Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2004 Unless you want to buy your own water purification equipment, the best place you can get water is from Purified Water to Go. Here in the Seattle area they are located in Bellevue, Kirkland, Issaquah, and in the Greenwood area of Seattle (8624 3rd Avenue NW, Seattle, WA 98117 - (206) 706-6169). They have a proprietary 12-stage filtering system which gives you the purest water you can get. Each store is an independent franchise. I get a 100-gallon prepaid water card for 45.00 and get water in 5-gallon increments for drinking. It's also a good idea to buy a water filter for your shower also as your body absorbs chlorine from the water as you shower. Ron Koenig Bellevue RawSeattle , viola <Viola816> wrote: > > Hello raw vegetarians, do you drink any water? What is the best water here in Seattle area? I read that plastic bottles are all bad to store water because of some chemicals in plastic. But filtering water doesn't clean it from bacteria. > > The more raw fruits I eat, the less I want to drink, but for fasting I need good quality water. So what will be the best choice? > > > > Love and blessings to you, > > Viola > > > > > > Search - Find what you're looking for faster. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2004 Hi Viola, Here's some info on water. Firstly, bacteria are of no concern to you, or any human being, because they do not cause disease. They are present when and where disease is, because it is their job to clean up waste, which is the cause of all disease. So, don't worry about purifying water to rid it of bacteria. The main reason our water needs to be purified is because of what is put into it by our germ-phobic water management agencies. The chemicals that are added to water kill the cells in our bodies as surely as they kill bacteria. IMO, the best water available to us here in the Puget Sound area is that which flows from the Cascades. It is free, it is natural, it is perfectly purified by nature, and it tastes wonderful. Every couple months I go out past North Bend and find a good stream that flows directly from the snowbanks on the upper hills so that there is no possibility of agricultural run-off. I use the blue plastic jugs available at PCC which are purported to not leach or off-gas like regular plastic. Re minerals in water, we needn't concern ourselves with getting minerals from water because the minerals found in water are inorganic. Our bodies can only use organic minerals, like those in plants. Plants take inorganic minerals from the soil and convert them to a form we can use. The minerals in " mineral water " are of no use to us and must only be eliminated by the body. There are probably more minerals in stream water (a bad thing) but I reason that this is the kind of water we would most likely be drinking if we were living naturally. The best water, of course, is that which is contained in raw fruits and vegetables, and you will find that you'll need to drink less as you eat more fruits, etc. Hope this is helpful. Nora viola wrote: > Hello raw vegetarians, do you drink any water? What is the best water here in Seattle area? I read that plastic bottles are all bad to store water because of some chemicals in plastic. But filtering water doesn’t clean it from bacteria. > > The more raw fruits I eat, the less I want to drink, but for fasting I need good quality water. So what will be the best choice? > > > > Love and blessings to you, > > Viola > > > > Search - Find what you’re looking for faster. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2004 Viola, As is common, I agree with virtually everything Nora said. :-) Another place to get water I think is good, is from this famous Artesian well North of Seattle. Take I-5's exit #183, 164th St., and go West on 164th. Go downhill, and at the bottom of the hill on your right (North side of 164th), there it is, flowing out of a tap for the public. It tests clean, and people from all around come out there with all their jugs. One guy who lives only blocks away from it says he asked people where they come from, and some came from Oregon for this water. It's always seemed quite alright to me. That's where I get my water. But like others said, if you respond like we do (you probably will), after eating many fruits and veggies for quite a while, you'll notice a lot less thirst for plain water. The times you'll be the thirstiest are after eating dehydrated or complex meals. If the thirst comes after strenuous activity and you're in tune with your body's signals, I expect you'll feel more like drinking young coconut water, or eating juicy fruit--in other words, something with sweetness rather than bland H2O. It's been shown that the body is especially good at absorbing natural sugar within 30 minutes after exercise. When I get my water from this Artesian well source (which because of my low thirst levels, lasts me a long time), I use a 6.7-gallon glass jug that I got at a brewery place, to avoid the problem of plastic. Happy drinking! :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2004 >Every couple months I go out past North Bend >and find a good stream that flows directly from the snowbanks Does that mean that I shouldn't be collecting water from the river that flows from Lake Union??? (yuk!) Regarding shower water, Like Ron mentioned, it is a good idea (IMO) to get a de-chlorinating shower filter to convert the chlorine. If you happen to have spring water, that may not be an issue, But the skin does absorb chlorine, and the lungs inhale a great deal of chlorine vapors, which are harmful to the lung tissues. I use to get bronchitis after swiming in or bathing in chlorinated (unfiltered) water. My body was working so efficiently, it would create bronchitis symptoms to clear the chlorine out of my system (and probably to repair the damage!) People also report better feeling scalp and skin, as well as nicer hair. Such filters are available in PCC, and online from realgoods.com and other websites. Jeff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2004 I use a shower filter, which I just love. I am wondering...do many of you use filters on your faucets as well? ~Shawna Jeff Rogers [jeff] Thursday, March 04, 2004 5:29 PM RawSeattle Re: [RawSeattle] water >Every couple months I go out past North Bend >and find a good stream that flows directly from the snowbanks Does that mean that I shouldn't be collecting water from the river that flows from Lake Union??? (yuk!) Regarding shower water, Like Ron mentioned, it is a good idea (IMO) to get a de-chlorinating shower filter to convert the chlorine. If you happen to have spring water, that may not be an issue, But the skin does absorb chlorine, and the lungs inhale a great deal of chlorine vapors, which are harmful to the lung tissues. I use to get bronchitis after swiming in or bathing in chlorinated (unfiltered) water. My body was working so efficiently, it would create bronchitis symptoms to clear the chlorine out of my system (and probably to repair the damage!) People also report better feeling scalp and skin, as well as nicer hair. Such filters are available in PCC, and online from realgoods.com and other websites. Jeff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2004 We have a shower filter as well. Steve really notices the difference when he uses the bathtub (not very often), where we don't have a filter. I also notice the smell in the bathroom when I run water in the sink as opposed to the shower. It's a big difference. Sue I use a shower filter, which I just love. I am wondering...do many of you use filters on your faucets as well? ~Shawna Regarding shower water, Like Ron mentioned, it is a good idea (IMO) to get a de-chlorinating shower filter to convert the chlorine. If you happen to have spring water, that may not be an issue, But the skin does absorb chlorine, and the lungs inhale a great deal of chlorine vapors, which are harmful to the lung tissues. I use to get bronchitis after swiming in or bathing in chlorinated (unfiltered) water. My body was working so efficiently, it would create bronchitis symptoms to clear the chlorine out of my system (and probably to repair the damage!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 6, 2004 This artesian well is owned by the Alderwood Water District and they test it every couple of years and it is safe and with good mineral content. Janaki Rose - " ericscottfarris " <EricScottFarris <RawSeattle > Thursday, March 04, 2004 5:27 PM [RawSeattle] Re: water > Viola, > > As is common, I agree with virtually everything Nora said. :-) > > Another place to get water I think is good, is from this famous > Artesian well North of Seattle. Take I-5's exit #183, 164th St., and > go West on 164th. Go downhill, and at the bottom of the hill on your > right (North side of 164th), there it is, flowing out of a tap for > the public. It tests clean, and people from all around come out > there with all their jugs. One guy who lives only blocks away from > it says he asked people where they come from, and some came from > Oregon for this water. It's always seemed quite alright to me. > That's where I get my water. > > But like others said, if you respond like we do (you probably will), > after eating many fruits and veggies for quite a while, you'll notice > a lot less thirst for plain water. The times you'll be the > thirstiest are after eating dehydrated or complex meals. If the > thirst comes after strenuous activity and you're in tune with your > body's signals, I expect you'll feel more like drinking young coconut > water, or eating juicy fruit--in other words, something with > sweetness rather than bland H2O. It's been shown that the body is > especially good at absorbing natural sugar within 30 minutes after > exercise. > > When I get my water from this Artesian well source (which because of > my low thirst levels, lasts me a long time), I use a 6.7-gallon glass > jug that I got at a brewery place, to avoid the problem of plastic. > > Happy drinking! :-) > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 6, 2004 I disagree, there are many minerals in water which are good and absorbable by the body. Adding 1 tsp of Celtic Sea Salt to 1 gallon of water is a cheap source of electrolyte balance (the book The Body's Many Cries for Water). If water is polluted and the only source, or if you travel to places like India, please be sure to boil your water at least 20 minutes. Avoid using chemicals to treat the water. Distil it if you have a distiller as a first choice. Purchase a portable hand pump filter for disaster preparedness for troubled times ahead. Namaste, Janaki Rose - " Nora Lenz " <nmlenz <RawSeattle > Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:57 PM Re: [RawSeattle] water > Hi Viola, > Here's some info on water. Firstly, bacteria are of no concern to you, or any human being, because they do not cause disease. They are present when and where disease is, because it is their job to clean up waste, which is the cause of all > disease. So, don't worry about purifying water to rid it of bacteria. The main reason our water needs to be purified is because of what is put into it by our germ-phobic water management agencies. The chemicals that are added to water > kill the cells in our bodies as surely as they kill bacteria. > > IMO, the best water available to us here in the Puget Sound area is that which flows from the Cascades. It is free, it is natural, it is perfectly purified by nature, and it tastes wonderful. Every couple months I go out past North Bend > and find a good stream that flows directly from the snowbanks on the upper hills so that there is no possibility of agricultural run-off. I use the blue plastic jugs available at PCC which are purported to not leach or off-gas like regular > plastic. > > Re minerals in water, we needn't concern ourselves with getting minerals from water because the minerals found in water are inorganic. Our bodies can only use organic minerals, like those in plants. Plants take inorganic minerals from the > soil and convert them to a form we can use. The minerals in " mineral water " are of no use to us and must only be eliminated by the body. There are probably more minerals in stream water (a bad thing) but I reason that this is the kind of > water we would most likely be drinking if we were living naturally. The best water, of course, is that which is contained in raw fruits and vegetables, and you will find that you'll need to drink less as you eat more fruits, etc. > > Hope this is helpful. > Nora > > > viola wrote: > > > Hello raw vegetarians, do you drink any water? What is the best water here in Seattle area? I read that plastic bottles are all bad to store water because of some chemicals in plastic. But filtering water doesn't clean it from bacteria. > > > > The more raw fruits I eat, the less I want to drink, but for fasting I need good quality water. So what will be the best choice? > > > > > > > > Love and blessings to you, > > > > Viola > > > > > > > > Search - Find what you're looking for faster. > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 6, 2004 Hi Janaki, Robert's visiting here from Canada this weekend, so I asked him to respond to your post about sodium chloride. This a subject he has researched thoroughly. If inorganic minerals like sodium chloride were necessary for life, nobody would be able to live without them because our bodies do not store them. Robert has not consumed salt in any inorganic form for 10 years and I have not in 3 years (except for the 3 bites of raw burger I had at the potluck Saturday!). Not coincidentally, we are both thriving on a raw, vegan, completely salt-free diet. Here's Robert: " In the same way that human beings don't go around licking rocks to get 'minerals', we don't need to get them from water. Water only dissolves minerals, it doesn't synthesize them. The minerals in water are in exactly the same form as those found in rocks, i.e., as crystals. Our bodies cannot use crystalline minerals. You can look this information up in any biology text. Sodium chloride is a different substance than sodium and/or chlorine, neither of which are salts. To call sodium a 'salt' leads to much confusion on this matter. Sodium as it is found in raw foods is organic in nature, as a component of a whole food and within the protein structure of that food, and is appropriate for use by our bodies. On the other hand, sodium chloride, more commonly known as table salt or celtic sea salt (which differs from table salt in that it contains other salts like potassium chloride and magnesium chloride, also inorganic) is like carbon dioxide, it is something that our bodies must eliminate. Salt has a molecular structure which strongly attracts water molecules, thereby depleting cells and tissues of water. This depletion causes the death of cells and a thirst sensation as the body attempts to replace the lost fluids. This is why salt has been used as a preservative for centuries -- the Egyptians used it to preserve mummies. Even they knew about the dehydrating effects that it has on the body. Salt is a protoplasmic poison -- it kills life by preventing the growth of cells. Salt is also an excito-toxin, meaning the nerves react to it, recognizing that it will kill the cells in the body, so the body increases its activity rate in order to get rid of it. You'll notice its effect on your taste buds when you put it on your tongue, as it excites and hyper-sensitizes the nerves of the tongue. If you put a few grains of pure salt on your tongue, you'll note the burning sensation. In this irritated state, the nerves of the taste buds are much more sensitive to the flavors in foods, that's why salt is thought to improve or increase the flavor of foods. In reality, it's like an open wound on the skin being more sensitive to touch. Over the long term, the abuse of our taste buds with salt leads to the malfunction and dysfunction of those glands and ultimately we lose our sense of taste. That's why old people lose their ability to taste, and they have to end up adding more and more salt as they get older in order to 'enjoy' their food, or they lose interest in food altogether. When a person eats salt on their food, they will eliminate the very same substance, unchanged, through their skin. You can eat some salt and then lick your skin to demonstrate this to yourself. Like juice, supplements, and hybridized or seedless fruit, sodium chloride is a fractionated, unbalanced substance, removed from the natural context for which our bodies are adapted. When any of these things are ingested, the body must try to create balance within itself. This is how the damage is done. " I realize these kinds of discussions can get circular and go on forever. Hopefully that won't happen. I just thought this would be a good opportunity to provide some info about salt that people might not be getting elsewhere. There's lots more that could be said in favor of avoiding the consumption of salts in any form, but hopefully this will suffice. Nora Janaki Rose wrote: > I disagree, there are many minerals in water which are good and absorbable > by the body. Adding 1 tsp of Celtic Sea Salt to 1 gallon of water is a > cheap source of electrolyte balance (the book The Body's Many Cries for > Water). If water is polluted and the only source, or if you travel to > places like India, please be sure to boil your water at least 20 minutes. > Avoid using chemicals to treat the water. Distil it if you have a distiller > as a first choice. Purchase a portable hand pump filter for disaster > preparedness for troubled times ahead. > Namaste, > Janaki Rose > - > " Nora Lenz " <nmlenz > <RawSeattle > > Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:57 PM > Re: [RawSeattle] water > > > Hi Viola, > > Here's some info on water. Firstly, bacteria are of no concern to you, or > any human being, because they do not cause disease. They are present when > and where disease is, because it is their job to clean up waste, which is > the cause of all > > disease. So, don't worry about purifying water to rid it of bacteria. > The main reason our water needs to be purified is because of what is put > into it by our germ-phobic water management agencies. The chemicals that > are added to water > > kill the cells in our bodies as surely as they kill bacteria. > > > > IMO, the best water available to us here in the Puget Sound area is that > which flows from the Cascades. It is free, it is natural, it is perfectly > purified by nature, and it tastes wonderful. Every couple months I go out > past North Bend > > and find a good stream that flows directly from the snowbanks on the upper > hills so that there is no possibility of agricultural run-off. I use the > blue plastic jugs available at PCC which are purported to not leach or > off-gas like regular > > plastic. > > > > Re minerals in water, we needn't concern ourselves with getting minerals > from water because the minerals found in water are inorganic. Our bodies > can only use organic minerals, like those in plants. Plants take inorganic > minerals from the > > soil and convert them to a form we can use. The minerals in " mineral > water " are of no use to us and must only be eliminated by the body. There > are probably more minerals in stream water (a bad thing) but I reason that > this is the kind of > > water we would most likely be drinking if we were living naturally. The > best water, of course, is that which is contained in raw fruits and > vegetables, and you will find that you'll need to drink less as you eat more > fruits, etc. > > > > Hope this is helpful. > > Nora > > > > > > viola wrote: > > > > > Hello raw vegetarians, do you drink any water? What is the best water > here in Seattle area? I read that plastic bottles are all bad to store water > because of some chemicals in plastic. But filtering water doesn't clean it > from bacteria. > > > > > > The more raw fruits I eat, the less I want to drink, but for fasting I > need good quality water. So what will be the best choice? > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and blessings to you, > > > > > > Viola > > > > > > > > > > > > Search - Find what you're looking for faster. > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2004 Nora - I like what you said about bacteria. I just have a question - what if there is a dead, rotting bear up stream from where you are gathering water? Is that going to cause any distress to a human? Just curious as they used to tell us to not drink from streams while hiking for this reason. Shari Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Hi Shari, Thanks for the question. The " they " who tell us not to drink stream water are taught by the medical community what causes disease, so naturally they are confused and misled. In the first place, in all the hundreds of streams I've crossed while hiking, I've never seen a dead animal in one. This is probably because meat doesn't get wasted in nature, it gets eaten. So it's a pretty long shot, but even if it happened, it would not be of concern. The stream I get my water from is of moderate size, so anything that might enter it from a rotting animal would be extremely dilute. If you walked up to a rotting animal and smelled it, millions of bacteria would enter your body through your nose. This wouldn't make you sick unless you ignored your senses and ate the animal. Drinking water with a few million bacteria in it doesn't make us sick either. If I were to *eat* a rotting carcass, like most of the people who tell us not to drink stream water do, there may be a chance of my getting sick because although bacteria doesn't cause disease, the forms of bacteria that break down flesh do produce toxic by-products that will make us sick if we eat enough of them. That's one reason why eating meat isn't a good idea. It should be said that if I were to drink from *stagnant* water in which a carcass was rotting, I might get sick but only if I ignored my nose once again. The smell of decomposing flesh would warn me not to drink the water. Nature doesn't play low tricks on us like hiding deadly poisons in things we're meant to consume. That we suspect otherwise reveals how brainwashed we are to believe that nature is our enemy, thanks in no small part to the medical community which gives us the germ theory and other modern fables. Bacteria are everywhere. Nothing can escape them, not even our food which was described in a recent post as " sterile " . I don't know about anybody else, but my food isn't sterile. I have to wipe excess soil from my lettuce and celery all the time. (I listen to my taste buds when they tell me that dirt is not food.) In addition, it should be pointed out to those who think we're missing something because our food doesn't have dirt on it (like it presumably did in the good old days) should realize that our natural food (fruit), which our ancestors thrived on almost exclusively, never touches soil. Thanks again for your question! Hope this helps. Smiles, Nora Shari Viger wrote: > Nora - I like what you said about bacteria. I just have a question - what if there is a dead, rotting bear up stream from where you are gathering water? Is that going to cause any distress to a human? Just curious as they used to tell us to not drink from streams while hiking for this reason. > > Shari > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Thanks Nora, I always like what you have to say. Shari Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2004 I should probably back up my statements with research but as usual I don't have time to do it, so all I have to offer is clinical observation, that when clients have incorporated a source of electrolytes into their water either from a product called " Selectrolytes " , or incorporated the Celtic Sea Salt (1 tsp per gal of H2O) into their daily water intake, their tissues becomes less lumpy, better hydrated, lower blood pressure, less puffy water retention, the lymphatic fluids move with more efficiency for lymphatic drainage treatment, and the wave pulsation (Tesle electrical technology instruments that I use in the treatment) moves more efficiently through the tissues as the person does conduct better. My guess is that this might also occur with the Royal Body Care product called " Crystal Energy " drops that are added to water, but I'm not certain. Namaste, Janaki - " Nora Lenz " <nmlenz <RawSeattle > Saturday, March 06, 2004 9:24 AM Re: [RawSeattle] water > Hi Janaki, > Robert's visiting here from Canada this weekend, so I asked him to respond to > your post about sodium chloride. This a subject he has researched thoroughly. > If inorganic minerals like sodium chloride were necessary for life, nobody would > be able to live without them because our bodies do not store them. Robert has > not consumed salt in any inorganic form for 10 years and I have not in 3 years > (except for the 3 bites of raw burger I had at the potluck Saturday!). Not > coincidentally, we are both thriving on a raw, vegan, completely salt-free diet. > > Here's Robert: " In the same way that human beings don't go around licking > rocks to get 'minerals', we don't need to get them from water. Water only > dissolves minerals, it doesn't synthesize them. The minerals in water are in > exactly the same form as those found in rocks, i.e., as crystals. Our bodies > cannot use crystalline minerals. You can look this information up in any > biology text. > Sodium chloride is a different substance than sodium and/or chlorine, > neither of which are salts. To call sodium a 'salt' leads to much confusion on > this matter. Sodium as it is found in raw foods is organic in nature, as a > component of a whole food and within the protein structure of that food, and is > appropriate for use by our bodies. On the other hand, sodium chloride, more > commonly known as table salt or celtic sea salt (which differs from table salt > in that it contains other salts like potassium chloride and magnesium chloride, > also inorganic) is like carbon dioxide, it is something that our bodies must > eliminate. > Salt has a molecular structure which strongly attracts water molecules, > thereby depleting cells and tissues of water. This depletion causes the death > of cells and a thirst sensation as the body attempts to replace the lost > fluids. This is why salt has been used as a preservative for centuries -- the > Egyptians used it to preserve mummies. Even they knew about the dehydrating > effects that it has on the body. Salt is a protoplasmic poison -- it kills > life by preventing the growth of cells. > Salt is also an excito-toxin, meaning the nerves react to it, recognizing > that it will kill the cells in the body, so the body increases its activity rate > in order to get rid of it. You'll notice its effect on your taste buds when you > put it on your tongue, as it excites and hyper-sensitizes the nerves of the > tongue. If you put a few grains of pure salt on your tongue, you'll note the > burning sensation. In this irritated state, the nerves of the taste buds are > much more sensitive to the flavors in foods, that's why salt is thought to > improve or increase the flavor of foods. In reality, it's like an open wound on > the skin being more sensitive to touch. Over the long term, the abuse of our > taste buds with salt leads to the malfunction and dysfunction of those glands > and ultimately we lose our sense of taste. That's why old people lose their > ability to taste, and they have to end up adding more and more salt as they get > older in order to 'enjoy' their food, or they lose interest in food altogether. > When a person eats salt on their food, they will eliminate the very same > substance, unchanged, through their skin. You can eat some salt and then lick > your skin to demonstrate this to yourself. > Like juice, supplements, and hybridized or seedless fruit, sodium chloride > is a fractionated, unbalanced substance, removed from the natural context for > which our bodies are adapted. When any of these things are ingested, the body > must try to create balance within itself. This is how the damage is done. " > > I realize these kinds of discussions can get circular and go on forever. > Hopefully that won't happen. I just thought this would be a good opportunity to > provide some info about salt that people might not be getting elsewhere. > There's lots more that could be said in favor of avoiding the consumption of > salts in any form, but hopefully this will suffice. > > Nora > > > Janaki Rose wrote: > > > I disagree, there are many minerals in water which are good and absorbable > > by the body. Adding 1 tsp of Celtic Sea Salt to 1 gallon of water is a > > cheap source of electrolyte balance (the book The Body's Many Cries for > > Water). If water is polluted and the only source, or if you travel to > > places like India, please be sure to boil your water at least 20 minutes. > > Avoid using chemicals to treat the water. Distil it if you have a distiller > > as a first choice. Purchase a portable hand pump filter for disaster > > preparedness for troubled times ahead. > > Namaste, > > Janaki Rose > > - > > " Nora Lenz " <nmlenz > > <RawSeattle > > > Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:57 PM > > Re: [RawSeattle] water > > > > > Hi Viola, > > > Here's some info on water. Firstly, bacteria are of no concern to you, or > > any human being, because they do not cause disease. They are present when > > and where disease is, because it is their job to clean up waste, which is > > the cause of all > > > disease. So, don't worry about purifying water to rid it of bacteria. > > The main reason our water needs to be purified is because of what is put > > into it by our germ-phobic water management agencies. The chemicals that > > are added to water > > > kill the cells in our bodies as surely as they kill bacteria. > > > > > > IMO, the best water available to us here in the Puget Sound area is that > > which flows from the Cascades. It is free, it is natural, it is perfectly > > purified by nature, and it tastes wonderful. Every couple months I go out > > past North Bend > > > and find a good stream that flows directly from the snowbanks on the upper > > hills so that there is no possibility of agricultural run-off. I use the > > blue plastic jugs available at PCC which are purported to not leach or > > off-gas like regular > > > plastic. > > > > > > Re minerals in water, we needn't concern ourselves with getting minerals > > from water because the minerals found in water are inorganic. Our bodies > > can only use organic minerals, like those in plants. Plants take inorganic > > minerals from the > > > soil and convert them to a form we can use. The minerals in " mineral > > water " are of no use to us and must only be eliminated by the body. There > > are probably more minerals in stream water (a bad thing) but I reason that > > this is the kind of > > > water we would most likely be drinking if we were living naturally. The > > best water, of course, is that which is contained in raw fruits and > > vegetables, and you will find that you'll need to drink less as you eat more > > fruits, etc. > > > > > > Hope this is helpful. > > > Nora > > > > > > > > > viola wrote: > > > > > > > Hello raw vegetarians, do you drink any water? What is the best water > > here in Seattle area? I read that plastic bottles are all bad to store water > > because of some chemicals in plastic. But filtering water doesn't clean it > > from bacteria. > > > > > > > > The more raw fruits I eat, the less I want to drink, but for fasting I > > need good quality water. 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Guest guest Report post Posted March 23, 2004 I use a Pur water filter that attaches to the sink faucet. I don't know if this is a good alternative to supermarket bottled water or distilled water. Does anyone have an opinion about this? It gives me a sense of security, whether false or real. > On a raw food diet, do any of you just blanch your veggies 'a bit'. there > are some veggies that I like but cannot see me ever eating them raw? I am not on a raw food diet, but am curious about it and want to add more raw foods to my diet. However, I have read that blanching veggies helps the body absorb the nutrients better. Even better than blanching might be to microwave them for a bit. Those are just my opinions though; I love to hear others opinions. Hope Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 2, 2004 This is an article from internet, about water: A BOOK BY Peter Kulish on THE ART OF HEALING WITH BIOMAGNETISM said to drink negative or " north pole " magnetized hard or mineralized water every day and if you needed more help to add concentrated oxygen to it. The implication was that this would help with almost every kind of health problem. Dr. Lee Lorenzen recommends to DRINK MY WATER by addling one ounce to a gallon of distilled water , letting it sit in the fridge overnight, and drinking 8 to 16 oz., every day. Another doctor who was selling another kind of " activated " water with " life frequencies " that were supposed to be even more powerful than those found in the water the healthy people in Hunzaland drink and who complained that all the " cluster " water people were ignoring the frequency factor said to DRINK MY " MYSTERY " WATER. Meanwhile the US Government and local communities were all saying to DRINK OUR WATER. We've added chlorine to kill the bugs and fluoride to save your teeth. What more do you want? I WAS GETTING FRUSTRATED. Between distilled and " hard " water and clusters and frequencies and other alternatives… would the real healthy water please stand? I finally decided to ask some trusted friends for help. These were small seed alfalfa, radish, and clover sprouts I was growing through the winter to nibble on and to enrich my salads. I felt sure I could get some objective truth from the sprouts because as we all know sprouts do not lie.! HOT ON THE TRAIL OF SPROUTLY TRUTH…my experiment consisted of taking a teaspoon of alfalfa, radish and clover sprouting seeds and using four different kinds of water for their soaking and rinsing…all other factors being equal. WILL THE REAL HEALTHY WATER PLEASE STAND! Looking at the sprouts on the front cover you can easily see that the sprouts had preferences that became very clear by seven days into the experiment when the pictures were taken. EXHIBIT A = FILTERED HARD TAP WATER TREATED WITH NORTH POLE MAGNETIC ENERGY EXHIBIT B =SAME TAP WATER NOT FILTERED OR TREATED EXHIBIT C= SAME TAP WATER WITH " MYSTERY " WATER CONCENTRATE ADDED PER DIRECTIONS OF SUPPLIER EXHIBIT D= DISTILLED WATER WITH DR. LORENZEN SBX FORMULA ADDED PER DIRECTIONS EXHIBIT A takes the honors. Isn't interesting that dirty old non-filtered tape water with all its chemicals comes in second place? The fourth place taken by Lorenzen water should not be interpreted to mean that Lorenzen water is the worst water for human health since, being distilled, it was the only water of the four without minerals. Sprouts should not be expected to do well on distilled water. EXHIBITS A, B, AND C however all had the same mineral content. The big puzzle is why the " mystery " water that was supposed to be charged with the right " life frequencies " should come in last among the hard water candidates. I cannot explain that. As for the winner…EXHIBIT A… lets consider what Peter Kulish and Dr. Yoshitaka Ohno have to say. That might help to explain why it came out " head and shoulders " above the others. COST FACTOR: If north pole treated hard water is in fact the healthiest water to drink the cost factor is good news. At less than the $50.00 a month for Lorenzen water you can have a north pole water jug system that will last 900 years. That breaks down to a little more than one penny a month. By then the magnets will have lost their power so you will have to replace the magnets with a cost adjustment for inflation of course. The jar should still be OK (see page 2 for source information). Having finished my experiment I gave north pole sprouts the highest honor I could think of. I used them to top off a salad to enhance the joys of an evening meal that followed a glass of Beaujolais from France, Louis Jadot, SPROUTS DON'T LIE…but I think I could hear them laugh. Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 25, 2004 Interesting reading which, although starting from a different standpoint from my view, arrives at the same destination for all intents and purposes. The purest water, most perfectly balanced by mother nature herself comes from fruit and vegetables in precisely the quantities we need. Even on the edge of the Sahara in the valley de Dra, a watermelon is the perfect thirst quencher. Learned doctors will preach the requirement to consume many variations of water to make up for the deficit in cooked dehydrated food. " Liver and kidney's will not function properly without a prescribed quantity of centilitres per day. " On a cooked diet, extra water is essential and on a fast, extra water is essential. Beyond that it is irritates me as soon as I drink it, as I am sometimes forced to do for the sake of social nicety. In only a few minutes, I feel pressure on the bladder. As I read, the medical profession poohoos the charge in water issue on the grounds that it is unproven quackery. Right or wrong the water in fresh fruit and vegetables has no detractors at all. Peter jetpostman [jetpostman] 24 April 2004 21:37 rawfood [Raw Food] water I just got this article on water and thought some of you might like to read it. Nicholas Here is the latest eWellness letter by Gabriel Cousens M.D.,M.D. (H) on the facinating topic of water. Peace and Joy Tree of Life Community The Mystery of Water The basic human substance of life on which all life is based seems to be very complicated. Without water, life doesn't happen. So, what is the mystery of water? What is the mystery of the chemistry of life? Any farmer can tell you that a rich soil, that if there is not adequate moisture, will not grow seed. The seed will never germinate without proper hydration. The function of water is to bring active natural hydrogen into the cell, so the cell becomes hydrated and the DNA of the nucleus becomes hydrated. What I mean by hydration is hydrogen-donating electrons. This is the secret of water. When we understand this principle, how to choose what water will best serve us becomes very simple. The other functions of water have to do with acting as a solvent to eliminate toxins out of the body and out of the cell. Water also acts as a harmonic communicator through its structure, so that the cells can communicate between each other and intracellularly, through patterned frequencies that the water is able to transmit. Water, H2O, contains the two critical elements of life hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen molecule comprises 97% of the universe. Why is the hydrogen molecule that is charged to donate electrons so important? Because the chemistry of life depends on the flow of our electrons. Nobel Prize winner Gyorgi made it very simple when he said, " All of life depends on a small trickle of electrons from the sun. " These electrons are stored in the water, in live foods, and they are stored in an almost magical compound called ultimatium, which in the Biblical times may be associated with the manna. Ultimatium turns us into a cosmic conductor of free electrons. It is the free electrons that establish, maintain, and create life, and create all energy happening, intracellularly, extracellularly, and any level in the body. In essence, what I am saying is the key to understanding nutrition is electron flow. Live foods have the most electrons of any food preparation type. Water, whose pH is 7.2 or less, meaning 7.0, 6.8 or less, has the most biologically active natural hydrogen, and therefore the most electrons. This chemistry of life is about the flow of hydrogen donating electrons and it affects all intracellular processes. DNA needs the electron energy from the hydrated water to repair it. The flow of hydrogen in the cells from the natural water helps bring oxygen into the cell in the form of H2O. The flow of hydrogen, and again electron donating hydrogen, activates the cytochrome oxidative system to make ATP, which is the source of biological energy. The biological transmutation principles, discoveries of Dr. Louis Kervan,, all are based on the flow of hydrogen, and therefore electrons, for the transformation to take place. Once we understand this simple, basic principle that water has to do with hydration, hydra, or hydrogen that it brings into the system which subsequently releases electrons in the system for all energy systems to work, we then are ready to understand the principles of water. Water that is high in hydrogen and therefore electrons, works as a powerful anti-oxidant. Natural water is a high hydrogen donating water, such as you see in pristine rainwater. When you distill water, you free up the natural hydrogen in the water, so you can actually hydrate the cells. Total dissolved solids tells you the amount of minerals and other frequencies in the water, such as pesticides and herbicides and so forth. Skipping the discussion about the problem of contaminants in the water, and focusing on the minerals in the water, we can understand the research of Dr. Tru Ott. This research seems to indicate is that if the total dissolved solids is greater than 50, then those total dissolved solids interact and trap the electrons so they can’t be used to transfer to our cells. At a TDS of 200 there in essence is actually no free hydrogen or electrons. Water which has a TDS of 200 or greater, usually tends to be alkaline. If it has a TDS of less than 50, hydronium gets formed, which is H3O, which is more clearly an elecron donating hydrogen input. This piece of information makes it clear to us that the most natural and healthiest water is the most hydrogen donating water, which is the water that has the highest amount of electrons. This is distilled water because it is a highest hydrogen donating water. Once we understand this principle, we can then begin to understand why certain beverages are not particularly conducive to our electron input. For example, caffeine drinks bond to hydrogen and therefore stop the hydration, similar to let's say carbon monoxide (CO) binding to hemoglobin and therefore not allowing the oxygen to function. Carbonated beverages create a similar situation, because they create a chemical acidity that is not a natural hydrogen and they also bind the hydrogen. They also create a false acidity by creating a carbonic acid. So, you cannot simply add hydrochloric acid to water and think that is going to be a hydrated water. Chemicals added to water do not necessarily create a natural hydrogen in the water. Herb teas create a nutritional drink, but not necessarily a hydrating drink. This is because they have a high TDS and the result is that the hydrogen ions and electrons are bound up. This doesn't mean that herb teas are bad, it simply means that they are not hydrating; they are for nutritional and herbal effects and not for hydrating. This is an important clarifying principle. For example live juices are very good because they have many minerals and they are hydrating. But they are not necessarily as hydrating as distilled water. Distilled water is definitely like the rainwater in the sense that it has been heated and destructured. Because of the heating of the water most of the frequencies of possibly toxic chemicals are destroyed. Distilled has the least amount of toxic frequencies of any water. The next step is to restructure it so it will hold new healthy frequencies. One thing I use for this is Crystal Energy, which is created by Dr. Flanagan. These are actually physical micro-crystals that restructure the water from its blank tape status. Once structured, it can carry whatever energies need to be carried in it. When the water is restructured the intra and extracellular harmonic communication between cells and between the nucleus and the cytoplasm is improved. The message here is the best way to get our minerals is not from water, but from food. The role of water is to bring hydrogen into the system to hydrate the system intracellularly, to eliminate toxins, to amplify the osmotic process, which is the concentration of extracellular fluid. When the hydrogen moves in, in reverse to that, toxins move out. The other addition to water is angstrom minerals up to 50 TDS. For this I use 12 drops of active ionic mineral with fulvic acid (which helps absorption of minerals as angstrom minerals) or a minimal “smidgen†measuring coop of either Celtic, Himalayan, or Real Salt which are all around 82 mineral ionic salts. This minimum amount of minerals makes the TDS slightly less than 50 and helps to turn the water into an electron active hydronium high hydrogen water conductive water. The minerals at 50 TDS create and activate electron donation to the body and enhance the bio-electrical potential of the water in a way that maximizes the bio-electrical and electron donation to the body. The final step is creating vortexes in the water by rotating the jar of water which stimulates the water experience in a river. Then blessing the water wit healing vibrations, and letting it sit outside in nature to reprogram with the fragrances of nature for at least 4 hours. I believe this is the healthiest, most vibrationally full, high electron hydrating water. This information is from my soon to be published book entitled “Spiritual Nutrition.†Tree of Life Foundation PO Box 1080 686 Harshaw Road Patagonia AZ 85624 healing 520 394 2520 www.treeoflife.nu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 14, 2005 , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > By 2025, between 2.6 billion and 3.1 billion people are expected to be living in water-stressed or water-scarce conditions. Already more than 30 countries -- most of them in Africa and the Middle East -- have fallen below even the most conservative benchmarks for sufficient per capita cropland or renewable freshwater. Thanks for this info. I would appreciate the reference/site in this regard. Also, what is the projected Global population in 2025 ? Please take your time and provide answers at your convenience. Thanks. Vijay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 14, 2005 appraoching 10 billion by the year 2050... i think... depends a nice series of disatsters will change the forcasts wildly... the info came from a UN study..sorry..have no idea where the link went rvijay07 Jan 13, 2005 5:18 PM Re: water , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:> By 2025, between 2.6 billion and 3.1 billion people are expected to be living in water-stressed or water-scarce conditions. Already more than 30 countries -- most of them in Africa and the Middle East -- have fallen below even the most conservative benchmarks for sufficient per capita cropland or renewable freshwater.Thanks for this info. I would appreciate the reference/site in this regard. Also, what is the projected Global population in 2025 ? Please take your time and provide answers at your convenience.Thanks.VijayTo send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 1, 2005 Thanks Bob for the interesting read and I am sure it will be helpful to those who reside in the city or have to succumb to the dictates of their towns/cities that they be on the town/city's water supply. This article (like so many about this issue) makes a presumption that most city people make - that is, that everyone's tap water is city water laden with fluoride, chlorine, MTBE, and other toxic chemicals designed to kill bacteria. It reminds me of when I used to do real estate appraisals and tried to explain to the bankers that we had either hand-dug wells here or artesian wells dug deep into the earth. They couldn't believe it and some were insistent that the borrower get rid of their " perfectly fine " wells and hook up to city water (even though the " city " didn't have a water supply). LOL! Around here, unless you indeed live in the city, your water to your tap is from a well that is spring fed. Ah, how I love living the good life in these here rural parts! :-) Donna - - - - hello all! I belong to Mike Snyder's ezine...(more info in his article if you're interested..), and found this interessting article on water: http://therawdiet.blogspot.com/2005/04/why-you-should-avoid-drinking- tap.html all the best, Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 1, 2005 Water in foods (and then I *think* I'm off this topic for the day...lol!) from LS, pp. 339-340 Our body is ~60-70% water. fruits are typically 80-90% water. " If we eat an abundance of fresh raw fruits, including in the hot seasons, little or no water for drinking will be needed. " As I've become more acclimated to FL weather, and begun to eats a *lot* more fruits, I'm finding this to be true for me also. And, I'm even noticing that when I'm playing tennis, that I no longer have the buckets of water pouring out of me, and I need to drink less water when I'm playing. Here are some typical water contents of easily available fruits and vegys: Avocado 73% Grapes 81% Bananas 75% (that one surprised me! they seemed less) Oranges, Peeled 86% Peaches 89% Strawberries 90% Watermelon 92% Celery 94% Broccoli 89% Lettuce 95% Tomatoes 93% Cucumbers 95% Carrots 88% nuts and seeds, if eaten, may increase the need for additional water. Pecans ~3%, cashews ~5%, almonds ~5%, brazil nuts ~4%, and sunflower seeds ~5%. Have a great day! all the best, Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 1, 2005 rawfood , " Donna " <donnachagnon@n...> wrote: > > Thanks Bob for the interesting read and I am sure it will be helpful to those who reside in the city or have to succumb to the dictates of their towns/cities that they be on the town/city's water supply. > > This article (like so many about this issue) makes a presumption that most city people make - ----- Hey Donna! yup...I used to live more rural also...was on a 3 ac. place up in Ohio, with well and septic. Did find that when I had my well tested, while it didn't have most of the noxious chemicals, it had tons of minerals...great for the garden, and no so good for drinking water... all the best, Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 17, 2005 I am confused. My conclusion is that restructured distilled water is best, Trinity Spring Water is second best. That restructioning seems like a lot of work. Am I missing something? Thanks. P.S. Currently we use LeBleu distilled water delivery in 5 gallon hard plastic barrels. rawfood , " Bob Farrell " <rjf2@t...> wrote: > hello all! > > I belong to Mike Snyder's ezine...(more info in his article if you're > interested..), and found this interessting article on water: > > http://therawdiet.blogspot.com/2005/04/why-you-should-avoid-drinking- > tap.html > > > all the best, > > Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 18, 2005 rawfood , " gmroberson1 " <gmroberson1> wrote: > I am confused. My conclusion is that restructured distilled water is > best, Trinity Spring Water is second best. That restructioning seems > like a lot of work. Am I missing something? Thanks. P.S. > Currently we use LeBleu distilled water delivery in 5 gallon hard > plastic barrels. ---- Hi.. distilled best (after water contained within fruits and vegys...) you can say a short " prayer " over the water; not much work... I make my own distilled water -- it drips into a hard plastic, and then I put it in jars....make one gallone at a time.. all the best, Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 8, 2006 rawfood , " jem_3000 " <jem_1000 wrote: > > I know I'm asking a lot of question lately, but I've just now made the > decision to go totally raw, no ifs ands or buts. I did a 5-day trial > last week, eating some fruit in the morning and a salad at night (I > eat very little). I'm 21 and have had acne since I was in 8th > grade--since age 13, I guess. I have it still, but it's gotten much > better over the past year or so. I went fruitarian last year for a > little while, but was eating a lot of high-sugar fruits like kiwis, > grapes, melons, etc, and was definitely eating them all in the same > meal (I didn't know about combining :/). My acne got better for a > while but then came back just as bad, and I didn't lose any weight > eating like that, so I abandoned it. I think Gabriel Cousens' live > green cuisine approach is probably pretty good, though--how he starts > you on mostly veggies and the really low glycemic fruits (tomatoes, > cucumbers, etc), then says you can work up to the rest. I've been > eating all low glycemic fruits and veggies for probably all of this > year, though interspersed with my not-so-occasional cooked food > binges. But even still my acne disappeared everywhere on my face > except for my chin, and has been that way as long as I've been eating > like that. Then I did that 5 day all raw just a few days ago and no > new acne showed up, and my face is totally clear, aside from the > scars. And I didn't get my period, as is in the other post, but > apparently that may be proper for someone on an all raw vegan diet, > and I don't eat any nuts/seeds, though I may slowly work them in down > the road. > > So, I wanted to get a water filter to get as healthy as I can be on my > budget. I don't think I want to go the reverse osmosis route, but just > a good filter to get out the chloride/fluoride and most of the other > junk I know is in my water. I was just looking for suggestions, if any > of you use water filters or get it from your health food stores or > what have you. It'd just be for personal use, I don't need a lot a > day, I don't really seem to need fluids all that much--probably get a > lot from the food, but still, I'd like one for when I make tea and > such. Open to suggestions. > > And sorry for the round-about way of getting to that, but .. it feels > good to finally have really made that choice to cross fully over the > line and go totally raw.. from now till forever > > Jen > Hi Jen, I have a Brita filter on my faucet in the kitchen. For a long time I used bottled water and jugs of distilled water. But I think getting the filter on the faucet has helped tremendously. I also have the Pur pitchers which are very beneficial if you can't get to the store for refills of filters for the Brita. I've been raw since October 2005 and I wouldn't go back to the cooked food for all the tea in China! You are right about the skin clearing up. Also the longer you stay on the raw foods the smoother your skin will be and some of those scars will disappear! If you have any questions fon't hesitate to ask! Raw Blessings! Gwen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 8, 2006 Jen, I have used the " pur " filter on my faucet and I have purchased Spring Water in glass 5 gallon jugs and although it tastes fine to me, I can tell the difference in my body when I drink the filtered water!!! It feels dead, I don't feel that my thirst is satisfied, I just feel full and bloated. Then I drink more water sooner because I'm still thirsty or I turn to food, especially almond milk when I am thirsty which I am trying to get away from doing. I had stopped buying my spring water recently trying to save money, but I realize now that it is actually costing me more to use the filtered water so I am going back to spring water as soon as I can get to the store that carried it (and then I'm going to arrange for delivery) Get spring water from a reputable place though, I heard of one company (this is just from a friend who feels she got a parasite from the water, I didn't do my own research!) called " Cullingans " that gets their water from a location that used to be a pig farm! That doesn't sound too wise, but again, I haven't verified this! The water I get is from Hot Springs Arkansas and it's called Mountain Valley Springs. I love that it comes in glass too, I've heard the plastic that leaches into the water can cause hormone imbalances and cancer and I can taste the difference!! Denise rawfood , " jem_3000 " <jem_1000 wrote: > > I know I'm asking a lot of question lately, but I've just now made the > decision to go totally raw, no ifs ands or buts. I did a 5-day trial > last week, eating some fruit in the morning and a salad at night (I > eat very little). I'm 21 and have had acne since I was in 8th > grade--since age 13, I guess. I have it still, but it's gotten much > better over the past year or so. I went fruitarian last year for a > little while, but was eating a lot of high-sugar fruits like kiwis, > grapes, melons, etc, and was definitely eating them all in the same > meal (I didn't know about combining :/). My acne got better for a > while but then came back just as bad, and I didn't lose any weight > eating like that, so I abandoned it. I think Gabriel Cousens' live > green cuisine approach is probably pretty good, though--how he starts > you on mostly veggies and the really low glycemic fruits (tomatoes, > cucumbers, etc), then says you can work up to the rest. I've been > eating all low glycemic fruits and veggies for probably all of this > year, though interspersed with my not-so-occasional cooked food > binges. But even still my acne disappeared everywhere on my face > except for my chin, and has been that way as long as I've been eating > like that. Then I did that 5 day all raw just a few days ago and no > new acne showed up, and my face is totally clear, aside from the > scars. And I didn't get my period, as is in the other post, but > apparently that may be proper for someone on an all raw vegan diet, > and I don't eat any nuts/seeds, though I may slowly work them in down > the road. > > So, I wanted to get a water filter to get as healthy as I can be on my > budget. I don't think I want to go the reverse osmosis route, but just > a good filter to get out the chloride/fluoride and most of the other > junk I know is in my water. I was just looking for suggestions, if any > of you use water filters or get it from your health food stores or > what have you. It'd just be for personal use, I don't need a lot a > day, I don't really seem to need fluids all that much--probably get a > lot from the food, but still, I'd like one for when I make tea and > such. Open to suggestions. > > And sorry for the round-about way of getting to that, but .. it feels > good to finally have really made that choice to cross fully over the > line and go totally raw.. from now till forever > > Jen > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
