 2003 14:16 Subject: RE: Smoking debate via other thoughts>"Lesley Dove" <Lesley>So why give smoking areas, when they could>just ban it on hospital grounds altogether.>We have to get tough on them.Yeah, kick out ALL NURSES AND DOCTORS AND STAFF WHO SMOKE to help stress -- who needs them in hospital? Let the disgusting smoke-addict patients drop dead if they don't like it. That's tough. Make plenty of room for all the women considering emergency contraception that Leslie gone lock up if we don't lock her up first in the Ve*an Nuthouse.Edith_______________Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author, there may be another side to the story you have not heard.---------------------------Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>Un: send a blank message to -

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Fortunately I am in the majority on this one. Most people hate cigarette

smoke, even if non-smokers don't all get a severe reaction to it. Why are

you sticking up for offensive prats? Are you one? I'd rather stick up for

the victims such as the children of smokers, who are abused by being forced

to breathe it.

 

Lesley

 

 

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05 April 2003 14:55

 

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> So why give smoking areas, when they could

> just ban it on hospital grounds altogether.

 

They could. But then they'd have a clump of smokers at the entrance.

 

> We have to get tough on them.

 

No *we* don't. You may want to, but don't try and speak for everyone else.

 

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> So why give smoking areas, when they could

> just ban it on hospital grounds altogether.

 

They could. But then they'd have a clump of smokers at the entrance.

 

> We have to get tough on them.

 

No *we* don't. You may want to, but don't try and speak for everyone else.

 

Steve

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> Even condemned criminals get last cigerette I thought!>

 

I think you've been watching too many tobacco sponsored films and adverts,

I doubt there would be many asking for a cigarette as a last request before

be shot or hanged, etc .

 

Simon

 

 

> >At st geoges hospital in Tooting they have a smoking room for the

incurable

> >cancer patients.I looked in and saw people of all ages smoking, I find

that

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Not many people would agree that smoking is harmless,

So at least keep it away from public places, like off the streets, and out

of our faces.

 

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I was at a function this morning and this old guy next to me lit up the most lethal smelling cigar ever and it wafted into my face and honest to god I could hardly breathe. It's such a stinking anti-social habit. Urgh!

 

Janey

 

Appalling, and there is also the fact that it most likely drifts out of theroom, I would bet you can't walk past without getting a huge lungful, soallowing it indoors would be affecting other patients and staff. Thesepeople should be allowed to die with some dignity and helping them to diequicker by helping them to remain as addicts is surely no dignity at all.I'd call that assisted suicide.A few might get better if they were not smoking, the doctors are not alwaysright about cancer being incurable.Lesley

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yes, I agree Lesley. I think smoking should be banned in public places like it's just been done in NYC. Then they can smoke in their own homes to their hearts content and rot their own lungs and not other peoples.

 

Janey

 

Fortunately I am in the majority on this one. Most people hate cigarettesmoke, even if non-smokers don't all get a severe reaction to it. Why areyou sticking up for offensive prats? Are you one? I'd rather stick up forthe victims such as the children of smokers, who are abused by being forcedto breathe it.Lesley

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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You could refuse absolutely to go to anywhere where people will be smoking. I tend to these days. I don't compromise any more. It's only fair that you should have the right to avoid smoke! Or just move away in disgust when they do smoke. Is this as the Mayoress that you are forced to go to these functions? At least you have the right to complain politely!

 

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I was at a function this morning and this old guy next to me lit up the most lethal smelling cigar ever and it wafted into my face and honest to god I could hardly breathe. It's such a stinking anti-social habit. Urgh!

 

Janey

 

Appalling, and there is also the fact that it most likely drifts out of theroom, I would bet you can't walk past without getting a huge lungful, soallowing it indoors would be affecting other patients and staff. Thesepeople should be allowed to die with some dignity and helping them to diequicker by helping them to remain as addicts is surely no dignity at all.I'd call that assisted suicide.A few might get better if they were not smoking, the doctors are not alwaysright about cancer being incurable.Lesley

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I don't smoke & have never smoked but I also stick up for these people you

are calling offensive prats. I don't call them that, tho there are some on

these lists I would. And it makes me feel so much better that you're

sticking up for me as an ex-child of a smoker.

 

Viv

 

 

 

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Fortunately I am in the majority on this one. Most people hate cigarette

smoke, even if non-smokers don't all get a severe reaction to it. Why are

you sticking up for offensive prats? Are you one? I'd rather stick up for

the victims such as the children of smokers, who are abused by being forced

to breathe it.

 

Lesley

 

 

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> So why give smoking areas, when they could

> just ban it on hospital grounds altogether.

 

They could. But then they'd have a clump of smokers at the entrance.

 

> We have to get tough on them.

 

No *we* don't. You may want to, but don't try and speak for everyone else.

 

Steve

 

 

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Leslie would just let smokers DIE IN PAIN. She thinks they DESERVE that.

Just what you expect from a friend of a fascist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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>Fortunately I am in the majority on this one. Most people hate cigarette

>smoke, even if non-smokers don't all get a severe reaction to it. Why are

>you sticking up for offensive prats? Are you one? I'd rather stick up for

>the victims such as the children of smokers, who are abused by being forced

>to breathe it.

>

>Lesley

>

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>Steve Welburn []

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> > So why give smoking areas, when they could

> > just ban it on hospital grounds altogether.

>

>They could. But then they'd have a clump of smokers at the entrance.

>

> > We have to get tough on them.

>

>No *we* don't. You may want to, but don't try and speak for everyone else.

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>I doubt there would be many asking for a cigarette as a last request before

>be shot or hanged, etc .

>

>Simon

 

 

Oh really Doctor?

 

Please point me to this interesting research into the last moments of the

condemned where smokers refused...

 

Also, I think you meant " before being shot " ...

 

Ok, I'm not welcome in the House of Low Ability...

 

Sorry!

 

 

 

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> Even condemned criminals get last cigerette I thought!>

 

Show me an instant when a condemned to death person asks for a cigarette as

a last request???

 

PS I think you ment...Even condemned criminals get a last cigarette.

>

> >At st geoges hospital in Tooting they have a smoking room for the

incurable

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that

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> >I doubt there would be many asking for a cigarette as a last request

before

> >being shot or hanged, etc .

> >

> >Simon

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> Oh really Doctor?

>

> Please point me to this interesting research into the last moments of the

> condemned where smokers refused...>

 

Ask smokers on this list or any smoker if they were condemned to death and

had about ten minutes to live what would be their last request.

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> Ask smokers on this list or any smoker if they were condemned to

death and

> had about ten minutes to live what would be their last request.

 

 

TWO cigarettes. I'd get through them both, too.

 

And I haven't smoked for over seven years.

 

I've always said that if the dread news comes then I'll take up

smoking again. And cannabis. I'd probably eat too much, too. Might

as well go out happy!

 

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> , " >

 

 

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> TWO cigarettes. I'd get through them both, too.

>

> And I haven't smoked for over seven years

 

Cathy>

 

I gave up smoking about 12 yrs ago and it wouldn't be something I would

want any more, cannabis in a smokless form, not sure about as I've not had

it that way before.

In a last request I would protest innocence & promote veganism.

 

Simon

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I do not want anyone to die in pain, I would however prioritise the innocent victims of second-hand smoke for NHS help over those whose illness is self-inflicted.

 

I'm not a friend of any alleged fascist or ex-fascist, we were merely acquaintances on email. I have not had any contact with the person we both know you are referring to for almost two years, and I have no wish or reason to contact this person. Drop it Edith. If someone ate meat a year or two ago, would you keep on about it now and call them still a murderer? I doubt it.

 

I hope Michael when he returns will take action over some of your comments as it's going over old ground and this is his nice list!

 

Lesley

 

 

slg edith [slgedith]05 April 2003 22:18 Subject: RE: Smoking debate via other thoughtsLeslie would just let smokers DIE IN PAIN. She thinks they DESERVE that. Just what you expect from a friend of a fascist.>"Lesley Dove" <Lesley> >>RE: Smoking debate via other thoughts>Sat, 5 Apr 2003 14:53:01 +0100>>Fortunately I am in the majority on this one. Most people hate cigarette>smoke, even if non-smokers don't all get a severe reaction to it. Why are>you sticking up for offensive prats? Are you one? I'd rather stick up for>the victims such as the children of smokers, who are abused by being forced>to breathe it.>>Lesley>>>Steve Welburn []>05 April 2003 14:55> >RE: Smoking debate via other thoughts>>> > So why give smoking areas, when they could> > just ban it on hospital grounds altogether.>>They could. But then they'd have a clump of smokers at the entrance.>> > We have to get tough on them.>>No *we* don't. You may want to, but don't try and speak for everyone else.>>Steve>>>~~ info ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>Please remember that the above is only the opinion of the author,>there may be another side to the story you have not heard.>--------------------------->Was this message Off Topic? Did you know? Was it snipped?>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>Guidelines: visit <site temporarily offline>>Un: send a blank message to - >>

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Cathyboots!

 

Love it!

 

I knew we soon be best friends again just like before!

 

Your Edith

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> > Ask smokers on this list or any smoker if they were condemned to

>death and

> > had about ten minutes to live what would be their last request.

>

>

>TWO cigarettes. I'd get through them both, too.

>

>And I haven't smoked for over seven years.

>

>I've always said that if the dread news comes then I'll take up

>smoking again. And cannabis. I'd probably eat too much, too. Might

>as well go out happy!

>

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>I hope Michael when he returns will take action over some of your comments

>Lesley

 

Leslie just wants me banned so she can tell lies without being contradicted

even though I defended her from a life-time ban on the *other* list...

 

That is Leslie, who passed on personal details of a vegan anti-fascist on

this list to a notorious *former* fascist and now she is trying to justify

herself!

 

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