my physics teacher

[Guest guest]

Concerning the incident with my physics teacher, I wasn't using the

fact that I'm vegan to hide the fact that I was drugged. It was he

who saw me as ill and who assumed it was because i'm vegan. He asked

if I was on a macrobiotic diet, I said no and explained that

veganism doesn't make one go wierd, my wierd behaviour was because

of other things. He asked what I was 'on', I said I was 'on' a chair

(as in sitting on), which was the unadulterated truth, especially in

Physics where gravity etc are common topics of conversation. He said

i should go and get a burger and eat some 'proper food'. Cause I was

stoned I couldn't be arsed for another ethics debate and left it at

that.

 

I feel I give veganism a bad name because I am the only one in my

college and to my fellow students am the only one they know. Yet I

have drug behavioural, and attitude problems so to many small minded

judgemantal people there veganism must look like a crazy way to go.

 

College is different to a prison because I choose to go there and I

can leave when I want. Yet I spend a lot of time there (for

education, not to attract girls) so inevitably mix a lot more with

the average omnivore than I'd like to.

 

J

 

 

, Oliver Slay <oliver@l...> wrote:

> > > then he justifies this 'looking ill' to anyone he feels in

> > authority by

> > > blaming it on his own diet...

> >

> > What a load of crap.

>

> fair enough... i don't know you... i just read what you write...

> " To be fair to my physics teacher, I think he was genuinely

worried

> about me. I'd turned up to the first physics lesson completrely

> drugged out of my head, and had to hide it because its illegal, he

> thought it was because of my food, and this was a severe blow to

me

> because the whole class was listening and I was giving veganism a

bad

> name. "

>

> to be fair to the physics teacher... he was duped...

>

> to be fair on you... you were scared...

>

> > Its difficult being the only vegan in my college, sorry I can't

be

> > perfect as well.

>

> is this a small college?

>

> yes.. it's hard being the only vegan within a prison... but the

prison is

> not the world... and there are more vegans outside of your college

than

> there are students in your college...

>

> if it makes you feel any better - i think being imperfect is

perfect..

>

> " if you are sensitive to evreything then you will suffer more than

someone

> who is insensitive to everything "

>

> z

[Guest guest]

it's easier to understand with more of the picture...

 

if you went there for education ... it's probably best to make a big

fuss about a teacher who obviously cannot educate... to educate is

to help you how to think... not to tell you what to think...

 

it's a prison in a metaphorical way... because for some people they

cannot see beyond the walls...

 

, " djules_75 " <djules_75> wrote:

> Concerning the incident with my physics teacher, I wasn't using

the

> fact that I'm vegan to hide the fact that I was drugged. It was he

> who saw me as ill and who assumed it was because i'm vegan. He

asked

><snip>

> i should go and get a burger and eat some 'proper food'. Cause I

was <snip>

>

><snip>

> college and to my fellow students am the only one they know. Yet I

> have drug behavioural, and attitude problems so to many small

minded

> judgemantal people there veganism must look like a crazy way to go.

>

> College is different to a prison because I choose to go there and

I

> can leave when I want. Yet I spend a lot of time there (for

> education, not to attract girls) so inevitably mix a lot more with

> the average omnivore than I'd like to.

>

> J

>

>

> , Oliver Slay <oliver@l...> wrote:

> > > > then he justifies this 'looking ill' to anyone he feels in

> > > authority by

> > > > blaming it on his own diet...

> > >

> > > What a load of crap.

> >

> > fair enough... i don't know you... i just read what you write...

> > " To be fair to my physics teacher, I think he was genuinely

> worried

> > about me. I'd turned up to the first physics lesson completrely

> > drugged out of my head, and had to hide it because its illegal,

he

> > thought it was because of my food, and this was a severe blow to

> me

> > because the whole class was listening and I was giving veganism

a

> bad

> > name. "

> >

> > to be fair to the physics teacher... he was duped...

> >

> > to be fair on you... you were scared...

> >

> > > Its difficult being the only vegan in my college, sorry I

can't

> be

> > > perfect as well.

> >

> > is this a small college?

> >

> > yes.. it's hard being the only vegan within a prison... but the

> prison is

> > not the world... and there are more vegans outside of your

college

> than

> > there are students in your college...

> >

> > if it makes you feel any better - i think being imperfect is

> perfect..

> >

> > " if you are sensitive to evreything then you will suffer more

than

> someone

> > who is insensitive to everything "

> >

> > z

[Guest guest]

I get the impression that you enjoy being

weird

When someone is bothering to enquire

as to why you are ill (it’s a safer assumption to assume you are not

eating adequately than to suggest that you are doing drugs.) why not give a

polite answer? !!

When he suggested you were on drugs

why didn’t you just say no if you didn’t want to admit it . Your

response (chair ) was rather rude and If I was your teacher I wouldn’t

bother to offer advice again IMO you were rude

and your teacher isn’t paid to put up with rudeness! . he

only has to teach physics.

He might be an animal eater but no

one should be treated in such a manner------- unless you are one a demo or

having a blazing row with someone who is defending cruelty

 

I hope he doesn’t assume all vegans

like you ! Please consider the feelings of others and if

necessary apologise . You never know when you may need his help !!!!! Angie

 

 

 

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djules_75

[djules_75]

22

April 2002 23:19

 

Re: my physics

teacher

 

Concerning the incident with

my physics teacher, I wasn't using the

fact that I'm vegan to hide the fact that I was

drugged. It was he

who saw me as ill and who assumed it was because

i'm vegan. He asked

if I was on a macrobiotic diet, I said no and

explained that

veganism doesn't make one go wierd, my wierd

behaviour was because

of other things. He asked what I was 'on', I said

I was 'on' a chair

(as in sitting on), which was the unadulterated

truth, especially in

Physics where gravity etc are common topics of

conversation. He said

i should go and get a burger and eat some 'proper

food'. Cause I was

stoned I couldn't be arsed for another ethics

debate and left it at

that.

 

J

 

 

, Oliver Slay

<oliver@l...> wrote:

> > > then he justifies this 'looking

ill' to anyone he feels in

> > authority by

> > > blaming it on his own diet...

> >

> > What a load of crap.

>

> fair enough... i don't know you... i

just read what you write...

> " To be

fair to my physics teacher, I think he was genuinely

worried

> about me. I'd turned up to the first physics

lesson completrely

> drugged out of my head, and had to hide it

because its illegal, he

> thought it was because of my food, and this

was a severe blow to

me

> because the whole class was listening and I

was giving veganism a

bad

> name. "

>

> to be fair to the physics teacher... he was

duped...

>

> to be fair on you... you were scared...

>

> > Its difficult being the only vegan in my

college, sorry I can't

be

> > perfect as well.

>

> is this a small college?

>

> yes.. it's hard being the only vegan within a

prison... but the

prison is

> not the world... and there are more vegans

outside of your college

than

> there are students in your college...

>

> if it makes you feel any better - i think

being imperfect is

perfect..

>

> " if you are sensitive to evreything then

you will suffer more than

someone

> who is insensitive to everything "

>

> z

 

 

 

 

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I spoke to him today, apparantly he used to do drugs sometrimes as a

teen, he told me of all the people who were at his uni in the sixties

who got messed up on drugs. And we both agreed I was in the wrong.

I'm not going to college when not in my right mind again.

I don't think it was being rude (saying I'm on a chair), why was that

rude? I couldn't exactly say, sorry, I'm am not at present capable of

coherent speech because I am on illegal drugs, there were other

people in the class as well, and the penalty for possession is

expulsion from college, possibly a prison sentence. I just wanted to

be left alone at the time, I wasn't in control of my own actions, I

felt stupid anyway.

I was polite when he asked if I was ill, but when he asked what I was

on, I had to hide it, if only because of the laws of the country.

Anyway I've recked many of my brain cells, I'm not going to be

smoking pot again in a while.

 

Jules

 

, " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote:

> I get the impression that you enjoy being weird

>

> When someone is bothering to enquire as to why you are ill (it's a

> safer assumption to assume you are not eating adequately than to

suggest

> that you are doing drugs.) why not give a polite answer? !!

>

> When he suggested you were on drugs why didn't you just say no if

you

> didn't want to admit it . Your response (chair ) was rather rude

and If

> I was your teacher I wouldn't bother to offer advice again IMO

you

> were rude and your teacher isn't paid to put up with rudeness! .

he

> only has to teach physics.

>

> He might be an animal eater but no one should be treated in such a

> manner------- unless you are one a demo or having a blazing row with

> someone who is defending cruelty

>

>

>

> I hope he doesn't assume all vegans like you ! Please consider

the

> feelings of others and if necessary apologise . You never know when

you

> may need his help !!!!! Angie

[Guest guest]

I'm very anti-drugs as you know, but I do feel that expulsion would be

unfair for a first offence, because someone with a drug problem should first

be offered help before they should be punished, especially if they have a

parent who is a drug abuser, who has set a bad example and started the young

person off with a disadvantage, by not giving a proper example (dealing is

another matter and should be dealt with with the full weight of the law). I

would think being expelled would be likely to make the young person more

likely to continue to do drugs!

 

Seems to me that the importance of a good parental role model cannot be

overstated.

Kids whose parents smoke are more likely to smoke than the kids of

non-smokers, so it's probably the same with cannabis and illegal drugs. Kids

are more influenced by their parents than by their peers in the long run,

even if they go through phases of being influenced by peer pressure, the

parental influence is generally very strong indeed and it takes a lot of

strength to overcome it.

I'm very unlike my mum in some ways, but occasionally catch myself saying

something and thinking my mum used to say that!

You are aware that pot is wrecking your brain, please don't just say " not

for a while " , just say " Never again " and mean it!

Stay drug-free and you will show a better example of how a vegan can be!

 

Lesley

 

 

 

djules_75 [djules_75]

23 April 2002 21:39

 

Re: my physics teacher

 

 

I spoke to him today, apparantly he used to do drugs sometrimes as a

teen, he told me of all the people who were at his uni in the sixties

who got messed up on drugs. And we both agreed I was in the wrong.

I'm not going to college when not in my right mind again.

I don't think it was being rude (saying I'm on a chair), why was that

rude? I couldn't exactly say, sorry, I'm am not at present capable of

coherent speech because I am on illegal drugs, there were other

people in the class as well, and the penalty for possession is

expulsion from college, possibly a prison sentence. I just wanted to

be left alone at the time, I wasn't in control of my own actions, I

felt stupid anyway.

I was polite when he asked if I was ill, but when he asked what I was

on, I had to hide it, if only because of the laws of the country.

Anyway I've recked many of my brain cells, I'm not going to be

smoking pot again in a while.

 

Jules

 

, " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote:

> I get the impression that you enjoy being weird

>

> When someone is bothering to enquire as to why you are ill (it's a

> safer assumption to assume you are not eating adequately than to

suggest

> that you are doing drugs.) why not give a polite answer? !!

>

> When he suggested you were on drugs why didn't you just say no if

you

> didn't want to admit it . Your response (chair ) was rather rude

and If

> I was your teacher I wouldn't bother to offer advice again IMO

you

> were rude and your teacher isn't paid to put up with rudeness! .

he

> only has to teach physics.

>

> He might be an animal eater but no one should be treated in such a

> manner------- unless you are one a demo or having a blazing row with

> someone who is defending cruelty

>

>

>

> I hope he doesn't assume all vegans like you ! Please consider

the

> feelings of others and if necessary apologise . You never know when

you

> may need his help !!!!! Angie

 

 

 

 

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Well they say: " never say never " . My real problem is tobacco, and

thats legal!

 

, " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote:

>

> I'm very anti-drugs as you know, but I do feel that expulsion would

be

> unfair for a first offence, because someone with a drug problem

should first

> be offered help before they should be punished, especially if they

have a

> parent who is a drug abuser, who has set a bad example and started

the young

> person off with a disadvantage, by not giving a proper example

(dealing is

> another matter and should be dealt with with the full weight of the

law). I

> would think being expelled would be likely to make the young person

more

> likely to continue to do drugs!

>

> Seems to me that the importance of a good parental role model

cannot be

> overstated.

> Kids whose parents smoke are more likely to smoke than the kids of

> non-smokers, so it's probably the same with cannabis and illegal

drugs. Kids

> are more influenced by their parents than by their peers in the

long run,

> even if they go through phases of being influenced by peer

pressure, the

> parental influence is generally very strong indeed and it takes a

lot of

> strength to overcome it.

> I'm very unlike my mum in some ways, but occasionally catch myself

saying

> something and thinking my mum used to say that!

> You are aware that pot is wrecking your brain, please don't just

say " not

> for a while " , just say " Never again " and mean it!

> Stay drug-free and you will show a better example of how a vegan

can be!

>

> Lesley

>

[Guest guest]

Apparently is is one of the most addictive drugs there is, for those who

like it. More so than a lot of the illegal drugs, so it does not make sense

to me that it is legal since it is supposed to be addictive for a lot of

people, and you seem to be one of those unfortunate people.

Fortunately I always really hated the smell of smoke anyway as well as

second hand smoke causing me catarrh and severe breathing trouble, but that

is just my body's natural defences, reacting to something that is bad! I was

always violently sick from the smallest whiff of second hand smoke when I

was pregnant, but to me that seems completely natural for my body to do

this, nature's way of making me keep away from something that would harm the

baby as well as myself.

 

Lesley

 

 

 

djules_75 [djules_75]

23 April 2002 22:37

 

Re: my physics teacher

 

 

Well they say: " never say never " . My real problem is tobacco, and

thats legal!

 

, " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote:

>

> I'm very anti-drugs as you know, but I do feel that expulsion would

be

> unfair for a first offence, because someone with a drug problem

should first

> be offered help before they should be punished, especially if they

have a

> parent who is a drug abuser, who has set a bad example and started

the young

> person off with a disadvantage, by not giving a proper example

(dealing is

> another matter and should be dealt with with the full weight of the

law). I

> would think being expelled would be likely to make the young person

more

> likely to continue to do drugs!

>

> Seems to me that the importance of a good parental role model

cannot be

> overstated.

> Kids whose parents smoke are more likely to smoke than the kids of

> non-smokers, so it's probably the same with cannabis and illegal

drugs. Kids

> are more influenced by their parents than by their peers in the

long run,

> even if they go through phases of being influenced by peer

pressure, the

> parental influence is generally very strong indeed and it takes a

lot of

> strength to overcome it.

> I'm very unlike my mum in some ways, but occasionally catch myself

saying

> something and thinking my mum used to say that!

> You are aware that pot is wrecking your brain, please don't just

say " not

> for a while " , just say " Never again " and mean it!

> Stay drug-free and you will show a better example of how a vegan

can be!

>

> Lesley

>

 

 

 

 

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> He might be an animal eater but no one should be treated in such a manner

 

<gasp> I never thought I'd see the day where Angie defends a meat

eater. My whole world has been destroyed.

 

Michael

[Guest guest]

>I get the impression that you enjoy being weird

 

I must admit I enjoy being weird, at least for the sake of it.

 

I don't really know what to make of Jules though, to some extent I

recognize a certain type of person in him from experience of

mood/personality disorder communities.

 

Michael

[Guest guest]

Nicotine is indeed one of the most dangerously

addictive drugs in production. I have been trying to

quit for ages, yielding no results. It just seems to

calm my wracked nerves when nothing else does. Also, I

just split up with my girlfriend and I'm chainsmoking

way too much. Plus, rather sadly, it fits in with my

beatnik image. Duh.

 

--- Lesley Dove <Lesley wrote: >

> Apparently is is one of the most addictive drugs

> there is, for those who

> like it. More so than a lot of the illegal drugs, so

> it does not make sense

> to me that it is legal since it is supposed to be

> addictive for a lot of

> people, and you seem to be one of those unfortunate

> people.

> Fortunately I always really hated the smell of smoke

> anyway as well as

> second hand smoke causing me catarrh and severe

> breathing trouble, but that

> is just my body's natural defences, reacting to

> something that is bad! I was

> always violently sick from the smallest whiff of

> second hand smoke when I

> was pregnant, but to me that seems completely

> natural for my body to do

> this, nature's way of making me keep away from

> something that would harm the

> baby as well as myself.

>

> Lesley

>

>

>

> djules_75 [djules_75]

> 23 April 2002 22:37

>

> Re: my physics teacher

>

>

> Well they say: " never say never " . My real problem is

> tobacco, and

> thats legal!

>

> , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...>

> wrote:

> >

> > I'm very anti-drugs as you know, but I do feel

> that expulsion would

> be

> > unfair for a first offence, because someone with a

> drug problem

> should first

> > be offered help before they should be punished,

> especially if they

> have a

> > parent who is a drug abuser, who has set a bad

> example and started

> the young

> > person off with a disadvantage, by not giving a

> proper example

> (dealing is

> > another matter and should be dealt with with the

> full weight of the

> law). I

> > would think being expelled would be likely to make

> the young person

> more

> > likely to continue to do drugs!

> >

> > Seems to me that the importance of a good parental

> role model

> cannot be

> > overstated.

> > Kids whose parents smoke are more likely to smoke

> than the kids of

> > non-smokers, so it's probably the same with

> cannabis and illegal

> drugs. Kids

> > are more influenced by their parents than by their

> peers in the

> long run,

> > even if they go through phases of being influenced

> by peer

> pressure, the

> > parental influence is generally very strong indeed

> and it takes a

> lot of

> > strength to overcome it.

> > I'm very unlike my mum in some ways, but

> occasionally catch myself

> saying

> > something and thinking my mum used to say that!

> > You are aware that pot is wrecking your brain,

> please don't just

> say " not

> > for a while " , just say " Never again " and mean it!

> > Stay drug-free and you will show a better example

> of how a vegan

> can be!

> >

> > Lesley

> >

>

>

>

>

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Well even animal eaters have to be treated

nicely to get them to listen to us . If they reject what we say or laugh at us over

veganism then it can be no holds barred !!!!!

But I think the teacher was actually

trying to help which is outside his job specifications ,so needs to be

appreciated for that .!!!!!.

 

I know what its like teaching awkward pupils,who

always want to learn something else,and argue about it which wastes everyones

time !!!!!

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Mavreela

[nec.lists]

23 April 2002 23:10

 

RE: Re: my

physics teacher

 

 

> He might be an animal eater but no one

should be treated in such a manner

 

<gasp> I never thought I'd see the day where

Angie defends a meat

eater. My whole world has been destroyed.

 

Michael

 

 

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Are you a teacher?

 

j

, " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote:

> Well even animal eaters have to be treated nicely to get them to

listen

> to us . If they reject what we say or laugh at us over veganism

then it

> can be no holds barred !!!!!

>

> But I think the teacher was actually trying to help which is

outside his

> job specifications ,so needs to be appreciated for that .!!!!!.

>

>

>

> I know what its like teaching awkward pupils,who always want to

learn

> something else,and argue about it which wastes everyones time !!!!!

>

>

>

> Angie

>

>

>

>

> Mavreela [nec.lists@m...]

> 23 April 2002 23:10

>

> RE: Re: my physics teacher

>

>

>

>

> > He might be an animal eater but no one should be treated in such

a

> manner

>

> <gasp> I never thought I'd see the day where Angie defends a meat

> eater. My whole world has been destroyed.

>

> Michael

>

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I should think that eating animals and not caring how they suffered and died

should really come under the definition of psychopath.

So if anyone has a personality disorder it is the animal-eaters, not Jules,

although our sick and twisted society refuses to see it that way.

 

I'm not saying a vegan cannot have a personality disorder, but compared to

meat-eaters it is negligible, at least we have a conscience and understand

right from wrong better than they do.

We have to live in a world with most people being effectively little

different from psychopaths in their attitudes, so no wonder some vegans end

up having personality disorders!

 

I've never gone out of my way to look weird, but if you do and are not

harming anyone, I don't see why anyone has a big problem with it. I can't

personally stand tattoos and piercings, and never had any desire to be a

goth or punk, etc, but each to their own.

 

Lesley

 

 

 

Mavreela [nec.lists]

23 April 2002 23:16

 

RE: Re: my physics teacher

 

 

 

>I get the impression that you enjoy being weird

 

I must admit I enjoy being weird, at least for the sake of it.

 

I don't really know what to make of Jules though, to some extent I

recognize a certain type of person in him from experience of

mood/personality disorder communities.

 

Michael

 

 

 

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Most cigarettes are not vegan anyway. The first awakenings of my awareness

of animal abuse was the ICI smoking beagles campaign when I was still in

junior school, so for me it seems very hypocritical for anti-vivisectionists

and ethical vegans to smoke. I was aware of the link between smoking and

animal abuse from an early age, even before I stopped eating meat, so I was

pretty much always against smoking for ethical as well as health reasons. I

guess most of the vegans who smoke started before they got their ethical

values though.

I don't even know what could be pleasant about breathing in dirty smoke and

all the muck that is in it, it simply isn't pleasant, just dirty and smelly,

makes me sick, we humans definitely don't all have the same physiology with

regard to our reactions to tobacco smoke, so how ICI thought they could

learn anything about people from forcing beagles to smoke I will never

understand.

I would just like the smokers to keep it to themselves, my life is limited

so much by having to avoid certain places because of it. Even though Harrow

bus station has no smoking signs up, lots of people still smoke in there

because there is no by-law banning it so they cannot be prosecuted. The

officials won't even go up and tell the smokers to go outside, so those who

object to it have to go outside and that is not fair when it is cold. I was

really ill and hospitalised overnight once because I got some severe

breathing problems after exposure to someone's smoke, this was when I was

pregnant and was very sensitive. What I ask of smokers is that they need to

respect the right to clean air for the rest of us.

There is a vegan hypnotherapist in London Vegans who specialises in helping

people to quit smoking, maybe you could find a hypnotherapist closer to you

(probably wouldn't be a vegan though).

Sorry to hear about your girlfriend, but I have to break it to you that you

won't be likely to attract a nice new girlfriend while stinking like an old

ashtray.

I hope you aren't one of those rude smokers who does not care who you

inflict it upon.

 

Auntie Lesley - telling it like it is

 

 

 

Mark Salisbury [yow52]

23 April 2002 23:23

 

RE: Re: my physics teacher

 

 

Nicotine is indeed one of the most dangerously

addictive drugs in production. I have been trying to

quit for ages, yielding no results. It just seems to

calm my wracked nerves when nothing else does. Also, I

just split up with my girlfriend and I'm chainsmoking

way too much. Plus, rather sadly, it fits in with my

beatnik image. Duh.

 

--- Lesley Dove <Lesley wrote: >

> Apparently is is one of the most addictive drugs

> there is, for those who

> like it. More so than a lot of the illegal drugs, so

> it does not make sense

> to me that it is legal since it is supposed to be

> addictive for a lot of

> people, and you seem to be one of those unfortunate

> people.

> Fortunately I always really hated the smell of smoke

> anyway as well as

> second hand smoke causing me catarrh and severe

> breathing trouble, but that

> is just my body's natural defences, reacting to

> something that is bad! I was

> always violently sick from the smallest whiff of

> second hand smoke when I

> was pregnant, but to me that seems completely

> natural for my body to do

> this, nature's way of making me keep away from

> something that would harm the

> baby as well as myself.

>

> Lesley

>

>

>

> djules_75 [djules_75]

> 23 April 2002 22:37

>

> Re: my physics teacher

>

>

> Well they say: " never say never " . My real problem is

> tobacco, and

> thats legal!

>

> , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...>

> wrote:

> >

> > I'm very anti-drugs as you know, but I do feel

> that expulsion would

> be

> > unfair for a first offence, because someone with a

> drug problem

> should first

> > be offered help before they should be punished,

> especially if they

> have a

> > parent who is a drug abuser, who has set a bad

> example and started

> the young

> > person off with a disadvantage, by not giving a

> proper example

> (dealing is

> > another matter and should be dealt with with the

> full weight of the

> law). I

> > would think being expelled would be likely to make

> the young person

> more

> > likely to continue to do drugs!

> >

> > Seems to me that the importance of a good parental

> role model

> cannot be

> > overstated.

> > Kids whose parents smoke are more likely to smoke

> than the kids of

> > non-smokers, so it's probably the same with

> cannabis and illegal

> drugs. Kids

> > are more influenced by their parents than by their

> peers in the

> long run,

> > even if they go through phases of being influenced

> by peer

> pressure, the

> > parental influence is generally very strong indeed

> and it takes a

> lot of

> > strength to overcome it.

> > I'm very unlike my mum in some ways, but

> occasionally catch myself

> saying

> > something and thinking my mum used to say that!

> > You are aware that pot is wrecking your brain,

> please don't just

> say " not

> > for a while " , just say " Never again " and mean it!

> > Stay drug-free and you will show a better example

> of how a vegan

> can be!

> >

> > Lesley

> >

>

>

>

>

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>I should think that eating animals and not caring how they suffered and died

>should really come under the definition of psychopath.

 

Goodness me, you have such a low opinion of people with mental

illnesses? I take great offense that you consider me a psychopath because

I also happen to be classed within certain types of mental illness.

 

>So if anyone has a personality disorder it is the animal-eaters, not Jules,

>although our sick and twisted society refuses to see it that way.

 

Do you even know what a personality disorder is?

 

>We have to live in a world with most people being effectively little

>different from psychopaths in their attitudes, so no wonder some vegans end

>up having personality disorders!

 

I will take that as being a definitive no to my question.

 

Michael the psychopath, apparently

[Guest guest]

No, no, no, no no, I was certainly not equating you to a psychopath, nothing

could be further from the truth, please Michael don't misunderstand me. I

was saying that most animal-eaters must be psychopaths, so whatever mental

illness you or Jules have at least it does not make you bad people or

anywhere near as disordered or wrong as animal eaters.

OK, what do you mean by a personality disorder? Maybe I am misunderstanding

something. I'm quite happy to be helped to understand this better. I

certainly do not think all mentally ill people are psychopaths or dangerous.

I am so sorry I upset you. I thought you knew I had a very high opinion of

you, you come across as one of the most fair-minded people I've known

actually, and I have always found you a fair moderator.

Good job MrBig/Talking isn't still on this group or he would be making some

unpleasant comment about children's confectionery as endorsed by Kojak at

this point!

 

Lesley

 

 

 

Mavreela [nec.lists]

24 April 2002 11:57

 

RE: Re: my physics teacher

 

 

 

>I should think that eating animals and not caring how they suffered and

died

>should really come under the definition of psychopath.

 

Goodness me, you have such a low opinion of people with mental

illnesses? I take great offense that you consider me a psychopath because

I also happen to be classed within certain types of mental illness.

 

>So if anyone has a personality disorder it is the animal-eaters, not Jules,

>although our sick and twisted society refuses to see it that way.

 

Do you even know what a personality disorder is?

 

>We have to live in a world with most people being effectively little

>different from psychopaths in their attitudes, so no wonder some vegans end

>up having personality disorders!

 

I will take that as being a definitive no to my question.

 

Michael the psychopath, apparently

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Sorry, i said that i wasn't going be giving my opinions anymore, but

this one's something that really pisses me off. Scientists define

people as being mentally ill when often they are just victims of

society, they are driven to madness because they don't fit in, no one

listens to them, they are independant characters. A bloke i know used

to smoke pot and smoke cigarettes, and he moved to brighton and

decided to give them up. He changed his lifestyle completely (even

went vegan, except for fish, a " fish 'n chipocrite " , I called him, as

a joke). He then went and did things that he wanted to do, like walk

around barefoot, swim in the sea, do crazy things, but all because he

wanted to get back to his anthropoid roots, why not? He ended up

getting arrested for walking barefoot because the cops thought he was

a tramp and was loitering. Then somehow he got put in a mental

hospital and they gave him some really strong scientific drug which

was supposed to cure him of his 'madness'. He's gone back to live

with his mother and he's a vegetable, he doesn't care about anything,

he's back on the cigarettes, he used to do art and he doesn't want to

paint anymore. I go round to his house and he just sits and says

nothing, listening to the same Tracy Chapman record over and over

again. His mum's dead worried, I've round to his house to try and

help, his 'madness' is infectious and poor old veganUK gets the shit.

 

I say this bloke I'm talking about is a victim of society, but he's

classed as mentally ill by dictionaries scientists and control

assholes who think there is a particular way that people should live.

If things were different, there would still be hunter gatherer

societies about, (I wouldn't have a problem with them hunting and

killing animals for food, its better than herding Yuppies into

Mcdonalds), and he wouldn't be drugged out of his head by some money

grabbing scientist. And instead of hunter gatherer societies we have

the Lords and Ladies from Snobland breeding dogs to go hunt foxes in

private land that they own because of their 'birthright' and it gets

mentioned in Parliament, and becomes relevant to animals rights. So

this isn't OT.

 

Yeah I'm frustrated. Yeah what I write is frustrating. Fuckit.

 

Jules

 

, " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote:

>

> No, no, no, no no, I was certainly not equating you to a

psychopath, nothing

> could be further from the truth, please Michael don't misunderstand

me. I

> was saying that most animal-eaters must be psychopaths, so whatever

mental

> illness you or Jules have at least it does not make you bad people

or

> anywhere near as disordered or wrong as animal eaters.

> OK, what do you mean by a personality disorder? Maybe I am

misunderstanding

> something. I'm quite happy to be helped to understand this better. I

> certainly do not think all mentally ill people are psychopaths or

dangerous.

> I am so sorry I upset you. I thought you knew I had a very high

opinion of

> you, you come across as one of the most fair-minded people I've

known

> actually, and I have always found you a fair moderator.

> Good job MrBig/Talking isn't still on this group or he would be

making some

> unpleasant comment about children's confectionery as endorsed by

Kojak at

> this point!

>

> Lesley

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i gave up taking mind altering substances a year or so ago ... more than

just pot... was bloody easy to give it all up ...

 

but smoking... yeah right... it's worse than all the others in its own way

....

 

i agree... never say never... i'm not against drugs... i'm not against

myself having any drugs forever more... i just don't want them.... i love

SOBRIETY... there's no drug like it...

 

>

> djules_75 [djules_75]

>

> Well they say: " never say never " . My real problem is tobacco, and

> thats legal!

>

> , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote:

> >

> > I'm very anti-drugs as you know, but I do feel that expulsion would

> be

> > unfair for a first offence, because someone with a drug problem

> should first

[Guest guest]

well first you need to know the difference between someone who takes drugs

.... and someone who has a drug problem...

 

if someone offers me a smoke and we sit around for an evening ... and it's

the only time i've done it in 12 months... is that a problem?...

 

my parents never touched a drug in their life ... my mother said she never

needed it...

 

>

> Lesley Dove [Lesley]

>

> illegal drugs. Kids

> are more influenced by their parents than by their peers in

> the long run,

> even if they go through phases of being influenced by peer

> pressure, the

> parental influence is generally very strong indeed and it

> takes a lot of

> strength to overcome it.

[Guest guest]

are there really whole communities of mood/personality disorders...

crikey... is it called London?

 

i think Jules is just a little rash with his words... he wants to say

something but hasn't thought about what he is saying... when he finally

explains himself it comes across ok...

 

 

 

>

> Mavreela [nec.lists]

> Tuesday, April 23, 2002 11:16 PM

>

> RE: Re: my physics teacher

>

>

>

> >I get the impression that you enjoy being weird

>

> I must admit I enjoy being weird, at least for the sake of it.

>

> I don't really know what to make of Jules though, to some extent I

> recognize a certain type of person in him from experience of

> mood/personality disorder communities.

>

> Michael

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Most people who smoke tobacco certainly are addicts and do have a problem,

and it will kill about half of them, not sure about cannabis users, how many

are addicted, but Jules seems to have a problem. It seems to be causing him

some difficulty functioning from what he has said. Your example of cannabis

once a year I suppose would not be a problem, but it's probably a pretty

rare situation. Not everyone is that much in control.

 

Lesley

 

 

 

Oliver Slay [oliver]

24 April 2002 14:20

' '

RE: Re: my physics teacher

 

 

well first you need to know the difference between someone who takes drugs

.... and someone who has a drug problem...

 

if someone offers me a smoke and we sit around for an evening ... and it's

the only time i've done it in 12 months... is that a problem?...

 

my parents never touched a drug in their life ... my mother said she never

needed it...

 

>

> Lesley Dove [Lesley]

>

> illegal drugs. Kids

> are more influenced by their parents than by their peers in

> the long run,

> even if they go through phases of being influenced by peer

> pressure, the

> parental influence is generally very strong indeed and it

> takes a lot of

> strength to overcome it.

 

 

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[Guest guest]

why do they have to be vegan? ... does my dentist have to be vegan? ... and

my postman?... the shop keepers? ... and so on?

 

i went to one and stopped smoking easily for a couple of months ... first

time i tried it... but then i started to feel all the stress that my smoking

was giving me a break from ... and it became too much ... so i started

smoking again...

 

the hypnotherapist had not understood the underlying reasons for my smoking

... so it was never going to work for long...

 

i am now more aware of the stress i have... i have never berated myself for

smoking... there's no point... but i can now go back to a hypnotherapist

armed with more self-knowledge than i had the previous time... and maybe

this time it will last a little longer... and if i am smoking again in a 6

months time ... i will go again ... it will take a long time... because

tobacco can be a very hard drug to give up when you are really stressed...

but it can be done...

 

it costs about £100 or so for hypnotherapy ... there's a good one in

Cambridge... it takes an hour or so ... and it's effective in the short

term... it's not expensive considering you might save that amount over a

three month period of non-smoking...

 

 

> There is a vegan hypnotherapist in London Vegans who

> specialises in helping

> people to quit smoking, maybe you could find a hypnotherapist

> closer to you

> (probably wouldn't be a vegan though).

[Guest guest]

damn i'm fucked up ... shy obsessive in an unstable relationship...

 

>

> Mavreela [nec.lists]

>

> Mood disorders are those which involve episodes of depression

> or mania,

> these are well known, but these are often accompanied by personality

> disorders which as the name suggests affects the way a person

> interacts. An example would be extreme shyness (avoidant personality

> disorder), obsessive/compulsive behaviours, having instable

> relationships

> with others (borderline personality disorder). They are

> psychologically

> distinct from schizophrenic and psychotic disorders.

[Guest guest]

if i had one joint every weekend it wouldn't be a problem...

 

if i had one joint every other night it wouldn't be a problem...

 

if i smoked several joints and needed them... and my work suffered... and i

could not remember my name... then i have a problem ...

 

but true i wouldn't let it get that way ... i prefer sobriety...

 

>

> Lesley Dove [Lesley]

>

> Most people who smoke tobacco certainly are addicts and do

> have a problem,

> and it will kill about half of them, not sure about cannabis

> users, how many

> are addicted, but Jules seems to have a problem. It seems to

> be causing him

> some difficulty functioning from what he has said. Your

> example of cannabis

> once a year I suppose would not be a problem, but it's

> probably a pretty

> rare situation. Not everyone is that much in control.

>

> Lesley

[Guest guest]

, Oliver Slay <oliver@l...> wrote:

> are there really whole communities of mood/personality disorders...

> crikey... is it called London?

 

LOL yeah why not the entire human race throughout the entire human

history?

Its always been about one group of people thinking the others are

insane. Its only the ones who strove for power who are the 'respected'

ones, thats why the world is such a sh*thole now.

 

Jules