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Hi, a patient's 9 yr old dog has been diagnosed with bone cancer in both

hind-legs.

I referred them to a vet acupuncturist who said the diagnosis is toxic damp

heat.

As far as we know, the cancer has not spread to other parts of the body.

 

Are there any Chinese herbs that are known to be used specifically for bone

cancers?

 

The base formula given was Ban xia bai zhu tian ma tang with additions of

Bai hua she she cao,

Mu li, Zhe bei mu and San leng.

 

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one thing to think about is to be sure that you include herbs that go to the

bones as envoys: gu sui bu in particular.

 

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On Apr 13, 2010, at 12:07 AM, wrote:

 

> Hi, a patient's 9 yr old dog has been diagnosed with bone cancer in both

> hind-legs.

> I referred them to a vet acupuncturist who said the diagnosis is toxic damp

> heat.

> As far as we know, the cancer has not spread to other parts of the body.

>

> Are there any Chinese herbs that are known to be used specifically for bone

> cancers?

>

> The base formula given was Ban xia bai zhu tian ma tang with additions of

> Bai hua she she cao,

> Mu li, Zhe bei mu and San leng.

>

> K

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Good idea... sometimes we forget about these guiding herbs.

 

I found this online:

http://altered-states.net/barry/cancer/Cancer_formulas1.pdf

 

K

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 6:44 AM, cara <herbbabe wrote:

 

> one thing to think about is to be sure that you include herbs that go to

> the bones as envoys: gu sui bu in particular.

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> Cara

> On Apr 13, 2010, at 12:07 AM, wrote:

>

> > Hi, a patient's 9 yr old dog has been diagnosed with bone cancer in both

> > hind-legs.

> > I referred them to a vet acupuncturist who said the diagnosis is toxic

> damp

> > heat.

> > As far as we know, the cancer has not spread to other parts of the body.

> >

> > Are there any Chinese herbs that are known to be used specifically for

> bone

> > cancers?

> >

> > The base formula given was Ban xia bai zhu tian ma tang with additions of

> > Bai hua she she cao,

> > Mu li, Zhe bei mu and San leng.

> >

> > K

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> > ""

> >

> >

> > www.tcmreview.com

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Hi there....

 

Re. osteosarcoma in the dog:  very unusual to be bilateral; have they biopsied

these lesions?  OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and usually lung

mets first.  Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to us, they've

already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment.  CT's may/will

show more definition than radiographs of course, and ultrasound at least of

abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these are phenomenally painful

neoplasias.   For general info, see www.veterinarypartners.com.  I would be

thinking of hoxsey-like formula and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang

Herbal's Bone Stasis formula (tcvmherbal.com).  Also consider the dog's tcm

pattern diagnosis, of course, in approaching a formula.  AP will be helpful with

pain and mobility support.  Some use IV Vitamin C.  Antioxidants are helpful,

and for quality of life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based,

home cooked regimen.  Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient,

starve the tumor.!

 

Good l.uck...

 

Robin Valentine

 

 

 

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A Rife device called the Beam Ray is now FDA approved for veterinary use and it

has a high efficacy in cancer treatment. It is now also FDA approved as an

experimental device for use on humans and I use it with good results in my

clinic.

 

 

 

This device was invented by Royal Raymond Rife and you can google his name and

work.

 

 

 

Hope this helps,

 

 

 

Dr. Don J. Snow,

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

RCVVMD

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:47:03 -0400

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Hi there....

 

Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they biopsied

these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and usually lung

mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to us, they've

already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment. CT's may/will

show more definition than radiographs of course, and ultrasound at least of

abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these are phenomenally painful

neoplasias. For general info, see www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be

thinking of hoxsey-like formula and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang

Herbal's Bone Stasis formula (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm

pattern diagnosis, of course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with

pain and mobility support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful,

and for quality of life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based,

home cooked regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient,

starve the tumor.!

 

Good l.uck...

 

Robin Valentine

 

 

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Aren't tumors in need of protein to grow and make tissue? Reminds me of

macrobiotic successes with cancer, low protein (vegetable sources only, no

animal).

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

 

Chinese Medicine

RCVVMD

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:47:03 -0400

Re:herbs for bone cancer

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi there....

 

 

 

Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they biopsied

these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and usually lung

mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to us, they've

already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment. CT's may/will

show more definition than radiographs of course, and ultrasound at least of

abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these are phenomenally painful

neoplasias. For general info, see www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be

thinking of hoxsey-like formula and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang

Herbal's Bone Stasis formula (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm

pattern diagnosis, of course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with

pain and mobility support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful,

and for quality of life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based,

home cooked regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient,

starve the tumor.!

 

 

 

Good l.uck...

 

 

 

Robin Valentine

 

 

 

 

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The vet recommended very high supplementation of Vitamin A and D

and as much Liver as the dog can eat....

anyone understand why this would be helpful or not for this kind of cancer?

 

K

 

 

 

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 7:54 AM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1wrote:

 

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> Aren't tumors in need of protein to grow and make tissue? Reminds me of

> macrobiotic successes with cancer, low protein (vegetable sources only, no

> animal).

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> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

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> Chinese Medicine

> RCVVMD

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:47:03 -0400

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> Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they

> biopsied these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and

> usually lung mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to

> us, they've already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment.

> CT's may/will show more definition than radiographs of course, and

> ultrasound at least of abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these are

> phenomenally painful neoplasias. For general info, see

> www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like formula

> and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis formula

> (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis, of

> course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and mobility

> support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and for quality

> of life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based, home cooked

> regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient, starve the

> tumor.!

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> Good l.uck...

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> Robin Valentine

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what makes sense reading this is that vitamins A and D facilitate the absorption

of Calcium---> regeneration of the bone

Liver and Kidney share the same source----> regeneration of the bone

g.

 

 

 

 

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Tue, April 13, 2010 8:26:58 AM

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The vet recommended very high supplementation of Vitamin A and D

and as much Liver as the dog can eat....

anyone understand why this would be helpful or not for this kind of cancer?

 

K

 

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 7:54 AM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1@ hotmail.com>wrote:

 

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> Aren't tumors in need of protein to grow and make tissue? Reminds me of

> macrobiotic successes with cancer, low protein (vegetable sources only, no

> animal).

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> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

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> Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they

> biopsied these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and

> usually lung mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to

> us, they've already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment.

> CT's may/will show more definition than radiographs of course, and

> ultrasound at least of abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these are

> phenomenally painful neoplasias. For general info, see

> www.veterinarypartn ers.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like formula

> and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis formula

> (tcvmherbal. com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis, of

> course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and mobility

> support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and for quality

> of life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based, home cooked

> regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient, starve the

> tumor.!

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> Good l.uck...

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> Robin Valentine

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Cancer cells no longer use oxidation to create energy, they undergo gycolosis.

In other words, cancer loves sugars and cancer is anaerobic. That is why

laetril is anti-cancer. Glycolosis releases cyanide into the cancer which kills

it. Health cells burn oxygen that won't allow the cyanide to hydolize.

Therefore, the cyanide doesn't affect a healthy cell. You want to kill cancer,

not just make it unwelcome. However, you don't want to interfere with normal

cells.

 

 

 

For some of the best treatments for cancer: human or animal, buy a book called

" Cancer; Step Outside the Box " written by Tye Bollinger. It is wonderful and

will tell you the treatment for the stage of cancer. I have various cancer

patients I treated 6 or 7 years ago that are still cancer free. Some had bone

cancer, metastatic prostate cancer, and lung cancer. Since it is illegal for

anyone but an MD to treat cancer, I treat the symptoms. If the cancer happens

to go away, that's fine. I also never charge a cancer patient. However, if I

am treating pain only, I do charge.

 

 

 

Hope this helps,

 

 

 

Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

 

 

 

Hope it helps

 

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> naturaldoc1

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:54:45 +0000

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> Aren't tumors in need of protein to grow and make tissue? Reminds me of

macrobiotic successes with cancer, low protein (vegetable sources only, no

animal).

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> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

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> Chinese Medicine

> RCVVMD

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:47:03 -0400

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> Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they biopsied

these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and usually lung mets

first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to us, they've already

metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment. CT's may/will show more

definition than radiographs of course, and ultrasound at least of abdomen for

other mets abnormalities. Also these are phenomenally painful neoplasias. For

general info, see www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like

formula and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis

formula (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis, of

course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and mobility

support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and for quality of

life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based, home cooked regimen.

Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient, starve the tumor.!

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> Good l.uck...

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> Robin Valentine

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Don,

 

It appears that cancer (w/tumors) needs both simplified sugar and protein. I

mentioned macrobiotics, as it has had some successes with " healing " cancer.

They suggest a low protein, no animal source protein, as well as complex

carbohydrates. These digest more slowly and allow the nutrients to be used by

the patient and not for cancer growth. IMO, the best way to kill it is to

starve it, and leave the healthy cells alone.

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

 

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine

don83407

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:05:07 -0500

RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cancer cells no longer use oxidation to create energy, they undergo gycolosis.

In other words, cancer loves sugars and cancer is anaerobic. That is why

laetril is anti-cancer. Glycolosis releases cyanide into the cancer which kills

it. Health cells burn oxygen that won't allow the cyanide to hydolize.

Therefore, the cyanide doesn't affect a healthy cell. You want to kill cancer,

not just make it unwelcome. However, you don't want to interfere with normal

cells.

 

 

 

For some of the best treatments for cancer: human or animal, buy a book called

" Cancer; Step Outside the Box " written by Tye Bollinger. It is wonderful and

will tell you the treatment for the stage of cancer. I have various cancer

patients I treated 6 or 7 years ago that are still cancer free. Some had bone

cancer, metastatic prostate cancer, and lung cancer. Since it is illegal for

anyone but an MD to treat cancer, I treat the symptoms. If the cancer happens

to go away, that's fine. I also never charge a cancer patient. However, if I

am treating pain only, I do charge.

 

 

 

Hope this helps,

 

 

 

Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

 

 

 

Hope it helps

 

 

 

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

 

> naturaldoc1

 

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:54:45 +0000

 

> RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

 

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> Aren't tumors in need of protein to grow and make tissue? Reminds me of

macrobiotic successes with cancer, low protein (vegetable sources only, no

animal).

 

>

 

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

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> Chinese Medicine

 

> RCVVMD

 

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:47:03 -0400

 

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> Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they biopsied

these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and usually lung mets

first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to us, they've already

metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment. CT's may/will show more

definition than radiographs of course, and ultrasound at least of abdomen for

other mets abnormalities. Also these are phenomenally painful neoplasias. For

general info, see www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like

formula and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis

formula (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis, of

course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and mobility

support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and for quality of

life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based, home cooked regimen.

Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient, starve the tumor.!

 

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> Good l.uck...

 

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So, I've heard differing views from separate oncologists....

One says don't eat any liver (for a human patient)

Another says eat as much liver as you can (for a dog patient)

 

What are your views on eating liver for bone cancer?

What about for other cancers?

 

K

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:45 AM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1wrote:

 

>

> Don,

>

> It appears that cancer (w/tumors) needs both simplified sugar and protein.

> I mentioned macrobiotics, as it has had some successes with " healing "

> cancer. They suggest a low protein, no animal source protein, as well as

> complex carbohydrates. These digest more slowly and allow the nutrients to

> be used by the patient and not for cancer growth. IMO, the best way to kill

> it is to starve it, and leave the healthy cells alone.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

>

>

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> don83407

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:05:07 -0500

> RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

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Cancer cells no longer use oxidation to create energy, they undergo

> gycolosis. In other words, cancer loves sugars and cancer is anaerobic.

> That is why laetril is anti-cancer. Glycolosis releases cyanide into the

> cancer which kills it. Health cells burn oxygen that won't allow the

> cyanide to hydolize. Therefore, the cyanide doesn't affect a healthy cell.

> You want to kill cancer, not just make it unwelcome. However, you don't

> want to interfere with normal cells.

>

>

>

> For some of the best treatments for cancer: human or animal, buy a book

> called " Cancer; Step Outside the Box " written by Tye Bollinger. It is

> wonderful and will tell you the treatment for the stage of cancer. I have

> various cancer patients I treated 6 or 7 years ago that are still cancer

> free. Some had bone cancer, metastatic prostate cancer, and lung cancer.

> Since it is illegal for anyone but an MD to treat cancer, I treat the

> symptoms. If the cancer happens to go away, that's fine. I also never

> charge a cancer patient. However, if I am treating pain only, I do charge.

>

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> Hope this helps,

>

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> Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

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> Hope it helps

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> animal).

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> biopsied these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and

> usually lung mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to

> us, they've already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment.

> CT's may/will show more definition than radiographs of course, and

> ultrasound at least of abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these are

> phenomenally painful neoplasias. For general info, see

> www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like formula

> and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis formula

> (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis, of

> course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and mobility

> support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and for quality of

> life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based, home cooked

> regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient, starve the

> tumor.!

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> > Good l.uck...

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K,

 

I have a couple of concerns with the cancer issue:

 

1) It appears that the cancer is growing (gaining strength) as the patient is

losing vitality. A meal of organ meats would also tonify the pathogen and do

little for the patient. The strategies that appear to do the best are

supplementing of nutrients (vitamins, minerals, enzymes) while keeping protein

low and avoiding animal protein altogether, at least while things are active.

Kiyoshi Kato, George Ohsawa and Max Gerson have helped a lot of people with

nutrition.

 

2) And we cannot treat cancer. We must be very careful when working with

patients with cancer. I can see a large issue if the patient is only looking at

you for help. In that case, I would have to pass.

 

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:52:39 -0700

Re: Re:herbs for bone cancer

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, I've heard differing views from separate oncologists....

 

One says don't eat any liver (for a human patient)

 

Another says eat as much liver as you can (for a dog patient)

 

 

 

What are your views on eating liver for bone cancer?

 

What about for other cancers?

 

 

 

K

 

 

 

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:45 AM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

> Don,

 

>

 

> It appears that cancer (w/tumors) needs both simplified sugar and protein.

 

> I mentioned macrobiotics, as it has had some successes with " healing "

 

> cancer. They suggest a low protein, no animal source protein, as well as

 

> complex carbohydrates. These digest more slowly and allow the nutrients to

 

> be used by the patient and not for cancer growth. IMO, the best way to kill

 

> it is to starve it, and leave the healthy cells alone.

 

>

 

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

 

> don83407

 

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:05:07 -0500

 

> RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

 

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> Cancer cells no longer use oxidation to create energy, they undergo

 

> gycolosis. In other words, cancer loves sugars and cancer is anaerobic.

 

> That is why laetril is anti-cancer. Glycolosis releases cyanide into the

 

> cancer which kills it. Health cells burn oxygen that won't allow the

 

> cyanide to hydolize. Therefore, the cyanide doesn't affect a healthy cell.

 

> You want to kill cancer, not just make it unwelcome. However, you don't

 

> want to interfere with normal cells.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> For some of the best treatments for cancer: human or animal, buy a book

 

> called " Cancer; Step Outside the Box " written by Tye Bollinger. It is

 

> wonderful and will tell you the treatment for the stage of cancer. I have

 

> various cancer patients I treated 6 or 7 years ago that are still cancer

 

> free. Some had bone cancer, metastatic prostate cancer, and lung cancer.

 

> Since it is illegal for anyone but an MD to treat cancer, I treat the

 

> symptoms. If the cancer happens to go away, that's fine. I also never

 

> charge a cancer patient. However, if I am treating pain only, I do charge.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Hope this helps,

 

>

 

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> Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

 

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> Hope it helps

 

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> biopsied these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and

 

> usually lung mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to

 

> us, they've already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment.

 

> CT's may/will show more definition than radiographs of course, and

 

> ultrasound at least of abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these are

 

> phenomenally painful neoplasias. For general info, see

 

> www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like formula

 

> and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis formula

 

> (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis, of

 

> course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and mobility

 

> support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and for quality of

 

> life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based, home cooked

 

> regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient, starve the

 

> tumor.!

 

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Mike,

Like I said, I referred the patient's dog to a vet acupuncturist, who is

treating the dog with acupuncture and he gave an herbal script and vitamin

and food recommendations.

 

I'm investigating the dietary directions that were given.

Also, if there are herbs that have been researched to be helpful for bone

cancers

I'm all ears. I'll be discussing the herbal regimen with the vet, who is

the physician in this case.

I'm taking the opportunity to learn more about the condition.

 

What's the low down on supplementation of the body with liver during cancer?

Of course, it must be from a clean source.. organic,

what other considerations are there?

 

Yang he tang jia wei was used for metastatic bone cancers:

http://www.chineseherbs.com/?action-viewnews-itemid-22

 

K

 

 

 

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:21 PM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1wrote:

 

K,

>

> I have a couple of concerns with the cancer issue:

>

> 1) It appears that the cancer is growing (gaining strength) as the patient

> is losing vitality. A meal of organ meats would also tonify the pathogen

> and do little for the patient. The strategies that appear to do the best

> are supplementing of nutrients (vitamins, minerals, enzymes) while keeping

> protein low and avoiding animal protein altogether, at least while things

> are active. Kiyoshi Kato, George Ohsawa and Max Gerson have helped a lot of

> people with nutrition.

>

> 2) And we cannot treat cancer. We must be very careful when working with

> patients with cancer. I can see a large issue if the patient is only

> looking at you for help. In that case, I would have to pass.

>

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Medicine

> johnkokko

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:52:39 -0700

> Re: Re:herbs for bone cancer

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> One says don't eat any liver (for a human patient)

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> Another says eat as much liver as you can (for a dog patient)

>

>

>

> What are your views on eating liver for bone cancer?

>

> What about for other cancers?

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>

> K

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> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:45 AM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1

> >wrote:

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> > Don,

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> >

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> > It appears that cancer (w/tumors) needs both simplified sugar and

> protein.

>

> > I mentioned macrobiotics, as it has had some successes with " healing "

>

> > cancer. They suggest a low protein, no animal source protein, as well as

>

> > complex carbohydrates. These digest more slowly and allow the nutrients

> to

>

> > be used by the patient and not for cancer growth. IMO, the best way to

> kill

>

> > it is to starve it, and leave the healthy cells alone.

>

> >

>

> > Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Chinese Traditional Medicine

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> > don83407

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> > Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:05:07 -0500

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> > RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

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> > Cancer cells no longer use oxidation to create energy, they undergo

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> > gycolosis. In other words, cancer loves sugars and cancer is anaerobic.

>

> > That is why laetril is anti-cancer. Glycolosis releases cyanide into

> the

>

> > cancer which kills it. Health cells burn oxygen that won't allow the

>

> > cyanide to hydolize. Therefore, the cyanide doesn't affect a healthy

> cell.

>

> > You want to kill cancer, not just make it unwelcome. However, you don't

>

> > want to interfere with normal cells.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > For some of the best treatments for cancer: human or animal, buy a book

>

> > called " Cancer; Step Outside the Box " written by Tye Bollinger. It is

>

> > wonderful and will tell you the treatment for the stage of cancer. I

> have

>

> > various cancer patients I treated 6 or 7 years ago that are still cancer

>

> > free. Some had bone cancer, metastatic prostate cancer, and lung cancer.

>

> > Since it is illegal for anyone but an MD to treat cancer, I treat the

>

> > symptoms. If the cancer happens to go away, that's fine. I also never

>

> > charge a cancer patient. However, if I am treating pain only, I do

> charge.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Hope this helps,

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Hope it helps

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > > Chinese Traditional Medicine

>

> >

>

> > > naturaldoc1

>

> >

>

> > > Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:54:45 +0000

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> >

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> > > RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

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> > > Aren't tumors in need of protein to grow and make tissue? Reminds me of

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> > macrobiotic successes with cancer, low protein (vegetable sources only,

> no

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> > animal).

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> > > Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

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> > > Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they

>

> > biopsied these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and

>

> > usually lung mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident

> to

>

> > us, they've already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the

> moment.

>

> > CT's may/will show more definition than radiographs of course, and

>

> > ultrasound at least of abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these

> are

>

> > phenomenally painful neoplasias. For general info, see

>

> > www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like formula

>

> > and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis

> formula

>

> > (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis, of

>

> > course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and

> mobility

>

> > support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and for quality

> of

>

> > life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based, home cooked

>

> > regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient, starve the

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Hi Robin,

they have not biopsied the lesions yet.

The vet on the case also recommended carbohydrate reduction,

high Vitamin A and D supplementation

and eating as much clean liver as possible.

What's your take on this?

 

K

 

 

 

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:47 AM, rcvvmd <RCVVMD wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi there....

>

> Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they

> biopsied these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and

> usually lung mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to

> us, they've already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment.

> CT's may/will show more definition than radiographs of course, and

> ultrasound at least of abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these are

> phenomenally painful neoplasias. For general info, see

> www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like formula

> and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis formula

> (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis, of

> course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and mobility

> support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and for quality

> of life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based, home cooked

> regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient, starve the

> tumor.!

>

> Good l.uck...

>

> Robin Valentine

>

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Donald,

I worked with a naturopath about a decade ago who was really into Rife's

work.

Wasn't it effective in cancer remission and forced off the market by the

feds ?

Interesting that it's FDA approved as an experimental device.

How come it was made illegal for use in the United States when it isn't

invasive or physically dangerous? At worst, it seems to be placebo and at

best, an effective medical tool.

 

K

 

 

 

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Donald Snow <don83407 wrote:

 

>

> A Rife device called the Beam Ray is now FDA approved for veterinary use

> and it has a high efficacy in cancer treatment. It is now also FDA approved

> as an experimental device for use on humans and I use it with good results

> in my clinic.

>

>

>

> This device was invented by Royal Raymond Rife and you can google his name

> and work.

>

>

>

> Hope this helps,

>

>

>

> Dr. Don J. Snow,

>

>

>

> Chinese Medicine

> RCVVMD

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:47:03 -0400

> Re:herbs for bone cancer

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi there....

>

> Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they

> biopsied these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and

> usually lung mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to

> us, they've already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment.

> CT's may/will show more definition than radiographs of course, and

> ultrasound at least of abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these are

> phenomenally painful neoplasias. For general info, see

> www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like formula

> and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis formula

> (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis, of

> course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and mobility

> support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and for quality

> of life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based, home cooked

> regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient, starve the

> tumor.!

>

> Good l.uck...

>

> Robin Valentine

>

>

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Part of the issue is around supplementing blood. This is a very negotiable

issue. Pattern discrimination has to come first, but then there are particular

issues around the blood you have to consider. It would be useful to also run

some blood work - a CBC, iron panel, copper, and ceruloplasmin at the very

least. You need to know about iron and copper status, and acute phase proteins.

I don't mean to get off a Chinese medical perspective on this, but it really is

useful to know these things. I don't know how else you would know them with a

dog. It is sometimes important to not put too much iron into the system, both

because of its oxidative capacity and because in some cases cancer really uses

it to grow. Think of it in CM terms similar to the topic of supplementing

during an external invasion.

 

You cannot starve cancer by the way. There are so many perspectives on this

topic it is not even funny. Most come from sources that have no evidence base

to them - dogma and hearsay. It all depends on the individual, just like

verything else in CM.

 

Robert

 

 

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Chinese Medicine

Tuesday, April 13, 2010 12:52 PM

Re: Re:herbs for bone cancer

 

 

 

So, I've heard differing views from separate oncologists....

One says don't eat any liver (for a human patient)

Another says eat as much liver as you can (for a dog patient)

 

What are your views on eating liver for bone cancer?

What about for other cancers?

 

K

 

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:45 AM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1wrote:

 

>

> Don,

>

> It appears that cancer (w/tumors) needs both simplified sugar and protein.

> I mentioned macrobiotics, as it has had some successes with " healing "

> cancer. They suggest a low protein, no animal source protein, as well as

> complex carbohydrates. These digest more slowly and allow the nutrients to

> be used by the patient and not for cancer growth. IMO, the best way to kill

> it is to starve it, and leave the healthy cells alone.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

>

>

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> don83407

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:05:07 -0500

> RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Cancer cells no longer use oxidation to create energy, they undergo

> gycolosis. In other words, cancer loves sugars and cancer is anaerobic.

> That is why laetril is anti-cancer. Glycolosis releases cyanide into the

> cancer which kills it. Health cells burn oxygen that won't allow the

> cyanide to hydolize. Therefore, the cyanide doesn't affect a healthy cell.

> You want to kill cancer, not just make it unwelcome. However, you don't

> want to interfere with normal cells.

>

>

>

> For some of the best treatments for cancer: human or animal, buy a book

> called " Cancer; Step Outside the Box " written by Tye Bollinger. It is

> wonderful and will tell you the treatment for the stage of cancer. I have

> various cancer patients I treated 6 or 7 years ago that are still cancer

> free. Some had bone cancer, metastatic prostate cancer, and lung cancer.

> Since it is illegal for anyone but an MD to treat cancer, I treat the

> symptoms. If the cancer happens to go away, that's fine. I also never

> charge a cancer patient. However, if I am treating pain only, I do charge.

>

>

>

> Hope this helps,

>

>

>

> Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

>

>

>

> Hope it helps

>

>

>

> > Chinese Traditional Medicine

>

> > naturaldoc1

>

> > Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:54:45 +0000

>

> > RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Aren't tumors in need of protein to grow and make tissue? Reminds me of

> macrobiotic successes with cancer, low protein (vegetable sources only, no

> animal).

>

> >

>

> > Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Chinese Medicine

>

> > RCVVMD

>

> > Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:47:03 -0400

>

> > Re:herbs for bone cancer

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> > Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they

> biopsied these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and

> usually lung mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to

> us, they've already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment.

> CT's may/will show more definition than radiographs of course, and

> ultrasound at least of abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these are

> phenomenally painful neoplasias. For general info, see

> www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like formula

> and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis formula

> (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis, of

> course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and mobility

> support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and for quality of

> life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based, home cooked

> regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient, starve the

> tumor.!

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Good l.uck...

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Robin Valentine

>

> >

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K,

 

I would think it might be due to the high levels of vitamin A, can be toxic.

Also found this pdf on meat from long ago.

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/reprint/28/1/35.pdf

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

 

 

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johnkokko

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Mike,

 

Like I said, I referred the patient's dog to a vet acupuncturist, who is

 

treating the dog with acupuncture and he gave an herbal script and vitamin

 

and food recommendations.

 

 

 

I'm investigating the dietary directions that were given.

 

Also, if there are herbs that have been researched to be helpful for bone

 

cancers

 

I'm all ears. I'll be discussing the herbal regimen with the vet, who is

 

the physician in this case.

 

I'm taking the opportunity to learn more about the condition.

 

 

 

What's the low down on supplementation of the body with liver during cancer?

 

Of course, it must be from a clean source.. organic,

 

what other considerations are there?

 

 

 

Yang he tang jia wei was used for metastatic bone cancers:

 

http://www.chineseherbs.com/?action-viewnews-itemid-22

 

 

 

K

 

 

 

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:21 PM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> K,

 

>

 

> I have a couple of concerns with the cancer issue:

 

>

 

> 1) It appears that the cancer is growing (gaining strength) as the patient

 

> is losing vitality. A meal of organ meats would also tonify the pathogen

 

> and do little for the patient. The strategies that appear to do the best

 

> are supplementing of nutrients (vitamins, minerals, enzymes) while keeping

 

> protein low and avoiding animal protein altogether, at least while things

 

> are active. Kiyoshi Kato, George Ohsawa and Max Gerson have helped a lot of

 

> people with nutrition.

 

>

 

> 2) And we cannot treat cancer. We must be very careful when working with

 

> patients with cancer. I can see a large issue if the patient is only

 

> looking at you for help. In that case, I would have to pass.

 

>

 

>

 

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

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> So, I've heard differing views from separate oncologists....

 

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> One says don't eat any liver (for a human patient)

 

>

 

> Another says eat as much liver as you can (for a dog patient)

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> What are your views on eating liver for bone cancer?

 

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> What about for other cancers?

 

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> > It appears that cancer (w/tumors) needs both simplified sugar and

 

> protein.

 

>

 

> > I mentioned macrobiotics, as it has had some successes with " healing "

 

>

 

> > cancer. They suggest a low protein, no animal source protein, as well as

 

>

 

> > complex carbohydrates. These digest more slowly and allow the nutrients

 

> to

 

>

 

> > be used by the patient and not for cancer growth. IMO, the best way to

 

> kill

 

>

 

> > it is to starve it, and leave the healthy cells alone.

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

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> >

 

>

 

> > Chinese Traditional Medicine

 

>

 

> > don83407

 

>

 

> > Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:05:07 -0500

 

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> > RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

 

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> > Cancer cells no longer use oxidation to create energy, they undergo

 

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> > gycolosis. In other words, cancer loves sugars and cancer is anaerobic.

 

>

 

> > That is why laetril is anti-cancer. Glycolosis releases cyanide into

 

> the

 

>

 

> > cancer which kills it. Health cells burn oxygen that won't allow the

 

>

 

> > cyanide to hydolize. Therefore, the cyanide doesn't affect a healthy

 

> cell.

 

>

 

> > You want to kill cancer, not just make it unwelcome. However, you don't

 

>

 

> > want to interfere with normal cells.

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > For some of the best treatments for cancer: human or animal, buy a book

 

>

 

> > called " Cancer; Step Outside the Box " written by Tye Bollinger. It is

 

>

 

> > wonderful and will tell you the treatment for the stage of cancer. I

 

> have

 

>

 

> > various cancer patients I treated 6 or 7 years ago that are still cancer

 

>

 

> > free. Some had bone cancer, metastatic prostate cancer, and lung cancer.

 

>

 

> > Since it is illegal for anyone but an MD to treat cancer, I treat the

 

>

 

> > symptoms. If the cancer happens to go away, that's fine. I also never

 

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> > charge a cancer patient. However, if I am treating pain only, I do

 

> charge.

 

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> > biopsied these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and

 

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> > usually lung mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident

 

> to

 

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> > us, they've already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the

 

> moment.

 

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> > CT's may/will show more definition than radiographs of course, and

 

>

 

> > ultrasound at least of abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these

 

> are

 

>

 

> > phenomenally painful neoplasias. For general info, see

 

>

 

> > www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like formula

 

>

 

> > and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis

 

> formula

 

>

 

> > (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis, of

 

>

 

> > course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and

 

> mobility

 

>

 

> > support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and for quality

 

> of

 

>

 

> > life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based, home cooked

 

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> > regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient, starve the

 

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When did that get approved?

 

 

 

 

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" Donald Snow " <don83407

<Chinese Traditional Medicine >

Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:48 AM

RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

 

 

>

> A Rife device called the Beam Ray is now FDA approved for veterinary use

> and it has a high efficacy in cancer treatment. It is now also FDA

> approved as an experimental device for use on humans and I use it with

> good results in my clinic.

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> This device was invented by Royal Raymond Rife and you can google his name

> and work.

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> Hope this helps,

>

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>

> Dr. Don J. Snow,

>

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>

> Chinese Medicine

> RCVVMD

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:47:03 -0400

> Re:herbs for bone cancer

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi there....

>

> Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they

> biopsied these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and

> usually lung mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident

> to us, they've already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the

> moment. CT's may/will show more definition than radiographs of course,

> and ultrasound at least of abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also

> these are phenomenally painful neoplasias. For general info, see

> www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like formula

> and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis

> formula (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis,

> of course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and

> mobility support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and

> for quality of life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based,

> home cooked regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient,

> starve the tumor.!

>

> Good l.uck...

>

> Robin Valentine

>

>

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Tumors have very inefficient use of energy to grow and so do best with sugar or

carbs. Diets for cancer will not provide the cancer with easy energy. Dr. Wen at

White Crane Herbals his practice is in Hampton, NY, he should be consulted for

the dog with cancer. Dr. Wen has large cancer formulas of Chinese Herbs. Also

most of our tumors are diagnosed off of their xray presentations, not with

biopsies. Best not to touch or aggravate the tumor as that is all it needs to

really take off aggressively! Also Dr. Wen will be very amadanat about no

antioxidants while on herbal chemotherapy!

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

 

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> naturaldoc1

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:54:45 +0000

> RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

>

>

> Aren't tumors in need of protein to grow and make tissue? Reminds me of

macrobiotic successes with cancer, low protein (vegetable sources only, no

animal).

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

>

> Chinese Medicine

> RCVVMD

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:47:03 -0400

> Re:herbs for bone cancer

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Hi there....

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> Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they biopsied

these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and usually lung mets

first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to us, they've already

metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment. CT's may/will show more

definition than radiographs of course, and ultrasound at least of abdomen for

other mets abnormalities. Also these are phenomenally painful neoplasias. For

general info, see www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like

formula and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis

formula (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis, of

course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and mobility

support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and for quality of

life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based, home cooked regimen.

Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient, starve the tumor.!

>

>

>

> Good l.uck...

>

>

>

> Robin Valentine

>

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Flouride in the water is also a known contributor to bone cancer in both dogs

and human children.Especially osteosarcomas.

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Rkellerca

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:29:00 -0400

Re: Re:herbs for bone cancer

 

 

 

 

 

Part of the issue is around supplementing blood. This is a very negotiable

issue. Pattern discrimination has to come first, but then there are particular

issues around the blood you have to consider. It would be useful to also run

some blood work - a CBC, iron panel, copper, and ceruloplasmin at the very

least. You need to know about iron and copper status, and acute phase proteins.

I don't mean to get off a Chinese medical perspective on this, but it really is

useful to know these things. I don't know how else you would know them with a

dog. It is sometimes important to not put too much iron into the system, both

because of its oxidative capacity and because in some cases cancer really uses

it to grow. Think of it in CM terms similar to the topic of supplementing during

an external invasion.

 

You cannot starve cancer by the way. There are so many perspectives on this

topic it is not even funny. Most come from sources that have no evidence base to

them - dogma and hearsay. It all depends on the individual, just like verything

else in CM.

 

Robert

 

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Chinese Medicine

Tuesday, April 13, 2010 12:52 PM

Re: Re:herbs for bone cancer

 

So, I've heard differing views from separate oncologists....

One says don't eat any liver (for a human patient)

Another says eat as much liver as you can (for a dog patient)

 

What are your views on eating liver for bone cancer?

What about for other cancers?

 

K

 

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:45 AM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1wrote:

 

>

> Don,

>

> It appears that cancer (w/tumors) needs both simplified sugar and protein.

> I mentioned macrobiotics, as it has had some successes with " healing "

> cancer. They suggest a low protein, no animal source protein, as well as

> complex carbohydrates. These digest more slowly and allow the nutrients to

> be used by the patient and not for cancer growth. IMO, the best way to kill

> it is to starve it, and leave the healthy cells alone.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

>

>

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> don83407

> Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:05:07 -0500

> RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

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Cancer cells no longer use oxidation to create energy, they undergo

> gycolosis. In other words, cancer loves sugars and cancer is anaerobic.

> That is why laetril is anti-cancer. Glycolosis releases cyanide into the

> cancer which kills it. Health cells burn oxygen that won't allow the

> cyanide to hydolize. Therefore, the cyanide doesn't affect a healthy cell.

> You want to kill cancer, not just make it unwelcome. However, you don't

> want to interfere with normal cells.

>

>

>

> For some of the best treatments for cancer: human or animal, buy a book

> called " Cancer; Step Outside the Box " written by Tye Bollinger. It is

> wonderful and will tell you the treatment for the stage of cancer. I have

> various cancer patients I treated 6 or 7 years ago that are still cancer

> free. Some had bone cancer, metastatic prostate cancer, and lung cancer.

> Since it is illegal for anyone but an MD to treat cancer, I treat the

> symptoms. If the cancer happens to go away, that's fine. I also never

> charge a cancer patient. However, if I am treating pain only, I do charge.

>

>

>

> Hope this helps,

>

>

>

> Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

>

>

>

> Hope it helps

>

>

>

> > Chinese Traditional Medicine

>

> > naturaldoc1

>

> > Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:54:45 +0000

>

> > RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

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> >

>

> >

>

> > Aren't tumors in need of protein to grow and make tissue? Reminds me of

> macrobiotic successes with cancer, low protein (vegetable sources only, no

> animal).

>

> >

>

> > Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Chinese Medicine

>

> > RCVVMD

>

> > Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:47:03 -0400

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> > Re:herbs for bone cancer

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> > Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they

> biopsied these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and

> usually lung mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to

> us, they've already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment.

> CT's may/will show more definition than radiographs of course, and

> ultrasound at least of abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these are

> phenomenally painful neoplasias. For general info, see

> www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like formula

> and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis formula

> (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis, of

> course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and mobility

> support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and for quality of

> life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based, home cooked

> regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient, starve the

> tumor.!

>

> >

>

> >

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> > Good l.uck...

>

> >

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> > Robin Valentine

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Patricia,

Thanks for the info.

So, this is the first time I've heard that antioxidants should not be

supplemented during the herbal treatment....

Please elaborate on this.

 

Do you take the view that massage should not be given during cancer

treatment because of increased angiogenesis to the tumor site? What about

distal massage?

What does the research show on that subject?

 

What are your views on medical qi gong (practitioner given) ?

 

K

 

 

 

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Patricia Jordan <

coastalcatclinic wrote:

 

>

>

>

> Tumors have very inefficient use of energy to grow and so do best with

> sugar or carbs. Diets for cancer will not provide the cancer with easy

> energy. Dr. Wen at White Crane Herbals his practice is in Hampton, NY, he

> should be consulted for the dog with cancer. Dr. Wen has large cancer

> formulas of Chinese Herbs. Also most of our tumors are diagnosed off of

> their xray presentations, not with biopsies. Best not to touch or aggravate

> the tumor as that is all it needs to really take off aggressively! Also Dr.

> Wen will be very amadanat about no antioxidants while on herbal

> chemotherapy!

>

> Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

>

>

> > To:

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> > naturaldoc1 <naturaldoc1%40hotmail.com>

> > Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:54:45 +0000

> > RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

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> > Aren't tumors in need of protein to grow and make tissue? Reminds me of

> macrobiotic successes with cancer, low protein (vegetable sources only, no

> animal).

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> > Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

> >

> >

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> biopsied these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and

> usually lung mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to

> us, they've already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment.

> CT's may/will show more definition than radiographs of course, and

> ultrasound at least of abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these are

> phenomenally painful neoplasias. For general info, see

> www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like formula

> and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis formula

> (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis, of

> course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and mobility

> support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and for quality of

> life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based, home cooked

> regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient, starve the

> tumor.!

> >

> >

> >

> > Good l.uck...

> >

> >

> >

> > Robin Valentine

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hello to all.

I,m a vet working with TCM and started studyng oncology.

The main problem in an osteosarcoma is pain. Many times you have to

amputate the leg to control pain , so, for this, acupuncture is very

good , and you can improve and get longer life.

I also use antooxidants like vitamin E , C , A and fish oil ( omega 3).

In the diet , I add fruits and vegetables, to use theirs cold

properties to control toxic heat. Also increase the fat contents

because tumors do not use fat in their metabolism. Complex carboidrats

and simple proteins help the body to use the nutrients without loosing

it to the tumor.

I use to herbs in all dogs - Ganoderma lycidum and Monascus purpureus

, both of them part of the chinese pharmacopeia.

I do not use tonics to not tonify the tumor. Deppending on the body

conditions I use herbs that clear heat like Huang Lian jie Du Tang and

aometimes herbs to open the colateral vessels like Xiao Huo Luo Dan.

An ocidental medicine called " Pamidronate " ( I think this is the name

in english) also help with the pain control.

I have good results in improving life quality and prolonging life.

Sorry for my poor english.

Regards

Eduardo Lobo

 

2010/4/14 <johnkokko:

> Patricia,

> Thanks for the info.

> So, this is the first time I've heard that antioxidants should not be

> supplemented during the herbal treatment....

> Please elaborate on this.

>

> Do you take the view that massage should not be given during cancer

> treatment because of increased angiogenesis to the tumor site?   What about

> distal massage?

> What does the research show on that subject?

>

> What are your views on medical qi gong  (practitioner given) ?

>

> K

>

>

>

> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Patricia Jordan <

> coastalcatclinic wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>

>> Tumors have very inefficient use of energy to grow and so do best with

>> sugar or carbs. Diets for cancer will not provide the cancer with easy

>> energy. Dr. Wen at White Crane Herbals his practice is in Hampton, NY, he

>> should be consulted for the dog with cancer. Dr. Wen has large cancer

>> formulas of Chinese Herbs. Also most of our tumors are diagnosed off of

>> their xray presentations, not with biopsies. Best not to touch or aggravate

>> the tumor as that is all it needs to really take off aggressively! Also Dr.

>> Wen will be very amadanat about no antioxidants while on herbal

>> chemotherapy!

>>

>> Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

>>

>>

>> > To:

Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

>> > naturaldoc1 <naturaldoc1%40hotmail.com>

>> > Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:54:45 +0000

>> > RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

>>

>> >

>> >

>> > Aren't tumors in need of protein to grow and make tissue? Reminds me of

>> macrobiotic successes with cancer, low protein (vegetable sources only, no

>> animal).

>> >

>> > Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>> >

>> >

>> > To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

>> > RCVVMD <RCVVMD%40aol.com>

>> > Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:47:03 -0400

>> > Re:herbs for bone cancer

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Hi there....

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they

>> biopsied these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and

>> usually lung mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident to

>> us, they've already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the moment.

>> CT's may/will show more definition than radiographs of course, and

>> ultrasound at least of abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also these are

>> phenomenally painful neoplasias. For general info, see

>> www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like formula

>> and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis formula

>> (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis, of

>> course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and mobility

>> support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and for quality of

>> life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based, home cooked

>> regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient, starve the

>> tumor.!

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Good l.uck...

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Robin Valentine

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

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Hi there,

 

So, if I were diagnosing an *unusual case of *bilateral hindlimb bone lesions as

highly malignant osteosarcoma on X-rays alone, I would definitely have a boarded

radiologist on board with my diagnosis.  With OSA, unless the site is so

precarious as to risk a pathologic fracture with something as little as a bone

core biopsy punch, I'd try to biopsy it.  These cells are very evident even in a

small sample, and OSA is not one where we worry much about 'carcinomatosis' -

local spread to other tissues - because for one it isn't a carcinoma.  If it

were say a transitional cell carcinoma of the bladder or some such - surely no,

I wouldn't go sticking things in it.  It's a bad disease, get a definitive

diagnosis if possible...

 

No, sorry, don't understand the liver business unless it is patient pattern

related.  Diet:  these are dogs, not people, and as much as I do buy into  T.

Colin Campbell's material for people  (plant based, whole food diet, minimizing

fat and animal protein and dairy),  this is not for dogs.  I would stick by the

high quality protein based, low carb and esp. no processed/simple sugar carb

sources diet, and monitor body condition score and muscle mass for signs of

cancer cachexia.  Vit C comes to mind as a good prominent one, but high doses

 (how high??) of Vit D are pretty much effective as rat poison - cholecalciferol

- which does a good job of killing rats.   Toxic doses of vitamins and minerals

are oft markedly different between people, dogs, cats, etc.  We always go about

saying " Cats are NOT small dogs " to clients, and dogs are not hairy little

crawling people, either.

 

It's great that you are actively trying to find resources for these folks, and

make sure they are getting quality advice, whether it be conventional,

integrative, or TCVM.  It is an ugly disease, I'd want to be sure thats what the

dog has before treating as such.  The AP should at least help control pain....

 

I agree with Robert on pattern diagnosis- tx, not just treating the name on the

wrapper...   but did you look at the TCM formulas mentioned?  They are pretty

specific for bony tumors, which tend to be hot lesions.

 

Best,

 

Robin Valentine, VMD, PA

 

 

 

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I haven't noticed a post regarding system pH. We have a woman patient who " beat

cancer " by using baking soda in water to alkylize her system. She claims to

have helped many others do the same. There are books about this.

 

The idea is cancer and many other opportunistic (and undesireable) things thrive

in an acid environment, and our immune system works poorly in just such an

environment. Our immune system works well (as designed) in an alkyline

environment and cancer (etc.) do poorly in just such an environment.

 

Any other experiences out there regarding this old concept?

 

Mark Z

Chinese Medicine , " Mercurius Trismegistus "

<magisterium_magnum wrote:

>

> When did that get approved?

>

>

>

>

> -

> " Donald Snow " <don83407

> <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

> Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:48 AM

> RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

>

>

> >

> > A Rife device called the Beam Ray is now FDA approved for veterinary use

> > and it has a high efficacy in cancer treatment. It is now also FDA

> > approved as an experimental device for use on humans and I use it with

> > good results in my clinic.

> >

> >

> >

> > This device was invented by Royal Raymond Rife and you can google his name

> > and work.

> >

> >

> >

> > Hope this helps,

> >

> >

> >

> > Dr. Don J. Snow,

> >

> >

> >

> > Chinese Medicine

> > RCVVMD

> > Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:47:03 -0400

> > Re:herbs for bone cancer

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi there....

> >

> > Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they

> > biopsied these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and

> > usually lung mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are evident

> > to us, they've already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the

> > moment. CT's may/will show more definition than radiographs of course,

> > and ultrasound at least of abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also

> > these are phenomenally painful neoplasias. For general info, see

> > www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like formula

> > and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis

> > formula (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern diagnosis,

> > of course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and

> > mobility support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and

> > for quality of life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods based,

> > home cooked regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the patient,

> > starve the tumor.!

> >

> > Good l.uck...

> >

> > Robin Valentine

> >

> >

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This makes sense (alkaline diet) breaking down tumors

if we think about bitter herbs drying up phlegm.

Aren't most of the cancer herbs (toxic-heat category) cold and bitter?

Bitter herbs contain more alkaloids.

 

So, carbs (sugars) are acidic and can feed tumors (create more phlegm).

 

Meats and carbs generally create more acidity in the body,

while vegetables and most fruits create alkalinity in the body.

 

Most people are too acidic, prone to inflammation and chronic cellular

degeneration

Is this all correct?

 

Here's another perspective on pH

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/coral2.html

 

K

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 5:45 AM, zedbowls <zaranski wrote:

 

>

>

>

> I haven't noticed a post regarding system pH. We have a woman patient who

> " beat cancer " by using baking soda in water to alkylize her system. She

> claims to have helped many others do the same. There are books about this.

>

> The idea is cancer and many other opportunistic (and undesireable) things

> thrive in an acid environment, and our immune system works poorly in just

> such an environment. Our immune system works well (as designed) in an

> alkyline environment and cancer (etc.) do poorly in just such an

> environment.

>

> Any other experiences out there regarding this old concept?

>

> Mark Z

>

> --- In

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> " Mercurius Trismegistus " <magisterium_magnum wrote:

> >

> > When did that get approved?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > " Donald Snow " <don83407

> > To:

<Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\

oogroups.com>

> >

> > Tuesday, April 13, 2010 7:48 AM

> > RE: Re:herbs for bone cancer

> >

> >

> > >

> > > A Rife device called the Beam Ray is now FDA approved for veterinary

> use

> > > and it has a high efficacy in cancer treatment. It is now also FDA

> > > approved as an experimental device for use on humans and I use it with

> > > good results in my clinic.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > This device was invented by Royal Raymond Rife and you can google his

> name

> > > and work.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hope this helps,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dr. Don J. Snow,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> > > RCVVMD

>

> > > Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:47:03 -0400

> > > Re:herbs for bone cancer

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi there....

> > >

> > > Re. osteosarcoma in the dog: very unusual to be bilateral; have they

> > > biopsied these lesions? OSA is known for very quick micrometastasis and

>

> > > usually lung mets first. Usually by the time the bone tumors are

> evident

> > > to us, they've already metastasized, whether or not you see it at the

> > > moment. CT's may/will show more definition than radiographs of course,

> > > and ultrasound at least of abdomen for other mets abnormalities. Also

> > > these are phenomenally painful neoplasias. For general info, see

> > > www.veterinarypartners.com. I would be thinking of hoxsey-like formula

>

> > > and/or hoxsey-boneset formula, and/or Jing Tang Herbal's Bone Stasis

> > > formula (tcvmherbal.com). Also consider the dog's tcm pattern

> diagnosis,

> > > of course, in approaching a formula. AP will be helpful with pain and

> > > mobility support. Some use IV Vitamin C. Antioxidants are helpful, and

> > > for quality of life if nothing else, change diet to a whole foods

> based,

> > > home cooked regimen. Lowwww carb/ no grain if possible- feed the

> patient,

> > > starve the tumor.!

> > >

> > > Good l.uck...

> > >

> > > Robin Valentine

> > >

> > >

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