microwaved herbs

[Guest guest]

, " " <

zrosenberg@e...> wrote:

>

>

> I agree with Stephen on all points mentioned below. Very well thought out.

> I have the same concerns with peer-review research methods. The jury is

> still out.

>

>

 

 

I do not believe Stephen was questioning the peer review process, but

rather the issue of sample size.

 

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, " " <

zrosenberg@e...> wrote:

> on 1/15/01 1:44 PM, Cara Frank at herbbabe@e... wrote:

the order goes something like this; microwaves,

> > blanching, steaming, boiling, baking, roasting, grilling. At least that's

> > what I've been told.

> > Cara

> >

> An interesting approach to the problem. . .

> May I ask the source of the idea?

>

>

 

I'm with Cara,I think. It is well dcoumented that the least

technologically advanced form of cooking, i.e. wood fire, is by far the

most carcinogenic.

 

[Guest guest]

Oh- who knows? I think I got that from a teacher at NESA maybe 20 yrs ago.

Cara

[Guest guest]

In today's New York Times science section, there is an article about microwaves and effects on humans. Basically, the scientist says microwaves are harmless. She even heated up monkeys and she claims they loved it!!???

 

Anyway, it seemed like an interesting coincidence to find the article today after reading all the postings.

 

Sherril

[Guest guest]

on 1/16/01 12:56 AM, at wrote:

 

 

> I'm with Cara,I think. It is well dcoumented that the least

> technologically advanced form of cooking, i.e. wood fire, is by far the

> most carcinogenic.

>

 

 

I think you are talking here about barbecue or open fire. . . .I am thinking

more wood stove heat.

 

 

>

[Guest guest]

Microwaving does seem to alter proteins- which is why infants fed

microwaved breastmilk failed to thrive, so I prefer to just microwave the

water and add anything else later. But I can't see much short term

effect in any event. I'll guess that the qi of the herbs is stronger

than the qi of the microwave.

 

Long term use for all kinds of food is a different issue. I don't think

the research is all there.

Karen Vaughan

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zrosenberg@e...> wrote:

> on 1/16/01 12:56 AM, at @i... wrote:

>

>

> > I'm with Cara,I think. It is well dcoumented that the least

> > technologically advanced form of cooking, i.e. wood fire, is by far the

> > most carcinogenic.

> >

>

>

> I think you are talking here about barbecue or open fire. . . .I am thinking

> more wood stove heat.

>

>

 

 

thats right, but even conventional oven cooking has been shown to be

more mutagenic than microwaving. However, I also do not cook raw food

or herbs in microwaves, but mainly because I do not like the taste.

 

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will often make it light up. I also feel funny under them and notice

that the plants don't seem as lush.

 

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I think you are talking here about barbecue or open fire. . . .I am thinkingmore wood stove heat

>>>Still has much particulate on the food

Alon

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Dear Karen,

Your idea seem quiet analyze. We need to make a of

research about it before we go to completed adjustment on microwave. Your

idea and Stephen idea is quiet analyze. I do not have much idea about this

subject, but in the past, I use Microwave to cook herbs. I put the herb in

the glass pan( the glass pan do not absorb the radiation) I pour 4 cup of

water in the microwave, I take 35 minutes, I continue to put 3 cup of water

to the pot, I take 30 minute, then I take it out take the juice out of the

pan and use it two time. The third time, I pour 3 cup of water and take 30

more minutes then take it out to use one time. The quality always better

than pan cooking herb, the pressure on the wave force herb cell broken down

and the herb by the pressure of the wave press more juice out of itself,

making more tasty, the result of treatment seem more effect. But may be your

body in the future have some bad thing. I do not know for sure. We need to

contribute our idea and see how it effect in microwave cooking herb for many

years,5-20 years even more before we can tell how bad it is by microwave

herb cooking. Also depend what kind of food you cook in microwave.For

example: if I cook chicken in the microwave, the taste is better than I cook

in the stove. I roast the bread in the stove the bread has better taste than

the microwave. in the other hand, the bread has terrible taste when you do

it in microwave.

Nhung Ta

 

-

Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden

 

Tuesday, January 16, 2001 11:59 AM

Re: microwaved herbs

 

 

> Microwaving does seem to alter proteins- which is why infants fed

> microwaved breastmilk failed to thrive, so I prefer to just microwave the

> water and add anything else later. But I can't see much short term

> effect in any event. I'll guess that the qi of the herbs is stronger

> than the qi of the microwave.

>

> Long term use for all kinds of food is a different issue. I don't think

> the research is all there.

> Karen Vaughan

> CreationsGarden

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[Guest guest]

Dear Karen,

Your idea seem quiet analyze. We need to make a lot of

research about it before we go to completed adjustment on microwave. Your

idea and Stephen idea is quiet analyze. I do not have much idea about this

subject, but in the past, I use Microwave to cook herbs. I put the herb in

the glass pan( the glass pan do not absorb the radiation) I pour 4 cup of

water in the microwave, I take 35 minutes, I continue to put 3 cup of water

to the pot, I take 30 minute, then I take it out take the juice out of the

pan and use it two time. The third time, I pour 3 cup of water and take 30

more minutes then take it out to use one time. The quality always better

than pan cooking herb, the pressure on the wave force herb cell broken down

and the herb by the pressure of the wave press more juice out of itself,

making more tasty, the result of treatment seem more effect. But may be your

body in the future have some bad thing. I do not know for sure. We need to

contribute our idea and see how it effect in microwave cooking herb for many

years,5-20 years even more before we can tell how bad it is by microwave

herb cooking. Also depend what kind of food you cook in microwave.For

example: if I cook chicken in the microwave, the taste is better than I cook

in the stove. I roast the bread in the stove the bread has better taste than

the microwave. in the other hand, the bread has terrible taste when you do

it in microwave.

Nhung Ta

 

-

Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden

 

Tuesday, January 16, 2001 11:59 AM

Re: microwaved herbs

 

 

> Microwaving does seem to alter proteins- which is why infants fed

> microwaved breastmilk failed to thrive, so I prefer to just microwave the

> water and add anything else later. But I can't see much short term

> effect in any event. I'll guess that the qi of the herbs is stronger

> than the qi of the microwave.

>

> Long term use for all kinds of food is a different issue. I don't think

> the research is all there.

> Karen Vaughan

> CreationsGarden

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Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden

 

Tuesday, January 16, 2001 11:59 AM

Re: microwaved herbs

 

 

> Microwaving does seem to alter proteins- which is why infants fed

> microwaved breastmilk failed to thrive, so I prefer to just microwave the

> water and add anything else later. But I can't see much short term

> effect in any event. I'll guess that the qi of the herbs is stronger

> than the qi of the microwave.

>

> Long term use for all kinds of food is a different issue. I don't think

> the research is all there.

> Karen Vaughan

> CreationsGarden

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on 1/16/01 12:38 PM, sherrilgol at sherrilgol wrote:

 

In today's New York Times science section, there is an article about

microwaves and effects on humans. Basically, the scientist says microwaves

are harmless. She even heated up monkeys and she claims they loved it!!???

 

Anyway, it seemed like an interesting coincidence to find the article today

after reading all the postings.

 

 

(Z'ev) This is a complex subject, both from a scientific and Chinese yin/yang point of view. It would take a symposium, perhaps, to resolve all the issues, questions, pros and cons.

 

I don't trust what one scientist says about microwaves, or whether monkeys 'love it' or not. What matters to me is that humans have used fire methods to cook for millenia, and microwaves are a radically new method to prepare food. I would rather take new inventions with caution, especially those that affect what I put in my body, than find out years later that I have been irreversibly damaged in some way. Many things that science considered 'safe' turned out not to be so later on.

 

There are many arguments, pro and con on microwaves, indicating that there is a lot we don't know about the subject. For myself, I am simply interested in continuing the chain of discussion on the nature of microwaves from a yin/yang perspective. I will continue to avoid their use, and advise people to use microwave cooking with caution.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Z'eve,

I'm 100% agree what you've said. Use microwave with

caution.

Nhung Ta

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<zrosenberg

 

Tuesday, January 16, 2001 5:07 PM

Re: Re: microwaved herbs

 

 

> on 1/16/01 12:38 PM, sherrilgol at sherrilgol wrote:

>

> In today's New York Times science section, there is an article about

> microwaves and effects on humans. Basically, the scientist says

microwaves

> are harmless. She even heated up monkeys and she claims they loved

it!!???

>

> Anyway, it seemed like an interesting coincidence to find the article

today

> after reading all the postings.

>

>

> (Z'ev) This is a complex subject, both from a scientific and Chinese

> yin/yang point of view. It would take a symposium, perhaps, to resolve

all

> the issues, questions, pros and cons.

>

> I don't trust what one scientist says about microwaves, or whether monkeys

> 'love it' or not. What matters to me is that humans have used fire

methods

> to cook for millenia, and microwaves are a radically new method to prepare

> food. I would rather take new inventions with caution, especially those

> that affect what I put in my body, than find out years later that I have

> been irreversibly damaged in some way. Many things that science

considered

> 'safe' turned out not to be so later on.

>

> There are many arguments, pro and con on microwaves, indicating that there

> is a lot we don't know about the subject. For myself, I am simply

> interested in continuing the chain of discussion on the nature of

microwaves

> from a yin/yang perspective. I will continue to avoid their use, and

advise

> people to use microwave cooking with caution.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've been using a stainless steel electric pressure cooker. It seems to

cook the herbs well and allows very little to escape. (I let the steam

go down naturally, without opening the vent so volatiles are not heavily

lost.

Karen Vaughan

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I do not know the microwave have more yin than yang or yang than yin.

It's hard to prove that it is yin or yang. In the other hand, I see if I put

the disk of water in the sunshine, the heat will take out of the water in

the few minutes and I consider as the sunshine is yang absolutely. And the

microwave does take the water out of the food more than the stove. So, both

of them to me all are yang, but I think the Microwave more yang than yin

because it take more water out from the food. However, those thing do not

effect the food or herb to be more yin or yang. The only effect is the stove

have less radiation than the microwave or not. I think if we come back to

the old time. The gas stove always have more delicious food, and I'm sure,

it is the best to cook herb in the ceramic pot, but inconvinient life time.

Today, every thing is using by electric. I do not like it much, because the

electric just make me feel better for a little while, then the body even

more ach than before. I have some patients who using electric bed having a

hard time to recover the pain by my treatment more than the one do not have

the electric bed. Finally I have to tell them to give up the electric bed if

they want the treatment more effective. Then they did, after they give up

the electric bed, they become better. So I think, if I touch, I drink, I eat

by electric probably it is not as good as I use gas stove. I can not prove

exactly how it work, but I see the people in the country they are more

healthy than the people in the city. because they use less electric than the

people in the city. So, in conclusion, I say probably the electric is not so

good for the human body sometime.

Nhung Ta

 

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Al Stone <alstone

 

Monday, January 15, 2001 4:14 PM

Re: Re: microwaved herbs

 

 

>

>

> wrote:

>

> > Burns the yin? I don't know what that means, except that, in my

> > understanding, microwaves are a more yang cooking method than regular

fire.

>

> More Yang? How do you see that?

>

> Microwave energy acts only on the yin, since it stimulates molecular

> movement in the water of the food or tea. I don't know if that suggests

> that the microwave cooking is more yin or yang, but it certainly does

> act on the yin exclusively.

>

> I guess you could say that it is more Yang since the heating is done

> through something less physical than fire or hot coals.

>

> --

> Al Stone L.Ac.

> <AlStone

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>

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[Guest guest]

Also TCM 101 - Yin and yang are relative comparisons. I don't understand

saying 'microwave is yang' - ??

Maybe microwave is more yin or yang than stove cooking...

I notice microwave cooking the food from the interior (yin) vs. fire cooking

from the outside (yang)... I could say from this perspective that microwave

cooks in a more yin way in comparison to fire. I have never seen charred

food from a microwave, although I don't cook with one...

But one might make the parameters different and view the cooking from an end

result, therefore one might say microwaves cook food and leave them more

yang than yin... (i.e. yin xu) (Just hypothetically- I wouldn't necessarily

agree with this statement)... One must be clear about what one is

comparing... Broad statements like this or that is yin or yang seem unclear

to me...

 

-

Ask yourselves: How does one recognize YANG???

 

Moves things,

Warms things,

Wraps things,

transforms,

transports.

 

TCM 101. :-)

 

Getting the message...

 

Just cause there is no visible fire...

 

Rapid movement (stimulus) which produces Heat... sound very yang to me.

 

And as any heat... will volatize fluids and cause dehydration... in this

case very rapidly. Seconds count. Microwave cooking is very surgical in

nature... less room for mistakes in terms of time.

Lots of factors effect the way cooking including density of the food.

 

Eagle

 

 

Al Stone [alstone]

Monday, January 15, 2001 1:15 PM

 

Re: Re: microwaved herbs

 

 

 

 

wrote:

 

> Burns the yin? I don't know what that means, except that, in my

> understanding, microwaves are a more yang cooking method than regular

fire.

 

More Yang? How do you see that?

 

Microwave energy acts only on the yin, since it stimulates molecular

movement in the water of the food or tea. I don't know if that suggests

that the microwave cooking is more yin or yang, but it certainly does

act on the yin exclusively.

 

I guess you could say that it is more Yang since the heating is done

through something less physical than fire or hot coals.

 

--

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<AlStone

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in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services,

including board approved online continuing education.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Ask yourselves: How does one recognize YANG???

 

Moves things,

Warms things,

Wraps things,

transforms,

transports.

 

TCM 101. :-)

 

Getting the message...

 

Just cause there is no visible fire...

 

Rapid movement (stimulus) which produces Heat... sound very yang to me.

 

And as any heat... will volatize fluids and cause dehydration... in this

case very rapidly. Seconds count. Microwave cooking is very surgical in

nature... less room for mistakes in terms of time.

Lots of factors effect the way cooking including density of the food.

 

Eagle

 

 

Al Stone [alstone]

Monday, January 15, 2001 1:15 PM

 

Re: Re: microwaved herbs

 

 

 

 

wrote:

 

> Burns the yin? I don't know what that means, except that, in my

> understanding, microwaves are a more yang cooking method than regular

fire.

 

More Yang? How do you see that?

 

Microwave energy acts only on the yin, since it stimulates molecular

movement in the water of the food or tea. I don't know if that suggests

that the microwave cooking is more yin or yang, but it certainly does

act on the yin exclusively.

 

I guess you could say that it is more Yang since the heating is done

through something less physical than fire or hot coals.

 

--

Al Stone L.Ac.

<AlStone

http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com

 

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare

practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing

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[Guest guest]

, " Eagle " <eagle@v...> wrote:

> Ask yourselves: How does one recognize YANG???

>

> Moves things,

> Warms things,

> Wraps things,

> transforms,

> transports.

>

> TCM 101. :-)

>

> Getting the message...

>

> Just cause there is no visible fire...

>

> Rapid movement (stimulus) which produces Heat... sound very yang to me.

 

I have to revise something I said earlier. I do think microwaves are

definitely a yang process, as is all cooking. As to whether it is more

yang depends on what angle one looks at it. Since it use no

substantial fuel like wood or boiling water,it would seem less yin than

those in some ways. On the other hand, it does seem to leave food

moist, like gross mushy bread. It doesn't toast or dry things like

other forms of cooking heat. Also, electric ranges also use an

insubtantial fuel source, electricity, but electricity comes from

either very substantial sources, like coal,or less substantial ones

like natural gas. I don't think it is possible to sort this out. wood

heat is very drying to air in a room, while microwaving only affects

the food in the oven, so which is more yang. who can say? With all

due respect to htose who want to sort out this issue (and be my guest),

 

I still remain more concerned whether microwaves actually alter the

food in a profound way and I think the evidence is strong that

microwave cooking alters food less conventional oven cooking in every

way from maintaining vitamin content to being less mutagenic. I just

hate the way food tastes from it. but then I like my pasta al dente

and most americans seem happy with al mushe (yes,I invented that term),

but I doubt there is much difference in nutrition between the two. the

vitamins all go down the drain with the water either way. Until I see

any evidence that microwaving food is unsafe, I'll defer to my patients

cooking choices.

 

Z'ev suggests that since microwaving is new,it should be regarded with

more suspicion. I'll suggest that barbecuing is old and was used for

thousands of years before we realized it causes cancer. I'd lay odds

that many folks who are scared of microwaves still savor barbecued food

without a second thought,even though the evidence against the latter is

overwhelming. The fact is many traditional cultural practices were

barbaric, health damaging or environmentally unsound. Natural isn't

always better and only science is able to sort it out. This is not to

say that new is better,but only careful examination of evidence can

lead to fair conclusion.

 

[Guest guest]

, " Eagle " <eagle@v...> wrote:

> And where do you get this information from...

> Infants failed to thrive???

 

This is a common belief, but I do not believe any controlled study has

ever been done. I could find nothing on medline. On the other hand,

numerous studies show microwaves do NOT alter proteins and the reason

avoid microwaving formula is to avoid scalding the infant. Damage to

nutients depends on temperature alone, it seems and modern microwaves

which can be adjusted for power consistently do better than other forms

of cooking for ALL nutrient retention. If a study ever actually showed

failure to thrive, it is now considerd an artifact of overheating that

has nothing to do with microwaves, per se. It would just as bad to

boil formula for an hour. One study referred to complete protectionof

immunogloubulins in breast milk when heated in microwave to 65 C and

complete destruction at 77 C.

 

[Guest guest]

on 1/18/01 3:42 PM, at wrote:

 

 

 

>

> I still remain more concerned whether microwaves actually alter the

> food in a profound way and I think the evidence is strong that

> microwave cooking alters food less conventional oven cooking in every

> way from maintaining vitamin content to being less mutagenic. I just

> hate the way food tastes from it. but then I like my pasta al dente

> and most americans seem happy with al mushe (yes,I invented that term),

> but I doubt there is much difference in nutrition between the two. the

> vitamins all go down the drain with the water either way. Until I see

> any evidence that microwaving food is unsafe, I'll defer to my patients

> cooking choices.

 

 

While there are no studies done on qi (the closest I've seen are the effects

of different ways of cooking and cooking vessels by Rudolf Hauschka in

nutrition), both Ayurvedic medicine and Chinese medicine discuss the

importance of proper food preparation as to time cooked, vessels used,

combination of ingredients, etc. One source (not remembered) says that

recooking certain foods wrecks the qi.

>

> Z'ev suggests that since microwaving is new,it should be regarded with

> more suspicion. I'll suggest that barbecuing is old and was used for

> thousands of years before we realized it causes cancer. I'd lay odds

> that many folks who are scared of microwaves still savor barbecued food

> without a second thought,even though the evidence against the latter is

> overwhelming. The fact is many traditional cultural practices were

> barbaric, health damaging or environmentally unsound. Natural isn't

> always better and only science is able to sort it out. This is not to

> say that new is better,but only careful examination of evidence can

> lead to fair conclusion.

 

Even barbecuing is a subject that has more detail that has to be considered

before drawing conclusions. In your outdoor modern barbecues, you have the

factor of lighter fluid to deal with, plus different methods that are more

or less direct or indirect.

 

But no, I never recommend barbecuing or use it myself.

 

Many traditional practices may be 'barbaric', or damaging to health, but it

is unavoidable that as technologies have developed, we have also increased

the potential for destruction, from nuclear bombs to DDT. Everyone thought

DDT was a great invention at first, now 90% of Americans apparently have DDT

in their body fat. It is the degree in which we indiscriminately accept new

technologies that is the problem.

 

 

[Guest guest]

 

 

 

" It is the degree in which we indiscriminately accept new technologies that

is the problem. "

 

Zev, I heartily agree that this is a problem and feel that the Natural

Products Industry is often guilty of this because they are always looking

for a new fad to promote. To me, Canola oil is a good example of this

problem. Immunolabs in Florida (they perform a lot of allergy testing from

blood samples) has pointed out that a high percentage of people are turning

out to be allergic to canola. From my experience the symptoms most commonly

seen from canola are liver wind and yang ascending causing insomnia. No

amount of acupuncture or herbs will cure problems like this until the insult

is removed. Consequently, TCM or the practitioner can be perceived to have

failed. Unfortunately the cause and effect of many modern pollutants, like

electromagnetic fields or microwaves are so difficult to correlate with a

disease or specific symptoms using traditional research methods that mass

public exposure, often for long periods of time, are used to weed out the

bad ideas after it is too late for the many willing though unwitting human

guinea pigs. But that's part of the evolutionary process that society has

used by default since the beginning of time.

 

Stephen

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Z'ev said:

One source (not remembered) says thatrecooking certain foods wrecks the qi.

Yes -- I don't remember the source for that either -- and I find that foods cooked in the microwave are in generally less flavorful and have less aroma -- all signs of diminished qi.

Catherine

[Guest guest]

Very very interesting....hmmmm....I'll investigate

futher

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Put a piece of bread in a microwave...

it either turns to charcoal...

or explodes into flames....

 

Eagle

 

 

[]

Wednesday, January 17, 2001 11:41 PM

 

RE: Re: microwaved herbs

 

I have never seen charred

food from a microwave, although I don't cook with one...

[Guest guest]

I believe the University of Minnesota was the original source for the

infants getting fewer nutrients from breast milk and filing to thrive in

an environment where all milk was only microwaved. I think I've seen

some vetinary information on microwaving calf's milk, but I can't put my

finger on it.

 

Microwaving has been shown to reduce vitamin B complex, vitamins C and E,

essential minerals and lipotropics. It is suspected to increas D-amino

acids where L-AAs are preferred.

 

Karen Vaughan

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